| 00:03.09 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03jupiter * r589 10docs/overview-presentation/presentation.tex: names |
| 00:11.51 | ChipX86 | done with screenshots! |
| 00:11.58 | ChipX86 | hopefully they won't be messed with |
| 00:13.00 | purple_cow | don't worry |
| 00:13.07 | purple_cow | after the conversion to .gif, they'll look great! |
| 00:13.10 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:13.14 | ChipX86 | they look so sexy right now |
| 00:13.32 | numist | no gif :( |
| 00:14.10 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r590 10docs/lib/figures/MediaCenter-uml.svg: Document width of 604pt! HOOHAH! |
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| 00:24.03 | ChipX86 | hmmmm yay, all sent and stuff |
| 00:24.08 | ChipX86 | time for the very late status report |
| 00:25.07 | laodamas | http://www.fishbowl.com/clt/qdb/pc/200510/1/cpn/coupon158.htm |
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| 01:00.39 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ping |
| 01:00.59 | scanlime | hm? |
| 01:01.05 | ChipX86 | have you visited the desert bar yet? |
| 01:01.05 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 01:01.08 | purple_cow | the new fspot thing is cool |
| 01:01.10 | ChipX86 | er, dessert |
| 01:01.15 | ChipX86 | I'm wondering if I should bother going in or not |
| 01:01.19 | scanlime | there's dessert today? |
| 01:01.31 | scanlime | oh, I see |
| 01:01.37 | scanlime | nope, haven't been down there yet |
| 01:01.40 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 01:01.48 | scanlime | but I have this trace running near real-time :) |
| 01:01.52 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 01:02.01 | scanlime | where near == same power of 10 |
| 01:02.14 | ChipX86 | hmm, could take a taxi right now and be there and do gaming |
| 01:02.21 | ChipX86 | now that all this crap is taken care of |
| 01:02.22 | scanlime | oh, you're still at home |
| 01:02.24 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:02.32 | ChipX86 | what was supposed to be a 1-2 hour project took all day |
| 01:02.37 | ChipX86 | and it couldn't be done at work :( |
| 01:07.04 | purple_cow | oh no! |
| 01:07.09 | purple_cow | i don't have ddd on kirby |
| 01:12.05 | scanlime | wow, good job windows... |
| 01:12.15 | scanlime | I unplug the flash disk I'm playing an MP3 from, it gives me the best error ever |
| 01:12.18 | ChipX86 | meh not worth coming in |
| 01:12.29 | scanlime | "The volume for a file has been externally altered so that the opened file is no longer valid." |
| 01:12.36 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:12.50 | scanlime | that sure beats the pants off "No such device" or "I/O error" |
| 01:13.31 | ChipX86 | I think it should just say, "Where'd the file go?" |
| 01:13.43 | scanlime | s/file/cheese/ |
| 01:17.36 | purple_cow | I dunno! |
| 01:18.10 | scanlime | hmm |
| 01:18.19 | scanlime | I should leave this running over the weekend to make sure its buffers don't overflow |
| 01:26.53 | darth_mall | what to have for dinner... |
| 01:30.10 | purple_cow | hmm, dinner |
| 01:30.23 | ChipX86 | "The fact is plain and simple KDE is the most popular Linux desktop amoung user's. As a developer I can tell you that it's true C++ API is a developer's dream." |
| 01:30.41 | numist | ... |
| 01:30.43 | numist | is that so |
| 01:30.50 | ChipX86 | it's a fact! |
| 01:33.00 | darth_mall | purple_cow: what do I want for dinner? |
| 01:34.56 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9283 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/fe-gnome.c: work around perl crasher by autoloading plugins as soon as the first session is created, not on init |
| 01:36.14 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): inferted pyramids |
| 01:36.44 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt: notes for drawing the ground |
| 01:37.53 | ChipX86 | hmmm, chinese |
| 01:38.23 | purple_cow | hmmm, chinese |
| 01:38.51 | darth_mall | purple_cow: we use to order from Sam's didn't we? |
| 01:39.02 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i like sam's |
| 01:39.07 | purple_cow | it's pick-up or dine-in only though |
| 01:39.14 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 01:39.21 | darth_mall | but they're not that far from me |
| 01:40.24 | purple_cow | alternatively |
| 01:40.37 | purple_cow | we could get something nifty from the video station, drag lurgy over to my place, and order from moongate |
| 01:40.58 | darth_mall | lurgy said something about a concert |
| 01:41.06 | darth_mall | for confo |
| 01:41.09 | darth_mall | erm... convo |
| 01:41.34 | purple_cow | bad lurgy! |
| 01:42.44 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 01:42.46 | darth_mall | he is bad |
| 01:54.32 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9284 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (plugins.c plugins.h preferences-page-plugins.c): more somewhat-messy code. split plugin auto-loading into two passes |
| 01:55.13 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9285 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ChangeLog: never hurts to mention bug fixes here |
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| 01:59.47 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r591 10docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Made some changes to make setting the presenter have nicer syntax. |
| 02:02.06 | darth_mall | hrm... what to have for dinner... |
| 02:02.12 | ChipX86 | owls? |
| 02:02.28 | darth_mall | ooh |
| 02:02.29 | darth_mall | owls |
| 02:04.43 | scanlime | beers |
| 02:04.46 | scanlime | and owls |
| 02:04.49 | scanlime | a perfect dinner |
| 02:08.45 | scanlime | purple_cow: yay, itinerary |
| 02:09.09 | numist | yay leftover fried rice |
| 02:09.13 | numist | and fresh loose-leaf green tea |
| 02:09.17 | darth_mall | hrm... |
| 02:09.19 | numist | oh man did I score today at the store |
| 02:11.56 | darth_mall | hrm... to call Sam's or Silvermine... |
| 02:16.59 | ChipX86 | I don't want trinity to be a server anymore. Too many bittorrent connections running everyday on that DSL line.. |
| 02:17.50 | ChipX86 | they need to reach the PC market, where there isn't a ton of firewire users |
| 02:21.25 | scanlime | firewire was always a silly protocol for storage devices :P |
| 02:21.40 | scanlime | firewire's good for video |
| 02:21.43 | scanlime | and... well... video |
| 02:21.54 | ChipX86 | also, video |
| 02:22.05 | scanlime | and it's pretty nice if you want to transfer video and video at the same time |
| 02:22.14 | rioter | mmm |
| 02:22.18 | ChipX86 | you could always use video as a filesystem |
| 02:22.23 | rioter | my bios wont boot if i have my ipod plugged in on boot :( |
| 02:22.24 | scanlime | =D |
| 02:22.35 | scanlime | ipod usb is kinda buggy :P |
| 02:22.54 | rioter | and slow :( |
| 02:22.58 | rioter | have it in a usb 2.0 drive |
| 02:23.01 | rioter | bah port |
| 02:23.09 | rioter | and its taken over an hour to transfer 700 songs |
| 02:23.37 | scanlime | uh. maybe there's something wrong with your computer |
| 02:23.49 | rioter | transfers between my pda are fine |
| 02:24.36 | scanlime | obviously you need a USB timing analyzer |
| 02:24.46 | scanlime | every home should have one |
| 02:25.04 | ChipX86 | mine sure does |
| 02:25.17 | numist | anyone reccomend/disparage against Sabrent? |
| 02:25.26 | ChipX86 | I hate Sabrent. They killed my father. |
| 02:25.30 | ChipX86 | who's Sabrent? |
| 02:25.35 | scanlime | prepare to die! |
| 02:25.38 | numist | PCI IDE conrtoller |
| 02:25.43 | numist | but with proper spelling |
| 02:25.47 | scanlime | yay, CRM 114 |
| 02:26.00 | scanlime | hmm |
| 02:30.49 | ChipX86 | I love mediawiki |
| 02:32.54 | ChipX86 | wow, that was wierd |
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| 02:33.39 | ChipX86 | just got done writing a wiki page on something for Freenode Radio that I made, and a guy IM'd me asking if I was the guy who was on Freenode Radio |
| 02:33.55 | scanlime | hah |
| 02:34.03 | scanlime | that seems like so long ago.. |
| 02:34.07 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:34.09 | ChipX86 | I miss those days |
| 02:34.11 | ChipX86 | kind of |
| 02:34.51 | ChipX86 | FNR wasn't executed very well, but the concept was fun for me. At the beginning anyway. Then it turned kinda ugly over time |
| 02:35.04 | ChipX86 | like most things :) |
| 02:35.37 | scanlime | well, FNR was kinda fun |
| 02:35.55 | scanlime | I guess I just don't miss the rest of my life from that time period |
| 02:36.15 | ChipX86 | ah. Nod. |
| 02:36.25 | ChipX86 | I don't either really. Stressful times |
| 02:36.26 | scanlime | hehe... "I had your car towed all the way to your house and all you have for me is light beer?" |
| 02:36.50 | ChipX86 | I gotta admit, AOL has a few amusing commercials |
| 02:37.17 | ChipX86 | you guys use urxvt, right? |
| 02:37.39 | ChipX86 | do you use transparency at all? |
| 02:37.54 | scanlime | not in a long time |
| 02:38.08 | ChipX86 | it seems very broken with metacity. I'm curious if it's just me |
| 02:38.52 | scanlime | hmm |
| 02:39.02 | scanlime | the window border disappears while moving it? |
| 02:39.05 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 02:39.10 | scanlime | not just you then :) |
| 02:39.13 | ChipX86 | interesting |
| 02:39.19 | scanlime | I bet urxvt just doesn't like shaped windows |
| 02:39.26 | ChipX86 | possibly |
| 02:40.21 | scanlime | I like gnome-terminal, it's just soooo slow |
| 02:40.33 | ChipX86 | the tabs intercept my alt-# that I use for vim |
| 02:40.47 | scanlime | heh |
| 02:41.14 | scanlime | ah well. I'm used to non-antialiasey fonts in my emacs.. |
| 02:41.36 | ChipX86 | there's work being done on profiling gnome-terminal |
| 02:41.42 | ChipX86 | hopefully something will come of it |
| 02:47.31 | ChipX86 | I thought programs couldn't affect their window border in that way |
| 02:51.06 | ChipX86 | wow, talking to Eric Warmenhoven. Haven't talked to this guy in ages |
| 03:02.35 | scanlime | _fidtool.c:650: warning: `const' attribute does not apply to types |
| 03:02.35 | scanlime | _fidtool.c:650: warning: `const' attribute ignored |
| 03:02.36 | scanlime | huh |
| 03:02.40 | scanlime | never seen that one before |
| 03:02.43 | ChipX86 | hmm yeah |
| 03:02.46 | ChipX86 | what's the line? |
| 03:03.09 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.17 | scanlime | where FILE_MAGIC is #define'd as a string constant |
| 03:03.30 | scanlime | fence is an unsigned char*, p is an unsigned char** |
| 03:03.40 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 03:03.59 | scanlime | kinda :) |
| 03:04.15 | pagefault | hey file |
| 03:06.43 | scanlime | and wine? |
| 03:07.04 | purple_cow | no |
| 03:09.21 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 03:22.13 | scanlime | why doesn't Py_BuildValue() work with long long? |
| 03:23.18 | scanlime | oh, there it is.. was looking at old documentation |
| 03:32.57 | purple_cow | haha, billy shatner in bright red tights, showing off his judo skillz |
| 03:40.41 | purple_cow | "mister spock, are you getting any readings on your instruments?" "yes sir, there's a tiger, tiger burning bright..." |
| 03:52.14 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2302 10libnotify/NEWS: Reference the bug number for the notify-send fix. |
| 04:19.04 | scanlime | dapper? |
| 04:19.29 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:20.21 | scanlime | ubunto.org is taken, but ubanto appears to be available |
| 04:23.03 | purple_cow | hehe, ubanto |
| 04:28.10 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:28.20 | hardwire | beagle.. |
| 04:41.31 | scanlime | I love finding language features that are really cool but I have absolutely no use for |
| 04:41.58 | scanlime | in Python, the StopIteration exception can be subclassed |
| 04:42.40 | scanlime | so you can make a sequence-like object that not only tells you that you've reached the end, but why |
| 04:46.40 | purple_cow | cool |
| 04:47.13 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9286 10fidtool/_fidtool.c: Add a header to the first L1 page, identifying the format version and page size. Return both sample and sample index when performing a set of seek queries. |
| 04:53.44 | ChipX86 | asp.net: GetParentNodeRelativeToCurrentNodeAndHintDownFromParent |
| 04:54.06 | scanlime | hah |
| 04:54.47 | rioter | ChipX86 haha should see some of the DX9 functions |
| 04:55.16 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 05:00.51 | scanlime | all the kids in the future wear their pants inside out |
| 05:03.19 | purple_cow | it always amazes me what qualifies as required reading at starfleet academy |
| 05:06.08 | scanlime | hehe |
| 05:40.30 | purple_cow | haha, kirk is kiss-testing the android |
| 05:40.37 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:49.09 | purple_cow | it's a good thing androids are so logical |
| 05:49.18 | purple_cow | "...love you...kiss! <phaser zap>" |
| 06:01.39 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:10.38 | purple_cow | i guess jim kirk is terrified of elevators |
| 06:10.56 | purple_cow | it started moving, and he grabbed the woman and held her so terribly close... |
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| 06:43.48 | purple_cow | "Not *the* Earth! Another Earth!" |
| 06:53.13 | lurgy | ^_^ |
| 06:53.59 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r592 10docs/lib/figures/ (4 files): Prettified the diagrams a little more. |
| 06:54.50 | purple_cow | oh, guh |
| 06:55.09 | scanlime | I agree |
| 06:55.10 | purple_cow | i think this is one of those episodes with groups of kids chanting |
| 06:58.57 | purple_cow | "You can help us best by clearing the computer banks and standing by!" |
| 06:59.41 | scanlime | why does libpng insist on longjmp()? |
| 07:00.31 | scanlime | I mean, longjmp() is pretty sweet, as far as methods of hosing your stack go... |
| 07:01.13 | purple_cow | yay, hose |
| 07:06.09 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r593 10docs/overview-presentation/figures/Context-uml.svg: Fixed up one of the drawings for the presentation. |
| 07:06.28 | file[laptop] | hrm |
| 07:06.34 | file[laptop] | vodka+redbull=yay |
| 07:08.31 | scanlime | heh.. someday I'll try that.. but I have neither of the required ingredients :P |
| 07:09.05 | darth_mall | hrm |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r594 10docs/overview-presentation/figures/MediaCenter-uml.svg: Fixed another diagram up. |
| 07:12.06 | file[laptop] | scanlime: it's good for fending off sleepyness temporarily |
| 07:12.50 | scanlime | uh... vodka good for fending off sleepyness? |
| 07:13.05 | file[laptop] | the redbull kicks in |
| 07:13.11 | file[laptop] | anyway, overall good |
| 07:13.14 | scanlime | heh |
| 07:13.22 | *** part/#tacobeam purple_cow (n=david@zero.navi.cx) |
| 07:13.30 | scanlime | yes.. you should be sleep-deprived *and* mixing stimulants with depressants |
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| 07:13.36 | scanlime | if you really want the best effect... |
| 07:13.40 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 07:13.46 | file[laptop] | exactly |
| 07:14.20 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 07:15.26 | ChipX86 | commercial with a girl all happy saying what she does to break up with her husband. ".. And the last thing I do is delete him from my phone. My phone asks, 'Are you sure?' and I say yes, yes I'm very sure *laughter*" Fade out... White screen: "Nokia: Connecting People" |
| 07:15.39 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r595 10docs/overview-presentation/figures/Menu-uml.svg: Might as well just copy this over again, since it hasn't yet been modified. |
| 07:16.00 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r596 10docs/requirements/: hush |
| 07:17.34 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9287 10fidtool/ (_fidtool.c setup.py test.py): |
| 07:17.34 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: Implemented the glue necessary to safely use libpng with python. Libpng errors |
| 07:17.34 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: turn into Python exceptions, libpng I/O is directed to any python file-like |
| 07:17.35 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: object, and exceptions from the file-like object are propagated out past libpng |
| 07:17.35 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: into the caller. |
| 07:19.33 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r597 10docs/overview-presentation/figures/Menu-uml.svg: That should simplify the menu diagram enough. |
| 07:20.07 | purple_cow | It could be a beaker full of death! |
| 07:20.36 | scanlime | purple_cow: the chances are equally good that it's an emperor |
| 07:23.51 | purple_cow | NO BLAH BLAH BLAH! |
| 07:25.29 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 07:25.39 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:36.25 | CIA-11 | smrt: 03evan * r598 10docs/overview-presentation/presentation.tex: Rotate the image because of craziness. |
| 07:48.08 | purple_cow | yay craziness |
| 07:49.25 | scanlime | "100 years ago? that's this year!" |
| 07:53.10 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9288 10fidtool/ (_fidtool.c test.py): |
| 07:53.10 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: Add a thin buffering layer between libpng and the Python file-like object to |
| 07:53.10 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: avoid jillions of little 2 to 8 byte or so write()s. Now we just end up with one |
| 07:53.11 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: or more large writes for image data, one for headers, one for footers. |
| 07:56.40 | purple_cow | "tell me about the women of your world, captain" |
| 07:56.40 | scanlime | hah |
| 07:56.59 | scanlime | so I found a nice pathological case where .gz.gz is significantly better than .gz |
| 07:57.19 | purple_cow | haha |
| 07:57.30 | ChipX86 | hah, nice. How? |
| 07:57.35 | scanlime | what's really odd is that the .gz is almost all zeroes |
| 07:57.56 | scanlime | so, it's a PNG... 256x12800 pixels |
| 07:58.06 | scanlime | and every row of pixels are the same |
| 07:58.15 | scanlime | the PNG data is gzipped |
| 07:58.19 | scanlime | and it's almost all zero |
| 07:58.27 | scanlime | the .png is 6643 bytes |
| 07:58.35 | scanlime | .png.gz is 316 bytes |
| 07:59.10 | purple_cow | awesome |
| 08:00.28 | scanlime | wow, gzip is taking its time |
| 08:01.24 | purple_cow | urgh, michelle nichols was such a bad singer |
| 08:01.29 | purple_cow | not as bad as shatner, but close |
| 08:01.32 | scanlime | hah |
| 08:01.36 | purple_cow | and they had her sing so much :P |
| 08:01.48 | scanlime | .png: 605116 bytes, .png.gz: 5906 bytes |
| 08:01.51 | ChipX86 | woot |
| 08:02.01 | ChipX86 | look at Galago being #4 on jdub's "The New Hotness" list |
| 08:02.28 | purple_cow | :) |
| 08:02.55 | scanlime | nice |
| 08:03.27 | ChipX86 | and speaking of galago... |
| 08:07.21 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 08:07.23 | purple_cow | double red alert! |
| 08:07.33 | purple_cow | the klaxon isn't going at double speed :( |
| 08:10.35 | ChipX86 | wish I had some clue as to where I left off in this program |
| 08:11.26 | scanlime | TIM? |
| 08:11.31 | ChipX86 | libgalago |
| 08:11.36 | ChipX86 | and the restructuring |
| 08:11.42 | ChipX86 | s/program/library/ |
| 08:12.03 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 08:12.24 | purple_cow | interview with sean egan on osnews ;) |
| 08:12.39 | darth_mall | what the hell... why is gimp only drawing in grayscale |
| 08:13.30 | purple_cow | is the image greyscale? |
| 08:13.38 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yep |
| 08:13.44 | ChipX86 | Eugenia IM'd me to tell me ;) |
| 08:14.38 | purple_cow | ``GStreamer and Mediastreamer share very similar architectures, so it shouldn't take too much effort to switch between the two.'' |
| 08:14.40 | purple_cow | that's hilarious |
| 08:17.17 | ChipX86 | Sean's an expert. You should believe everything he says |
| 08:19.23 | purple_cow | just like all those experts (maybe it was one in disguise) who were telling us how easy it would be to switch xchat-gnome over to the irssi core |
| 08:19.39 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:28.50 | purple_cow | huh |
| 08:29.21 | scanlime | wow |
| 08:29.28 | purple_cow | i suppose i could go back to some of that old stuff |
| 08:29.33 | purple_cow | but that all seems so passe |
| 08:29.44 | scanlime | how old is old in this case? |
| 08:29.45 | ChipX86 | I have stuff you could do |
| 08:30.42 | purple_cow | scanlime: bzedit? |
| 08:30.50 | purple_cow | does anybody need any sexy widgets written? |
| 08:31.38 | ChipX86 | been thinking about stuff like that |
| 08:31.45 | ChipX86 | wondering what would be good to write |
| 08:33.22 | scanlime | purple_cow: mi6k? |
| 08:33.41 | purple_cow | scanlime: yeah, yeah |
| 08:33.48 | scanlime | duck hunt! |
| 08:33.52 | purple_cow | poking through electronics catalogs to find the right parts is less fun than writing code |
| 08:33.56 | purple_cow | hah |
| 08:34.52 | scanlime | =D |
| 08:35.09 | ChipX86 | if it can be done well, it'd rock |
| 08:35.41 | scanlime | I think that all of gnome-canvas's problems can be traced back to the fact that it wasn't designed to do anything but run their single demo app |
| 08:36.22 | purple_cow | problem is, it's been so long since i used gnome-canvas that i can't remember what the problems are with it |
| 08:36.44 | scanlime | biggest one I've found is that its collision detection is crap :) |
| 08:37.13 | purple_cow | explain |
| 08:37.15 | ChipX86 | there are often issues with retrieving the size/position of canvas items properly |
| 08:37.33 | scanlime | purple_cow: it has one function- you give it an (x,y) coordinate, it gives you a widget or NULL |
| 08:37.46 | scanlime | purple_cow: that itself is kinda limiting, but it also isn't very accurate |
| 08:38.02 | scanlime | I'd prefer an interface that lets me define an arbitrary shape and retrieve a list of items that overlap with that shape |
| 08:38.15 | scanlime | it could be a point, if you're using it to test against the mouse cursor |
| 08:38.18 | ChipX86 | heh I want that for taco right now :P |
| 08:38.30 | scanlime | or it could be something more complex if you want real collision detection for a game or for doing visual layout |
| 08:38.44 | scanlime | I ended up writing my own collision detection (both for layout and for mouse interaction!) for vusb-analyzer |
| 08:38.51 | scanlime | just because gnome-canvas was so inaccurate |
| 08:40.41 | scanlime | oh, gnome-canvas's event handling was also giving me trouble |
| 08:41.05 | scanlime | there's no way for a canvas item to get most events unless it's grabbing the cursor |
| 08:41.22 | scanlime | I was trying to make an interface where any item under the cursor while the mouse is down gets hilighted |
| 08:41.34 | scanlime | so you can 'sweep' the cursor through a field of objects and they hilight as you go |
| 08:41.47 | scanlime | but gnome-canvas insists on grabbing the mouse on whatever item you initially click |
| 08:41.58 | scanlime | it's like they designed that only with their little drag-widgets-around-app in mind |
| 08:42.27 | scanlime | their centering mode is kinda silly, and just convolutes the way it handles scrolling |
| 08:42.43 | scanlime | oh.. and one feature that I would absolutely love |
| 08:42.53 | scanlime | something like an 'expose' event, but at a scene graph level |
| 08:43.01 | scanlime | for geometry generated on-the-fly |
| 08:43.28 | scanlime | the canvas could tell you "region X is now potentially-visible, I want geometry for it".. then you go and generate any scene nodes that may now be potentially visible |
| 08:43.45 | scanlime | that would make it possible to use a canvas to draw datasets you really don't want to keep entirely in RAM |
| 08:43.58 | scanlime | a really simple example of that would be a ruler on the side of a document |
| 08:44.30 | scanlime | traditionally that's something you'd have to render at a lower level- since you really don't want to decide how big the document is beforehand then pre-draw everything that the ruler may show |
| 08:44.49 | scanlime | but an on-demand canvas rendering interface like this would let you implement widgets like that at a much higher level |
| 08:45.02 | scanlime | would be a Good Thing for most visualization applications too |
| 08:45.11 | scanlime | like filesystem browsers.. USB debuggers... :) |
| 08:45.21 | scanlime | </rambly> |
| 08:46.14 | ChipX86 | and make it use cairo! |
| 08:46.24 | purple_cow | ChipX86: naturally |
| 08:46.35 | scanlime | oh |
| 08:46.37 | scanlime | another gripe |
| 08:46.46 | scanlime | purple_cow: be very pedantic in how you define the coordinate system |
| 08:46.50 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 08:46.55 | scanlime | otherwise the distinction between pixel edges and pixel centers will bite you |
| 08:47.28 | purple_cow | good point |
| 08:47.30 | scanlime | and allow separate transforms for different aspects of the same objects |
| 08:47.51 | scanlime | I'd love it if I could give it one matrix for X/Y scale, one for scaling text, one for scaling outlines |
| 08:48.07 | scanlime | gnome-canvas just assumes you want to scale everything evenly |
| 08:48.11 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 08:48.16 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 08:48.18 | ChipX86 | I'd love to be able to specify pixels for some things |
| 08:48.19 | scanlime | on a drawing program that often makes sense, but when you're visualizing something it usually doesn't |
| 08:48.22 | scanlime | yes |
| 08:48.24 | scanlime | in fact... |
| 08:48.28 | ChipX86 | like this thing is this object's offset + 5 pixels |
| 08:48.32 | ChipX86 | that bit me hard in tickypip |
| 08:48.35 | scanlime | i'd suggest just making units a more complex data type |
| 08:48.50 | scanlime | so.. the user defines units of "pixels", "seconds", and "rows" for example |
| 08:49.09 | scanlime | then they say this box is at 4.5 seconds minus 5 pixels horizontally, and 3 rows vertically |
| 08:49.19 | ChipX86 | hmmm interesting |
| 08:49.21 | scanlime | you change the size of a "second", and all terms that depend on that resize |
| 08:49.33 | scanlime | this is pretty much what I had to implement manually in vusb-analyzer to do zooming |
| 08:49.47 | scanlime | but implemented in a more efficient general way it could be super-powerful |
| 08:49.57 | ChipX86 | do focusing right |
| 08:50.20 | scanlime | more importantly, don't define what "right" is.. let the application decide if it wants :P |
| 08:50.40 | purple_cow | more detail on that? |
| 08:50.41 | ChipX86 | well, provide some kind of default that would generally work, but let the calling program override |
| 08:51.05 | ChipX86 | so at work, we're doing something on a canvas where we have lots of these groups and icons in each one |
| 08:51.25 | ChipX86 | it would be great if pressing right would be able to easily focus the item to the right of it in the group |
| 08:51.37 | darth_mall | hehe... I think the chances of us having Babar in our presentation are greatly increased |
| 08:51.42 | purple_cow | darth_mall: ? |
| 08:52.02 | ChipX86 | I'd like parts of the canvas to work much like widgets |
| 08:52.08 | ChipX86 | but not be forced into that model |
| 08:52.09 | darth_mall | I think I can get a nice color image of Babar for the presentation |
| 08:53.06 | scanlime | ChipX86: well, it would make sense if there were a widget-like object that you could plug into the canvas scene graph, to handle events in a widget-like way |
| 08:53.20 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 08:53.29 | ChipX86 | and have it work as a group containing other canvas items |
| 08:53.30 | scanlime | but that widget-like thing would just be for events and other behaviour |
| 08:53.31 | scanlime | yes |
| 08:53.40 | scanlime | normal canvas items wouldn't have any event-handling capability |
| 08:53.58 | ChipX86 | right |
| 08:56.04 | purple_cow | http://wiki.chipx86.com/wiki/SexyCanvasDiscussion ;-) |
| 08:56.08 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 08:56.09 | purple_cow | have fun, guys |
| 08:56.13 | ChipX86 | I was about to suggest that |
| 08:56.41 | purple_cow | pretty terrible organization right now, but that's OK |
| 08:56.47 | purple_cow | needs everything from your focus stuff down |
| 08:57.23 | scanlime | :) |
| 08:57.26 | scanlime | I should play with evas |
| 08:57.29 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 08:57.39 | ChipX86 | I'll write up some stuff once I sort it out a bit more in my mind :) |
| 08:57.45 | scanlime | me too |
| 08:58.22 | purple_cow | hurray! |
| 08:58.26 | purple_cow | now, aside from that |
| 08:58.33 | purple_cow | does anyone need any sexy widgets written? |
| 08:58.44 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 08:58.46 | scanlime | and actually... I really like the idea of making the canvas split into a model and view, like gtktreeview already is |
| 08:58.50 | ChipX86 | I just don't know what yet |
| 08:59.02 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I do too, *if* it's optional |
| 08:59.06 | scanlime | ehh |
| 08:59.09 | scanlime | why optional? |
| 08:59.18 | ChipX86 | because I don't want to come up with some crazy model for taco |
| 08:59.29 | scanlime | this would be just like the gtktreeview case, right- you include a sane default model (gtkliststore, etc) |
| 08:59.43 | scanlime | but you can implement the model from scratch if your application demands more complex data storage |
| 09:00.13 | ChipX86 | I really don't think a model should be required. I'd want to be able to just plop things down on the canvas where I see fit if I choose |
| 09:00.19 | scanlime | heh |
| 09:00.21 | scanlime | you're missing the point |
| 09:00.25 | scanlime | you plop things down on the model |
| 09:00.27 | scanlime | the canvas renders that |
| 09:00.49 | scanlime | it would include a ploppable model that's easy to use, but just stores everything in RAM at once |
| 09:00.59 | scanlime | but if you want, you could write a model that loads data on-demand from disk |
| 09:01.13 | scanlime | let's say you want to use a canvas to visualize your filesystem |
| 09:01.17 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 09:01.21 | scanlime | you don't want to crawl the whole disk and write that all to a scene graph |
| 09:01.24 | purple_cow | SexyCanvasPloppableModel |
| 09:01.29 | ChipX86 | haha :) |
| 09:01.32 | scanlime | you want it to ask you for more scene pieces as they become necessary |
| 09:01.33 | scanlime | :) |
| 09:01.37 | ChipX86 | scanlime: nod, makes sense |
| 09:01.51 | scanlime | so really, you'd have an interface all models expose that the view would use |
| 09:02.01 | scanlime | but then you'd have, say, a Ploppable (or in-memory :P) model that you could just add nodes to |
| 09:02.04 | scanlime | hmmmmmm |
| 09:02.10 | scanlime | you could also do neat filtering applications with that |
| 09:02.14 | scanlime | hell, you could do portal rendering |
| 09:02.58 | scanlime | hmm |
| 09:03.02 | scanlime | too hungry for fidtool |
| 09:03.38 | purple_cow | obviously you need to be assigning fids to the contents of your fridge |
| 09:03.49 | purple_cow | that way you can keep a running tally of what food you have, thus eliminating rummaging! |
| 09:03.54 | scanlime | :) |
| 09:04.19 | ChipX86 | I find it sad that neither gimp nor inkscape has made a public canvas widget |
| 09:04.31 | scanlime | I don't want gimp or inkscape's canvas |
| 09:04.36 | scanlime | they're way too app-specific |
| 09:04.41 | ChipX86 | in the same way that it's sad that abiword hasn't created a public widget |
| 09:04.58 | scanlime | inkscape's widget would be great if I wanted to make an SVG viewer or editor |
| 09:05.05 | ChipX86 | well, ideally, people would have some sane base canvas widget that people could build on |
| 09:05.16 | ChipX86 | we don't have that today, so everyone writes their own or works around hacks in existing ones |
| 09:05.24 | scanlime | yes |
| 09:05.35 | ChipX86 | I would rather have the option to use the gimp or inkscape widget than the gnomecanvas one |
| 09:05.37 | scanlime | a truly general scene graph is hard |
| 09:05.43 | scanlime | that's why Fresco was such a joke ;) |
| 09:05.45 | ChipX86 | even if it doesn't apply to all areas |
| 09:05.56 | scanlime | true |
| 09:06.00 | scanlime | it's not hard to improve on gnomecanvas |
| 09:06.11 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, that, and the openlook nonsense, and their preoccupation with color spaces |
| 09:06.15 | ChipX86 | step 1) rm -rf gnomecanvas |
| 09:06.17 | scanlime | hehe |
| 09:06.43 | scanlime | purple_cow: obviously your first step in implementing sexycanvas should be adding CIE LAB color to Xorg |
| 09:06.50 | purple_cow | haha |
| 09:07.07 | purple_cow | rgb is for pussies |
| 09:07.19 | scanlime | even sRGB? |
| 09:10.33 | scanlime | bump? |
| 09:10.46 | ChipX86 | we're using 2.4. After 5.5, we want to bump it up to a new version |
| 09:10.56 | ChipX86 | we know 2.6 is safe enough. We're contemplating 2.8, which I'm pushing for |
| 09:11.05 | scanlime | ah. you should make it your top priority to embed everything into the titlebar for ws6 |
| 09:11.12 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 09:11.17 | ChipX86 | so we can be as cool as the Windows Player |
| 09:11.21 | scanlime | yep |
| 09:11.22 | scanlime | or ACE |
| 09:11.24 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:11.33 | ChipX86 | we're sane in the Linux UI team. Well, most of us |
| 09:11.48 | scanlime | just wait til purple_cow is hired, you won't be able to say that |
| 09:11.52 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:12.16 | ChipX86 | we need office space so bad. purple_cow may get a cube for now :( |
| 09:12.39 | scanlime | nooo |
| 09:12.40 | scanlime | well |
| 09:12.47 | scanlime | by the time he starts, we should at least have that one new building, right? |
| 09:12.48 | ChipX86 | until we force all business people out of Porter |
| 09:12.52 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 09:13.00 | ChipX86 | guess it'll be okay |
| 09:13.04 | ChipX86 | depending on our growth rate |
| 09:13.07 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 09:13.10 | ChipX86 | 4 |
| 09:13.12 | ChipX86 | soon 5 |
| 09:13.20 | ChipX86 | possibly soon 6 |
| 09:13.26 | ChipX86 | and then the campus |
| 09:13.30 | scanlime | nod |
| 09:13.46 | ChipX86 | man, the company was small when I joined compared to how it is now |
| 09:13.58 | ChipX86 | it's weird knowing that I've been there longer than almost half the company :) |
| 09:14.08 | ChipX86 | definitely longer than half my team |
| 09:14.08 | scanlime | hehe |
| 09:14.22 | scanlime | well... if you take USB.... |
| 09:14.34 | scanlime | we have I guess 3 people working full-time on USB now |
| 09:14.47 | scanlime | another guy working on it occasionally |
| 09:15.04 | scanlime | before I joined, that was just chris full-time, plus dustin |
| 09:15.17 | scanlime | I think dustin's been buried in MKS bugs lately :( |
| 09:15.29 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 09:15.34 | scanlime | but, the crazy ideas are flowing all around for ws6 now |
| 09:15.49 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:15.53 | scanlime | Chris has his little Hazard Centre Inhibitor... |
| 09:15.53 | ChipX86 | top secret ideas |
| 09:16.07 | scanlime | yes |
| 09:16.14 | scanlime | even.. top secret code cleanup! |
| 09:16.18 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:16.39 | ChipX86 | seriously though, 6 is going to rock |
| 09:16.40 | scanlime | I still don't really know what to make of our newest guy, Patrick |
| 09:16.47 | ChipX86 | it'll make 5.5 look like crap, which makes 5 look like crap |
| 09:16.50 | scanlime | hehe, yes |
| 09:16.59 | scanlime | but that's the point |
| 09:16.59 | ChipX86 | Patrick? |
| 09:17.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 09:17.04 | scanlime | we deserve to look like crap ;) |
| 09:17.18 | scanlime | Patrick Chui (sp?).. the newest guy on USB |
| 09:17.35 | scanlime | mostly doing windows driver cleanup so far |
| 09:17.58 | scanlime | seems like a nice guy, but he really doesn't talk much |
| 09:18.02 | scanlime | smiles a lot |
| 09:18.09 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 09:21.08 | purple_cow | scanlime: no |
| 09:22.41 | ChipX86 | I so want to commit this massive piece of breakage, but I suppose I should make everything work with it first |
| 09:29.32 | ChipX86 | "Man applying for job at police department arrested for arson during his interview. That could hurt his chances" |
| 09:29.56 | scanlime | hah |
| 09:31.30 | ChipX86 | I would love to find some solution for the noisy t43p fan |
| 09:31.36 | ChipX86 | aside from that, I'm happy with this laptop |
| 09:31.51 | scanlime | wire cutters |
| 09:33.17 | purple_cow | ear plugs |
| 09:33.25 | scanlime | speakers |
| 09:33.35 | purple_cow | brain surgery! |
| 09:33.52 | scanlime | a pangalactic gargleblaster |
| 09:36.13 | ChipX86 | I get the most amazingly crappy 3D graphics acceleration on this laptop |
| 09:36.18 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 09:36.23 | ChipX86 | I wonder what I messed up |
| 09:38.42 | ChipX86 | maybe that's related to the fan issue |
| 10:03.51 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yay :) |
| 10:04.08 | ChipX86 | having the fglrx kernel driver match the xorg driver really kinda helps :P |
| 10:04.20 | ChipX86 | also, yay for the ATI installer having an option to generate Ubuntu Breezy debs :) |
| 10:05.32 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 10:05.40 | ChipX86 | The Official "Lenovo Sucks" Thread |
| 10:06.29 | ChipX86 | bah, that guy's complaint doesn't warrant that thread name |
| 10:19.34 | purple_cow | what was his complaint? |
| 10:20.01 | ChipX86 | he ordered a laptop online and it wans't set to ship for a month |
| 10:21.32 | purple_cow | i bet it arrived in a week too |
| 10:21.36 | ChipX86 | probably |
| 10:21.49 | purple_cow | i know they said they wouldn't ship mine for a month, and it came a few days later |
| 10:21.58 | ChipX86 | mine did take nearly that long |
| 10:22.02 | ChipX86 | but it was a new model |
| 10:28.21 | CIA-11 | osiris-misc: 03jupiter * r334 10libsexy/ (4 files in 2 dirs): not sure this works on systems without enchant, but it works on systems with. make enchant into a runtime dependency |
| 10:29.22 | ChipX86 | ugh, reading some scary things people are learning about the cooling system of the t43p |
| 10:30.50 | purple_cow | oh? |
| 10:31.32 | ChipX86 | sounds like lenovo did a half-assed job at it. People are noticing little burn marks sometimes next to theri ati gpu. It seems that air isn't always going in right, that the northbridge and southbridge aren't getting the cooling they really should be getting |
| 10:33.15 | ChipX86 | basically, the fan runs 24/7 |
| 10:33.26 | ChipX86 | and it's a lot more audible than the t42p |
| 10:33.33 | ChipX86 | which is nearly silent most of the time |
| 10:34.22 | purple_cow | :( |
| 10:34.41 | ChipX86 | and it does a pulse thing every couple seconds |
| 10:34.50 | ChipX86 | all very documented problems |
| 10:35.01 | ChipX86 | Lenovo says it's supposed to do this |
| 10:35.48 | purple_cow | hah |
| 10:36.40 | ChipX86 | some people are building their own cooling systems :) |
| 10:42.02 | ChipX86 | bed. g'night |
| 10:50.00 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9289 10fidtool/ (_fidtool.c test.py): Yay, graphs, with pretty antialiasing |
| 10:55.23 | scanlime | heh, you'd think this guy in #vmware's kitchen was on fire or something |
| 10:55.30 | scanlime | * crossm0vement (n=senoje@adsl-66-137-59-22.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net) has joined #vmware |
| 10:55.30 | scanlime | crossm0vement Anyone! |
| 10:55.30 | scanlime | crossm0vement damnit... |
| 10:55.30 | scanlime | crossm0vement help!! |
| 10:55.31 | purple_cow | ? |
| 10:55.33 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 10:57.36 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 10:57.43 | purple_cow | there's a reason for /ignore |
| 10:57.49 | scanlime | yeah |
| 10:57.55 | scanlime | but then, I'm having too much fun with fidtool :) |
| 10:58.10 | scanlime | this is going to be so much fun to put a javascript frontend on |
| 11:00.43 | scanlime | http://navi.cx/~micah/fidtool-test-1.png |
| 11:00.54 | scanlime | the diurnal cycle is pretty striking |
| 11:01.04 | scanlime | as are the outages :P |
| 11:01.44 | scanlime | that should be at 1 hour per pixel resolution |
| 11:02.14 | purple_cow | http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ |
| 11:05.03 | scanlime | "Pies just make him more determined, but Firefox steals his mojo." |
| 11:21.00 | purple_cow | i like #2 |
| 11:22.44 | scanlime | hehe, yes |
| 11:25.14 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 11:25.17 | purple_cow | i should really sleep |
| 11:32.11 | scanlime | yay, palettes |
| 12:06.00 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9290 10fidtool/ (_fidtool.c test.py): |
| 12:06.00 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: Implement happy palette initialization with alpha blending and grid lines. This needs a more |
| 12:06.00 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: accurate algorithm for placing the gridlines, but the C backend for fidtool is close to |
| 12:06.00 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: feature-complete. |
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| 17:51.16 | pfault | where is kergoth |
| 17:51.22 | pfault | I can't update my WoW stuff |
| 17:51.22 | pfault | hehe |
| 18:03.03 | Sophie197 | hey guys |
| 18:03.08 | Sophie197 | http://www.innergeek.us/ |
| 18:03.26 | Sophie197 | I just took that test. Got a 30%. |
| 18:03.36 | Sophie197 | want to know what you guys get/got. |
| 18:06.35 | Sophie197 | scanlime: Homer: Hurry! The roast beef is making them stronger! And the fallafel is making them angrier! |
| 18:37.36 | darth_mall | wow... this group used 3 different sections in their requirements document to say they're required to use Perl and Tk |
| 18:39.03 | darth_mall | even in their hardware requirements =P |
| 18:39.58 | darth_mall | and apparently creating the website with a "basic text editor" is a requirement... |
| 18:48.09 | pfault | I need affordable wireless |
| 18:52.28 | Sophie197 | why don't you just need more money instead? |
| 18:52.40 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 18:52.44 | darth_mall | Sophie197 is so smart ^^ |
| 18:53.29 | Sophie197 | yay! |
| 18:53.52 | Sophie197 | but I still can't play an I&W song. |
| 18:56.54 | darth_mall | it'll come |
| 18:57.28 | darth_mall | if you pick the right one to learn, you'll actually be learning like 5 ;) |
| 18:59.25 | darth_mall | ooh yay! |
| 18:59.28 | darth_mall | what kind? |
| 18:59.46 | Sophie197 | it has floppy ears, and is yellow. |
| 19:00.53 | darth_mall | ooooh |
| 19:03.58 | darth_mall | yay Sophie197 |
| 19:15.09 | pfault | I am a major geek |
| 19:15.12 | pfault | 35% |
| 19:48.22 | hardwire | groovy.. ubuntu repos work well w/ apt-proxy software |
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| 20:23.33 | lurgy|work | hmm |
| 20:23.43 | lurgy|work | slimspace: you have the apartment IP handy? |
| 20:24.09 | slimspace | lurgy|work: 71.211.131.210 |
| 20:24.17 | lurgy|work | thanks slimspace :) |
| 20:24.21 | slimspace | np |
| 21:04.06 | hardwire | bind9 views |
| 21:04.06 | hardwire | ugh |
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| 21:20.48 | ChipX86 | okay, that was a long sleep |
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| 22:16.02 | purple_cow | sweet zombie jesus |
| 22:16.14 | purple_cow | the new altix model allows up to 128T of memory on a single system image |
| 22:28.39 | scanlime | I hear they have a space program, when you sing you can't hear there's no air. Sometimes I think I kinda like that, and other times I think I'm already there. |
| 22:29.22 | ChipX86 | oh wow. I thought it was Sunday |
| 22:29.50 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:30.10 | scanlime | but now I have TMBG stuck in my head, so life is good |
| 22:30.14 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 22:30.44 | ChipX86 | I had a series of very long dreams. I woke up 4 times this morning and couldn't get up until the 4th time.. just fell back into the dreams |
| 22:30.56 | scanlime | I love writing image processing software that doesn't need to keep the entire image in RAM |
| 22:31.05 | scanlime | wow |
| 22:32.14 | scanlime | hmmm... both good choices |
| 22:34.45 | ChipX86 | watching Cat Soup later tonight with Jamie |
| 22:36.05 | purple_cow | lain's a better choice than eva :P |
| 22:36.20 | ChipX86 | pfft, both are good. Both are screwed up, which is what I'm looking for |
| 22:36.41 | scanlime | lain doesn't have giant robots! |
| 22:36.49 | ChipX86 | technically they're not robots |
| 22:36.52 | scanlime | yes :P |
| 22:37.10 | scanlime | but I don't think anyone knew that until the series was well underway |
| 22:37.23 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:37.43 | purple_cow | if i want robot battles, i'll watch FLCL |
| 22:37.45 | purple_cow | ;) |
| 22:37.48 | scanlime | =D |
| 22:37.51 | hardwire | this havarti rules |
| 22:38.24 | hardwire | its like a spread you can slice. |
| 22:40.16 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9291 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/BUGS: no need to have this, since it's not really used |
| 22:44.44 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9292 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/help/C/xchat-gnome.xml: remove BUGS section from help, since it's not useful |
| 22:46.12 | ChipX86 | awesome. I don't have shaped windows anymore |
| 22:46.28 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 22:48.57 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9293 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/TODO: move the one useful item from here into bugzilla |
| 22:50.18 | ChipX86 | yay, fixed |
| 22:53.39 | ChipX86 | ARGH |
| 22:53.44 | ChipX86 | I reverted the wrong file' |
| 22:54.12 | purple_cow | :( |
| 23:02.52 | CIA-11 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9294 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ROADMAP: move important items from here into bugzilla |
| 23:04.44 | scanlime | hrmmmpf |
| 23:05.47 | scanlime | maybe I leave this up to the python code- you just pass in an array with a line type for each column |
| 23:06.23 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 23:21.56 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2303 10galago-daemon/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Remove the test feeds. These are duplicates of what's in libgalago. |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2304 10libgalago/ (16 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-11 | galago: - Move the logic from GalagoAvatar and GalagoPhoto solely into GalagoImage, and remove GalagoAvatar and GalagoPhoto. |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-11 | galago: - Added galago_image_new_from_file() and galago_image_new_from_data(). |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-11 | galago: - This breaks a whole lot of things. They'll be fixed soonish. |
| 23:31.39 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2305 10galago-daemon/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Updated to compile against the new GalagoImage changes in libgalago. |
| 23:41.00 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 23:41.11 | ChipX86 | so this guy e-mailed me asking if I'd consider moving libsexy into libegg |
| 23:41.20 | ChipX86 | I gave 6 reasons as to why I don't want to do that |
| 23:41.26 | ChipX86 | #6 being "I like the name libsexy more than libegg" |
| 23:41.31 | ChipX86 | he said #6 convinced him |
| 23:41.34 | scanlime | :) |
| 23:42.52 | scanlime | hmm |
| 23:43.08 | scanlime | looks like fidtool can generate a graph in about 4 milliseconds on my laptop |
| 23:47.30 | purple_cow | ChipX86: haha |
| 23:47.50 | purple_cow | also, libegg's distribution model really really really sucks |
| 23:47.57 | purple_cow | bugfixes never get to apps that use it |
| 23:47.58 | ChipX86 | that was one of my points |
| 23:49.25 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2306 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-image.c): Add a dbus_message_get vfunc to GalagoImage. |
| 23:50.32 | scanlime | wow... |
| 23:50.39 | scanlime | really fat squirrel was just climbing around on my screen |
| 23:50.46 | scanlime | looked like it was straining under the load |
| 23:50.50 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:51.04 | scanlime | hmm, coffee... |
| 23:51.33 | ChipX86 | hmm, Titanic. Haven't watched this in ages |
| 23:52.06 | scanlime | good |
| 23:52.29 | ChipX86 | it's not a bad movie. Just way over-hyped |
| 23:53.04 | ChipX86 | but I really wish there was something on TV today |
| 23:56.55 | ChipX86 | woot, it works |
| 23:57.44 | CIA-11 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2307 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog tests/get-avatar.c): Pass GALAGO_REMOTE and not FALSE to galago_get_service(). I wish the compiler was more strict about this. |
