| 00:01.07 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r494 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: UI breadth. |
| 00:05.26 | *** join/#tacobeam itodd (n=itodd@chargedsoftware.com) |
| 00:09.50 | ChipX86 | hey itodd |
| 00:10.05 | itodd | hey chip :) |
| 00:17.03 | purple_cow | argh, i need to find time to re-template my resume |
| 00:20.37 | file | itodd: yikes I thought you were something else for a second, but hi! |
| 00:21.11 | itodd | hi file, what did you think i was? dare i ask? |
| 00:21.25 | file | a person named John Todd |
| 00:21.42 | hardwire | file: want to help with an embedded sip stack? |
| 00:21.55 | file | hardwire: osip2+eXosip2, problem solved |
| 00:22.09 | hardwire | you are very helpfull.. but I am not going to pay you for that. |
| 00:22.19 | file | hardwire: you can implement a user agent using those in under an hour |
| 00:22.24 | hardwire | haha |
| 00:22.32 | hardwire | well.. thats something to look into |
| 00:22.45 | file | you could make a proxy in less |
| 00:22.45 | hardwire | basically I am talking with a company that gave up making a sip based phone because of standards changes |
| 00:22.49 | hardwire | I told them.. what changes? |
| 00:23.27 | hardwire | anyways.. they make phones that have a psk data layer for SMS support inbetween phone to phone .. its an ideal digital handset platform for non wifi phones |
| 00:23.37 | file | cool |
| 00:23.41 | hardwire | and its a 6-8 mile range phone |
| 00:23.50 | file | if you could accidentally acquire some, that would rock mmmkthxbi |
| 00:23.52 | hardwire | hopefully you can take the codec and just plop it to rtp |
| 00:24.12 | hardwire | file: I am going to attempt to negotiate a joint-venture to get the product started |
| 00:24.21 | file | but 6-8 mile range, that's nice |
| 00:24.24 | hardwire | they started one a while ago.. but failed to be able to integrate it |
| 00:24.31 | hardwire | we use the analog version of their phones |
| 00:24.34 | hardwire | just plain amazing phones |
| 00:24.37 | file | tie in VoIP, and even better |
| 00:24.40 | numist | .... |
| 00:24.46 | hardwire | digital to the basestation and handset to handset walkie support |
| 00:24.58 | numist | I should use voip over gprs on my phone |
| 00:25.00 | hardwire | we use SPA ATA's for the 4 lines the base station has |
| 00:25.08 | file | numist: not enough bandwidth/too bad latency |
| 00:25.10 | hardwire | numist: got unlimited data? |
| 00:25.13 | hardwire | file: never |
| 00:25.14 | numist | hardwire: yes |
| 00:25.18 | hardwire | if sat works.. this works.. |
| 00:25.22 | hardwire | I got voip working well over EVDO |
| 00:25.27 | hardwire | 2 trunked GSM lines |
| 00:25.35 | file | GSM is EDGE for high-speed |
| 00:25.38 | file | CDMA is EVDO for high-speed |
| 00:25.43 | hardwire | yes |
| 00:25.54 | hardwire | GPRS is quite slow |
| 00:25.55 | file | take the edge off man! |
| 00:25.57 | hardwire | but it could support speex :) |
| 00:26.04 | file | my 1X CDMA isn't too bad |
| 00:26.12 | hardwire | 1xrtt sucks my ass |
| 00:26.17 | hardwire | I have a qualcomm airedge card |
| 00:26.23 | hardwire | my isp uses a bad ppp server as well |
| 00:26.34 | hardwire | but its nice when I get EVDO |
| 00:26.45 | hardwire | I just stream down mp3's and work while waiting for g/f to get off work. |
| 00:27.23 | file | bah |
| 00:27.29 | file | packet data on my cell isn't working on the regular account |
| 00:27.49 | hardwire | I have a card |
| 00:27.54 | hardwire | as well as bluetooth to 1xrtt via my phone |
| 00:28.03 | hardwire | thats more or less bluetooth for my palm |
| 00:28.07 | hardwire | now thats clever and fun |
| 00:28.31 | hardwire | it would be amazing to have a well thought out sound system for future bluetooth wusb specs |
| 00:29.41 | scanlime | WUSB is not for phone sound! |
| 00:29.46 | file | uh hrm... why won't bluetooth internet work on this |
| 00:29.52 | scanlime | just use bluetooth over WiMedia |
| 00:30.46 | file | I crashed my phone |
| 00:32.16 | hardwire | scanlime: you know there are going to be 44khz wireless USB headsets on the market rigt? |
| 00:32.38 | scanlime | hardwire: they won't be for phones! |
| 00:32.52 | scanlime | please, USB has nothing to do with this |
| 00:32.55 | hardwire | just as long as you know |
| 00:33.00 | scanlime | bluetooth is really much much better for this kind of thing |
| 00:33.12 | scanlime | bluetooth and USB in the future will run over the same radio layer |
| 00:33.20 | scanlime | so you'll get high speed bluetooth |
| 00:33.30 | file | aha |
| 00:33.32 | file | figured it out |
| 00:34.47 | scanlime | oh it's so much fun... |
| 00:35.49 | purple_cow | it's hilarious, because hardwire hasn't thought about anything he's saying |
| 00:36.24 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:36.30 | file[laptop] | my provider is overloaded :) |
| 00:36.57 | hardwire | well without getting too far into it.. I think I have thought about it.. just not at the same uber intelligent quotient as my adversary. who can probably spell too.. |
| 00:37.34 | scanlime | hardwire: you just aren't getting the fact that USB is designed for connecting peripherals to PCs, whereas bluetooth is already good at the stuff you're talking about doing |
| 00:37.38 | scanlime | you just want higher speed |
| 00:38.02 | file[laptop] | bluetooth is good at what it does, and it's sexy |
| 00:38.07 | scanlime | WUSB, wireless firewire, and the next generation of bluetooth will all use the same UWB radio layer |
| 00:38.08 | hardwire | its great |
| 00:38.29 | hardwire | at the same time it suffers from not low speed.. but interference.. and audio is incredibly bad on bluetooth |
| 00:38.31 | hardwire | IMHO |
| 00:38.36 | hardwire | thats why I search for another option. |
| 00:38.42 | scanlime | uhhuh |
| 00:38.53 | hardwire | I can't stop standing around a 2.4ghz anything in my life.. enough to use a bluetooth headset for its use. |
| 00:38.59 | scanlime | but WUSB isn't even available yet, and it won't do what you want |
| 00:39.26 | scanlime | or maybe you just need a new bluetooth headset |
| 00:39.33 | scanlime | mine works fine, even in my apartment which is saturated with wifi |
| 00:39.36 | hardwire | scanlime: it will communicate.. wirelessly.. with a perphial.. on its own host bus style of happyness.. it will work fine.. but oprobably bnot be as effecient as future bluetooth revisions. |
| 00:39.51 | scanlime | ARGH |
| 00:39.57 | hardwire | my purpose isn't to have my device associate with anything and everything.. its purposed to only associate to one thing.. and thats that. |
| 00:39.59 | scanlime | are you listening to anything I'm saying? |
| 00:40.02 | scanlime | WUSB ISNT HERE YET |
| 00:40.08 | hardwire | I didn't say it was. |
| 00:40.24 | hardwire | yet you still look into it. |
| 00:40.26 | scanlime | and when it was, it still won't be good for headsets and crap like that |
| 00:41.04 | scanlime | so why wait for WUSB when you could just wait for bluetooth with EDR, which they already have on the market? |
| 00:41.32 | scanlime | all you really need is a headset that supports full-duplex A2DP and EDR |
| 00:41.36 | hardwire | would it be good for PDA networking? |
| 00:41.43 | scanlime | ... |
| 00:41.56 | scanlime | about as good as wired USB is for networking, I suspect :P |
| 00:41.59 | hardwire | and interfacing to mobile devices ? |
| 00:42.04 | scanlime | ok |
| 00:42.06 | scanlime | here's a test for you |
| 00:42.07 | hardwire | then thats all I care about |
| 00:42.16 | scanlime | all the questions you ask about WUSB |
| 00:42.16 | hardwire | I can't make what I want.. therefore it doesn't matter |
| 00:42.17 | scanlime | ask about USB |
| 00:42.21 | scanlime | the answers will be the same |
| 00:42.24 | hardwire | I have heard the speech scanline :) |
| 00:42.31 | hardwire | and I have also seen USB phones. |
| 00:42.41 | hardwire | so.. I just don't see the disconnect here. |
| 00:42.42 | hardwire | sorry. |
| 00:42.55 | scanlime | USB phones? |
| 00:43.00 | hardwire | it may not be as good as something.. but the something that is as good.. doesn't work so hot either. |
| 00:43.13 | scanlime | see, what you're asking is more like buying a USB headset then buying a USB phone, and expecting to plug them into each other |
| 00:43.16 | hardwire | scanlime: remember that voip world you renounce? it has those things in it. |
| 00:43.49 | hardwire | it even has usb based headsets that terminate to 900mhz as well as bluetooth HCI's |
| 00:44.24 | hardwire | they just aren't things you would use it for |
| 00:44.33 | scanlime | HCI is the protocol bluetooth uses to talk to a PC or a microcontroller |
| 00:44.45 | scanlime | what does that have to do with a headset? |
| 00:44.53 | hardwire | ok.. so you have never heard of a bluetooth HCI as a usb device? |
| 00:45.05 | scanlime | sigh |
| 00:45.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 00:45.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: split out the image loader into a loadable thingy so that each OS can use one that |
| 00:45.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: works best for it. |
| 00:45.22 | scanlime | I just told you it's the protocol bluetooth radios use to interface with a PC, so obviously I have :P |
| 00:45.30 | hardwire | sigh nothing.. I might not have tbe terminology but its simple enough to figure out what I am saying. |
| 00:45.39 | scanlime | no, it really isn't |
| 00:45.48 | hardwire | ok |
| 00:45.54 | scanlime | when you abuse terminology and sprinkle voip crap all over the place, I really can't tell what you're trying to say |
| 00:46.02 | hardwire | there are usb audio devices that work as phones.. HID + Audio |
| 00:46.11 | hardwire | yes/no |
| 00:46.11 | scanlime | ok |
| 00:46.18 | scanlime | I've heard of these |
| 00:46.24 | ChipX86 | hardwire: see there are three things you need to ask yourself: and that's all well and good. But as for the headsets, with the music and all the glory of it all, hasn't that happend long? And with audio. Think about it. |
| 00:46.40 | hardwire | there are also headsets.. that communicate via either a bluetooth link.. or 900mhz as well.. and are interfaces to via USB |
| 00:47.17 | purple_cow | ChipX86: hehehe |
| 00:47.21 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:48.01 | hardwire | actually I am still going over what chip said |
| 00:48.07 | hardwire | hasn't that happened long isn't parsing |
| 00:48.27 | hardwire | so maybe I need a different point-of-view on that |
| 00:48.37 | hardwire | the super dduper stupid point ov view |
| 00:48.38 | hardwire | I guess |
| 00:52.00 | purple_cow | hardwire: the problem is that you're cramming terms from all levels of the stack into one sentence, without really saying what it is you want to do |
| 00:52.54 | hardwire | two things.. combine a human interface device with a bidirectional audio device.. in one little wireless usb package.. |
| 00:53.23 | scanlime | so you're only trying to connect this with a PC, not with a phone? |
| 00:53.32 | hardwire | yes. |
| 00:53.36 | hardwire | thus why this is so frustrating. |
| 00:53.47 | hardwire | thats what I have been saying ever since I got too teed off to deal |
| 00:53.58 | hardwire | sorry it didn't make sense :) |
| 00:54.17 | scanlime | well, it makes more sense now :P but you're still better off waiting for higher quality bluetooth audio, than waiting for WUSB |
| 00:54.36 | hardwire | I don't see the timelines.. just the stupid ideas sparced by somebody saying "ooh wusb is neat" |
| 00:55.15 | ChipX86 | WUSB is NOT neat! Do you realize the social and economical consequences?! |
| 00:55.21 | hardwire | oh dear god |
| 00:55.33 | hardwire | scanlime: I can hardly find a reason to use a wireless telephony adapter. |
| 00:55.39 | hardwire | so yeh.. |
| 00:56.02 | purple_cow | mmm, salty goodness |
| 00:56.07 | hardwire | mofo |
| 00:56.47 | kergoth | mm, leftover halloween candy |
| 00:56.55 | kergoth | dont have many kids around here |
| 00:56.56 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:57.03 | ChipX86 | not a single person came to my door :( |
| 00:57.07 | purple_cow | i should head over to the grocery store and take advantage of the post-halloween sales |
| 00:57.10 | scanlime | hardwire: I guess I don't see why you'd want a wireless headset you can only use over wireless USB. It might be good for laptops, but who gets out their laptop for VoIP? At home, you'd just plug an off-the-shelf cordless phone into a voip adaptor |
| 00:57.11 | ChipX86 | which means I have 5 bags of candy that nobody got to eat out of but us |
| 00:57.18 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: me too |
| 00:57.25 | pagefault | I was tempted to dress up like a tauren or something |
| 00:57.27 | ChipX86 | I think that's a super idea |
| 00:57.27 | purple_cow | ChipX86: that's OK |
| 00:57.31 | pagefault | and answer the door |
| 00:57.31 | purple_cow | candy is good for you |
| 00:57.39 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: that's what the dentists keep telling me! |
| 01:03.00 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/OSX/osxapp.cpp: ws |
| 01:04.40 | hardwire | scanlime: quality overall would be my reason.. a full digital voice bridge and eventuall WUSB HCI integration into VoIP hardphones to allow for easily interchangable headsets |
| 01:04.58 | scanlime | WUSB HCI? |
| 01:05.01 | hardwire | if a future bluetooth revision helps make this possible.. then replace wireless usb with bluetooth |
| 01:05.12 | hardwire | and if WUSB has no HCI chip.. then just forget I said HCI |
| 01:05.19 | scanlime | HCI is a protocol, not a chip |
| 01:05.23 | scanlime | and no, WUSB doesn't use it |
| 01:05.36 | hardwire | what would a host require hardware wise for WUSB |
| 01:05.57 | scanlime | you'd have a WHCI (analagous to UHCI or EHCI) chip on the motherboard or a PCI card |
| 01:06.25 | hardwire | and I have been lead to believe that HCI defines the host side hardware and interface spec of a host bus for many bluetooth and usb things.. sorry for the confusion |
| 01:06.26 | scanlime | then a UWB radio connected via a standardized PHY layer |
| 01:06.36 | scanlime | well, it's kinda confusing |
| 01:06.45 | hardwire | so.. a WHCI chip? |
| 01:06.51 | hardwire | I wasn't 100% confused? |
| 01:06.56 | scanlime | HCI means "host controller interface" in both the bluetooth and USB contects |
| 01:06.59 | scanlime | er, contexts |
| 01:07.12 | scanlime | but in bluetooth HCI is a protocol that can have several transports, including USB or RS-232 |
| 01:07.29 | hardwire | USB or UART |
| 01:07.32 | scanlime | in USB-land, "HCI" is meaningless, but there are host controller standards that happen to be called UHCI, EHCI, etc. |
| 01:07.50 | hardwire | well.. it is confusing.. |
| 01:08.31 | hardwire | I have two bluetooth adapters.. one of which uses the UART spec over USB.. just to make things odd |
| 01:08.39 | scanlime | ick |
| 01:08.42 | hardwire | and the other uses a completely proprietary one |
| 01:08.48 | scanlime | CSR? |
| 01:09.02 | hardwire | 3com xjack.. I haven't used it in a while |
| 01:09.06 | scanlime | oh |
| 01:09.08 | hardwire | it needed a bc_something driver |
| 01:09.10 | scanlime | that's silly |
| 01:09.17 | hardwire | it rarely worked |
| 01:09.18 | scanlime | oh, broadcom |
| 01:09.25 | scanlime | yeah, older broadcom chips were silly |
| 01:09.37 | hardwire | the small kensington usb things work well without major bluez changes |
| 01:09.41 | scanlime | I'm pretty sure all their recent ones are HCI compliant |
| 01:10.05 | hardwire | thats the one that requires hci_usb |
| 01:10.08 | scanlime | 'without major bluez changes'? Any modern bluetooth adaptor should Just Work |
| 01:10.19 | hardwire | well I am refering to one that wasn't modern |
| 01:10.31 | scanlime | I'm just curious what non-major bluez changes it required :) |
| 01:11.41 | hardwire | the ones from a year ago |
| 01:12.08 | hardwire | I am talking updating stock kernels with bluez patches |
| 01:12.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/inc/ilImageLoader.h: only load image data if we want it |
| 01:12.17 | scanlime | heh |
| 01:12.32 | hardwire | because the stock kernel had older revisions that rarely worked correctly.. or worked well with the bluez hci tools |
| 01:12.40 | hardwire | current bluez hci tools |
| 01:13.03 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (5 files in 4 dirs): only load image data if we want it |
| 01:16.05 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r495 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Copied the old summary. |
| 01:26.43 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/OSX/osxapp.cpp: start an image loader for OSX |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dkuester * r1773 10mck/PyMCK/Mission.py: An implementation of James' dearly beloved scheduled tasks |
| 01:35.45 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r496 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Start enumerating some of the future enhancements |
| 01:39.05 | ChipX86 | cool, change 275275 |
| 01:39.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:39.51 | scanlime | heh, is that a pending changeset? |
| 01:40.03 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:40.15 | purple_cow | oof |
| 01:40.17 | ChipX86 | it won't be that when I submit it :( |
| 01:40.19 | purple_cow | salty pumpkin seeds dried me out |
| 01:47.08 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dkuester * r1774 10mck/PyMCK/Mission.py: hurray, it works |
| 01:51.40 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r497 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: More enhancements. I think these are pretty well done. |
| 01:55.09 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r498 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: switch the order of a couple subsections |
| 01:55.24 | darth_mall | I wonder if I'm so restless because of the significant lack of exercise I've been getting for the last month or more |
| 01:56.19 | purple_cow | sounds likely |
| 01:56.41 | darth_mall | I can hardly focus on anything for more than about 45 minutes |
| 02:14.02 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:15.32 | darth_mall | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739710473912337648 |
| 02:16.35 | kergoth | tail calls hurt my head |
| 02:17.16 | kergoth | eck, no, had too much sweets already |
| 02:17.18 | kergoth | candy |
| 02:17.55 | file[laptop] | did you keep all the treats for yourself? |
| 02:18.46 | kergoth | not many kids around here |
| 02:18.58 | file[laptop] | so that's a yes. |
| 02:19.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:22.06 | purple_cow | i like how their roommate is completely ignoring it |
| 02:37.21 | nullpuppy | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5346529405416096967 |
| 02:58.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (3 files in 2 dirs): asume real paths for image reader |
| 02:59.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/OSX/osxapp.h src/OSX/osxapp.cpp): default data dir function for OSX |
| 03:01.39 | pagefault | that was a good episode |
| 03:07.23 | nullpuppy | ooooh |
| 03:07.25 | nullpuppy | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8546451004418487129 |
| 03:07.40 | nullpuppy | old video, i know.. but someone posted in google video :) |
| 03:09.44 | scanlime | mmm |
| 03:12.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/prefs.cpp: don't write out prefs items that start with #, they are runtime only |
| 03:16.53 | laodamas | Yay! Colorado referendum c seems to be passing |
| 03:16.58 | laodamas | d is a tossup |
| 03:18.16 | pagefault | what is c |
| 03:18.27 | slimspace | something I voted very much against |
| 03:19.49 | pagefault | I have found a web site about it |
| 03:19.56 | pagefault | but all it really tells me that I should vote yes |
| 03:19.58 | laodamas | pagefault: Colorado c readjusts the way the way the government spending cap in calculated in order to compensate for years of negative or flat growth |
| 03:19.58 | pagefault | and not really what it is about |
| 03:20.27 | slimspace | pagefault: bascially it would allow for the state of Colorado to keep taxes it collects over the constitutional limit |
| 03:20.27 | file[laptop] | hmm? |
| 03:20.50 | slimspace | instead of refunding them |
| 03:21.20 | laodamas | slimspace: Yes and no. It readjusted the TABOR cap to the rate that it should be given the population growth of colorado |
| 03:21.36 | slimspace | laodamas: no, it doesn't. It bypasses TABOR completely for the next 5 years |
| 03:21.47 | pagefault | so the government has no reserve money |
| 03:21.48 | pagefault | ? |
| 03:21.56 | slimspace | or so they say |
| 03:22.11 | slimspace | truth is they have plenty of money, they're just not using it in the best ways possible |
| 03:24.11 | laodamas | colorado C readjusts the TABOR cap to use "the highest amount of money the state collects in any year during the next five years to calculate allowable state spending" |
| 03:24.12 | pagefault | thats pretty typical of any government though |
| 03:24.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/ (mapedit.cpp prefs.cpp): |
| 03:24.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: allways search for the data dir, unless it's manualy overriden. it may change if the |
| 03:24.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: app is moved |
| 03:24.44 | slimspace | laodamas: what does that even mean? According to that, they keep the money for pretty much no reason |
| 03:25.06 | pagefault | they should save the money |
| 03:25.11 | pagefault | or invest it |
| 03:25.12 | pagefault | not refund it |
| 03:25.16 | slimspace | no, they're trying to collect this extra money to put into schools and other stuff (which, by the way, they already dump tons into with no real outcomes) |
| 03:25.32 | pagefault | what happens when they have to spend money on something expensive |
| 03:25.38 | pagefault | go into debt? |
| 03:25.55 | slimspace | no, they have *plenty* of money for that |
| 03:26.01 | slimspace | it's not like they're hurting |
| 03:27.22 | purple_cow | it just means they'll cut state funding for colleges more so they can fund other things |
| 03:27.38 | slimspace | if C passes? |
| 03:27.46 | purple_cow | if it doesn't |
| 03:27.53 | slimspace | yeah, I had heard that |
| 03:27.59 | laodamas | slimspace: a no vote on c and d is not the way to accomplish the things you have just mentioned. Involvement with the budgeting process is. |
| 03:28.16 | pagefault | it would probably be better if they let people decide what to do with the money |
| 03:28.31 | slimspace | laodamas: you're right. And how does a poor college student get involved with things like that? |
| 03:28.46 | laodamas | Colorado already has the lowest tax rate in the US and has one of highest benefits to dollar spent. |
| 03:28.47 | slimspace | last time I checked, writing to your local politician doesn't do anything |
| 03:29.44 | slimspace | well, if I had a better idea of exactly what this money would be used for, I might have said yes to it |
| 03:30.03 | slimspace | as it seems, they want to dump it into general things like "education" and "road repair", without saying what those entail. |
| 03:30.50 | laodamas | slimspace: According to state representatives, the money will be used to keep existing programs funded at existing levels. |
| 03:31.04 | slimspace | to what end? |
| 03:31.30 | slimspace | and again, what are these programs being used to do exactly? |
| 03:31.39 | laodamas | Whether you believe that existing state services are a good investment is really dependant on your political bent. |
| 03:31.50 | slimspace | or experience |
| 03:32.54 | laodamas | slimspace: schools, roads, medicare, medicaid, licensing, building inspection, police, fire, homeless support programs, etc |
| 03:33.05 | slimspace | they take millions of taxpayer dollars every year, and they're not even citizens |
| 03:33.54 | laodamas | slimspace: those immigrant expenditures only account for $39 million of the state budget. Legislation already exists to strip those services from the budget |
| 03:34.15 | slimspace | has it passed? |
| 03:34.16 | laodamas | According to Grey Davis |
| 03:34.25 | slimspace | and what does it entail? |
| 03:38.28 | laodamas | slimspace: I dunno. It seems that it is being debated in the Colorado Legislature |
| 03:39.08 | slimspace | well, if it's any good, let's hope it passes |
| 03:41.05 | laodamas | slimspace: http://extras.denverpost.com/2005election/refer.html |
| 03:42.18 | slimspace | depressing... |
| 03:42.41 | slimspace | although it looks like D may have a chance at not passing |
| 03:46.54 | laodamas | What's wrong with the state issuing bonds? |
| 03:47.19 | slimspace | bonds for what? |
| 03:47.45 | darth_mall | dentures |
| 03:48.06 | slimspace | hmm, nothing wrong with that :) |
| 03:53.35 | zak | slimspace: did you see the shiny tingy widget on tess' door? |
| 03:54.21 | slimspace | um...no? |
| 03:54.38 | zak | purple_cow: did you get any clear shots of my pumpkin? |
| 03:55.15 | slimspace | I don't see anything |
| 03:55.25 | purple_cow | zak: the ones on zero are the only non-fuzzy ones from darth_mall's camera |
| 03:55.35 | purple_cow | i have higher-res versions of those, if you want to looks at any |
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| 03:56.57 | slimspace | zak: what widget? |
| 03:57.42 | scanlime | hi zak! |
| 03:57.46 | zak | slimspace: if you are interested in replacing spacegrant on the budget, ITLL needs a sys admin |
| 03:57.54 | zak | $10 for 10 per week |
| 03:58.07 | zak | I suppose that really goes out to any Boulder local |
| 03:58.11 | slimspace | zak: what kinds of systems? |
| 03:58.30 | zak | s/send/sends |
| 03:58.52 | zak | sent |
| 03:59.05 | file | slimspace: it's a trap |
| 03:59.08 | zak | nice thing is, it is only through may 06 |
| 03:59.12 | zak | so it would fit you well |
| 03:59.24 | slimspace | true. |
| 03:59.39 | purple_cow | hmm, i'm speaks good grammars |
| 04:00.58 | slimspace | zak: hmm...might be interesting if I could guarantee 10 hours a week availability |
| 04:01.35 | slimspace | zak: though I didn't tell you...I talked to James yesterday and he made up with me about the last talk we had. He didn't change anything and told me if I wanted to work an hour or so a week, that's fine with him. |
| 04:04.50 | zak | slimspace: up to you, i imagine you might not need 10 hours to do the work they need you to do |
| 04:05.09 | slimspace | yeah, but there was something in there about "odd hours", which concerns me |
| 04:05.10 | zak | i don't think they are counting on getting someone who might have a clue what they are about |
| 04:05.24 | zak | slimspace: as in, unplanned and/or late at night |
| 04:05.34 | slimspace | yeah |
| 04:05.38 | zak | unplanned = not set to a specific schedule |
| 04:05.57 | zak | if you have any interest at all, i suggest you come talk to john |
| 04:06.56 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:07.23 | slimspace | zak: I'll think it over, but most likely I won't go for it. I've got enough from Ball to cover me |
| 04:07.34 | scanlime | zak: I can see your LJ fine if I visit it directly, but the p.t.c feed is still messed up. Might need to have ChipX86 reset a timestamp or something, your post in 2025 probably confused Planet :) |
| 04:07.57 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): png loader for OSX ( pain in the ass ) |
| 04:08.16 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 04:09.45 | ChipX86 | so what exactly is the problem? |
| 04:10.47 | scanlime | it just doesn't seem to be showing new posts |
| 04:10.59 | scanlime | zak put put up a post a while ago with a date in the future, then removed it |
| 04:11.03 | scanlime | I think that confused planet |
| 04:11.05 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 04:11.57 | scanlime | wow, this GUI kinda sucks |
| 04:12.06 | scanlime | outlook webmail needs to be more like gmail :P |
| 04:13.32 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 04:14.19 | ChipX86 | well, I cleared the cache |
| 04:14.22 | ChipX86 | here's the thing.. |
| 04:14.30 | ChipX86 | the rss file on livejournal doesn't have any posts since Sep 22 |
| 04:14.43 | scanlime | oh |
| 04:14.58 | scanlime | weird |
| 04:15.07 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 04:15.21 | ChipX86 | how did she create a post in the future? I thought livejournal regulated all that |
| 04:15.31 | scanlime | nah, you can put in your own timestamps |
| 04:18.09 | kergoth | i didnt go into work again today, and didnt call in again. i cant seem to make myself do what needs doing, and even though i'm likely going to get canned, i cant seem to make myself care, even though i know what the consequences are |
| 04:18.24 | kergoth | i hope the meds kick in soon.. preferably before i find myself unemployed |
| 04:23.21 | zak | ChipX86: that is really strange |
| 04:23.30 | zak | my posts are public again |
| 04:23.34 | Veight | kergoth: thats sometimes called lazyness :P |
| 04:23.35 | zak | and I posted yesterday |
| 04:24.11 | file[laptop] | Veight! be nice to your bro |
| 04:24.18 | Veight | what? |
| 04:24.27 | Veight | it could be described as lazyness |
| 04:24.30 | file[laptop] | he's older, and wiser, and if you suck up he'll give you whatever he has when he dies maybe |
| 04:25.52 | scanlime | zak: could be it takes LJ a while to update the RSS feed after you toggle the publicness flags |
| 04:26.02 | scanlime | but that would be kinda silly |
| 04:26.18 | kergoth | Veight: sometimes it is. not this time. |
| 04:26.25 | Veight | ah ok then |
| 04:26.30 | Veight | hah see file? |
| 04:27.12 | purple_cow | i've noticed some weirdness on LJ RSS feeds inside liferea |
| 04:27.35 | file[laptop] | Veight: no cookie for you |
| 04:27.49 | Veight | ok? i have dairy queen in my freezer :P |
| 04:28.03 | file[laptop] | and soda in the closet? |
| 04:28.09 | purple_cow | isn't dairy queen a restaurant? |
| 04:28.22 | kergoth | must be a big freezer |
| 04:28.26 | Veight | yup :) |
| 04:28.29 | file[laptop] | purple_cow: I was thinking that too |
| 04:29.10 | purple_cow | they have hot dogs too! |
| 04:29.49 | file[laptop] | and chicken strips |
| 04:29.50 | Veight | and barbaque sandwiches |
| 04:30.19 | file[laptop] | Veight: you can spell... right? |
| 04:30.47 | kergoth | no |
| 04:30.49 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 04:30.51 | jbot | I didn't know there was a 5 A.M. mass. I didn't even know there was a 5 A.M. What else haven't you told me!? |
| 04:31.15 | Veight | maybe |
| 04:31.29 | Veight | if i was at school i would try to spell |
| 04:31.31 | Veight | well maybe |
| 04:31.38 | Veight | but usualy i would |
| 04:31.39 | scanlime | ooh |
| 04:31.52 | scanlime | my speakers sound so much better when I cut the PCM volume down a couple more notches :P |
| 04:31.57 | scanlime | yay high quality sound cards |
| 04:32.33 | scanlime | bass was clipping pretty madly, even with it at 80% or so |
| 04:32.48 | kergoth | :\ |
| 04:33.05 | kergoth | maybe i should do that, i'm using on board audio from this mb :( |
| 04:34.46 | darth_mall | oh my god I love Stephen Colbert |
| 04:34.55 | scanlime | :) |
| 04:35.56 | darth_mall | omfg |
| 04:36.05 | darth_mall | "Sandra is a JILF" |
| 04:36.06 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 04:36.19 | kergoth | J? |
| 04:36.23 | darth_mall | Judge |
| 04:36.28 | darth_mall | Sandra Day Oconnor |
| 04:36.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:36.47 | darth_mall | The Word is my favorite segment on this show |
| 04:37.12 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 04:37.18 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9160 10wasabi/ (local_conf.py plugins/mi6k_vfd.py): Several small changes to my Wasabi setup: Back MAX_VOLUME down to 60 to fix audio quality problems, add Warzok to the filesystem, comment out the rasterwand, uvswitch, and unicone. |
| 04:39.12 | zak | blah blah blaaah! |
| 04:39.24 | scanlime | :( |
| 04:40.30 | ChipX86 | you should store everything in b*trees represented in XML |
| 04:40.30 | darth_mall | yes! |
| 04:40.34 | darth_mall | brilliant! |
| 04:40.48 | darth_mall | oh my lord |
| 04:40.52 | darth_mall | Pete & Pete on DVD |
| 04:40.57 | scanlime | ChipX86: I think I'll implement that right this second |
| 04:41.15 | purple_cow | please don't kill off the related panel |
| 04:41.19 | purple_cow | :) |
| 04:41.24 | scanlime | oh, I won't |
| 04:41.38 | scanlime | that will probably stay SQL |
| 04:41.54 | scanlime | I'm most worried about optimizing the retrieval of the latest N messages from a stats target |
| 04:42.02 | scanlime | since right now that's the most common I/O sink |
| 04:43.17 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:43.28 | scanlime | I wonder if linode's I/O tokens get used up by the kernel's read-ahead |
| 04:44.57 | scanlime | zero's so cute! |
| 04:45.11 | scanlime | it's been way too long since I last watched this |
| 04:48.23 | darth_mall | I think Stephen Colbert's favorite question must be "George W. Bush: great president? or greatest?" |
| 04:49.05 | darth_mall | have to see if he asks it on the next show |
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| 04:53.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): working GL contex in OSX |
| 04:56.53 | purple_cow | it's a good question |
| 04:58.32 | darth_mall | "Eagles count as rock, right?" "NO!" |
| 05:00.02 | darth_mall | Stephen Colbert is too funny |
| 05:06.17 | hardwire | wow |
| 05:07.05 | darth_mall | hardwire: wow? |
| 05:07.12 | CIA-5 | Ace: 03kergoth 07reorg * r400 10stdlib/: stdlib: Create branch for playing around with the organization. |
| 05:08.15 | hardwire | wow |
| 05:08.21 | hardwire | 100 gigs in a laptop |
| 05:08.24 | hardwire | and I am all full |
| 05:08.27 | hardwire | twice over today |
| 05:08.53 | hardwire | I have too many dvd mirrors that need to be burned and foldered |
| 05:12.30 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r499 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: split documentation & release subsections out into a separate "deliverables" section |
| 05:15.45 | purple_cow | err, mom |
| 05:17.57 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:31.20 | zak | purple_cow: whatcha making bread for? |
| 05:31.43 | darth_mall | eating |
| 05:31.46 | darth_mall | probably |
| 05:31.47 | darth_mall | or shoes |
| 05:32.24 | lurgy | ooh |
| 05:32.26 | lurgy | or one o them bowls |
| 05:32.30 | lurgy | for putting salads in |
| 05:32.35 | darth_mall | shoe bowls? |
| 05:33.02 | purple_cow | zak: because why not? |
| 05:43.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9161 10motion/py/ (Dance/ODE.py Dance/Sequence.py shuffle.py): |
| 05:43.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Refactoring. The good news is: I'm getting the same results as before. The bad |
| 05:43.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: news: I'm getting the same results as before. |
| 05:52.52 | purple_cow | darth_mall: oh right, i was going to start freaking out at you about that |
| 05:53.19 | lurgy | hehe |
| 05:53.19 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:53.20 | lurgy | it's bender |
| 05:53.23 | lurgy | in a simpsons episode |
| 05:53.25 | lurgy | aw he's gone |
| 05:57.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9162 10motion/py/ (Dance/Sequence.py shuffle.py): |
| 05:57.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Comments in Sequence. Change the initial conditions for the shuffle to be the |
| 05:57.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: same as the original mapping; this should results in the same AMC file out as in |
| 05:57.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: -- it doesn't. >< |
| 05:58.00 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I really don't think it's going to happen |
| 05:58.51 | purple_cow | =/ |
| 05:58.52 | purple_cow | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b3958127.htm |
| 05:59.07 | purple_cow | man. the more interviews he does, the more i think that he really gets it |
| 06:00.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9163 10motion/py/Dance/ODE.py: |
| 06:00.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Delete the Time class. It was a bit silly, I was just having fun with Python |
| 06:00.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: when I wrote that for class last year. |
| 06:01.34 | darth_mall | purple_cow: he's my hero for inventing Zelda |
| 06:02.05 | purple_cow | hehe, yay for fun with python |
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| 06:06.36 | darth_mall | although, I do think games and movies are merging, but only because I'd call FFX barely interactive ;) |
| 06:10.22 | purple_cow | i think some people are trying to do it, i just don't think it's really that great an idea |
| 06:11.23 | darth_mall | indeed |
| 06:11.33 | darth_mall | or more FF6 |
| 06:13.12 | darth_mall | I think I'm just going to have to give up media players that aren't [mpg|ogg]123 |
| 06:16.25 | kergoth | heh, games and movies merging |
| 06:16.49 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9164 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: Shouldn't import a class that no longer exists. |
| 06:17.31 | purple_cow | hehe, i remember those |
| 06:18.04 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i'm pretty much at that stage. i use mplayer sometimes, when i'm feeling cheeky |
| 06:20.19 | darth_mall | hmm... actually... I think this code is working |
| 06:20.36 | purple_cow | oh reese, how you taunt my tummy with your bag of cheap, individually-wrapped confections |
| 06:21.49 | darth_mall | sweet zombie jesus... it is working |
| 06:21.57 | darth_mall | needs a bit of tweaking, but I'm pretty sure it's working |
| 06:22.21 | purple_cow | cool |
| 06:22.59 | darth_mall | so I should at least be able to animate a shuffled AMC file using that tool |
| 06:24.07 | purple_cow | can you mark spots to interpolate? i'd like to at least give that a little bit of love before tomorrow afternoon |
| 06:25.03 | scanlime | "the Denny's on Mathilda logical-west (geographical south) of US-101." |
| 06:25.11 | darth_mall | I haven't worked out a way to do that yet, but I'll see if I can get it done tonight |
| 06:25.47 | darth_mall | purple_cow: does the C++ code do something like that? might make good inspiration... |
| 06:25.54 | purple_cow | scanlime: 101 is N-S, right? |
| 06:26.52 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i think so, but good luck figuring it out |
| 06:26.54 | scanlime | it's kinda curved, more east-west in this area of the peninsula |
| 06:27.16 | purple_cow | well, yeah, but generally N-S |
| 06:27.37 | scanlime | it does seem like cardinal directions should be relative to US-101 and 280 around here, rather than the poles :P |
| 06:27.45 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:28.10 | scanlime | all the major roads curve with the peninsula |
| 06:28.30 | scanlime | so a lot of roads follow that grid, but still other roads are actually lined up north-south or east-west |
| 06:28.35 | scanlime | so you get some intersections with odd angles |
| 06:30.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9165 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: |
| 06:30.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: When shuffling, adjust the step size the same way it was done for mapping the |
| 06:30.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: sequence to the trajectory, otherwise the trajectory stays near the same point |
| 06:30.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: for a number of iterations and you repeat the same frame over and over... |
| 06:30.52 | darth_mall | bad scanlime! |
| 06:31.16 | scanlime | from Dance.Dance import Revolution |
| 06:31.21 | darth_mall | so one of the groups I'm peer reviewing for senior project chose the name DanceDance for their project |
| 06:31.34 | darth_mall | and every time I get a doc to review, gmail displays a bunch of ads for DDR pads |
| 06:31.40 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:31.44 | purple_cow | Revolution.revolve () |
| 06:32.23 | scanlime | head.connect("spinning-event", Revolution.stopRevolving) |
| 06:32.31 | darth_mall | Revolution.simulateDrunkenGorilla (player1, player2) |
| 06:33.01 | scanlime | darth_mall: I think that's the only method :P |
| 06:34.06 | zak | woo! |
| 06:34.08 | zak | home time |
| 06:34.28 | purple_cow | scanlime: yes, dammit |
| 06:34.37 | purple_cow | actually, that's just something i picked up from gnome |
| 06:34.42 | purple_cow | but it's kind of nice |
| 06:34.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9166 10motion/py/shuffle.py: Different initial conditions for the shuffle. |
| 06:35.43 | scanlime | maybe |
| 06:35.51 | darth_mall | I don't know where I got it |
| 06:35.54 | darth_mall | probably from purple_cow |
| 06:36.12 | darth_mall | I think while I was at space grant I picked up method( arg, arg ) |
| 06:36.16 | scanlime | ew |
| 06:36.23 | purple_cow | ew |
| 06:36.26 | scanlime | cory did that all over the place, I hated it |
| 06:36.49 | purple_cow | method (arg) seems more readable to me now, but it could just be that i'm used to it |
| 06:36.52 | scanlime | everything I work on uses method(arg, arg).. and I guess I've never really liked any other style |
| 06:37.16 | darth_mall | heck, purple_cow even trained me on tabstop of 8 |
| 06:38.17 | darth_mall | yay! the shuffled sequence is not just the last frame repeated over and over |
| 06:38.37 | darth_mall | time to reboot my laptop and test it |
| 06:39.21 | scanlime | I should never have added this 'sandbox' area to rex-misc |
| 06:39.33 | scanlime | James is using it as an excuse to dump lots of stuff in version control without really organizing it |
| 06:39.40 | purple_cow | haha |
| 06:39.42 | nullpuppy | w00t! |
| 06:39.47 | nullpuppy | we have a NES hooked up now ;) |
| 06:39.48 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9167 10motion/py/shuffle.py: Increase the number of iterations for this to get a better shuffle. |
| 06:43.23 | darth_mall | excellent |
| 06:43.58 | darth_mall | now to see if I can implement a way to mark where interpolation is needed |
| 06:45.58 | darth_mall | heh... I don't think I ever used the sandbox area |
| 06:48.52 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9168 10motion/py/Graph/ExtraAlgorithms.py: Some hairy gross code for finding the highest probability path. There's probably a really slick, sexy-awesome way to do this, but i'm just not in the zone tonight |
| 06:49.49 | scanlime | darth_mall: it always bugged me that we never standardized on code style at spacegrant |
| 06:50.07 | scanlime | cory did( his, thing ) and I didn't. |
| 06:50.15 | scanlime | at least it's all indented the same |
| 06:53.11 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 06:53.16 | purple_cow | some of the kol merch is actually pretty clever |
| 06:53.20 | purple_cow | http://store.asymmetric.net/images/club_seals.gif |
| 06:54.26 | darth_mall | scanlime: I guess I always followed Cory's conventions, cuz I thought that was the convention ^^ |
| 06:57.39 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:58.43 | purple_cow | man |
| 06:58.51 | purple_cow | CS majors are so totally inept at UI design |
| 06:59.29 | purple_cow | this document i just critiqued is really pretty phenomenally done, except their UI is full of programmer-speak |
| 07:00.12 | darth_mall | yay |
| 07:00.32 | darth_mall | purple_cow: so I think I've just about got a brute force way to find the chunk boundaries ^^ |
| 07:01.39 | purple_cow | that's ok |
| 07:01.47 | purple_cow | not as if i'm not brute forcing the hell outta this system |
| 07:02.04 | darth_mall | well, and there's always refactoring later ^^ |
| 07:03.48 | scanlime | yay |
| 07:03.51 | scanlime | good luck |
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| 07:12.24 | scanlime | hmmm |
| 07:12.48 | purple_cow | http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/157863.html |
| 07:13.04 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:14.20 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 07:14.23 | ChipX86 | yay jdub |
| 07:15.09 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 07:15.22 | purple_cow | conglomerate seems to be winning the create-bugs-tagged-as-gnome-love race |
| 07:16.50 | purple_cow | ah, an xml editor |
| 07:18.20 | darth_mall | grr... why isn't this working |
| 07:19.49 | scanlime | huh. |
| 07:19.56 | scanlime | I had a cron script on navi running CIA backups |
| 07:20.04 | scanlime | it seems to have stopped about a month ago |
| 07:20.13 | scanlime | cron isn't running |
| 07:20.20 | scanlime | I try to restart it, and I can't find the cron binary |
| 07:20.42 | scanlime | oh |
| 07:20.47 | scanlime | /opt/sbin/cron |
| 07:20.48 | scanlime | blah |
| 07:20.51 | purple_cow | haha |
| 07:22.15 | darth_mall | oh, it's not working cuz I'm dumb |
| 07:22.19 | purple_cow | haha, awesome |
| 07:22.37 | darth_mall | purple_cow: got it |
| 07:22.39 | purple_cow | criawips starts by popping up an error message saying "For some reason the presentation you wanted to open could not be opened." |
| 07:22.41 | purple_cow | then it segfaults |
| 07:23.18 | darth_mall | purple_cow: sequences contain a list called boundaries, each entry in the list is an index into the shuffled sequence that is the start of a new chunk |
| 07:23.34 | purple_cow | darth_mall: great |
| 07:23.35 | darth_mall | so for each entry x in boundaries, you need to interpolate between x-1 and x |
| 07:24.14 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9169 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: |
| 07:24.14 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: A working boundary calculation, called immediately after the sequence is |
| 07:24.14 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: shuffled. Includes a long winded explanation as a docstring. |
| 07:27.37 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9170 10motion/py/Graph/ExtraAlgorithms.py: syntax errors are bad |
| 07:27.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9171 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: |
| 07:27.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Some hefty comments in there as well. Mostly for my own benefit because those |
| 07:27.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: were two mistakes it took me a while to notice and I don't want to be confused |
| 07:27.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: the next time I have to go through this code. |
| 07:28.16 | darth_mall | I'm glad I got that done |
| 07:28.27 | darth_mall | purple_cow: sorry I didn't get that boundary stuff done sooner, though >< |
| 07:29.20 | purple_cow | just promise you'll help placate liz if i can't get this doing something ;) |
| 07:32.01 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I shall |
| 07:34.20 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i'm getting an exception running it... |
| 07:34.52 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.52 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.52 | purple_cow | TypeError: dict.__cmp__(x,y) requires y to be a 'dict', not a 'instance' |
| 07:36.23 | darth_mall | d'oh |
| 07:36.26 | darth_mall | that was stupid |
| 07:37.12 | darth_mall | try that |
| 07:37.15 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9172 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: Comparing dictionaries to other dictionaries for fun and profit. |
| 07:39.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.29 | purple_cow | TypeError: Comparison of multiarray objects other than rank-0 arrays is not implemented. |
| 07:39.44 | darth_mall | ohhh... shoot |
| 07:39.56 | scanlime | huh |
| 07:40.16 | scanlime | you can probably trivially just reshape the array then cmp() it |
| 07:40.27 | darth_mall | lemme run some quick tests |
| 07:40.34 | darth_mall | might not need that comparison after all |
| 07:40.40 | scanlime | changing an array's shape is a constant-time operation |
| 07:43.55 | darth_mall | shuffle faster, dammit |
| 07:44.58 | scanlime | hmm |
| 07:45.18 | scanlime | CIA fact of the day: the median size of an uncompressed commit message is about 660 bytes |
| 07:45.28 | purple_cow | mmm album leaf |
| 07:48.59 | darth_mall | whoa... that's weird, the script finished and then segfaulted...:wq |
| 07:49.02 | darth_mall | d'oh |
| 07:49.06 | darth_mall | silly vim messing up my irc'ing |
| 07:49.17 | purple_cow | yay segfault |
| 07:49.36 | purple_cow | maybe a refcounting problem in AMC |
| 07:50.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9173 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: |
| 07:50.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Shouldn't actually need the __cmp__ function for _Frames, since we only create |
| 07:50.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: the frames once and then just pass references around to them like so many |
| 07:50.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: joints. |
| 07:50.58 | darth_mall | purple_cow: it's after everything in the script is done |
| 07:51.02 | darth_mall | I had a print statement at the very end |
| 07:51.07 | darth_mall | it executed it and segfaulted |
| 07:51.13 | darth_mall | it was weird |
| 07:52.05 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I think it's working now |
| 07:52.18 | darth_mall | it didn't throw any exceptions for me when I ran it |
| 07:54.45 | darth_mall | huh |
| 07:54.54 | darth_mall | and without that print statement, it didn't segfault |
| 07:55.12 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:55.12 | purple_cow | "like so many joints" ? |
| 07:55.40 | darth_mall | I was trying to think of something you pass around for the simile |
| 07:55.52 | darth_mall | for some reason that's what came to mind |
| 07:57.28 | purple_cow | apparently it's now legal in denver to carry around an ounce of marijuana |
| 07:57.38 | purple_cow | except it's not legal in colorado or the USA, so it doesn't matter |
| 07:58.52 | darth_mall | hmm... well that segfault looks like a python problem |
| 07:59.12 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9174 10motion/py/ (Dance/MotionGraph.py shuffle-interpolate.py): fix some stupid errors |
| 07:59.18 | darth_mall | and since I'm tired, I'm not going to investigate further |
| 07:59.25 | purple_cow | i really need to create some way to cache these graphs |
| 07:59.29 | purple_cow | creating them takes way too freaking long |
| 08:42.31 | ChipX86 | gah |
| 08:42.35 | ChipX86 | so much to redesign in galago |
| 08:57.33 | hardwire | I need to go to bed |
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| 10:04.17 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9175 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: resolve warnings in buildsystem caused by gconf stuff in dbus plugin |
| 10:24.11 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9176 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/apps_xchat.schemas: add gconf keys for background config |
| 13:56.14 | file[laptop] | ugh |
| 13:56.17 | file[laptop] | destroy mornings |
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| 18:07.28 | ChipX86 | "oday marks the occasion of the release of Gorm 1.0, the Interface Builder for the GNUstep project, and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects." |
| 18:26.03 | numist | morning chippy |
| 18:26.14 | numist | really. it obsoletes gnome and kde? guess we better start packing |
| 18:28.35 | file | SO today's stupid customer complaint of the day: |
| 18:28.39 | file | Complaint: "my number is asking people to record their name and number" |
| 18:28.43 | file | Problem: Number was ringing his home line, and his answering machine was picking up. |
| 18:35.27 | hardwire | rawr |
| 18:35.44 | hardwire | http://www.moogerfoogerchallenge.com/ |
| 18:37.44 | hardwire | I need to start what would basicalyl be called the TDXNet documentation project |
| 18:37.55 | hardwire | where.. I have an organized desk.. adn thats about it |
| 18:38.06 | file | organized desk? NOOOOOOO |
| 18:40.25 | hardwire | yes |
| 18:40.30 | hardwire | holy crap .. |
| 18:40.40 | hardwire | Business Line .. Simple 4 units.. 103.00/mo |
| 18:40.53 | hardwire | Business Complex.. 7 units.. 132/,0 |
| 18:40.59 | hardwire | then premiums |
| 18:41.11 | hardwire | then all sorts of other charges |
| 18:41.18 | hardwire | some multi line hunt groups |
| 18:41.34 | hardwire | whats theis federal access charge-Multiline 18 units.. 138/m0 ? |
| 18:42.17 | hardwire | just amazing. |
| 18:42.49 | hardwire | the telco up here sure has it down to a fine art |
| 18:43.04 | hardwire | then again.. I have converted to PRI.. and they haven't yet disconnected the old hunt groups as i requested |
| 18:43.06 | hardwire | grr |
| 18:43.30 | hardwire | 1,149 isn't what it should cost for one full PRI and two fax lines |
| 18:44.09 | hardwire | we are also paying 300 a month for pre-payed LD through them |
| 18:44.10 | file | including loop? |
| 18:44.11 | hardwire | which needs to stop |
| 18:44.27 | hardwire | I never looked at the bill before.. the accounting ladies are watching me turn red |
| 18:44.36 | file | lol |
| 18:44.48 | hardwire | we like.. talked about all the things we could change |
| 18:44.54 | hardwire | apparently it was up to me to make those changes |
| 18:45.19 | hardwire | this company is already a money pit.. .. I should get ACS to send me reembursements for overpay directly to me |
| 18:45.25 | file | lol |
| 18:45.28 | hardwire | then I won't bother fixing this bill |
| 18:45.30 | purple_cow | wow |
| 18:45.33 | purple_cow | SGI was just delisted |
| 18:45.46 | hardwire | purple_cow: what is it to be "listed" ? |
| 18:46.30 | purple_cow | hardwire: traded on the NYSE |
| 18:46.46 | scanlime | car runs so much smoother now ) |
| 18:46.48 | scanlime | :) |
| 18:46.58 | hardwire | purple_cow: did aliens do it? |
| 18:47.36 | purple_cow | no, a bunch of bad business decisions, combined with overpriced products did it |
| 18:47.38 | hardwire | ooh.. transcoding GPU's |
| 18:48.10 | hardwire | I wonder how soon an off she shelf GPU will be available to transcode dv to theora realtime |
| 18:48.15 | file | hardwire: get off my brainwaves |
| 18:48.36 | hardwire | not the same wave I am afraid |
| 18:48.55 | purple_cow | scanlime: that phone screening thing this morning was funny |
| 18:49.01 | hardwire | purple_cow: you mean the lost in space movie wasn't where advertising money should have gone? |
| 18:49.04 | purple_cow | pretty obvious there are exact words they're looking for |
| 18:51.14 | hardwire | eww |
| 18:51.14 | hardwire | gorm |
| 18:51.17 | hardwire | I used to use window maker |
| 18:51.21 | hardwire | I swore by it |
| 18:51.22 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:51.26 | scanlime | purple_cow: yeah. At that level, you're really just talking to an HR guy reading a script to weed out the total losers |
| 18:51.49 | scanlime | purple_cow: nice to know they've already got you on the phone though |
| 18:51.59 | purple_cow | yeah, woke up up this morning |
| 18:52.17 | numist | nice, yay purple_cow |
| 18:53.32 | scanlime | what the... |
| 18:53.46 | scanlime | FExplorer was apparently a beta, and it expired :( |
| 18:54.40 | scanlime | it's freeware, but they have this silly forced-ugprade thing with expiring betas |
| 18:56.16 | purple_cow | hahahaha |
| 18:56.17 | purple_cow | PA is great |
| 19:10.44 | hardwire | PA? |
| 19:11.07 | hardwire | nm |
| 19:11.21 | hardwire | I am so not tuned in today |
| 19:14.23 | hardwire | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-10-24&res=l |
| 19:14.26 | hardwire | thats terrible |
| 19:14.48 | file | numist: you're like a mouse! |
| 19:15.20 | hardwire | a numist .. mouse |
| 19:17.31 | hardwire | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-10-10&res=l |
| 19:17.32 | hardwire | BWA HA HA |
| 19:19.12 | ChipX86 | SuSE. It's always SuSE. Every weird bug that has made me scratch my head has been because of SuSE |
| 19:19.58 | hardwire | that reminds me |
| 19:19.59 | hardwire | I need music |
| 19:30.03 | scanlime | I think Ellisys' XML export code is even slower than my XML import code |
| 19:31.13 | ChipX86 | that's scary |
| 19:34.08 | numist | damnit what the hell |
| 19:34.46 | numist | like, no workie |
| 19:34.57 | numist | sorry, apparently it's rc1 |
| 19:36.14 | purple_cow | ``In light of the avian bird flu hype, MSNBC asks if your Thanksgiving turkey is safe. EVERYBODY PANIC'' |
| 19:36.38 | scanlime | obviously the solution is to eat less turkey, more pecan pie |
| 19:40.35 | nullpuppy | hrm, thats not good |
| 19:40.40 | nullpuppy | mogwai dustin # emerge -pv netstumbler |
| 19:40.41 | nullpuppy | Segmentation fault |
| 19:40.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 19:40.50 | purple_cow | good hostname |
| 19:40.56 | scanlime | :) |
| 19:40.58 | nullpuppy | wtf |
| 19:41.03 | scanlime | ChipX86: is foundry breaking the build for you too? |
| 19:41.09 | ChipX86 | haven't gotten there yet |
| 19:41.12 | ChipX86 | still building |
| 19:41.15 | nullpuppy | emerge segfaults regardless of what i do now.. |
| 19:41.30 | nullpuppy | erm.. wtf |
| 19:42.59 | ChipX86 | yay devel builds |
| 19:44.20 | scanlime | hah |
| 19:45.31 | nullpuppy | well.. that was definately odd... had to reboot... |
| 20:20.10 | hardwire | I think our PoE unit is responsible for frying a few phones |
| 20:32.33 | numist | (14:30:14) ballard Network >> New record 27478 users reached! |
| 20:32.49 | numist | never seen it that high before |
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| 20:37.38 | pagefault | tacos |
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| 20:38.02 | numist | broke 27500 :D |
| 20:38.06 | pagefault | in what |
| 20:38.47 | pagefault | damnit |
| 20:38.54 | numist | you are not having a good day |
| 20:38.58 | pagefault | I am having extremely bad lag problems |
| 20:39.02 | pagefault | brb |
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| 20:39.43 | pagefault | hey |
| 20:39.45 | pagefault | ok |
| 20:39.47 | pagefault | this gateway is changed |
| 20:39.53 | pagefault | I have no idea if that makes a different |
| 20:39.57 | pagefault | I think my line card is fried though |
| 20:40.24 | file[laptop] | that sux |
| 20:40.47 | pagefault | yes |
| 20:40.50 | pagefault | but the xbox is here |
| 20:41.00 | pagefault | came in a huge box this morning |
| 20:41.05 | pagefault | xbox's weigh a lot |
| 20:41.09 | file[laptop] | nice |
| 20:41.12 | pagefault | as soon as I can get this xbox open |
| 20:41.14 | pagefault | I will start playing with it |
| 20:41.18 | pagefault | but the guy put so much tape on it |
| 20:41.22 | pagefault | I can't even open it to get the xbox out |
| 20:41.40 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 20:42.14 | pagefault | he was paranoid the mailman would take it |
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| 20:46.42 | file[laptop] | hail kergoth |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:54.37 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 20:54.39 | jbot | It's partially an expression of my teenage angst...but mostly, it's a moo cow! |
| 20:54.44 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 20:55.05 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 20:55.05 | jbot | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 21:01.30 | scanlime | oh goodie |
| 21:01.38 | scanlime | ChipX86: tinderbox picked up the error I was having too :P |
| 21:02.06 | scanlime | need a faster machine :) |
| 21:04.38 | numist | bah |
| 21:05.03 | numist | buahaha |
| 21:06.14 | scanlime | I don't think I need an FPU for g++ |
| 21:06.36 | scanlime | I should upgrade my machine at home eventually... |
| 21:06.42 | scanlime | I'm still using a 700MHz PIII |
| 21:07.02 | numist | yikes, man |
| 21:07.09 | scanlime | well, it's a laptop |
| 21:07.18 | numist | indeed |
| 21:07.22 | scanlime | the only working desktop machine I have now is hooked up to my TV.. it's a 1GHz athlon |
| 21:09.01 | numist | hey scanlime who should I talk to about site licenses... the email I sent to the sales drone on vmwares website got lost in the ether |
| 21:09.09 | scanlime | no idea |
| 21:09.11 | darth_mall | scanlime: you should buy a 32" widescreen laptop |
| 21:09.12 | numist | :/ |
| 21:09.23 | numist | darth_mall: you really are good at coming up with bad ideas |
| 21:09.23 | darth_mall | if you don't need a gurney to move it around, it's too small |
| 21:09.32 | darth_mall | numist: gotta be good at something |
| 21:09.39 | numist | true, you beat me there |
| 21:09.48 | scanlime | numist: sorry, I have no idea how sales works. ChipX86 might know a little more... not sure |
| 21:09.55 | numist | hrm |
| 21:10.00 | file | call? |
| 21:10.07 | numist | thats far too easy |
| 21:10.17 | file | I thought so |
| 21:10.32 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r500 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: spellcheckz0r |
| 21:21.09 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r501 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: reword filler text to match new section order |
| 21:24.23 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r502 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: 1-sentence paragraphs are bad |
| 21:27.17 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r503 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Fleshed out the user interface breadth. |
| 21:33.06 | file | ooh VMware has a Canadian office |
| 21:38.31 | hardwire | oh canada |
| 21:38.32 | hardwire | oh canada |
| 21:38.40 | hardwire | where beavers is the best Imax film around |
| 21:38.42 | hardwire | oh canada |
| 21:38.42 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r504 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Mention removeable media in user interface breadth |
| 21:38.43 | hardwire | oh canada |
| 21:39.22 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r505 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Dammit. That's why you spellcheck first. |
| 21:39.37 | ChipX86 | file: I don't think development happens in that office. Probably sales |
| 21:40.08 | file | development? in Canada? blasphemy |
| 21:43.04 | file | hardwire: a normal reflex |
| 21:45.48 | darth_mall | Canada is known for its slave trade... |
| 21:47.53 | scanlime | damnit |
| 21:48.00 | scanlime | so here's a silly bug |
| 21:48.09 | scanlime | this is crashing because "NETGEAR" is exactly 16 bytes |
| 21:48.21 | darth_mall | yay |
| 21:48.42 | darth_mall | 16 is my favorite 2-digit number containing a 1 and a 6 |
| 21:49.38 | file | what about 61? |
| 21:50.07 | kergoth | 1.6 is kinda nice. |
| 21:51.06 | purple_cow | congratulations file |
| 21:51.15 | purple_cow | you can combine two digits into a number in *TWO WAYS* |
| 21:51.19 | darth_mall | at least kergoth came up with something interesting |
| 21:51.51 | hardwire | oh are we having a little bored moment? |
| 21:53.09 | file[laptop] | I'm not that creative :( |
| 21:53.56 | scanlime | mwahaha |
| 21:53.57 | hardwire | I can combine 1 and 6 |
| 21:53.58 | hardwire | 7 |
| 21:53.59 | hardwire | 5 |
| 21:54.01 | scanlime | USB ethernet |
| 21:54.01 | hardwire | 6 |
| 21:54.08 | hardwire | now thats over-creative. |
| 21:54.30 | darth_mall | hardwire: heh |
| 21:55.01 | hardwire | I think I need to get away from mini-itx |
| 21:55.13 | hardwire | and start buying 1/u||2/u servers w/ standard parts |
| 21:55.54 | file[laptop] | hardwire: muahaha we have openpbx.org trademarked in 4 countries now |
| 21:56.03 | hardwire | file[laptop]: wow. |
| 21:56.31 | file[laptop] | hardwire: and we have a build cluster, take that Digium! |
| 21:56.50 | purple_cow | so apparently vmware places great value on their applicants having looked at workstation before the interview |
| 21:56.51 | hardwire | file[laptop]: you tell em |
| 21:57.32 | scanlime | purple_cow: they told you this? |
| 21:57.44 | purple_cow | scanlime: yep |
| 21:57.44 | hardwire | purple_cow: I wouldn't just up and concider an accountant that has no experience with the accounting package.. but has done similar things in the past |
| 21:58.21 | scanlime | hardwire: the thing is, while it's nice if applicants understand our products beforehand, it's hardly a good indicator of whether they know the technology behind them |
| 21:58.21 | purple_cow | might as well download the trial (since the beta won't build the kernel stuff for me without some kercrashing) |
| 21:58.39 | hardwire | scanlime: its not a good gauge. |
| 21:58.55 | hardwire | accountants != programmers |
| 21:58.58 | purple_cow | i'm still chuckling at how the HR lady spent a minute fishing for the term "LIFO" wrt a stack |
| 21:59.06 | scanlime | heh, yeah |
| 21:59.18 | scanlime | I think they used that same set of questions on me |
| 21:59.54 | scanlime | hehehe |
| 21:59.55 | purple_cow | i'm sure they just have one list |
| 22:00.12 | scanlime | got lotsa packets in my analyzer with HTTP headers in them |
| 22:00.18 | scanlime | "GET http://kh2.google.com/" |
| 22:01.01 | hardwire | http://metrix.net/images/MET-KIT-MARK-II-mount.jpg |
| 22:01.08 | hardwire | I should have used a plastic chassis with al lthat head room |
| 22:01.14 | hardwire | so I can put pilot lights off of the gpio |
| 22:01.22 | hardwire | that would have been quite handy |
| 22:02.24 | hardwire | it would have been nice to have all that room to also put a battery + gps in the unit |
| 22:03.25 | hardwire | http://happy9.bogomip.com/albums/work/tdx/dutchharbor/photoalbum_photo_view?b_start=4 |
| 22:03.27 | hardwire | vs what I did there |
| 22:03.31 | scanlime | hah |
| 22:03.31 | hardwire | just to get a serial GPS working |
| 22:03.39 | numist | damnit why is there no good calendaring program in windows :( |
| 22:03.41 | scanlime | perry just closed a USB bug because the company that makes the device went bankrupt |
| 22:03.50 | purple_cow | sgi? |
| 22:03.52 | hardwire | numist: outlook? |
| 22:03.54 | scanlime | hehe |
| 22:03.59 | scanlime | nah |
| 22:04.05 | numist | hardwire: if I used that, it would the the only thing I use it for |
| 22:04.09 | scanlime | it was some weird mp3 player |
| 22:04.17 | purple_cow | it's definitely a good thing i took those photos at siggraph |
| 22:04.27 | purple_cow | now more than ever, it looks like there might not be an sgi at next year's |
| 22:04.30 | pagefault | why do you have to support a device specifically? |
| 22:04.37 | pagefault | I thought vmware just forwarded all USB traffic |
| 22:04.42 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:04.45 | scanlime | we don't |
| 22:05.04 | numist | slightly more complex than that |
| 22:05.13 | scanlime | but specific devices often trigger bugs.. either bugs in our USB emulation, bugs in the guest OS's drivers, or problems related to the limitations in our virtualization |
| 22:05.35 | pagefault | I see |
| 22:06.02 | scanlime | USB is pretty much impossible to virtualize perfectly |
| 22:06.12 | scanlime | so we just have to be ninja-like about hiding the imperfections |
| 22:07.29 | hardwire | numist: maybe think beyond the OS |
| 22:07.31 | hardwire | and more into webapps |
| 22:08.23 | file[laptop] | I like IMAP across all my stuff, but darn... complete integration of my addressbook and calendar across everything including my cell... priceless... |
| 22:08.33 | hardwire | hey |
| 22:08.35 | hardwire | I use imap too |
| 22:08.40 | hardwire | I used to use kmail + imap |
| 22:08.43 | hardwire | and it worked for everything |
| 22:08.52 | hardwire | including syncing to palm pilot |
| 22:09.07 | darth_mall | scanlime: you should ask VMware to change your job title to USB stealth ninja |
| 22:09.11 | file[laptop] | hardwire: which reminds me, we have a Sangoma quad port PRI card in a Dual Opteron, with hardware hdlc and 2 ports on each CPU - even at full utilization 0 problems and 0 audio issues :) and load sticks around 2 |
| 22:09.14 | darth_mall | and then give you more business cards |
| 22:09.16 | hardwire | darth_mall: :) |
| 22:09.34 | hardwire | file: imap != pri |
| 22:09.48 | file[laptop] | hardwire: my mind makes weird connections |
| 22:09.50 | numist | hardwire: ok, riddle me this, what webapps are polished enough for desktop calendaring use? |
| 22:09.58 | hardwire | numist: I can't answer |
| 22:10.02 | darth_mall | numist: pants |
| 22:10.07 | numist | then the suggesting is unhelpful |
| 22:10.08 | file[laptop] | I remembered I added a Sangoma guy to my addressbook, and then I remembered the test switch from this morning |
| 22:10.11 | numist | darth_mall: slacks |
| 22:10.11 | numist | :D |
| 22:10.22 | hardwire | I got mayo and mustard on U and I |
| 22:10.25 | purple_cow | numist: might try hula - i think they're making good progress |
| 22:10.50 | numist | fancy site theyve got |
| 22:11.02 | hardwire | file: so you guys are doing merged voice/data over t1? |
| 22:11.12 | hardwire | or seperated all over the t1 ports |
| 22:11.14 | file[laptop] | hardwire: just voice |
| 22:11.24 | hardwire | then whats the HDLC for? |
| 22:11.42 | file[laptop] | still used for voice |
| 22:11.56 | hardwire | I need to dive more into all of that crap |
| 22:12.10 | file[laptop] | 50% of the CPU is usually done for software HDLC |
| 22:13.26 | hardwire | that reminds me.. fuse and sshfs rule |
| 22:14.16 | hardwire | file: so on PRI hdlc is used for?? |
| 22:14.28 | hardwire | negotiating the signalling type? |
| 22:14.35 | hardwire | pri_net/cpe |
| 22:14.59 | file[laptop] | it's used on the d channel |
| 22:15.07 | hardwire | but to what effect? |
| 22:15.18 | file[laptop] | http://www.sangoma.com/hdlc.htm |
| 22:15.19 | file[laptop] | go read that |
| 22:15.22 | hardwire | and since its only a 64k channel. how does that eat so much cpu? |
| 22:15.38 | hardwire | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDLC |
| 22:15.44 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9177 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (preferences-page-effects.c preferences-page-effects.h): starting to implement some signal handlers |
| 22:17.45 | hardwire | file: is this implying the D-Channel also does frame error notification for the 23 or lower channels it is associated with? |
| 22:18.28 | file[laptop] | one sec, dealing with an agent |
| 22:18.32 | hardwire | ok |
| 22:18.48 | file[laptop] | and I don't know much about it :) |
| 22:19.12 | hardwire | file[laptop]: so wanpipes can use an onboard HDLC signal processor? |
| 22:19.27 | file[laptop] | the A104 can do it in hardware |
| 22:19.37 | hardwire | yeh |
| 22:19.42 | hardwire | I am looking at the A104 now |
| 22:19.46 | hardwire | same FPGA digium uses? |
| 22:20.18 | file[laptop] | dunno |
| 22:20.23 | file[laptop] | uh, what was I going to do, OH |
| 22:20.40 | hardwire | quit getting distracted |
| 22:21.01 | hardwire | my phones are killing themselves left and right |
| 22:21.08 | hardwire | I think our PoE injector is evil |
| 22:23.04 | hardwire | wild.. debian decided to trash my xorg.conf w/o asking. |
| 22:23.13 | kergoth | http://fgmma.com/Gallery/Song/ |
| 22:23.20 | kergoth | http://familyguy.armygrade.com/media/Song/Family_Guy_-_Joe_Choomba.mp3 :) |
| 22:26.35 | hardwire | ok |
| 22:26.45 | hardwire | outfarting michael moore makes me happy |
| 22:27.56 | file[laptop] | well that was classic |
| 22:28.07 | file[laptop] | Agent: Customer says his number is broken |
| 22:28.20 | file[laptop] | Me: It's not broken, it's working perfectly fine. |
| 22:28.24 | file[laptop] | over and over and over |
| 22:28.45 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:28.57 | hardwire | tomorrow you will find out why its broken |
| 22:29.11 | file[laptop] | well I called it from my cell, from our provider, and directly |
| 22:29.18 | file[laptop] | all 3 times - it calls a 248 number |
| 22:30.21 | hardwire | doh |
| 22:30.31 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2000-07-21&res=l |
| 22:30.56 | hardwire | ok.. somebody needs to make a mini-pci OLED display with the display on the mini-pci module |
| 22:31.02 | hardwire | that would very much rule |
| 22:31.06 | hardwire | and be completely useless |
| 22:32.23 | file[laptop] | kergoth: how goes your job search? |
| 22:35.02 | kergoth | few good possibilities |
| 22:35.07 | kergoth | updating teh resume a bit |
| 22:35.52 | file[laptop] | most excellent |
| 22:36.05 | numist | hrm.. how odd |
| 22:36.22 | numist | hula is accessable through 8080, but the web admin interface isnt accessable over 81 like its supposed to be |
| 22:36.53 | numist | ah hah, its 89 now |
| 22:42.43 | numist | damn thats a lot of app for this... |
| 22:42.46 | numist | :/ |
| 22:46.43 | hardwire | damnit |
| 22:46.45 | hardwire | g/f is craving some incrediply comlpex pasta dishes |
| 22:46.47 | hardwire | wow.. and I am out of keyboard alignment |
| 22:48.06 | kergoth | havent listened to kmfdm/mdfmk in a long time |
| 22:48.08 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 22:50.21 | hardwire | yay for fglrx working again |
| 22:50.23 | hardwire | 100's of fps in bzflag |
| 22:50.54 | hardwire | ok.. I really dig the jack-o-lanterns |
| 22:51.51 | hardwire | kergoth: you are searching a new job? |
| 22:52.15 | kergoth | yeah. not sure what i'm looking for yet though. trying to nail it down |
| 22:52.24 | hardwire | if you would ever respect me as your superior intellect.. I would hire you |
| 22:52.27 | kergoth | thinking i'll avoid the kernel/driver work, i'm bored of that and dont miss not doing it |
| 22:52.30 | hardwire | but we all know that will most likely never happen |
| 22:52.50 | hardwire | kergoth: but who will be my netfilter master buddy? |
| 22:52.55 | hardwire | I'm running low..; |
| 22:53.07 | pagefault | victoria |
| 22:53.12 | pagefault | err wrong window |
| 22:53.29 | pagefault | yes |
| 22:53.31 | pagefault | it's a secret to everyone |
| 22:53.52 | hardwire | secrets are rude |
| 22:54.18 | pagefault | there is a WoW quest called that |
| 22:54.28 | kergoth | some of the twisted things you can do with netfilter and policy routing and stuff is fun, but i cant decide if i want to keep doing it |
| 22:54.36 | hardwire | kergoth: hmm |
| 22:54.40 | pagefault | it was funny |
| 22:54.42 | hardwire | kergoth: teacha yoga class? |
| 22:55.55 | hardwire | I know |
| 22:56.12 | hardwire | get a job doing database development for a school system |
| 22:56.25 | hardwire | they use like fourth dimension and you can use a mac all day long |
| 22:56.32 | hardwire | os 9 |
| 22:56.39 | hardwire | thats pretty far away from what you are doing :) |
| 22:56.50 | kergoth | uhm, no |
| 22:56.52 | file[laptop] | come to VoIP, you know you wanna |
| 22:57.11 | hardwire | file[laptop]: don't shuffle voip aroudn like a drug |
| 22:57.23 | file[laptop] | :( |
| 22:57.27 | hardwire | bad file |
| 22:57.41 | kergoth | meh, i started playing with voip some, and asterisk and sep are pretty spiffy and flexible, but i got bored |
| 22:57.55 | file[laptop] | hardwire: nagios takes awhile to tweak and stuff |
| 22:58.00 | hardwire | kergoth: mind just not clenching onto one thing easily? |
| 22:58.07 | hardwire | file[laptop]: I assume so |
| 22:58.13 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:58.14 | hardwire | I am going to attempt to configure.. and can the procedure |
| 22:58.32 | hardwire | kergoth: nothing.. you just get bored really quick |
| 22:58.42 | kergoth | oh, yep, that i do |
| 22:58.47 | darth_mall | hahaha! |
| 22:58.49 | kergoth | thinking i might be happier in a research position |
| 22:58.54 | kergoth | sufficient variety |
| 22:58.54 | hardwire | kergoth: can I make a suggestion :) you need to get into industrial automation.. and robotics :) |
| 22:59.00 | hardwire | its really hard to get bored of it |
| 22:59.11 | kergoth | i was thinking about that actually, i've always been interested in fuzzy logic and neural networks and such |
| 22:59.18 | kergoth | or the gaming industry |
| 22:59.25 | kergoth | code enemy behaviors |
| 22:59.50 | hardwire | kergoth: do the behaviors change in WoW |
| 23:00.07 | hardwire | for instalnce.. WoW is server based.. is the pseudo ai refining itself based on the gamers? |
| 23:00.08 | kergoth | eh, somewhat. its pretty limited |
| 23:00.32 | hardwire | kergoth: you could also look into SCTP and DCCP |
| 23:00.38 | hardwire | and start a gaming network revolution |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | the non-player characters which arent enemies, like quest givers and the like, arent very adaptive. they tend to just stand there waiting for you to talk to them.. missing lots of things that could make it more believable |
| 23:01.37 | hardwire | damnit |
| 23:01.41 | hardwire | I have to go review some accounting package options |
| 23:01.42 | hardwire | bbl |
| 23:01.56 | kergoth | heh, have fun |
| 23:02.01 | hardwire | its not going to be |
| 23:09.04 | kergoth | hehe, talking about Half Baked on another channel. anyone else see that movie? |
| 23:11.18 | pagefault | ooh |
| 23:11.22 | pagefault | WoWbits already updated |
| 23:11.30 | pagefault | btw kergoth you can take out petleash since it doesn't really have a use anymore |
| 23:11.54 | kergoth | petleash? is that an addon or part of servitude? |
| 23:12.00 | pagefault | no |
| 23:12.02 | pagefault | it's seperate |
| 23:12.16 | pagefault | hmm |
| 23:12.18 | pagefault | maybe not |
| 23:12.18 | pagefault | well |
| 23:12.22 | kergoth | heh, i need to go over the addon set with a fine tooth comb. too many damn addons |
| 23:12.24 | pagefault | the servitude you have is really outdated |
| 23:12.26 | kergoth | my local copy has like 120 |
| 23:12.29 | kergoth | nod |
| 23:12.37 | kergoth | will update it |
| 23:12.51 | kergoth | itd be nice if my firefox didnt crash every time i clicked on the 'latest versions' link at curse gaming |
| 23:12.53 | kergoth | reliably, every time |
| 23:13.07 | kergoth | s/reliably/reproducably/ |
| 23:13.10 | kergoth | whatever |
| 23:13.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13.17 | pagefault | are you running the beta? |
| 23:13.19 | pagefault | or stable? |
| 23:13.45 | kergoth | beta crashes before the browser window even comes up. |
| 23:13.50 | kergoth | this is 1.0.7 in ubuntu breeze |
| 23:13.52 | kergoth | breezy |
| 23:13.55 | pagefault | ah |
| 23:13.56 | kergoth | methinks its a library problem |
| 23:14.09 | kergoth | too lazy to investigate, so i'll just gripe and moan instead |
| 23:14.28 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:14.30 | pagefault | 1000g for $42 |
| 23:14.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:14.42 | pagefault | this ad |
| 23:15.05 | kergoth | pagefault: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/ |
| 23:15.10 | kergoth | pagefault: check out all the addons in our svn now :) |
| 23:15.24 | kergoth | oh, someone is writing a new, really fast, really efficient version of nymbia's perl unitframes |
| 23:15.35 | kergoth | and he's already written a version of castparty thats fast, minimal, and doesnt include its own unitframes |
| 23:15.35 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:15.43 | kergoth | good stuffs. |
| 23:15.49 | kergoth | bleh, i should clean |
| 23:15.57 | kergoth | gf will be here on friday, i'm running out of time |
| 23:15.58 | pagefault | hehe cool |
| 23:17.41 | numist | :( |
| 23:17.46 | numist | thief |
| 23:18.04 | kergoth | hmm, http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/4/3/43e48cea299d6eb6ad40e0e9330ae648@activejobs0&c=1&source=1 looks like a pretty easy contract |
| 23:22.15 | purple_cow | kergoth: danger! |
| 23:22.38 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:23.05 | purple_cow | IT + easy = boring |
| 23:23.06 | purple_cow | in fact |
| 23:23.07 | purple_cow | IT = boring |
| 23:23.42 | kergoth | true enough, but that sort of stuff can at least be done mindlessly. i cant code unless i'm interested in it. other things i can do without thinking about it, which might be good, at least until my meds kick in |
| 23:24.05 | kergoth | though that should be soon, week at the outside |
| 23:32.40 | kergoth | purple_cow: not since coming back to mn. did try back in tx and while it improved my energy a bit, it didnt improve the mood or motivational problems |
| 23:32.42 | kergoth | :\ |
| 23:32.53 | file[laptop] | pagefault: Aliant is broken again |
| 23:33.21 | file[laptop] | :x |
| 23:35.26 | pagefault | fun |
| 23:40.24 | purple_cow | ok, lets see if i can do the vmware-config.pl thing without crashing |
| 23:42.35 | purple_cow | ...apparently not |
| 23:42.49 | ChipX86 | it's crashing? |
| 23:43.09 | numist | :( |
| 23:43.12 | purple_cow | taking down my entire system |
| 23:43.16 | ChipX86 | at which stage? |
| 23:43.26 | purple_cow | let me run it again and find out |
| 23:46.26 | purple_cow | script finishes, then kercrash |
| 23:46.28 | file[laptop] | I'm on the webchat |
| 23:55.42 | *** join/#tacobeam file[lap1op] (n=jcolp@mctnnbsa31w-142166093076.nb.aliant.net) |
