| 00:01.09 | purple_cow | i love how the only card that really has hardware mixer support is the sblive |
| 00:01.14 | purple_cow | it's been that way for what, 8 years? |
| 00:01.18 | pagefault | my nforce does :) |
| 00:01.21 | pagefault | but it's OSS only |
| 00:01.49 | ChipX86 | gdesklets sucks. Still. |
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| 00:02.14 | purple_cow | gdesklets will always suck, because it's a silly idea |
| 00:02.23 | ChipX86 | I like the idea |
| 00:02.26 | ChipX86 | I hate the implementation |
| 00:03.12 | ChipX86 | deskbar is neat |
| 00:03.30 | ChipX86 | someone should make it support opening tomboy notes |
| 00:03.52 | pagefault | Cliffs: glxgears does not `printf` the framerate unless it is run with an...ahh, extra command switch, as per below |
| 00:03.52 | pagefault | glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 00:03.53 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 00:03.57 | pagefault | more distros should do that |
| 00:03.58 | pagefault | I love ubunt |
| 00:03.59 | pagefault | u |
| 00:04.03 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:04.10 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 00:05.11 | ChipX86 | yay, squeak |
| 00:05.18 | ChipX86 | lots of fun new toys to play with in my menus |
| 00:05.44 | pagefault | I guess I need to get breezy |
| 00:05.51 | pagefault | I wonder how safe it is to do it through apt |
| 00:05.57 | ChipX86 | worked here |
| 00:06.06 | ChipX86 | doing it again to my VMs too |
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| 00:10.42 | pagefault | man |
| 00:10.45 | pagefault | the doom movie is so BS |
| 00:10.48 | pagefault | they can use the flashlight and the gun |
| 00:10.50 | pagefault | at the same time |
| 00:11.03 | ChipX86 | THAT's the part that's BS? |
| 00:11.10 | purple_cow | haha |
| 00:11.16 | file[laptop] | bleh Aliant is having technical issues in New Brunswick |
| 00:12.20 | pagefault | blah |
| 00:14.03 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9075 10motion/py/ (Graph/ExtraAlgorithms.py shuffle-interpolate.py): more implementation |
| 00:14.09 | file[laptop] | this rtp stack I'm using hates threads |
| 00:16.21 | scanlime | file: time to move back to Brunswick |
| 00:17.13 | file[laptop] | they renamed that to Old Brunswick |
| 00:17.34 | scanlime | ooh.. a critical blow to the former Brunswick Department of Tourism! |
| 00:18.08 | ChipX86 | great error dialogs on thedailywtf |
| 00:18.27 | scanlime | hmm |
| 00:18.34 | scanlime | numist's blog inspires me to make eggnog |
| 00:19.00 | scanlime | actually, MacGyver has that same effect on me |
| 00:19.07 | purple_cow | haha, parking garage regime |
| 00:19.12 | scanlime | uh oh |
| 00:19.13 | purple_cow | "are you sure the world needs a drink like this?" |
| 00:19.17 | scanlime | =D |
| 00:19.48 | ChipX86 | hahahaha |
| 00:20.09 | pagefault | I think my CO is overcrowded |
| 00:20.23 | ChipX86 | the second post on thedailywtf is great. That conditional for determining if it should write "Last Update" is wonderful |
| 00:20.52 | JeffM2501 | seriously purple_cow are they beating children in the head at the hospital these days? |
| 00:21.37 | scanlime | haha, I've actually seen that MPLAB error |
| 00:21.40 | scanlime | forget what triggered it |
| 00:22.45 | ChipX86 | this site makes me laugh so hard sometimes |
| 00:22.50 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: that sounds likely |
| 00:23.00 | kergoth | "Setting aside the complete lack of testing, while you read this English translation, try to imagine what code you would have to write to cause this to occur ..." |
| 00:23.01 | kergoth | BRUSSELS - The Dexia Bank ATM machines are expiriencing a curious problem. The machines stop functioning when someone enters the number 7, making it impossible for people with a 7 in their pin (personal identification number) code to perform a cash withdrawal. |
| 00:23.02 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 00:23.06 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 00:23.07 | kergoth | thats awesome |
| 00:23.15 | ChipX86 | I love the next post |
| 00:23.22 | ChipX86 | that's just scary |
| 00:24.07 | pagefault | what about debit |
| 00:24.08 | pagefault | hehe |
| 00:24.29 | ChipX86 | and in the next one, the developer obviously doesn't know how to put more than one condition into an if statement |
| 00:25.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:25.07 | ChipX86 | erm, or return statements |
| 00:25.11 | kergoth | god i love that site |
| 00:25.16 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 00:26.43 | scanlime | hmm, eggnog.. I wonder if my eggs are still good |
| 00:27.14 | pagefault | walmart is like the only place here that sells that year round |
| 00:27.49 | scanlime | buying egg nog is boring, I've done that lots of times. I'm curious about making it now. |
| 00:28.38 | purple_cow | hmm, speaking of making stuff |
| 00:28.45 | ChipX86 | if (sysobjs[curIdx * (0 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1) + (0 + 1 + 1)] == 0x0000004e - 0x00000032) |
| 00:29.20 | scanlime | ooh :) |
| 00:29.45 | scanlime | ChipX86: thank goodness for constant folding? |
| 00:30.03 | ChipX86 | yeah really |
| 00:30.17 | ChipX86 | the entire function consists of that over and over |
| 00:30.19 | purple_cow | at this point, what i'm thinking is pancetta laid down in a circle, with a blob of unsweetened pumpkin mousse on top and roasted apples around it :) |
| 00:30.47 | scanlime | hah, Biersuppe |
| 00:31.01 | purple_cow | beer soup? |
| 00:31.33 | scanlime | "The Germans make a eggnog or rather egg soup with beer (Biersuppe)." |
| 00:31.44 | pagefault | sounds good |
| 00:31.46 | purple_cow | those crazy germans |
| 00:31.50 | scanlime | yeah |
| 00:31.55 | pagefault | it has beer |
| 00:31.56 | scanlime | to purple_cow, not pagefault :P |
| 00:31.57 | pagefault | how could it be bad |
| 00:32.35 | scanlime | pagefault: from a purely technical standpoint, a lot of cups seen at american baseball stadiums 'have beer', but that doesn't make their contents worth drinking |
| 00:32.47 | pagefault | hmm thats true |
| 00:47.59 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzfs/commands.cxx): patch 1326240, Tell the admins when people attempt server password |
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| 01:02.23 | ChipX86 | kergoth: I have developed a deep hatred for the autocraft addon |
| 01:10.32 | file[lap1op] | I hate finding bugs in a library you're using |
| 01:10.35 | file[lap1op] | and then trying to figure them out |
| 01:11.39 | scanlime | it's only a matter of time before the ipod video turns into an ipod phone |
| 01:11.51 | purple_cow | time to bake myself some squash |
| 01:11.54 | scanlime | then an ipod videophone, ipod word processor, ipod terminal serivces |
| 01:12.01 | scanlime | ipod SQL |
| 01:12.08 | numist | gah, Pep Boys stole my money |
| 01:12.08 | ChipX86 | ipod gps! |
| 01:12.23 | scanlime | why can't I blog with my ipod? |
| 01:12.28 | scanlime | I can blog with everything else |
| 01:12.37 | scanlime | wait, I don't have an ipod |
| 01:12.41 | scanlime | I bet if I did, I could blog with it |
| 01:13.55 | scanlime | do ipods still just have usb and firewire interfaces? |
| 01:14.16 | scanlime | they'd be so much more useful with some kind of wireless- just keep them in your pocket, and any time you're near your PC they sync up |
| 01:14.23 | scanlime | or use them for streaming radio |
| 01:14.45 | scanlime | but bluetooth is too low-bandwidth for easy file transfer |
| 01:14.50 | scanlime | and 802.11 is still kinda heavyweight |
| 01:15.01 | scanlime | I bet they'll adopt wireless USB |
| 01:15.04 | numist | :) |
| 01:15.26 | scanlime | WUSB beats the pants off 802.11g bandwidth |
| 01:15.40 | scanlime | and it really supports the kind of usage models they would want, better than a network would |
| 01:37.57 | hardwire | wusb |
| 01:37.59 | hardwire | wusb |
| 01:38.04 | hardwire | ITS ALL YOU TALK ABOUT :) |
| 01:38.55 | hardwire | 480mbps? |
| 01:39.03 | scanlime | I've mentioned it twice in the last couple weeks... |
| 01:39.05 | scanlime | guess I don't talk much? |
| 01:39.09 | hardwire | jesus fucking christ. |
| 01:39.15 | hardwire | do we need a hug? |
| 01:39.23 | scanlime | YES WE DO, DAMNIT |
| 01:39.42 | hardwire | oh god. |
| 01:39.45 | scanlime | hehe |
| 01:39.47 | hardwire | this is gonna be tough to explain |
| 01:39.49 | hardwire | so |
| 01:39.49 | scanlime | take that, spine! |
| 01:39.55 | hardwire | wusb would be grat for VoIP phones :) |
| 01:39.59 | hardwire | grat! |
| 01:40.03 | scanlime | grat? |
| 01:40.12 | hardwire | actually I am guessing thats a primary product for wusb |
| 01:40.21 | scanlime | primary product? |
| 01:40.22 | hardwire | but.. wow.. 480mbps? |
| 01:40.29 | scanlime | I've never seen any wusb folks talking about voip :P |
| 01:40.39 | scanlime | all the demos I saw were mass storage devices |
| 01:40.46 | hardwire | scanlime: that would be odd |
| 01:40.59 | scanlime | yeah |
| 01:41.08 | hardwire | but if the chip is low power.. and fast.. then it would ideally targetted toward communication :) |
| 01:41.14 | hardwire | communication in most cases being a phone |
| 01:41.15 | scanlime | I still want to tunnel USB over bluetooth, so my cell phone can have a USB host controller ;) |
| 01:41.22 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:41.23 | file[laptop] | bloody hell |
| 01:41.27 | hardwire | file[laptop]: |
| 01:41.29 | file[laptop] | an agent tricked me |
| 01:41.31 | hardwire | do you need a hug? |
| 01:41.35 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 01:41.40 | scanlime | hardwire: haven't you learned to stop asking that yet? |
| 01:41.41 | purple_cow | "friends! help! a guinea pig tricked me! |
| 01:41.41 | file[laptop] | hold me hold me hug me hug me |
| 01:41.49 | hardwire | purple_cow: do you .. |
| 01:41.49 | hardwire | nm |
| 01:42.14 | scanlime | matmos messes with my head |
| 01:42.24 | hardwire | you know what messes with my head? |
| 01:42.28 | hardwire | almost everything :( |
| 01:42.49 | hardwire | have I told you guys I have 5 cats? |
| 01:42.50 | scanlime | even.. pepper spray? |
| 01:45.08 | hardwire | did you know that a cats spray can hit a wall at a height almost twice that of the cat. |
| 01:45.18 | hardwire | making the owner wonder who the fuck got drunk and peed on the wall. |
| 01:46.21 | hardwire | anyways.. I am not sure why this happened.. other than territory wars.. but I found 5 walls sprayed.. the nice cats food bowl sprayed and every 7-10 inches down the closet sliding mirror doors in 3 bedrooms were sprayed |
| 01:46.33 | hardwire | if I didn't live in alaska I would boot them all outside for a few months |
| 01:46.45 | hardwire | but whats the fascination with the mirrored sliding doors.. |
| 01:46.51 | hardwire | do they like to watch themselves spray? |
| 01:48.23 | hardwire | 2.6.13 here I come |
| 01:55.48 | hardwire | wow |
| 01:55.56 | hardwire | lots of fun unknown symbols in usb hid support |
| 01:56.38 | hardwire | nm |
| 01:56.42 | hardwire | in uhci_hcd |
| 01:56.45 | purple_cow | so apparently buying a pumpkin at safeway gets you a free "pumpkin spice latte" from starbucks |
| 01:56.57 | file[laptop] | O.o |
| 01:57.11 | hardwire | purple_cow: same up here |
| 01:57.18 | hardwire | but that doesn't mean I am going to like it |
| 01:57.18 | purple_cow | for a $2 pumpkin, that's gotta be like a $6 value |
| 01:57.26 | hardwire | http://pastebin.ca/25718 |
| 01:57.28 | hardwire | eww |
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| 02:14.35 | scanlime | purple_cow: is there a market for pumpkins and "pumpkin spice lattes" on ebay? if so, you could make some money |
| 02:14.57 | purple_cow | heh |
| 02:15.28 | scanlime | someone will buy it |
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| 02:17.06 | scanlime | pff, silly friends and their 'homework' |
| 02:18.22 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 02:18.23 | purple_cow | it's too late to ebay the pumpkin anyhoo |
| 02:18.27 | purple_cow | since it's currently in my oven |
| 02:18.30 | hardwire | this external sb live is sucking my ass |
| 02:18.32 | scanlime | oop |
| 02:18.40 | hardwire | griffen tech imic here I come. |
| 02:18.48 | ChipX86 | I'm having a difficult time getting a VM to talk to an NFS server on the host. It eventually works, but there's major timeouts |
| 02:18.54 | *** topic/#tacobeam by purple_cow -> And the fifth reason whales kill is for the sheer fun of it! |
| 02:19.03 | hardwire | err.. iMate |
| 02:22.37 | scanlime | hmm |
| 02:22.42 | scanlime | the Nokia 770's LCD is about DVD-resolution |
| 02:22.50 | ChipX86 | 800x400 |
| 02:22.57 | ChipX86 | they're neat little things to play with. Shame about the battery life |
| 02:23.05 | scanlime | how bad? |
| 02:23.32 | ChipX86 | about 3 hours of browsing time |
| 02:23.38 | scanlime | aw :( |
| 02:23.46 | scanlime | ooh.. it can also get internet access via bluetooth phones |
| 02:24.11 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 02:24.21 | scanlime | hm. it has RS-MMC, and it can play video |
| 02:24.53 | hardwire | hmm |
| 02:24.56 | hardwire | I want one |
| 02:25.23 | hardwire | I wonder how it deals w/ voip |
| 02:25.24 | hardwire | .. |
| 02:25.26 | hardwire | :) |
| 02:25.34 | scanlime | ChipX86: it needs one of those kinetic recharger widgets, like some watches have :) |
| 02:25.41 | hardwire | doh.. no ogg support |
| 02:25.56 | hardwire | whats SVG-tiny? |
| 02:26.10 | scanlime | SVGs under 64x64 pixels |
| 02:28.47 | scanlime | when am I gonna get a single-chip bluetooth and GPS core? Then maybe we can finally have little keychain-sized mobile GPS receivers |
| 02:31.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9076 10cia/doc/clients: Fix a broken external link |
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| 03:20.48 | purple_cow | yay |
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| 03:37.30 | purple_cow | mmm, toasted pumpkin seeds |
| 03:37.43 | purple_cow | it's been over 10 years, i think |
| 03:55.08 | KeyserSoze | make a jackolantern? |
| 03:55.16 | KeyserSoze | if so, /me wants pics :) |
| 03:56.16 | purple_cow | no, baked it for this week's experiments |
| 03:56.32 | KeyserSoze | baked the whole pumpkin? or just seeds? |
| 03:56.57 | purple_cow | cut, seeded, baked, then skinned & pureed |
| 03:57.23 | purple_cow | seeds i just did in the toaster oven, 'cuz i was feeling lazy at that particular moment |
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| 04:03.46 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9077 10motion/py/Graph/ExtraAlgorithms.py: yay simplicity |
| 04:03.53 | scanlime | purple_cow: making banana-apple pie then? :) |
| 04:03.58 | scanlime | out of pumpkin? |
| 04:05.14 | purple_cow | i'm not making pie at all... |
| 04:07.51 | scanlime | inconceivable! |
| 04:08.49 | purple_cow | yes yes |
| 04:09.09 | purple_cow | but a pumpkin pie isn't going to win a prize on slashfood |
| 04:13.14 | scanlime | pumpkin smoothie? |
| 04:13.20 | scanlime | oh right, the mousse |
| 04:13.29 | scanlime | this airline crap is scrambling my brain again |
| 04:13.46 | purple_cow | yeah, gonna experiment with mousses over the next few days |
| 04:13.51 | purple_cow | see if i can make anything edible |
| 04:14.14 | file[laptop] | airlines make no sense |
| 04:14.26 | scanlime | well, the prices are awful... |
| 04:14.33 | scanlime | but I'm hitting that same bug in frontier's ordering system |
| 04:14.55 | file[laptop] | it's cheaper for me to fly to Toronto, which is a province away then it is to fly to Montreal which is right beside New Brunswick |
| 04:15.12 | scanlime | file[laptop]: if wishes were horses we'd all be eatin steak |
| 04:15.19 | purple_cow | :) |
| 04:15.30 | file[laptop] | I'm not a fan of steak |
| 04:15.34 | file[laptop] | can I have the hamburger? |
| 04:15.46 | purple_cow | ever had a horse steak? |
| 04:16.00 | file[laptop] | I've had deer meat... that was long ago |
| 04:16.12 | purple_cow | are horses the same as deer? |
| 04:16.20 | file[laptop] | they might be |
| 04:16.39 | purple_cow | and how are you not a fan of steak? |
| 04:16.50 | purple_cow | when done properly, they're so great |
| 04:17.20 | scanlime | I like my meat in small doses, overshadowed by veggies, bread, and/or sauces :) |
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| 04:18.24 | file[laptop] | flying to Montreal just makes absolutely no sense |
| 04:19.17 | file[laptop] | screw it |
| 04:19.45 | file[laptop] | how was everyone's day? |
| 04:19.50 | numist | meh |
| 04:20.51 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9078 10motion/py/Graph/ExtraAlgorithms.py: add a helper to return all the matching paths |
| 04:29.43 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r257 10prototype/src/menu/ (Item.java Menu.java RingMenu.java): slight refactoring to make things a lot less fugly |
| 04:39.48 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r144 10numist.net/ (67 files in 2 dirs): no more bad fontage, new theme for testing |
| 04:48.53 | kergoth | blehh |
| 04:51.08 | scanlime | phone ordering is so much fun.. |
| 04:51.24 | scanlime | I'm glad I have so many minutes |
| 04:53.41 | scanlime | heh |
| 04:55.07 | scanlime | yay, all ordered |
| 04:55.09 | scanlime | that was expensive |
| 04:55.22 | scanlime | and the guy I got this time typed kinda slow :) |
| 05:00.07 | scanlime | hmm |
| 05:00.12 | Sophie197 | hey, do you guys know of an open-source equivallent to MS Access? |
| 05:00.36 | scanlime | Sophie197: SQL and a nice big lobotomy? |
| 05:00.59 | scanlime | TMBG is doing their cruel little trick again where they have almost completely disjoint setlists |
| 05:01.04 | Sophie197 | I'm in this stupid web programming cass |
| 05:01.07 | scanlime | I should prolly go both nights :P |
| 05:01.18 | Sophie197 | and we have to submit "participation items" |
| 05:01.23 | file[laptop] | now why did I open a Safari window... |
| 05:01.26 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/chess.avi |
| 05:01.28 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, they *do* have way too many songs |
| 05:01.41 | Sophie197 | so I thought I could just suggest an open-source app |
| 05:01.42 | scanlime | purple_cow: yea.. it just means I'm going to spend twice as much as I should on this ticket ;) |
| 05:01.48 | scanlime | but for twice the fun! |
| 05:01.52 | purple_cow | huh, the iron chef made a pumpkin mousse in this episode! |
| 05:01.55 | purple_cow | i'm not totally insane! |
| 05:01.58 | scanlime | hehe |
| 05:02.06 | Sophie197 | meh, nevermind. |
| 05:02.29 | purple_cow | ChipX86: :D |
| 05:02.36 | scanlime | so cute! |
| 05:02.44 | scanlime | silly ChipX86, rendering in 4:3 |
| 05:02.44 | purple_cow | ChipX86: it needs to compress a little before jumping up |
| 05:02.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:02.56 | CIA-5 | debian-kernel: 03micah * r4501 10/people/micah/pending_CVE_requests: Some updates |
| 05:02.58 | ChipX86 | scanlime: :P |
| 05:03.22 | scanlime | :) |
| 05:03.38 | file[laptop] | silly scanlime working on the debian kernel |
| 05:04.18 | scanlime | silly file[laptop] for letting his nice warm glass of STFU get cold |
| 05:05.54 | ChipX86 | scanlime: idiot in #vmware saying either we shoudl sell Workstation 3, or open source it |
| 05:06.12 | scanlime | why? |
| 05:06.23 | ChipX86 | because he wants to run it on Win98 |
| 05:06.32 | scanlime | old versions of active products aren't exactly abandonware... |
| 05:06.44 | scanlime | hah |
| 05:06.54 | scanlime | I didn't know vmware ever ran on win < NT |
| 05:07.15 | ChipX86 | I didn't either |
| 05:07.16 | KeyserSoze | wouldn't it be easier to run win98 on top of vmware, on top of a real OS? |
| 05:07.23 | scanlime | you'd think |
| 05:07.23 | ChipX86 | KeyserSoze: he wants Win98 |
| 05:08.05 | KeyserSoze | someone should explain to him that that's not really an operating system |
| 05:08.51 | scanlime | I'm genuinely surprised that ever worked |
| 05:09.02 | scanlime | that must have been way back before we had a lot of things that require NT... |
| 05:13.12 | scanlime | did win98 even have WDM? |
| 05:13.24 | KeyserSoze | weapons of mass destruction? |
| 05:13.45 | scanlime | no, these are weapons of driver implementation |
| 05:18.39 | scanlime | huh |
| 05:18.42 | scanlime | "18 & OVER; GENERAL ADMISSION; 2 DRINK MIN; NO CAMERAS/RECORDING DEVICES; LIMITED SEATING" |
| 05:18.50 | purple_cow | haha |
| 05:18.51 | scanlime | 18 and over.. 2 drink min? |
| 05:19.20 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:22.30 | scanlime | damn you, TMBG, for being so good and forcing me to spend $60 on tickets |
| 05:23.53 | kergoth | ooh, tmbg |
| 05:24.22 | scanlime | gonna drive to San Francisco for the show? :) |
| 05:24.31 | kergoth | long drive |
| 05:24.39 | scanlime | you could take the train |
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| 05:35.05 | laodamas | rumor has it, god is a llama, or real unless declared integer |
| 05:36.55 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:39.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:45.42 | laodamas | nebulous toast? |
| 05:45.52 | scanlime | not really |
| 05:45.53 | lurgy | mm |
| 05:45.55 | lurgy | blissful |
| 05:47.55 | scanlime | oh.. I should do laundry |
| 05:47.56 | scanlime | blah |
| 05:51.26 | lurgy | dreading? |
| 05:51.32 | lurgy | heh |
| 05:51.39 | purple_cow | so i bought a pumpkin at safeway, right |
| 05:51.50 | purple_cow | and i get a coupon for a free "pumpkin spice latte" from their starbucks |
| 05:51.58 | lurgy | hahaha |
| 05:52.02 | purple_cow | with the subtitle "A patch full of pumpkiny flavor." |
| 05:52.16 | lurgy | hehe |
| 05:52.23 | lurgy | that's awesome |
| 05:53.07 | laodamas | purple_cow: You should make a pumpkin pizza |
| 05:54.30 | scanlime | purple_cow: you should get one, then return it if you don't like it |
| 05:54.45 | purple_cow | hah |
| 05:55.09 | scanlime | when you ask for a refund, you could tell them you want your coupon back |
| 05:56.49 | kergoth | !emulate dib |
| 05:56.57 | kergoth | ~emulate dib |
| 05:56.58 | jbot | See Gaz, to defeat my enemy I must study my enemy, then become my enemy, then move in with my enemy, then wear my enemies clothes, then... |
| 05:57.11 | lurgy | hehe |
| 05:57.11 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:57.14 | lurgy | it's billy the kid |
| 05:57.18 | lurgy | go billy go |
| 05:58.49 | scanlime | awwww |
| 05:59.00 | scanlime | I missed an iNote |
| 05:59.28 | ChipX86 | a what? |
| 05:59.48 | scanlime | apple keynote was a few days ago |
| 05:59.52 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 06:00.02 | scanlime | I could have gone to San Jose, at the *real* keynote, and clapped at inappropriate times! |
| 06:00.35 | lurgy | "WOOOOOOOO!!! GO STEVE!!" |
| 06:00.58 | lurgy | and so forth? |
| 06:01.20 | laodamas | This just in: Steve Jobs is a big attention whore |
| 06:01.25 | ChipX86 | http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005480080,00.html |
| 06:01.31 | scanlime | oof... the starting price on their new iG5mac or whatever is cheaper than my TV was, but not by much |
| 06:02.25 | laodamas | eek, steve has another iNote in NYC on the 19th |
| 06:04.39 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:05.00 | scanlime | I want an iPod G5 |
| 06:05.19 | scanlime | they must be scheming some use for the G5 after they switch their desktop machines to x86 |
| 06:05.34 | laodamas | I want an iPowerPippen |
| 06:06.05 | scanlime | apple should start making USB flash disks, since not enough companies already make those |
| 06:06.24 | scanlime | er.. I guess they do already |
| 06:06.29 | scanlime | they just happen to play MP3s too |
| 06:06.44 | laodamas | and video |
| 06:06.57 | scanlime | well, I was thinking about the ipod shuffle |
| 06:07.03 | scanlime | unless they have a video player that uses flash :P |
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| 06:07.35 | scanlime | http://www.apple.com/imac/isight.html |
| 06:07.35 | scanlime | guh |
| 06:08.00 | scanlime | didn't Sony already teach the world that computers with built-in cameras are silly? |
| 06:08.29 | scanlime | I wonder if it's still a firewire device |
| 06:09.27 | laodamas | That was because people only used them to play those silly bundled camera games |
| 06:10.40 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:11.03 | scanlime | well, with the state of cable internet these days there really isn't enough upstream bandwidth in most peoples' homes for decent video chat |
| 06:11.45 | scanlime | it works pretty well, admittedly- I've tried it with my parents, and with Jen- but it's still postage stamp quality vide |
| 06:11.47 | scanlime | +o |
| 06:13.15 | scanlime | wonder if IBM laptops have built-in bluetooth yet... |
| 06:13.41 | lurgy | right next to the self-destruct button |
| 06:13.54 | purple_cow | scanlime: a lot of them at least have an option for built-in bluetooth |
| 06:14.12 | purple_cow | i don't have it, but my laptop has an internal port for an adaptor |
| 06:14.19 | scanlime | ah, that's cute |
| 06:14.25 | scanlime | hm |
| 06:14.34 | scanlime | I should really open up my laptop and try to fix the power plug |
| 06:14.45 | scanlime | I have to fiddle with it more and more before it will stay connected |
| 06:16.49 | purple_cow | teehee, snow white and the 6 gnomes |
| 06:16.57 | lurgy | heh |
| 06:17.14 | scanlime | hah, fingerprint reader.. I remember Chris mentioning these |
| 06:17.20 | scanlime | he said they're USB |
| 06:17.25 | scanlime | so of course we need some to test with VMware ;) |
| 06:18.25 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 06:18.29 | scanlime | purple_cow: which one is yours? |
| 06:19.28 | scanlime | this X40 looks cute |
| 06:20.12 | purple_cow | i have an x40 |
| 06:21.46 | scanlime | mmm |
| 06:21.50 | scanlime | yow, they charge a lot for RAM |
| 06:25.19 | scanlime | yep. Someday I'll have a laptop with working power management |
| 06:25.42 | scanlime | not that this laptop has any battery power worth managing... |
| 06:26.49 | numist | mine lasts about a minute and a half, and then dies without warning |
| 06:26.55 | numist | my old lappy, at least |
| 06:41.09 | scanlime | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000193062973/ |
| 06:41.10 | scanlime | weird |
| 06:42.09 | scanlime | it's kinda nice seeing Series 60 devices with higher resolution displays |
| 06:43.15 | purple_cow | that E70 is crazy |
| 06:45.45 | scanlime | kinda :) |
| 06:45.56 | scanlime | wonder how well that works in practise |
| 06:46.46 | scanlime | I'm still not sure I trust nokia with moving parts.. though it's a lot less crazy-looking than kergoth's phone ;) |
| 06:47.26 | scanlime | the E61 is too much like the treo... |
| 06:47.33 | scanlime | I don't want a super-tiny qwerty keyboard |
| 06:47.47 | scanlime | when I'm not doing much typing (hopefully most of the time) 10-digit predictive text entry is plenty |
| 06:47.57 | scanlime | and if I'm doing a lot of typing, a tiny QWERTY isn't going to help much anyway |
| 06:49.16 | rioter | scanlime nokia is pretty good with its moving parts, specially on the 8800 |
| 06:49.39 | rioter | and their 9xxx phones |
| 06:50.51 | rioter | how is the US's 3g network? |
| 06:51.10 | scanlime | http://www.europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,73229,00.html |
| 06:51.12 | scanlime | that's cute |
| 06:51.16 | scanlime | the US has a 3G network? :P |
| 06:51.42 | rioter | haha wow, i assumed you would |
| 06:52.06 | scanlime | Cingular has some limited 3G rollout.. and there's EDGE in places |
| 06:52.18 | scanlime | but nah, for the most part you're stuck with GPRS rates |
| 06:52.23 | rioter | but it took you ages to pick up gsm as well |
| 06:52.31 | rioter | so thats not supprising |
| 06:52.31 | scanlime | uhhuh |
| 06:52.37 | scanlime | phones (like most portable-fu) suck in the US |
| 06:53.32 | rioter | there is one big 3g provider in australia has decent coverage pretty much everywhere and a roaming contract with telstra when not avalible, and optus one of australia's biggest gsm providers is starting its rollout |
| 06:54.11 | scanlime | how are the prices for a pretty generous voice plan and unlimited data? |
| 06:55.42 | scanlime | after all the stupid government taxes and such, I pay about $52/month for 1000 minutes and unlimited GPRS |
| 06:55.44 | scanlime | with t-mobile |
| 06:55.50 | scanlime | coverage is good |
| 06:55.59 | scanlime | quality is okay, not great |
| 06:56.04 | rioter | um |
| 06:56.10 | rioter | gprs is still fairly expensive |
| 06:56.22 | scanlime | well, usually it is here too :) |
| 06:56.28 | scanlime | I'm just exploiting a t-mobile loophole |
| 06:56.38 | rioter | vodaphone has a 49$ a month plan for unlimited gprs |
| 06:56.41 | rioter | but no voice or sms |
| 06:56.53 | rioter | but it does come with a free gsm modem :) |
| 06:56.55 | scanlime | you can pay $5/month for WAP, but it's really just GPRS with a bunch of ports filtered |
| 06:57.02 | rioter | so you can use it on your laptop |
| 06:57.06 | scanlime | yeah, verizon (I think) has something similar to that |
| 06:57.10 | scanlime | similar price |
| 06:57.20 | rioter | does it do html? |
| 06:57.27 | scanlime | uh, the phone or the service? |
| 06:57.32 | scanlime | my current phone *tries* to do HTML... |
| 06:57.40 | rioter | the service you pay for |
| 06:57.51 | scanlime | well, it normally does HTML through their WAP proxy |
| 06:58.03 | scanlime | but it's just TCP/IP with ports blocked |
| 06:58.08 | rioter | ah ok |
| 06:58.10 | scanlime | so you can use the GPRS connection for whatever you want |
| 06:58.13 | scanlime | you just need a proxy |
| 06:58.15 | scanlime | I run one on flapjack |
| 06:58.19 | rioter | http proxy |
| 06:58.26 | rioter | same way i got around the vodaphone block |
| 06:58.30 | scanlime | nod |
| 06:58.41 | scanlime | and I can do SSH as long as it's on a weird port |
| 06:58.53 | purple_cow | ok, time to try and make a mousse |
| 06:58.54 | rioter | vodaphone for some odd reason will let you use gprs on a sim that hasnt been activated on their network |
| 06:59.16 | scanlime | odd |
| 06:59.28 | rioter | but only "WAP" which in your case is just gprs |
| 06:59.33 | scanlime | so do those GPRS PCMCIA cards have a SIM slot? I assume they have to, but I've never seen one up close |
| 06:59.35 | rioter | so i set up a http proxy and i was fine |
| 06:59.40 | rioter | scanlime yeah they do |
| 06:59.42 | scanlime | yeah |
| 06:59.48 | scanlime | same as the t-mobile plan then |
| 06:59.51 | rioter | another odd thing though |
| 07:00.10 | rioter | if i use bluetooth and set up my phone to act as a modem i could access any port |
| 07:00.13 | scanlime | they actually give you some kind of GPRS connection without even the $5/month.. but as far as I could tell, it would only access their internal sites that let you buy games |
| 07:01.01 | scanlime | huh. did you pick a different access point than the phone uses by default? |
| 07:01.14 | rioter | nope |
| 07:02.01 | scanlime | I only wish I could get UDP through this the way it's set up now |
| 07:02.18 | scanlime | I'd love to try out that file transfer protocol I developed while at spacegrant |
| 07:02.27 | scanlime | good for high-latency high-packet loss links |
| 07:02.29 | scanlime | i.e. radio |
| 07:02.49 | scanlime | developed it to squeeze some extra performance out of our 9600 baud ham radio link, but it should rock on a phone |
| 07:02.55 | rioter | heh not something you usually associate with udp |
| 07:02.55 | scanlime | alas, it needs UDP |
| 07:03.00 | scanlime | hm? |
| 07:03.12 | rioter | udp over a high packet loss link isnt really a good thing |
| 07:03.21 | scanlime | sure it can be |
| 07:03.49 | scanlime | my protocol is similar to TCP, but with an infinite window size |
| 07:04.13 | scanlime | the receiving end streams packet requests to the transmitting end, the transmitting end answers those requests with chunks of the file you're downloading |
| 07:04.23 | scanlime | the receiving end maintains a queue of file blocks it needs |
| 07:04.39 | scanlime | the blocks eventually time out, but it never has to pause- in the mean time, it will be downloading other parts of the file |
| 07:04.59 | scanlime | so in practise you'll see it scan the file multiple times, picking up packets that were previously dropped during each pass |
| 07:05.11 | numist | clever |
| 07:05.15 | scanlime | assuming you have a full-duplex link, it's really efficient |
| 07:05.20 | rioter | mmm how effective is that for larger files? wouldnt there need to be a fair amount of the file in memory on both ends? |
| 07:05.49 | scanlime | that's what the "infinite window size" is all about. It assumes that you have everything on disk, or that the file is small enough to fit in RAM |
| 07:06.22 | scanlime | normally you keep the file itself on disk, but you still need to keep the download queue resident in RAM |
| 07:06.42 | scanlime | it wouldn't be hard to swap that to disk if you need to though, it's just a FIFO |
| 07:06.55 | rioter | dont see why nfs didnt implment something like that for its udp implementation |
| 07:07.08 | scanlime | because applications expect reads to happen in order |
| 07:07.20 | scanlime | same reason TCP doesn't use this strategy by default |
| 07:07.43 | scanlime | TCP actually uses something similar, but the amount the receiver can lag behind the transmitter due to packet loss is limited- that's the window size |
| 07:08.29 | rioter | but nfs servers wont write to disk until the client sends a comfirmation, so i cant see why it couldnt be sent out of order but meh they have tcp for that i guess |
| 07:08.50 | scanlime | right |
| 07:09.00 | scanlime | TCP solves the problem it was designed to solve very well |
| 07:09.18 | scanlime | file transfer just isn't quite a perfect match for that problem |
| 07:09.45 | rioter | heh |
| 07:09.58 | numist | IRC is though, as lurgy has just demonstrated |
| 07:12.07 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:12.10 | scanlime | how did you whip it last time? |
| 07:12.20 | purple_cow | electric mixer |
| 07:12.28 | scanlime | ooh.. you've turned to the dark side of mixing |
| 07:12.48 | scanlime | numist: I was surprised how easy eggnog appears to be |
| 07:12.50 | purple_cow | i always was on the dark side of mixing |
| 07:12.55 | purple_cow | except when rich broke my mixer |
| 07:12.56 | scanlime | aw |
| 07:13.01 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:13.07 | rioter | how does one break a mixer? |
| 07:13.28 | purple_cow | he kept it on in ice cream for 15 minutes |
| 07:13.30 | purple_cow | burnt out the motor |
| 07:13.46 | scanlime | ice cream? |
| 07:13.48 | numist | it was surprisingly close to the store-variety for a first attempt |
| 07:13.49 | rioter | heh, would assume the friction would build up heat and melt the ice cream |
| 07:13.51 | scanlime | I thought he was crushing ice with it |
| 07:14.20 | scanlime | they just need to build those things with dremel motors |
| 07:14.35 | scanlime | my dremel takes a lot of abuse.. you can tell its bearings are getting old, but it still works great |
| 07:14.35 | purple_cow | dremel motors have no torque :P |
| 07:14.39 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:14.43 | scanlime | overrated! |
| 07:14.57 | purple_cow | anyhow |
| 07:15.01 | purple_cow | this whipped cream is a workout |
| 07:15.30 | rioter | my mum used to have this cup with a plastic star shaped thing that fit in the top between the cup and the lid |
| 07:15.41 | rioter | that would whip cream pretty fast, was supprising |
| 07:16.39 | purple_cow | i'm only doing a few tablespoons of cream for tonight's attempt |
| 07:16.46 | purple_cow | if i was doing the whole cup there's no way i'd do it by hand :) |
| 07:17.17 | scanlime | what the heck.. cingular's data rates confuse me. They charge more for data to canada, or international data? |
| 07:19.06 | rioter | come to australia where local data used to(could still but read some where that they were forced to change it) cost more than international data |
| 07:23.18 | scanlime | hmm |
| 07:23.40 | scanlime | purple_cow: so mousse is just cooked fruit (or something?) mixed with whipped cream? |
| 07:24.11 | purple_cow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousse |
| 07:24.27 | scanlime | heh, I was just on my way there :) |
| 07:24.41 | purple_cow | there's a lot of variation though. some are cooked, some aren't, some use only yolks, some whites, etc |
| 07:25.28 | purple_cow | i'm not doing this as a dessert, so i'm not sweetening it at all |
| 07:25.28 | scanlime | fun |
| 07:25.49 | scanlime | I have to admit I'm not sure what pumpkin tastes like alone.. just in pie form |
| 07:25.56 | scanlime | so I'm having trouble picturing that in a mousse |
| 07:26.01 | purple_cow | i have a feeling that tonight is going to be a total disaster |
| 07:26.04 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:26.33 | purple_cow | hopefully by the great pumpkin day, i'll have worked it out |
| 07:26.33 | numist | haha, I want to see a blog on it |
| 07:26.33 | purple_cow | numist: yessir |
| 07:26.33 | numist | :D |
| 07:27.55 | scanlime | oh how I love t-mobile's prices |
| 07:28.59 | scanlime | before I got cable internet I was using that as my primary internet connection.. did something like a 30MB upload over GPRS |
| 07:29.05 | scanlime | took a couple days |
| 07:29.43 | scanlime | I don't want to think about how much verizon would have charged for shenanigans like that |
| 07:30.39 | numist | I know what I would have been charged :) |
| 07:36.27 | scanlime | how much? :P |
| 07:36.49 | numist | nothing :) |
| 07:36.56 | numist | we've had this conversation before though |
| 07:36.59 | scanlime | oh, that's handy :P |
| 07:37.01 | scanlime | heh |
| 07:37.03 | scanlime | probably |
| 07:37.13 | numist | I get unlimited usage - yay usb modems :) |
| 07:37.18 | scanlime | I should catch my laundry before it runs away, then get some sleep |
| 07:37.21 | scanlime | USB modems? |
| 07:37.36 | numist | the phone acts like a usb modem to the computer's OS |
| 07:37.39 | scanlime | you found a standalone GPRS modem for USB, or are you just using your phone? |
| 07:37.40 | scanlime | oh. yes |
| 07:37.42 | numist | dial #777 and your done |
| 07:38.00 | scanlime | 777? Isn't the standard number something like *99#? |
| 07:38.23 | numist | sprint is #777, I dont think/know that there is a standard at all |
| 07:38.34 | numist | probably a per-carrier thing |
| 07:38.48 | scanlime | AFAIK all the GPRS stuff is part of the GSM standard extensions for the AT command set |
| 07:38.52 | numist | hmm |
| 07:38.53 | scanlime | the only thing per-carrier is the access point name |
| 07:38.56 | scanlime | usually |
| 07:39.14 | numist | well.. I use #777, so maybe mine is fake, but I still get my connectivity, and I use it a lot, so I stay happy |
| 07:39.22 | scanlime | :) |
| 07:39.33 | scanlime | I used to use mine a lot, but lately I've been leaving my laptop at home |
| 07:39.50 | numist | see, my laptop is also my workstation at work, so it's always with me |
| 07:39.55 | scanlime | ah |
| 07:40.14 | scanlime | yeah... I've been just SSH'ing right from the phone a lot, since I always have it with me and almost never lug around my laptop |
| 07:40.20 | numist | in a startup, you make the most of what you have -- no compile station for me yet |
| 07:40.24 | scanlime | my laptop's basically my primary desktop at home right now |
| 07:40.42 | numist | it would be nice to find a putty or something for my phone... irc on my phone would be leet |
| 07:40.49 | scanlime | MidpSSH isn't bad |
| 07:40.56 | scanlime | it'll run on pretty much any java phone |
| 07:41.04 | numist | I was going to say.. I'm limited to java |
| 07:41.26 | scanlime | it has its quirks, but it's kinda usable |
| 07:41.35 | scanlime | I'm looking forward to having a real port of Putty on the new phone |
| 07:41.51 | numist | I'm going to have to do some research for my next phone... |
| 07:44.23 | numist | 111KB? |
| 07:44.25 | scanlime | it'll be weird having a phone with 512MB :) |
| 07:44.27 | numist | woof thats pretty big |
| 07:44.45 | rioter | my phone has 512mb :P |
| 07:45.05 | scanlime | rioter: megabytes are smaller in australia, nobody cares |
| 07:45.20 | rioter | n90 has a 4gig flashdrive |
| 07:45.33 | scanlime | gigabytes are even smaller yet! |
| 07:45.53 | scanlime | I can fit 4 of your australian gigabytes in one of my genuine US megabytes! |
| 07:46.14 | numist | it wont work -- some sort of mismatch on the data file |
| 07:46.15 | numist | :( |
| 07:46.27 | rioter | but that wouldnt work, all the bits would be up side down |
| 07:46.49 | scanlime | rioter: zeroes and ones look the same upside down |
| 07:46.55 | rioter | 1 doesnt |
| 07:47.04 | scanlime | I don't know how you silly australians write 1s |
| 07:47.18 | scanlime | here in Amerika they look just like lowercase Ls |
| 07:47.20 | rioter | see there it is wearing half a hat but if it were to be upside down, it would be wearing 1 shoe |
| 07:47.47 | scanlime | you're also not allowed to put slashes through your zeroes here |
| 07:47.55 | scanlime | they have you hanged and tried for it |
| 07:47.57 | numist | silly person.. I write ones like | |
| 07:48.06 | rioter | they hang you then try you? |
| 07:48.12 | numist | scanlime: not necessarily in that order? |
| 07:48.25 | scanlime | I said what I meant. |
| 07:48.38 | numist | tough crowd, the US is |
| 07:49.07 | scanlime | only engineers slash their zeroes, and obviously engineers are all witches which must be burned (then tried) at the stake |
| 07:49.35 | scanlime | burning is just a metaphor for hanging |
| 07:49.50 | numist | they get tried at the stake too? |
| 07:49.54 | purple_cow | yay, done for tonight |
| 07:50.13 | scanlime | numist: yes... you're picking up on my subtle humor :P |
| 07:50.41 | scanlime | purple_cow: pictures! |
| 07:50.45 | numist | :) |
| 07:50.46 | scanlime | I wanna see your pumpkin-goo |
| 07:50.50 | numist | did it work? |
| 07:53.24 | purple_cow | maybe. won't know until tomorrow |
| 07:53.33 | numist | aww |
| 07:53.48 | purple_cow | i don't think it's a *total* disaster though. the goo tasted good |
| 07:53.53 | numist | good :) |
| 07:54.02 | numist | pumkinny mousse... thats a new one |
| 07:54.34 | purple_cow | actually, not really |
| 07:54.49 | purple_cow | apparently pumpkin mousse as a dessert is a pretty common diet substitute for pumpkin pie |
| 07:54.59 | purple_cow | 'course, i'm not making a dessert :) |
| 07:55.52 | numist | this is a main course item suddenly? |
| 07:56.14 | purple_cow | i'm working towards an appetizer for the pumpkin day |
| 07:56.23 | numist | thats a pretty heavy appetizer |
| 07:56.37 | purple_cow | pumpkin mousse with pancetta and roasted apples, probably |
| 07:57.10 | scanlime | :) |
| 07:57.19 | scanlime | hmm.. is it kosher to name a program "mocha" that isn't written in java? |
| 07:57.26 | purple_cow | maybe with some capers? who knows |
| 07:57.29 | purple_cow | still working it out in my head |
| 07:57.33 | numist | I'd say it's preferred, scanlime |
| 07:57.35 | purple_cow | scanlime: certainly |
| 07:57.42 | numist | using java would be too obvious |
| 07:57.47 | purple_cow | yes, if it was written in java and you named it mocha, i'd have to stab you |
| 07:57.48 | scanlime | "mocha" coins pretty nicely from "mobile chat" |
| 07:58.05 | numist | it does -- what are you making? |
| 07:58.20 | purple_cow | do an xchat frontend! |
| 07:58.20 | scanlime | oh, I've just still got ideas floating around about how to (ab)use the Python for Series 60 |
| 07:58.27 | numist | ah hah |
| 07:58.43 | scanlime | I want an IRC + AIM + blogging frontend that is optimized for wireless use |
| 07:58.45 | numist | wow I'm very tired.. I need to crash |
| 07:58.52 | numist | write it in AJAX |
| 07:59.05 | scanlime | everything I've seen takes a long time to connect, only lets you do one thing.. |
| 07:59.06 | numist | web-based frontends are the wave of the future |
| 07:59.14 | purple_cow | haha, blogging? |
| 07:59.23 | scanlime | I want something that, at a glance, tells me if someone's trying to bother me |
| 07:59.31 | numist | hey, that would be handy |
| 07:59.43 | scanlime | I want somethign that lets me post a picture from a gallery, then simultaneously sticks links in my blog or IRC :) |
| 07:59.46 | numist | I wonder if I can set up something that just checks an rss feed and pesters me via my phone |
| 07:59.58 | scanlime | RSS polling evil! |
| 08:00.03 | scanlime | publish/subscribe good! |
| 08:00.10 | numist | ok ok fine, some method of communication though |
| 08:00.48 | numist | anywho, I need to get to sleep, the ideas Im coming up with don't make any sense when I try to think them through |
| 08:00.49 | scanlime | I'll have to see how far I can push GPRS to do efficient pub/sub for RSS, IRC, and AIM messages |
| 08:01.00 | scanlime | ideally you'd just have the phone listening on a socket for incoming connections |
| 08:01.08 | numist | hah |
| 08:01.09 | scanlime | but that doesn't work with t-mobile, and probably not with many providers |
| 08:01.21 | rioter | i should probably look into AJAX im sure its going to be worth an extra 5k on a pay packet soon just like xml |
| 08:01.52 | numist | xml is worth $5k on a pay packet? |
| 08:01.53 | scanlime | the obvious solution is to have it keep an outgoing socket open and wait for data to be pushed from the server.. but I'm not sure how efficient that is over GPRS |
| 08:01.58 | numist | I'm not getting paid nearly enough |
| 08:01.58 | scanlime | need to understand the protocol better |
| 08:02.20 | numist | well.. keep me posted, scanlime -- sounds like fun |
| 08:02.27 | scanlime | phones need presence |
| 08:02.42 | scanlime | I know I've seen some business phones that do it... but where's galago on my phone? |
| 08:02.57 | scanlime | it'd be great to have a contact list that shows you who's busy, at work, looking for someone to talk to... |
| 08:03.03 | rioter | my phone does it |
| 08:03.09 | scanlime | does it actually work? |
| 08:03.15 | rioter | heh thats the thing |
| 08:03.24 | rioter | no one i know has a phone with it |
| 08:03.28 | scanlime | I mean, you need friends whose phone supports it |
| 08:03.30 | rioter | so i havent been able to test it out |
| 08:03.36 | scanlime | so yeah, it needs to just be an app you can install anywhere |
| 08:03.55 | scanlime | preferably with a standard protocol so people can exchange data across different OSes easily |
| 08:03.59 | rioter | im sure you could implment it in userspace using java |
| 08:04.07 | scanlime | why don't they just use the IM buddylist for that? |
| 08:04.13 | purple_cow | argh |
| 08:06.04 | rioter | im sure the protocall wouldnt be to hard to reverse, as it connects to a server just server responses might be a different matter |
| 08:08.28 | scanlime | rioter: that was a completely useless statement :P |
| 08:08.52 | rioter | scanlime yeah i realised as i hit enter |
| 08:09.13 | rioter | i think all my brain matter is being used to create this headache atm |
| 08:09.29 | scanlime | do you even know what the transport is? if it's GPRS maybe there's a way to tap into it from the internet, but it's probably something lower-level |
| 08:09.32 | scanlime | ew, headache |
| 08:09.56 | scanlime | ok.. I should sleep. If I can wake up earlyish, I can maybe make it an early work day and get home in time to get my package before the office closes |
| 08:10.20 | rioter | well the default server is an IP so yeah |
| 08:26.59 | purple_cow | yay, posted |
| 11:36.17 | Veight | hello |
| 11:40.10 | rioter | hi |
| 14:07.51 | orchid | ooh pumpkin mousse |
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| 15:41.47 | scanlime | hrm, that didn't work as well as I hoped |
| 15:41.51 | Cae | heh |
| 15:42.13 | Cae | ah. |
| 15:42.41 | scanlime | might have to wait until tomorrow morning to pick up my phone |
| 15:43.22 | scanlime | or I guess I could leave work for an hour or so to come back to my apartment and pick it up before the office closes :P |
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| 15:56.18 | Cae | hey dan |
| 16:02.52 | lurgy | hi megan |
| 16:03.29 | Cae | how goes? |
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| 16:42.15 | ChipX86 | huh. The VNC window has a maximum width that's just slightly less than my total display width :( |
| 17:10.59 | numist | ChipX86: dont say that name... thats what happened to freenode friday |
| 17:13.33 | ChipX86 | what name? |
| 17:13.38 | numist | groggles |
| 17:13.44 | ChipX86 | groggles? |
| 17:14.05 | numist | yeah, he got socially engineered and someone using his oline password caused some havoc on the network friday |
| 17:14.14 | ChipX86 | oh fun |
| 17:14.17 | ChipX86 | I don't even know who groggles is |
| 17:14.17 | numist | dunno if any of you were in #debian, #gentoo, #wikipedia, or the like |
| 17:14.29 | numist | I didnt even know he was an oper until yesterday |
| 17:14.33 | file | can't say I was |
| 17:14.35 | ChipX86 | "groggles awake" == "groggily waking up" |
| 17:14.36 | numist | I think he owns one of the servers or sommat |
| 17:14.38 | numist | hehe |
| 17:14.43 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/VC71/ (client.ico client.rc client.vcproj): an icon |
| 17:27.31 | Cae | groggles awake. I like that. |
| 17:30.02 | scanlime | yeah :) |
| 17:37.51 | Cae | http://www.thefrown.com/player.php?/frowners/becomerepublican |
| 17:37.58 | Cae | it's worth it :) |
| 17:45.25 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (VC71/client.vcproj inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/menus.cpp): stub for game part of client |
| 17:45.47 | numist | sweet, republicans are awesome |
| 17:45.54 | Cae | indeedy |
| 17:46.12 | Cae | I demand drugs to lower my IQ before becoming one though. |
| 17:46.29 | numist | that can be arranged -- as long as you also vote based on religious lines |
| 17:47.17 | Cae | hmm..I may need a lobotomy for that. |
| 17:47.49 | numist | for the horde |
| 17:50.07 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9079 10motion/py/Dance/Sequence.py: Not importing Motion makes it hard to use that module. |
| 17:52.11 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/Makefile: nix add for client file ( maybe ) |
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| 17:58.39 | numist | moin hardwire |
| 18:02.21 | hardwire | mornin |
| 18:05.20 | scanlime | woo |
| 18:05.55 | scanlime | plug in my USB device with it capturing, and I get a list of all the registry keys windows has crap cached at :) |
| 18:06.18 | scanlime | maybe I'll actually get my windows machine working without a reinstall |
| 18:07.49 | hardwire | I hate suspending |
| 18:07.53 | hardwire | it never ever ever works |
| 18:08.04 | hardwire | 3 laptops.. never worked on any of them.. |
| 18:08.21 | numist | suspend worked flawlessly on only two laptops I owned |
| 18:08.24 | numist | both powerbooks |
| 18:08.34 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:08.40 | hardwire | powerbooks lock down their hardware |
| 18:08.54 | hardwire | I on the other hand have these exotic things.. like 3d accellerators and such :) |
| 18:09.09 | numist | which macs dont have >_> |
| 18:13.14 | scanlime | goddamnit |
| 18:13.16 | scanlime | http://www.sourcequest.com/modsContent.htm |
| 18:13.19 | scanlime | why, microsoft, why |
| 18:13.26 | scanlime | weren't there enough useless USB descriptors already? |
| 18:15.16 | scanlime | pretty quiet around here.. |
| 18:15.22 | scanlime | lotsa people gone to VMworld this week |
| 18:15.32 | numist | sorry, had to put my rear window up... gonna rain soonish |
| 18:15.41 | numist | oh, at work you mean |
| 18:15.59 | scanlime | yeah |
| 18:16.12 | scanlime | unless all of you are gone to VMworld too :P |
| 18:17.28 | numist | I wonder -- why not buy a treo for my next phone |
| 18:19.09 | scanlime | 'cuz holding a PDA up to your ear is almost as silly as PalmOS |
| 18:19.31 | numist | hey now, PalmOS is better than the alternative |
| 18:19.37 | scanlime | and I already gave my rant on tiny-QWERTY keyboards ;) |
| 18:19.43 | numist | pocket pc makes me wince |
| 18:19.44 | scanlime | 'the' alternative? there are a few... |
| 18:19.49 | numist | nah, I'd use graffiti :) |
| 18:20.07 | scanlime | I don't think the treo has a graffiti area |
| 18:20.35 | numist | Ill have to check next time I see mooneer.. thought it did |
| 18:20.48 | scanlime | the keyboard is where the graffiti area usually is, IIRC |
| 18:20.51 | numist | hrm |
| 18:20.58 | numist | you're right, it doesnt have graffiti |
| 18:21.14 | scanlime | you might be able to convince it to do graffiti on the screen, but that would scratch it up quite a bit... I wore a hole practically straight through the graffiti pad on my Palm III in high school |
| 18:21.22 | numist | still, tinyqwerty is better than typing with a numpad |
| 18:21.27 | scanlime | I disagree :) |
| 18:21.30 | scanlime | after having used both |
| 18:21.57 | numist | T9 Word is nice, and I do use it, and I've used tinyqwerty, and maybe the learning isnt good on my T9 Word, but I liked the keyboard better |
| 18:21.58 | hardwire | scanlime: I am going to have to pull together some funding and create a wireless usb phone. |
| 18:22.05 | hardwire | cause thats just neat. |
| 18:22.20 | scanlime | hardwire: you'll need to pull together a lot of funding to get anything wireless USB :P |
| 18:22.27 | numist | hardwire: what exactly do you do for a living where you can just hack up a wusb phone? |
| 18:22.42 | scanlime | hardwire: I should have taken some pictures of the dev boards.. these things are seriously large piles of FPGAs and DSPs |
| 18:22.58 | hardwire | numist: I work. ? |
| 18:23.09 | numist | psht |
| 18:23.11 | scanlime | numist: he doesn't know what he's talking about :P |
| 18:23.11 | hardwire | scanlime: so not really all that teeny weeny yet. |
| 18:23.21 | scanlime | hardwire: they're prototypes. Very large, very not-cheap |
| 18:23.24 | hardwire | scanlime: just like most things.. given time I will. |
| 18:23.26 | scanlime | hardwire: wait a few years |
| 18:23.43 | numist | a wusb phone would be leet.. I dont want a bluetooth phone |
| 18:26.13 | scanlime | sigh... |
| 18:26.27 | scanlime | wusb and bluetooth have very different connection models |
| 18:26.29 | hardwire | heh. |
| 18:26.54 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9080 10motion/py/Motion/motion.c: |
| 18:26.54 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Implemented the set attr function. It's a bit sloppy right now, but functional. |
| 18:26.54 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Gonna try and clean it up. |
| 18:26.58 | scanlime | let's say you want a phone to talk to a hands-free headset, a wireless internet connection, and your PC |
| 18:27.04 | scanlime | you can do that with bluetooth |
| 18:27.12 | hardwire | scanlime: given that much bandwidth.. you could to some degree create local only business phone devices that work on a terminal service like model. |
| 18:27.14 | scanlime | with wusb, you'd have to have everything talk via the PC |
| 18:27.26 | hardwire | without interferring too much w/ regular wireless frequencies |
| 18:27.28 | scanlime | hardwire: you don't need that much bandwidth for voip! |
| 18:27.35 | hardwire | scanlime: not at all.. |
| 18:27.43 | scanlime | hardwire: bluetooth or 802.11 would do voip just fine |
| 18:27.44 | hardwire | but you could make incredibly dumb phones that last quite a while |
| 18:27.55 | numist | scanlime: for my purpose, wusb would work, since the only time Id use wireless peripherals with the phone would be in the car, where Id have the computer running anyway |
| 18:28.04 | hardwire | exporting all brains to a phone control system. |
| 18:28.12 | numist | precisely |
| 18:28.15 | hardwire | scanlime: 802.11 and bluetooth do work fine |
| 18:28.17 | scanlime | numist: it's still a stupid idea :P |
| 18:28.32 | hardwire | and they are very portable |
| 18:28.32 | scanlime | just like USB, wireless USB is scheduled entirely by the host |
| 18:28.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/menus.cpp: stay in the menu system when the game isn't on |
| 18:29.09 | scanlime | even if, theoretically, you bent the protcol a bit so that devices could listen to each other- you'd still have to allocate timeslices from the host somehow |
| 18:29.11 | hardwire | scanlime: I guess just let us be morons for a few years. |
| 18:29.34 | scanlime | I'm not saying wusb on a phone wouldn't be cool, but it wouldn't be the primary wireless interface. It'd just be for talking to PCs |
| 18:29.44 | scanlime | actually |
| 18:29.50 | hardwire | I i understand completely |
| 18:29.55 | hardwire | oh I :) |
| 18:29.57 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/ (inc/prefs.h src/prefs.cpp): let config store more then one value for each entry so the config can store lists |
| 18:30.01 | scanlime | the only portable device I really want wusb on is a media player |
| 18:30.08 | hardwire | just imagine anything you do plugged into a pc |
| 18:30.33 | hardwire | scanlime: but if you export the brains.. and put an OLED and half megabit camera in it.. you could have all sorts of fun. |
| 18:30.38 | numist | having both would be pretty useless -- I use my usb cable for charging and data transmission -- Id still need the phone connected to power even with wusb |
| 18:30.39 | scanlime | um |
| 18:30.40 | hardwire | on a wireless usb phone |
| 18:30.42 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:30.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9081 10motion/py/Motion/motion.c: |
| 18:30.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Make the set function a little more robust, and do the ref counting correctly (I |
| 18:30.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: think). |
| 18:30.43 | scanlime | I have an experiment for you |
| 18:30.52 | hardwire | you want to see if I can read a book. |
| 18:30.53 | scanlime | hardwire: hook a phone up to a PC using a normal USB cable |
| 18:30.55 | hardwire | from start to finish. |
| 18:30.56 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:31.17 | scanlime | hardwire: now, try to make it do something cool. I dare ya. |
| 18:31.35 | scanlime | hardwire: all wireless USB will do is remove that wire. From an application's point of view, the protocols are identical. |
| 18:31.49 | hardwire | I don't see how USB would limit that. |
| 18:31.49 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 18:31.55 | hardwire | there have been USB displays for a long time |
| 18:32.01 | hardwire | there are usb sound devices. |
| 18:32.05 | hardwire | and USB HID. |
| 18:32.05 | scanlime | yes, and they suck :) |
| 18:32.10 | hardwire | thats all that goes into |
| 18:32.19 | scanlime | I'm not saying you couldn't do it, just that it's a silly use for USB |
| 18:32.23 | hardwire | scanlime: they suck because the manufacturers use crappy components |
| 18:32.32 | numist | hardwire: the thing is.. wusb on a cell phone would limit it to being only a peripheral, not a server.. so you couldnt use devices with yout phone without a computer involved |
| 18:32.39 | hardwire | scanlime: from what you are saying is.. primarily its pretty low power. |
| 18:32.47 | hardwire | that would be a wonderfull thing to have in a phone. |
| 18:33.00 | scanlime | numist: exactly |
| 18:33.13 | numist | its a protocol limitation, not a power, range, or throughput limit |
| 18:33.19 | hardwire | why is it you guys think I am leaving out the pc side of things? |
| 18:33.26 | hardwire | that hasn't been the case so far. |
| 18:33.33 | numist | because bluetooth is flexible that way |
| 18:33.43 | hardwire | I suppose I am not talking about bluetooth :) |
| 18:33.57 | scanlime | fuck it, I don't know shit about USB, I'll just shut up and let the king of VoIP over there jerk off to a WUSB spectrum chart |
| 18:34.06 | hardwire | what the fuck |
| 18:34.21 | hardwire | I never said anything contrary to what you said. |
| 18:34.22 | numist | 0_o |
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| 18:34.31 | scanlime | finally |
| 18:34.55 | numist | noticing a bit of tension between you guys... |
| 18:35.06 | scanlime | really? |
| 18:35.13 | numist | lil bit |
| 18:35.26 | numist | ooh food |
| 18:35.47 | ChipX86 | is the whole world really pissed in general lately, or am I just imagining things? |
| 18:36.18 | Cae | ChipX86: it's been that way for a while |
| 18:36.33 | scanlime | this problem with my windows box sure isn't making me any happier :P |
| 18:36.44 | scanlime | is the rc2 deadline today? |
| 18:36.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 18:36.55 | ChipX86 | and that isn't making me happy either |
| 18:36.55 | scanlime | damnit... I know this fix works, I just can't test it |
| 18:36.57 | scanlime | #$@#$%# |
| 18:36.57 | Cae | well, let's take a lesson from politics. |
| 18:37.03 | ChipX86 | nor is this god damn idiot feature we have to do |
| 18:37.10 | ChipX86 | nor some personal life stuff |
| 18:37.11 | Cae | Bomb it! Heretic! Treason! Evil! |
| 18:39.39 | ChipX86 | argh, now what.. |
| 18:43.49 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i'm not pissed! |
| 18:46.03 | numist | I'm not pissed.. I'm actually happy -- today it actually feels like fall, and it's going to rain :) |
| 18:48.48 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r327 10libsexymm/ (ChangeLog libsexy/libsexymm/wrap_init.h): Guess we need this file. |
| 18:51.26 | scanlime | ohh |
| 18:51.37 | scanlime | I think somehow my windows machine lost its driver for USB hubs :-/ |
| 18:51.50 | numist | :( |
| 18:58.34 | ChipX86 | argh |
| 18:58.40 | ChipX86 | I'm just making mistake after mistake today |
| 19:00.20 | ChipX86 | is the day over yet? |
| 19:01.27 | Cae | not yet. |
| 19:01.34 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 19:01.58 | ChipX86 | there's this massive negative vibe flowing around |
| 19:03.51 | scanlime | now we just need to fill the statue of liberty with pink silly string |
| 19:15.26 | scanlime | ah, the microsoft knowledge base |
| 19:15.33 | scanlime | full of cruel yet satisfying honesty |
| 19:15.35 | scanlime | " Typically, if you plug a malfunctioning or incorrectly-configured device into a USB port, it causes the computer to stop responding (hang). In the majority of these instances, you must physically turn off the computer and turn it back on to reset the bus." |
| 19:15.35 | numist | theres a contradiction in terms |
| 19:19.29 | ChipX86 | mnemonic collisions are a pain |
| 19:19.40 | numist | yes they are |
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| 19:22.19 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9082 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/ (. Makefile design_brief.tex): This is due Wed. Better get started. |
| 19:23.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9083 10teaching_boxes/docs/interviews/notes/: hush |
| 19:30.44 | ChipX86 | "When putting blah blah in the tree the other day, I moved blah blah Bookmarksinto the wrong list of library appends. They are now in the correct place, preventing several problems ranging from crashing on startup to world hunger." |
| 19:31.12 | Cae | good to hear. |
| 19:37.21 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9084 10teaching_boxes/docs/design_brief/design_brief.tex: Title page |
| 19:45.31 | scanlime | ^blah |
| 19:45.38 | scanlime | s/^// |
| 19:46.24 | numist | thats a bad regex :P |
| 19:49.19 | scanlime | heh :P |
| 19:49.22 | scanlime | hmm, neat |
| 19:49.38 | scanlime | the new guy is making patches to code I wrote.. I can actually feel authoritative when giving a code review! |
| 19:49.48 | numist | :) |
| 19:49.55 | numist | and here you are calling someone 'the new guy' |
| 19:49.58 | numist | you old fart you |
| 19:50.03 | Cae | have fun guys |
| 19:50.23 | scanlime | hah |
| 19:50.36 | scanlime | numist: I've been here almost 3 months and there are already 2 people newer than me just on this team |
| 19:50.43 | numist | yikes |
| 19:50.50 | scanlime | that's how vmware is |
| 19:50.55 | numist | Ive been here since April and half the company now has been here less time than me :o |
| 19:51.06 | scanlime | hehe, nice |
| 19:51.06 | numist | then again, I was employee #5 |
| 19:51.15 | scanlime | I am not a number! |
| 19:51.41 | numist | nope, I have scott@procuro.com |
| 19:51.44 | numist | buahaha |
| 19:51.51 | scanlime | eep |
| 19:51.58 | scanlime | apparently uninstalling SP2 puts my machine back in 640x480 |
| 19:52.10 | numist | it nukes your drivers iirc |
| 19:52.11 | numist | so yes |
| 19:52.26 | scanlime | but that's good, my USB drivers at least deserved nuking |
| 19:52.32 | scanlime | this machine just stopped recognizing hubs at all |
| 19:53.10 | numist | ouch |
| 19:53.43 | scanlime | made it real hard to test this bluetooth adaptor that has an internal hub |
| 19:54.11 | scanlime | grrrmph. Still doesn't work after uninstalling SP2 |
| 19:54.14 | scanlime | maybe after reinstalling it... |
| 19:57.59 | scanlime | "There will not be an ID meeting today - let's fix bugs instead! |
| 19:57.59 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.01 | scanlime | Also if you have not done so, please turn in your self eval by today (for those lucky enough to have to do them)." |
| 19:58.04 | scanlime | hehe |
| 19:58.27 | scanlime | sigh.. reboot 4/%d for this upgrade |
| 20:00.53 | numist | :) |
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| 20:07.55 | pagefault | hey |
| 20:08.07 | file[laptop] | hi pagefault |
| 20:08.25 | pagefault | whats up |
| 20:08.35 | file[laptop] | nada, u? |
| 20:08.56 | pagefault | not much here |
| 20:16.20 | scanlime | this whole place smells like hot dogs |
| 20:17.31 | pagefault | mmm hot dog |
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| 20:26.36 | pfault | I am so tired |
| 20:35.16 | purple_cow | yay |
| 20:35.28 | purple_cow | professor guy asks "any good movies" and several people respond "wallace & gromit" |
| 20:35.44 | scanlime | :) |
| 20:36.17 | scanlime | well, I'm less annoyed now |
| 20:36.25 | scanlime | my windows machine is still broken, but I committed my patch anyway :) |
| 20:36.54 | numist | :o |
| 20:36.57 | numist | without testing? |
| 20:37.02 | scanlime | without testing on windows |
| 20:37.04 | numist | mosey to chippy's office and test on his machine :) |
| 20:37.15 | ChipX86 | yay, we're seeing Serenity Friday |
| 20:37.19 | scanlime | his windows machine is a doorstop :P |
| 20:37.42 | numist | I want to see Serenity... maybe tonight |
| 20:38.12 | ChipX86 | it's worth seeing a couple of times :) |
| 20:38.19 | scanlime | yes |
| 20:38.23 | ChipX86 | at least |
| 20:38.29 | ChipX86 | I'm so buying it |
| 20:38.47 | pfault | time to chug a coffee |
| 20:38.57 | purple_cow | it was good, but comparatively disappointing |
| 20:39.06 | ChipX86 | how so? |
| 20:39.19 | purple_cow | i just liked the show a lot better |
| 20:39.22 | scanlime | purple_cow: a little.. but it's still worth seeing twice :) |
| 20:39.23 | pfault | I need a caffine injection |
| 20:39.31 | scanlime | see the movie twice, see the series a dozen times :P |
| 20:39.32 | purple_cow | and i'm pissed that they added sound in space |
| 20:39.35 | ChipX86 | I found it to be a relief. A lot of movies for series suck |
| 20:39.42 | numist | purple_cow: haha |
| 20:39.48 | numist | sound in space |
| 20:39.58 | purple_cow | seriously, that was possibly the coolest part about the show (no sound in space) |
| 20:40.03 | purple_cow | and they compromised that aesthetic |
| 20:40.09 | numist | :( |
| 20:40.15 | numist | you know that now when I watch it I'm going to notice that |
| 20:40.18 | ChipX86 | I never even noticed |
| 20:40.24 | ChipX86 | about the series or movie |
| 20:40.38 | ChipX86 | fortunately, I just don't care about sound in space one way or another :) |
| 20:40.57 | scanlime | pff |
| 20:41.10 | ChipX86 | now sound on earth... THAT I have a problem with |
| 20:41.15 | scanlime | Firefly and Cowboy Bebop are the only shows I know of that are good about keeping sound out of space |
| 20:41.47 | numist | most sounds on earth are unnecessary |
| 20:41.57 | purple_cow | it's something that hadn't been done in a major thing since 2001 |
| 20:42.19 | ChipX86 | I think there should be more sound in space, really. Space is really repressive that way, and the only thing we can do is fight back |
| 20:43.13 | numist | :) |
| 20:43.31 | scanlime | today's going to be one hectic day for the source tree... |
| 20:43.37 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 20:43.43 | scanlime | but I'm cautiously optimistic about tinderbox |
| 20:43.49 | ChipX86 | because today isn't hectic enough as it is |
| 20:43.55 | ChipX86 | and where is Regis.. |
| 20:44.29 | ChipX86 | Shutdown or Shut Down? |
| 20:44.37 | numist | so rc2 is today, that means there will be another beta release shortly? |
| 20:44.40 | numist | two words :) |
| 20:45.00 | ChipX86 | menu item: "Shut Down Guest", tooltip: "Shutdown the guest OS" |
| 20:45.05 | numist | hehe |
| 20:45.08 | scanlime | hah |
| 20:45.26 | purple_cow | yay consistency |
| 20:45.27 | scanlime | ChipX86: windows uses "Shut Down" and gnome uses "Shut down" |
| 20:45.34 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 20:45.55 | ChipX86 | yay polish |
| 20:46.21 | scanlime | yay adding obscure UHCI config options |
| 20:46.42 | scanlime | two of these are my fault :) |
| 20:46.48 | ChipX86 | I like that my manager is such a geek |
| 20:47.04 | ChipX86 | she saw my "All I know I learned from Nintendo" shirt and lauhged |
| 20:47.16 | pfault | awww |
| 20:47.24 | pfault | chip gets all the chicks |
| 20:47.37 | ChipX86 | last week, she and Regis spent over 5 minutes trying to optimize the "To be or not to be" regexp on my shirt |
| 20:47.46 | ChipX86 | and debated it |
| 20:48.08 | ChipX86 | pfault: she's my manager and she's married with a kid :P |
| 20:48.21 | pfault | bah |
| 20:48.23 | pfault | still |
| 20:48.33 | pfault | they like you |
| 20:48.34 | pfault | :)( |
| 20:48.36 | pfault | err |
| 20:48.37 | pfault | :) |
| 20:48.54 | scanlime | huh. this virus scanner on my windows host just found one |
| 20:48.57 | scanlime | W32/Nachi.worm.a |
| 20:48.58 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 20:50.01 | scanlime | haha |
| 20:50.07 | scanlime | it's a worm that patches your system against another worm :P |
| 20:50.09 | ChipX86 | hmm, this thing never scans |
| 20:50.09 | scanlime | that's odd |
| 20:50.11 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 20:50.27 | ChipX86 | last scan was in 2004 |
| 20:50.50 | scanlime | I never let that thing run |
| 20:50.58 | scanlime | this was just found by the online scanner, while I was running windows update |
| 20:51.07 | ChipX86 | my windows box doesn't do a single thing all day long, so I may as well let it run |
| 20:51.27 | scanlime | hey, so you probably have a working USB hub driver... |
| 20:51.28 | scanlime | :P |
| 20:52.41 | file[laptop] | well that was nice - a person just messaged me thanking me for writing an app |
| 20:55.44 | ChipX86 | yay for ubuntu fixes being done right now |
| 20:56.03 | ChipX86 | on breezy, the kernel is compiled with gcc 3.4 and then /usr/bin/gcc is 4.0.x |
| 20:56.17 | scanlime | ick |
| 20:56.19 | numist | t |
| 20:56.20 | ChipX86 | so to run vmware-config.pl at all, you have to CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 vmware-config.pl |
| 20:56.27 | ChipX86 | but that's being fixed now |
| 20:56.50 | ChipX86 | I filed a bug and Kelly is making it check for gcc-x.y, depending on the version the kernel was compiled with |
| 20:57.02 | scanlime | ws5.5 should be (unofficially) bluetooth-happy :) |
| 20:57.36 | scanlime | whoa |
| 20:57.42 | scanlime | aaditya's working on a 4-digit bug |
| 20:57.58 | numist | thats old |
| 20:58.21 | scanlime | it's from 2000 :P |
| 20:58.24 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:58.27 | numist | gah |
| 20:58.29 | ChipX86 | I love closing those |
| 21:00.49 | scanlime | oldest bug I've closed so far is 35658 :( |
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| 21:08.10 | *** join/#tacobeam dkuester_ (n=dkuester@dlc75-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 21:11.11 | numist | gah codeproject is broken |
| 21:11.15 | ChipX86 | shit.. |
| 21:11.20 | ChipX86 | Regis's wife was in a car accident |
| 21:11.32 | numist | ouch |
| 21:11.39 | ChipX86 | I really hope she's okay |
| 21:21.01 | lurgy|work | Regis? |
| 21:26.32 | scanlime | coworker |
| 21:32.05 | scanlime | grarr |
| 21:32.11 | scanlime | still no USB love from windows |
| 21:33.14 | ChipX86 | lurgy|work: my officemate |
| 21:33.38 | ChipX86 | been my officemate from day 1. Most people switch around a lot |
| 21:35.01 | lurgy|work | ChipX86: :( |
| 21:35.08 | lurgy|work | ow |
| 21:35.22 | ChipX86 | his wife is such a nice person |
| 21:35.33 | scanlime | :( |
| 21:35.51 | ChipX86 | I kind of feel on edge a bit now. I want to know how she's doing |
| 21:36.25 | ChipX86 | I'm sure she'll be fine, but there's that worry |
| 21:36.35 | scanlime | yrah |
| 21:36.38 | scanlime | er, yeah |
| 21:36.53 | ChipX86 | and what bothers me is that we still haven't heard a word from Regis |
| 21:36.57 | scanlime | =( |
| 21:37.05 | ChipX86 | if this was some little thing and she was okay, we'd have heard |
| 21:37.15 | ChipX86 | if she just had to be in the hospital for a day, I imagine we'd have heard |
| 21:39.11 | purple_cow | maybe |
| 21:39.24 | purple_cow | keeping his coworkers up-to-date is probably not high on his priorities |
| 21:39.37 | ChipX86 | well, most days, yeah |
| 21:39.43 | ChipX86 | he's supposed to be heading to VMworld soon |
| 21:40.00 | ChipX86 | and certain things depend on whether or not he's going |
| 21:40.13 | ChipX86 | where soon means I think in a few hours |
| 21:47.49 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r258 10prototype/src/application/ (Application.java MPlayer.java): make launching applications a lot cleaner |
| 21:58.07 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r259 10prototype/src/application/ (Application.java MPlayer.java): Add some thread mojo to application running. This may or may not be the proper way to do this. |
| 22:02.19 | scanlime | ahhhhh |
| 22:02.24 | scanlime | somehow my windows system lost usb.inf |
| 22:03.41 | scanlime | damnit. I copy usb.inf over from another windows machine and it's working great |
| 22:04.34 | scanlime | but thank goodness I didn't have to reinstall windows over that |
| 22:08.50 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r260 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: start in on some happy exec + regex magic for discovering mplayer functionality, sort of ported from freevo's kaa stuff |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: list localy defined server addresses first |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: let menu kick into game mode |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: let game mode kick into menu |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: everyone needs app settings |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: keep current menu index around since the ID means squat to the input handler. |
| 22:10.38 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r261 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: 80 columns of pure hate |
| 22:11.34 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r262 10prototype/src/application/Application.java: alphabetized imports, because i'm neurotic like that |
| 22:11.41 | scanlime | haha |
| 22:18.25 | scanlime | bah, someone broke the build again |
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| 22:31.24 | ChipX86 | man, with the atmosphere that's here today, you'd think we were all losing our jobs or something |
| 22:31.50 | scanlime | aren't we? :P |
| 22:32.01 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 22:32.06 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r263 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: It's a good thing java is such a high-level language! Otherwise, I might have to do garbage like build a string from individual bytes when reading the output from an exec'ed process. Oh wait! I do! |
| 22:32.39 | scanlime | OMGOMG! |
| 22:32.41 | scanlime | it works! |
| 22:32.59 | file[laptop] | yay |
| 22:33.07 | ChipX86 | worst.. mnemonic change.. ever.. |
| 22:33.42 | scanlime | I have so much trouble connecting 'mnemonic' to GUIs rather than assemblers |
| 22:42.12 | ChipX86 | ok, UI opinion time! |
| 22:42.24 | ChipX86 | imagine that you have an IP Entry field and you're typing an IP |
| 22:42.28 | ChipX86 | you start with 192 |
| 22:42.40 | ChipX86 | should it jump to the next field, or wait until you hit '.' ? |
| 22:42.45 | ChipX86 | because imagine if you type 193 on accident |
| 22:43.19 | scanlime | wait til you hit '.' |
| 22:43.39 | ChipX86 | ok good |
| 22:43.42 | scanlime | I hate it when you have to type differently just because the GUI control is "smarter" |
| 22:43.42 | ChipX86 | next question |
| 22:43.47 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:43.49 | ChipX86 | I agree fully |
| 22:43.56 | Veight | heres my awesome rap i made in like 30 seconds |
| 22:43.57 | Veight | my names tony i am from minnesota so dont fuck wit me otherwise i'll get my hommie yoda hes my G |
| 22:44.04 | ChipX86 | now if you type 192168, should it jump to the next field, or require that you either hit . or move it manually? |
| 22:44.07 | scanlime | Veight: lay off the listerine chugging |
| 22:44.22 | Veight | lol its the illness of boredom |
| 22:44.39 | scanlime | ChipX86: might as well automatically move to the next field, since you can pretty safely guess what the user has in mind |
| 22:44.54 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:45.02 | ChipX86 | I'm determined to make this not suck |
| 22:45.15 | ChipX86 | because every IP entry field I have ever used has annoyed me |
| 22:48.31 | ChipX86 | what are you waiting for? |
| 22:48.40 | scanlime | phone =D |
| 22:48.55 | scanlime | it's getting delivered to my apartment though |
| 22:48.56 | ChipX86 | ahhh |
| 22:49.02 | scanlime | so I'd have to leave early if I want it tonight |
| 22:49.12 | ChipX86 | can you call the apartment and have them put it by your door? |
| 22:49.17 | ChipX86 | assuming it's a safe area? |
| 22:49.42 | scanlime | I might just go home earlyish and work a longer day tomorrow |
| 22:49.46 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:49.48 | scanlime | I finished what I was hoping to today |
| 22:50.07 | ChipX86 | my work schedule has been so weird lately. I think I have a lot of overtime, but then some days I've also gotten here late |
| 22:50.21 | scanlime | you get paid overtime? |
| 22:50.29 | ChipX86 | well, not overtime, comp time |
| 22:50.34 | ChipX86 | for vacations |
| 22:50.44 | scanlime | how does that work? |
| 22:50.46 | ChipX86 | there isn't really an official policy on that. It's just what Jocelyn does |
| 22:50.50 | scanlime | ah |
| 22:51.00 | ChipX86 | though a lot of managers do it too. Paul is all for it apparently |
| 22:51.41 | ChipX86 | so basically, we tell Jocelyn that we've worked x hours at night or on weekends, and she'll round that up usually to the nearest full day or more and give us time |
| 22:51.57 | ChipX86 | but it depends on when it is, too, because we might have a major deadline |
| 22:51.58 | scanlime | nice |
| 22:52.04 | scanlime | I'll have to see if Dan's up for that ;) |
| 22:52.09 | ChipX86 | after releases and around Christmas, she and Paul are very pro-vacation time |
| 22:52.29 | ChipX86 | after 5.0, I asked Paul for a day off to see Jamie. He said, "Just take the week off and show her a good time" |
| 22:52.39 | scanlime | haha |
| 22:54.29 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r264 10prototype/build.xml: turn on full debugging info, why not |
| 22:54.56 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r265 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: super-explodociously-cool hashtable population! |
| 22:55.54 | ChipX86 | this widget rocks |
| 22:56.03 | ChipX86 | but it looks hacky, code-wise, due to the stuff I must do to it :( |
| 23:07.36 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dkuester * r1755 10mck/ground.py: hopefully more windows-happy |
| 23:09.34 | ChipX86 | ack |
| 23:09.38 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r266 10prototype/src/ (Font.java FontManager.java Text.java): Skelingtons for the font stuff. |
| 23:10.10 | ChipX86 | scanlime: the stupidity currently flowing through #vmware is truely remarkable |
| 23:11.13 | scanlime | that's nice :) |
| 23:11.28 | ChipX86 | it's scary |
| 23:16.20 | scanlime | gah, I hate that |
| 23:16.28 | scanlime | when someone starts talking to you in the bathroom |
| 23:16.35 | scanlime | and no matter how hard you need to, you just can't go until they leave |
| 23:17.13 | numist | well.. its pretty wrong too.. if Im standing with my unit in my hands, I don't want to talk to you |
| 23:17.17 | numist | I like you guys and all, but... |
| 23:17.17 | scanlime | uhhuh |
| 23:17.22 | scanlime | this time it was my manager :P |
| 23:17.36 | scanlime | asking me about my weekend... |
| 23:17.41 | scanlime | while all I want to do is answer nature |
| 23:20.09 | numist | :o |
| 23:20.13 | numist | your manager ought to know better |
| 23:20.24 | numist | wait.. Joscelyn isnt your manager too.. right? |
| 23:20.30 | numist | :o |
| 23:20.31 | scanlime | right |
| 23:20.39 | scanlime | different teams |
| 23:20.46 | scanlime | ChipX86 is on UI, I'm on ID |
| 23:20.48 | numist | phew |
| 23:20.57 | numist | that would be odd having a conversation with her in the loo |
| 23:21.02 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:21.03 | scanlime | yes |
| 23:21.21 | scanlime | I hope she wouldn't ever be *standing* next to a guy in the bathroom at least... |
| 23:21.25 | ChipX86 | yeah. |
| 23:21.30 | ChipX86 | there would be other questions |
| 23:22.00 | ChipX86 | phew |
| 23:22.07 | ChipX86 | Regis's wife had no serious injuries |
| 23:22.20 | ChipX86 | but will still need some recovery |
| 23:22.51 | ChipX86 | means he misses vmworld, which he was looking forward to, but oh well, this is more important |
| 23:23.15 | scanlime | =( |
| 23:23.16 | scanlime | yeah |
| 23:23.34 | scanlime | ok.. bugged chris into letting me commit another little patch :) |
| 23:23.40 | scanlime | think I go home and pick up my phone after that |
| 23:25.22 | ChipX86 | hah, just got these earphones in my ears (which is a lot of work due to their design and can sometimes take over a minute), and the phone rang |
| 23:26.08 | scanlime | sound like great earphones... |
| 23:26.18 | ChipX86 | yeah :P |
| 23:26.54 | scanlime | woo, tinderbox in flames |
| 23:26.56 | ChipX86 | they're the earbuds kind, but they don't just stick in your eyes. Part of it is a clip that goes over the side of your ear, and part is the cable that you have to loosen and then slip over the top of your ear a certain way and then tighten without the earbud part falling out, and hten you have to position them just right |
| 23:26.59 | scanlime | good time to head home :) |
| 23:27.01 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 23:27.04 | scanlime | eyes? |
| 23:27.12 | ChipX86 | hahha |
| 23:27.15 | ChipX86 | woops |
| 23:27.17 | ChipX86 | ears :) |
| 23:27.23 | ChipX86 | earbuds in your eyes are bad |
| 23:28.03 | scanlime | it happens, though |
| 23:28.30 | scanlime | well, bbl.. hopefully with phone in hand |
| 23:30.42 | TD[film] | ChipX86: oh, man i hate them |
| 23:31.13 | ChipX86 | at least putting them on feels like you accomplished something challenging |
| 23:31.29 | ChipX86 | but people always call or want to talk to me just after putting them on |
| 23:34.31 | TD[film] | heh |
| 23:34.33 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r267 10prototype/src/Text.java: Text extends Shape3D |
| 23:34.43 | TD | i find them so uncomfortable. i don't know why they're so popular |
| 23:34.54 | numist | Text is an extension of 3D Shapes?! that is so wrong |
| 23:35.07 | ChipX86 | TD: yeah |
| 23:35.13 | ChipX86 | not the best purchase I've made |
| 23:35.17 | ChipX86 | but I needed something fast |
| 23:35.18 | purple_cow | hahahahahahaha, go PA |
| 23:37.20 | purple_cow | check out the last post on the main page :) |
| 23:39.51 | KeyserSoze | like text post, or the comic? |
| 23:40.50 | KeyserSoze | the "You Lose" story, or the placenta sandwiches comic? |
| 23:40.52 | ChipX86 | woot, that fix for the intelligent gcc binary checking is going in for rc2 :) |
| 23:41.38 | purple_cow | text post |
| 23:41.45 | purple_cow | comic's good too |
| 23:42.28 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r268 10prototype/src/FontManager.java: |
| 23:42.28 | CIA-5 | smrt: I'm just kind of guessing at what functions are going where, but the stubs help |
| 23:42.28 | CIA-5 | smrt: to organize my thoughts. |
| 23:43.54 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r269 10prototype/src/RotateActionBooleanInt.java: I don't think that RotateActionBooleanInt is being used anymore. |
| 23:45.20 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r270 10prototype/src/Text.java: ; |
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| 23:45.34 | pagefault | tacos |
| 23:45.54 | darth_mall | hmm |
| 23:46.47 | pagefault | I am uberowning in WoW |
| 23:47.11 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I think I just found a text widget |
| 23:47.42 | pagefault | I think warlocks are going to get nerfed |
| 23:47.45 | pagefault | we are way to powerful in 1.8 |
| 23:48.12 | ChipX86 | I'll nerf your warlock! |
| 23:48.30 | pagefault | either that |
| 23:48.36 | pagefault | or I just had it to bad the game was so hard before |
| 23:48.47 | ChipX86 | my mage kicks ass |
| 23:49.04 | pagefault | anyone who pvp's me |
| 23:49.05 | pagefault | I am like hi |
| 23:49.08 | pagefault | and then later |
| 23:49.13 | pagefault | they are begging me to spare them |
| 23:49.19 | ChipX86 | you don't want to mess with my mage, unless you're like able to move or breath or something |
| 23:49.19 | purple_cow | darth_mall: oh? |
| 23:49.32 | pagefault | pfft |
| 23:49.35 | pagefault | my felhunter > your mage |
| 23:49.37 | ChipX86 | pagefault: begging you, huh? right |
| 23:49.52 | ChipX86 | nah, my mage is quite cool. She's ruthless.. in the auction house |
| 23:49.54 | darth_mall | purple_cow: sg/utils/shape |
| 23:49.56 | pagefault | what good are spells if you can't cast anything :) |
| 23:49.58 | darth_mall | there's a Text2D class |
| 23:50.04 | ChipX86 | it's a bad day if I get less than 5g profit coming in |
| 23:50.11 | darth_mall | it's not in the docs |
| 23:50.12 | pagefault | ooh a female mage |
| 23:51.15 | darth_mall | oh yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad |
| 23:51.44 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: nuh uh! |
| 23:51.49 | pagefault | I think I need to update wowbits |
| 23:52.06 | ChipX86 | one of them keeps locking up WoW for me :( |
| 23:52.14 | pagefault | yeah same |
| 23:52.16 | pagefault | so it's not just me then? |
| 23:52.20 | ChipX86 | which one? |
| 23:52.24 | pagefault | no clue |
| 23:52.26 | pagefault | it just locks up |
| 23:52.36 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i don't see that directory... |
| 23:53.34 | darth_mall | it's not in my API docs, I went into my lg3d-core co |
| 23:53.42 | pagefault | cedgea has a long way to go before I use it for my games |
| 23:53.43 | purple_cow | ahh, no sg |
| 23:53.46 | purple_cow | just lg3d/utils/shape |
| 23:53.47 | pagefault | WoW just runs so much better in real windows |
| 23:53.50 | pagefault | err cedega |
| 23:53.53 | darth_mall | erm... yeah |
| 23:53.54 | darth_mall | my bad |
| 23:54.20 | purple_cow | darth_mall: worth a try |
| 23:54.36 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r271 10prototype/src/FontManager.java: |
| 23:54.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: David's point about static classes is well taken. I'm not sure why I did that, |
| 23:54.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: but I think I've done it in the past for some reason. It has no effect one way |
| 23:54.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: or the other in this particular situation. |
| 23:54.53 | darth_mall | purple_cow: at least for the prototype. if it's fugly, we might do our own for the final |
| 23:56.52 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 23:57.59 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r272 10prototype/src/FontManager.java: i like compiling |
| 23:58.46 | purple_cow | darth_mall: well, it's possible that it won't work at all and we'll need to do our own for the prototype too. either way, using theirs is preferable |