| 00:01.28 | purple_cow | and if theirs sucks, we'll redo it :) |
| 00:05.41 | darth_mall | hmm |
| 00:06.03 | darth_mall | I don't think Text2D is in our lg3d-core.jar |
| 00:08.18 | purple_cow | darth_mall: might need to build cvs and copy that new one into our lib |
| 00:13.14 | kergoth | depressed :( |
| 00:14.51 | darth_mall | exodus |
| 00:15.05 | pagefault | kergoth, have some anti-depressants |
| 00:15.06 | pagefault | they are good |
| 00:15.25 | pagefault | kergoth, or play some WoW, same thing |
| 00:15.33 | pagefault | kergoth, WoW is good for the soul |
| 00:15.50 | scanlime | wow |
| 00:15.54 | scanlime | this phone is kinda big |
| 00:16.01 | ChipX86 | too big? |
| 00:16.18 | scanlime | bigger than I'd like |
| 00:16.21 | scanlime | but not awful |
| 00:16.22 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:16.35 | pagefault | what the ell |
| 00:16.37 | scanlime | it's cute though |
| 00:16.39 | darth_mall | wtf is my commit doing... |
| 00:16.44 | pagefault | how lo-tech |
| 00:16.52 | pagefault | this gaming thing |
| 00:16.55 | pagefault | it's like mario in a bubble |
| 00:17.01 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 00:17.02 | pagefault | and you press buttons to float him around a maze |
| 00:17.12 | pagefault | the thing has water in it |
| 00:17.48 | purple_cow | w00t |
| 00:17.53 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 00:17.54 | ChipX86 | how? |
| 00:18.22 | purple_cow | with smrt |
| 00:18.34 | scanlime | I'm definitely going to want a belt clip and headset for this thing |
| 00:18.40 | darth_mall | transmit data faster, dammit |
| 00:20.29 | purple_cow | yay for committing big things |
| 00:21.10 | scanlime | this really has a huge LCD :) |
| 00:21.45 | scanlime | and really awful default wallpaper |
| 00:22.03 | scanlime | it's some business stock photo |
| 00:22.28 | *** join/#tacobeam file (n=jcolp@mctnnbsa31w-142166095097.nb.aliant.net) |
| 00:23.17 | pagefault | yay file |
| 00:23.21 | scanlime | mm |
| 00:23.29 | file | my interweb connection is b0rken again |
| 00:23.33 | scanlime | nice clear audio though |
| 00:23.57 | pagefault | bell is having problems |
| 00:24.00 | pagefault | no idea why |
| 00:24.20 | pagefault | heh |
| 00:24.25 | darth_mall | this commit is just sitting there... |
| 00:24.30 | pagefault | started with cognet and level 3 didn't peer |
| 00:24.36 | pagefault | I doubt it's related though |
| 00:24.45 | purple_cow | darth_mall: one thing you can try doing is scping it to zero and committing it from there |
| 00:25.05 | file | my ping time is just sporadic at best |
| 00:25.05 | darth_mall | purple_cow: is it the .jar file that's causing it? |
| 00:25.14 | pagefault | file, where |
| 00:25.17 | pagefault | to your gateway? |
| 00:25.21 | file | pagefault: yes |
| 00:25.26 | pagefault | I am having the same problem |
| 00:25.29 | pagefault | but it's not so bad |
| 00:25.32 | pagefault | like 500ms |
| 00:25.35 | pagefault | but still rediculous |
| 00:25.51 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i've just noticed some flakiness with svn and zero and big files over the last few months |
| 00:25.53 | purple_cow | dunno the cause |
| 00:26.02 | pagefault | I wonder if something on bell is really messed up |
| 00:26.22 | pagefault | heh |
| 00:26.32 | pagefault | heh |
| 00:26.43 | pagefault | it's odd though, everyone else started having lag problems at the same time |
| 00:28.27 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r273 10prototype/src/menu/Item.java: |
| 00:28.27 | CIA-5 | smrt: Draw some text stupidly. Going to fix the layout. This won't work until I can |
| 00:28.27 | CIA-5 | smrt: get the new lg3d-core.jar committed. |
| 00:28.48 | file | pagefault: Boo! |
| 00:28.51 | pagefault | hehe |
| 00:30.05 | file | wow I can't even traceroute to you |
| 00:30.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r274 10prototype/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): push fully-launched Applications onto the context stack, pop them when the application quits. HOO-AH! |
| 00:31.39 | pagefault | file haha |
| 00:32.09 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r275 10prototype/lib/lg3d-core.jar: New lg3d-core.jar with Text2D in it |
| 00:32.14 | darth_mall | there, finally |
| 00:32.19 | pagefault | me either file |
| 00:32.40 | pagefault | hehe |
| 00:32.45 | pagefault | it gets stuck on aliant.net |
| 00:32.46 | pagefault | somewhere |
| 00:33.03 | ChipX86 | and yet through the miracle of IRC, you two can communicate |
| 00:33.08 | ChipX86 | you should exchange packets over IRC |
| 00:33.14 | file | pfft |
| 00:33.19 | file | I sent him a message from my phone :P |
| 00:33.25 | file | much more reliable then this here interweb |
| 00:34.30 | purple_cow | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1017052llama1.html |
| 00:34.57 | ChipX86 | Occupation: STUFFED LLAMA |
| 00:36.13 | pagefault | did I get it |
| 00:36.14 | pagefault | I think so |
| 00:37.08 | pagefault | ooh |
| 00:37.09 | pagefault | boo |
| 00:37.14 | pagefault | you helped me find my cell |
| 00:37.20 | file | yay |
| 00:37.25 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r276 10prototype/src/menu/ItemLayout.java: Create a small LayoutManager3D subclass to manage the icon and text in a menu item. |
| 00:38.31 | pagefault | if cell phone internet wasn't so rediclously priced |
| 00:38.33 | pagefault | I would use it |
| 00:38.57 | ChipX86 | it's not bad here |
| 00:39.03 | file | it's insane here |
| 00:39.18 | file | there is one thing I'd like besides that, the nationwide thing you US folks have... |
| 00:39.32 | pagefault | we need more competition |
| 00:39.41 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i don't think you want a LayoutManager |
| 00:39.46 | pagefault | really only two cell companies here |
| 00:39.52 | pagefault | two of them share the same network pretty much |
| 00:40.00 | purple_cow | darth_mall: LayoutManager lays out a Container3D, and MenuItem is just a component |
| 00:40.16 | purple_cow | i think you just want to stick the text inside a TransformGroup |
| 00:41.46 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I was going to change Item into a subclass of Container3D, but if you think that is unwise I will change it |
| 00:42.30 | purple_cow | i think that is unwise |
| 00:42.46 | darth_mall | ok |
| 00:42.48 | darth_mall | I won't do that |
| 00:42.52 | purple_cow | the layout within an item will never change, and it's really simple |
| 00:43.04 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r277 10prototype/src/menu/ItemLayout.java: Nevermind |
| 00:43.08 | purple_cow | might as well just build the scene graph bits that way |
| 00:43.29 | darth_mall | ok |
| 00:43.39 | darth_mall | hmm... time for capoiera |
| 01:05.20 | ChipX86 | home I go |
| 01:07.31 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r278 10prototype/src/menu/Item.java: well, it sucks, but at least it's not drawing on top of the icons anymore |
| 01:10.16 | purple_cow | :) |
| 01:12.26 | scanlime | hmm |
| 01:12.34 | scanlime | food... |
| 01:14.30 | scanlime | this is great |
| 01:14.38 | scanlime | t-mobile had an easy web app to download GPRS settings to my phone |
| 01:14.43 | scanlime | bluetooth seems to be happy |
| 01:15.00 | scanlime | the only tedious thing is going to be getting contact info out of my old phone, since I never got sync working on it |
| 01:15.08 | scanlime | hmm.. and I want that ringtone off my old phone too |
| 01:15.16 | scanlime | mwahaha |
| 01:15.25 | scanlime | "Used: 272kB Free: 489MB" |
| 01:15.36 | numist | :o |
| 01:16.12 | scanlime | the UI on this thing is so much more responsive than motorola's |
| 01:16.20 | scanlime | granted, I think my old phone had about a 32 MHz CPU :P |
| 01:16.29 | numist | that much? |
| 01:16.43 | scanlime | it handles java SSH stuff ok, but web browsing and most UI stuff was really slow |
| 01:16.49 | scanlime | I think this nokia has a strongarm in it |
| 01:18.00 | scanlime | it has realplayer :P |
| 01:18.02 | scanlime | and themes! |
| 01:18.06 | scanlime | ugh |
| 01:20.44 | numist | :o |
| 01:22.05 | purple_cow | time to cheat death and eat a pumpkin mousse |
| 01:22.11 | scanlime | =D |
| 01:22.21 | numist | :) |
| 01:23.40 | purple_cow | ok, that's weird |
| 01:23.52 | numist | is it good though |
| 01:24.01 | purple_cow | too much orange and ginger, and the lumpyness is crummy |
| 01:24.03 | purple_cow | but it's tasty |
| 01:24.08 | purple_cow | really weird |
| 01:24.20 | numist | hehe |
| 01:24.31 | scanlime | wow |
| 01:24.35 | scanlime | this browser can handle planet tacobeam |
| 01:24.42 | scanlime | it's taking a while to snag all the images :P |
| 01:24.44 | numist | nice |
| 01:25.13 | scanlime | haha |
| 01:25.14 | purple_cow | yeah, i'll need to go to town with the blender for the next batch |
| 01:25.22 | scanlime | and it has a nice zippy download counter thing at the top |
| 01:25.37 | scanlime | 30%, 340kB downloaded over the air :) |
| 01:26.03 | scanlime | aw |
| 01:26.07 | scanlime | it renders the pirate hats wrong |
| 01:26.13 | scanlime | and, well, most of the rest of the page |
| 01:26.29 | scanlime | guess I'd have to get Opera if I want something that even tries to understand CSS |
| 01:27.10 | numist | hee hee |
| 01:27.14 | scanlime | damn |
| 01:27.19 | scanlime | it's actually loading the images on there correctly |
| 01:27.23 | scanlime | go nokia! |
| 01:27.30 | scanlime | it just hit a megabyte :) |
| 01:28.16 | numist | nice |
| 01:29.49 | scanlime | aw |
| 01:29.51 | pagefault | ok |
| 01:29.54 | pagefault | what is a nice movie to watch |
| 01:29.56 | scanlime | ChipX86's filled circle is an unfilled square |
| 01:29.56 | pagefault | I need something to see |
| 01:30.13 | scanlime | but this reads those silly smart quotes fine.. hmm |
| 01:30.51 | numist | pagefault: the hudsucker proxy |
| 01:35.39 | kergoth | hehe, i love that movie |
| 01:35.42 | kergoth | i should buy it |
| 01:35.44 | numist | :) |
| 01:35.48 | numist | its an excellent movie |
| 01:35.54 | kergoth | "you know... for kids." |
| 01:35.57 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:36.35 | numist | hehe, and its just a paper with a circle |
| 01:36.43 | numist | "yep, this lil baby's gonna take me straight to the top" |
| 01:36.51 | kergoth | yeah :D |
| 01:38.07 | numist | what takes 30 years to get to the top, and 30 seconds to get to the bottom? |
| 01:38.14 | scanlime | wow. the stowaway keyboard pairs to my laptop with no trouble at all |
| 01:38.23 | scanlime | this thing's so cute |
| 01:38.40 | scanlime | kinda oddly laid out, but cute |
| 01:38.46 | numist | ... cute |
| 01:38.53 | numist | what's the best-dressed street in new york? |
| 01:39.26 | scanlime | it only has four rows of keys... so the backspace is where \ is, numbers are multiplexed with QWERTY, and it has a lot of modifier keys :) |
| 01:39.42 | numist | weird |
| 01:39.47 | file | yay consulting pay |
| 01:39.48 | numist | was it that hard to do 5 rows? |
| 01:40.04 | scanlime | well, they wanted it to have full-size keys yet be pocket size |
| 01:40.09 | scanlime | I think it's a decent tradeoff |
| 01:40.14 | scanlime | I'm typing pretty fast on it right now |
| 01:40.29 | numist | my stowaway for my old palm had 5 rows and was pocket size.. I liked it |
| 01:40.37 | numist | theres a USB version somewhere, I hope |
| 01:40.47 | scanlime | I'm typing pretty fast on it right now |
| 01:40.49 | scanlime | oop |
| 01:40.52 | scanlime | USB? |
| 01:41.03 | numist | yes, theres a USB version of the Fellowes Stowaway Keyboard |
| 01:41.09 | numist | froogle :) |
| 01:41.15 | scanlime | the up-arrow is also in an odd spot :) |
| 01:41.19 | numist | :) |
| 01:41.26 | numist | you'll live |
| 01:41.35 | scanlime | but why USB? most PDAs don't have host controllers |
| 01:41.40 | numist | not for a pda |
| 01:41.41 | numist | for the car |
| 01:41.47 | numist | if the laptop's in the trunk, need some HID |
| 01:42.02 | numist | the stowaway is great, since I can hide it when not in use |
| 01:42.14 | scanlime | ah |
| 01:42.15 | numist | looking for a screen of some sort, but cant find anything decently priced |
| 01:42.42 | numist | any 7" screen I can find for a car also comes with a touchscreen (not a bad idea) and costs $250 or more (very bad idea) |
| 01:43.01 | scanlime | yeah |
| 01:43.22 | scanlime | how much resolution do you need? if NTSC will do, a cheap solution might be a psone LCD |
| 01:43.23 | numist | if you find anything, do lock it for me... anything smallish and VGA |
| 01:43.31 | numist | Id like the computer to be usable |
| 01:43.52 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r279 10prototype/data/menus/video.menu: include only a couple entries here, for testing |
| 01:44.00 | numist | not sure what kind of resolution ntsc will allow |
| 01:44.13 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r280 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: well, this *ought* to be pausing mplayer when i press space in smrt, but it's not. |
| 01:45.17 | numist | how would I hook that up? splice form svideo? |
| 01:45.21 | numist | from* |
| 01:46.10 | scanlime | that'd be the easy way |
| 01:46.26 | scanlime | the psone is a popular LCD for people making portable video game consoles.. lots of documentation already available |
| 01:46.32 | scanlime | not sure if there's a way to get a digital signal in easily |
| 01:47.06 | numist | well I have svideo, composite, or vga at my disposal, I believe |
| 01:47.21 | numist | would it be readable in an 80x24 terminal? |
| 01:47.49 | scanlime | no idea |
| 01:47.54 | scanlime | why do you want a terminal in the car? |
| 01:48.08 | numist | Id like internet to be readable, as well as GPS/directions |
| 01:48.25 | numist | internet for the passenger, music and gps for me |
| 01:48.46 | scanlime | well, internet for the passenger might have different requirements, but a nav system doesn't need much resolution |
| 01:48.55 | numist | nod |
| 01:48.57 | scanlime | you just need a map, and one or two steps in your route in a really big font |
| 01:49.03 | numist | hehe |
| 01:49.13 | numist | a really big font |
| 01:49.21 | scanlime | ideally you stick voice on there and dont' need a screen at all :P |
| 01:49.33 | numist | doubt thatll happen.. itll pick up the music and talk to itself |
| 01:50.05 | numist | yay Serenity and sushi tonight |
| 01:50.27 | kergoth | ooh, serenity |
| 01:50.30 | kergoth | i need to see that a second time |
| 01:50.35 | numist | :) |
| 01:50.41 | numist | anyone seen wallace and grommit? |
| 01:51.06 | purple_cow | yes |
| 01:51.08 | purple_cow | and it is awesome |
| 01:51.13 | numist | damn, another movie to watch |
| 01:51.27 | numist | hrm, so a psone screen is an option... |
| 01:52.29 | numist | 50 bucks for a screen |
| 01:52.32 | numist | thats not bad at all |
| 01:52.41 | scanlime | yep, they're also relatively low power |
| 01:52.45 | numist | 12V? |
| 01:52.53 | scanlime | I forget.. I think it's 7V or something |
| 01:53.02 | numist | I can hack something up in an altoids tin for that |
| 01:53.06 | scanlime | heh |
| 01:53.14 | numist | no problem |
| 01:53.27 | numist | Im finding that I'm using tins faster than I can eat the mints though |
| 01:54.19 | purple_cow | lightweight |
| 01:54.34 | scanlime | :) |
| 01:54.39 | numist | what kind of resolution is that though? if I plugged my laptop into my tv, would it be about the same as that? |
| 01:55.10 | numist | I know its not real resolution, its kinda fudged |
| 01:55.36 | scanlime | no idea |
| 01:55.43 | numist | :/ |
| 01:55.55 | numist | I really want to test before I get one and commit myself |
| 01:57.27 | purple_cow | welp, i've got a dvd to return and some form of italian bacon to buy |
| 01:57.31 | purple_cow | so long, coffin-stuffers |
| 01:59.05 | scanlime | oh. I have pasta still |
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| 02:54.46 | ChipX86 | okay, I feel a bit creeped out |
| 02:55.37 | purple_cow | ? |
| 02:55.53 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: I'm not stalking you, honest |
| 02:56.01 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: no, *you're* not |
| 02:56.10 | file[laptop] | someone else is? |
| 02:56.36 | ChipX86 | I was on the bus on the way home and we went to the hospital stop, as always, and this older, eccentric-looking guy went on the bus. Again, not odd |
| 02:57.13 | ChipX86 | I was working on my sudoku book and noticed a flash from a camera. It was full-on, not like off to the side or anything |
| 02:57.17 | ChipX86 | I quickly looked up and saw this guy turn his head away and put the camera down |
| 02:57.37 | purple_cow | haha |
| 02:57.38 | purple_cow | did you ask? |
| 02:57.46 | ChipX86 | that felt a bit creepy to begin with, but I thought maybe he was just playing with the camera and it went off |
| 02:57.55 | ChipX86 | so then I got off at my stop |
| 02:58.00 | ChipX86 | and he followed |
| 02:58.34 | ChipX86 | I walked a bit further and was talking to my mom about stuff she was working on. Then I told her about this guy |
| 02:58.49 | ChipX86 | as I was walking I saw him off to the side, walking quickly and then in front of me |
| 02:58.56 | ChipX86 | he picked up his camera, walked to me and took a picture |
| 02:59.06 | ChipX86 | and just stared |
| 02:59.07 | scanlime | he probably just thinks you're cute |
| 02:59.09 | ChipX86 | no expression |
| 02:59.12 | ChipX86 | *shudder* |
| 02:59.18 | file[laptop] | headhunter! |
| 02:59.25 | ChipX86 | he's probably getting off on pictures of me :/ |
| 03:00.08 | purple_cow | or he's delighting in messing with your head |
| 03:00.20 | file[laptop] | maybe he's you, from the future, in disguise |
| 03:00.22 | ChipX86 | I don't think his head was all there. He was a bit odd |
| 03:00.27 | purple_cow | hell, if i had a modicum more bravery, i would do that to people |
| 03:00.35 | ChipX86 | it's just wrong |
| 03:01.05 | ChipX86 | girls complain about stuff like tihs all the time and guys just shrug it off, but it's got to be bad for them |
| 03:03.05 | purple_cow | ChipX86: why didn't you ask him about it? |
| 03:03.21 | ChipX86 | I just wanted to get out of there |
| 03:03.42 | ChipX86 | it's easy to think you'll just ask or do this or that until it happens |
| 03:04.12 | KeyserSoze | so, uh, ChipX86. what are you wearing? |
| 03:04.16 | KeyserSoze | :D |
| 03:05.32 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:06.16 | Sophie197 | heh |
| 03:06.22 | file[laptop] | ooh Galaxy Quest is on |
| 03:06.28 | Sophie197 | :) |
| 03:07.00 | KeyserSoze | s/persued/pursued/ |
| 03:07.33 | Sophie197 | had a crazy contractor guy for awhile. And a really old guy (like 60) asking me out. |
| 03:07.58 | Sophie197 | :/ |
| 03:08.07 | Sophie197 | maybe I'm losing it. |
| 03:08.08 | Veight | odd |
| 03:08.36 | Veight | my friend's mom was being hit on by a 16 year old till he realized that she was 31 and had 3 kids and a husband |
| 03:09.06 | Sophie197 | hehe |
| 03:09.17 | KeyserSoze | your friend's mom is 31? |
| 03:09.27 | Veight | i dunno something like that |
| 03:09.43 | Veight | heh |
| 03:09.50 | Sophie197 | she was a tiny teenager when she got knocked up |
| 03:10.09 | Veight | 15 on sunday :) |
| 03:10.09 | Sophie197 | awww |
| 03:10.32 | Veight | hah |
| 03:11.36 | ChipX86 | yay, pants |
| 03:12.01 | scanlime | damnit |
| 03:12.05 | scanlime | there's water leaking into my bathroom |
| 03:12.10 | scanlime | and a knocking noise behind the wall |
| 03:12.23 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 03:15.03 | purple_cow | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/17/knityourown_fake_bre.html |
| 03:17.07 | scanlime | guh |
| 03:17.12 | scanlime | water leaking through the cieling in my room |
| 03:17.16 | purple_cow | eek |
| 03:17.19 | scanlime | someone upstairs is having major problems... |
| 03:17.20 | ChipX86 | that's no good |
| 03:23.06 | purple_cow | there's not a 24hour staffed emergency line? |
| 03:23.18 | scanlime | I called the front desk |
| 03:23.23 | scanlime | that was the only number I could find in my panic |
| 03:23.33 | scanlime | that guy said he told maintenance, and they should get back to me any minute |
| 03:24.38 | purple_cow | ah, cool |
| 03:25.04 | scanlime | I hope they don't have to tear up my walls to fix this... |
| 03:37.57 | purple_cow | hahahaha |
| 03:37.58 | purple_cow | http://www.huhcorp.com/ideas.htm |
| 03:39.08 | scanlime | hehe |
| 03:40.15 | scanlime | still no maintenance guy, but I think the leak stopped |
| 03:40.29 | scanlime | I'll just have to assume the folks upstairs had a toilet overflow or something :P |
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| 03:41.48 | scanlime | http://www.huhcorp.com/about.htm |
| 03:41.53 | scanlime | that actually seems a lot like vmware ;) |
| 03:42.12 | scanlime | except for the girls sleeping with the CEO... |
| 03:42.21 | ChipX86 | I would hope not |
| 03:42.47 | ChipX86 | but we do quality work |
| 03:42.57 | scanlime | obexftp is failing without telling me why |
| 03:43.03 | scanlime | I just want to send a few simple files to my phone... |
| 03:43.08 | scanlime | like a bluetooth keyboard driver |
| 03:43.15 | scanlime | and my snazzy ringtone |
| 03:43.21 | scanlime | maybe if I'm lucky, my address book |
| 03:44.28 | scanlime | on the bright side, this cheapo "TRENDnet" bluetooth adaptor is really cute |
| 03:44.39 | scanlime | I should take it to work tomorrow and run it through my vmware torture test >:) |
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| 04:01.52 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r281 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: It helps if we flush the stream. Pressing space while smrt has the focus now pauses mplayer. HOO-AH! |
| 04:02.37 | purple_cow | darth_mall: everyone's coming to your apartment on sunday? |
| 04:02.44 | purple_cow | ohh |
| 04:11.33 | purple_cow | whee |
| 04:11.36 | purple_cow | mplayer slave mode is kind of neat |
| 04:16.09 | purple_cow | woO! |
| 04:16.11 | purple_cow | deaded X again |
| 04:19.08 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r282 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: add some more commands: left & right seek 15 seconds in either direction, and escape quits. yay consistency |
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| 04:48.05 | scanlime | woo |
| 04:48.19 | scanlime | putty works great |
| 04:48.32 | scanlime | and it's cooperating nicely with this bluetooth keyboartd driver |
| 04:48.52 | scanlime | I can even use screen without problem on here :) |
| 04:49.02 | scanlime | latency is a bit annoying though |
| 04:56.43 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r283 10prototype/src/menu/ (CityLayout.java CityScape.java RingLayout.java): add stubbed out classes for a cityscape, make some trivial changes to RingLayout |
| 05:00.05 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9085 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/fe-gnome.c: fix for arg changes in cvs |
| 05:00.06 | scanlime | ahh.. symbian has real multitasking |
| 05:00.16 | scanlime | putty doesn't drop its connection when I switch to another application |
| 05:00.38 | scanlime | and it looks like opera is free for symbian |
| 05:00.47 | purple_cow | opera is free for everything now |
| 05:01.01 | purple_cow | really pissed off the people who paid when they did that :) |
| 05:03.39 | pagefault | hehe |
| 05:07.03 | scanlime | :) |
| 05:07.30 | scanlime | I want firefvox for symbian.. I can use my 512MB flash disk for swap |
| 05:09.19 | scanlime | oh, hmm.. if this is a free version, why is it telling me it's got 14 days left? :P |
| 05:13.18 | purple_cow | "free" like xchat? :) |
| 05:14.03 | scanlime | ah, that mioght just be for their silly bandwidth-saving proxy widget |
| 05:14.15 | scanlime | this is great |
| 05:16.07 | purple_cow | crazy bastard |
| 05:16.51 | scanlime | gah.. I can't read my old phone's address book without giving it back the SIM card |
| 05:31.33 | scanlime | 3 |
| 05:31.53 | scanlime | hmm |
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| 06:16.25 | ChipX86 | :( I was experimenting with blender's soft body stuff with my little chess blobs, and then everything went horribly wrong! |
| 06:16.55 | ChipX86 | his outer body crumbled away, and his innerds show up into the sky and fell back down again |
| 06:17.04 | ChipX86 | er, shot |
| 06:17.50 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:18.00 | ChipX86 | it was horrible! |
| 06:18.05 | ChipX86 | the poor blob |
| 06:18.44 | purple_cow | yay chess blobs |
| 06:18.52 | purple_cow | there need to be more jello chess sets |
| 06:19.03 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 06:19.14 | kergoth | can i eat the other person's pieces that i take? |
| 06:19.19 | kergoth | mm, jello |
| 06:19.19 | ChipX86 | of course |
| 06:19.23 | kergoth | yay |
| 06:19.25 | ChipX86 | I want to animate the whole board |
| 06:19.29 | ChipX86 | once I figure everything out |
| 06:19.33 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:19.35 | ChipX86 | I would love to take advantage of soft body |
| 06:20.03 | scanlime | there goes ChipX86, taking advantage of soft bodies.. |
| 06:20.13 | kergoth | haha, thats what i was thinking |
| 06:20.20 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 06:20.30 | kergoth | mm, soft bodies |
| 06:20.32 | ChipX86 | I'm just bad that way |
| 06:20.33 | ChipX86 | mmm |
| 06:20.59 | scanlime | so yeah.. I'm not too worried about keeping the lens on this phone's camera clean. With the image quality the way it is, it would take an awful lot of smudging to make any difference |
| 06:21.10 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 06:21.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:21.25 | scanlime | but what do you expect, it's a VGA camera phone |
| 06:21.44 | scanlime | I'll have to see if they look okay scaled down a bit to inline-blogging friendly sizes |
| 06:22.02 | scanlime | 'cuz it would still be darn cool to have a one-button way to post photos on a blog :) |
| 06:22.43 | scanlime | now for the really fun part.. I get to put the SIM back in my old phone and try to get my contacts and ringtone off :P |
| 06:22.50 | scanlime | and I suppose I should wipe the SSH keys off of it... |
| 06:22.55 | purple_cow | pff |
| 06:23.18 | kergoth | good luck |
| 06:23.27 | kergoth | i never managed to get my contacts off of mine |
| 06:23.36 | kergoth | old version of symbian, no function to copy contacts to the sim |
| 06:23.39 | kergoth | or to the mmc |
| 06:23.41 | scanlime | oh, I have no delusions of getting motorola's crappy sync stuff working |
| 06:23.46 | scanlime | I'm just going to have to retype them |
| 06:23.46 | kergoth | :( |
| 06:23.52 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 06:24.11 | scanlime | it's not that bad, there aren't too many phone numbers I actually use |
| 06:27.39 | numist | hehe |
| 06:28.09 | scanlime | sigh.. the bluetooth OBEX stuff in Windows XP works great with my phone |
| 06:28.15 | scanlime | I wonder what's wrong with obexftp |
| 06:31.39 | scanlime | eww |
| 06:31.48 | scanlime | there's this giant HTML ad for t-mobile in the message I sent |
| 06:32.05 | scanlime | good thing I pretty much never send mail through their MMS gateway |
| 06:34.33 | scanlime | gr |
| 06:34.40 | scanlime | neither phone does a thing without a SIM card |
| 06:35.12 | numist | scanlime: if you want another SIM I can get you one |
| 06:35.36 | scanlime | nah, I don't plan to use my old phone except as a backup, or maybe with prepaid SIMs while travelling |
| 06:35.46 | scanlime | it just makes copying contacts less convenient |
| 06:35.50 | numist | thats what I mean.. its real easy for me to get a hold of prepaid sims |
| 06:35.55 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r284 10prototype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add a subclass of CityScape for browsing a filesystem (doesn't actually do anything yet), and configure an instance of it in the menu files |
| 06:36.01 | scanlime | I'd need to unlock my old phone first |
| 06:36.02 | numist | so I can drop you one next weekend if you want |
| 06:36.09 | numist | I can probably have that done too :) |
| 06:36.12 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:36.14 | numist | want me to look into it? |
| 06:36.15 | scanlime | hmm... |
| 06:36.21 | scanlime | nah, that's ok |
| 06:36.33 | numist | whats make/model of your old phone.. I can at least see if its easily doable |
| 06:36.35 | scanlime | I might want to get an international SIM card of some sort early next year though |
| 06:36.40 | scanlime | Motorola V188 |
| 06:36.58 | numist | :) |
| 06:37.07 | scanlime | it's a good phone, except for all the awful bugs, the slow CPU, and the teeny screen |
| 06:37.41 | scanlime | mostly it's the awful bugs... only weirdos that like GPRS really need a big screen and CPU |
| 06:37.51 | numist | hehe |
| 06:40.49 | scanlime | I have no idea what I'm going to do with 512MB of flash on my phone |
| 06:41.09 | scanlime | I think I still have less than a meg used, after installing a bunch of python and SSH garbage |
| 06:41.33 | scanlime | gah |
| 06:41.34 | numist | it leaves you room to grow |
| 06:41.39 | numist | eventually you can keep CIA on it |
| 06:41.41 | scanlime | so I decided to see if this CD that came with my phone has any sync tools |
| 06:41.45 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:41.53 | scanlime | the installer on this CD looks more like Myst than an installer |
| 06:42.04 | numist | like sony's MD installer? |
| 06:42.52 | scanlime | similar, but this one has a distinct Myst-ness to it |
| 06:43.01 | scanlime | and it makes my CD-ROM drive reeeally loud |
| 06:43.05 | numist | cool... hardly utilitarian though |
| 06:43.15 | scanlime | nod |
| 06:43.24 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r285 10prototype/src/ (SceneManager.java StateController.java): when popping a menu, remove it properly from the scene, rather than just hiding it |
| 06:46.14 | scanlime | adobe has an acrobat reader for Symbian, but it only installs on certain phone models |
| 06:46.18 | scanlime | that's lame |
| 06:48.58 | slimspace | every time I quit it, it kicks my X server |
| 06:49.08 | purple_cow | slimspace: so i think we should give daniel the arc menu to do |
| 06:49.26 | slimspace | probably best for him |
| 06:49.29 | purple_cow | since it's simple and he's a bit thick :P |
| 06:49.46 | purple_cow | it's starting to shape up nicely i think |
| 06:49.50 | slimspace | so I see |
| 06:49.54 | purple_cow | i can control mplayer by pressing keys in smrt :) |
| 06:50.04 | slimspace | nice :) |
| 06:50.17 | slimspace | I'll be so glad once next semester comes along and I have some time to devote to coding... |
| 06:50.29 | purple_cow | i wouldn't be surprised if this silly cityscape thing takes the rest of the month to do though |
| 06:50.41 | purple_cow | slimspace: i'd really appreciate it if you could help this semester :P |
| 06:50.44 | slimspace | Do we have anything on it yet? |
| 06:50.49 | slimspace | I'm doing the best I can... |
| 06:51.15 | purple_cow | not really. i stubbed out a couple classes |
| 06:51.19 | slimspace | ah, I see |
| 06:54.53 | lurgy | blah |
| 06:56.14 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 06:56.19 | ChipX86 | there needs to be better softbody docs |
| 06:57.50 | slimspace | purple_cow: so how exactly is the menu animation accomplished? |
| 06:58.43 | purple_cow | for the RingMenu, it's done inside the layout |
| 06:58.56 | slimspace | layoutContainer() perhaps? |
| 06:59.33 | purple_cow | it does component.setAnimation (), then passes a time argument to component.change* |
| 06:59.38 | scanlime | heh.. I've got a few people in here I just can't see myself ever calling again |
| 06:59.43 | purple_cow | and the actual animation is done inside lg3d |
| 07:00.08 | slimspace | oh, ok |
| 07:00.16 | slimspace | so we just dictate its new position and lg3d takes care of it |
| 07:00.20 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 07:00.28 | slimspace | nifty |
| 07:00.33 | purple_cow | i'm not yet sure how we'll do stuff for the cityscape, since it's so different |
| 07:00.52 | purple_cow | also, keep in mind that the current animation is kind of crummy -- the ring menu items don't move in a circle, they move linearly |
| 07:01.03 | slimspace | right, I've noticed that |
| 07:01.16 | purple_cow | but for know, i think that's sufficient |
| 07:01.31 | slimspace | yeah, it doesn't look horrible |
| 07:01.32 | purple_cow | better to get as many things working as possible than just spend all the time polishing one piece |
| 07:02.25 | slimspace | nod |
| 07:02.52 | slimspace | well, do we have a clear idea of how the cityscape is to be represented? i.e. what each building could/would represent? |
| 07:03.10 | purple_cow | well, i was going to start with a subclass for filesystems |
| 07:04.13 | slimspace | I guess directories then could be the buildings (size indicated by number of items, date, etc.) |
| 07:04.35 | purple_cow | for now it doesn't really matter. i'd just like to get the interaction down |
| 07:05.16 | slimspace | seems to me for now we can use something similar to the ring menu's implementation, just change how it's rendered. |
| 07:05.51 | purple_cow | well, the ring menu has a flat structure, and the actual items move |
| 07:05.58 | purple_cow | cityscape is deep, and the items don't move |
| 07:06.49 | slimspace | well, we'd have to use a camera metaphore there. But I mean there's no reason why we can't use the idea of moveLeft() and moveRight() (along with up and down) for selection. Then it's just a matter of how we orient the camera and how we show a selection. |
| 07:07.35 | slimspace | And as far as camera is concerned, we could either use an actual camera, or just offset the whole rendering by a certain amount |
| 07:08.00 | purple_cow | well -- the basic interaction of Container3D and LayoutManager3D is for, afaict, a flat structure |
| 07:08.14 | slimspace | so no camera |
| 07:08.22 | purple_cow | well, we'll want to move the stuff around |
| 07:08.27 | slimspace | right |
| 07:08.50 | purple_cow | it's just we need to figure out how to navigate through the tree cleanly and fast |
| 07:08.51 | slimspace | ok, that's easy enough. Just have a global offset that's taken into account during rendering |
| 07:09.56 | slimspace | hmm...it'd be nice if the view could change to show us the most clear view of whatever it is we've selected...like if we've got a tall building selected in the back, it would spin the cityscape around so that it's in front and very visible |
| 07:10.08 | slimspace | and for small buildings embedded in the middle, it could take a top-down view |
| 07:10.17 | slimspace | s/top-down/overhead |
| 07:10.30 | purple_cow | i was starting to think that they should all be the same height |
| 07:10.39 | purple_cow | that way we don't have to worry about occlusion |
| 07:10.59 | slimspace | but that kinda defeats the purpose of having the cityscape, doesn't it? |
| 07:11.05 | purple_cow | not really |
| 07:11.09 | slimspace | we're back to a plane menu |
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| 07:14.02 | slimspace | ok, then it'd all be pretty visible. But if we had buildings vastly different in size, I'm thinking we just fade out the buildings in front enough so that ones in the back can be seen clearly |
| 07:14.30 | purple_cow | then you have to navigate to something (or near something) before you can see it |
| 07:14.38 | scanlime | gahhh |
| 07:14.40 | purple_cow | anyhoo, it's something to play with |
| 07:14.46 | slimspace | hmm, yeah... |
| 07:14.53 | scanlime | so I just spent a bunch of time typing all my old contacts into this stupid nokia VCard editor |
| 07:14.57 | scanlime | and now it wants to sync with outlook |
| 07:15.12 | slimspace | purple_cow: well, we could implement the support for the different sizes and just toy around and see what works best |
| 07:15.20 | numist | scanlime: nice -- kill it |
| 07:16.06 | slimspace | hmm...we'll need a new kind of item class... |
| 07:16.07 | purple_cow | i'm more concerned about building the tree, showing it, and navigating down from the top to a leaf |
| 07:16.26 | slimspace | nod |
| 07:16.31 | scanlime | oo.. they have a really handy windows explorer extension that mounts the phone's filesystem |
| 07:16.45 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah. probably want to abstract menu.Item and make the current implementation be an IconItem |
| 07:16.59 | ChipX86 | I wonder how many untitled folders I'm going to get on my desktop before I stop right-clicking and choosing the top menu item for a terminal |
| 07:17.00 | purple_cow | though...hmm |
| 07:17.00 | numist | on thats handy |
| 07:17.12 | purple_cow | this tree thing will take some thought |
| 07:17.15 | slimspace | purple_cow: there's not a whole lot useful here for the cityscape |
| 07:17.39 | slimspace | activate and realize would stay, but the others... |
| 07:18.15 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/poor-blob.avi |
| 07:18.34 | slimspace | purple_cow: well, if we don't use the current icon class, we could create a new building class and just use that. Then the arc and ring menus would both use item, and the cityscape would have its own |
| 07:20.06 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah, that'd be fine |
| 07:20.28 | purple_cow | no more pie :( |
| 07:20.36 | numist | gnight fellas |
| 07:21.29 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 07:24.00 | slimspace | hmm... |
| 07:24.20 | slimspace | ah |
| 07:27.09 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r286 10prototype/src/menu/Building.java: Quick implementation of a building for our cityscape. Still need to add drawing code |
| 07:28.12 | slimspace | hmm...the loader will need a little work to support CityScape buildings properly |
| 07:29.08 | purple_cow | slimspace: well, for most of the cities we probably won't want to specify everything in XML |
| 07:29.23 | slimspace | hmm, you're right. hadn't thought of that |
| 07:29.31 | purple_cow | that's why i had a subclass for filesystems - just tell it the root, and let it populate itself |
| 07:29.37 | slimspace | right |
| 07:32.08 | slimspace | now, to figure out how to draw 3D objects in lg3d... |
| 07:33.31 | ChipX86 | why are you two making cities? |
| 07:33.47 | ChipX86 | I fear it has to do with the media program |
| 07:35.33 | scanlime | I wonder if this phone's mp3 player supports stereo bluetooth headphones |
| 07:35.45 | purple_cow | ChipX86: yes. it will be awesome and maybe fugly |
| 07:35.58 | scanlime | I just need a 20GB microdrive shaped like a MMC card, and I can ditch my rio! |
| 07:36.15 | scanlime | oof |
| 07:36.22 | scanlime | takes a while to copy an 8MB MP3 over bluetooth |
| 07:36.41 | ChipX86 | I want my blobs to stop detonating |
| 07:36.51 | scanlime | don't we all? |
| 07:37.25 | ChipX86 | did you see the sad video? |
| 07:40.28 | slimspace | ah, it seems I need a panel of some sort |
| 07:42.41 | purple_cow | panel? |
| 07:42.56 | slimspace | for the bottom table anyway |
| 07:43.17 | slimspace | ...and ultimately I just want to get something on the screen for starters |
| 07:44.16 | purple_cow | you probably just want to use Box |
| 07:44.37 | slimspace | probably |
| 07:45.13 | scanlime | huh |
| 07:45.19 | scanlime | for a phone, this mp3 player ain't bad |
| 07:49.25 | ChipX86 | bah this is hard |
| 07:50.15 | scanlime | purple_cow: :) |
| 07:50.21 | scanlime | hah. 65 processes on my phone |
| 07:50.23 | purple_cow | they're funny and sad |
| 07:50.36 | purple_cow | it hurts to see people trip over software i know so well |
| 07:56.33 | scanlime | yeah |
| 07:57.52 | scanlime | you know, after using Symbian I finally understand what it was those silly PicoGUI users were trying to clone |
| 07:58.32 | ChipX86 | "Blender animation using CORBA" |
| 08:03.46 | purple_cow | i'm curious how some of these would work with a stock gnome system |
| 08:04.01 | purple_cow | the apps menu on the nld system they have is huge |
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| 08:12.27 | purple_cow | well, i'm impressed that gmail can identify all this chinese spam |
| 08:12.43 | purple_cow | but why the hell is 98% of my spam in chinese?! |
| 08:17.01 | slimspace | purple_cow: quick question...how do objects in RingLayout get from there to the screen? |
| 08:17.30 | ChipX86 | hrm, now I have to figure out how to merge paths, which doesn't seem to be easy |
| 08:29.13 | purple_cow | slimspace: the Menu itself is added to the scene manager's root inside StateManager |
| 08:29.22 | purple_cow | once the container is in the scene graph, all its children get drawn |
| 08:31.06 | ChipX86 | ARGH |
| 08:31.08 | ChipX86 | blender crawshed |
| 08:31.50 | ChipX86 | lost it all |
| 08:33.02 | purple_cow | you do remember the first rule of blender, right? |
| 08:35.28 | ChipX86 | save after every movement of the mouse? |
| 08:35.55 | purple_cow | yes |
| 08:36.12 | purple_cow | or, as i prefer to say it, "no matter how stable this new version of blender -appears-, save constantly" |
| 08:38.13 | purple_cow | yay, the ancient battleground of kitchen colosseum |
| 08:41.15 | ChipX86 | this should look neat |
| 08:41.19 | ChipX86 | the soft body stuff rocks, though takes a lot of getting used to |
| 08:43.58 | purple_cow | seen some very impressive demos so far |
| 08:44.23 | ChipX86 | you have to play with the settings a bit, though, or your objects will collapse or explode |
| 08:44.33 | ChipX86 | which is also fun |
| 08:44.45 | purple_cow | well, yeah, it's basically just a spring system, right? :) |
| 08:44.54 | ChipX86 | more or less |
| 08:45.09 | purple_cow | simulations like that are generally pretty unstable |
| 08:45.34 | purple_cow | though i did see something at siggraph this year about a stable simulation |
| 08:46.57 | ChipX86 | blender gets all slow after awhile if you don't shut it down |
| 08:47.45 | ChipX86 | animation renders take way too long |
| 08:48.35 | ChipX86 | geeze, it got late |
| 08:56.28 | purple_cow | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/17/cramped_movie_marque.html |
| 08:57.03 | slimspace | grr |
| 08:57.20 | purple_cow | commit? |
| 08:57.58 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r287 10prototype/src/ (MediaCenter.java SceneManager.java menu/CityLayout.java): The beginnings of a rendered cityscape menu |
| 08:58.22 | slimspace | I've tried the code both in layoutContainer and in CityLayout |
| 09:00.33 | ChipX86 | http://thedailywtf.com/ <- hah! Best Switch Ever |
| 09:00.50 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r288 10prototype/src/MediaCenter.java: I already had it creating a cityscape - select 'watch a video', then 'browse /tmp' |
| 09:01.05 | slimspace | ah |
| 09:01.19 | purple_cow | ook, now to figure this out |
| 09:01.24 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r289 10prototype/src/MediaCenter.java: no need to import every single lg3d class into this :P |
| 09:02.19 | purple_cow | ok, the layout shouldn't actually modify the scene graph |
| 09:02.35 | purple_cow | it's only job is to position/size the children of a Container3D |
| 09:03.12 | slimspace | ok, so that code should go into CityScape? |
| 09:03.17 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/jump-blob.avi <- better, but still not right.. oh well |
| 09:04.05 | purple_cow | slimspace: yeah, i'm moving it |
| 09:04.10 | slimspace | ok |
| 09:04.11 | purple_cow | be done in a couple minutes |
| 09:07.01 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r290 10prototype/src/menu/ (CityLayout.java CityScape.java): move scene code into CityScape |
| 09:07.12 | purple_cow | Menu inherits from Container3D, so you can just addChild() within it |
| 09:07.31 | purple_cow | it's drawing now, but kind of boring |
| 09:07.38 | slimspace | mmm, yeah |
| 09:07.50 | purple_cow | boxes should really go into the lit branch of the scene graph, so we'll maybe need to add a member of Menu that specifies whether it should be lit or unlit |
| 09:09.12 | purple_cow | oh, i have an idea, hang on |
| 09:10.39 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r291 10prototype/src/menu/CityScape.java: change some numbers around, since Z is going into the screen. it now looks more like a table and less like a rectangle |
| 09:10.41 | purple_cow | woo |
| 09:12.28 | slimspace | that's more like how I had it looking |
| 09:12.33 | slimspace | cool |
| 09:12.41 | purple_cow | ah - i guess i forgot to copy over the rotation stuff |
| 09:12.52 | slimspace | don't need it anymore it would seem |
| 09:14.42 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r292 10prototype/src/menu/CityScape.java: Yuk, red kinda sucks. Be green |
| 09:15.15 | scanlime | this is bad... |
| 09:15.27 | scanlime | the port of Frozen Bubble to Symbian is really good |
| 09:15.34 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r293 10prototype/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add a 'lit' member to Menu, set it in the various subclasses, and choose which branch of the scene graph we use based on it |
| 09:15.41 | purple_cow | scanlime: hehe |
| 09:16.36 | slimspace | ah, that's a lot better looking now |
| 09:16.53 | purple_cow | yep |
| 09:16.58 | purple_cow | lighting in lg3d is a bit of a pain |
| 09:17.05 | slimspace | so I've noticed |
| 09:17.27 | purple_cow | there's no way to disable lighting for some scene nodes, so we have a branch where the only active light is 100% ambient :P |
| 09:18.18 | slimspace | mmm, yeah...yuk |
| 09:19.55 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r294 10prototype/src/menu/Building.java: ws |
| 09:20.04 | purple_cow | slimspace: sliding isn't necessary |
| 09:20.22 | purple_cow | the only reason the menus have a slick animation is because the items start out at 0,0,0 and are changeTranslation()'ed into place :P |
| 09:20.23 | slimspace | nuts, you're using tabs... |
| 09:20.31 | slimspace | ah |
| 09:20.58 | purple_cow | totally accidental |
| 09:21.09 | purple_cow | how much have you played with the ring menu? |
| 09:21.15 | purple_cow | have you held down an arrow key yet? :) |
| 09:21.26 | slimspace | yep, I noticed that :) |
| 09:22.13 | purple_cow | there's a lot of kind-of-cool accidental behavior right now |
| 09:25.40 | scanlime | oh hey.. There's a "telephone" app on this thing. I wonder if you can use it to place calls? |
| 09:26.42 | slimspace | a telephone? to place calls? blasphemy |
| 09:28.35 | purple_cow | i want my AA :( |
| 09:28.56 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r295 10prototype/src/menu/ (CityLayout.java CityScape.java): ok, we can add and delete buildings now...just need to get them to render. |
| 09:29.50 | slimspace | should it be the building's responsibility to know where it's located, or the layout? I'm thinking layout |
| 09:30.09 | slimspace | in fact, yeah |
| 09:30.11 | purple_cow | seems like layout |
| 09:31.02 | slimspace | hmm...do we want fixed building widths and lengths? |
| 09:31.10 | slimspace | just have the menu resize as needed? |
| 09:31.16 | purple_cow | fukui-san! |
| 09:31.26 | slimspace | um...yes? |
| 09:31.35 | purple_cow | slimspace: i think for the very first one, let's just have all the buildings be flattened cubes |
| 09:31.44 | purple_cow | equal width & length, maybe 1/2 height? |
| 09:31.49 | slimspace | alright |
| 09:31.57 | purple_cow | then once we get the interaction working, we can start to fiddle with sizes |
| 09:39.42 | purple_cow | even with that, we should probably make things like the selected-item hilight use the bounding boxes just so we don't need to rewrite it when we start changing sizes |
| 09:40.09 | slimspace | right |
| 09:42.23 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r296 10prototype/src/menu/ (Building.java CityLayout.java): mmm...render work...time for bed |
| 09:43.58 | purple_cow | 'night |
| 09:44.08 | slimspace | 'gnight purple_cow and all |
| 09:47.58 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r297 10prototype/src/menu/CityLayout.java: i like compiling! |
| 09:49.22 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r298 10prototype/src/menu/Item.java: Bitstream Vera Sans is better than Monospaced. Still isn't antialiased... |
| 09:57.48 | Sophie197 | ugh |
| 09:58.08 | Sophie197 | huge test in Electronics tonight. |
| 09:58.35 | Sophie197 | and I didn't finish the 30 page pre-test test thingy |
| 09:58.54 | Sophie197 | and we were supposed to do more homework on top of that |
| 09:59.03 | Sophie197 | kill me now. |
| 10:03.00 | rioter | if it doesnt kill you, the tetnus will |
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| 16:12.21 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r299 10prototype/src/menu/Item.java: |
| 16:12.21 | CIA-5 | smrt: Tried some fiddling to calculat the width of text even though Text2D doesn't |
| 16:12.21 | CIA-5 | smrt: have a means of providing it. It might work, but it's commented out for now |
| 16:12.21 | CIA-5 | smrt: because you can't use the default FontRenderContext constructor and we might |
| 16:12.21 | CIA-5 | smrt: want our own font implementation anyway. |
| 16:23.31 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r300 10prototype/src/menu/Item.java: |
| 16:23.31 | CIA-5 | smrt: Well, it's all there, but commented out because it makes the text disappear. |
| 16:23.31 | CIA-5 | smrt: There are comments explaining some of my theories. |
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| 17:06.38 | numist | ~mornings |
| 17:06.41 | jbot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:20.56 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9086 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Problem statement and Methods to Date. |
| 17:23.22 | scanlime | hah |
| 17:23.29 | ChipX86 | ugh. What a bad night |
| 17:23.39 | scanlime | I just got spam at my vmware.com address from someone selling high school graduation certificates :P |
| 17:24.04 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 17:26.09 | ChipX86 | they had that machine on the tracks outside my window again last night. Every time they do that, you can hear people in the apartments above and below me waking up and grumbling |
| 17:26.30 | scanlime | you mean a train? :P |
| 17:28.36 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 17:28.45 | ChipX86 | it's this machine that does.. something.. on the tracks. I don't really know what |
| 17:29.01 | ChipX86 | but it moves outside my window and stays there for 1-2 hours typically and makes this very loud grinding noise the entire time |
| 17:29.03 | scanlime | that was weord |
| 17:29.06 | scanlime | er, weird |
| 17:29.38 | scanlime | one of the HR people just walked in.. "You don't drive a black Hyundai, do you?" "No" "Good." |
| 17:29.41 | scanlime | and he leaves |
| 17:29.57 | CIA-5 | debian-kernel: 03micah * r4521 10/people/micah/pending_CVE_requests: Reformatted file, submitted CVEs noted as STATUS: Submitted |
| 17:30.30 | scanlime | ChipX86: I dunno about caltrain, but BART has this nifty machine that runs along the track every week or so and inspects its alignment |
| 17:31.36 | ChipX86 | maybe that's what this is, except it's about every 3 or 4 months |
| 17:31.57 | scanlime | caltrain isn't on top of things like BART is ;) |
| 17:32.29 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 17:33.01 | scanlime | that would rock if they just extended the BART system farther down the peninsula |
| 17:33.55 | scanlime | at least it's still fairly cheap if you have to transfer between caltrain and bart... |
| 17:34.03 | scanlime | at least it was when I was headed to the airport |
| 17:34.48 | scanlime | next friday I'm probably going to have to take the train to work, then take it straight to SFO |
| 17:41.29 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9087 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/: hush |
| 17:52.36 | numist | that rain is not joking anymore |
| 17:52.51 | numist | it been properly raining (by anyones standards) now for a few hours |
| 17:52.53 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 18:21.56 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 18:22.04 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Commit what I have of the FieldEntry widget into the staging branch for development and eventually review. This should make syncing between computers a lot easier for me. |
| 18:22.08 | ChipX86 | there we go |
| 18:24.22 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 18:24.35 | ChipX86 | the mouse wheel button on this mx1000 is flakey |
| 18:27.06 | scanlime | aww |
| 18:27.12 | scanlime | I found a bug in my cheap bluetooth dongle |
| 18:27.15 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 18:27.36 | scanlime | if you ask it for the first 64 bytes of the USB configuration descriptor, it returns 65 bytes |
| 18:27.48 | ChipX86 | ew |
| 18:27.52 | scanlime | now who in their right mind would ever ask for the first 64 bytes? |
| 18:28.01 | scanlime | well, apparently the vmusb driver. |
| 18:28.08 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 18:28.14 | scanlime | I'm not surprised at all that this got no test coverage by the manufacturer |
| 18:28.39 | scanlime | 99% of the time you'll read the first 9 bytes, then use that to figure out how long the entire descriptor is so you can read the whole thing in one go |
| 18:29.13 | scanlime | but this isn't our fault, it's in code we bought from elsewhere :) |
| 18:29.24 | scanlime | unfortunately we can't fix it without re-signing the driver |
| 18:29.29 | scanlime | which isn't gonna happen any time soon |
| 18:29.30 | ChipX86 | ughh |
| 18:29.34 | ChipX86 | great |
| 18:29.45 | scanlime | it's not a big deal, I'm probably the only one that owns this bluetooth adaptor ;) |
| 18:30.40 | scanlime | but I'm filing a bug complaining about the general brokenness of how we retrieve descriptors on windows hosts |
| 18:31.45 | scanlime | wow, another patch to my driver code from patrick |
| 18:32.59 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 18:33.10 | ChipX86 | ah damn |
| 18:37.22 | pagefault | hmm |
| 18:37.28 | pagefault | I can't get rid of this buzz sound when I use tv-out on the tv |
| 18:41.28 | scanlime | lots of people gone.. kinda slow around here |
| 18:42.46 | scanlime | maybe I'll try to get the rasterwand working in vmware :P |
| 18:42.58 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:43.16 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/ (3 files in 2 dirs): There was a mixup with the branching stuff. Working on the fix. |
| 18:43.20 | ChipX86 | hmm, HackSoc tonight |
| 18:43.50 | scanlime | hmm |
| 18:44.23 | numist | oh do it |
| 18:46.04 | ChipX86 | I hate cvs |
| 18:47.37 | scanlime | I hate obexftp |
| 18:48.54 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Revert the stuff that creeped into HEAD. I think we're back where we should be. |
| 18:50.45 | ChipX86 | ooh, Retroscope |
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| 18:55.21 | ChipX86 | scanlime: are you heading there tonight? |
| 18:55.56 | scanlime | maybe |
| 18:56.29 | ChipX86 | hopefully there won't be random people walking in wanting to talk about random crap |
| 18:57.14 | scanlime | yeah, I'm just not sure what to hack on... I have this need to play around with the python on my phone though :) |
| 18:57.39 | scanlime | I should get the bluetooth python console set up so I can use my laptop as a development environment for it |
| 18:57.47 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 19:04.49 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/fieldEntry.cc: Include errno.h so we can compile. This oddly wasn't needed on my laptop. |
| 19:09.54 | ChipX86 | ok, another IP entry usability question |
| 19:10.15 | ChipX86 | if the entry is "empty" ("..."), and you copy it or get the text, should it be an empty string or "..." ? |
| 19:13.07 | scanlime | the only time I can think of when that would matter is if you're copying/pasting part of an IP address |
| 19:13.16 | scanlime | let's say you typed 192.168 and you want to copy that for some reason |
| 19:13.21 | scanlime | I'd rather it leave out the extra dots |
| 19:13.29 | scanlime | so if you extend that logic, the empty string makes more sense |
| 19:13.36 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 19:17.53 | scanlime | do you hear that? |
| 19:18.20 | ChipX86 | hear what? |
| 19:18.58 | scanlime | sounds like a chainsaw outside |
| 19:19.08 | ChipX86 | oh. My hearing's not that good. I'm WFH |
| 19:19.14 | scanlime | oh |
| 19:19.24 | scanlime | was gonna say.. it's pretty loud here |
| 19:19.25 | ChipX86 | do they use chainsaws to get rid of speed bumps? |
| 19:19.31 | scanlime | sure hope so |
| 19:19.45 | ChipX86 | I liked the idea of lighting them on fire |
| 19:19.50 | scanlime | hehe |
| 19:19.51 | scanlime | yes |
| 19:20.48 | ChipX86 | ok, so you have 192.168.., and you copy the whole thing |
| 19:21.13 | ChipX86 | do you just get 192.168? |
| 19:21.35 | scanlime | I guess that's what I'd expect |
| 19:21.41 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 19:21.45 | ChipX86 | now here's a more tricky one |
| 19:21.52 | ChipX86 | 192...4 |
| 19:22.18 | scanlime | you put up a giant blinking message box telling the user to switch to ipv6? |
| 19:22.25 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 19:22.40 | ChipX86 | problem is that this isn't necessarily just an IP entry. It's a field entry. There will just be an IPEntry subclass |
| 19:22.52 | scanlime | yes |
| 19:23.14 | scanlime | well, what are some other example subclasses.. maybe they have more well-defined answers for how to deal with partial entries? |
| 19:23.22 | ChipX86 | serial number entry |
| 19:23.37 | scanlime | X fonts :) |
| 19:25.29 | ChipX86 | we can probably give subclasses more control, have some callback functions |
| 19:25.39 | ChipX86 | like in the case of 192...4, it could fill in 0s |
| 19:25.41 | ChipX86 | but I don't know |
| 19:26.47 | scanlime | well, there isn't a good generic answer. I'd say just returning "192...4" is a good default, but let subclasses override that maybe |
| 19:26.59 | scanlime | unless you can think of some subclasses that do provide good solutions already |
| 19:27.17 | ChipX86 | I can't off-hand |
| 19:28.18 | ChipX86 | talking to Regis about the car accident |
| 19:28.45 | ChipX86 | his wife is okay, just some minor injuries. Their daughter has been up at night crying hard though |
| 19:28.53 | ChipX86 | was apparently kind of in shock the whole day |
| 19:28.56 | kergoth | haha |
| 19:29.00 | scanlime | :( |
| 19:29.14 | ChipX86 | queue kergoth's inappropriately timed laughter |
| 19:29.17 | kergoth | ChipX86: in wow, there are jack-o-lanterns all over, you can buy halloween candy, adn buy costumes. one of which makes you a bat. people are flying around |
| 19:29.22 | kergoth | heh, yeah, oops |
| 19:29.33 | ChipX86 | oohh |
| 19:29.36 | ChipX86 | I wanna see |
| 19:29.37 | numist | nice |
| 19:29.43 | numist | screenshot |
| 19:29.45 | numist | and save that costume |
| 19:29.53 | numist | thatll be real useful in battle.. change into a bat and flee |
| 19:29.59 | kergoth | heh34 |
| 19:30.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:30.10 | ChipX86 | how long is this going on? |
| 19:30.16 | ChipX86 | I'll be able to do it tonight I assume |
| 19:30.30 | numist | today's not halloween, is it? |
| 19:30.44 | numist | no wait.. wrong month |
| 19:30.50 | numist | no wait, right month, wrong time |
| 19:30.55 | kergoth | halloween is in a couple weeks yet |
| 19:31.01 | ChipX86 | numist is all confuzzled |
| 19:31.05 | kergoth | apparently |
| 19:31.13 | numist | I am very confuzzles |
| 19:31.14 | ChipX86 | btw, Sushi Tomo's Tokyo rolls are soooo good |
| 19:31.18 | numist | -s+d |
| 19:31.24 | numist | are they.. we might have to do that |
| 19:31.28 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 19:31.33 | scanlime | purple_cow: you might appreciate this.. the device I'm investigating right now at work is that crazy audigy sound box you have :) |
| 19:31.37 | ChipX86 | shrimp tempura, avocado, and unagi |
| 19:31.40 | numist | nice |
| 19:31.58 | scanlime | mm sushi |
| 19:32.07 | ChipX86 | $8 for a thing of sushi isn't such a bad dinner |
| 19:38.14 | scanlime | ok.. I have too many bluetooth devices in my office now |
| 19:38.23 | scanlime | 2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 phone, and 2 PCs |
| 19:39.12 | kergoth | hhmmm |
| 19:39.30 | kergoth | what was the name of that one google search engine thatd show sentences that included your search of a person's name? |
| 19:39.52 | scanlime | googlisms? |
| 19:39.57 | scanlime | ir sinetgu liket that |
| 19:39.59 | kergoth | that was it, i hate my memory |
| 19:40.14 | scanlime | grr.. 3 keyboards in my office and I can't type |
| 19:40.28 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 19:40.31 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 19:42.38 | ChipX86 | if all goes well, this code will soon be less hacky and a lot nicer |
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| 19:46.09 | scanlime | for being so big, this phone actually sits better in my pocket than my old one did |
| 19:46.35 | scanlime | old one was a little thicker I think, and the stub antenna would get the whole thing stuck in odd orientations |
| 19:47.46 | kergoth | scanlime: i didnt like the size of this oen at first either, but its grown on me |
| 19:47.54 | kergoth | erm, no pun intended |
| 19:47.57 | scanlime | heh |
| 19:48.22 | scanlime | damnit windows, I don't want a "smart jukebox" that can acquire "Enhanced content provider services" |
| 19:48.30 | scanlime | I want to play an MP3 without filling out a 20 page wizard |
| 19:57.04 | scanlime | huh |
| 19:57.13 | scanlime | this was playing really smoothly, then windows media player just crashed |
| 19:57.25 | ChipX86 | I like to yell at Mark when that happens |
| 19:57.45 | scanlime | mark? |
| 19:57.49 | ChipX86 | Radcliff, on my team |
| 19:57.58 | ChipX86 | he's from MS, and worked on Windows Media Player |
| 19:58.01 | scanlime | hehe |
| 19:58.13 | ChipX86 | also worked for my uncle 20 years ago :) |
| 19:58.22 | ChipX86 | o/~ It's a small world afterall o/~ |
| 19:58.30 | scanlime | "Windows media player did this. I demand an explanation of these packets." |
| 19:58.35 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 20:03.16 | scanlime | man.. OBEX is so much nicer under windows |
| 20:06.36 | ChipX86 | kergoth: ping |
| 20:11.06 | scanlime | whoops |
| 20:11.14 | scanlime | unplugged the wrong USB hub and killed my file transfer |
| 20:11.25 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 20:11.47 | ChipX86 | hey, it worked! |
| 20:11.52 | scanlime | ooh |
| 20:11.56 | scanlime | bluescreened my windows host! |
| 20:12.08 | scanlime | and I wasn't really doing anything with vmware at the time... |
| 20:12.37 | ChipX86 | you mean.. windows is buggy? |
| 20:13.21 | scanlime | looks like it |
| 20:13.23 | scanlime | I know, it's a shock |
| 20:13.31 | scanlime | https://symbian.helixcommunity.org/ |
| 20:13.35 | scanlime | I should try that |
| 20:20.25 | Veight | hello |
| 20:28.45 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/fieldEntry.cc: |
| 20:28.45 | CIA-5 | view: Dramatically improve the text insertion code. We can now insert any length at |
| 20:28.45 | CIA-5 | view: any point and, assuming it's all valid, it will fill out the fields. This |
| 20:28.46 | CIA-5 | view: allows pasting of IPs to work smoothly, and even better, it's the same exact |
| 20:28.46 | CIA-5 | view: code that is used when the user is simply typing an IP character-by-character. |
| 20:43.55 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/ (fieldEntry.cc fieldEntry.hh): |
| 20:43.55 | CIA-5 | view: - Split GetField() into GetField() and GetFieldPosition(). |
| 20:43.55 | CIA-5 | view: - Fixed backspacing into an empty field. |
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| 20:50.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (362 files in 53 dirs): move to a more appropriate repoitory |
| 20:50.48 | scanlime | wow |
| 20:51.02 | scanlime | only 30% CPU to play back an MP3 via vmware on a USB audio device :) |
| 20:51.08 | scanlime | well, 30% of two Xeons |
| 20:51.40 | scanlime | occasional glitches on a linux host.. nothing but glitches on a windows host |
| 20:51.57 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 20:52.14 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (294 files in 39 dirs): |
| 20:52.26 | scanlime | perry said he got flawless playback on linux though, so this might just be debugging overhead |
| 20:52.33 | scanlime | 'course, perry has a disgustingly fast machine |
| 20:54.05 | scanlime | now vusb-analyzer gets to eat all my CPU for a couple minutes while I get coffee :) |
| 21:04.19 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/tools/mapedit/ (66 files in 14 dirs): |
| 21:10.14 | scanlime | hehe |
| 21:10.28 | scanlime | ChipX86: paul just stopped by to convince me to come to the hacking society widget :) |
| 21:10.52 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 21:11.04 | scanlime | I wonder if I coudld port fyre to symbian... :P |
| 21:11.18 | scanlime | I wonder if my javascript implementation of de jong would run at all on this phone's browser :) |
| 21:11.31 | scanlime | it'd probably eat up all the RAM and crash after rendering a few pixels |
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| 21:11.51 | JayPee | ooooh |
| 21:11.51 | scanlime | oh no |
| 21:11.51 | purple_cow | i found a flash implementation the other day |
| 21:11.56 | purple_cow | linking to us :) |
| 21:12.01 | JayPee | is this where all the cool kids are hanging out these days? |
| 21:12.07 | ChipX86 | oh no! |
| 21:12.07 | scanlime | JayPee: for some values of cool |
| 21:12.09 | ChipX86 | he's invaded us |
| 21:12.18 | ChipX86 | quick, stop giving out trade secrets about the build system |
| 21:12.21 | JayPee | All your taco fillings are belong to us |
| 21:12.34 | scanlime | JayPee: are you an Invader Zim fan? :) |
| 21:12.38 | JayPee | ChipX86: Which? The part where it sucks? |
| 21:12.48 | ChipX86 | JayPee: especially that part. We have a patent on that, right? |
| 21:13.05 | JayPee | scanlime: not as much as I should be; I'm more of a Family Guy/Aqua Teen Hunger Force/Robot Chicken-kind of a guy |
| 21:13.10 | scanlime | I think we have a patent on perl hacks too. That's why auto* had to use M4 instead. |
| 21:13.23 | scanlime | ooh, robot chicken |
| 21:13.29 | scanlime | I haven't watched that in a while... need more |
| 21:13.33 | JayPee | ChipX86: I wish. Since most build systems suck, we could sue everyone for millions |
| 21:13.34 | ChipX86 | robot chicken good |
| 21:13.39 | ChipX86 | JayPee: :D |
| 21:13.41 | JayPee | scanlime: I have 3-4 weeks of it on tape |
| 21:13.50 | JayPee | VHS: It's *my* TiVo. |
| 21:13.51 | scanlime | QIC-80? |
| 21:14.04 | ChipX86 | you know what's fun? I've spent all day working on an open source project and getting paid by vmware to do it, and it's okay because it's a vmware project! |
| 21:14.04 | JayPee | scanlime: correction, betamax. |
| 21:14.21 | JayPee | ChipX86: speaking of which, you caused me to sexually harass someone today |
| 21:14.25 | JayPee | if I get fired, I'm taking you down w/ me |
| 21:14.28 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/game.h src/game.cpp): |
| 21:14.31 | ChipX86 | JayPee: I do that to people |
| 21:14.31 | scanlime | ChipX86: I wonder if vmware'd let me open source vusb-analyzer ;) |
| 21:14.38 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ask |
| 21:15.04 | ChipX86 | JayPee: what'd you do? |
| 21:15.07 | ChipX86 | talk about libsexy? |
| 21:15.10 | ChipX86 | or libsexymm? |
| 21:15.22 | JayPee | ChipX86: yes. Someone asked WTH it was, since Sandbox was borked on it. |
| 21:15.28 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 21:15.33 | scanlime | hehe |
| 21:15.38 | ChipX86 | I claim no responsibility for that part of it |
| 21:15.38 | JayPee | so I had to explain |
| 21:15.45 | JayPee | about the "doing bad things to good widgets" |
| 21:15.49 | ChipX86 | >:) |
| 21:16.08 | JayPee | after I was done explaining that the slot goes into the signal, and out of the signal and into the signal, they said that I'd be hearing from HR |
| 21:16.25 | ChipX86 | hah, you're kidding |
| 21:16.36 | JayPee | No. :-/ |
| 21:16.42 | ChipX86 | eep |
| 21:16.48 | JayPee | (yes) |
| 21:17.01 | scanlime | crazy. |
| 21:17.08 | ChipX86 | yes to the eep or yes to the kidding? |
| 21:17.36 | ChipX86 | I don't see how you could get in trouble because of a library |
| 21:17.41 | JayPee | both. :-P |
| 21:17.45 | ChipX86 | oh ok |
| 21:18.14 | JayPee | speaking of which, who did you ask to open source the stuff you did? |
| 21:18.17 | ChipX86 | doesn't the signal go into the slot? |
| 21:18.25 | JayPee | I'd like to open source some of our Perforce tools |
| 21:18.29 | ChipX86 | Paul Chan and Jocelyn |
| 21:18.37 | JayPee | hrm... |
| 21:18.43 | scanlime | I should open source the UHCI core while chris is gone >:) |
| 21:18.54 | JayPee | so, translating for me, that'd be... Liz and Keiran, I guess... |
| 21:18.56 | ChipX86 | it was very hard to convince them. I had to actually tell them the plan and wait two seconds until they said it sounded like a great idea |
| 21:19.30 | ChipX86 | I still can't believe we got that name on sourceforge |
| 21:20.41 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/jump-blob.avi (updated from the overnight render, still not perfect, but oh well) |
| 21:21.21 | scanlime | bah, my mplayer at work is very low on codecs |
| 21:21.27 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 21:21.40 | scanlime | obviously I don't spend enough time here watching movies |
| 21:21.46 | ChipX86 | how silly |
| 21:21.51 | ChipX86 | apt-get install w32codecs? |
| 21:22.58 | scanlime | what server is that on? I don't have it in my sources.list apparently |
| 21:23.05 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 21:23.20 | scanlime | I always just assumed they didn't have debs of that, and downloaded it by hand |
| 21:23.30 | ChipX86 | you know, I'm not sure |
| 21:23.40 | ChipX86 | maybe it was from a third party repo, because it's not saying |
| 21:23.41 | scanlime | what did you encode it with anyway? why would I need w32codecs? |
| 21:23.43 | ChipX86 | and it's installed now |
| 21:23.48 | ChipX86 | mencoder |
| 21:23.52 | ChipX86 | *shrug* |
| 21:24.00 | scanlime | so I'm probably just missing a USE flag! |
| 21:24.01 | scanlime | :P |
| 21:24.07 | ChipX86 | mencoder mf://*.png -ovc lavc -o jump-blob.avi -mf fps=25 |
| 21:25.13 | scanlime | I'll have to show you putty on my phone with a stowaway keyboard tonight. It's incredibly cute, if a bit laggy over GPRS |
| 21:25.21 | ChipX86 | cool :) |
| 21:25.48 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9088 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Interview questions. Change some formatting. |
| 21:25.49 | scanlime | "One of the SUB devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned" |
| 21:25.55 | scanlime | er.. s/SUB/USB/ |
| 21:25.57 | scanlime | good going, windows |
| 21:26.00 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 21:26.03 | file | mmm... sub... now I'm hungry |
| 21:26.07 | scanlime | yeah |
| 21:26.15 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 21:27.42 | scanlime | I should bring some real headphones, if I'm going to be working on audio this week |
| 21:27.53 | scanlime | this headset I borrowed sucks |
| 21:29.39 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9089 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/ (. design_brief.tex): hush |
| 21:31.42 | purple_cow | oh no! |
| 21:31.59 | purple_cow | the sexual harassment regime has caught up with me! |
| 21:32.11 | scanlime | purple_cow: this USB audigy is rather cute |
| 21:32.18 | scanlime | but it appears the volume knobs don't work under windows either |
| 21:32.25 | scanlime | at least not when you're using it as a generic usb audio device |
| 21:32.32 | purple_cow | i feel like i'm in some kind of training policy logan's run |
| 21:32.43 | purple_cow | volume knobs work under windows for me, but i've got their drivers installed |
| 21:32.46 | scanlime | :) |
| 21:33.38 | purple_cow | i only wish that it would work better wrt sample rates in linux |
| 21:33.56 | purple_cow | pita to resample everything to 48khz |
| 21:34.07 | scanlime | nod |
| 21:34.24 | scanlime | ALSA has a lot of catching up to do.. the USB audio standard is pretty thick |
| 21:34.41 | scanlime | have you read any of it? |
| 21:34.49 | purple_cow | of course not |
| 21:34.58 | scanlime | the audio class descriptors actually build a little graph modeling all the internal mixers and filters and stuff in your audio device |
| 21:35.05 | purple_cow | crazy |
| 21:35.35 | scanlime | pretty strict timing requirements too |
| 21:36.04 | scanlime | it's funny seeing high-end audio mixing software requiring USB audio devices, because they can just talk directly to the hardware and get super-tiny latencies with guaranteed phase and jitter tolerances |
| 21:37.33 | scanlime | sigh.. windows machines are so much better at giving us audio headaches than linux machines |
| 21:38.54 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r301 10prototype/src/menu/CityScape.java: deactivate on pressing esc |
| 21:39.51 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9090 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Some minor changes to the title page. |
| 21:41.55 | ChipX86 | I love this widget |
| 21:42.00 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9091 10teaching_boxes/docs/proposal/proposal.tex: Keep formatting consistent between docs. |
| 21:46.50 | ChipX86 | hahaha, this is great. Such a wonderful hack |
| 21:48.31 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/fieldEntry.cc: Make deletion work. You can select the whole thing and hit delete, select a couple of fields, select parts of fields. It all just works. |
| 21:52.52 | ChipX86 | if anybody wants to grab that widget and try to make it break, I'd love it |
| 21:52.54 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 21:53.00 | ChipX86 | Cae|Food: hey, want some fun? :) |
| 21:54.55 | purple_cow | what's it do? |
| 21:55.12 | ChipX86 | it's a hopefully non-sucky IP entry. Well, field entry, but the test program has an IP entry subclass of it |
| 21:55.17 | ChipX86 | it's a GtkEntry with fields in it |
| 21:56.32 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/tests/test-ip-entry.cc: Remove the old IPEntry widget from the test program so as not to confuse people. |
| 21:58.27 | purple_cow | Sophie197: this night zombies song is fantastic |
| 22:00.41 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/VC71/client.ico: icon change |
| 22:01.05 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9092 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Brief profiles of our interviewees. Add a small outline to the Methods section. |
| 22:04.01 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (3 files in 2 dirs): icon change |
| 22:04.22 | ChipX86 | are there functions for turning an IP into its dotless form and back? |
| 22:04.57 | JayPee | uhh |
| 22:05.02 | JayPee | You mean like inet_aton? |
| 22:05.06 | ChipX86 | good |
| 22:05.06 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9093 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Empty sections to outline the flow of the document. |
| 22:05.22 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:05.22 | JayPee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.22 | JayPee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.22 | JayPee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.22 | JayPee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.41 | JayPee | actually, that probably even does more than you want |
| 22:06.17 | ChipX86 | guess it doesn't hurt to wrap this stuff though |
| 22:06.35 | JayPee | Port-a-bility! |
| 22:06.37 | ChipX86 | why oh why did he use an ostringstream to convert a number to a string.. |
| 22:07.31 | nullpuppy | yay! |
| 22:07.42 | ChipX86 | heh, and this function requires that the input is an unsigned long, so he makes it accept a long and then static_casts it inside the function |
| 22:08.23 | JayPee | ChipX86: do I know said intern? |
| 22:08.23 | nullpuppy | haha, yay! |
| 22:08.30 | ChipX86 | JayPee: probably not |
| 22:08.31 | ChipX86 | he's gone now |
| 22:08.49 | JayPee | Is said intern coming back? ;-) |
| 22:08.53 | ChipX86 | possibly |
| 22:09.21 | ChipX86 | the problem is just that he waited until the last day to send out his major project code review, and it didn't even match our coding style |
| 22:10.31 | JayPee | "oops |
| 22:18.49 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/server/VC71/ (server.rc server.vcproj): need the loger |
| 22:23.05 | scanlime | hehe |
| 22:23.13 | scanlime | apparently |
| 22:23.26 | scanlime | it's a good thing phone LCDs are low res enough to hide how much their cameras suck |
| 22:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9094 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Decided that a table of contents would be good. |
| 22:24.01 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9095 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/: ignore *.toc |
| 22:27.13 | purple_cow | aargh |
| 22:27.22 | purple_cow | i just realized that the copy of this book i bought is missing the CD |
| 22:27.23 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/data/model/styleTank.obj: |
| 22:27.47 | ChipX86 | I can't have a cape :( |
| 22:27.56 | ChipX86 | but I'm shaunm's hero, so it's okay |
| 22:34.10 | CIA-5 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (4 files in 4 dirs): sln to build it all, just like nix |
| 22:36.06 | kergoth | !inigo |
| 22:36.10 | kergoth | ~inigo |
| 22:36.12 | jbot | Humiliations galore! |
| 22:36.33 | kergoth | ~inigo |
| 22:36.35 | jbot | Let me 'splain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up. |
| 22:41.42 | purple_cow | it's funny because it's poisonous! |
| 22:44.32 | scanlime | hmm |
| 22:44.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9096 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: There's something of a summary for our first participant. |
| 22:45.12 | purple_cow | scanlime: eek |
| 22:45.25 | purple_cow | don't do it! |
| 22:47.04 | ChipX86 | gnome-canvas?! oh noes |
| 22:47.19 | ChipX86 | that's a crappy scary library |
| 22:47.38 | scanlime | how good is it at dealing with really big datasets? |
| 22:47.46 | ChipX86 | it's bad at dealing with almost everything |
| 22:47.50 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:47.55 | ChipX86 | it's a very poorly designed library |
| 22:48.00 | ChipX86 | just moving something on the screen takes effort |
| 22:48.06 | scanlime | see, no moving |
| 22:48.11 | scanlime | I just need to plot a bunch of stuff |
| 22:49.03 | purple_cow | use cairo or gdk |
| 22:49.09 | purple_cow | anything but gnome-canvas :P |
| 22:49.10 | ChipX86 | gnomecanvas really isn't worth it |
| 22:49.18 | ChipX86 | it always seems like maybe it'll do what you need |
| 22:49.24 | ChipX86 | and then a week later you're still trying to get it to do anything |
| 22:49.31 | scanlime | I need a scene graph.. could implement it myself with gdk, but I'd rather not |
| 22:49.37 | scanlime | got ubuntu packages for pycairo? :) |
| 22:49.42 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:49.45 | ChipX86 | breezy has them |
| 22:49.46 | scanlime | where? |
| 22:49.47 | scanlime | aw |
| 22:49.50 | ChipX86 | not sure about hoary |
| 22:49.52 | ChipX86 | python-cairo I think |
| 22:49.55 | purple_cow | time to dist-upgrade! :) |
| 22:50.08 | scanlime | an apt-cache search for cairo on hoary turns up nothing |
| 22:50.09 | ChipX86 | the dist-upgrade was quite painless really. Just had to run it a couple times |
| 22:50.13 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:50.14 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:50.25 | scanlime | well, lemme try a quick smoke test on gnome-canvas first |
| 22:50.31 | scanlime | I'm curious how badly it will deal with this |
| 22:50.51 | scanlime | little of this will actually end up talking to the canvas anyway |
| 22:51.07 | ChipX86 | food would be a good thing about now |
| 22:51.18 | scanlime | my cute little debug tool is going to be getting a lot bigger if I decide to go through with this |
| 22:55.46 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:55.46 | CIA-5 | view: - Add public API functions for working directly with the fields. |
| 22:55.46 | CIA-5 | view: - Make IPEntry a FieldEntry subclass. |
| 22:55.46 | CIA-5 | view: - Improve the test program to show more IPEntries, one of which is populated by a dotless IP. |
| 22:56.50 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9097 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Partial summary of participant 2 |
| 22:58.43 | scanlime | (0,0) is in the middle of the canvas? |
| 22:59.55 | scanlime | hmm |
| 23:00.06 | scanlime | this really isn't bad at handling large numbers of rectangles |
| 23:00.19 | scanlime | no worse than treeview is at running this other stuff |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#tacobeam orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 23:08.33 | purple_cow | hahahaha |
| 23:08.38 | purple_cow | the poem on hadess' blog is great |
| 23:13.35 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:13.58 | ChipX86 | he's an interesting guy. Met him at the summit |
| 23:16.04 | purple_cow | he's one of only a few xchat-gnome contributors :) |
| 23:16.44 | ChipX86 | cool :) |
| 23:16.53 | ChipX86 | so I got a render of some soft body stuff |
| 23:16.59 | ChipX86 | it's not perfect, but it's a step I guess |
| 23:17.05 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/jump-blob.avi |
| 23:17.07 | purple_cow | iirc it was just some build fixes, but still, yay patches |
| 23:17.25 | ChipX86 | have you done much with the animation system? |
| 23:17.32 | purple_cow | not too much |
| 23:17.52 | purple_cow | i was working with it script-wise for work, but the armature stuff was broken so i gave up |
| 23:17.55 | ChipX86 | I want to be able to change materials and soft body and stuff depending on the key frame, and can't figure it out |
| 23:17.56 | purple_cow | will need to try again once 2.40 comes out |
| 23:23.24 | purple_cow | i never got as far as doing animation on actual objects, just armatures |
| 23:23.31 | ChipX86 | ah. |
| 23:23.33 | ChipX86 | oh well |
| 23:23.40 | ChipX86 | maybe I'll write a tutorial if I can get this working well |
| 23:23.43 | ChipX86 | I love how the rook moves though |
| 23:24.03 | ChipX86 | and I have some plans on making the pawn move better |
| 23:24.23 | purple_cow | yeah, rook is cool |
| 23:24.55 | ChipX86 | the wobbly and bouncy movements are all softbody-generated |
| 23:25.02 | ChipX86 | it's harder to tweak than it seems :/ |
| 23:27.46 | ChipX86 | you could always pass the time by flirting with some of the girls in there |
| 23:27.51 | purple_cow | haha |
| 23:28.12 | purple_cow | i'm thinking i can either be totally excited about the whole thing to piss off everyone |
| 23:28.20 | purple_cow | or ask "can we role-play this?" for every point |
| 23:28.21 | ChipX86 | "YAY! Sex is BAD!" |
| 23:28.55 | scanlime | or you could just clap at inappropriate times |
| 23:29.00 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:29.25 | ChipX86 | hmm.. I think this widget is about ready |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/ (fieldEntry.cc ipEntry.cc): |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-5 | view: - Fixed an issue where deleting one character (say by hitting backspace) wouldn't erase from the field buffer correctly. |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-5 | view: - Fixed IP field validation. Characters such as spaces, '-' and '+' are no longer allowed. |
| 23:33.23 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/ (fieldEntry.cc fieldEntry.hh): |
| 23:33.24 | CIA-5 | view: - Rename {Set,Get}Field() to {Set,Get}CurrentField(). |
| 23:33.24 | CIA-5 | view: - Make fieldChanged public and rename it to currentFieldChanged. |
| 23:40.05 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 07staging * 10libview/libview/ (fieldEntry.cc fieldEntry.hh): Added a fieldTextChanged signal, and emit it after doing the hard work of inserting or deleting text. |