| 00:00.57 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 00:01.01 | purple_cow | 2.6.14 has hdaps |
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| 00:08.54 | scanlime | hdaps? |
| 00:09.35 | purple_cow | "hard drive active protection system" |
| 00:09.44 | scanlime | oooh, yes |
| 00:09.45 | purple_cow | 2-axis accelerometer built into ibm laptops |
| 00:09.49 | scanlime | I need a laptop with that |
| 00:09.49 | numist | ~emulate stewie |
| 00:09.51 | jbot | I come bearing a gift. I'll give you a hint. It's in my diaper, and it's not a toaster. |
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| 00:38.12 | purple_cow | darth_mall: me too ^^ |
| 00:38.18 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:38.42 | purple_cow | woo! |
| 00:38.42 | purple_cow | vmware-config.pl ran without hanging my machine! |
| 00:38.43 | scanlime | hehe |
| 00:38.46 | scanlime | always handy |
| 00:39.00 | file[laptop] | software behaving like it's supposed to? unheard of! |
| 00:39.00 | ChipX86 | here's a trick: |
| 00:39.01 | darth_mall | purple_cow: obviously you rock |
| 00:39.03 | ChipX86 | vmware-config.pl --default |
| 00:39.14 | ChipX86 | much easier |
| 00:39.27 | scanlime | I just have a shell script to set up the drivers and device nodes and everything |
| 00:41.08 | ChipX86 | scanlime: JayPee wanted to know if you're going tonight |
| 00:41.41 | scanlime | yeah, I think so |
| 00:42.40 | scanlime | so.. I think I'm going to need sparse files for CIA's new message db format |
| 00:42.55 | scanlime | should be really efficient to read, but possibly annoying to back up |
| 00:42.55 | ChipX86 | why is it that the file that contains main or the equivalent of main is always the biggest, messiest file in the codebase? |
| 00:43.04 | scanlime | I'll need to use a version of tar or something that understands sparse files |
| 00:43.11 | darth_mall | scanlime: I still vote for Perl, Java, and XML |
| 00:43.22 | scanlime | ChipX86: it isn't in a really well-designed program :P |
| 00:43.43 | ChipX86 | this is all very old code |
| 00:43.51 | ChipX86 | converting a ton of it to C++ and cleaning it up right now |
| 00:43.55 | ChipX86 | it's been this way far too long |
| 00:44.10 | ChipX86 | brb |
| 00:44.15 | hardwire | file: I really need inband volume normalization based on the target |
| 00:44.20 | hardwire | can you integrate that int oPBX? |
| 00:44.25 | file[laptop] | hardwire: 42 |
| 00:44.29 | hardwire | cause that would make my life really easy |
| 00:44.31 | hardwire | just for PCM |
| 00:44.33 | hardwire | nothing else |
| 00:44.45 | hardwire | file[laptop]: are you saying you don't know what the question is? |
| 00:45.46 | file[laptop] | hardwire: lalala |
| 00:46.36 | hardwire | are you high? |
| 00:46.50 | darth_mall | hardwire: no, just dumb |
| 00:47.04 | ChipX86 | back |
| 00:47.08 | darth_mall | yay |
| 00:49.29 | scanlime | really kinda odd going over the hiring process this soon after I was on the other side of it |
| 00:49.39 | ChipX86 | I bet |
| 00:49.40 | ChipX86 | which Rob? |
| 00:49.45 | scanlime | baesman |
| 00:49.50 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 00:49.53 | ChipX86 | I didn't know about that |
| 00:50.17 | scanlime | it was right after the hosted meeting today |
| 00:50.22 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 00:50.27 | ChipX86 | oh well |
| 00:50.34 | ChipX86 | I'm sitting in on them with him sometimes |
| 00:50.35 | ChipX86 | oh yeah |
| 00:50.40 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: has VMware contacted you? |
| 00:51.01 | scanlime | he got the smoke test already |
| 00:51.10 | scanlime | this morning |
| 00:51.12 | darth_mall | SMOKE |
| 00:51.14 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 00:51.21 | ChipX86 | Philip's doing his next one I'm told |
| 00:51.24 | darth_mall | SMOKE |
| 00:51.28 | scanlime | nice |
| 00:51.35 | ChipX86 | did Jocelyn do the smoke test? |
| 00:51.45 | darth_mall | are ya smokin' yet? |
| 00:51.48 | numist | smoke test? |
| 00:51.58 | hardwire | how do you smoke a virtual machine |
| 00:52.05 | ChipX86 | hardwire: I do it all the time |
| 00:52.06 | numist | oh that parts easy |
| 00:52.14 | hardwire | ChipX86: whats virtual magic smoke look like? |
| 00:52.21 | ChipX86 | core dump |
| 00:52.48 | purple_cow | ChipX86: wendy cutler |
| 00:52.49 | file[laptop] | I do lots of core development, in fact I just have LOTS of core dumps all over my box. |
| 00:52.52 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: ahhh, ok |
| 00:52.55 | scanlime | http://navi.cx/~micah/usb-fyre-cluster.jpeg |
| 00:52.59 | ChipX86 | go okay for you? |
| 00:53.03 | purple_cow | yep |
| 00:53.05 | scanlime | notice the very brightly lit USB icon >:) |
| 00:53.06 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 00:53.13 | scanlime | and disabled ethernet |
| 00:53.18 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 00:53.26 | purple_cow | took about a minute of her fishing before i figured out she wanted to hear "LIFO," but other than that, all the questions were trivial |
| 00:53.46 | ChipX86 | the fishing is common |
| 00:53.50 | ChipX86 | interviewing is no fun |
| 00:53.55 | ChipX86 | or rather, being interviewed |
| 00:54.35 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 00:54.41 | purple_cow | hdaps is just giving me a constant value... |
| 00:54.43 | hardwire | scanlime: fyre-usb-cluster? |
| 00:54.49 | scanlime | ? |
| 00:54.49 | ChipX86 | what did I break... |
| 00:54.55 | numist | purple_cow: what kinds of questions? |
| 00:54.56 | darth_mall | hardwire: he's making s'mores at work |
| 00:54.58 | hardwire | scanlime: you mean usb ethernet? |
| 00:55.07 | hardwire | was used |
| 00:55.09 | scanlime | hardwire: netgear usb-ethernet dongle |
| 00:55.12 | hardwire | ah |
| 00:55.25 | hardwire | I thought you came up with a host-to-host way of distributing fyre processing via USB |
| 00:55.29 | hardwire | that sounded odd |
| 00:56.03 | purple_cow | numist: loser-filter CS questions |
| 00:56.03 | numist | hey scanlime, your version of vmware tools is out of date >_> |
| 00:56.11 | numist | purple_cow: righteo then |
| 00:56.25 | numist | purple_cow: numbers in hex, endian, stuff like that? |
| 00:56.27 | scanlime | numist: yeah, I never bother compiling that crap ;) |
| 00:56.51 | numist | hehe |
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| 00:57.06 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:57.12 | purple_cow | how many bits in an int, some simple time complexity, data structures, etc |
| 00:57.14 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 00:57.15 | jbot | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 00:57.22 | numist | how many bits in an int? :o |
| 00:57.30 | ChipX86 | there's got to be at least 2 |
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| 00:57.39 | numist | ChipX86: in a signed int, maybe |
| 00:57.41 | purple_cow | numist: well, that was the first question |
| 00:57.46 | hardwire | http://www.edubuntu.org/ |
| 00:57.47 | hardwire | cute logo |
| 00:57.49 | ChipX86 | numist: signed ints have negative bits |
| 00:57.53 | numist | and you said 'implementation dependant?' |
| 00:58.00 | numist | ChipX86: thats what I mean.. unsigned can be one bit int |
| 00:58.34 | scanlime | purple_cow: did the HR people test whether you're 64-bit clean? :P |
| 00:58.38 | purple_cow | i think i prefaced my answer with "it depends, but..." |
| 00:58.44 | numist | nice |
| 00:58.50 | darth_mall | scanlime: 64-bit clean? |
| 00:58.51 | scanlime | hehe |
| 00:58.59 | numist | I'm 64-bit dirrrty |
| 00:59.00 | scanlime | I think they gave me the exact same questions |
| 00:59.15 | scanlime | I remember going off on how it might be 16, 32, or 64 bits on common architectures... |
| 00:59.17 | darth_mall | numist: you are dirty |
| 00:59.21 | scanlime | they were fishing for 32 |
| 00:59.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:59.29 | numist | for sure |
| 00:59.31 | ChipX86 | I don't think I got that quesiton |
| 00:59.39 | ChipX86 | though I can't remember what questions I had |
| 01:00.31 | darth_mall | ChipX86: they probably asked, "on a scale of 10 to infinity, how hot are you?" |
| 01:00.37 | purple_cow | man i love it when i see people with an Ex-Chat quit message |
| 01:00.47 | numist | purple_cow: Ive been seeing quite a few around :) |
| 01:00.53 | purple_cow | George W. Bush: great president? or greatest? |
| 01:01.01 | darth_mall | best interview question evar |
| 01:01.02 | scanlime | wow, it got late |
| 01:01.07 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: they like negative numbers I guess |
| 01:01.08 | numist | it did |
| 01:01.16 | numist | actually, its not late yet, but it did get dark |
| 01:02.44 | scanlime | it's a good thing windows XP is setting a system restore point |
| 01:02.49 | scanlime | especially since I just snapshotted this VM |
| 01:02.52 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 01:03.03 | numist | yep, wouldnt want to lose your changes now |
| 01:03.15 | darth_mall | por que? |
| 01:03.28 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: thanks for reminding me. I need to do that |
| 01:03.48 | purple_cow | darth_mall: to fiddle with vmware |
| 01:03.53 | darth_mall | ah |
| 01:04.03 | scanlime | make sure to play with USB a lot ;) |
| 01:04.04 | ChipX86 | could get prebuilt VMs! :) |
| 01:04.09 | purple_cow | also, i want to get gnome-screensaver and NetworkManager running, for xchat-gnomeey stuff |
| 01:04.30 | purple_cow | and gentoo is being a pita for those |
| 01:04.34 | scanlime | slimspace: xinerama? |
| 01:04.41 | slimspace | scanlime: yup |
| 01:04.46 | scanlime | nod |
| 01:04.57 | slimspace | fullscreen mode with xinerama. Pretty neat |
| 01:05.12 | scanlime | that sort of thing should Just Work.. though it'd be nice if the host got info on the real monitors so you don't end up with dialog boxes plopped down between screens |
| 01:05.17 | scanlime | s/host/guest/ |
| 01:05.31 | slimspace | yeah, I was just going to comment that I wish Windows knew that there were 3 screens |
| 01:05.48 | scanlime | it's a common feature request |
| 01:05.49 | slimspace | didn't handle my weird geometry too well though |
| 01:07.06 | ChipX86 | just called my apartment complex |
| 01:07.16 | ChipX86 | according to them, my package didn't come |
| 01:07.22 | darth_mall | boo |
| 01:07.23 | ChipX86 | which doesn't surprise me at all |
| 01:07.29 | ChipX86 | but it does piss me off |
| 01:08.05 | file[laptop] | I wish you luck in the future with electronics and purchases |
| 01:08.15 | numist | its unlikely to help, but I wish you luck too |
| 01:08.29 | ChipX86 | there's a chance it could be at my door and they never left it at the office |
| 01:08.42 | file[laptop] | well you'll see when you get home. |
| 01:08.44 | ChipX86 | but it's supposed to be DHL I think, and they said they didn't see a DHL truck arrive today |
| 01:08.48 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:08.50 | ChipX86 | we'll see |
| 01:13.36 | purple_cow | waiting for your 770? |
| 01:13.52 | ChipX86 | my laptop |
| 01:13.59 | ChipX86 | the 770 will take a while |
| 01:14.03 | ChipX86 | but probably before my laptop ;) |
| 01:14.16 | purple_cow | ohhh, laptop |
| 01:14.17 | purple_cow | :D |
| 01:14.22 | purple_cow | good luck |
| 01:15.27 | slimspace | hmm...didn't realize I had Windows running when I last suspended my laptop |
| 01:20.49 | scanlime | wow |
| 01:21.04 | scanlime | windows really doesn't like having two ethernet cards on the same LAN segment |
| 01:23.51 | numist | how much does it not like it |
| 01:24.08 | purple_cow | scanlime: nothing does really |
| 01:24.13 | scanlime | purple_cow: yeah |
| 01:24.27 | scanlime | it seems to be pinging back and forth, screwing up traffic between my two boxes |
| 01:24.33 | purple_cow | unless you've got some crazy bonding thing set up |
| 01:24.41 | purple_cow | in which case isn't only a little grumpy |
| 01:26.28 | scanlime | so I have this crazy simple idea for storing CIA messages |
| 01:26.56 | scanlime | it will involve message IDs being simply an offset into a UTF-8 sparse file :) |
| 01:27.07 | kergoth | dont need bonding to make that happy. can set up a multihop policy route to load balance traffic to the lan across the nic's at a per session level |
| 01:27.09 | scanlime | so every time your commit, your message ID actually increases by roughly the number of bytes in the message |
| 01:27.14 | kergoth | just an 'ip' command or two |
| 01:27.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:27.47 | scanlime | kergoth: you miss the point. I had a USB ethernet adaptor on my host, connected to a VM. VM powers off, it connects to the host. Oops, the host now has two interfaces on the same switch. |
| 01:28.06 | ChipX86 | ick |
| 01:28.18 | scanlime | hilarity ensues when synergy stops forwarding mouse events because my LAN segment is clogged |
| 01:28.54 | ChipX86 | Police get into a standoff with a man accused of statutory rape. Rather uninteresting until the bomb-robot, exploding microwaved aerosol can, and an impromptu nap come into play |
| 01:29.29 | kergoth | i guess i'm still missing the point, since i see no problem with that. i can go plug two interfaces into the same switch just fine, as long as they have different macs |
| 01:30.20 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 01:30.31 | ChipX86 | they're going to make Mr. Potato Head thinner and stronger-looking |
| 01:30.39 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:30.44 | ChipX86 | because being fat is bad! |
| 01:30.45 | hardwire | ugh |
| 01:30.54 | hardwire | the accounting package my office wants to use for my ISp |
| 01:30.58 | hardwire | is a construction package |
| 01:31.02 | purple_cow | lean mean tater machine |
| 01:31.08 | hardwire | I am starting to think I am working with the wrong people |
| 01:31.19 | kergoth | ChipX86: how long do you think itll take em to start promoting skinny santas. santa who exercises a few times a week |
| 01:31.27 | ChipX86 | kergoth: ugh |
| 01:31.31 | ChipX86 | it'll happen |
| 01:31.38 | kergoth | :( |
| 01:32.14 | scanlime | kergoth: this is windows. It starts doing something automatically that causes a lot of traffic between the interfaces |
| 01:32.15 | darth_mall | maybe instead of creating health conscious characters for kids, they should teach parents not to raise their children with the TV |
| 01:32.29 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:32.39 | hardwire | kergoth: the only skinny santa I can think of was in Bad Santa |
| 01:32.48 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 01:32.50 | kergoth | scanlime: well, yeah, my comment was directed at purple_cow's "nothing does" comment, more so than yours |
| 01:32.55 | kergoth | hardwire: heh |
| 01:32.57 | darth_mall | that movie made me wish I were dead |
| 01:32.58 | kergoth | never did see that |
| 01:33.05 | hardwire | its fucking wonderfull |
| 01:33.52 | ChipX86 | I never saw it |
| 01:34.03 | hardwire | it has some very fun dialog |
| 01:34.30 | hardwire | wow |
| 01:34.35 | hardwire | my machine doesn't have swap |
| 01:34.40 | hardwire | that may explain a few things |
| 01:34.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:36.22 | scanlime | ChipX86: oh, this denny's is really close to my apartment. Convenient :) |
| 01:36.26 | hardwire | slowness while compiling.. running a uml and doing some other stuff |
| 01:36.28 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:36.34 | darth_mall | yay Denny's |
| 01:36.40 | scanlime | about the same distance as the caltrain station actually |
| 01:37.46 | scanlime | must be balancing my productivity from yesterday... |
| 01:37.47 | file[laptop] | scanlime: welcome to the club |
| 01:37.48 | hardwire | join the club |
| 01:37.57 | hardwire | jinx |
| 01:38.02 | hardwire | I .. uh.. owe you a pop |
| 01:38.31 | file[laptop] | hardwire: can I exchange it for a slice of pizza? |
| 01:38.36 | hardwire | oh |
| 01:38.37 | ChipX86 | you're going to punch him? |
| 01:38.39 | hardwire | you make me want to be fat |
| 01:38.53 | hardwire | I wan't pizza now like a mother cow needs a milking |
| 01:39.02 | ChipX86 | want, not wan't |
| 01:39.21 | hardwire | did I miss something? |
| 01:39.26 | numist | you abuse punctuation, you lose |
| 01:39.29 | hardwire | ah |
| 01:39.30 | numist | want is not a contraction |
| 01:39.31 | hardwire | hehe |
| 01:39.42 | hardwire | I wannit pizza. |
| 01:39.47 | hardwire | I abbreviated.. big whoop |
| 01:39.49 | hardwire | :) |
| 01:39.55 | numist | .. |
| 01:39.57 | numist | WHOOP |
| 01:40.03 | file[laptop] | woot! |
| 01:40.04 | numist | ^^ that is a big whoop |
| 01:40.19 | ChipX86 | odd that "won't" is "will not" |
| 01:40.27 | ChipX86 | something is very wrong with our language |
| 01:42.14 | ChipX86 | wtf is wrong with this code |
| 01:42.50 | scanlime | ChipX86: wanna leave 6ish? |
| 01:42.54 | ChipX86 | sounds good |
| 01:42.59 | ChipX86 | nothing is working anywya |
| 01:43.03 | numist | ouch, blackbox has a tendency to reuin my ui |
| 01:43.05 | numist | ruin* |
| 01:43.28 | numist | 0_o |
| 01:44.25 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:44.26 | ChipX86 | he's trying to get me to read black magic |
| 01:44.39 | scanlime | oh my |
| 01:44.44 | hardwire | well thats not good work morale.. here.. read a spell |
| 01:45.00 | scanlime | Chris (a different one I assume) just sent me his ginormous 7-part review |
| 01:45.02 | ChipX86 | 9 and counting |
| 01:45.14 | ChipX86 | I'm talking Chris Li |
| 01:45.15 | scanlime | oh, 11... |
| 01:45.15 | ChipX86 | 12 |
| 01:45.19 | scanlime | oh, he sent it to hosted-solutions |
| 01:45.20 | scanlime | wow |
| 01:45.30 | scanlime | wonder if that was a mistake |
| 01:45.32 | ChipX86 | EHCI changes |
| 01:45.33 | ChipX86 | no |
| 01:45.41 | ChipX86 | he sent an e-mail before saying to beware, here it comes |
| 01:46.10 | scanlime | hehe |
| 01:46.21 | scanlime | To: Micah Dowty Cc: Hosted solutions; monitor-list |
| 01:46.31 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:46.32 | scanlime | no usb-sensei? |
| 01:46.45 | scanlime | guess I have my work cut out for me tomorrow.. and the rest of this month |
| 01:46.50 | ChipX86 | and alias names |
| 01:46.52 | darth_mall | usb stealth ninj4! |
| 01:46.58 | zak|gone | hmmm. amusing |
| 01:47.31 | zak|gone | it's really old ^_^ |
| 01:47.40 | scanlime | :) |
| 01:47.43 | scanlime | hiya jen |
| 01:48.14 | ChipX86 | vmkcoredump :) |
| 01:48.22 | zak|gone | they looked at my .cx domain and said 'sorry, we only ship to the US and Canada' |
| 01:48.24 | ChipX86 | storage-nanny |
| 01:48.32 | numist | nice, jen |
| 01:48.33 | ChipX86 | iSCSI idiots |
| 01:48.58 | zak|gone | darth_mall: sadly it is a name i got off a LOTR name generator |
| 01:49.05 | zak|gone | but i really liked it |
| 01:49.10 | zak|gone | so far as i know, it means nothing |
| 01:49.24 | zak|gone | scanlime: no comment? that was a you quote ^_^ |
| 01:49.47 | scanlime | zak|gone: oh, I guess it was |
| 01:49.48 | darth_mall | I wonder if my Tolkien Companion is in my room or at my parents' house... |
| 01:49.54 | scanlime | :) |
| 01:50.10 | ChipX86 | yay, code's working |
| 01:50.16 | zak|gone | darth_mall: if you can tell me what it means, I would be interested in knowing |
| 01:50.30 | zak|gone | scanlime: seems this is a log from when I first set up my website on navi |
| 01:50.31 | darth_mall | loth is "welcome" |
| 01:50.34 | hardwire | file: this is amazing |
| 01:50.42 | zak|gone | there is a lot of me bugging you on how to use html |
| 01:50.43 | darth_mall | or "welcome to" |
| 01:50.59 | hardwire | I downoaded a for resellers video from snom on how to fix the hook-switch stickyness issue |
| 01:51.05 | hardwire | it goes from taking the phone out of the box |
| 01:51.07 | hardwire | plugging it in |
| 01:51.09 | hardwire | watching it boot |
| 01:51.15 | hardwire | then.. violently smacking the shit out of it |
| 01:51.17 | hardwire | repacking it |
| 01:51.20 | hardwire | and sending it out |
| 01:51.45 | zak|gone | oh! i like the bit about lurgy|work being a level 5 penguin frightener |
| 01:51.47 | file[laptop] | that reminds me, atacomm is lowering his snom prices by like $70 soon |
| 01:51.56 | hardwire | wow |
| 01:51.57 | zak|gone | this must have been during the KOL obsession |
| 01:52.04 | hardwire | file[laptop]: I may have to switch to them then |
| 01:52.11 | scanlime | :) |
| 01:52.31 | darth_mall | ooh neat |
| 01:52.32 | scanlime | zak|gone: well, I should probably collect ChipX86 and head to this meeting before chris' code hurts my brain too much. I'll talk to you later :) |
| 01:52.38 | zak|gone | yep..we have a purple_cow quote: oooh, I'm a level 7, that means i can form my own clan. |
| 01:52.40 | darth_mall | Bruce is changing how papers are graded |
| 01:52.41 | zak|gone | with blackjack. |
| 01:52.43 | zak|gone | and hookers |
| 01:52.54 | zak|gone | scanlime: ttyl |
| 01:52.58 | scanlime | yay, blackjack |
| 01:53.00 | scanlime | and hookers |
| 01:53.18 | zak|gone | ChipX86: wait until he leaves |
| 01:53.22 | zak|gone | then make the joke ^_^ |
| 01:53.26 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:53.27 | scanlime | ChipX86: no cycles, I don't collect them |
| 01:54.20 | darth_mall | who wants to go down to the Fox on Nov. 22 and throw things at the Yellowcard fans? =D |
| 01:54.57 | zak|gone | ChipX86: wait minute then make joke, lol |
| 01:59.15 | zak|gone | ok, now ^_^ |
| 02:17.58 | hardwire | file: ugh.. abp sells PoE equipment.. but still asked me which they should go with. |
| 02:18.11 | hardwire | they must have one smart guy.. and a bunch of drones |
| 02:30.11 | Soph[work | Radiohead. |
| 02:30.32 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:30.58 | laodamas | Sir, I challenge you to fisticuffs! |
| 02:32.21 | Sophie197 | dude, I'm a chick |
| 02:32.37 | Sophie197 | but sure, I'll fight ya |
| 02:33.41 | laodamas | "Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder." |
| 02:42.07 | purple_cow | ohh |
| 02:42.10 | purple_cow | in the *help* menu |
| 02:42.12 | purple_cow | that makes sense |
| 02:42.27 | purple_cow | *ahem* |
| 02:51.18 | ChipX86 | that's not my fault! |
| 02:51.27 | ChipX86 | and we're going to, um, make everything perfect, eventually |
| 02:51.52 | Sophie197 | sweet |
| 02:52.04 | numist | grr the net install image at debian's site is broken, so I now have an unusable machine |
| 03:01.33 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 03:02.28 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2235 10galago-python/ (ChangeLog src/galago.defs src/galago.override): |
| 03:02.29 | CIA-5 | galago: - Wrapped galago_avatar_new and galago_photo_new, which are going away eventually anywya. |
| 03:02.30 | CIA-5 | galago: - Fixed a call to a non-existant function in _wrap_galago_person_set_property. |
| 03:02.32 | CIA-5 | galago: - Wrapped galago_person_me_new(). |
| 03:04.03 | scanlime | oh no, galago |
| 03:06.30 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (i=pagefaul@toronto-HSE-ppp4045104.sympatico.ca) |
| 03:06.31 | file | eep |
| 03:06.32 | pagefault | taco |
| 03:06.33 | file | further eep! |
| 03:07.29 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 03:07.39 | purple_cow | lookit ubuntu booting, in 256-color 640x480 glory |
| 03:14.56 | file | pagefault: how's life? |
| 03:15.06 | pagefault | great |
| 03:15.07 | pagefault | you? |
| 03:15.12 | file | not bad |
| 03:15.16 | numist | purple_cow: I had to live with that with my glorious 4mb video card :( |
| 03:17.10 | numist | this is stupid |
| 03:17.30 | numist | I let the installer partition the disk itself, and it didnt leave enough room on / (which contained /bin) for the base system, so it failed |
| 03:17.33 | numist | ugh |
| 03:18.26 | purple_cow | http://stephencooks.com/ |
| 03:18.33 | purple_cow | that bread pudding looks seriously awesome |
| 03:34.33 | numist | speaking of which, ChipX86, could I get a copy of that vm? |
| 03:34.39 | ChipX86 | I don't have it |
| 03:34.44 | ChipX86 | I need a copy first :) |
| 03:34.47 | numist | I know, but you can procure it, no? |
| 03:34.49 | numist | :) |
| 03:35.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 03:37.45 | purple_cow | what vm? |
| 03:38.18 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2236 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-dbus.c): g_return_val_if_fail in galago_dbus_message_iter_get_object() if the iterator has reached the end of the message. |
| 03:38.47 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: Windows 1.0 |
| 03:38.49 | numist | purple_cow: windows 1.0 |
| 03:52.40 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 03:52.44 | purple_cow | i think i just crashed vmware |
| 03:52.56 | ChipX86 | how? |
| 03:52.57 | file[laptop] | sweet |
| 03:53.19 | purple_cow | i clicked on the network icon thingy at the bottom |
| 03:53.20 | ChipX86 | sure your box isn't fubar? I mean, vmware-config.pl, a perl script, crashed your box |
| 03:53.24 | purple_cow | and it disappeared |
| 03:53.28 | purple_cow | ChipX86: that was a kernel problem |
| 03:53.31 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 03:53.36 | ChipX86 | 5.5? |
| 03:53.41 | purple_cow | 5.0 right now, i think |
| 03:53.44 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 03:53.50 | ChipX86 | 5.5 really is far more stable |
| 03:53.52 | file[laptop] | and the answer is... use 5.5 probably |
| 03:53.53 | ChipX86 | our bug count is very low |
| 03:54.19 | kergoth | bleh |
| 03:54.24 | file[laptop] | yay bug squasher ChipX86 |
| 03:55.05 | file[laptop] | kergoth: hanging in there? |
| 03:55.30 | purple_cow | hmm, not internet on the vm |
| 04:01.06 | purple_cow | yep, vmware is definitely nicer than the last time i used it |
| 04:01.20 | purple_cow | 'course, i think that was 1999 |
| 04:01.21 | purple_cow | but still |
| 04:06.23 | hardwire | yay |
| 04:06.27 | hardwire | g/f got a much higher paying job |
| 04:06.56 | *** join/#tacobeam rioter (n=rar@dsl-220-253-69-201.NSW.netspace.net.au) |
| 04:08.01 | file[laptop] | money is good |
| 04:15.45 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 04:21.07 | hardwire | you bet your little 8 bit ass it is |
| 04:21.21 | hardwire | ugh.. iax peering woes |
| 04:21.40 | hardwire | wow |
| 04:21.43 | hardwire | wasim is on the channel |
| 04:21.51 | file[laptop] | yup |
| 04:22.17 | file[laptop] | he tried to convince me to write him something... an MGCP UA channel driver... I promptly said no |
| 04:25.06 | hardwire | neat.. |
| 04:25.13 | file[laptop] | crazy guy |
| 04:25.21 | hardwire | I have some dialog going with him |
| 04:25.32 | hardwire | he had some interesting things to do with disaster relief in that area of course |
| 04:25.37 | file[laptop] | yeah |
| 04:25.42 | hardwire | apparently turning over a 100 seat call center to handle relief calls |
| 04:25.56 | lurgy | hmm, facebook is extra creepy now |
| 04:26.07 | numist | ? |
| 04:26.10 | numist | how so? |
| 04:26.48 | lurgy | now other people can post photos of you |
| 04:26.51 | lurgy | which wouldn't be so bad |
| 04:26.56 | lurgy | except that when they label that you're in it |
| 04:27.01 | lurgy | it gets associated with your profile |
| 04:27.11 | lurgy | and people can see it from your profile |
| 04:27.12 | lurgy | and you can't remove it |
| 04:27.12 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 04:27.38 | lurgy | so juuuuuuuuuuust in case someone was being stealthy with their choice of pictures on the web |
| 04:27.47 | lurgy | they can't really any more if anyone else decides to label their pictures ^_^ |
| 04:27.59 | lurgy | s/the web/facebook/ |
| 04:33.42 | lurgy | hmm |
| 04:33.43 | lurgy | candy |
| 04:33.46 | lurgy | erf |
| 04:34.01 | purple_cow | sore? |
| 04:36.16 | lurgy | i dunno why |
| 04:36.22 | lurgy | excess tension i suppose |
| 04:36.24 | lurgy | long week until now |
| 04:36.49 | scanlime | heh. This sync4j guy has the same $5 data plan i do |
| 05:03.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9178 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/about.c: apply Brian Pepple's license patch |
| 05:05.45 | purple_cow | sweet zombie jesus |
| 05:05.55 | purple_cow | i just read the worst sentence ever |
| 05:07.39 | purple_cow | ``Our postmodern, fragmented, global society is characterized by disappearing biological and cultural diversity; rampant ecological exploitation; rapid technological developments; consumerism; neocolonialism; Eurocentric hegemony; appropriation; misrepresentation; commodification; contested and reinvented identities, traditions, and histories; authentic reproductions; shifting/disappearing borders; military strife; overpopulation; biopiracy; inequities |
| 05:07.40 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.04 | nullpuppy | thats the best sentence EVAR! and with such perfect grammar! |
| 05:21.56 | purple_cow | technically the grammar is OK |
| 05:22.00 | purple_cow | but....*shudder* |
| 05:22.04 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 05:22.26 | nullpuppy | what was that in? |
| 05:23.07 | purple_cow | an article from the garland encyclopedia of world music |
| 05:24.00 | nullpuppy | dear lord |
| 05:24.20 | nullpuppy | the minimum requirements for HL2:lost coast are 2.2ghz and 1gb of ram |
| 05:24.23 | purple_cow | so yes, it's "scholarly" |
| 05:24.25 | nullpuppy | ah |
| 05:25.37 | kergoth | woot, the new version of the yatlas addon shows the player, and the mapnotes :D |
| 05:25.42 | kergoth | and has a 'goto player' button |
| 05:25.53 | nullpuppy | neat :) |
| 05:28.40 | nullpuppy | http://bash.org/?573260 |
| 05:29.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:30.21 | kergoth | the new monkeyquest is rather odd. they include ttfs and changed a couple fonts |
| 06:28.44 | kergoth | fucking son of a bitch |
| 06:28.51 | kergoth | every time i go into this area of brd, wow crashes |
| 06:29.00 | kergoth | has to be cedega related, works fine in windows |
| 06:32.54 | purple_cow | hey look, darth_mall replied to daniel |
| 06:36.11 | scanlime | wow |
| 06:36.17 | scanlime | kergoth is cooler than all of KDE, CIA told me so |
| 06:36.57 | purple_cow | ? |
| 06:37.09 | scanlime | look at the front page |
| 06:37.42 | purple_cow | cooler than everything! |
| 06:38.09 | scanlime | so I've been pondering new data storage formats for CIA |
| 06:38.34 | scanlime | I'd really like to make the "N commits in the last X <time unit>" stuff work on a sliding window, rather than discrete rollovers |
| 06:38.46 | scanlime | so instead of all the commits today vs all the commits yesterday, you'd continuously see commits for the last 24 hours |
| 06:38.48 | purple_cow | rb-trees, in XML! |
| 06:38.56 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:39.03 | scanlime | so.. there are several ways I could do this efficiently |
| 06:39.40 | scanlime | but the one I like the best is to just have a data structure I store the timestamps for every commit a project ever gets.. with an efficient way to, given timestamp N, look up the index of the next commit |
| 06:39.58 | scanlime | by performing two lookups and subtracting the indices, I get the number of commits that took place during any time interval |
| 06:40.23 | purple_cow | just make sure there's lots of XML |
| 06:40.24 | scanlime | that furthermore means that I can do interval queries for every column in a graph and generate some purdy history images |
| 06:40.27 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:40.40 | scanlime | if by lots of XML you mean a single 32-bit integer |
| 06:43.36 | purple_cow | scanlime: i like purdy images |
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| 06:48.43 | scanlime | er, python |
| 06:49.00 | numist | you arent really doing CIA in C, are you? |
| 06:49.12 | scanlime | well |
| 06:49.20 | scanlime | I might write small speed-critical parts in C |
| 06:49.39 | scanlime | I'd really rather not crawl a heap and generate histogram images in python |
| 06:50.01 | scanlime | so I might be writing the low-level code for CIA's new data backends in C |
| 06:50.43 | scanlime | but I'll start with a python prototype.. and maybe that will be fast enough as-is |
| 06:51.35 | scanlime | hmm |
| 06:51.52 | scanlime | this data structure I have in mind is almost like a flattened append-only B*-tree |
| 06:52.04 | scanlime | that stores a dictionary with keys but no values :) |
| 06:54.16 | purple_cow | guh |
| 06:54.21 | purple_cow | i wish the gtk radio button API didn't suck |
| 06:57.01 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9179 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/preferences-page-effects.c: more work on the effects page |
| 06:58.22 | scanlime | hmmm |
| 06:59.09 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9180 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/preferences-dialog.glade: set range on transparency slider |
| 06:59.36 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 06:59.46 | purple_cow | it seems like every other quit message over on gimpnet is "Ex-Chat" :D |
| 06:59.57 | scanlime | this tree will only ever have 2 levels, unless a project manages to have over 1 million commits |
| 07:00.51 | scanlime | well, if I use 4-byte timestamps |
| 07:01.04 | scanlime | gotta worry about y2038 yaknow |
| 07:02.26 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, kde is up to almost .5million total |
| 07:02.35 | purple_cow | so, give it another 5 years or so... |
| 07:02.44 | scanlime | sure |
| 07:03.20 | scanlime | it's doesn't break this format to have more than N^2 commits, for however many N timestamps I can fit in a disk block.. but I don't think I need to optimize for N^3 or higher |
| 07:03.35 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:03.57 | scanlime | even if I use double-precision timestamps, N^3 would be 134 million commits |
| 07:04.38 | scanlime | bah. Just on principle I might make this format scale to any tree depth |
| 07:41.54 | scanlime | ugh |
| 07:42.17 | scanlime | tar -S still has to read every block in a sparse file, just to determine whether it's present or not |
| 07:42.28 | scanlime | prolly not a big disk I/O sink, but it sure eats CPU |
| 07:47.22 | purple_cow | guh, what is wrong with my brain |
| 07:47.43 | purple_cow | so i bought an instant-read thermometer, since they were majorly on sale, right |
| 07:47.50 | purple_cow | and the package says "precision tested" |
| 07:47.58 | purple_cow | the first thing I think of is "mother approved" :P |
| 07:48.02 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:56.37 | purple_cow | blah |
| 07:56.41 | purple_cow | i should be studying |
| 07:56.53 | purple_cow | but all i'm doing is staring at xchat-gnome code and playing zookeeper |
| 08:07.21 | scanlime | oof, it got late again |
| 08:09.31 | ChipX86 | I can't reach google |
| 08:09.44 | ChipX86 | I can't reach any websites |
| 08:09.51 | ChipX86 | no, I can. Not google |
| 08:12.14 | ChipX86 | can anyone else? |
| 08:12.29 | numist | google works here |
| 08:12.35 | ChipX86 | bizarre |
| 08:12.52 | ChipX86 | I can't reach it at all on my connection |
| 08:13.04 | numist | :( |
| 08:14.13 | purple_cow | every so often, google freaks out like that |
| 08:14.29 | purple_cow | sitting in the lobby of the ecenter, i couldn't get to gmail for about 20 minutes while darth_mall could |
| 08:14.38 | ChipX86 | how weird |
| 08:15.04 | purple_cow | goddamnit |
| 08:15.07 | purple_cow | i hate memorizing terms |
| 08:15.31 | ChipX86 | 00:14:34 < pepsi> in windows |
| 08:15.32 | ChipX86 | 00:14:40 < pepsi> windows guest |
| 08:15.32 | ChipX86 | 00:14:45 < ChipX86> how are you trying to access them? |
| 08:15.34 | ChipX86 | er |
| 08:15.36 | numist | hehe |
| 08:15.49 | numist | if thats really how wide your nick column is.. you need help, chippy |
| 08:15.53 | ChipX86 | copy and paste the "how are you trying to access them?" above his "in windows" |
| 08:15.53 | numist | thats a lot of wasted space :o |
| 08:15.53 | scanlime | vmware supports pepsi now? |
| 08:16.06 | ChipX86 | numist: my script that does all that is broken |
| 08:16.13 | ChipX86 | I have to manually reset the width every so often |
| 08:16.23 | purple_cow | there's no way that tomorrow afternoon i'm going to know the difference between balungan and kotekan and dangdut and kendhang |
| 08:16.28 | numist | ChipX86: I liked how you obviously just hit <uparrow> <enter> |
| 08:16.32 | scanlime | uggh |
| 08:16.36 | ChipX86 | numist: :) |
| 08:16.53 | scanlime | processing CIA backups into test datasets for this new storage format is not a fun task on a PIII |
| 08:17.04 | numist | scanlime: I imagine its pretty painful |
| 08:17.07 | scanlime | I should get one of those sub-$100 Fry's desktop machines |
| 08:17.13 | numist | noo |
| 08:17.16 | scanlime | :) |
| 08:17.20 | numist | thats horrible |
| 08:17.30 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:17.37 | scanlime | or I could just do this processing on wasabi this weekend |
| 08:18.00 | numist | vmware player must do a lot of fancy registry foo on its backend.. this is taking forever |
| 08:18.13 | scanlime | both to test this code (which is yet to be written) and to eventually do the DB migration, I'm going to have to reconstruct commit timestamps from just the info CIA has collected now |
| 08:20.06 | numist | thats strikes me as being an obvious statement |
| 08:24.09 | ChipX86 | I miss being able to search |
| 08:24.52 | numist | yeah |
| 08:25.01 | purple_cow | ChipX86: all those other search engines still exist |
| 08:25.11 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:25.13 | purple_cow | yahoo, msn, hotbot... |
| 08:25.32 | purple_cow | hehe. it's been about 7 years since i went to hotbot |
| 08:25.36 | purple_cow | their logo is soooo 1995 |
| 08:25.56 | numist | hotbot.com? |
| 08:26.30 | numist | the one that gives you the option of searching on jeeves or google? |
| 08:27.07 | purple_cow | hah |
| 08:27.18 | numist | must be a tough pill to swallow |
| 08:27.23 | purple_cow | i guess they decided it's not worth running a search engine anymore |
| 08:27.32 | purple_cow | numist: yeah, i'm all choked up |
| 08:27.38 | numist | I meant for them :P |
| 08:27.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:27.59 | numist | you dont miss them at all, lier |
| 08:28.02 | numist | :P |
| 08:28.03 | ChipX86 | but at least you can skin hotbot |
| 08:28.09 | numist | indeed |
| 08:28.12 | numist | thats kinda nifty |
| 08:28.23 | numist | haha |
| 08:28.45 | ChipX86 | I can search google through hotbot |
| 08:29.05 | numist | see if you can find google |
| 08:29.32 | rioter | yeah i need it back |
| 08:30.06 | rioter | well just tell them to bring gmail back |
| 08:30.25 | ChipX86 | rioter: is it not working for you? |
| 08:30.29 | rioter | nope |
| 08:30.37 | ChipX86 | quick! post to slashdot! Google's dead! |
| 08:30.49 | numist | try searching google through hotbot? |
| 08:31.04 | ChipX86 | been doing that |
| 08:31.08 | numist | :) |
| 08:31.19 | numist | I guess I inadvertantly found a solution for you :P |
| 08:34.22 | rioter | that doesnt fix my gmail woes |
| 08:34.27 | numist | true |
| 08:35.11 | numist | hrm, the vmware player installer sure is taking its time |
| 08:35.13 | numist | ah there it goes |
| 08:35.22 | ChipX86 | maybe it misses google |
| 08:35.37 | numist | nah, it can get to it from here :) |
| 08:35.42 | numist | athena must have cached it |
| 08:35.52 | ChipX86 | my box cached it? Neat |
| 08:36.01 | numist | different athena >_> |
| 08:36.05 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:36.07 | numist | the athena that lived under my bed |
| 08:36.12 | numist | silly chippy |
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| 08:41.00 | numist | uh oh, I cant access google anymore... |
| 08:41.29 | ChipX86 | still waiting for it to appear on slashdot :) |
| 08:41.39 | numist | yep |
| 08:42.02 | riotert | haha |
| 08:43.03 | numist | slashdot ist stupid |
| 08:43.11 | numist | This particular woofer does not have an enclosure, instead relying on a fan-like design, wafting a cone of modulated air into the room, and effectively turning it into a resonating box, in its entirety!" |
| 08:43.24 | numist | no kidding, what else would it do? |
| 08:44.04 | purple_cow | google works fine for me |
| 08:44.20 | numist | search for something odd |
| 08:45.14 | purple_cow | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=something+odd&btnG=Google+Search |
| 08:45.21 | purple_cow | seems to work |
| 08:45.34 | numist | ChipX86: is galago on http://opensource.nokia.com/ ? |
| 08:46.02 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 08:46.08 | ChipX86 | not that I know of |
| 08:46.43 | numist | well it should be :) |
| 08:46.53 | numist | hrm, keynote says sbc is having network issues |
| 08:48.36 | scanlime | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg |
| 08:49.25 | numist | :) |
| 08:49.29 | ChipX86 | oohh |
| 08:49.30 | numist | I'm off later |
| 08:49.36 | ChipX86 | nice comment from murray on pgo |
| 08:51.23 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 08:53.37 | riotert | even google.com.au is down |
| 08:53.51 | riotert | oh! |
| 08:53.55 | riotert | thank god for those canadians |
| 08:53.58 | riotert | google.ca is up |
| 08:54.26 | ChipX86 | not here it's not |
| 08:55.05 | riotert | is here |
| 08:55.11 | riotert | .com .com.au is, but .ca works |
| 08:55.34 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2237 10libgalago/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:55.34 | CIA-5 | galago: - Add properties to GalagoAccount. |
| 08:55.35 | CIA-5 | galago: - Remove galago_account_new, and replace it with galago_service_create_account. |
| 08:57.28 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2238 10libgalago/libgalago/galago-account.c: Casing change. |
| 09:03.38 | ChipX86 | hotbot no longer works with google |
| 09:04.19 | riotert | images.google.com is up |
| 09:04.34 | riotert | http://images.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=iw&q= so is that heh |
| 09:04.57 | ChipX86 | not up here :( |
| 09:05.01 | ChipX86 | I'm on SBC |
| 09:05.06 | ChipX86 | maybe that's the problem |
| 09:05.49 | purple_cow | mmm, pie |
| 09:05.57 | riotert | works here, but google.com still doesnt work *shrugs* |
| 09:06.21 | riotert | turkey |
| 09:07.38 | purple_cow | bzzt |
| 09:08.16 | riotert | indian? |
| 09:08.25 | riotert | what else do you americans eat on that day |
| 09:08.33 | ChipX86 | lots of stuff |
| 09:09.11 | ChipX86 | ham, turkey, cranberries, stuffing, bread, corn, all kinds of pies |
| 09:10.23 | riotert | meat pies? |
| 09:10.33 | purple_cow | it's just that i won't be putting any of the aforementioned things in a pie |
| 09:10.36 | purple_cow | except maybe cranberries |
| 09:10.45 | purple_cow | riotert: not meat pies |
| 09:11.11 | purple_cow | hahaha. i didn't know about that FSM challenge thing |
| 09:11.22 | purple_cow | $1 million to anyone who can prove that jesus isn't the son of the FSM |
| 09:11.26 | rioter | but they are good, cept you cant reall call meat pies in australia meat really, more gravey and scrap pies |
| 09:11.34 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: haha |
| 09:12.27 | purple_cow | rioter: that's how most meat pies are |
| 09:12.55 | rioter | mmm, 'ive been drunk the entire day long' |
| 09:12.58 | purple_cow | i prefer pies of the fruit or chiffon variety |
| 09:13.03 | rioter | my sister has been at school drunk, again |
| 09:14.04 | ChipX86 | yay gobject doing things for me |
| 09:14.51 | purple_cow | it tickles me that C has a much nicer object system than C++ |
| 09:14.52 | ChipX86 | I wanted properties that could only be set once (during construction) and thought I had to hard-code it, but nope! G_PARAM_CONSTRUCT_ONLY |
| 09:19.14 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2239 10libgalago/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Mark certain properties as G_PARAM_CONSTRUCT_ONLY, and remove GALAGO_OBJECT_WARN_ONETIME_PROPERTY_ID(). |
| 09:19.19 | ChipX86 | uh oh, tired |
| 09:21.08 | rioter | http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Login=Y&Username=public&Password=public |
| 09:21.09 | rioter | ChipX86 |
| 09:21.19 | ChipX86 | ouch |
| 09:21.26 | ChipX86 | explains a bit |
| 09:21.53 | purple_cow | haha |
| 09:26.06 | ChipX86 | wow, two separate groups of people writing galago docs for me |
| 09:26.10 | ChipX86 | shame I'm completely breaking the API |
| 09:26.24 | ChipX86 | oh, they're both using svn |
| 09:26.38 | rioter | haha |
| 09:27.09 | ChipX86 | well that's just so cool |
| 09:27.22 | ChipX86 | hey, google's back! |
| 09:27.56 | rioter | yay |
| 09:28.12 | rioter | i wonder if that means that emails have been bouncing |
| 09:28.27 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2240 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-service.h): Mark up the GalagoServiceFlags enum in a way that glib-mkenums understands as flags. |
| 09:30.39 | purple_cow | emails don't bounce after one attempt :P |
| 09:31.30 | rioter | yeah i know |
| 09:31.40 | rioter | but ive been at work all day so i dont know how long its been down :P |
| 09:36.12 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2241 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-service.c): Add properties to GalagoService. |
| 09:36.36 | ChipX86 | well, now that I've broke every part of galago except libgalago, time to call it a night |
| 09:36.48 | rioter | always a good place to leave things, broken |
| 09:36.50 | rioter | night |
| 09:36.53 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:37.04 | ChipX86 | and what makes me happy is I'm sure somebody will notice |
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| 13:27.51 | pagefault | mmm |
| 13:27.52 | pagefault | coffee |
| 13:47.45 | pagefault | I gotta give MS some credit |
| 13:47.48 | pagefault | their new live.com is pretty neat |
| 15:11.07 | kergoth | hehe, check out yesterday's thedailywtf |
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| 17:19.09 | hardwire | I like todays |
| 17:19.30 | hardwire | err |
| 17:19.38 | hardwire | well I guess.. yesterdays.. didn't read the date :) |
| 17:24.46 | ChipX86 | Lenovo's calling soon to confirm that I got my laptop |
| 17:26.34 | darth_mall | dammit... some of the rules in my AI homework must still be encoded incorrectly |
| 17:41.36 | hardwire | taco |
| 17:41.43 | hardwire | I think I know whats for lunch today |
| 17:41.46 | numist | ~mornings |
| 17:41.47 | jbot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:42.31 | ChipX86 | SuSE.. always SuSE.. |
| 17:43.03 | file | lol |
| 17:43.21 | ChipX86 | no distro gives us the trouble that SuSE gives us |
| 17:44.11 | file | who has read/done read/write locks? I need someone to bounce a thought off of |
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| 17:45.04 | TD | ChipX86: man. i can't believe these OpenID guys |
| 17:45.11 | ChipX86 | OpenID? |
| 17:45.17 | TD | they (well, brad) have built a very nice distributed single sign on system |
| 17:45.26 | TD | you log in once, you're logged in everywhere |
| 17:45.39 | TD | it's easy to integrate, easy to describe, and has 95% good usability |
| 17:45.50 | TD | the last 5% is the most asinine thing i've ever seen |
| 17:45.53 | numist | hah |
| 17:46.02 | nullpuppy | arg!@#!@# |
| 17:46.11 | TD | intuitively, you'd expect identities (people) in the system to be represented by email addresses |
| 17:46.12 | nullpuppy | someone stole me original hl cd key :( |
| 17:46.14 | TD | user@host.com |
| 17:46.37 | TD | but no. brad runs LiveJournal, a blogging site, and apparently believes that everybody in the world has a blog. So to sign in to an OpenID server, you give it a *URL* |
| 17:46.42 | numist | ... |
| 17:46.45 | numist | you what? |
| 17:46.49 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 17:46.53 | numist | where does it send confirmation, or lost passwords? |
| 17:46.54 | TD | your username is http://chipx86.livejournal.com/ |
| 17:47.08 | ChipX86 | does it have to be a livejournal URL? |
| 17:47.10 | TD | no |
| 17:47.13 | numist | that is the most asinine thing I've ever seen |
| 17:47.22 | TD | it can be any HTML page that contains a <link rel="openid.server"> tag |
| 17:47.22 | file | sign in with a URL... |
| 17:47.23 | file | right |
| 17:47.30 | ChipX86 | so someone's going to have geocities.com/foouser, use that, get rid of geocities at some point, and still have to use it? |
| 17:47.36 | ChipX86 | oh god |
| 17:47.42 | TD | well, no. if they dump or move from geocities their login name changes |
| 17:47.48 | ChipX86 | okay, parents! Time to learn how to make webpages! |
| 17:48.00 | TD | anyway. every so often people jump on the mailing list and flame them about this particular piece of nonsense |
| 17:48.08 | TD | yesterday it was my turn. the thread is quite unbelievable |
| 17:48.13 | TD | so far, people have claimed: |
| 17:48.29 | TD | a) nobody understands email addresses anyway |
| 17:48.37 | ChipX86 | .. |
| 17:48.38 | darth_mall | I know I don't |
| 17:48.52 | darth_mall | <--- totally baffled |
| 17:49.04 | TD | b) if you added a mapping function, it might sometimes break |
| 17:49.09 | TD | (why? email addresses formats are an RFC?) |
| 17:49.11 | kergoth | haha |
| 17:49.19 | TD | c) people without a homepage shouldn't use OpenID |
| 17:49.26 | ChipX86 | .. |
| 17:49.33 | TD | d) magic URLs (ie mapping user@host to http://host/openid/user) are evil |
| 17:49.38 | TD | (yet apparently DNS SRV records aren't ...) |
| 17:49.49 | TD | and finally |
| 17:50.00 | TD | e) having two types of identifier, URL and email address, would be confusing, therefore we should stick with URLs |
| 17:50.20 | numist | ... |
| 17:50.29 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 17:51.09 | TD | it's a classic case of dumb nitpicking - the topic has come up a few times, so now the "regulars" are intent on simply teaching people why they're wrong instead of actually having an open minded debate |
| 17:51.19 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 17:51.23 | TD | because, by definition, as it's been discussed a few times people who do it again must be wrong |
| 17:51.54 | TD | so you get dumb statements like "OpenID is not email, so why should it use email addresses" |
| 17:52.26 | TD | now somebody is trying to fob me off by saying "hey write a spec, we can make it an optional layer, maybe if people think it's a good plan they'll implement it in their servers" |
| 17:52.32 | TD | hah yeah right. make it optional. what a wheeze |
| 17:52.45 | TD | and we're talking like 3 lines of perl/python here. a regex. |
| 17:54.35 | TD | i also proposed a remapper service, so aol/hotmail/whatever users could sign in with their email address yet have their OpenID hosted by somebody else (eg, try to connect to aol.com server, if it fails, try user.aol.com.mapper.openid.net instead and let DNS point you in the right direction). but they are so hung up on what you type in, that this one has been mostly ignored. |
| 17:54.41 | TD | <sigh> we had it right with genio 5 years ago :( |
| 17:55.06 | ChipX86 | genio? |
| 17:56.46 | TD | i designed a digital identity system several years ago, before i was hired by pingid .... the company tried to decide whether to push my system or Liberty Alliance before settling on the latter. i got bored of it and went to do autopackage instead |
| 17:57.12 | TD | openid is better in some aspects, worse in others. unfortunately, the creator seems to consider it "done" |
| 17:57.16 | file | haha... I did it |
| 17:57.32 | file | after all other reads are done, this will immediately get the write lock when doing a swap... saweet |
| 17:58.25 | ChipX86 | no race? |
| 17:59.00 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 18:17.34 | nullpuppy | w00t! found my other hl cd key |
| 18:18.25 | nullpuppy | damn.. this is gonna take a while... |
| 18:19.06 | file | this approach is eerily creative |
| 18:19.46 | TD | argh |
| 18:19.54 | TD | the other contender, "LID", is also based on URLs! |
| 18:20.34 | scanlime | URLs, or URIs? Can I have an email://host/~user kludge? |
| 18:22.20 | TD | URLs |
| 18:22.23 | TD | they have to be resolvable |
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| 18:22.29 | numist | for fuck's sakes |
| 18:22.47 | TD | it's not a bad design, just bad usability. |
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| 18:23.11 | TD | using URLs under the hood works OK, there are only so many ways to implement single-signon |
| 18:23.43 | TD | but making server URL your actual user ID seems wack to me. and people are already implementing bizarro workarounds in custom clients, like having lists of "well known" websites |
| 18:23.53 | TD | so you can use bob@livejournal.com and it'll rewrite it client-side |
| 18:24.39 | numist | is openid open source? fork it |
| 18:25.50 | nullpuppy | yay, cs, dod, hl, hl:bs, opfor, ricochet, and tfc all updating! this is gonna take a *long* time :) |
| 18:26.05 | nullpuppy | cs:s and hl2 are still updating too... |
| 18:26.45 | scanlime | numist: it's a specification.. forking a specification isn't usually productive at all |
| 18:27.04 | numist | hrm.. true |
| 18:30.38 | TD | well |
| 18:30.39 | TD | it can be done |
| 18:30.49 | TD | scanlime: it appears there are already two virtually identical competitors in this space |
| 18:31.08 | TD | LID and OpenID. they're both based on URLs, so rather than simply merge them (I don't see what's so different about them), they're creating a new abstraction layer |
| 18:31.17 | TD | so clients can figure out which protocol a particular URL supports |
| 18:31.26 | scanlime | ha |
| 18:31.33 | TD | the whole thing seems crackful to me |
| 18:33.39 | file | haha a race condition I thought could happen can't |
| 18:33.46 | TD | oh wow. LID has even worse usability |
| 18:33.50 | TD | http://firstsso.netmesh.org/infogrid-php/people.html |
| 18:33.54 | TD | check out their wonderful demo page |
| 18:34.02 | TD | now - without reading the text - try and figure out how to log in |
| 18:34.36 | scanlime | oh, wow |
| 18:34.39 | scanlime | I didn't even see that |
| 18:34.43 | TD | neither did i |
| 18:35.04 | TD | haha. the login page is awesome |
| 18:35.16 | TD | NetMesh(tm) LID(tm)(tm) Login Page |
| 18:35.26 | TD | they want to make extra sure you know it's a trademark |
| 18:35.43 | file | I had to actually read and think to be able to log in |
| 18:35.44 | TD | huh? now it's asking me for a username ... |
| 18:35.45 | file | that's not a good sign |
| 18:35.50 | TD | yeah, exactly |
| 18:35.51 | scanlime | so.. it validates the username by loading a page over http and checking for some tag I assume |
| 18:35.59 | scanlime | how does it validate the password? does this even involve passwords? |
| 18:36.35 | numist | this person in #vmware needs a clue |
| 18:36.38 | numist | someone hand me my bat |
| 18:36.39 | TD | well, i dunno about LID |
| 18:37.00 | TD | the principle behind OpenID is simple enough - the site you're logging into redirects you to your home server, which processes the login and sets a magic cookie before sending you back the way you came |
| 18:37.23 | TD | if you go to another site and give it your openid again, next time your home server just sends you immediately back |
| 18:37.33 | TD | (there is crypto involved obviously) |
| 18:37.46 | TD | openid definitely has a better implementation |
| 18:38.27 | purple_cow | sounds like the whole jabber boondoggle |
| 18:38.35 | purple_cow | meta-specs are the best ones ever |
| 18:40.01 | TD | heh |
| 18:40.31 | scanlime | http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html |
| 18:40.32 | scanlime | this is great |
| 18:40.35 | ChipX86 | yay. |
| 18:40.50 | ChipX86 | Gof was advocating using kimproxy instead of galago in telepathy |
| 18:41.06 | ChipX86 | since he's a KDE guy and all |
| 18:41.58 | ChipX86 | now he wants galago to not have a daemon |
| 18:44.14 | purple_cow | well, obviously, the more daemons you have running, the more RAM they use |
| 18:44.21 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 18:44.48 | ChipX86 | it's far better for every single connection to talk to every single other connection and share all the same data and do tons of round trips and have each one update every other one every time anything happens |
| 18:46.33 | ChipX86 | <dobey> Robot101: everything should just be a shlib extension to X, that way there's only ever the ONE process for the entire desktop! :) |
| 18:47.08 | scanlime | that's what Qtopia does already :P |
| 18:47.20 | scanlime | 'cuz IPC is really too hard |
| 18:47.23 | scanlime | everything should just be a function call |
| 18:47.30 | scanlime | address spaces are overrated |
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| 18:51.48 | ChipX86 | tigert and xkahn are out of a job |
| 18:51.54 | ChipX86 | stupid novell |
| 18:52.00 | ChipX86 | going to try to scoop them up |
| 18:52.22 | ChipX86 | xkahn is very interested |
| 18:52.23 | scanlime | =( |
| 18:52.32 | scanlime | make a little birdhouse in your soul |
| 19:00.24 | TD | ChipX86: ah crap, really? |
| 19:00.27 | TD | ChipX86: they fired tigert?! |
| 19:00.28 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 19:00.59 | TD | that's a bad sign. i guess they felt they had enough visual designers now garrett is on board |
| 19:01.32 | TD | what's xkahns real name? |
| 19:02.43 | purple_cow | ben kahn? |
| 19:03.08 | TD | ah |
| 19:03.09 | TD | yeah |
| 19:03.13 | TD | i was thinking of a different ben |
| 19:03.48 | TD | i'm not 100% convinced on their linux strategy, never have been. |
| 19:03.49 | ChipX86 | well I knew it was coming |
| 19:03.53 | ChipX86 | me neither |
| 19:03.58 | ChipX86 | but I thought they were sticking with it for a while longer |
| 19:04.08 | TD | i'm not sure what felt wrong about it, but ... hmm. |
| 19:04.13 | TD | red hat - they inspire confidence in me |
| 19:04.24 | TD | i guess because they have a solid, obvious revenue stream in the form of RHEL subscriptions |
| 19:04.29 | TD | (and growing) |
| 19:04.33 | ChipX86 | what felt wrong was that Novell bought two competing groups and said "make us money!" |
| 19:04.34 | TD | oh and a ton of cash, and commitment |
| 19:04.37 | TD | ah. yeah. |
| 19:04.39 | TD | that'd be it. |
| 19:05.05 | scanlime | she set your goldfish free, and now she's sighing |
| 19:05.11 | scanlime | blew out your pilot light and made a wish |
| 19:07.07 | TD | gods. now somebody is saying because email addresses can be mailing lists that go to archives, i must be wrong that end users associate email addresses not urls with people |
| 19:07.20 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:07.39 | kergoth | since urls never, ever correspond to groups of people, its always just one. |
| 19:07.42 | TD | "And there are protocols that _happen_ to use SMTP (and therefore rfc[2]822 identifiers), but are not meant for people (such as the SOAP-email binding [1])" ?? |
| 19:07.43 | scanlime | Where was I? I forgot the point that I was making. I said if I was smart that I would save up for a piece of string and a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around. |
| 19:08.29 | scanlime | hah |
| 19:08.45 | scanlime | how could they bring up some crazy SOAP-email binding without facing the obvious question about SOAP over HTTP? :P |
| 19:09.07 | TD | because they're nuts? digital identity has always attracted the wackier nutjob side of the web crowd |
| 19:09.32 | TD | openid is quite nice because apart from bonkers URL usage, the underlying technology was built to solve a specific problem rather than be some all-encompassing mega-architecture |
| 19:09.50 | TD | this particular guy is associated with the "OASIS XDI" group, which should be enough to give you an idea of his mental state |
| 19:09.52 | darth_mall | awww... but I like mega-architectures |
| 19:10.54 | scanlime | someone keeps moving my chair |
| 19:11.21 | TD | XDIs are apparently "spam-proof universal addresses that last for life" |
| 19:11.25 | TD | as if i haven't seen that before ... |
| 19:12.03 | scanlime | hehe |
| 19:12.06 | scanlime | just like email, huh |
| 19:12.22 | ChipX86 | everyone should just get a number |
| 19:12.32 | TD | yeah. like compuserve |
| 19:12.38 | TD | except we should use social security numbers |
| 19:12.39 | scanlime | ChipX86: I already did, you're behind on the times |
| 19:12.48 | ChipX86 | oh good idea! |
| 19:12.51 | TD | 12345678@gov |
| 19:12.51 | ChipX86 | no problems there |
| 19:13.00 | TD | who needs domains anyway |
| 19:14.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:23.14 | ChipX86 | where the hell is Lenovo and why haven't they called? |
| 19:23.52 | scanlime | hmm |
| 19:30.50 | ChipX86 | can't even reach the guy |
| 19:32.05 | hardwire | blah |
| 19:33.09 | scanlime | hahaha |
| 19:33.09 | scanlime | so a link to google print gets posted to funlist |
| 19:33.11 | darth_mall | ooh... onto machine learning in AI now |
| 19:33.11 | scanlime | and all the requests through our company proxy set off google's virus alarm |
| 19:34.06 | ChipX86 | virus alarm? |
| 19:34.35 | scanlime | ChipX86: the page tells you that your computer or network may have a virus performing automated requests, and it has you solve a captcha to continue |
| 19:35.42 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 19:37.53 | TD | yeah |
| 19:37.54 | TD | i've seen that before |
| 19:38.03 | TD | cool stuff |
| 19:43.42 | scanlime | is there any way to make outlook format replies sanely? :P |
| 19:43.58 | scanlime | I find myself using outlook to read mail and thunderbird to write mail lately |
| 19:44.06 | nullpuppy | ewww, why are you using outlook? |
| 19:44.58 | scanlime | I don't have a lot of alternatives.. thunderbird seems like the best bet, but it has some really stupid problems |
| 19:45.13 | nullpuppy | like what? |
| 19:45.37 | scanlime | even after you poke around in the hidden javascript options, thunderbird won't open all my IMAP folders at startup.. so a lot of times I miss mail if it's being delivered somewhere I haven't looked recently |
| 19:45.51 | nullpuppy | ah |
| 19:46.05 | nullpuppy | i can see how that'd be annoying :) |
| 19:46.06 | scanlime | it also doesn't show replied-to flags |
| 19:46.33 | scanlime | I want to install gmail locally and use it to read my outlook mail |
| 19:46.34 | scanlime | :P |
| 19:46.43 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 19:47.54 | scanlime | so, normally I end up using outlook... but it doesn't seem to have a way of doing the usual ">" inline replies |
| 19:49.37 | nullpuppy | yeah, does some wierd line thing by default |
| 19:49.47 | nullpuppy | should be able to do the >'s though |
| 19:49.48 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 19:51.30 | scanlime | oh |
| 19:51.36 | scanlime | tools -> options -> preferences -> email options |
| 19:51.39 | scanlime | that's intuitive :P |
| 19:51.55 | nullpuppy | yup :) |
| 19:52.00 | nullpuppy | its an m$ product... ) |
| 19:52.01 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 19:52.41 | ChipX86 | scanlime: #vmware, can you confirm what I just said? |
| 19:52.56 | numist | tools -> options -> preferences -> rss feeds -> email options |
| 19:52.57 | numist | >_> |
| 19:54.27 | scanlime | ChipX86: yes. I wrote part of that fix :) |
| 19:54.49 | ChipX86 | thought so |
| 19:54.54 | scanlime | ChipX86: he also might have an old kernel that doesn't support disconnecting existing devices, but that's less likely |
| 19:55.04 | scanlime | er, existing drivers |
| 19:55.41 | scanlime | oh, and it still doesn't work on some 64-bit kernels |
| 19:55.51 | scanlime | but 5.5 should give you a meaningful error message when that's the case |
| 19:55.57 | scanlime | it's a bug in linux, not our side :) |
| 20:09.09 | ChipX86 | *grumble* |
| 20:09.17 | ChipX86 | nobody ever got back to me about the team lunch thing, and I think everybody left |
| 20:09.39 | purple_cow | :( |
| 20:10.01 | ChipX86 | and I can't fucking reach Lenovo |
| 20:10.18 | purple_cow | what about lenovo? |
| 20:10.22 | purple_cow | oh right, laptop |
| 20:10.35 | purple_cow | :( |
| 20:10.48 | ChipX86 | the guy said he would call Thursday to make sure I got the laptop and that it's working |
| 20:11.03 | ChipX86 | but I never got it, he never called, and I've left a voice mail and tried calling several times with no luck |
| 20:12.51 | darth_mall | time to start killing people, ChipX86 |
| 20:12.58 | ChipX86 | might have to |
| 20:15.18 | darth_mall | I'll help |
| 20:15.30 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 20:15.56 | ChipX86 | I just hope the delivery is a day late.. |
| 20:17.42 | ChipX86 | my problem was caused by them screwing up and then refusing to acknowledge it |
| 20:18.17 | ChipX86 | although there was that one lady who lied to me over the phone |
| 20:18.44 | scanlime | purple_cow: so when is vmware flying you out? :) |
| 20:19.05 | numist | I'll help too.. I cant believe that the support would be that ridiculous |
| 20:19.13 | numist | you should log this so you dont forget |
| 20:19.17 | numist | with names |
| 20:19.19 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:19.22 | ChipX86 | been keeping notes |
| 20:19.25 | ChipX86 | it's all in tomboy |
| 20:19.26 | numist | good |
| 20:19.29 | numist | then blog it, I want to see :D |
| 20:19.38 | scanlime | ChipX86: you should just record your calls for quality-assurance purposes ;) |
| 20:19.50 | numist | scanlime: haha! clever |
| 20:20.10 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah :) |
| 20:20.20 | ChipX86 | ok, heading for lunch in a few, bbl |
| 20:20.25 | ChipX86 | hopefully the guy at Lenovo will call.... |
| 20:21.12 | purple_cow | scanlime: i haven't even scheduled the phone interview yet |
| 20:21.29 | scanlime | pff, details |
| 20:21.49 | purple_cow | gonna be hard to schedule a time when i can fly out |
| 20:21.55 | purple_cow | might have to wait for winter break |
| 20:53.49 | purple_cow | argh |
| 20:53.52 | purple_cow | stabbystabby |
| 20:53.59 | scanlime | I built a little empire out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working class |
| 20:54.00 | purple_cow | cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/expertcoder for user anonymous |
| 20:54.18 | purple_cow | i'm literally angry with rage! |
| 20:54.47 | darth_mall | =\ |
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| 20:55.44 | slimspace | darth_mall: so where are we meeting today? UMC? |
| 20:56.14 | purple_cow | seriously. there's no excuse for their CVS server to still be broken |
| 20:56.22 | purple_cow | especially when it's preventing me from building other things |
| 20:58.54 | scanlime | Where your eyes don't go a filthy scarecrow waves his broomstick arms and does a parody of each unconscious thing you do |
| 21:05.44 | darth_mall | slimspace: yes |
| 21:14.31 | scanlime | poor CIA-5 |
| 21:16.26 | *** join/#tacobeam CIA-5 (n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx) |
| 21:16.49 | CIA-5 | ow |
| 21:16.55 | scanlime | that's for your database sucking |
| 21:17.15 | scanlime | but my rage is misplaced.. the bot server doesn't know a thing about the database |
| 21:17.39 | scanlime | CIA-5: you are a slave to your named pipe! |
| 21:17.40 | darth_mall | nothing wrong with taking out your frustrations on convenient targets |
| 21:17.55 | scanlime | true |
| 21:19.55 | scanlime | he wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth! |
| 21:24.50 | numist | hehe |
| 21:27.02 | scanlime | "There's no time for metaphors!" cried the little pill to me. He said "Life is a placebo, masquerading as a similie." |
| 21:30.05 | numist | ... |
| 21:34.31 | darth_mall | are you listening to all of their albums on random? |
| 21:34.32 | scanlime | yep |
| 21:34.43 | scanlime | darth_mall: not random |
| 21:46.49 | scanlime | They revamped the airport completely, now it looks just like a nightclub. Everyone's excited and confused. |
| 21:53.51 | scanlime | glistening white triangular tooth, open up a can of tomato juice |
| 21:57.45 | purple_cow | scanlime has tmbg on the brain |
| 21:58.14 | scanlime | kinda |
| 21:59.41 | purple_cow | darth_mall: what was that wrapping command in vim? |
| 22:06.38 | scanlime | thank you Intel, I knew this spec wouldn't be complete without a 'doorbell' register |
| 22:06.48 | numist | :D |
| 22:10.25 | ChipX86 | good news, bad news |
| 22:10.41 | numist | bad first, its one of those days |
| 22:10.44 | scanlime | good news: the new laptop exists! bad news: it's on fire |
| 22:10.48 | ChipX86 | laptop didn't come |
| 22:10.48 | numist | fsck |
| 22:10.51 | scanlime | aw |
| 22:10.55 | numist | scanlime: nicely done |
| 22:11.05 | ChipX86 | good news: 770 did come |
| 22:11.09 | numist | ? |
| 22:11.14 | scanlime | that's handy at least |
| 22:11.17 | numist | um, the chmode? |
| 22:11.32 | ChipX86 | the nokia 770 |
| 22:12.41 | numist | ah |
| 22:12.47 | numist | hah sweet |
| 22:13.08 | numist | my coworker saw munin on my screen, and was wondering what it used to graph (rrdtool) so now he's looking into integrating it into our webapp |
| 22:13.14 | numist | <3 rrdtool |
| 22:15.49 | ChipX86 | this power cable is very weird and I really doubt it's for the US |
| 22:16.08 | numist | hehe |
| 22:16.27 | ChipX86 | crap :) |
| 22:16.36 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:16.44 | scanlime | ChipX86: I have a set of international power adaptors you can borrow |
| 22:16.54 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 22:17.11 | scanlime | if the supply itself is wide-voltage-range you just need a plug adaptor |
| 22:17.11 | numist | scanlime is so handy.. he's like a big swiss army knife |
| 22:17.26 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:17.27 | numist | unfortunately, he doesnt fit in a pocket |
| 22:17.40 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 22:17.41 | scanlime | don't I? |
| 22:17.41 | ChipX86 | I might just head to Fry's |
| 22:17.49 | numist | scanlime: you wouldnt fit in any of my pockets, maybe the trunk though |
| 22:18.27 | scanlime | planning midnight raids on our unsuspecting fans, while the roadies rig the video surveillance van |
| 22:18.33 | scanlime | paid to fake it, in a travelling van |
| 22:18.37 | scanlime | and I'm working undercover for the man |
| 22:18.46 | scanlime | s/van/band/ :P |
| 22:18.59 | scanlime | TMBG would never try to rhyme 'van' with 'van' |
| 22:19.11 | numist | hehe |
| 22:21.55 | scanlime | and now you're older still! |
| 22:25.28 | *** join/#tacobeam Veight` (i=Veight@c-24-118-109-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:27.33 | numist | whoa, I just realized I havent drank any caffeine today |
| 22:27.35 | numist | this must be remedied |
| 22:33.53 | ChipX86 | the 770 is fun |
| 22:34.05 | ChipX86 | shame I don't see it being more than a geek toy really |
| 22:34.20 | ChipX86 | but the built-in wifi rocks |
| 22:34.53 | scanlime | mwahaha |
| 22:35.05 | scanlime | so I was trying to debug an infinite loop in a python program |
| 22:35.18 | scanlime | I couldn't ^C it, so I had no easy way to get a traceback and see where it was looping |
| 22:35.44 | scanlime | I just attached gdb to the python process, and used it to generate an exception and force the current stack frame to return with an error |
| 22:35.49 | scanlime | bam, traceback from python |
| 22:36.33 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 22:37.27 | purple_cow | crazy bastard |
| 22:37.54 | numist | damn this backup thinger takes a long time |
| 22:39.32 | scanlime | hmm |
| 22:39.50 | scanlime | somehow my collision detection code is occasionally less finite than I intended |
| 22:40.40 | numist | haha |
| 22:40.46 | purple_cow | http://uwog.net/blog/?p=14 |
| 22:41.03 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 22:41.13 | ChipX86 | my prompt on osiris is all weird |
| 22:41.30 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 22:41.34 | numist | did you cat /bin/bash? |
| 22:41.35 | ChipX86 | it's checking TERM, and this is a different terminal. nm |
| 22:41.42 | ChipX86 | must fix that |
| 22:41.44 | numist | ah hah |
| 22:42.26 | scanlime | purple_cow: hehe |
| 22:43.10 | purple_cow | guh |
| 22:43.21 | purple_cow | i'm starting to get annoyed at the lack of transparency with imendio |
| 22:43.40 | purple_cow | seems like more and more, they'll get a desktop-oriented contract or idea, then only let people know what they're up to once it's done |
| 22:44.32 | lurgy|work | :( |
| 22:44.48 | purple_cow | like that whole gtk-on-aqua thing, and now beagle+nautilus |
| 22:45.00 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:45.12 | purple_cow | it's great that they're doing it, it's just that people are going to get pissed off |
| 22:45.32 | scanlime | hehe, "there may be giants" |
| 22:47.15 | purple_cow | at least novell is actively trying to work with the community, even if they're sinking themselves into projects with no ROI |
| 22:50.24 | purple_cow | hmm, neat |
| 22:50.25 | purple_cow | http://www.mono-project.com/Gendarme |
| 22:50.44 | purple_cow | that's a cool idea |
| 22:50.52 | numist | the french police? |
| 23:03.01 | scanlime | argh |
| 23:03.05 | scanlime | sony should not be writing drivers |
| 23:03.28 | scanlime | I *hate* it when people writer drivers that force all I/O operations to happen synchronously, therefore becoming completely latency-bound |
| 23:17.54 | kergoth | damnit, i hate connecting to linux boxes that dont know about the rxvt-unicode TERM value, so i have to manually override it to rxvt |
| 23:18.44 | purple_cow | not a whole lot of linux boxes know about rxvt-unicode |
| 23:21.11 | kergoth | maybe i should just force it to rxvt in general, i doubt it affects much |
| 23:22.43 | kergoth | ah, theres a resource for it |
| 23:27.06 | kergoth | there, thats better. |
| 23:27.26 | kergoth | hmm. someone contacted me about a low level kernel position at ibm.. not sure if i want to do that though, and not sure if my experience offsets the lack of degree |
| 23:29.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:30.43 | file | scary |
| 23:30.46 | file | two locks are better then one! |
| 23:32.43 | numist | kergoth: dont think that way |
| 23:32.47 | numist | do it |
| 23:33.35 | *** join/#tacobeam file[laptop] (n=jcolp@mctnnbsa31w-142166116148.nb.aliant.net) |
| 23:34.32 | kergoth | numist: if i decide its something i'd want to do, i will |
| 23:35.40 | numist | :) |
| 23:35.43 | numist | thats more like it |
| 23:35.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:36.07 | numist | doing it based on if you think you have the experience is a bad idea. they think you can do it, and theyre willing to take you in. Its do you want to |
| 23:36.39 | scanlime | You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. --Einstein |
| 23:37.03 | ChipX86 | I love that |
| 23:37.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:40.15 | kergoth | purple_cow: whats the status? they gonna hire you? |
| 23:40.34 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yep |
| 23:40.36 | ChipX86 | helps when you know people too |
| 23:40.37 | purple_cow | dunno yet |
| 23:41.19 | purple_cow | just know that wendy whoosits wants to get me in touch with people asap |
| 23:41.37 | ChipX86 | do you know who your next interview is with? |
| 23:41.46 | purple_cow | not a clue |
| 23:41.48 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 23:41.51 | ChipX86 | I think it'll be Philip |
| 23:41.53 | ChipX86 | galeon devel |
| 23:44.37 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 23:45.15 | purple_cow | ? |
| 23:45.19 | ChipX86 | if (!(editor = getenv("VISUAL")) && !(editor = getenv("EDITOR"))) { editor = "xedit"; /* That'll learn 'em. */ } |
| 23:45.25 | purple_cow | haha |
| 23:45.48 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:45.48 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:45.59 | file[laptop] | people are silly |
| 23:46.07 | kergoth | ChipX86: whats that from? |
| 23:46.12 | ChipX86 | a certain program |
| 23:46.16 | ChipX86 | forget you saw it |
| 23:46.29 | kergoth | saw what? |
| 23:46.34 | ChipX86 | it only applies to VMware developers anyway |
| 23:46.45 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 23:47.02 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 23:47.05 | *** join/#tacobeam dooky (i=jeff@poipu/developer/dooky) |
| 23:47.09 | file[laptop] | I saw nothing. |
| 23:47.10 | dooky | I should probably idle here or something |
| 23:47.15 | dooky | scott always talks about this place |
| 23:47.19 | numist | I do? |
| 23:47.25 | dooky | well, it's denziens |
| 23:47.26 | dooky | :P |
| 23:47.32 | numist | no, you just watch my terminal over my shoulder, you pissant :P |
| 23:47.33 | file[laptop] | oh noes! |
| 23:47.36 | purple_cow | that's because we're awesome |
| 23:47.37 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 23:47.37 | ChipX86 | oh no! |
| 23:47.39 | ChipX86 | someone found us |
| 23:47.39 | numist | damn, we've been discovered |
| 23:47.41 | kergoth | 10:48 < kergoth> -- boolean madness! madness, i say! |
| 23:47.41 | kergoth | 10:48 < kergoth> table1[false] = true |
| 23:47.41 | kergoth | 10:50 < Tain> haha |
| 23:47.41 | kergoth | 10:50 < Tain> No no you need true, false, and file not found. |
| 23:47.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:47.47 | kergoth | eek |
| 23:48.07 | numist | ChipX86: what are you doing thanksgiving, chico? |
| 23:48.11 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:48.13 | dooky | ChipX86: he's asking you out! |
| 23:48.14 | numist | hrm.. damn |
| 23:48.24 | ChipX86 | dooky: I'm already taken though |
| 23:48.28 | dooky | so is he |
| 23:48.30 | numist | double date? |
| 23:48.34 | dooky | ah, the joys of infidelity |
| 23:48.50 | numist | "dont you wish we were married?" "but we are! or did you mean to each other..." |
| 23:48.55 | dooky | lol |
| 23:48.55 | ChipX86 | speaking of which, I should head to Frys soon and get a power converter |
| 23:49.05 | dooky | so thats what they call it these days |
| 23:49.08 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:49.10 | numist | ChipX86: so no chance for tomo while I'm up there, eh? |
| 23:49.16 | ChipX86 | numist: what days? |
| 23:49.24 | numist | probably thurs <--> sunday |
| 23:49.32 | numist | and if you are traveling one of those days, I can shuttle you too, probably |
| 23:49.47 | dooky | numist: you won't be here friday? well, I'll call you all wasted from the Stones concert probably |
| 23:49.50 | dooky | haha |
| 23:49.54 | dooky | "SCOTT THIS IS SO FUN" |
| 23:49.57 | numist | you have fun with that |
| 23:50.02 | ChipX86 | numist: I'm leaving probably Tuesday |
| 23:50.05 | numist | yikes |
| 23:50.09 | dooky | *scott makes mental note not to answer my calls* |
| 23:50.14 | numist | so.. sunday? |
| 23:50.22 | numist | dooky: if I'm near carries, my phone is off |
| 23:50.29 | ChipX86 | I won't be back until late Sunday night |
| 23:50.39 | numist | unless I take monday off, I'll be gone by then |
| 23:50.47 | numist | although, it might be a good idea to take monday off anyway |
| 23:50.54 | numist | I've certainly worked enough this week |
| 23:51.09 | dooky | numist: dude you've worked enough to take all of next week off |
| 23:51.21 | dooky | what..60 hours so far and it's wednesday? |
| 23:51.36 | numist | thats about accurate |
| 23:51.45 | numist | is today really wednesday? |
| 23:51.49 | dooky | yeah |
| 23:51.50 | numist | god I thought it was thursday |
| 23:51.54 | dooky | oh wait |
| 23:51.56 | dooky | it is thursday |
| 23:51.59 | dooky | damn |
| 23:51.59 | numist | phew |
| 23:52.01 | dooky | :( |
| 23:52.06 | dooky | 770? |
| 23:52.09 | numist | he got a phone |
| 23:52.12 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 23:52.16 | ChipX86 | not a phone |
| 23:52.24 | numist | nokia thingamawidget? |
| 23:52.27 | dooky | 770 millimeter cannon |
| 23:52.28 | dooky | mmm |
| 23:52.38 | ChipX86 | http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770\ |
| 23:52.40 | ChipX86 | er |
| 23:52.41 | ChipX86 | http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 |
| 23:52.43 | ChipX86 | free! |
| 23:52.58 | numist | oh man, that is hot. |
| 23:53.06 | numist | it doesnt even officially exist yet |
| 23:53.12 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 23:53.26 | ChipX86 | and it's sitting in my lap |
| 23:53.27 | numist | I must have one |
| 23:53.33 | ChipX86 | with a european power plug |
| 23:53.41 | numist | thats pretty unhelpful of them |
| 23:53.49 | numist | jeez |
| 23:53.51 | numist | does it have usb? |
| 23:54.08 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:54.18 | numist | I think I just found a carputer |
| 23:54.29 | ChipX86 | ah, damn |
| 23:54.35 | ChipX86 | I flashed this devel image, but the devel image sucks |
| 23:54.36 | numist | that thing is awesome |
| 23:54.43 | numist | did you back up the original? |
| 23:54.48 | ChipX86 | nope :) |
| 23:54.51 | numist | oopsie |
| 23:55.46 | kergoth | ChipX86: heh, i know a lot of people messing with those. mallum, the matchbox guy, did a lot of work for nokia on that (openhand inc or something) |
| 23:55.54 | kergoth | ChipX86: is it just a toy, or of practical use? |
| 23:56.07 | numist | if it has connectivity, I can see it being very useful |
| 23:56.26 | kergoth | yeah well, people thought zaurii were going to be useful too, and they ended up being mostly geek toys |
| 23:56.34 | kergoth | hence the question |
| 23:56.37 | ChipX86 | kergoth: the audio and video features are nice. THe web browsing and all that is nice |
| 23:56.42 | ChipX86 | I think it'll be a geek toy for a while |
| 23:56.48 | ChipX86 | but I'm a geek, so that's fine |
| 23:56.55 | ChipX86 | all PDAs are geek toys |
| 23:57.02 | dooky | speaking of PDA's |
| 23:57.06 | dooky | anyone want my old one? |
| 23:57.10 | numist | the palm 3? |
| 23:57.11 | ChipX86 | nope, got too many |
| 23:57.11 | dooky | Sony Clie, PEG-SJ30 |
| 23:57.15 | kergoth | i liked the idea of a pda, but i never carry mine |
| 23:57.16 | dooky | colour screen |
| 23:57.17 | dooky | etc |
| 23:57.17 | numist | oh.. can it wifi? |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | i have ilke 4 in a pile in my closet |
| 23:57.25 | dooky | numist: with an expansion card thingie |
| 23:57.28 | numist | hrm |
| 23:57.28 | dooky | it runs palmos |
| 23:57.28 | ChipX86 | dooky: oh, I'll take it |
| 23:57.33 | ChipX86 | unless numist wants it |
| 23:57.33 | numist | Ill |
| 23:57.33 | purple_cow | kergoth: i think scanlime wins |
| 23:57.35 | numist | damn you chippy |
| 23:57.45 | dooky | ChipX86: sure. |
| 23:57.46 | ChipX86 | well fine! THen numist can't have it! |
| 23:57.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:57.51 | numist | :( |
| 23:57.53 | ChipX86 | nah, give it to numist if he wants it |
| 23:58.05 | kergoth | probably, and i've lost a few over the years. the number of zaurii screens i've cracked is just staggering |
| 23:58.07 | dooky | ChipX86: well, next time he goes up there he can take it, and you can check it out and see if you want it |
| 23:58.08 | ChipX86 | I'll just take it if he doesn't want it |
| 23:58.10 | dooky | it's mint atm |
| 23:58.13 | numist | I just want to know if I can hack some programs on it and use it for fun things |
| 23:58.14 | dooky | I just never use it |
| 23:58.19 | kergoth | i think i'll just find some decent pda-ish apps for my phone and use that |
| 23:58.23 | ChipX86 | numist: coding for PalmOS *sucks* |
| 23:58.25 | file[laptop] | kergoth: excellent idea |
| 23:58.29 | ChipX86 | massively |
| 23:58.34 | numist | ChipX86: then maybe I can flash it with gentoo or something? :) |
| 23:58.40 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 23:58.44 | dooky | ChipX86: got anything cool you wanna trade? |
| 23:58.47 | numist | hrm |
| 23:58.49 | dooky | lol |
| 23:58.59 | numist | dooky: I got chipotle |
| 23:59.02 | numist | trade? |
| 23:59.05 | dooky | numist: bump that |
| 23:59.06 | dooky | lol |
| 23:59.06 | ChipX86 | dooky: I have half a bag of candy |
| 23:59.25 | dooky | oh, it also has a 32mb mem stick and an expandable keyboard |
| 23:59.28 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 23:59.45 | darth_mall | wow |
| 23:59.47 | darth_mall | wikipedia does a much better job of explaining the visitor pattern than Amer did |
| 23:59.55 | numist | Id offer my n64, but I gave that to scanlime.. speaking of which, I wonder if he's done anything with it yet... or used it |
