| 00:00.38 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 00:00.44 | ChipX86 | and then get a bluetooth keyboard for the 770 |
| 00:00.47 | ChipX86 | and a remote for the iAudio |
| 00:01.26 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 00:01.32 | ChipX86 | I need the development firmware to use the keyboard apparently |
| 00:01.35 | scanlime | and... only two bluetooth dongles at the moment |
| 00:03.32 | hardwire | so voip just isn't suited for gprs eh |
| 00:03.45 | scanlime | enough about voip! |
| 00:04.00 | purple_cow | grps is slow and high-latency, and voip is boring |
| 00:04.29 | hardwire | but you still use GPRS for voice. |
| 00:04.41 | scanlime | who does? |
| 00:04.48 | hardwire | anybody with a GSM phone |
| 00:04.53 | scanlime | that's not GPRS |
| 00:05.07 | file | two separate things, silly hardwire |
| 00:05.12 | scanlime | GPRS and voice are two services that the GSM network offers |
| 00:05.17 | scanlime | voice isn't encapsulated inside GPRS |
| 00:05.19 | hardwire | I was under the impression it wasn't |
| 00:05.25 | hardwire | ok |
| 00:05.46 | hardwire | I assumed GPRS was the transport for the codec |
| 00:10.01 | hardwire | ah.. wikipedia has educated me |
| 00:47.35 | ChipX86 | wtf! |
| 00:47.43 | ChipX86 | scanlime: it's at hillview! |
| 00:47.48 | ChipX86 | it was at hillview last time |
| 00:47.50 | scanlime | yeah... |
| 00:47.52 | scanlime | that's odd |
| 00:47.59 | scanlime | but they've screwed that up before :) |
| 00:48.00 | ChipX86 | that's ridiculous |
| 00:48.02 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 00:48.04 | ChipX86 | going to go check |
| 00:49.42 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: do I dare ask, what's at hillview? |
| 00:51.40 | hardwire | http://www.iol.ie/~dluby/escape.htm |
| 00:57.42 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: measles |
| 00:59.11 | purple_cow | **ware? |
| 00:59.12 | scanlime | I'm not sure that meeting did a lot to convince me to attend more LUG meetings |
| 00:59.19 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 00:59.29 | ChipX86 | I only go because of a couple of people |
| 00:59.35 | ChipX86 | a lot of the people are just too weird for me |
| 00:59.37 | ChipX86 | or annoying |
| 00:59.46 | scanlime | purple_cow: someone in #svlug (who I'm sure is wearing at least 3 layers of tin foil hats) referred to our place of employment as "**ware" |
| 00:59.57 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I can tell you who that is too |
| 01:00.16 | darth_mall | grr |
| 01:00.18 | ChipX86 | do you remembe the guy with the big black beard who likes to show his rocket videos to everyone and talks a lot? |
| 01:00.20 | darth_mall | fuckin' pudge bros. just hung up on me |
| 01:00.26 | scanlime | it's ok, I don't know any real or virtual people at the LUG yet except you and paul ;) |
| 01:00.40 | scanlime | hm, yeah |
| 01:00.41 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 01:00.47 | ChipX86 | well that guy is Ian, same guy who did the **ware thing |
| 01:00.52 | ChipX86 | Ian is one of the first people I met in this area |
| 01:00.57 | darth_mall | **ware? |
| 01:01.12 | darth_mall | is that for privacy's sake? |
| 01:01.17 | ChipX86 | we had this SBAY meeting thing I was invited to. It was no more than 5 people, but he had reserved like 4 tables for it |
| 01:01.29 | scanlime | hehe |
| 01:01.32 | ChipX86 | so one some lady and her kid went to sit at one of the tables, he started actually yelling at her and acting all protective |
| 01:01.38 | scanlime | yow |
| 01:01.58 | ChipX86 | nobody got to say a word the entire time. He would interrupt every single conversation. I went home thinking, "Hope I never run into him again." |
| 01:02.25 | scanlime | the nick T'2 sounds really familiar to me... |
| 01:02.31 | ChipX86 | he works here |
| 01:02.36 | scanlime | ah, that might be it then |
| 01:02.54 | ChipX86 | so, wonder who I can yell at about the beer bash thing |
| 01:03.08 | file[laptop] | oh look, Matrix: Reloaded seems to be on |
| 01:03.09 | file[laptop] | how nice |
| 01:04.44 | purple_cow | scanlime: that's ok, you should just refer to his OS of choice as **nux ;) |
| 01:04.49 | scanlime | :) |
| 01:04.53 | purple_cow | or lunix, they love that |
| 01:05.38 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:06.01 | ChipX86 | I wonder if the purple ring-nosed bubble blower is in there |
| 01:08.24 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9193 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/ (. Makefile.am net-monitor.c): it compiles, therefore it must work! |
| 01:09.35 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9194 10xchat-gnome/plugins/: hush |
| 01:10.58 | scanlime | ChipX86: I think I've realized why I hate LUGs so much |
| 01:11.00 | darth_mall | wtf |
| 01:11.07 | darth_mall | stupid pudge bros |
| 01:11.17 | darth_mall | neither of my cards worked |
| 01:11.36 | ChipX86 | scanlime: bragging socially inept linux fanatics? |
| 01:11.42 | scanlime | well, that's part of it |
| 01:11.43 | scanlime | but |
| 01:12.16 | scanlime | LUGs are full of people that think linux matters :) |
| 01:12.41 | scanlime | people that really know what they're doing either write portable code and don't really care about the OS that much, or they work on kernel-level projects |
| 01:12.59 | purple_cow | darth_mall: pudge has been more and more annoying to me |
| 01:13.03 | ChipX86 | scanlime: nod |
| 01:13.22 | ChipX86 | I'm used to people thinking that. That I can ignore. It's the other issues that get to me |
| 01:13.51 | ChipX86 | not the "linux is so important" but the "*I'm* so important to Linux/open source/science/whatever" |
| 01:13.58 | scanlime | ah |
| 01:13.58 | scanlime | yeah |
| 01:14.09 | ChipX86 | there are many people at the LUG that if you ask, they think they make open source happen |
| 01:14.12 | ChipX86 | Ian is one of them |
| 01:14.16 | scanlime | I guess what bothers me the most so far is the mindset that leads people to recreate "Linux Foo" even though Foo already exists and works fine |
| 01:14.24 | ChipX86 | he likes to say he represents the Silicon Valley open source community |
| 01:14.29 | ChipX86 | but he's far from being the only one |
| 01:14.39 | scanlime | ugh |
| 01:14.41 | purple_cow | there's obviously only one course of action |
| 01:14.42 | purple_cow | cage fights |
| 01:14.45 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 01:14.47 | scanlime | yes |
| 01:14.56 | darth_mall | or murder |
| 01:14.59 | file[laptop] | pay per view cage fights? |
| 01:15.00 | ChipX86 | or both |
| 01:15.03 | scanlime | I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea, if by random whim one occurs to me |
| 01:15.14 | scanlime | noooo |
| 01:15.24 | scanlime | bad creative! |
| 01:15.33 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 01:15.51 | scanlime | their string descriptors have trailing NULs |
| 01:15.53 | scanlime | for no reason |
| 01:16.11 | scanlime | not just one trailing NUL, like you'd expect them to add if they all of a sudden forgot that this wasn't C |
| 01:16.14 | scanlime | but two trailing NULs |
| 01:16.38 | scanlime | maybe they wanted one trailing NUL just 'cuz they felt like it |
| 01:16.40 | purple_cow | maybe they're aligning their strings! |
| 01:16.48 | scanlime | well, I was about to say... |
| 01:16.59 | scanlime | the second NUL actually pushes it just past 32 bytes |
| 01:17.05 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:17.13 | scanlime | so maybe they didn't want it falling on an even 8-byte boundary |
| 01:17.27 | scanlime | it seems like a lot of USB software is buggy about the way it handles reads that line up exactly on a packet boundary |
| 01:17.41 | ChipX86 | someone IM'd me saying, "Hey, I got a job finally!" |
| 01:17.44 | ChipX86 | I have no idea who this guy is |
| 01:18.13 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: be generic as you can! |
| 01:19.56 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:20.16 | darth_mall | purple_cow: pork rinds and pruno! |
| 01:20.22 | darth_mall | that's as healthy as it gets |
| 01:21.00 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9195 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: more accurate copyright header |
| 01:21.56 | file[laptop] | what's pruno? dare I inquire |
| 01:23.29 | file[laptop] | Google never fails! |
| 01:25.41 | numist | yeah.. windows suckses |
| 01:25.50 | numist | Im having wireless issues, so Im using celly internet.. :( |
| 01:25.59 | ChipX86 | no, they just did some stupid stupid stuff that's making my work hard |
| 01:26.06 | ChipX86 | our windows UI developers, that is |
| 01:26.09 | ChipX86 | or whoever wrote this code |
| 01:26.16 | numist | well, my comment stands |
| 01:26.17 | numist | damn them |
| 01:26.27 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:27.18 | scanlime | I should leave for this concert soon, if I want to be there sufficiently way-early |
| 01:27.40 | file[laptop] | scanlime: another one? |
| 01:28.42 | scanlime | TMBG again |
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| 01:30.11 | scanlime | yea.. I'm not getting much more done today |
| 01:30.22 | hardwire | that happend to me 8 hours ago |
| 01:30.22 | file[laptop] | nifty, have fun at the concert |
| 01:30.36 | scanlime | thanks, I'm sure I will =D |
| 01:30.56 | scanlime | parking should be easier this time too, now that I know the meters are free after 7 PM :P |
| 02:27.26 | darth_mall | oh man this show is getting weird |
| 02:30.07 | purple_cow | :) |
| 02:31.23 | purple_cow | suicide club? |
| 02:33.43 | darth_mall | just finished ep 9: ETC |
| 02:40.40 | purple_cow | ah |
| 03:41.37 | darth_mall | yay! hi hi puffy ami yumi show! |
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| 04:02.21 | scanlime | wow. The friday night crowd is way bigger |
| 04:03.25 | purple_cow | surprised? |
| 04:03.36 | scanlime | i doubt i'll be closer to the stage this time :( |
| 04:04.07 | scanlime | just annoyed. I blame will call |
| 04:05.06 | scanlime | i recognize a lot of people from last night in line |
| 04:05.41 | darth_mall | yay! |
| 04:05.50 | darth_mall | Bruce says our Initial Requirements is good |
| 04:07.09 | purple_cow | go us! |
| 04:07.17 | purple_cow | and only 2 days too late to get comments from our sponsors! |
| 04:07.36 | darth_mall | heh |
| 04:07.39 | scanlime | heh. A cable car full of tourists just went by |
| 04:08.05 | scanlime | is there any other kind? |
| 04:13.14 | purple_cow | could be a cable car full of evil |
| 04:16.40 | scanlime | sweet. Nearly everyone wanted seating. I got a great spot near linnell |
| 04:20.26 | purple_cow | damnit |
| 04:20.37 | purple_cow | either i just don't understand this dbus thing, or it hates me |
| 04:26.13 | darth_mall | >< |
| 04:26.32 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: ? |
| 04:27.40 | file[laptop] | ugh tired... but why am I tired... |
| 04:29.28 | Veight | cause you didnt eat food? |
| 04:29.47 | file[laptop] | bad Veight bad |
| 04:30.44 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i'm trying to listen to the dbus events posted by NetworkManager, but i'm getting nothing |
| 04:31.02 | ChipX86 | got the code up somewhere? |
| 04:32.20 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9196 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: commit latest |
| 04:32.31 | purple_cow | http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c |
| 04:33.50 | ChipX86 | and you're sure the dbus support is working? |
| 04:34.37 | purple_cow | i'm seeing things with dbus-monitor --system |
| 04:36.28 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 04:37.38 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 04:37.44 | ChipX86 | you never register it with the mainloop |
| 04:37.57 | ChipX86 | try dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main(bus, NULL); |
| 04:38.05 | ChipX86 | after getting the bus, before registering the filter |
| 04:40.58 | darth_mall | who loves pants? |
| 04:41.03 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9197 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: yay, progress! |
| 04:41.29 | darth_mall | yay |
| 04:43.01 | purple_cow | thanks ChipX86 |
| 04:43.22 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 04:45.44 | darth_mall | ChipX86 is in fact awesome |
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| 04:47.49 | darth_mall | run! it's laodamas! |
| 04:48.58 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i've gotta say, it's pretty fly to be able to fiddle around with the environment without worrying about screwing up my system |
| 04:49.39 | ChipX86 | VM? |
| 04:50.36 | purple_cow | yep |
| 04:50.51 | purple_cow | because AIM is dumb |
| 04:50.51 | ChipX86 | yeah :) makes development like that real nice, and bleeding edge development |
| 04:50.55 | darth_mall | purple_cow: point |
| 04:51.06 | ChipX86 | you can get a completely CVS desktop set up and not have to worry about it not working |
| 04:51.26 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 04:51.52 | purple_cow | tempted to put the effort in to do that, but i've only got the 30-day trial key, so i'm wary of sinking too much time into VMs |
| 04:52.00 | purple_cow | i suppose there's the player |
| 04:52.01 | laodamas | that was a yummy dinner. Time for some emulated incredible machine fun |
| 04:52.06 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 04:52.10 | ChipX86 | make the vms, then use the player |
| 04:52.24 | ChipX86 | and if you get a job at vmware, no need for trial copies |
| 04:52.54 | purple_cow | only problem there is that if i hose it too badly, i can't create it anew |
| 04:53.02 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: true |
| 04:54.11 | laodamas | My pork chops must have had at least six cloves in them alone |
| 04:55.31 | laodamas | then there was the garlic bread |
| 04:55.45 | laodamas | and the garlic spaghetti |
| 04:56.19 | laodamas | and the salad garnished with red onion and garlic slices |
| 04:58.12 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 04:58.25 | purple_cow | something just feels right about drinking sake while watching tsukikage-ran |
| 05:01.31 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: simple solution to screwing up the vm's.. get your base up and working, then back it up :) |
| 05:01.46 | nullpuppy | heck.. just keep an empty vm around... |
| 05:02.04 | darth_mall | or call ChipX86 in the middle of the night when everything breaks! |
| 05:02.10 | nullpuppy | as long as you don't need to alter the size or hardware... you should be able to install into a blank vm using player too |
| 05:02.16 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 05:02.23 | ChipX86 | that's really pretty much all a clone is |
| 05:20.32 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9198 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: lots of progress, but now it's telling me that getActiveDevice doesn't exist |
| 05:35.05 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9199 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: enough work on this silly plugin for tonight |
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| 07:10.02 | purple_cow | hehe, ninja-geisha |
| 07:50.06 | purple_cow | dumdeedum |
| 08:00.36 | ChipX86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.36 | ChipX86 | sbox-i686-linux-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 08:00.40 | ChipX86 | it's supposed to just work! |
| 08:00.58 | purple_cow | scratchbox? |
| 08:01.20 | ChipX86 | the dev jail environment thing that's used for maemo (environment for hte 770) |
| 08:03.20 | ChipX86 | I love it when you follow a howto to the letter and it doesn't work |
| 08:04.10 | gonkulator | ~seen lurgy|work |
| 08:04.16 | jbot | lurgy|work is currently on #tacobeam (8h 39m 20s) |
| 08:04.39 | gonkulator | darn! |
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| 08:13.25 | ChipX86 | hah! this guy on Blind Date is from Chico |
| 08:23.24 | purple_cow | how can you watch that garbage? |
| 08:24.11 | ChipX86 | it amuses me |
| 08:24.19 | ChipX86 | they make so much fun of every date |
| 08:25.52 | ChipX86 | I can' figure out what's broken here |
| 09:17.27 | numist | I am pissed at the way wireless is handled on this 'operating' system |
| 09:17.58 | numist | I really want to just reimplement it like nfs shares are implented: allow.list deny.list, default=[allow|deny] |
| 09:18.11 | ChipX86 | on what? |
| 09:18.21 | numist | windows, but linux isnt a shining star either |
| 09:18.26 | numist | osx handles wireless GREAT |
| 09:18.29 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 09:18.39 | ChipX86 | linux is getting better with network manager, but it's still got a ways to go |
| 09:19.05 | numist | I'm unhappy to the point if actually wanting to learn the way this is implemented from an API standpoint and write my own manager |
| 09:19.12 | numist | because this is fucking ridiculous |
| 09:21.37 | ChipX86 | damnit, this works for everybody in the world but me |
| 09:23.55 | numist | what does? |
| 09:24.01 | ChipX86 | scratchbox + gcc |
| 09:24.01 | numist | sounds like everyone is having issues |
| 09:24.13 | ChipX86 | I want to write apps for the 770, damnit |
| 09:26.12 | numist | I'm honestly pissed at * connection manager for windows and at my wireless card, which I found out tonight can't get on networks that are channel 9 |
| 09:26.39 | numist | bothered me to the point of getting a bit short with Carrie.. not too happy about that |
| 09:26.46 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 09:27.02 | numist | http://numist.net/gallery/v/Computing/SoftwareSuckage/so+which+net+am+I+really+on.png.html |
| 09:27.05 | numist | look at that bullshit |
| 09:27.29 | numist | 'are you sure that you want to disconnect from a network that you arent connected to? |
| 09:27.43 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 09:29.01 | scanlime | all of george washington's head! |
| 09:30.15 | numist | *sigh* |
| 09:40.49 | ChipX86 | grr |
| 09:40.52 | ChipX86 | this makes no sense |
| 09:44.15 | scanlime | what an asshole |
| 09:44.27 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 09:44.37 | scanlime | someone just emailed me a paste from IRC, showing where he /msg'ed me some CIA request, followed by several of those "Day changed" messages from IRC |
| 09:44.47 | scanlime | er, from irssi |
| 09:45.43 | numist | haha |
| 09:45.46 | numist | what an idiot |
| 09:45.51 | ChipX86 | scanlime: you owe him some damn good free support. After all, he's being nice enough to use a service you spent ages writing. Show some gratitude! |
| 09:46.04 | numist | theres an email address on the site for a reason |
| 09:46.47 | scanlime | yeah... |
| 09:47.20 | ChipX86 | are you back home? |
| 09:47.24 | scanlime | yea |
| 09:47.39 | scanlime | a little tired, but don't feel like going to bed |
| 09:47.43 | ChipX86 | nod, same |
| 09:47.46 | scanlime | so I might actually get a start on this database code |
| 09:52.14 | scanlime | hah |
| 09:52.34 | scanlime | and lucasr mentions CIA first thing in his post |
| 09:52.38 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:54.34 | ChipX86 | I hate explaining to people every time I mention the 770 why I have one already when I'm in the US |
| 09:54.41 | scanlime | heh |
| 09:55.20 | ChipX86 | I said I received it yesterday. He said they just started accepting orders yesterday |
| 09:55.49 | scanlime | ChipX86: you have to tell them you created a parallel universe where you had already ordered it |
| 09:56.02 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:56.25 | scanlime | hmm |
| 09:56.38 | scanlime | the footer on CIA still has a 2003-2004 copyright |
| 09:57.08 | scanlime | I guess it probably doesn't have a lot of code from 2005 at the moment :P |
| 10:00.32 | scanlime | turning to drugs to help you sleep will only lead to sleep |
| 10:00.39 | scanlime | and sleeping is a gateway drug to being awake again |
| 10:06.25 | scanlime | ChipX86: http://upcoming.org/event/34915/ |
| 10:07.00 | ChipX86 | interesting |
| 10:09.06 | scanlime | looks like that place is just off I-280 |
| 10:09.31 | ChipX86 | I think I still prefer very small informal get-togethers |
| 10:10.09 | scanlime | I'm tempted to check it out |
| 10:10.17 | scanlime | only about 30 miles north of me ;) |
| 10:10.24 | ChipX86 | so you're not meeting with us at the donut shop tomorrow night? |
| 10:11.55 | scanlime | I didn't know we'd decided on tomorrow |
| 10:11.57 | scanlime | but maybe |
| 10:12.23 | ChipX86 | I wonder how often they do that |
| 10:12.30 | ChipX86 | I might be up for it another time |
| 10:13.23 | ChipX86 | as for tomorrow, a few of us talked about it. I thought you were around, but maybe not. Of course I just found out that my dad wants to spend a bunch of time here tomorrow, so we'll see what that schedule is like |
| 10:14.08 | scanlime | I'd probably still be up for the donut shop |
| 10:14.33 | scanlime | I'm not sure what kind of crowd this hackfest attracts, but I'm still a bit annoyed by LUGs and all that may be similar to them |
| 10:14.42 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 10:14.53 | ChipX86 | hopefully the people will be better than the svlug people |
| 10:15.06 | scanlime | yea |
| 10:16.10 | scanlime | http://upcoming.org/tag/ <-- that right there is the part that makes it Web 2.0! |
| 10:16.27 | ChipX86 | meh |
| 10:16.50 | scanlime | hmm |
| 10:16.52 | ChipX86 | I don't get this whole "web 2.0" thing. Seems like a bunch of buzzwords for everyday stuff |
| 10:17.08 | scanlime | I could make CIA web-2.0-compiant pretty easily by generating a page of projects where font size indicates popularity ;) |
| 10:17.15 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 10:17.47 | scanlime | or maybe the most popular filenames and branch names! |
| 10:21.07 | ChipX86 | ok, time to try the maemo/scratchbox installer script. If this still doesn't work, I give up for now |
| 10:46.56 | numist | ugh now svn... I should go to bed |
| 10:50.35 | CIA-9 | numi-misc: 03numist * r147 10/trunk/ (12 files in 4 dirs): for the win, .files for the masses |
| 12:00.01 | scanlime | what the |
| 12:00.14 | scanlime | espresso beans -> no sleep |
| 12:00.28 | scanlime | now I expected no sleep to lead to coding, or maybe even watching anime or something |
| 12:00.30 | scanlime | no |
| 12:00.40 | scanlime | espresso beans on a friday night apparently make me clean the shower |
| 12:03.28 | numist | hi scanlime |
| 12:05.51 | scanlime | hi |
| 12:05.58 | scanlime | at least I have a clean shower! |
| 12:06.51 | numist | :) |
| 12:06.54 | numist | god its late |
| 12:09.50 | scanlime | haha |
| 12:09.52 | scanlime | http://combots.net/index.php |
| 12:10.15 | scanlime | how many of these robot battle shows are there now? |
| 12:23.04 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.04 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.47 | file[laptop] | yay awake |
| 14:43.35 | CIA-9 | numi-misc: 03numist * r151 10/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): introducing htua - secure online login authentication |
| 15:24.26 | CIA-9 | numi-misc: 03numist * r152 10htua/ (AUTHORS CHANGELOG LICENSE README recv.php submit.php): licensing and happy things, djc apparently wants to reimplement using sha1 |
| 16:11.17 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (i=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) |
| 16:11.21 | pagefault | hey |
| 16:11.44 | file | hey pagefault |
| 16:11.50 | pagefault | whats up in file-land |
| 16:12.18 | file | I'm packing/rushing around |
| 16:12.19 | file | you? |
| 16:12.50 | pagefault | just got up and absorbing news |
| 16:13.06 | pagefault | what are you packing for? |
| 16:16.46 | pagefault | my DSL is fixed |
| 16:16.50 | pagefault | I don't know what they did |
| 16:16.56 | pagefault | but I have not had issues for a while now |
| 16:22.03 | file | packing to go to Montreal |
| 16:22.15 | file | I went once without clothes and stuff, NEVER AGAIN! |
| 16:24.29 | pagefault | ah yes |
| 16:24.31 | pagefault | the scary town |
| 16:28.12 | pagefault | amazon.ca is extremely fast |
| 16:28.17 | pagefault | my order came the next day |
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| 16:42.15 | file | why oh why? |
| 16:42.22 | pagefault | waiting for this to download |
| 16:42.24 | pagefault | it's very slow |
| 16:42.35 | file | ah that's sad |
| 16:48.32 | gonkulator | ~seen lurgyuman |
| 16:48.39 | jbot | gonkulator: i haven't seen 'lurgyuman' |
| 16:48.39 | gonkulator | er |
| 16:48.40 | gonkulator | ~seen lurgyman |
| 16:48.41 | jbot | lurgyman is currently on #tacobeam |
| 16:48.54 | gonkulator | ~seen lurgy |
| 16:48.56 | jbot | lurgy <n=lurgyman@71-211-131-210.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #tacobeam, 1d 10h 17m 25s ago, saying: 'but we'll watch that movie soon'. |
| 16:49.29 | file | hail gonkulator |
| 16:49.57 | gonkulator | hey file |
| 16:50.07 | file | wazzup? |
| 16:51.29 | file | ah |
| 16:53.06 | gonkulator | heh |
| 17:22.14 | CIA-9 | numi-misc: 03numist * r153 10utah/ (8 files): welcome the sha1 cousin - utah |
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| 17:29.13 | file | Powerbook is all packed-like |
| 17:43.24 | dooky | numist: ! what's utah? |
| 17:50.54 | lurgy | hi gonkulator |
| 17:51.01 | gonkulator | ah good, you're there :) |
| 17:51.20 | gonkulator | when shall we meet up, and where exactly are we meeting up? |
| 17:52.13 | lurgy | hehe |
| 17:52.19 | lurgy | well |
| 17:52.24 | lurgy | there's a football game today |
| 17:52.27 | lurgy | that starts at 1:30 |
| 17:52.32 | lurgy | so maybe a late lunch? |
| 17:52.43 | lurgy | like.. 3? |
| 17:52.48 | lurgy | that's nice and in the middle |
| 17:53.13 | gonkulator | I have to be back at the seminary by 4ish |
| 17:53.19 | numist | dooky: update misc :) |
| 17:53.27 | lurgy | hmm |
| 17:53.27 | gonkulator | to set up for Vigil Praise |
| 17:54.01 | lurgy | it's also made trickyish in that i have to be at a church to turn pages for a recital at 1:30 |
| 17:54.02 | gonkulator | but! |
| 17:54.05 | lurgy | ya? |
| 17:54.14 | gonkulator | when is your recital over? |
| 17:54.30 | lurgy | probably about 3 =/ |
| 17:54.41 | gonkulator | darn.... |
| 17:55.25 | lurgy | :( |
| 17:55.46 | lurgy | you're workin on vigil praise stuff the whole evening? |
| 17:55.53 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 17:56.09 | lurgy | darn |
| 17:56.18 | gonkulator | there has to be a way around this... |
| 17:56.23 | gonkulator | maybe before the recital |
| 17:56.45 | lurgy | maybe! |
| 17:57.10 | lurgy | if that's the case then maybe we should just meet at the bus station when you get down here |
| 17:57.17 | lurgy | if that's how you're getting here |
| 17:57.27 | gonkulator | well, I was planning on driving |
| 17:57.34 | gonkulator | since I have not cash for the fare |
| 17:57.44 | lurgy | nod |
| 17:57.53 | gonkulator | then parking becomes a question |
| 17:58.00 | lurgy | yeah |
| 17:58.08 | gonkulator | but, if I left reightr nwo, I would bed in town around noon |
| 17:58.09 | lurgy | avoiding downtown == good idea there |
| 17:58.18 | lurgy | ok |
| 17:58.29 | gonkulator | s/bed/be/ |
| 17:58.31 | lurgy | er, here |
| 17:58.32 | lurgy | ya |
| 17:59.06 | gonkulator | so now the question is, location |
| 17:59.26 | lurgy | yeah that's harder, traffic will be pretty grim by noon here |
| 17:59.30 | lurgy | hmm |
| 18:03.15 | lurgy | the trick is that you'd have to pass campus for any of my ideas to work |
| 18:03.24 | gonkulator | nod |
| 18:03.33 | file | molecular transporter! |
| 18:04.04 | gonkulator | that would be the cheater way out |
| 18:04.05 | lurgy | because i need to end up on the north side of campus around downtown for the recital |
| 18:04.24 | gonkulator | I'll drop you off where you need to get dropped off |
| 18:04.24 | lurgy | you want to just meet here? |
| 18:04.40 | gonkulator | its hard to eat lunc over IRC |
| 18:04.44 | lurgy | hehe |
| 18:04.45 | gonkulator | lunch even |
| 18:04.47 | lurgy | my apartment |
| 18:04.53 | gonkulator | ah, sure |
| 18:04.54 | lurgy | there's a funny little japanese restaurant nearbyish |
| 18:05.04 | gonkulator | that sounds like fun |
| 18:05.09 | gonkulator | are you in Apt 3 still? |
| 18:05.26 | gonkulator | or were you never in apt 3 :) |
| 18:06.52 | lurgy | i was once |
| 18:06.55 | lurgy | but i am now in apt 1 |
| 18:06.57 | lurgy | :) |
| 18:07.05 | gonkulator | ok |
| 18:07.34 | gonkulator | my cell # is 720-217-9058 if you need to get ahold of me |
| 18:07.58 | lurgy | kk |
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| 18:14.30 | numist | sweet, I have gonky's number :) |
| 18:26.50 | numist | dooky: http://numist.net/blog/htua/ |
| 18:27.03 | numist | theres utah |
| 18:27.09 | numist | half an hour of hack |
| 18:36.39 | dooky | htua! |
| 18:36.40 | dooky | lol |
| 18:38.00 | dooky | numist: sha1 >>>>>> md5 |
| 18:38.41 | hardwire | a pregenerated 14 bit long sin array |
| 18:38.48 | hardwire | 0-2**16 |
| 18:39.05 | hardwire | and one blinky little LED.. at 250hz |
| 18:39.27 | dooky | numist: I finished making the necessary classes for gtkpimm |
| 18:39.49 | numist | sweet |
| 18:40.06 | numist | thats pretty blinky, hardwire |
| 18:40.24 | dooky | numist: I made them in proper C++ style |
| 18:40.28 | dooky | it hurt me to write some of it |
| 18:40.34 | numist | hah, I'll bet |
| 18:40.36 | hardwire | numist: its incredibly blinky |
| 18:40.39 | dooky | lol |
| 18:40.56 | dooky | get/set methods and all, /me throws up a little in mouth |
| 18:41.25 | numist | hehe |
| 18:41.35 | dooky | no matter what you say, you're helping me >:( |
| 18:41.39 | numist | I am? |
| 18:41.47 | dooky | once I get this grunt work done |
| 18:41.59 | dooky | you can help me make it fine and dandy |
| 18:44.39 | dooky | pirates tried to board a ship in somalia, but they sucked |
| 18:44.42 | dooky | lol |
| 18:44.54 | dooky | numist: pirates aren't as cool as they used to be, they can't even take a friggin' cruise liner |
| 18:45.10 | numist | I saw that |
| 18:49.26 | hardwire | http://bogomip.com/~hardwire/ds1.txt |
| 18:49.29 | hardwire | http://bogomip.com/~hardwire/ds2.txt |
| 18:49.41 | hardwire | the first one the modulator is resetting itself to 0 |
| 18:49.46 | hardwire | err |
| 18:49.57 | hardwire | the second one is doing that.. the first one is constantly getting fed data. |
| 18:50.11 | hardwire | I like the patterns in the second one a lot more |
| 18:51.18 | hardwire | I am still more or less having a dropout issue |
| 18:51.19 | hardwire | however |
| 18:51.33 | hardwire | where tit doesn't fade out cleanly |
| 18:53.40 | file | meep |
| 18:54.15 | hardwire | moop |
| 18:54.37 | file | jibber jabber! |
| 18:54.59 | hardwire | I doub't it |
| 18:55.12 | hardwire | oops |
| 18:56.49 | file | I see you |
| 18:57.34 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:57.36 | hardwire | I know you do |
| 18:57.40 | hardwire | are you in montreal? |
| 19:00.25 | file | not yet |
| 19:06.04 | numist | whee |
| 19:08.02 | hardwire | mod_timer(&test_timer_ticktock, jiffies + (HZ/250)); |
| 19:08.03 | hardwire | mwa gha |
| 19:08.25 | hardwire | I wonder if the gpio can even cycle at that rate |
| 19:08.31 | hardwire | so far.. yes. |
| 19:09.51 | hardwire | hmm.. how do I turn off a tty's console ability? |
| 19:10.25 | file | hardwire: what madness are you up to today? |
| 19:10.38 | nullpuppy | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime |
| 19:12.08 | hardwire | file: making kernel modules for LED indication |
| 19:12.24 | hardwire | The leader, The legend, The playboy? |
| 19:12.26 | hardwire | thats not right |
| 19:14.54 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 19:15.50 | hardwire | Jan 1 01:00:13 localhost kernel: Test: Cycled. |
| 19:15.50 | hardwire | Jan 1 01:00:44 localhost last message repeated 7533 times |
| 19:15.50 | hardwire | sweet |
| 19:16.13 | hardwire | >>> 7500/30.0 |
| 19:16.13 | hardwire | 250.0 |
| 19:16.25 | hardwire | it can definatly do 250 hz to the gpio |
| 19:16.48 | hardwire | otherwise I would assume it would be talling on my set function |
| 19:16.53 | hardwire | talling/stalling |
| 19:19.13 | hardwire | heh.. it has no problem at 1000hz |
| 19:19.25 | hardwire | but I think the LED may not refresh anywhere near that fast |
| 19:49.56 | file[montreal] | away I go |
| 19:50.02 | file[montreal] | be back on in a few hours, hopefully from the train |
| 19:53.24 | hardwire | hasta |
| 19:53.26 | hardwire | err |
| 19:53.27 | hardwire | yeh |
| 20:06.21 | ChipX86 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4409512.stm |
| 20:12.44 | hardwire | I definatly don't have my brain wrapped aroudn this |
| 20:12.47 | ChipX86 | Reporter: "Do you owe the American people an apology for your administration's assertations that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby weren't involved?" Bush: "War on Terror, Supreme Court nominee, hurricanes..." |
| 20:12.54 | ChipX86 | sadly, reading the article, that's how it went |
| 20:13.08 | ChipX86 | except "energy crisis" was also in there |
| 20:13.51 | hardwire | there is a Dr. Jones aura to this |
| 20:14.37 | ChipX86 | heh, this is an amusing transcript |
| 20:15.01 | hardwire | ChipX86: heh.. dare you to go touch Oetzi |
| 20:15.07 | ChipX86 | no :) |
| 20:15.14 | ChipX86 | I'm not even going to read up on Oetzi at this point |
| 20:15.16 | hardwire | kinda spooky |
| 20:15.36 | hardwire | ChipX86: hahaha.. I don't think curses cross the "E" barrier. |
| 20:15.47 | ChipX86 | eCurse! |
| 20:16.51 | hardwire | It hink when you look at the sum of many timelines you could find similar reactions. |
| 20:17.04 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 20:17.37 | hardwire | ChipX86: you are C master right? |
| 20:17.47 | ChipX86 | "Well, I will, of course, be polite. That's what the American people expect their President to do, is to be a polite person. And I will -- if I run across him, I will do just that." |
| 20:17.47 | hardwire | el supremo coder extraordinair |
| 20:17.51 | ChipX86 | I know C well enough |
| 20:18.22 | hardwire | I hate to ask.. but how would I start.. and then malloc+append an element to an array of structs |
| 20:19.04 | hardwire | at this point.. I am thinking I need more arrays and no structs. just because I am so used to using dicts in python |
| 20:19.29 | hardwire | I am so terrible at C |
| 20:19.34 | hardwire | programming in general even :) |
| 20:19.38 | ChipX86 | I'm not entirely sure what you're asking |
| 20:19.42 | ChipX86 | you want to resize an array? |
| 20:20.01 | hardwire | yeh.. I have a struct defined as struct led |
| 20:20.08 | hardwire | it has a few ints that give the state of the led |
| 20:20.16 | hardwire | I have an unknown number of led's |
| 20:20.22 | hardwire | it will detect those on module init |
| 20:20.41 | ChipX86 | do you need to access them by index, or would a linked list work? |
| 20:20.44 | hardwire | I think I should just take all the ints in the struct.. make them into arrays at MAX_LED |
| 20:20.51 | ChipX86 | you can grow an array with realloc |
| 20:21.04 | hardwire | well it only needs to happen once |
| 20:21.06 | ChipX86 | make them into arrays at MAX_LED? |
| 20:21.12 | hardwire | err. |
| 20:21.17 | hardwire | struct led |
| 20:21.17 | hardwire | { |
| 20:21.17 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.17 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.17 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.18 | ChipX86 | so only malloc when you first know the size |
| 20:21.19 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.20 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.22 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.24 | hardwire | }; |
| 20:21.26 | hardwire | so take each element.. |
| 20:21.31 | hardwire | long ds_integrator1[MAX_LED]; |
| 20:21.40 | ChipX86 | oh you're doing that so wrong :) |
| 20:21.48 | hardwire | yeh |
| 20:21.56 | ChipX86 | so you want to make each of those an array and grow them? |
| 20:22.10 | hardwire | cause what I would do is struct led led_data[MAX_LED] :) |
| 20:22.16 | ChipX86 | oh ok |
| 20:22.26 | ChipX86 | how big is MAX_LED? |
| 20:22.30 | hardwire | 20 |
| 20:22.39 | ChipX86 | and do you really need 20, or something fewer usually? |
| 20:22.40 | hardwire | I would rather not have it eat up memory for no reason however |
| 20:22.49 | hardwire | even though its almost nothing |
| 20:23.30 | hardwire | so in the module init.. if I could initalize the array of structs to a certain size.. that would be usefull |
| 20:23.45 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:23.50 | ChipX86 | so do struct led *led_data; |
| 20:24.02 | hardwire | the realloc it to sizeof led * led_count |
| 20:24.20 | ChipX86 | then when you know the size initially, led_data = (struct led *)malloc(led_count * sizeof(struct led)); |
| 20:25.00 | ChipX86 | btw, "struct led" is somewhat ugly. Typedef that to Led or something. Usually, you begin structs with a capital letter |
| 20:25.01 | hardwire | bool state; would work right? |
| 20:25.04 | hardwire | I could set that to 0 or 1 |
| 20:25.12 | ChipX86 | true or false |
| 20:25.14 | ChipX86 | assuming it's C++ |
| 20:25.20 | ChipX86 | if it's C, no, there's no bool type |
| 20:25.20 | hardwire | C for kernel |
| 20:25.25 | ChipX86 | you have to reuse one (like glib's) or make your own |
| 20:25.28 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 20:25.31 | ChipX86 | then check otheor kernel modules |
| 20:25.35 | ChipX86 | they might have their own thing |
| 20:25.41 | hardwire | I think they did |
| 20:26.06 | hardwire | I jsut have a lot of things I need true or false |
| 20:26.09 | hardwire | active y/n |
| 20:26.14 | hardwire | state now y/n |
| 20:26.17 | hardwire | state original y/n |
| 20:27.13 | hardwire | enum? |
| 20:27.23 | ChipX86 | no |
| 20:27.28 | ChipX86 | use whatever is in the kernel for booleans |
| 20:30.00 | hardwire | http://pastebin.ca/27719 |
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| 20:30.06 | hardwire | is that a wee smidgion cleaner? |
| 20:31.13 | hardwire | static led_t led_data[] = {}; // this would apparently initialize this with no elements |
| 20:33.21 | Sophie197 | allo |
| 20:33.47 | ChipX86 | hardwire: don't do that |
| 20:34.01 | ChipX86 | you're thinking in a very non-C way :) |
| 20:34.06 | hardwire | as usual |
| 20:34.09 | ChipX86 | struct led_t *led; |
| 20:34.21 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:34.32 | ChipX86 | an array is just a block of memory |
| 20:34.39 | ChipX86 | you need to make it a pointer so you can allocate it |
| 20:35.15 | hardwire | slowly but surely chip |
| 20:35.36 | ChipX86 | static led_t led_data[] = {}; <-- very incorrect and won't do what you want it to do |
| 20:35.39 | hardwire | it took me half a day to figure out how the simple delta-sima modulator worked.. just so I could take it from float to fixed point ranges |
| 20:36.21 | hardwire | took all day yesterday to remember pygtk so I could visualize the target too |
| 20:36.22 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:37.30 | Sophie197 | new Williamson, check out free tracks here: http://www.williamsonsound.com/music.html |
| 20:37.32 | hardwire | so as a pointer.. I can now call another function to allocate the memory and return the data |
| 20:37.50 | Sophie197 | for those who enjoy the Album Leaf |
| 20:38.09 | hardwire | led_data = alloc_led_data(led_count) |
| 20:38.22 | Sophie197 | and maybe Lemon Jelly, and otherwise pretty instrumental stuff. |
| 20:38.27 | ChipX86 | hardwire: sure |
| 20:38.35 | ChipX86 | or just use malloc if all it's going to do is call malloc |
| 20:39.20 | hardwire | can I set default values in the struct? |
| 20:39.42 | hardwire | or is that just retarted |
| 20:40.06 | hardwire | actually it is.. cause the defaults would all be setting a few ints to 0 |
| 20:40.12 | hardwire | which.. is already that way |
| 20:40.33 | ChipX86 | by default, the values are not 0 |
| 20:40.40 | ChipX86 | you need to memset everything to 0 if you want that |
| 20:41.05 | hardwire | if I wanted to do if(led_data[0].active) it would return false if it were not set correct? |
| 20:41.12 | ChipX86 | right |
| 20:41.21 | ChipX86 | but initially after a malloc, active will be garbage |
| 20:41.56 | hardwire | if I were smarter.. I would use the linked lists support in the kernel |
| 20:42.28 | hardwire | ChipX86: cause its mallocing memory.. only cares about the size of the struct. |
| 20:42.51 | hardwire | how does the program know if led[0].active is even touched? |
| 20:43.00 | ChipX86 | huh? |
| 20:43.16 | hardwire | well if I malloc.. it allocates a memory range.. reguardless of what was there before |
| 20:43.22 | ChipX86 | right |
| 20:43.22 | hardwire | since its no longer there |
| 20:43.37 | hardwire | so if I malloc.. and the .active variable is on top of some data |
| 20:43.40 | hardwire | how does it know not to pull it? |
| 20:43.58 | ChipX86 | you're not making any sense :) |
| 20:44.03 | ChipX86 | just malloc and memset it |
| 20:44.05 | hardwire | I talk with my hands.. you will literally have to be in front of me to grasp anything I say. |
| 20:44.25 | ChipX86 | so memset(led_data, 0, led_count * sizeof(struct led_t)); |
| 20:44.36 | hardwire | so if I don't memset.. and I attempt to find the value of led[0].active will it return anything? |
| 20:44.48 | ChipX86 | it will return garbage |
| 20:44.53 | ChipX86 | whatever used to be at that memory location |
| 20:44.57 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:45.14 | hardwire | so always initialize the data before you compare it. |
| 20:45.24 | ChipX86 | always initialize right after you malloc |
| 20:46.41 | hardwire | this is very interesting |
| 20:46.49 | hardwire | maybe not to 90% of the people here |
| 20:52.35 | hardwire | typedef struct { |
| 20:52.35 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.40 | hardwire | wtf does that mean? |
| 20:52.51 | hardwire | that restricts the size of it? |
| 20:54.51 | purple_cow | initializes it to 1 |
| 20:55.39 | hardwire | wild man |
| 20:55.49 | hardwire | brb.. this will have to wait |
| 20:56.07 | ChipX86 | no, it's a bit field |
| 20:56.21 | ChipX86 | or a bit length rather |
| 20:56.27 | hardwire | thats what it looked like |
| 20:56.31 | hardwire | from the code I was looking at |
| 20:56.44 | hardwire | defining a bitfeild |
| 20:56.56 | hardwire | field |
| 20:56.59 | hardwire | argh |
| 20:57.09 | ChipX86 | http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node13.html |
| 21:00.16 | purple_cow | ChipX86: huh, weird. i wonder what i was thinking of |
| 21:09.53 | ChipX86 | what do you think of the tango icons? |
| 21:12.28 | purple_cow | some are better than others |
| 21:12.37 | ChipX86 | I mean the overall style |
| 21:12.58 | purple_cow | the highly saturated colors are kind of annoying, but that's probably just because i'm used to the existing icons |
| 21:17.18 | purple_cow | i'm gonna be pissed if they replace my gnome icons with it and KDE doesn't follow suit :P |
| 21:18.40 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:18.46 | ChipX86 | I see that happening though |
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| 21:32.41 | hardwire | my poor desk |
| 21:32.42 | hardwire | blueprints |
| 21:32.45 | hardwire | phones |
| 21:32.49 | hardwire | sbc's |
| 21:32.53 | hardwire | food |
| 21:32.58 | hardwire | I feel so slobby |
| 21:33.03 | file[ontrain] | I'm on the train |
| 21:33.04 | file[ontrain] | :) |
| 21:33.13 | hardwire | file[laptop]: dare I say GPRS? |
| 21:33.25 | file[ontrain] | CDMA 1X |
| 21:33.35 | hardwire | sierra wireless "? |
| 21:34.03 | file[ontrain] | my phone has bluetooth |
| 21:34.05 | hardwire | 1xrtt is fast enough for most mp3 streams coming down. |
| 21:34.13 | hardwire | tis why I like it |
| 21:34.18 | file[ontrain] | I just dialup to #777 on my Powerbook :) |
| 21:34.25 | hardwire | i have the unlimited data plan for evdo |
| 21:34.34 | hardwire | but linux doesn't for some reason ever want to put it into EVDO mode |
| 21:34.55 | hardwire | or retain the ppp connection for more than a few seconds |
| 21:35.09 | hardwire | mmm |
| 21:35.12 | hardwire | bacon mushroom melt |
| 21:35.34 | hardwire | every few months I decide wendies is neat.. I eat there food.. it tastes good but I don't want it for another few months after that |
| 21:35.52 | file[ontrain] | my ping time is about 500ms |
| 21:36.04 | hardwire | eww |
| 21:36.46 | hardwire | now.. take some ping measurements and try to decide the speed of the train |
| 21:37.00 | file[ontrain] | I have my GPS here |
| 21:37.05 | hardwire | cheap |
| 21:45.47 | hardwire | I guess I ate the burger. |
| 21:46.30 | hardwire | sizeof(*led_data) will return the kmalloc'ed size of that pointers data? |
| 21:50.50 | ChipX86 | it's the same as sizeof(struct led_t) |
| 21:51.26 | hardwire | led_data = kmalloc(sizeof(led_t * active_leds), GFP_KERNEL); |
| 21:51.32 | hardwire | memset(led_data, 0x00, sizeof(*led_data)); |
| 21:51.37 | ChipX86 | no, bad |
| 21:51.45 | ChipX86 | sizeof(led_t) * active_leds) |
| 21:51.49 | hardwire | haha |
| 21:51.50 | hardwire | duherh |
| 21:52.03 | ChipX86 | and the memset should be the same as what's in the kmalloc |
| 21:52.12 | ChipX86 | and 0x00 is pointless :P |
| 21:52.19 | hardwire | its cut-n-paste :) |
| 21:52.47 | hardwire | but I don;t need malloc(&led_data... |
| 21:53.05 | hardwire | that would be if it wasn't a pointer correct? |
| 21:53.07 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:53.17 | hardwire | fuck |
| 21:53.21 | hardwire | memset(&led_data |
| 21:53.29 | hardwire | vs no & |
| 21:53.31 | ChipX86 | you do want it, but without the & |
| 21:54.10 | hardwire | when would I use &.. I know thats basic but I need to remember things :) |
| 21:54.51 | hardwire | I remember it being used when calling a function thats variable is a pointer that can be set from within the function. |
| 21:55.20 | ChipX86 | it gives you the address of the variable |
| 21:55.33 | hardwire | ah |
| 21:55.48 | hardwire | so the pointer variable in the called function just uses that address. |
| 21:55.52 | hardwire | assuming its the same type. |
| 21:56.21 | ChipX86 | you wouldn't use it on a pointer in that case |
| 21:56.23 | ChipX86 | just on something on the stack |
| 21:56.38 | hardwire | blah |
| 21:56.50 | hardwire | hello world is souunding nice and easy |
| 21:57.30 | hardwire | sweet.. I caused a compile loop |
| 21:57.37 | ChipX86 | a what? |
| 21:57.46 | hardwire | /home/spencersr/BulletDebian/modules/tmp/scx200_gpio_ledpulse/scx200_gpio_ledpulse.c:47: warning: excess elements in array initializer |
| 21:57.48 | hardwire | /home/spencersr/BulletDebian/modules/tmp/scx200_gpio_ledpulse/scx200_gpio_ledpulse.c:47: warning: (near initialization for 'pattern') |
| 21:57.49 | hardwire | and it doesn't stop :) |
| 21:57.57 | hardwire | I will figure it out.. just looked fun |
| 21:58.04 | ChipX86 | I'm sure it stops |
| 21:58.30 | hardwire | its been doing that straight for 30 seconds now |
| 21:58.39 | hardwire | oh.. it finally stopped |
| 21:58.39 | hardwire | haha |
| 21:58.46 | hardwire | stupid comma |
| 21:59.08 | hardwire | its because I have a 4096 element array above it |
| 22:02.13 | purple_cow | damnit, all those seeds went bad |
| 22:03.06 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/worldDrawing.h src/worldDrawing.cpp): externalise drawing for map items |
| 22:03.45 | hardwire | I shoould just concentrate on playing bzflag today |
| 22:04.01 | hardwire | i suck at that too.. however.. |
| 22:05.26 | hardwire | oops |
| 22:05.39 | hardwire | 5000+ more elements in that array than there should be |
| 22:05.42 | hardwire | dunno how those got there.. |
| 22:05.53 | hardwire | you would think that would be noticable |
| 22:16.36 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (6 files in 3 dirs): externalise drawing for map items |
| 22:19.34 | *** join/#tacobeam file[lap1op] (n=jcolp@207.231.239.119) |
| 22:19.50 | file[lap1op] | digital cellular service = good |
| 22:20.42 | hardwire | well |
| 22:20.53 | hardwire | digital cellular service = good if available |
| 22:28.50 | file[ontrain] | just went through Miramichi |
| 22:29.11 | hardwire | tunnel? |
| 22:29.37 | file[ontrain] | er Rogersville rather, near Miramichi |
| 22:29.38 | file[ontrain] | no - the town |
| 22:29.51 | file[ontrain] | 41 e-mails over CDMA 1X, what a pain |
| 22:29.51 | hardwire | I wanted to take a train through canada |
| 22:30.06 | file[ontrain] | you can do that |
| 22:30.16 | hardwire | well.. when I was in canada. |
| 22:30.23 | hardwire | I am no longer in canada. |
| 22:30.31 | hardwire | I was for only 3 days :) |
| 22:30.49 | hardwire | it would have rocked if a passenger train went from colorado to anchorage |
| 22:31.01 | hardwire | a really really fast one |
| 22:31.38 | file[ontrain] | haha |
| 22:33.04 | pagefault | are there scary french people on the train |
| 22:33.09 | pagefault | scary french people are scary |
| 22:33.19 | file[ontrain] | pagefault: yeah |
| 22:33.24 | file[ontrain] | the conductor was french, he spoke in french to me |
| 22:33.30 | file[ontrain] | I was just like "okay... yeah..." |
| 22:33.33 | pagefault | oh |
| 22:33.35 | pagefault | well that was nice of him |
| 22:33.43 | file[ontrain] | hehe |
| 22:33.47 | file[ontrain] | he gave me a pillow and blanket |
| 22:33.49 | hardwire | working in kernel space is so weird |
| 22:33.53 | hardwire | test program with insmod |
| 22:33.58 | hardwire | pray |
| 22:34.07 | file[ontrain] | hardwire: not for you! :P |
| 22:34.14 | pagefault | scary french people! |
| 22:34.15 | pagefault | hehe |
| 22:34.53 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:35.21 | hardwire | french people just want to get busy with you. |
| 22:35.25 | hardwire | or spit on you |
| 22:35.31 | hardwire | general impression in paris |
| 22:35.36 | file[ontrain] | haha |
| 22:37.27 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9200 10xchat-gnome/plugins/net-monitor/net-monitor.c: minor cleanups |
| 22:38.21 | file[ontrain] | SSH is oddly usable |
| 22:38.51 | ChipX86 | I love how every factory above lava has an easy to reach "Sink this entire base into the lava pit" button |
| 22:39.24 | purple_cow | well, sometimes you have emergencies... |
| 22:39.31 | hardwire | pattern[4096] usable range is 0-4095 |
| 22:40.33 | hardwire | I check to see if its over.. then modulus 4905 or 4096 |
| 22:40.35 | hardwire | I hate 0 |
| 22:40.57 | hardwire | or should I just say fuck it and modulus against the sizeof(pattern) |
| 22:42.21 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 22:42.52 | file[ontrain] | ChipX86: just nod your head |
| 22:43.22 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 22:43.23 | hardwire | thats really all I need |
| 22:43.41 | ChipX86 | I have no idea what you're trying to do |
| 22:43.53 | purple_cow | ChipX86: it's better to not know |
| 22:44.55 | hardwire | I shoulnd't be using syslog to check the output of something printing 50 times a second |
| 22:45.00 | hardwire | my logs are going to hate me |
| 22:45.33 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i can just call notify_init() and everything will work well, right? |
| 22:45.36 | purple_cow | there's lots of init stuff here |
| 22:48.43 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: should be able to |
| 22:48.49 | *** join/#tacobeam file[ont1ain] (n=jcolp@207.231.238.87) |
| 22:48.51 | purple_cow | cool |
| 22:49.31 | numist | I just downloaded the 2.6 kernel full tarball in 3.5 seconds |
| 22:49.58 | file[ont1ain] | ugh |
| 22:49.59 | file[ont1ain] | dead service = bad |
| 22:51.48 | scanlime | hardwire: um.. buffer[x & 4095] |
| 22:52.05 | scanlime | hardwire: modulus is slow. Binary and without a test is fastest |
| 22:52.09 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.09 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.22 | hardwire | I was just remembering being told how slow modulus was |
| 22:52.34 | laodamas | http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47169 |
| 22:52.52 | laodamas | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.55 | laodamas | lmao |
| 22:52.56 | hardwire | led[i].position = led[i].position & pattern_size // given pattern size is a power of 2 |
| 22:52.57 | scanlime | force your pattern size to be a power of 2 and use: position = (position + intensity) & (pattern_size - 1) |
| 22:53.04 | hardwire | I owe me a pop |
| 22:53.10 | scanlime | -1 |
| 22:53.22 | hardwire | ok |
| 22:53.34 | purple_cow | laodamas: haha |
| 22:53.41 | scanlime | in binary, if your pattern size is "1000", you want to and with "0111" |
| 22:54.05 | hardwire | Nov 5 13:53:52 shihan kernel: Ledpulse: LED 0 PATTERNSIZE 1023 POSITION 1014 |
| 22:54.05 | hardwire | Nov 5 13:53:52 shihan kernel: Ledpulse: Cycled. |
| 22:54.06 | hardwire | Nov 5 13:53:52 shihan kernel: Ledpulse: LED 0 PATTERNSIZE 1023 POSITION 6 |
| 22:54.06 | hardwire | Nov 5 13:53:52 shihan kernel: Ledpulse: Cycled. |
| 22:54.13 | hardwire | pattern is set to 1024 |
| 22:54.13 | hardwire | worked like a champ |
| 22:54.20 | scanlime | why does that say 1023? |
| 22:54.21 | scanlime | :P |
| 22:54.30 | hardwire | static unsigned short int pattern[4096] = { |
| 22:54.31 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.31 | hardwire | static unsigned int pattern_size = (sizeof(pattern) / 8) - 1; |
| 22:54.37 | scanlime | guh |
| 22:54.39 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:54.41 | scanlime | don't call that pattern_size |
| 22:54.51 | scanlime | call it pattern_mask or something.. since it's actually size-1 |
| 22:54.56 | purple_cow | laodamas: i especially like the bit about how it's produced in the center of the earth and brought to the surface through centrifugal forces |
| 22:54.58 | hardwire | done deal |
| 22:55.00 | hardwire | 10-4 |
| 22:55.14 | laodamas | purple_cow: WND is a "right wing" news source that taken seriously by the same kind people who think that the enquirer and fox news are reliable news sources |
| 22:55.18 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9201 10xchat-gnome/plugins/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add the shell for the osd thing, since i'm bored. also rearrange a bit |
| 22:55.22 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.23 | scanlime | mmm, soy |
| 22:56.51 | pagefault | mmm dill pickle |
| 22:57.18 | scanlime | hardwire: if you were using modulo, that -1 was incorrect |
| 22:57.43 | hardwire | scanlime: ok |
| 22:57.45 | scanlime | a % b == a & (b-1), if b is a power of two |
| 22:57.47 | hardwire | I hate 0 |
| 22:57.59 | scanlime | 0 rocks your socks |
| 22:58.04 | hardwire | speaking of |
| 22:58.17 | scanlime | yes, my feet are cold... |
| 23:06.15 | hardwire | http://pastebin.ca/27727 |
| 23:06.48 | purple_cow | pff |
| 23:06.51 | hardwire | its just 0-90 on a sine wave.. but i also want it to be changable via the char device |
| 23:06.58 | purple_cow | obviously *someone* needs to write some fixed-point trig functions |
| 23:10.39 | pagefault | mmm food |
| 23:10.54 | file[ontrain] | pagefault: gah |
| 23:10.55 | file[ontrain] | don't say that |
| 23:10.58 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:11.03 | pagefault | are you getting a great meal on the train? |
| 23:11.10 | file[ontrain] | I'm getting... NOTHING! |
| 23:11.13 | pagefault | what |
| 23:11.14 | file[ontrain] | so I brought some water and M&Ms |
| 23:11.16 | pagefault | they don't feed you? |
| 23:11.19 | hardwire | M&M's |
| 23:11.20 | file[ontrain] | nope |
| 23:11.22 | hardwire | jesus christ |
| 23:11.26 | hardwire | that makes me want candy. |
| 23:11.28 | pagefault | I am having prime rib stew |
| 23:11.31 | pagefault | it's so good |
| 23:11.37 | file[ontrain] | bah |
| 23:11.42 | hardwire | pagefault: made a roast ever? |
| 23:11.42 | file[ontrain] | yay I have mail |
| 23:11.51 | pagefault | hardwire, yeah |
| 23:11.57 | hardwire | got any tips? |
| 23:12.09 | pagefault | hardwire, yeah |
| 23:12.11 | hardwire | my family isn't getting back to me on our traditional roasts |
| 23:12.22 | pagefault | find a nice piece of meat |
| 23:12.25 | pagefault | thats the most important part |
| 23:12.30 | file[ontrain] | digital service is fading |
| 23:12.49 | pagefault | then lightly cover in a mixture of flower and salt and pepper |
| 23:12.52 | *** join/#tacobeam Veight` (i=Veight@c-24-118-220-75.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 23:13.02 | file[ontrain] | uh oh it's Veight clone |
| 23:13.10 | pagefault | then quickly cook the outside of the roast on all sides so it's lightly brown |
| 23:13.14 | pagefault | like in a frying pan |
| 23:13.22 | pagefault | then shove it into the oven |
| 23:13.26 | hardwire | sear it |
| 23:13.26 | purple_cow | mmm, flower |
| 23:13.33 | pagefault | yeah |
| 23:13.44 | pagefault | err |
| 23:13.44 | pagefault | flour |
| 23:13.45 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:13.49 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:14.01 | hardwire | trying to convince g/f I want a big roast |
| 23:14.06 | pagefault | and don't poke at it while it's cooking |
| 23:14.10 | hardwire | mainly because of the leftover hash materials |
| 23:14.10 | pagefault | and when you take it out |
| 23:14.14 | pagefault | make sure it rests for at least 15 minutes |
| 23:14.16 | file[ontrain] | it suddenly got cold in this car |
| 23:14.16 | pagefault | before you try to cut into it |
| 23:14.31 | file[ontrain] | wow |
| 23:14.33 | hardwire | file[ontrain]: maybe somebody ate some ice then farted. |
| 23:14.37 | file[ontrain] | there's only 8 other people in here |
| 23:14.53 | hardwire | pagefault: hmm |
| 23:15.02 | hardwire | so you don't put herbs on the outside? |
| 23:15.06 | pagefault | nope |
| 23:15.06 | hardwire | pre searing |
| 23:15.09 | pagefault | salt and pepper is all you need |
| 23:15.22 | pagefault | and if you have a bit of olive oil on the top of it |
| 23:15.26 | hardwire | pl |
| 23:15.27 | hardwire | err |
| 23:15.28 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:15.31 | hardwire | do you know what an ulu is? |
| 23:15.39 | purple_cow | hardwire: herbs work too |
| 23:15.52 | purple_cow | at that point, you can put just about anything in with it and it will be tasty |
| 23:15.54 | pagefault | no idea what an ulu is |
| 23:16.01 | hardwire | its a half moon cutting blade |
| 23:16.05 | hardwire | used by the natives in alaska |
| 23:16.16 | hardwire | the upside is you can roll the knife |
| 23:16.25 | file[ontrain] | I wonder how long my phone can last if I watch TV on it |
| 23:16.33 | hardwire | given a flat cutting surface you can quickly roll the knife back and forth and chop veggies |
| 23:16.40 | pagefault | neat |
| 23:16.46 | hardwire | or a bowl cutting surface you can take fresh fresh herbs and make them much much smaller |
| 23:16.53 | hardwire | I use it on 75% of my meals |
| 23:16.59 | hardwire | I bought a special one when I moved up here |
| 23:17.02 | purple_cow | you can do that with a good chef's knife too, just takes a little practice |
| 23:17.05 | hardwire | yeh |
| 23:17.17 | hardwire | the ulu is a freaking cuisinarty |
| 23:17.20 | hardwire | s/y/ |
| 23:17.23 | hardwire | alasdjkf |
| 23:17.24 | purple_cow | except the bown thing |
| 23:17.28 | purple_cow | err, bowl |
| 23:17.33 | hardwire | well the bowl came with the ulu |
| 23:17.36 | hardwire | its alaska birch |
| 23:17.52 | hardwire | its just amazing how fine I can get anything with my own power |
| 23:18.02 | purple_cow | how much was it? |
| 23:18.11 | pagefault | whatever works is the best tool to use |
| 23:18.12 | hardwire | you can buy them at say wall mart for $25-30 |
| 23:18.14 | pagefault | whatever you are comfortable wiht |
| 23:18.15 | pagefault | err with |
| 23:18.16 | hardwire | they don't have to be too sharp |
| 23:18.21 | hardwire | mine was $120 + bowl |
| 23:18.33 | hardwire | it has a carrabou horn handle |
| 23:18.36 | pagefault | I use a fork to juice lemons and stuff :P |
| 23:18.44 | hardwire | interesting |
| 23:19.03 | hardwire | what does that accomplish? |
| 23:19.10 | hardwire | rather how is it accomplished. |
| 23:19.14 | pagefault | you get the juice out of it without wasting much |
| 23:19.21 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9202 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notify-osd/ (. Makefile.am notify-osd.c): fix up a bit |
| 23:19.25 | ChipX86 | hrm, I'm a bit worried about my dad.. he called and left a message yesterday, saying he wanted to get together today. I called back a bit later and couldn't reach him, left a message, and have been trying to call both his house and cell phones constantly last night and today. Haven't reached him |
| 23:19.29 | pagefault | just cut it in half and stab the flesh |
| 23:19.31 | pagefault | and just turn the fork |
| 23:19.39 | hardwire | ChipX86: he touched the mummy |
| 23:19.55 | hardwire | pagefault: I was imaginging stab a whole lemon |
| 23:19.57 | hardwire | then beat it to shit |
| 23:20.00 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:20.01 | ChipX86 | hardwire: your humor is tasteless |
| 23:20.09 | ChipX86 | and very inappropriate |
| 23:20.14 | hardwire | ChipX86: its not well timed :) |
| 23:20.20 | ChipX86 | it's fucking badly timed |
| 23:20.32 | hardwire | well I am sorry your dads out-of-touchness is bugging you |
| 23:20.39 | hardwire | sorry.. I will be more sympathetic |
| 23:20.49 | scanlime | hm. cirque du soleil is in town this month |
| 23:22.29 | hardwire | scanlime: does this seem appropriate (minus the bad optimization) for an unsigned int delta sigma modulator. http://pastebin.ca/27728 |
| 23:23.00 | hardwire | concidering it won't 100% matter if the middle is accurate |
| 23:23.05 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9203 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: update for new plugins |
| 23:23.41 | scanlime | hardwire: you have some fencepost problems... |
| 23:23.44 | hardwire | however.. it does after a few seconds :) |
| 23:23.50 | scanlime | 2**16 is a long int |
| 23:23.58 | scanlime | er, isn't a 16-bit at least |
| 23:24.10 | hardwire | 65536 |
| 23:24.29 | scanlime | step one, forget entirely about the following operators: *, **, /, %, >= |
| 23:24.31 | hardwire | sorry.. the range of the modulator should be 0-65535 vs 0.0-1.0 |
| 23:24.35 | purple_cow | scanlime: hehe |
| 23:24.40 | hardwire | scanlime: that was just for my own sake.. |
| 23:24.46 | hardwire | but point taken |
| 23:24.54 | scanlime | hardwire: you will learn to use binary arithmetic, and you will like it! |
| 23:25.17 | hardwire | I just gave you the face my dog gives me when he thinks he ate the wrong thing |
| 23:26.37 | hardwire | I took today off to have a lesson in humility :) |
| 23:26.40 | scanlime | well, here.. to make it easy on yourself, define output as a binary integer in the same units as your input |
| 23:26.48 | scanlime | so output will always be either 0 or 0xFFFF |
| 23:27.07 | scanlime | you can pick an arbitrary bit from that when you actually do the I/O |
| 23:27.16 | hardwire | weird |
| 23:27.24 | scanlime | so then your code would just become something like: |
| 23:27.33 | scanlime | i1 += x - output |
| 23:27.36 | scanlime | i2 += i1 - output |
| 23:27.48 | hardwire | so I would check for the bit just past 0x7fff |
| 23:27.52 | scanlime | output = (i2 & 0x8000) ? 0xFFFF : 0x0000 |
| 23:27.59 | scanlime | the word you're searching for is 0x8000 ;) |
| 23:28.06 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:28.08 | hardwire | lol |
| 23:28.39 | scanlime | so, now there are only two places in your code that you care at all about the particular fixed-point encoding you chose: |
| 23:29.00 | scanlime | that one quantizing operation, and whatever generates your input values |
| 23:29.15 | hardwire | give me a sec to grok what output = |
| 23:29.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:29.24 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt: start a document on how to render a bzflag world, including all the little whackass things the rendere does ( who came up with 9.42 for a texture repeat? ) |
| 23:29.49 | hardwire | >>> 0x8000 & 0x8000 |
| 23:29.49 | hardwire | 32768 |
| 23:29.49 | hardwire | >>> 0x1000 & 0x8000 |
| 23:29.49 | hardwire | 0 |
| 23:29.49 | hardwire | >>> 0x8800 & 0x8000 |
| 23:29.50 | hardwire | 32768 |
| 23:29.52 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:29.52 | scanlime | so, all that like is doing is quantizing your 'ideal' output value by converting it to the nearest value your hardware is capable of representing |
| 23:29.56 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:29.58 | scanlime | s/like/line/ |
| 23:30.22 | hardwire | I nwever understood the ? |
| 23:30.43 | hardwire | if its not 0 use the first as the answer |
| 23:30.49 | scanlime | that's a C operator. a = b ? c : d is shorthand for if (b) a=c; else a=d; |
| 23:31.17 | scanlime | right |
| 23:31.20 | hardwire | interesting. |
| 23:31.24 | hardwire | very.. very.. interesting. |
| 23:31.34 | scanlime | it's called the ternary operator (which just means it has 3 arguments- but it's the only one) and it's just a way of embedding conditionals in an expression |
| 23:31.43 | hardwire | so output will always be 0x0000 or 0xFFFF |
| 23:31.51 | scanlime | right |
| 23:31.55 | hardwire | I missed that somewhere.. |
| 23:32.02 | hardwire | I know it was true/false earlier |
| 23:32.07 | scanlime | but the important part is that now 'output' is always in the same coordinates as 'x' |
| 23:32.16 | hardwire | never wandering |
| 23:32.22 | hardwire | like it was for me |
| 23:32.35 | hardwire | the tail end of the wave dithered funny |
| 23:32.37 | scanlime | heh. that was just an implementation choice, it's not important |
| 23:32.52 | scanlime | tail? |
| 23:33.13 | scanlime | what data type are you storing all this in? |
| 23:33.14 | hardwire | after the sin wave faded down back to 0 from 65535 |
| 23:33.22 | hardwire | it was non uniform at all with the fade in |
| 23:33.37 | hardwire | err |
| 23:33.43 | hardwire | damnit my lunch needs to kick in |
| 23:33.53 | hardwire | my eyes are crossing.. this is no good. |
| 23:35.00 | scanlime | you're using at least signed 32-bit integers, right? |
| 23:36.46 | hardwire | longs for the integrators |
| 23:36.51 | hardwire | unsigned int for ds_output |
| 23:37.05 | scanlime | and x? |
| 23:37.20 | hardwire | x is an unsigned int .. but not able to go past 65535 |
| 23:37.27 | scanlime | ok |
| 23:37.36 | scanlime | when you subtract x and ds_output... |
| 23:37.42 | scanlime | you'll be doing an unsigned subtraction |
| 23:38.01 | scanlime | it probably doesn't matter |
| 23:38.12 | scanlime | but you should really just use int for everything |
| 23:38.16 | hardwire | state = output ? 0 : 1 |
| 23:38.24 | hardwire | since 0 is lit.. 1 os unlit |
| 23:38.26 | scanlime | state = output & 1 |
| 23:38.28 | hardwire | os/is |
| 23:38.32 | hardwire | wow |
| 23:38.34 | hardwire | thats cool |
| 23:38.49 | hardwire | but still I need it reversed. |
| 23:38.57 | scanlime | state = !output |
| 23:39.17 | hardwire | my brain just farted |
| 23:39.33 | hardwire | even if output = 0xffff that will give you 0 and 1? |
| 23:39.34 | ChipX86 | cute. I think the gcc wrapper script is broken |
| 23:39.41 | ChipX86 | but not for everyone |
| 23:39.41 | scanlime | hardwire: yes |
| 23:39.49 | hardwire | hah |
| 23:39.51 | hardwire | wowsers |
| 23:40.02 | hardwire | and these things just come naturally to you then>? |
| 23:40.16 | scanlime | in fact, (x?0:1) and (!x) should be exactly identical in pretty much any situation :P |
| 23:40.25 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:40.29 | hardwire | so I wasn't soo far off my rocker |
| 23:40.29 | scanlime | hardwire: I've been writing C code for a long time... |
| 23:40.35 | hardwire | yeh |
| 23:40.37 | hardwire | geek |
| 23:40.41 | scanlime | about 10 years |
| 23:40.54 | scanlime | a little longer |
| 23:41.13 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9204 10motion/py/ (Dance/Sequence.py shuffle.py): Rename _Frame to Frame. |
| 23:41.48 | purple_cow | darth_mall: ohhh, i should probably be working on that... |
| 23:41.54 | hardwire | wow.. it like worked. |
| 23:42.15 | scanlime | yay |
| 23:42.32 | scanlime | congrats, hardwire |
| 23:43.13 | hardwire | going to map it to the LED real quick |
| 23:43.19 | hardwire | visualizing this via syslog is hard |
| 23:43.20 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9205 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: Allow creation of a Frame from a single dictionary of bones. |
| 23:43.47 | ChipX86 | hah! very misleading error. It's finding the compiler just fine |
| 23:44.29 | darth_mall | purple_cow: gimme about 5 minutes and you'll be able to insert frames |
| 23:45.00 | hardwire | oops |
| 23:45.23 | purple_cow | darth_mall: cool |
| 23:46.05 | hardwire | heh.. the ds modulator didn't work.. I bet its my data |
| 23:47.22 | scanlime | it'd be nice if you could just map the thing's input to a knob or slider somewhere... |
| 23:47.31 | scanlime | for testing |
| 23:48.18 | hardwire | I did |
| 23:48.26 | scanlime | I'm still kinda concerned about this 'pattern' you're storing |
| 23:48.28 | hardwire | for the python version I had a progress bar via pygtk |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9206 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: Create an insert method for sequences. The data to be inserted can either be a |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: Frame instance or a dictionary of bones. |
| 23:48.47 | hardwire | I would give you the pygtk code |
| 23:48.48 | hardwire | to see it |
| 23:48.54 | hardwire | but I wouldn't dare |
| 23:48.56 | scanlime | :) |
| 23:49.16 | hardwire | its just 0-65535 in a sweep up |
| 23:49.19 | hardwire | then it goes back to 0 |
| 23:49.23 | zak|gone | scanlime: pounce!~ |
| 23:49.35 | zak|gone | slimspace: what size tshirt does the tessling wear? |
| 23:49.46 | scanlime | hiya zak! |
| 23:49.56 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9207 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: Note to self about some error checking. |
| 23:50.06 | hardwire | scanlime: as the speed goes up (0-255) it just steps through the pattern at position+speed |
| 23:50.11 | scanlime | zak|gone: I have chocolate covered espresso beans! |
| 23:50.14 | darth_mall | and on that note, I go home |
| 23:50.20 | scanlime | hardwire: that's wrong |
| 23:50.26 | darth_mall | I played them for you forever ago! |
| 23:50.27 | hardwire | scanlime: it works well |
| 23:50.29 | scanlime | hardwire: get rid of the pattern |
| 23:50.40 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah, i just didn't really pay attention until now |
| 23:50.41 | purple_cow | they's good |
| 23:50.43 | scanlime | hardwire: leave the DS modulator running continuously, use a sine lookup table for the input |
| 23:50.48 | darth_mall | purple_cow: if you need anything else out of the Sequences let me know |
| 23:50.51 | ChipX86 | ah-HA! |
| 23:50.56 | hardwire | scanlime: it basically is a sine lookup table. |
| 23:51.01 | scanlime | hardwire: so call it one! |
| 23:51.08 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i don't think so. if you want to help out further, you could write a downsample util |
| 23:51.09 | hardwire | but its not supposed to just be a sine lookup |
| 23:51.21 | hardwire | its supposed to be a pre-rendered pattern that I can replace |
| 23:51.28 | scanlime | mmkay... |
| 23:51.37 | hardwire | non mathmatically.. you know how I am with maaath |
| 23:51.40 | scanlime | so you're storing those 16-bit modulator inputs in this pattern table? |
| 23:51.50 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt: add in info for the texture orientation of box roof and floor and the fact that they don't point the same way at all. |
| 23:51.59 | hardwire | scanlime: yes |
| 23:52.02 | scanlime | k |
| 23:52.03 | hardwire | its not dithered |
| 23:52.19 | hardwire | I want whoever uses this to be able to publish a heartbeat pattern |
| 23:52.21 | hardwire | so on |
| 23:52.42 | scanlime | ok. that'd be handy to have an ioctl somewhere you can use to upload patterns |
| 23:52.45 | hardwire | only one thing.. as the speed goes up.. it increses the brightness.. to eliminate flicker |
| 23:53.04 | scanlime | wha? |
| 23:53.07 | hardwire | scanlime: there is going to be an ioctl and a char device |
| 23:53.25 | hardwire | scanlime: if I step through any sine wave that fast.. it wil go from 0-255 too quick |
| 23:53.41 | hardwire | if I do that at certain hz its basically half the brightness of the LED at full on |
| 23:53.47 | hardwire | so I compensated just for this program |
| 23:53.56 | ChipX86 | it amazes me that this ever worked for anyone |
| 23:54.36 | hardwire | as the speed goes up.. assuming its to imply a higher value or urgency.. the led stays brighter |
| 23:55.06 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:55.17 | scanlime | maybe you should give the userspace code separate control over speed and brightness |
| 23:55.22 | scanlime | also, how are you changing the brightness? |
| 23:55.36 | hardwire | I have yet to find a scanlime compliant way of doing that |
| 23:55.45 | scanlime | heh. how are you doing it? |
| 23:55.58 | hardwire | assuming brightness and speed are the same.. 0-255 |
| 23:56.32 | scanlime | right.. but I was curious how you were applying the brightness to the stored pattern |
| 23:56.39 | hardwire | its patternvalue += speed * (255) |
| 23:56.43 | hardwire | somethign to that effect |
| 23:56.59 | hardwire | no its speed * 128 |
| 23:57.02 | hardwire | then it clips it |
| 23:57.03 | scanlime | ok.. |
| 23:57.09 | scanlime | so you aren't actually changing the brightness |
| 23:57.10 | hardwire | I haven't found a good way of doing that + the clip in your binary mooode |
| 23:57.22 | scanlime | you're applying a brightness offset |
| 23:57.25 | hardwire | scanlime: no.. I am making sure the value I get from the pattern has a minimum value basically |
| 23:57.58 | scanlime | are you sure that's what you want? the pattern itself is going to be less visible |
| 23:58.09 | scanlime | this is like saying you're making a painting brighter by painting it white |
| 23:58.11 | hardwire | it looks less chaotic at 250hz |
| 23:58.25 | scanlime | you probably want to multiply brightness by the pattern value |
| 23:58.48 | hardwire | I thoought I was |
| 23:58.56 | scanlime | no.. you're adding |
| 23:59.05 | hardwire | ohfudge |
| 23:59.13 | scanlime | you want a fixed-point multiply |
| 23:59.25 | hardwire | << ? |
| 23:59.28 | scanlime | let's continue this 16.16 fixed point you're doing |
| 23:59.29 | scanlime | no |
| 23:59.35 | purple_cow | ChipX86: is there documentation for libnotify anywhere? |
| 23:59.48 | ChipX86 | not really |
| 23:59.55 | ChipX86 | except in the source |
