| 00:02.53 | numist | bad scanlime, its obviously your fault |
| 00:05.52 | ChipX86 | 17:05 already |
| 00:06.34 | ChipX86 | hahhaa |
| 00:06.47 | ChipX86 | http://thedailywtf.com/ <-- best boolean enum ever |
| 00:07.36 | scanlime | hahaha |
| 00:08.48 | ChipX86 | the next one is great too |
| 00:09.04 | scanlime | yeah, I was just reading that :) |
| 00:09.24 | ChipX86 | "It's called hex." "You're just making that up!" |
| 00:09.34 | purple_cow | Well, duh! There's your problem! You have letters all mixed in with the numbers!. |
| 00:09.56 | ChipX86 | two compiles going at once is slow |
| 00:09.58 | numist | yeah, that hex one is :o |
| 00:10.00 | scanlime | I should say that next time I'm looking at a USB analyzer dump with Chris in the room :P |
| 00:10.08 | numist | scanlime: :P |
| 00:11.02 | darth_mall | bah |
| 00:11.46 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 00:12.01 | ChipX86 | the "Argument About Argument Validation"'s first paragraph seems to describe someone I know perfectly |
| 00:12.21 | ChipX86 | or almost perfectly |
| 00:12.35 | numist | gah don't click on the article links :( |
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| 00:13.53 | ChipX86 | yay for doing a nearly full build on the wrong tree |
| 00:14.35 | scanlime | I think this USB code needs to keep making this buffer bigger until windows crashes, then make it a little smaller |
| 00:32.08 | ChipX86 | yay, bales of hay |
| 00:37.55 | scanlime | nobody seems to implement isochronous feedback according to the spec |
| 00:39.10 | scanlime | guh |
| 00:39.24 | scanlime | this nagware idea Geoff is suggesting on funlist is awful |
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| 00:39.44 | purple_cow | ? |
| 00:39.55 | scanlime | oh, and ChipX86 just replied to it |
| 00:40.23 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: he wants the player to nag saying to buy workstation |
| 00:40.28 | ChipX86 | which defeats the entire purpose of what we're trying to do |
| 00:41.17 | purple_cow | ugh |
| 00:41.34 | purple_cow | i don't even use player (yet?), but that idea angries up my blood |
| 00:41.44 | ChipX86 | it won't happen |
| 00:41.46 | ChipX86 | none of us will do it |
| 00:42.02 | ChipX86 | and the people who are in charge of decisions don't want that |
| 00:43.40 | purple_cow | yay |
| 00:43.50 | purple_cow | would you like to take a moment to register me? |
| 00:48.46 | scanlime | see, I figured several people would point out all that without me having to lift a finger :) |
| 00:58.44 | scanlime | -rw-r--r-- 1 micah mts 529M 2005-10-24 17:58 /tmp/vmx-micah.log |
| 00:58.46 | scanlime | =( |
| 00:59.25 | file | pesky British people |
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| 01:12.38 | purple_cow | <jcarr> is there a way I could get a non-GPL licensed version of xchat? |
| 01:12.43 | purple_cow | <jcarr> I would like a non_GPL licensed version though cuz the GPL is viral |
| 01:12.43 | purple_cow | <jcarr> using xchat on my workstation would mean I have to open up all the code I work on on my workstation |
| 01:12.43 | purple_cow | <jcarr> That's the nature of viral licensing |
| 01:13.04 | scanlime | hahaha |
| 01:13.26 | scanlime | I sure hope that guy's joking |
| 01:14.29 | scanlime | oh wow |
| 01:14.35 | scanlime | 678MB resident on my analyzer |
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| 01:53.33 | purple_cow | RAWR |
| 02:00.30 | purple_cow | what inspiration does today's challenger bring? |
| 02:06.15 | ChipX86 | mmm |
| 02:06.43 | purple_cow | yep, they're tasty |
| 02:07.04 | purple_cow | i haven't had them since i was about 9 years old, which i think is the last time i carved a pumpkin with my dad |
| 02:07.28 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 02:09.49 | Cae | I want pumpkin seeds. |
| 02:10.11 | purple_cow | they're not hard to get this time of year |
| 02:10.26 | ChipX86 | sometimes you have to wrestle the pumpkins to the ground first |
| 02:10.34 | purple_cow | :) |
| 02:10.44 | ChipX86 | but once they're subdued, it's easy to scoop out their innards and eat them |
| 02:14.07 | Cae | I like big knives |
| 02:14.15 | Cae | big knives..big..other things.. |
| 02:14.21 | Cae | feet. yeah. feet. |
| 02:14.34 | Cae | and pumpkins. big pumpkins. |
| 02:14.38 | Cae | that thump properly. |
| 02:14.42 | Cae | good thumping. |
| 02:15.39 | Cae | mint chocolate chip ice cream, law and order, and assembly (mips) |
| 02:16.44 | Cae | some people like their pumpkins to thump hard. some soft. some like their stems long, others short. |
| 02:17.16 | Cae | it all comes down to the seeds. if it's got a lot of seed, it's a good pumpkin. |
| 02:17.23 | Cae | just gotta get the seed out of it. |
| 02:18.51 | Cae | actually I'm hot and bothered by assembly. |
| 02:18.54 | Cae | silly purple_cow |
| 02:21.03 | Cae | I just can't get the assembly to fuck. |
| 02:21.13 | Cae | I would probably have better luck with a pumpkin. |
| 02:21.21 | Cae | especially some of those decorative ones. |
| 02:22.17 | Cae | a pumpkin would probably generally be better for a guy. you know, you cut a hole and all. |
| 02:22.24 | Cae | that might be uncomfortable though. |
| 02:22.45 | Cae | I mean..you'd have to be sure to bevel the edges so you wouldn't chafe. and the inside is really quite slimy. |
| 02:22.57 | Cae | but I suppose it would be an interesting sensation. |
| 02:23.07 | Cae | maybe worth trying once. |
| 02:23.13 | purple_cow | no thanks |
| 02:23.22 | Cae | what on earth would that smell like.. |
| 02:23.24 | Cae | I mean.. |
| 02:23.35 | Cae | pumpkin...and..well. |
| 02:24.18 | Cae | nah. I would have better luck with cucumber-shaped pumpkins. ooh, or gourds. |
| 02:24.30 | Cae | pumpkins are a kind of gourd, right? |
| 02:25.22 | purple_cow | they're a squash |
| 02:25.37 | Cae | hm. squash. |
| 02:25.46 | Cae | that would be softer, anyway. |
| 02:25.58 | Cae | some of them are kinda ridgy |
| 02:26.18 | Cae | that would just be strange though. |
| 02:29.07 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:29.11 | kergoth | xchat-gnome crashes every time i run it now |
| 02:29.16 | kergoth | :( |
| 02:29.26 | kergoth | man, The Animal.. the cameos are funnier than the movie |
| 02:29.31 | kergoth | still amusing though |
| 02:29.37 | kergoth | i didnt realize norm mcdonald made an appearance |
| 02:31.08 | purple_cow | kergoth: backtrace? |
| 02:32.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:32.16 | kergoth | purple_cow: cant repro it anymore. i connected to the proxy with irssi and now xchat-gnome doesnt crash anymoer |
| 02:32.26 | kergoth | mustve changed what the proxy server was telling it |
| 02:33.23 | purple_cow | weird |
| 02:36.07 | Cae | maybe I should get myself a boyfriend. or a girlfriend. I don't think I'm really looking for a girlfriend though. hm. but I'm not sure. |
| 02:36.34 | kergoth | both? |
| 02:36.46 | kergoth | thatd certainly keep things interesting |
| 02:36.46 | Cae | that sounds good. threesome! :) |
| 02:37.09 | kergoth | sounds like a pile of drama waiting to happen though |
| 02:37.13 | Cae | yeah. |
| 02:37.18 | ChipX86 | threesome? |
| 02:37.26 | ChipX86 | sounds fun |
| 02:37.32 | Cae | oh, I'll post renfest pics from Nov. 5th. |
| 02:37.43 | Cae | (this, naturally, requires Nov 5th to happen first) |
| 02:37.49 | kergoth | naturally |
| 02:37.57 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 02:38.09 | kergoth | too bad i'm up here again, wanted to go this year |
| 02:38.15 | Cae | I'll wear my new bodice. |
| 02:38.28 | Cae | kergoth: ooh. you could've been my escort. |
| 02:38.38 | Cae | I need the guys. they keep the other guys away. |
| 02:38.49 | kergoth | nod |
| 02:38.57 | Cae | on the other hand, this is why I carry sharp objects. |
| 02:39.03 | Cae | so..it's all good. |
| 02:39.10 | Cae | that and I know half of the vendors. |
| 02:39.18 | kergoth | yay sharp objects |
| 02:39.19 | kergoth | i need more |
| 02:40.33 | kergoth | i wish i'd stop trying to change channels with /win in xchat-gnome |
| 02:40.35 | kergoth | doesnt work very well |
| 02:40.41 | Cae | heh |
| 02:41.50 | kergoth | i love that i'm getting nearly the entire Ace wow addon development community using svn |
| 02:42.25 | purple_cow | kergoth: it probably wouldn't be too hard to implement /win if you wanted a project ;) |
| 02:42.53 | kergoth | when it annoys me sufficiently, i will |
| 02:42.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:10.29 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r379 10prototype/src/menu/CityLayout.java: Disallow wrapping. In a large cityscape, this can confuse users. |
| 03:51.09 | scanlime | this dinner is certainly.. uh... |
| 03:51.11 | scanlime | I'm not sure I have a word for this |
| 03:51.20 | file[laptop] | interesting? |
| 03:51.24 | scanlime | maybe |
| 03:51.31 | scanlime | raisin bran with soy milk |
| 03:51.34 | scanlime | it's actually quite tasty |
| 03:51.44 | ChipX86 | I was going to say diseased |
| 03:51.52 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:51.53 | ChipX86 | anyone want to play bzflag? |
| 03:52.48 | purple_cow | yes :( |
| 03:53.02 | ChipX86 | purple_cow needs a computer that can play bzflag |
| 03:55.15 | scanlime | hmm |
| 03:56.10 | file[laptop] | hrm, plane ticket: $680, train: $211 |
| 03:56.18 | file[laptop] | 4 hours versus 15... |
| 03:56.21 | scanlime | I'm really quite amazed by how good soy milk tastes on raisin bran |
| 03:56.23 | scanlime | this is amazing |
| 03:56.27 | scanlime | see, I'm amazed |
| 03:58.12 | purple_cow | scanlime: hmm.... |
| 03:58.35 | purple_cow | i've got a geforce4 in fembot... |
| 03:58.50 | scanlime | yeah |
| 03:58.55 | scanlime | bzflag would not be happy on this laptop |
| 03:58.56 | purple_cow | scanlime: if you think soy milk on raisin bran is good, try half&half |
| 03:59.03 | scanlime | intel 8crap with buggy drivers |
| 03:59.10 | scanlime | purple_cow: yikes |
| 03:59.23 | purple_cow | only slightly |
| 03:59.25 | purple_cow | worth it though |
| 03:59.41 | scanlime | wonder if vanilla ice cream on raisin bran is any good |
| 03:59.45 | purple_cow | ew |
| 03:59.47 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:59.48 | purple_cow | well, maybe ew |
| 04:00.21 | scanlime | well, it isn't that much different from half and half... I know vanilla is good on it since this soy milk is somewhat vanilla flavored |
| 04:01.46 | scanlime | shocking! I can't find any web pages on the performance characteristics of symbian's filesystem |
| 04:02.01 | scanlime | I guess I'll have to run some tests to find the most efficient way to lay out the pyhole cache on disk |
| 04:02.15 | purple_cow | oh no! jen accused me of having a sense of humor |
| 04:02.28 | scanlime | gah! sacresy! |
| 04:04.32 | file[laptop] | yay epoxies |
| 04:07.29 | scanlime | file likes the epoxies? |
| 04:07.37 | scanlime | yay.. cereal, beer and python. My life is almost complete |
| 04:07.45 | file[laptop] | scanlime: yes, yes I do |
| 04:08.20 | scanlime | sigh |
| 04:08.27 | scanlime | can't wait to have a laptop with built-in wifi and bluetooth |
| 04:08.40 | scanlime | I have two relatively giant protrusions on this one |
| 04:09.09 | scanlime | it'd be better if I wasn't stuck with an original WaveLAN 802.11 card |
| 04:09.30 | scanlime | 'cuz my stupid laptop's cardbus controller flakes out too much to make my tiny netgear wifi card usable |
| 04:13.40 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r380 10prototype/src/menu/Building.java: Add wrapping to the text. It still looks ugly as hell, but at least it's not overlapping text anymore. |
| 04:14.58 | Cae | 12pm EST = ?? CST |
| 04:15.02 | Cae | 11am? |
| 04:19.12 | purple_cow | yes |
| 04:19.32 | Cae | okay |
| 04:33.11 | scanlime | gah |
| 04:33.13 | scanlime | Tuxmachines.org has a review of LG3D, a LiveCD distro using Sun's Looking Glass technology. It looks very promising for the future of desktops, but it still has a ways to go." |
| 04:33.36 | purple_cow | gah |
| 04:33.40 | numist | ... |
| 04:33.45 | numist | Looking Glass has a future? |
| 04:33.53 | numist | I didnt know that it was even publicly usable |
| 04:33.58 | purple_cow | sure it does |
| 04:34.08 | purple_cow | it's just not a future that involves me using it as a desktop |
| 04:34.53 | purple_cow | and it's publically usable |
| 04:35.02 | purple_cow | there are just no applications worth using written for it |
| 04:38.28 | scanlime | you should port Netscape 3 to LG3D |
| 04:38.59 | scanlime | actually, I'm kinda surprised they didn't write a VRML browser for it :P |
| 04:42.45 | nullpuppy | yay Invader Zim |
| 04:42.47 | nullpuppy | ~emulate gir |
| 04:42.52 | jbot | aww, my bees... |
| 04:42.52 | kergoth | yay |
| 04:42.54 | kergoth | ~emulate dib |
| 04:42.56 | jbot | See Gaz, to defeat my enemy I must study my enemy, then become my enemy, then move in with my enemy, then wear my enemies clothes, then... |
| 04:43.03 | purple_cow | i can't load tuxmachines.org... |
| 04:43.26 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, vrml is hard |
| 04:43.57 | scanlime | purple_cow: it's slashdotted prolly |
| 04:44.24 | scanlime | heh, vmware's web site broke pretty badly when it got on slashdot |
| 04:44.26 | scanlime | that amused me |
| 04:44.30 | file[laptop] | goodnight all |
| 04:48.26 | scanlime | haha |
| 04:48.28 | scanlime | "Like other, similar projects, it strives to achieve compatibility with most existing software written for DOS. Unlike these, however, it will not stop there. The long-term goal will be to gradually evolve DR-DOS into a modern PC operating system with all features that one would expect of one of these, but hopefully without the weaknesses of other existing next-generation PC operating systems. How long it will take to achieve this goal |
| 04:48.28 | scanlime | remains to be seen, but I am confident that it will become reality. |
| 04:48.29 | scanlime | '" |
| 04:48.53 | purple_cow | hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 04:49.03 | scanlime | why does it seem like everyone out there that works on an operating system thinks there's some reason theirs will be better than all the others? |
| 04:49.25 | scanlime | because people that don't think like that don't write their own operating system, or maintain dead ones |
| 04:50.57 | purple_cow | the best part is that it's better than other OSes, but based on DOS |
| 04:51.10 | scanlime | well yeah |
| 04:51.16 | scanlime | DOS isn't slow like other OSes, right? |
| 04:51.23 | scanlime | it doesn't have "bloat" |
| 04:51.25 | scanlime | or "features" |
| 04:51.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:51.28 | scanlime | or a "kernel" |
| 04:51.55 | purple_cow | well, obviously you want the apps to have the full resources of the computer |
| 04:51.57 | scanlime | it actually amuses me greatly when people call the memory-resident portions of DOS a "kernel" |
| 04:52.02 | scanlime | hehe, yeah |
| 04:52.13 | laodamas | isn't dos just a glorified interrupt handler? |
| 04:52.19 | scanlime | DOS is just a little standard library that happens to live in your interrupt table |
| 04:52.21 | purple_cow | laodamas: it has a filesystem! |
| 04:52.48 | scanlime | purple_cow: it *is* a filesystem |
| 04:52.52 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:53.01 | scanlime | there's very little to DOS other than the filesystem and a way to load programs from disk |
| 04:53.23 | laodamas | and HIGHMEM.SYS :P |
| 04:53.56 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:54.02 | scanlime | mov ax, CREATE_WIDGET |
| 04:54.07 | scanlime | mov bx, WIDGET_LISTBOX |
| 04:54.09 | scanlime | int 0x42 |
| 04:54.17 | purple_cow | ow |
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| 04:54.33 | scanlime | and it'd be really fast, 'cuz software interrupts are like that |
| 04:55.00 | scanlime | and because 16-bit pointers are cooler than 32- or 64-bit pointers |
| 04:58.14 | scanlime | hah. He's got people on his forum complaining about the 32MB memory limit :P |
| 04:58.46 | scanlime | wonder if vmware has an hgfs driver for DOS... |
| 04:58.48 | scanlime | :P |
| 04:59.17 | scanlime | with hgfs and a better VGA emulation, vmware might be almost as good as dosbox for that |
| 05:03.02 | kergoth | woot |
| 05:03.12 | kergoth | got the vcp cvs source setup, can use svk to mirror upstream cvs repoisotries |
| 05:03.14 | kergoth | repositories, even |
| 05:11.55 | scanlime | wow |
| 05:12.14 | scanlime | symbian is really bad at sharing disk throughput across mutiple processes |
| 05:12.49 | scanlime | this would make a horrible server OS, it's obviously unsuitable for phones |
| 05:13.26 | scanlime | kergoth: you know off the top of your head what the O() is for directory lookups in ext2? |
| 05:17.13 | purple_cow | damnit, my cheddar cheese went all moldy |
| 05:17.34 | scanlime | :( |
| 05:17.54 | scanlime | google amuses me sometimes |
| 05:18.01 | scanlime | I searched for "happy donuts" without specifying a city |
| 05:18.04 | scanlime | one result |
| 05:18.22 | scanlime | "Bartlesville City Library" in Bartlesville, Oklahoma |
| 05:20.18 | purple_cow | hah, whoops |
| 05:20.32 | purple_cow | apparently 'mplayer -fs mplayer -fs carp.avi' is a valid command |
| 05:21.05 | scanlime | hehe |
| 05:21.10 | scanlime | wow |
| 05:21.26 | scanlime | ext2 looks to be (as far as I can tell) constant time for filename lookup |
| 05:21.40 | scanlime | I wonder how bad the results will be from running this on symbian... |
| 05:21.58 | scanlime | my phone is still kind of locked up, waiting on disk I/O :P |
| 05:22.03 | purple_cow | if you're planning to implement ext2 in python running on symbian, don't tell me |
| 05:22.09 | scanlime | no, no |
| 05:22.21 | scanlime | I'm just profiling the filesystem to try to figure out the most efficient way to lay out my cache |
| 05:22.39 | purple_cow | ok |
| 05:22.48 | scanlime | if lookup is already O(log n) or so, no point in doing anything bug spewing all the tiles into a single directory |
| 05:22.57 | scanlime | but if their file lookup efficiency sucks, a deep tree is better |
| 05:23.09 | scanlime | s/bug/but/ |
| 05:23.44 | scanlime | I'm also not sure if they do any caching of directory entries in RAM |
| 05:23.56 | scanlime | if so, I want to work on spatial locality |
| 05:24.32 | scanlime | but then, this is FAT.. so it will prolly suck no matter what I do |
| 05:25.02 | scanlime | symbian actually has a pretty neat database built-in, but it can only load jpegs and pngs from normal files |
| 05:25.03 | scanlime | so that sucks |
| 05:25.53 | scanlime | uncompressed map tiles would be 128K each, so I'd definitely be limited by the MMC card's bandwidth then |
| 05:28.25 | scanlime | damn you Symbian |
| 05:28.34 | scanlime | at least this isn't PalmOS |
| 05:35.05 | alm262 | does anyone know where gonkulator is or when he'll be back online? |
| 05:35.24 | scanlime | he's probably out huffing kittens |
| 05:37.29 | purple_cow | hehe, speaking of, i like the featured image on uncyclopedia |
| 05:40.29 | scanlime | hehe |
| 05:45.52 | scanlime | gah |
| 05:46.00 | scanlime | one *second* of timer resolution? |
| 05:48.11 | purple_cow | ew |
| 05:48.14 | kergoth | scanlime: not offhand |
| 05:48.21 | scanlime | oh |
| 05:48.26 | scanlime | time.clock() is better |
| 05:48.31 | scanlime | it's just one second for time.time() |
| 05:51.27 | scanlime | hrmph |
| 05:51.36 | scanlime | symbian's runtime comes with the 'thread' module but not 'threading' |
| 05:51.53 | nullpuppy | kergoth: poke |
| 06:10.06 | lurgy | yay kittens |
| 06:10.23 | purple_cow | i don't think there are any episodes with kittens as the theme ingredient... |
| 06:11.10 | lurgy | :'( |
| 06:15.09 | purple_cow | slimspace: can you think of a way to get the text in the cityscape menu to be part of the unlit scene branch? |
| 06:15.30 | slimspace | um, maybe? |
| 06:15.37 | purple_cow | billboarded lit quads draw wrong on my video card :P |
| 06:15.48 | slimspace | I see... |
| 06:16.05 | slimspace | doesn't really make sense to have them drawn with lighting anyway |
| 06:16.06 | purple_cow | well, it'll also look better, but mostly it's just a selfish request :) |
| 06:21.11 | slimspace | hmm, all the ways I can think of off the top of my head lend themselves to being incredibly messy... |
| 06:22.17 | purple_cow | slimspace: if it's messy, don't bother. looks like with the wrapping, i'm not getting bright white blocks anymore |
| 06:22.42 | purple_cow | so maybe it's only a bug in the chipset if there's a depth buffer collision |
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| 06:23.05 | slimspace | that could be. What chipset? |
| 06:23.16 | purple_cow | i8crummy |
| 06:23.23 | Laser_Dolphin | Greetings |
| 06:23.30 | slimspace | purple_cow: mmm...I get similar artifacts sometimes on my ati |
| 06:24.02 | Laser_Dolphin | Greetings slimspace |
| 06:24.38 | purple_cow | slimspace: the lg3d lighting api is crap. maybe we can work with them to improve it before we start on the main implementation? |
| 06:24.45 | Laser_Dolphin | Who knows fortran? |
| 06:24.55 | purple_cow | i already want to redo their text node |
| 06:25.00 | purple_cow | Laser_Dolphin: darth_mall does! |
| 06:25.08 | Laser_Dolphin | w00t! |
| 06:25.09 | purple_cow | why are you doing fortran? |
| 06:25.50 | slimspace | purple_cow: that might not be a bad idea |
| 06:26.15 | purple_cow | i'd really love a way to just turn off GL_LIGHTING for branches of the graph |
| 06:26.24 | purple_cow | instead of having to deal with their light scopes thing |
| 06:26.33 | slimspace | mmm, yeah |
| 06:26.53 | purple_cow | would also increase performance, since it can bypass that part of the pipeline |
| 06:27.22 | Laser_Dolphin | but I can't read it |
| 06:27.23 | Laser_Dolphin | :( |
| 06:27.26 | purple_cow | hahaha, sucker |
| 06:27.33 | purple_cow | fortran *and* matlab |
| 06:27.35 | slimspace | purple_cow: well, I can think of one way to control the lighting a little better at least...Instead of adding the lit or unlit menus at the StateController level, we could have the menus add themselves as needed |
| 06:27.37 | purple_cow | doesn't get better than that |
| 06:28.05 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah, that could work |
| 06:28.12 | purple_cow | that way it could have individual branches within a menu |
| 06:28.26 | slimspace | yeah |
| 06:31.49 | Laser_Dolphin | In my channel surfing, I saw this guy sing through a mega-phone into a microphone |
| 06:32.01 | Laser_Dolphin | would that be a mega-micro-phone? or just a phone? |
| 06:32.12 | Laser_Dolphin | The mega would cancel the micro |
| 06:32.13 | purple_cow | slimspace: i think i'm going to change the menus around to point the cityscape at /tmp/video and avoid that second ring menu -- will that screw you up? |
| 06:32.49 | scanlime | Laser_Dolphin: I think you'd still end up with phone^2 after the cancelling |
| 06:32.58 | Laser_Dolphin | he he he |
| 06:33.00 | slimspace | purple_cow: it will insomuch as I don't have a /tmp/video |
| 06:33.02 | Laser_Dolphin | hiya scanlime |
| 06:33.09 | scanlime | hey |
| 06:33.09 | Laser_Dolphin | how be you? |
| 06:33.10 | scanlime | not bad |
| 06:33.11 | purple_cow | and everyone knows that phone^2 just sounds bad |
| 06:33.20 | scanlime | except I think I'm turning into a californian.. I'm wearing warmish clothes indoors |
| 06:33.28 | Laser_Dolphin | Yeah, it did sound bad, but it made me watch the rest of it |
| 06:33.29 | purple_cow | slimspace: well, me neither, but it would get rid of the hard-coded paths that are there for video right now |
| 06:33.43 | purple_cow | as well as all the tmpfile garbage in the cityscape :) |
| 06:33.56 | slimspace | purple_cow: why mess with it right now? We can always change it later |
| 06:33.59 | scanlime | also, I think I've found new motivation in life |
| 06:34.07 | scanlime | instead of procrastinating homework, I shall procrastinate CIA email |
| 06:34.35 | purple_cow | slimspace: dunno, i'm just tired of seeing cg7ZjGNj and ssh-BGEJbS7035 in there :) |
| 06:34.49 | slimspace | Why not change it to the current directory, or to $HOME? |
| 06:34.51 | slimspace | or / |
| 06:35.57 | purple_cow | because that doesn't help solve the garbage-files problem. the idea is that any of us can stick some stuff into /tmp/video and have the menu look like bruce might expect |
| 06:36.19 | purple_cow | without the filename hard-coding i've done in the current video ring menu |
| 06:37.09 | slimspace | purple_cow: I suppose so. I'll probably just maintain a pointer to /media/ext_hdd/Media/Video myself, because that's where my videos are |
| 06:37.40 | purple_cow | slimspace: yep, i was planning to do something similar on fembot |
| 06:38.04 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r381 10prototype/data/menus/video.menu: moving around, step 1. don't 7up yet |
| 06:38.56 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r382 10prototype/data/menus/ (video-tmp.menu video.menu): done |
| 06:39.08 | slimspace | sounds good |
| 06:39.13 | Laser_Dolphin | Apparently there's a movie on AMC that is a land-based Jaws |
| 06:40.34 | purple_cow | hmm, some bugginess with the navigation |
| 06:40.43 | slimspace | purple_cow: hmm? |
| 06:40.50 | purple_cow | Laser_Dolphin: peruvian tree shark? |
| 06:40.58 | purple_cow | slimspace: select the bottom right building, then try to move left |
| 06:41.08 | slimspace | oh, that |
| 06:41.11 | slimspace | yeah... |
| 06:41.21 | Laser_Dolphin | It's a subterranean shark |
| 06:43.56 | Laser_Dolphin | any movie w/ Kevin Bacon as a septic tank-pumping, garbage dumping red-neck has got to be good |
| 06:44.42 | purple_cow | that's like saying "any movie with sylvester stallone and boxing gloves has got to be good." you can say it as much as you want, but it won't make it true |
| 06:45.05 | Laser_Dolphin | Even the new Rocky that's starting to be filmed now? |
| 06:45.37 | Laser_Dolphin | What are we at? Rocky MCMVI? |
| 06:46.02 | scanlime | Rocky 1906? |
| 06:46.11 | Laser_Dolphin | Yup |
| 06:46.23 | Laser_Dolphin | Is that what the Rocky movies are up to? |
| 06:46.27 | scanlime | at least |
| 06:46.48 | scanlime | it's too bad roman numeral copyright dates went out of style with the new millennium |
| 06:47.03 | scanlime | Copyright (C) MMV just doesn't have the same ring |
| 06:47.03 | Laser_Dolphin | They did? |
| 06:47.04 | Laser_Dolphin | that sucks |
| 06:47.13 | slimspace | hrm...ok, so the menus can designate whether their items should be lit, but that doesn't really help the situation... |
| 06:47.59 | purple_cow | http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=Berkamin&tab=weblogs&uid=151534506 |
| 06:48.41 | Laser_Dolphin | Wisconsin legislators are promoting a plan to create a spaceport in the country's top cheese-making state. |
| 06:49.02 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah. i'd add a couple abstract functions in Menu for adding and removing, passing in the SceneManager |
| 06:49.53 | slimspace | well, that's all good. Problem is we want parts of each item lit and not lit. Putting the functionality just into the Menu classes isn't enough for that |
| 06:49.58 | slimspace | we also need them in the Item classes too |
| 06:50.27 | purple_cow | oof, right |
| 06:50.28 | purple_cow | very well |
| 06:50.39 | purple_cow | maybe make that an interface? |
| 06:50.54 | slimspace | how so? |
| 06:51.28 | purple_cow | make an interface with that function in it, implement that interface inside everything that needs that functionality |
| 06:51.39 | purple_cow | (Context, Item...) |
| 06:51.53 | slimspace | ah, I see... |
| 06:51.57 | purple_cow | that silly java method of doing multiple inheritance |
| 07:03.09 | purple_cow | err, it should? |
| 07:03.19 | purple_cow | could be we're catching it and throwing a RuntimeException ? |
| 07:03.41 | slimspace | well, it just prints "java.lang.NullPointerException" and then "Continuing..." |
| 07:03.57 | Laser_Dolphin | good night tacobeam |
| 07:05.54 | purple_cow | oh, hmm |
| 07:09.32 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2199 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-core.c): Remove some debugging stuff that caused aborts. |
| 07:11.56 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2200 10libgalago-gtk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add locks so that we don't recursively call our list population functions when we're already in a list population function as a result of a signal. |
| 07:12.26 | ChipX86 | ooh, 2200 |
| 07:15.51 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2201 10libgalago/libgalago/galago-core.c: Nuke more debug info. |
| 07:31.42 | ChipX86 | you know, they never made a Jetsons live action movie |
| 07:31.50 | ChipX86 | that somewhat surprises me, and makes me happy |
| 07:32.13 | rioter | you know now that you have said it, it will go into production tommorow |
| 07:32.17 | ChipX86 | yeah :( |
| 07:49.54 | CIA-5 | view: 03hpreg * 10libview/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:49.54 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/drawer.c: |
| 07:49.54 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/ovBox.c: |
| 07:49.55 | CIA-5 | view: * tests/.cvsignore: |
| 07:49.55 | CIA-5 | view: * tests/Makefile.am: |
| 07:49.55 | CIA-5 | view: A tests/test-ovBox.cc |
| 07:49.57 | CIA-5 | view: - Fixed indentation in ovBox/drawer. |
| 07:53.43 | CIA-5 | view: 03hpreg * 10libview/ChangeLog: Grumpf. Forgot a colon in my last change to ChangeLog |
| 07:54.08 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 07:56.59 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2202 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-service-list.c): Make All Contacts work again. |
| 08:00.03 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 08:01.28 | scanlime | >>> min(list, str, object) |
| 08:01.28 | scanlime | <type 'list'> |
| 08:01.30 | scanlime | heh |
| 08:03.10 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah, that was a weird design decision |
| 08:03.20 | purple_cow | most scene graphs i've used just enforce a dag |
| 08:03.27 | slimspace | mmm |
| 08:03.40 | purple_cow | i think that might actually be a java3d thing though |
| 08:03.43 | slimspace | well, right now it's the one thing preventing me from having the selectable lighting |
| 08:03.45 | purple_cow | so we can't blame paul right now |
| 08:03.55 | purple_cow | what do you need to have multiple parents? |
| 08:03.59 | purple_cow | ohh...hmm |
| 08:04.04 | purple_cow | right, i think i understand |
| 08:04.05 | slimspace | yeah... |
| 08:04.14 | purple_cow | for the container & layout? |
| 08:04.38 | slimspace | I need menu items to belong to a single container so that I can lay them out right (yes), and children to two other containers to be drawn as lit or unlit |
| 08:05.57 | purple_cow | slimspace: sounds like maybe this is too complicated for now :) |
| 08:06.25 | slimspace | yeah, I'm thinking so. In order to get what we want, I think either we'd need sub-items or something else completely drastically different |
| 08:06.41 | purple_cow | definitely worth reworking the lg3d lights a bit |
| 08:07.00 | purple_cow | i'll start suggesting stuff on the forums once we finish the prototype |
| 08:07.19 | slimspace | sounds good |
| 08:07.35 | slimspace | guess in the mean time you'll just have to manage with the distortion |
| 08:07.47 | purple_cow | i doubt java3d optimizes for those kinds of state changes, but nuts to them |
| 08:07.55 | purple_cow | slimspace: as long as the text quads don't overlap, they draw OK |
| 08:08.08 | slimspace | ah |
| 08:08.46 | purple_cow | slimspace: mind if i work on some text formatting/wrapping stuff? |
| 08:08.52 | purple_cow | i's got me some ideas |
| 08:09.02 | slimspace | if you'd like. I was going to hack on it a bit, but go for it |
| 08:09.06 | purple_cow | and nothing else to do, save a bunch of papers for music classes :) |
| 08:09.13 | slimspace | :) |
| 08:09.39 | slimspace | hold on before you do |
| 08:10.44 | slimspace | alright, go for it |
| 08:11.03 | purple_cow | basically i want to add an optional group of "filename formatter" classes which can mangle the name, then wrap that result on words. the basic one would work like freevo (chop off extension, change _ to spaces, and capitalize the resulting words). Another one we'd probably want would be to read music tags and use that name |
| 08:11.28 | slimspace | ah, cool. sounds good |
| 08:11.37 | purple_cow | probably involving some regex magic similar to applications |
| 08:12.26 | purple_cow | slimspace: during the hack session tomorrow, we should probably figure out how to do multiple levels in the tree |
| 08:12.55 | slimspace | what do you mean by that exactly? |
| 08:13.22 | purple_cow | well, if you look at the mockup, there are buildings upon buildings |
| 08:13.27 | slimspace | oh, I see |
| 08:13.34 | slimspace | how would we use that? |
| 08:13.35 | purple_cow | so when you select a directory, it zooms into that building and there are the items |
| 08:13.57 | slimspace | right |
| 08:14.23 | purple_cow | which will require some refactoring |
| 08:14.49 | purple_cow | oh no! "refactoring" is marked as misspelled in xchat-gnome! |
| 08:14.54 | slimspace | but wouldn't we just zoom the original menu in, then create a new one with the new directory entries? |
| 08:15.04 | slimspace | or hmm... |
| 08:15.35 | purple_cow | slimspace: i think it's nicer to just have it all be in one |
| 08:15.48 | slimspace | well, it's certainly a lot more graphically pleasing |
| 08:16.11 | purple_cow | imo, we should have it show sub-buildings one level deeper than is selected (so you can see a few small buildings on each directory), and load things asynchronously |
| 08:16.36 | slimspace | so we'd see some of the buildings inside the bigger ones? |
| 08:16.42 | purple_cow | yeah, just one level deep |
| 08:16.56 | purple_cow | then when you zoom in, it starts populating any sub-directories you can see |
| 08:17.32 | slimspace | so then we'd need the buildings to be large enough to hold the sub-levels, or else zoom the sub-levels small enough to fit |
| 08:18.42 | purple_cow | i think it'll be easier to figure this out tomorrow with a pen+paper and/or whiteboard |
| 08:18.53 | purple_cow | but think about it :) |
| 08:18.57 | slimspace | agreed |
| 08:19.07 | slimspace | I like the idea |
| 08:19.10 | purple_cow | and copious gesturing |
| 08:19.21 | slimspace | kinda hard to visualize at first, but I think I see what you're talking about |
| 08:20.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r384 10prototype/src/menu/CityLayout.java: Fix that nasty navigation bug |
| 08:20.41 | purple_cow | http://fsv.sourceforge.net/screenshots/04.png |
| 08:20.57 | purple_cow | except less fugly |
| 08:21.53 | slimspace | So that detailed view would be at least partially visible in each building, until we zoom in? |
| 08:22.34 | purple_cow | yeah. probably not showing any names, just you can see there are files there |
| 08:22.41 | slimspace | right |
| 08:22.45 | slimspace | hmm... |
| 08:22.49 | purple_cow | and also to provide visual consistency when you zoom in - buildings are already there |
| 08:23.13 | slimspace | yeah. We'd basically be just zooming inside a building, where there's another menu hidden |
| 08:23.55 | purple_cow | inside? hidden? |
| 08:24.05 | slimspace | well, not so hidden as we'd see it |
| 08:24.08 | slimspace | but yeah |
| 08:24.20 | purple_cow | i was thinking they'd just be on top (with a similar scale relationship as we have with table->buildings) |
| 08:24.37 | slimspace | er hmm... |
| 08:24.43 | purple_cow | again, let's wait on this |
| 08:24.48 | slimspace | yeah |
| 08:25.01 | purple_cow | most important is how the code will work -- there are plenty of ways to display & animate it |
| 08:25.15 | slimspace | yup |
| 08:25.27 | slimspace | and it's a small change if we want the buildings inside one another or on top |
| 08:26.04 | slimspace | hmm, I can think of a way right off that we could do it |
| 08:26.27 | slimspace | but I'll wait until tomorrow |
| 08:30.07 | purple_cow | slimspace: does Text2D not support multiple lines? |
| 08:30.25 | slimspace | donno, didn't try |
| 08:36.47 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r385 10prototype/src/menu/ (Building.java FilesystemCity.java): more from the ws coal mines |
| 08:37.29 | ChipX86 | I so badly want to see this |
| 08:37.48 | purple_cow | to see what? |
| 08:37.56 | ChipX86 | this program you're working on |
| 08:37.59 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:38.02 | purple_cow | no you don't |
| 08:38.10 | ChipX86 | even if it's hideous, I'm curious :) |
| 08:38.17 | purple_cow | you could always install a bunch of java stuff and try running it ;-) |
| 08:38.20 | ChipX86 | could |
| 08:38.26 | ChipX86 | won't, but could |
| 08:38.30 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:40.50 | ChipX86 | gah. Evolution had better have a way of retrieving the gender of a contact |
| 08:41.34 | slimspace | ChipX86: http://zero.navi.cx/~darkstar62/Screenshot-1.png and http://zero.navi.cx/~darkstar62/Screenshot.png |
| 08:41.41 | ChipX86 | gah! you can't even specify gender?! |
| 08:41.52 | ChipX86 | hah neat |
| 08:44.20 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r386 10prototype/src/menu/filter/ (. FilenameFilter.java): add abstract filter class |
| 08:45.12 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r387 10prototype/src/menu/filter/: shush |
| 08:45.41 | scanlime | ooh |
| 08:45.47 | scanlime | .backup-i |
| 08:45.48 | scanlime | gnore |
| 08:45.53 | slimspace | :) |
| 08:47.47 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2203 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-person.h): Added GALAGO_PERSON_PROP_UID. |
| 08:49.00 | scanlime | the text is pretty ugly, but I assume that's lg3d's fault |
| 08:49.30 | slimspace | pretty much. We haven't been able to find a really nice looking font renderer |
| 08:50.07 | ChipX86 | you should write one! |
| 08:50.07 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r2204 10eds-feed/ (ChangeLog src/main.c): Set the UID property of the person. This will become mandatory for all "visible" people that programs should treat as persistant. |
| 08:50.25 | slimspace | maybe for the release. Definitely not for the prototype |
| 08:50.29 | purple_cow | the text "widget" is new in the upcoming release (only reason we have it here is because we've built HEAD) |
| 08:50.44 | purple_cow | i think that's something darth_mall & i are going to look at between now and january |
| 08:51.05 | ChipX86 | I should consider sleep |
| 08:51.28 | slimspace | o |
| 08:51.48 | ChipX86 | I cannot believe evolution doesn't have gender support |
| 08:52.35 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r388 10prototype/src/menu/FilesystemCity.java: add a simple filter to avoid putting hidden .files into the city |
| 08:55.25 | purple_cow | hmm, sleep |
| 08:58.36 | purple_cow | we'll probably want some way to configure load filters |
| 08:58.45 | purple_cow | for instance, be able to show only video files, or only audio |
| 08:58.52 | slimspace | indeed |
| 08:59.07 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9131 10python/symbian/pyhole.py: Completely break the cache and the UI |
| 08:59.23 | scanlime | that's enough mayhem for one night |
| 09:00.39 | purple_cow | probably easy enough to do with a list in the xml file for a filesystem city |
| 09:03.18 | slimspace | nod |
| 09:03.26 | slimspace | hmm, sleep... |
| 09:04.25 | purple_cow | argh, java's String has a split() but no join() |
| 09:04.40 | slimspace | look for concatinate or something similar |
| 09:05.53 | purple_cow | there's String concat(String str) :P |
| 09:06.06 | ChipX86 | KAddressbook doesn't have gender support either. This sucks. |
| 09:08.53 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r389 10prototype/src/menu/filter/PrettyPrint.java: Start on a freevo-esque filename pretty-printer. Not done yet because java is stupid. |
| 09:16.54 | *** join/#tacobeam ChipX86 (n=chipx86@galago/ChipX86) |
| 09:17.02 | ChipX86 | what the hell |
| 09:17.12 | ChipX86 | irssi segfaulted, X segfaulted, hal... couldn't get anything back up again |
| 09:21.36 | purple_cow | LINUX SEGFAULTED! |
| 09:21.38 | purple_cow | ...maybe not |
| 09:21.51 | ChipX86 | dmesg showed nothing unusual |
| 09:29.50 | ChipX86 | same |
| 09:29.53 | ChipX86|Sleep | night |
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| 13:17.23 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:26.01 | file[laptop] | hi kergoth |
| 14:08.38 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:15.30 | file[laptop] | oh no - storm this afternoon |
| 15:07.43 | file | hi slimspace |
| 15:08.25 | slimspace | hey file |
| 15:08.39 | file | how are you? |
| 15:16.25 | slimspace | I'm alright. Got up too early |
| 15:34.07 | kergoth | 10:24 < danderson> +So, we're getting ready to roll svn 1.3.0rc1. |
| 15:34.09 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:35.17 | kergoth | GAH |
| 15:35.21 | kergoth | i forgot my mp3 player at home /again/ |
| 15:53.19 | gonkulator | yay having class in range of the wireless |
| 15:53.32 | kergoth | yay |
| 15:54.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55.50 | gonkulator | kergoth: what are you up to today? |
| 15:56.10 | gonkulator | file: what are you up to today? |
| 15:56.14 | gonkulator | slimspace: what are you up to today? |
| 15:56.31 | file | I'm werking! |
| 15:56.36 | gonkulator | blah |
| 15:56.37 | gonkulator | work |
| 15:56.40 | file | and looking at train prices stuffs |
| 15:56.46 | gonkulator | what a waste of time |
| 15:56.51 | gonkulator | train prices? |
| 15:56.58 | file | yesssss |
| 15:57.01 | gonkulator | homework != waste of time |
| 15:57.01 | file | for going to Montreal |
| 15:57.11 | file | homework IS a waste of time, admit it! |
| 15:57.49 | kergoth | gonkulator: i'm working on fancy linux networking stuff. doing load balancing across multiple wan links with netfilter. |
| 15:58.34 | gonkulator | kergoth: fun stuff |
| 15:58.49 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 15:59.15 | file | gonkulator: how's every little thing? |
| 15:59.29 | gonkulator | file: most little things are good, for everything else there is asprin |
| 15:59.43 | gonkulator | the big things are all in order though |
| 15:59.43 | file | yay drugs |
| 16:00.11 | gonkulator | what exactly is a religion addict? |
| 16:00.43 | file | someone addicted to religion |
| 16:02.38 | numist | I think thats the definition |
| 16:03.02 | gonkulator | ok, than thats where I am :) |
| 16:04.52 | gonkulator | that being the case, I'm still often silly |
| 16:06.36 | file | woot got the tracking number on my dual core Athlon |
| 16:08.13 | gonkulator | later everyone |
| 16:12.56 | kergoth | pfft, gonk and his crazy "paying attention" |
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| 16:18.22 | darth_mall | is ogg123 not in portage anymore, I don't see it anywhere... |
| 16:21.09 | nullpuppy | vorbis-tools |
| 16:22.25 | darth_mall | ah |
| 16:22.25 | darth_mall | thanks |
| 16:36.51 | gonkulator | what a poorly designed piece of software... |
| 16:37.00 | gonkulator | mebbe I just dislike windows... |
| 16:43.28 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 16:49.22 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 16:49.26 | darth_mall | I think I got quodlibet running |
| 16:50.48 | nullpuppy | is there an ebuild for it? |
| 16:51.15 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 16:51.33 | darth_mall | have to add ~x86 for quodlibet and x86 for pyao if you're on amd64 |
| 16:51.42 | darth_mall | and have to downgrade pyvorbis to 1.3 |
| 16:51.57 | darth_mall | apparently 1.4 is broken, but unmasked |
| 16:52.08 | nullpuppy | k |
| 16:52.38 | kergoth | mm, quodlibet |
| 16:52.47 | kergoth | thats the only audio player i can stand in linux |
| 16:52.49 | nullpuppy | hmm, 0.8.1 or 0.11? |
| 16:55.32 | darth_mall | sweet... after I got it running and loaded my songs, it won't restart |
| 16:56.29 | darth_mall | it's segfaulting on me now |
| 17:00.15 | kergoth | i wonder if i can get statistics about tcp timeouts / retransmits on a per interface basis |
| 17:01.50 | gonkulator | which is why I stopped writing software |
| 17:01.52 | kergoth | itd be useful for estimating line quality |
| 17:01.58 | darth_mall | grrr |
| 17:02.07 | scanlime | kergoth: nah, you need a real BERT |
| 17:02.12 | kergoth | BERT? |
| 17:02.16 | scanlime | bit error rate test |
| 17:02.19 | numist | is that kinda like ERNIE? |
| 17:02.22 | numist | ah |
| 17:02.26 | kergoth | how does that work? |
| 17:02.36 | file | ugh I have to make an appointment with my bank |
| 17:02.56 | kergoth | i need to work at the ethernet level or higher. dont have direct access to the modem or csu/dsu for the line. |
| 17:02.59 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 17:03.10 | scanlime | you just run some test pattern through the link and count how many bits break |
| 17:03.26 | scanlime | so.. if you could send and receive ethernet frames without checksum that would work |
| 17:03.54 | scanlime | although when you get a completely dropped frame (due to a bit error in the header) you'd have to fudge your numbers a bit |
| 17:03.56 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 17:04.23 | kergoth | thatd be useful for people who have two of our product at different sites.. just one, they wouldnt have anything out on the net they can talk to to run the test |
| 17:04.25 | scanlime | I know there must already be well-thought-out metrics for determining quality of a packet-based link |
| 17:04.33 | kergoth | hence the need to passively collect the information as the user uses the line |
| 17:04.44 | scanlime | ah |
| 17:04.46 | kergoth | nod |
| 17:05.00 | scanlime | I see. So you can't get those tcp stats from /proc somewhere? |
| 17:05.08 | kergoth | now, in the setup i'm playing with now, i have one site with 3 internet connections of varying speeds, and another site with 2 internet connections of varying speesd |
| 17:05.21 | kergoth | so i'm creating 6 tunnels covering all possibilities and load balancing at the packet level across them |
| 17:05.31 | kergoth | however, you can run into tcp reordering issues |
| 17:05.33 | kergoth | due to the differing line speeds |
| 17:05.56 | kergoth | linux lets you tweak how many packets off it can be and still reorder (when it gives up on the packet, or thinks it still may be coming) |
| 17:06.06 | kergoth | if i knew how the line quality was, i could tweak that based on the differences in line speeds |
| 17:06.16 | scanlime | the window size? |
| 17:06.19 | kergoth | if i dont, the performance could get worse if there's /real/ packet loss |
| 17:06.28 | kergoth | sine itd keep waiting |
| 17:07.07 | scanlime | is /proc/net/tcp what you want? looks like it might be, just at a glance |
| 17:07.07 | kergoth | and yeah, there are -lots- of cool tcp stats in /proc |
| 17:07.11 | kergoth | but they're global, not per interface. |
| 17:07.23 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.26 | kergoth | not overall stats |
| 17:07.28 | scanlime | ah |
| 17:07.36 | kergoth | netstat -s aka /proc/net/netstat shows retransmits, and even reordering numbers |
| 17:07.41 | kergoth | but again, global, no help |
| 17:08.01 | kergoth | see, i could compare the retransmits of my load balanced connection against that of the physical lines |
| 17:08.13 | kergoth | to get a ballpark figure on how many packets are being lost due to reordering |
| 17:08.22 | kergoth | erm, the lack of it.. the number for tcp_reordering being too low |
| 17:08.32 | kergoth | anyway, fun stuff |
| 17:08.48 | kergoth | well, until i get it all figured out, of course. then itll be boring again |
| 17:09.02 | scanlime | heheh |
| 17:09.55 | numist | scanlime: if you're stuck, baileys or grand marnier make great ice cream liquers |
| 17:10.15 | numist | morning Chip |
| 17:10.15 | kergoth | chambord? |
| 17:10.25 | numist | kergoth: see purple_cow's bloggy |
| 17:10.38 | numist | apparently its strong and good |
| 17:10.55 | kergoth | mmk |
| 17:12.15 | ChipX86 | morning |
| 17:12.19 | ChipX86 | somehow lost my bus pass |
| 17:12.25 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 17:12.32 | numist | the driver ought to know you by now |
| 17:12.46 | ChipX86 | they have different drivers and none of them remember me |
| 17:12.49 | ChipX86 | half the drivers act like zombies |
| 17:12.55 | numist | :/ |
| 17:13.03 | numist | guess its not a high-demand job in some areas |
| 17:13.16 | kergoth | holy crap |
| 17:13.18 | kergoth | http://assets.logitech.com/logitechpress/index.cfm?template=node&node=1455 |
| 17:13.29 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 17:13.37 | ChipX86 | I don't know what to say to that |
| 17:13.47 | numist | what about it? |
| 17:14.11 | kergoth | thats just fucked up |
| 17:14.15 | nullpuppy | huh, interesting |
| 17:14.15 | kergoth | i feel like buying one and putting linux on it |
| 17:14.17 | numist | you can program macros on i too |
| 17:14.17 | kergoth | just because we can |
| 17:14.24 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:14.27 | numist | on it* |
| 17:14.38 | numist | so suddenly :wq is one keystroke :) |
| 17:14.50 | numist | nullpuppy: kinesis keyboards are excellen |
| 17:14.55 | ChipX86 | White House Cease & Desists to The Onion |
| 17:15.06 | numist | ChipX86: link? |
| 17:15.21 | nullpuppy | numist: yeah, I don't have the $330 for the one I want though :( |
| 17:15.24 | ChipX86 | nytimes registration required |
| 17:15.26 | ChipX86 | see slashdot |
| 17:15.33 | ChipX86 | they don't want the Onion using the presidential seal |
| 17:15.42 | kergoth | jesus is kinesis stuff pricey |
| 17:15.45 | numist | hah |
| 17:15.53 | kergoth | haha |
| 17:16.04 | numist | nullpuppy: yeah, thats why I just stick with my Model M... its a poor replacement, but >_> |
| 17:16.07 | nullpuppy | kergoth: yup, but they're nice |
| 17:16.11 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:16.12 | ChipX86 | good to know they've got their priorities straight |
| 17:17.52 | scanlime | hmm |
| 17:18.08 | scanlime | if you click through their stupid 'photo cart' and get a high-res shot of the LCD... |
| 17:18.19 | scanlime | it's obviously a simulated picture of the LCD, but they have it showing ammo counts and stuff |
| 17:18.32 | kergoth | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/evol_chair.htm |
| 17:18.33 | kergoth | mm |
| 17:18.34 | scanlime | what are they planning on doing? writing drivers for all the FPS games out there that talk to the keyboard? |
| 17:18.41 | numist | yeah, but that stuff is viewable on screen, who would want to look all the way at their kb for that |
| 17:18.55 | numist | scanlime: nah, they expect crazy people like you to do that |
| 17:19.42 | numist | ChipX86: got a ui bug for you, want me to email it? |
| 17:19.47 | kergoth | i want a split keyboard mounted to my chair. |
| 17:19.53 | numist | oh right, he left |
| 17:20.12 | numist | I'll email it to him anyway, its a linux UI bug |
| 17:22.35 | pagefault | upgrading to breezy |
| 17:22.40 | pagefault | slow process |
| 17:23.00 | pagefault | heh |
| 17:23.03 | pagefault | slow process |
| 17:23.05 | pagefault | it's like 60 minutes |
| 17:23.26 | numist | thats not that bad |
| 17:23.34 | pagefault | I could have reformatted faster :) |
| 17:26.15 | numist | yeah, but you couldnt have 8 years ago :) |
| 17:26.23 | numist | esp not with breezy :P |
| 17:27.19 | pagefault | oh well |
| 17:27.22 | pagefault | I think it's done soon |
| 17:27.28 | pagefault | 70 minutes now |
| 17:31.47 | pagefault | well |
| 17:31.49 | pagefault | here goes nothing |
| 17:31.50 | pagefault | rebooting |
| 17:32.45 | pagefault | ooh |
| 17:32.47 | pagefault | nice bootup screen |
| 17:34.32 | kergoth | yay breezy |
| 17:35.33 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 17:40.06 | darth_mall | kergoth: you have an amd64, don't you? |
| 17:40.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:40.28 | darth_mall | and you run quodlibet on it? |
| 17:40.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:40.39 | kergoth | works great, no instabilities |
| 17:40.44 | darth_mall | do you happen to know what version of quodlibet you're using? |
| 17:40.50 | kergoth | i can check |
| 17:40.57 | nullpuppy | what version of pyao and pymad? |
| 17:41.06 | kergoth | ~/code/lua-stdlib$ dpkg -s quodlibet|grep ^Version |
| 17:41.09 | kergoth | Version: 0.13.1-1 |
| 17:41.31 | kergoth | python-pymad 0.5.4-1ubuntu3 |
| 17:41.51 | kergoth | whats pyao? |
| 17:42.19 | nullpuppy | python ao library i'd imagie |
| 17:42.29 | nullpuppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.38 | nullpuppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.41 | nullpuppy | thats libao |
| 17:42.53 | kergoth | ah, there it is |
| 17:42.55 | kergoth | python-pyao 0.82-1ubuntu1 |
| 17:44.10 | darth_mall | dammit, still segfaulting |
| 17:45.20 | darth_mall | hmm... gentoo isn't quite up to date on this one |
| 17:45.26 | kergoth | »···»···/* Happy end! We did not retransmit anything |
| 17:45.26 | kergoth | »···»··· * or our original transmission succeeded. |
| 17:45.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:45.33 | kergoth | linux tcp stack code has some personality |
| 17:45.42 | numist | hehe |
| 17:45.59 | kergoth | just what i wanted to do today.. read the code to the tcp stack.. |
| 17:47.37 | numist | :) |
| 17:47.45 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 17:47.49 | darth_mall | better get ready to go to class |
| 17:49.12 | JayPee | Hack fest tonight? |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: leave admins as admins ( the '@' people ) |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add in op ( the /password peoiple ) |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: get all the names straight |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: bump api version. |
| 17:49.17 | JayPee | ChipX86, scanlime? |
| 17:50.35 | pagefault | hmm |
| 17:54.07 | file | eep |
| 17:54.20 | pagefault | are you a flat file/ |
| 17:54.21 | pagefault | ? |
| 17:54.42 | file | maybe |
| 17:59.35 | numist | oops, wrong end |
| 17:59.46 | file | bad numist bad |
| 18:00.08 | numist | :) |
| 18:09.01 | ChipX86 | JayPee: hi |
| 18:09.06 | ChipX86 | JayPee: definitely |
| 18:09.12 | ChipX86 | Alex is probably coming too, and maybe Mark |
| 18:09.14 | numist | ChipX86: email :) |
| 18:09.19 | ChipX86 | read it |
| 18:09.23 | numist | :) |
| 18:09.40 | numist | ah hah, you have addressed the user |
| 18:10.30 | JayPee | ChipX86: okey doke; 8 to midnight, same place? |
| 18:10.32 | ChipX86 | sure |
| 18:10.40 | scanlime | hehe |
| 18:10.44 | scanlime | "Trivia: The 2 founders of the VideoLAN project (the first lines of code |
| 18:10.46 | scanlime | were written in 1996) are working for VMware." |
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| 18:12.33 | ChipX86 | scanlime: :) |
| 18:12.44 | JayPee | yeah |
| 18:12.45 | JayPee | wink wink |
| 18:12.56 | ChipX86 | and me! |
| 18:18.10 | CIA-5 | view: 03philipl * 10libview/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:18.10 | CIA-5 | view: Tue 25 Oct 11:16:43 PDT 2005 Philip Langdale <plangdale@vmware.com> |
| 18:18.10 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/drawer.c |
| 18:18.10 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/drawer.h: |
| 18:18.10 | CIA-5 | view: - Make Drawer inheritable by moving struct definitions to the |
| 18:18.11 | CIA-5 | view: header file. |
| 18:18.13 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/ovBox.c |
| 18:19.04 | numist | wow philip has some really helpful commit messages |
| 18:19.14 | scanlime | "Get the current time. These functions are deprecated because more secure versions are available" |
| 18:19.48 | ChipX86 | yay! VMware pumpkin carving contest, costume contest, and office/cubicle decoration contest |
| 18:19.53 | ChipX86 | I wish Jamie was coming :( |
| 18:19.56 | scanlime | =( |
| 18:20.09 | purple_cow | ChipX86: do a barf-o-lantern! |
| 18:20.17 | numist | haha barf-o-lanterns are funny |
| 18:20.22 | ChipX86 | scanlime: awwww |
| 18:21.13 | numist | ChipX86: you've given yourself away as an employee in #vmware now |
| 18:21.32 | scanlime | apprently the "secure" fersions of ftime() and friends in the win32 API check whether their parameter is NULL or not |
| 18:21.37 | scanlime | the "less secure" versions don't |
| 18:21.47 | numist | ... |
| 18:22.11 | numist | well, I suppose if you passed NULL(ton of crap to flood the stack) you might get somewhere |
| 18:22.19 | ChipX86 | numist: yep |
| 18:22.25 | ChipX86 | but I don't have to answer things. I'm a developer, not support |
| 18:22.33 | numist | :) |
| 18:22.55 | scanlime | numist: I don't see how you could exploit this unless you're passing it a pointer you read from the user.. which is just stupid |
| 18:23.05 | scanlime | its output is fixed-size |
| 18:23.11 | numist | hey now... people are pretty stupid |
| 18:23.27 | scanlime | I'm just amused that they had to create an entire "secure" copy of their API to add silly things like that |
| 18:24.16 | numist | yeah, for such a small change, it really should have just been an update to the existing func, unless theres some quirkiness that someone relied on when it was passed null |
| 18:24.40 | scanlime | oh wait, wtf |
| 18:24.45 | numist | maybe they figure that if you rely on a quirk like that, the rest of your code is as full of holes as steel wool |
| 18:24.53 | scanlime | the docs for ftime() specify the same behaviour on receiving a NULL pointer |
| 18:25.01 | scanlime | I see no difference at all in the 'secure' versions |
| 18:25.12 | numist | weird |
| 18:25.38 | scanlime | the microsoft API philosophy: why have one of something when you can have two for twice the confusion |
| 18:25.44 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 18:26.00 | numist | so I picked up a decent multimeter from my dad, since he doesnt use his |
| 18:26.10 | scanlime | what kind? |
| 18:26.10 | numist | its nice to have something that doesnt feel like a tic-tacs container |
| 18:26.12 | numist | fluke |
| 18:26.25 | scanlime | which fluke? :) |
| 18:26.37 | numist | 10, the 'deluxe model', like my car :P |
| 18:26.53 | scanlime | 10? |
| 18:26.54 | numist | but it does VAC, VDC, and Ohms, which is what I need/use most |
| 18:27.10 | numist | it does something else too, which looks like it just beeps when you make a closed circuit |
| 18:27.16 | numist | which I can see being useful, but is rather odd |
| 18:27.24 | scanlime | uh, that's a continuity test |
| 18:27.29 | numist | yes |
| 18:27.45 | numist | but given that it has an Ohmmeter already.. the ony thing it provides is an audiable tone |
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| 18:27.57 | scanlime | right, that's a very common feature |
| 18:27.59 | scanlime | and very useful |
| 18:28.17 | numist | indeed |
| 18:28.39 | scanlime | heh, fluke's web site is awful |
| 18:28.41 | numist | although, having the audiable alarm as part of the ohmmeter would save the extra mode, just have it beep on 0 resistance |
| 18:28.59 | numist | then the 4th mode could be used for capacitance or something, which would be really useful for me |
| 18:29.02 | scanlime | nah, the beep threshold is usually a couple hundred ohms |
| 18:29.08 | scanlime | it would get real old trying ot measure small resistors |
| 18:29.42 | scanlime | ah |
| 18:29.43 | numist | true |
| 18:29.48 | scanlime | that thing's tiny :) |
| 18:29.50 | numist | its not very fancy |
| 18:29.56 | numist | its not very tiny on my desk... |
| 18:30.08 | numist | its 1.5x the size of my two-fold wallet |
| 18:30.19 | numist | (taller, same width and thickness) |
| 18:30.19 | scanlime | I have the Fluke 179 |
| 18:30.22 | scanlime | awesome meter |
| 18:30.24 | numist | yeah |
| 18:30.40 | scanlime | http://www.tequipment.net/ProductImages/175_DigitalMultimeter_mid.jpg |
| 18:30.47 | numist | I'll have to get a real nice one sometime, but I'm working at a startup: working for money later, not money now |
| 18:30.56 | scanlime | nod |
| 18:31.05 | numist | ooh, that ones purdy |
| 18:31.28 | numist | I need to find one that does Farads like my EE buddy.. he has an incredible fluke |
| 18:31.32 | scanlime | the 170 series is awesome.. great accuracy and reliability, capacitance test, backlight, thermocouple, under $200 |
| 18:31.49 | numist | this is what I have: http://www.tequipment.net/ProductImages/10_DigitalMultimeter_mid.jpg |
| 18:31.59 | numist | thermocouple too? |
| 18:32.01 | numist | nice |
| 18:32.01 | scanlime | yup |
| 18:32.22 | numist | food |
| 18:32.23 | numist | woot |
| 18:32.47 | scanlime | fluke is good stuff. We had tons of meters at space grant, the ones from Fluke and Meterman were the only ones that ever worked right |
| 18:32.48 | numist | let it be known this day: my present to myself when I excersize options will be a nice multimeter |
| 18:33.06 | numist | for now, I will have to settle for lunch. brb |
| 18:33.12 | scanlime | :) |
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| 18:35.24 | ChipX86 | numist: I like this guy. He has clue |
| 18:35.34 | scanlime | http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware3/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=85520 |
| 18:35.35 | scanlime | wow... |
| 18:37.13 | Laser_Dolphin | Greetings |
| 18:44.29 | scanlime | "Returns TIMERR_NOERROR if successful or TIMERR_NOCANDO if the resolution specified in uPeriod is out of range." |
| 18:46.26 | JayPee | hah |
| 18:46.32 | JayPee | _NOCANDO |
| 18:46.42 | scanlime | yeah |
| 18:46.53 | kergoth | i read that as NOCANDY at first |
| 18:46.55 | JayPee | scanlime: aww... for a moment, when you said Fluke, I thought you were thinking about the musical group |
| 18:47.14 | JayPee | "Baby got a atom bomb... a muthafuckin' ATOM BOMB..." |
| 18:47.18 | scanlime | nah, sorry :) |
| 18:47.26 | JayPee | ever heard 'em? |
| 18:47.31 | scanlime | nope |
| 18:47.43 | scanlime | but I'm sure they make good multimeters! |
| 18:47.47 | kergoth | oh hey, i know that song |
| 18:47.51 | kergoth | didnt realize it was by fluke though |
| 18:48.06 | scanlime | this is disgusting.. on linux, a simple gettimeofday() will give you millisecond resolution. On windows, who the hell knows? |
| 18:48.13 | scanlime | there are about 6 different timing APIs, and most of them suck |
| 18:48.16 | JayPee | kergoth: pretty sure it is |
| 18:48.20 | JayPee | /music/misc/download/Fluke-Atom_Bomb.mp3 |
| 18:48.24 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:48.25 | JayPee | (that doesn't prove anything, but... ;-) |
| 18:48.28 | kergoth | will have to grab some of their stuff |
| 18:48.33 | purple_cow | "Hang on! I know that monkey! His name's Donkey!" "Monkeys aren't donkeys!" |
| 18:48.38 | JayPee | kergoth: I've got one of their albums |
| 18:48.38 | numist | ChipX86: I like that guy too :) |
| 18:48.39 | JayPee | well |
| 18:48.41 | JayPee | "got" |
| 18:48.53 | JayPee | "O.K." is awesome. |
| 18:48.54 | ChipX86 | numist: it's rare to see someone with clue in there |
| 18:49.06 | numist | it really is |
| 18:50.34 | scanlime | I missed a special occasion in #vmware? |
| 18:51.40 | numist | you can still catch it |
| 18:51.42 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 18:51.45 | kergoth | hehe, i like amazon.com's per user store thing |
| 18:51.57 | kergoth | due to my orders in the past, its an odd combination of computer books, family guy dvds, pizza stones, etc |
| 18:53.43 | JayPee | I know what I'll do tonight |
| 18:53.48 | JayPee | I think I shall "play" DJ |
| 18:58.54 | scanlime | somehow my windows box decided all text should be bold |
| 18:59.18 | numist | sweet |
| 18:59.20 | JayPee | scanlime: reboot. |
| 18:59.31 | numist | always the answer: reboot |
| 18:59.48 | scanlime | yeah |
| 19:01.37 | file[laptop] | oh blah |
| 19:01.50 | file[laptop] | Showcase only got the first 3 seasons of Lexx, not the 4th... |
| 19:03.40 | purple_cow | that's ok. the only season worth watching was 1 |
| 19:03.59 | file[laptop] | well I had never seen the 4th one |
| 19:22.31 | numist | ChipX86: this guy has more than a clue, he's got a book of them |
| 19:24.20 | JayPee | haha |
| 19:24.28 | JayPee | Pilot: "Yeah, we can take the visual, whatever." |
| 19:26.37 | purple_cow | the general lack of ability to rtfm? the fact that he "can't stay long"? |
| 19:27.20 | JayPee | this all in #vmware? |
| 19:27.34 | darth_mall | purple_cow: all of that plus the fact that I'm not convinced he's even been paying attention because it doesn't sound like he understands what is going on this afternoon |
| 19:29.19 | numist | JayPee: no |
| 19:29.36 | JayPee | numist: this an "A/B conversation?" |
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| 19:30.15 | numist | the guy with a clue is in vmware |
| 19:31.19 | darth_mall | purple_cow: what are you using abiword for? |
| 19:32.11 | purple_cow | a paper |
| 19:32.22 | purple_cow | at least, I was trying |
| 19:32.29 | purple_cow | it keeps crashing and losing formatting |
| 19:34.36 | Laser_Dolphin | uggh! |
| 19:39.11 | scanlime | mwhahaha |
| 19:39.14 | scanlime | take that, windows |
| 19:40.30 | darth_mall | sounds like scanlime is wanging windows in the keyhole |
| 19:40.31 | scanlime | exactly |
| 19:40.31 | scanlime | this particular keyhole happens to involve high-resolution timers |
| 19:40.35 | scanlime | well, "high resolution" |
| 19:42.30 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 19:44.12 | scanlime | woo |
| 19:44.21 | scanlime | I have no idea who to submit this patch to :) |
| 19:44.41 | darth_mall | you could submit it to me |
| 19:44.45 | darth_mall | nothing would happen, but you could |
| 19:44.53 | scanlime | no, I couldn't submit it to you |
| 19:45.01 | Laser_Dolphin | GRRR! |
| 19:46.20 | Laser_Dolphin | Who knows what properties.Isex is? |
| 19:47.20 | scanlime | apple's latest product? |
| 19:47.56 | Laser_Dolphin | It's in some C++ code written by a dyslexic (I don't think I spelled that right) |
| 19:50.10 | darth_mall | wow... I don't remember how to use pygtk at all |
| 20:12.01 | kergoth | ~unproductivity |
| 20:12.07 | jbot | yay! |
| 20:18.45 | numist | Laser_Dolphin: spelled correctly :) |
| 20:19.09 | Laser_Dolphin | thanks numist |
| 20:19.10 | Laser_Dolphin | :) |
| 20:19.18 | numist | us lysdexics appreciate it :) |
| 20:22.50 | ChipX86 | JayPee: ooh, electronic yard sale |
| 20:23.12 | ChipX86 | hmm, one-on-one meeting soon |
| 20:24.21 | numist | heh, I havent filled out a weekly report this month... |
| 20:24.26 | numist | I should really remember these things |
| 20:24.35 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 20:24.43 | ChipX86 | I didn't do one last friday |
| 20:24.45 | ChipX86 | but then, we were gone all day |
| 20:24.49 | numist | heh |
| 20:25.00 | numist | I need to replace Thunderbird... it just isnt happening |
| 20:25.12 | numist | but I really dont want to use outlook, out of principle and ui death |
| 20:25.24 | ChipX86 | ooh I like diff -d |
| 20:26.21 | nullpuppy | hrm... vmware needs widescreen res... |
| 20:26.28 | nullpuppy | no 1280x800 :( |
| 20:26.44 | numist | nullpuppy: I thought it was the gues OSes responsibility to support it |
| 20:27.00 | numist | er, guest |
| 20:27.08 | nullpuppy | guest does support it |
| 20:27.13 | scanlime | linux guest? if so, just add more modelines |
| 20:27.14 | nullpuppy | erm... |
| 20:27.23 | nullpuppy | let me refrase that... |
| 20:27.55 | nullpuppy | its a winxp guest |
| 20:27.56 | nullpuppy | linux host |
| 20:28.10 | nullpuppy | i know windows supports it.. linux is working fine at that res... |
| 20:28.19 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (77 files in 15 dirs): add current files for new cross platform, flexable format, map editor |
| 20:28.20 | ChipX86 | should work fine |
| 20:28.59 | scanlime | tried 'fit guest'? |
| 20:30.02 | nullpuppy | oooh, that worke |
| 20:30.03 | nullpuppy | d |
| 20:30.20 | ChipX86 | yeah, might want to turn that on. It's nifty |
| 20:30.33 | ChipX86 | and then you can watch how well windows handles resizing to 300x300 |
| 20:30.36 | nullpuppy | now, 2 other problems :) can't seem to create a second bridged vmnet connection, and its not seeing my cdrom for some reason |
| 20:30.41 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 20:31.59 | nullpuppy | the vmware init.d script apparently starts vmnet2, which bridges to eth1 (my wireless connection..) ... but in ifconfig.. theres nothing :( |
| 20:33.52 | nullpuppy | ooooh |
| 20:34.13 | nullpuppy | ok, now i see what it wasn't seeing the cdrom.. damn pebkac ... |
| 20:34.21 | nullpuppy | nic is still fubar though |
| 20:34.51 | numist | yay acronyms |
| 20:35.07 | nullpuppy | hehe :) |
| 20:35.50 | nullpuppy | Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. |
| 20:35.53 | nullpuppy | w00t |
| 20:36.09 | nullpuppy | i'm fairly certain that means my burning is supported.. ;) |
| 20:36.17 | ChipX86 | should be |
| 20:36.19 | ChipX86 | we support burning |
| 20:36.33 | ChipX86 | wonder if you can burn to an iso |
| 20:36.37 | JayPee | ChipX86... always the pyro. |
| 20:36.49 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: i meant in the host ... :) |
| 20:37.06 | numist | that would be funny, ChipX86 |
| 20:37.08 | ChipX86 | burn it all down! |
| 20:37.14 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: i just got a new laptop earlier this week... (if you didn't know...) |
| 20:37.20 | ChipX86 | oh nicde |
| 20:37.27 | ChipX86 | with the 'd', so you know it's even more nice |
| 20:37.31 | numist | ChipX86: you call ibm yet? |
| 20:37.32 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 20:37.44 | scanlime | I sure get a lot more response to review requests on PI than I ever did on MKS or usb-sensei |
| 20:38.29 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: yesterday. Left a message. Still nothing. |
| 20:38.33 | ChipX86 | er |
| 20:38.34 | ChipX86 | numist |
| 20:39.14 | numist | left a message? |
| 20:39.18 | numist | dont rest until you have a head on a pike |
| 20:39.44 | JayPee | ChipX86: you ever contest the credit card charges? |
| 20:39.47 | ChipX86 | been trying to reach the guy. No luck yet |
| 20:39.53 | ChipX86 | JayPee: tried. They won't return the money |
| 20:40.00 | nullpuppy | either of you have any idea why my 2nd bridge vmnet isn't working? |
| 20:40.03 | JayPee | what did your credit card company say? |
| 20:40.05 | ChipX86 | they said the only way I get the money back is if I void my warranty and don't get a replacement |
| 20:40.13 | ChipX86 | JayPee: didn't talk to them |
| 20:40.18 | ChipX86 | I want my laptop more than anything |
| 20:40.19 | JayPee | that's who you talk to |
| 20:40.28 | JayPee | ignore the IBM knockoffs |
| 20:40.28 | ChipX86 | and Lenovo made it quite clear what happens if I get reimbursed on the money |
| 20:40.30 | JayPee | they're full of bullshit |
| 20:40.42 | JayPee | that's BS |
| 20:40.47 | ChipX86 | I'm not pursuing it until there's a laptop in my hands |
| 20:40.53 | numist | thats class-action territory |
| 20:40.56 | JayPee | they can't void your warrantee for contesting the charges |
| 20:41.05 | JayPee | and what if there's never a laptop in your hands? |
| 20:41.17 | numist | then its break of contract |
| 20:41.19 | numist | breach* |
| 20:41.37 | ChipX86 | problem is that I did void the warranty by spilling a drink on the keyboard |
| 20:41.51 | JayPee | according to whom? |
| 20:41.53 | numist | they still promised you a new machine, since they didnt fix it properly |
| 20:41.55 | ChipX86 | the warranty |
| 20:41.59 | JayPee | it says that? |
| 20:42.03 | ChipX86 | "accidents" |
| 20:42.08 | numist | yeah, pebkac voids warranty |
| 20:42.10 | JayPee | heh |
| 20:42.14 | JayPee | tell them it wasn't an accident |
| 20:42.16 | numist | esp beer spills |
| 20:42.17 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 20:42.18 | numist | haha |
| 20:42.26 | JayPee | say you're a customer service tester for PC World magazine |
| 20:42.27 | ChipX86 | I did it on purpose! Honest! |
| 20:42.55 | numist | JayPee: thats actually a great way to get service |
| 20:43.22 | ChipX86 | mmm, Era |
| 20:43.22 | JayPee | the old "I'm a food critic for the New York Times"-trick |
| 20:43.36 | numist | yeah |
| 20:43.37 | ChipX86 | Misere Mani is a good song |
| 20:43.40 | numist | I havent used that trick in a while |
| 20:45.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/vc71/ (mapedit.rc mapedit.suo mapedit.vcproj): make it be called "bzedit" when it's build ( on windows ) |
| 20:50.19 | scanlime | oh wow |
| 20:50.27 | scanlime | somehow I got audio on windows playing *faster* than real time |
| 20:50.33 | numist | sweet! |
| 20:50.47 | JayPee | scanlime: it's like time-travel! |
| 20:50.51 | scanlime | yay! |
| 20:51.01 | JayPee | scanlime: did you set the clock on the VM to 88 MHz? |
| 20:51.08 | scanlime | =D |
| 20:51.36 | scanlime | yep, I also made sure to add 'jiggawatts = "1.21"' to my vmx file |
| 20:51.56 | numist | haha excellent |
| 20:52.22 | JayPee | and, of course, insmod'd mrfusion.o |
| 20:52.28 | scanlime | yup |
| 20:52.33 | JayPee | and delorean.o |
| 20:52.51 | scanlime | well, I just modprobed mrfusion, it had a dependency on delorean |
| 20:52.58 | numist | how'd you fix the flux capacitor? |
| 20:53.08 | numist | it was broken in my build |
| 20:53.09 | scanlime | I didn't, it just ASSERTed :( |
| 20:53.15 | numist | ah |
| 20:53.20 | JayPee | haha |
| 20:53.30 | JayPee | Assertion failed: flux capacitor not FLUXing. |
| 20:53.42 | scanlime | that's it, vmware needs a timetravel subsystem |
| 20:53.52 | numist | and you're the man to build it |
| 20:54.02 | scanlime | it shall engage when beginning an isochronous USB transfer |
| 20:55.14 | nullpuppy | arg |
| 20:55.19 | JayPee | ChipX86: did you hear that? We'll need to have some fireball trails added to the UI. |
| 20:55.52 | scanlime | =D |
| 20:56.11 | scanlime | wow, time was passing about 20% faster than normal |
| 20:56.23 | scanlime | yep, vmware's UHCI controller now has time travel support |
| 20:56.36 | nullpuppy | oh, and theres a problem with the vmware-config.pl script in 5.5... in that, at least here... it won't run if the vmware services aren't already started... this may be a gentoo bug though... |
| 20:56.36 | JayPee | we should do a movie night sometime. |
| 20:56.53 | scanlime | yes |
| 20:59.08 | ChipX86 | quick, somebody make gnome-session suck less! |
| 20:59.25 | darth_mall | Python makes mockups so easy |
| 21:21.55 | scanlime | this will never get old |
| 21:22.04 | scanlime | winamp playing MP3s on my linux machine with USB sound card |
| 21:22.07 | scanlime | only using 80% CPU |
| 21:22.28 | numist | ... |
| 21:22.32 | scanlime | lookit that efficiency! |
| 21:22.42 | numist | I use winamp under wine as my default media player in linux, and its not nearly that bad |
| 21:22.59 | scanlime | numist: this is mostly due to the USB sound card :P |
| 21:23.03 | numist | ah hah |
| 21:23.07 | scanlime | usb audio is very time-critical |
| 21:23.12 | numist | all that throughput through your debugging controls, eh? |
| 21:23.13 | scanlime | so our emulated USB controller has to do a lot of work |
| 21:23.28 | numist | oh your emulating the sound controller?! |
| 21:23.31 | scanlime | true, I do have a lot of debug turned on... |
| 21:23.36 | scanlime | no, the USB controller is emulated |
| 21:23.39 | scanlime | the sound card is real |
| 21:23.44 | scanlime | it's a SB Audigy NX |
| 21:23.46 | numist | oh the usb bus on the vm |
| 21:23.50 | scanlime | right |
| 21:24.02 | numist | ok, I thought you were playing with a new fancy hoochy |
| 21:24.12 | scanlime | heh |
| 21:24.42 | numist | 80%, on that machine, thats ridiculous |
| 21:25.02 | scanlime | I'm sure my debug logging didn't help |
| 21:25.20 | scanlime | only 450MB of spew for a couple minutes of audio! |
| 21:25.36 | numist | damn |
| 21:25.42 | numist | yeah, I think I see the bottleneck :P |
| 21:26.05 | scanlime | there is no bottleneck, it's running full-speed :P |
| 21:26.35 | numist | well, yeah |
| 21:27.52 | scanlime | wow, only 527MB of RAM to analyze that log too |
| 21:28.57 | numist | ... |
| 21:29.02 | numist | good thing ram is cheap |
| 21:29.17 | scanlime | well, that's not much more than the size of the log itself |
| 21:29.25 | scanlime | considering the analyzer's written in python, that's not too bad |
| 21:29.43 | numist | no, its not |
| 21:43.44 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 21:44.13 | ChipX86 | "The new team will be managed by Robert Baesman, a former developer in the Hosted UI team who has turned to the management dark side... uh, I mean, has been freshly and deservedly promoted!" -- Jocelyn |
| 21:44.26 | scanlime | :) |
| 21:44.50 | ChipX86 | just got back from my 1-on-1 with her. Very good meeting. Toward the end we were talking about Firefly and Serenity |
| 21:49.10 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 21:49.24 | file[laptop] | pagefault: I'm getting the new server that I'm going to move your UML to soon |
| 21:49.29 | pagefault | ooh |
| 21:49.31 | pagefault | neato |
| 21:49.39 | file[laptop] | more disk space |
| 21:49.47 | pagefault | same connection? |
| 21:49.58 | file[laptop] | yes, just on the other side of the country :) |
| 21:50.03 | pagefault | hehe |
| 21:50.09 | pagefault | will my ip be changing? |
| 21:50.14 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 21:50.17 | pagefault | ok |
| 21:50.19 | pagefault | no problem |
| 21:50.27 | pagefault | just means I need to memorize it again |
| 21:50.34 | file[laptop] | yeah same here |
| 21:50.57 | ChipX86 | and, um, vmweb |
| 21:52.48 | ChipX86 | also got some really cool personal news, but will wait until it's official before saying much |
| 21:52.55 | Laser_Dolphin | Microsoft sucks my donkey dick |
| 21:54.32 | numist | CHIPPY'S GETTING MARRIED! |
| 21:54.36 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 21:54.40 | file[laptop] | oooh |
| 21:54.42 | numist | damn |
| 21:55.35 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r390 10prototype/src/menu/CityLayout.java: Fix yet another navigation bug |
| 21:56.54 | Laser_Dolphin | w00t! |
| 21:57.00 | Laser_Dolphin | congrats ChipX86 |
| 21:57.05 | numist | hah |
| 21:57.09 | file[laptop] | are we all invited? |
| 21:57.19 | Laser_Dolphin | It can be a tele-con Marriage |
| 21:58.23 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (i=pagefaul@toronto-HSE-ppp4045104.sympatico.ca) |
| 22:06.48 | file[laptop] | ugh |
| 22:06.52 | file[laptop] | pagefault: Aliant is b0rken again |
| 22:07.16 | ChipX86 | excellent! |
| 22:07.21 | pagefault | aliant likes you |
| 22:07.23 | ChipX86 | a bug in IconEntry that will delay our next release |
| 22:07.39 | file[laptop] | pagefault: very much so |
| 22:08.23 | scanlime | ChipX86: of libview or vmware? |
| 22:15.33 | *** join/#tacobeam jbot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 22:15.33 | *** topic/#tacobeam is And the fifth reason whales kill is for the sheer fun of it! |
| 22:18.15 | Laser_Dolphin | poo! |
| 22:25.17 | ChipX86 | scanlime: libsexy |
| 22:25.19 | ChipX86 | but it's not our bug |
| 22:25.23 | ChipX86 | well it is |
| 22:25.28 | ChipX86 | but not libsexy's bug, so I'm off the hook |
| 22:25.45 | scanlime | oh |
| 22:26.26 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.31 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.35 | scanlime | erg |
| 22:26.38 | numist | oh no, classified information! |
| 22:26.39 | scanlime | damnit |
| 22:26.41 | ChipX86 | so, fun bug: |
| 22:26.45 | ChipX86 | copy in the guest |
| 22:26.48 | ChipX86 | paste somewhere in the UI |
| 22:26.49 | scanlime | no, my gam_server is spinning |
| 22:26.49 | pagefault | I am an expert on humans |
| 22:26.51 | ChipX86 | watch it not work |
| 22:26.57 | numist | ChipX86: nice :P |
| 22:27.01 | pagefault | ~emulate fry\ |
| 22:27.05 | pagefault | ~emulate fry |
| 22:27.06 | jbot | Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
| 22:29.38 | scanlime | sigh |
| 22:29.44 | scanlime | I'm back up to a gigabyte of saved vmware logfiles |
| 22:29.48 | numist | sweet |
| 22:31.01 | pagefault | ~emulate stewie |
| 22:31.02 | jbot | No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. |
| 22:31.08 | numist | :D |
| 22:31.13 | pagefault | haha |
| 22:31.17 | pagefault | that was great |
| 22:31.19 | numist | ~emulate bender |
| 22:31.20 | jbot | Bite my shiny, metal ass! |
| 22:31.24 | numist | :D |
| 22:31.42 | pagefault | ~emulate professor |
| 22:31.47 | pagefault | aww |
| 22:31.48 | numist | no love |
| 22:33.15 | pagefault | I wish the NES had a SID chip |
| 22:33.50 | scanlime | it's still capable of a lot |
| 22:33.56 | scanlime | I've heard some almost SID-quality music from the NES |
| 22:34.25 | pagefault | someone actually made a SID play for NES |
| 22:34.30 | pagefault | err player |
| 22:34.31 | scanlime | hah |
| 22:34.47 | pagefault | there is one for the SNES too |
| 22:34.49 | pagefault | I guess people have a lot of time |
| 22:35.03 | scanlime | you're one to talk |
| 22:35.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:35.28 | pagefault | hehe |
| 22:35.29 | kergoth | ~emulate peter |
| 22:35.31 | jbot | NOOOOOO. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. Damn longears, trying to take Easter away from Jesus. Anyway, what was that you were saying? |
| 22:38.31 | scanlime | I'm getting nothing done this week at work. |
| 22:38.40 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:38.42 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 22:38.53 | scanlime | well, I guess I started a discussion on PI :) |
| 22:39.28 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-5 | view: 03philipl * 10libview/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-5 | view: Tue 25 Oct 15:40:07 PDT 2005 Philip Langdale <plangdale@vmware.com> |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/autoDrawer.c |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/autoDrawer.h |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/drawer.c |
| 22:41.25 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/drawer.h |
| 22:41.27 | CIA-5 | view: * libview/ovBox.c |
| 22:41.44 | file[laptop] | ^.^ |
| 22:42.00 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 22:42.08 | ChipX86 | the message gets trimmed when people do that >:( |
| 22:42.22 | numist | yeah.. |
| 22:42.25 | scanlime | thank goodness |
| 22:47.01 | ChipX86 | damn chair |
| 22:47.08 | ChipX86 | I'm not smart enough to work it |
| 22:47.34 | scanlime | I should find a chair that sucks less |
| 22:48.51 | ChipX86 | there, it's up to the right level again |
| 22:49.55 | JayPee | oh man |
| 22:49.59 | JayPee | I'm going to be wired tonight |
| 22:50.04 | JayPee | double espresso shot... |
| 22:50.10 | JayPee | bounce bounce bounce |
| 22:50.16 | scanlime | boing |
| 22:50.48 | numist | -_- |
| 22:58.53 | ChipX86 | libsexy and libview are being packaged for arch linux :) |
| 23:00.31 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: that's hot |
| 23:00.33 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 23:00.34 | ChipX86 | 3.. |
| 23:00.40 | ChipX86 | you count the Player, yes? |
| 23:00.55 | scanlime | no, I'm talking about the number of people using archlinux :P |
| 23:01.03 | ChipX86 | haha got it :) |
| 23:02.28 | ChipX86 | hm, food time methinks |
| 23:03.38 | pagefault | methinks you are right |
| 23:07.01 | JayPee | ChipX86: I was going to ask about that |
| 23:07.10 | JayPee | traditionally, the hacking sessions actually involved dinner |
| 23:07.11 | JayPee | and then hacking. |
| 23:07.18 | JayPee | I meant to mention that |
| 23:08.12 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:09.09 | numist | hacking session tonight? |
| 23:09.17 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 23:09.21 | numist | :) |
| 23:09.27 | numist | I should have just stayed up there |
| 23:09.39 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 23:09.52 | scanlime | no driving to sunnyvale to get it |
| 23:10.08 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 23:11.18 | JayPee | although, the drive is significantly less... annoying |
| 23:11.29 | scanlime | where do you live? |
| 23:11.31 | ChipX86 | so should we do a dinner? |
| 23:12.13 | JayPee | scanlime: Northern-most tip of Mountain View |
| 23:12.16 | numist | they need to build a sushi place near my office |
| 23:12.39 | JayPee | does 6:30ish work? |
| 23:13.16 | ChipX86 | sure |
| 23:13.20 | scanlime | yep |
| 23:13.27 | ChipX86 | where at? |
| 23:13.53 | JayPee | good question |
| 23:14.26 | ChipX86 | should be light enough so as not to make us all fat and tired before the hacking |
| 23:14.43 | JayPee | hah |
| 23:14.44 | JayPee | yes. |
| 23:14.45 | JayPee | Agreed. |
| 23:14.49 | JayPee | Did sushi ever happen on Sunday? |
| 23:14.57 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 23:15.02 | ChipX86 | I'd eat more though |
| 23:15.02 | numist | yeah, it was good |
| 23:15.22 | numist | :o |
| 23:15.26 | ChipX86 | wo |
| 23:15.27 | ChipX86 | er, wow |
| 23:15.29 | numist | file[laptop]: whereabouts are you? |
| 23:15.32 | kergoth | well, that was fun |
| 23:15.38 | file[laptop] | numist: Atlantic Canada |
| 23:15.45 | numist | ... |
| 23:15.47 | numist | thats horrible |
| 23:15.50 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy|work (n=dkuester@dlc75-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 23:15.55 | numist | you live there and youve never eaten the fish raw? |
| 23:15.59 | file[laptop] | correct |
| 23:16.12 | kergoth | apparently i went into work today and didnt shut the garage door. the place was wide open all day, adn with no cars in the garage to give the impression that someone was home. |
| 23:16.22 | file[laptop] | uh oh |
| 23:16.36 | numist | oops |
| 23:16.43 | kergoth | my dad was really pissed. he's all "so what are we gonna do about you leaving the doors open all the time?" |
| 23:16.48 | kergoth | me: "once isnt all the time" |
| 23:16.49 | kergoth | etc |
| 23:17.08 | numist | yeah, thats how those conversations go |
| 23:17.15 | kergoth | i told him, "i screwed up. you know it and i know it, and i'll do the best i can do not do it in the future. if you cant deal with it, you know where the door is." |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | so he's leaving on dec. 1st :P |
| 23:17.28 | JayPee | ha |
| 23:17.43 | numist | easy come, easy go, eh? |
| 23:17.51 | kergoth | i'm just glad i still have my job |
| 23:17.52 | numist | guess your dad doesnt hold much sway if you own the place |
| 23:17.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:18.08 | kergoth | and i paid for this place while he lived here for like 10 months, supposed to be paying rent, but not |
| 23:18.16 | kergoth | i was paying my apartment rent in texas /and/ the mortgage here |
| 23:18.19 | kergoth | pulling his ass along |
| 23:18.20 | file[laptop] | people's court! |
| 23:18.21 | kergoth | he cant say jack |
| 23:18.34 | kergoth | and every furnishing in the place is mine, from here and my place in texas. |
| 23:20.02 | numist | I hope you're making a lot of money |
| 23:23.08 | numist | today is kinda gelling, I'm actually getting things done |
| 23:23.15 | kergoth | eh, soso. taking in around $3k a month. the mortage is $1k. |
| 23:23.20 | numist | although, my compiler tells me Im doing them all wrong, hm |
| 23:23.32 | kergoth | they say you can afford a place up to 50% of your monthly income, but i wouldnt want that. a third should be comfortable |
| 23:23.35 | scanlime | oooooh |
| 23:23.39 | scanlime | today might not be a complete waste after all |
| 23:23.41 | kergoth | hell, i was living here when i was making $37k or whatever at ti |
| 23:23.45 | kergoth | erm |
| 23:23.47 | kergoth | s/ti/digi/ |
| 23:24.49 | scanlime | ./configure --without-flux-capacitor |
| 23:24.59 | scanlime | this should fix it |
| 23:26.35 | numist | :) |
| 23:27.17 | ChipX86 | did we come up with a dinner plan? |
| 23:27.31 | scanlime | sushi? |
| 23:27.38 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 23:27.40 | ChipX86 | Sushi Tomo? |
| 23:27.58 | ChipX86 | I'm going to head out soon. Got things to take care of at home and then I can meet you guys there |
| 23:27.59 | scanlime | yeah |
| 23:28.05 | scanlime | 6:30? |
| 23:28.11 | ChipX86 | sounds good |
| 23:28.31 | JayPee | I hate Sushi Tomo |
| 23:28.32 | JayPee | but OK. |
| 23:28.35 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 23:28.38 | numist | JayPee: why? |
| 23:28.44 | JayPee | I'm a sushi snob |
| 23:28.48 | JayPee | It's fine, though |
| 23:28.50 | ChipX86 | where do you like? |
| 23:29.09 | numist | hah |
| 23:29.27 | JayPee | Fuki |
| 23:29.30 | JayPee | but they're expensive. |
| 23:29.33 | ChipX86 | could do that, but yeah |
| 23:29.38 | ChipX86 | more expensive, less casual |
| 23:29.47 | ChipX86 | very good sushi though |
| 23:29.56 | JayPee | Tomo is fine |
| 23:30.41 | pagefault | ugh |
| 23:30.48 | pagefault | I can't stand that sashimi stuff |
| 23:30.50 | pagefault | whatever is raw |
| 23:30.56 | numist | damnit, cyclical dependancy |
| 23:31.01 | numist | f*xor |
| 23:31.02 | scanlime | ahhhhh.... I'm getting so close |
| 23:31.07 | pagefault | I like my food cooked |
| 23:31.07 | scanlime | pagefault: pff, you wacko |
| 23:31.15 | pagefault | we discovered fire for a reason |
| 23:31.16 | pagefault | use it |
| 23:31.24 | ChipX86 | to burn ants? |
| 23:31.29 | pagefault | yeah |
| 23:31.31 | pagefault | thats fun |
| 23:31.35 | pagefault | memories |
| 23:31.38 | scanlime | ChipX86: no, that's what gasoline is for |
| 23:31.46 | pagefault | sitting on my driveway with a magnifiying glass |
| 23:32.05 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 23:36.28 | numist | hrm... |
| 23:36.37 | numist | I am not going to get this code to work tonight :( |
| 23:38.20 | scanlime | haha |
| 23:38.37 | scanlime | regis's post on funlist about the meeting sessions is great :) |
| 23:39.47 | numist | or, since its rush hour, I can just spend another 4 hours in the office fixing this |
| 23:39.52 | numist | I think I will |
| 23:40.53 | scanlime | sweeeet |
| 23:41.08 | numist | :) |
| 23:41.25 | numist | why do we bother with digital circuits, analog is so much better :) |
| 23:41.31 | scanlime | needs tweaking, but it's already working almost as well as linux |
| 23:41.42 | scanlime | =D |
| 23:42.26 | scanlime | and my windows machine is only single-CPU |
| 23:42.52 | numist | ooh |
| 23:43.16 | scanlime | only about 70% CPU |
| 23:43.26 | numist | hah |
| 23:43.46 | scanlime | but it get significantly skippy at times |
| 23:44.22 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 23:44.25 | ChipX86 | Google is going to own us all |
| 23:44.34 | numist | yeah, I should have taken that job |
| 23:44.37 | numist | oh well |
| 23:44.42 | scanlime | hum? |
| 23:44.44 | ChipX86 | Google Base |
| 23:44.47 | ChipX86 | and Google Payment |
| 23:44.59 | numist | theyll pay me anyway?! cool! |
| 23:45.02 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:45.04 | ChipX86 | paypal |
| 23:45.08 | numist | oh, damn |
| 23:46.41 | pagefault | google care |
| 23:46.46 | pagefault | google transport |
| 23:46.51 | pagefault | google government |
| 23:48.50 | ChipX86 | yes, I'd like one McGoogle burger to go, please |
| 23:49.18 | *** join/#tacobeam Veight (i=Veight@c-24-118-220-75.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 23:49.30 | Veight | tell people it *wasnt* me |
| 23:49.38 | kergoth | i should get that song |
| 23:49.44 | numist | you sure? I dont think you want us as character witnesses |
| 23:49.58 | Veight | hmm maybe |
| 23:50.06 | Veight | what song? |
| 23:50.10 | kergoth | shaggy - it wasnt me |
| 23:50.14 | Veight | i have it :P |
| 23:50.23 | Veight | but like kergoth hes gonna get the full cd.... |
| 23:50.24 | pagefault | wtf |
| 23:50.30 | pagefault | so much bird flu spam |
| 23:50.37 | pagefault | people trying to sell 40 pills for like $200 |
| 23:50.37 | kergoth | well... i need to get a directconnect client for linux |
| 23:50.41 | kergoth | so i can connect to ubernet |
| 23:50.47 | file[laptop] | Veight! |
| 23:50.56 | scanlime | wow.. with the chattiest debug options turned off, this only uses 50% CPU |
| 23:50.58 | Veight | file[laptop]! |
| 23:51.43 | pagefault | file is known to have answers to everything |
| 23:51.52 | file[laptop] | nope, I'm afraid not |
| 23:52.31 | pagefault | aww |
| 23:54.03 | ChipX86 | scanlime: <aegray> does vmware support usb2 or just 1.1? |
| 23:54.16 | scanlime | guh |
| 23:54.19 | numist | pass the cluebat please |
| 23:54.19 | scanlime | is this in #vmware? |
| 23:54.22 | numist | yes |
| 23:54.50 | numist | this is great |
| 23:57.36 | numist | scanlime: you know that fella? |
| 23:58.46 | numist | intellisense is smarter than the compiler, sweet |
