| 00:00.53 | kergoth | ! |
| 00:00.58 | kergoth | darth_mall: new wheel of time book came out tuesday |
| 00:18.03 | scanlime | #$#%$# |
| 00:36.32 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r303 10libsexy/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Separate the icon-clicked signal into icon-pressed and icon-released, and added a SexyIconEntryPosition parameter to it. |
| 00:49.55 | purple_cow | http://fury.com/article/2176.php |
| 00:50.51 | purple_cow | ``Ancient Egyptian God of Death, Anubis, released a press statement today on FOX news network declaring that he was encouraging a strike among his minions in protests of Bush's excessive body count in Iraq. Anubis states that "Our jobs are hard enough with civil war, age, and disease. Working conditions are getting really tough down here." '' |
| 00:53.17 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:04.38 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r304 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog libsexy/sexy-icon-entry.c): Move to keeping an array of icon info structs instead of hard-coding them in SexyIconEntryPriv. We now loop these in lots of places. We're very close to having support for icons on both sides! |
| 01:05.37 | ChipX86 | I so want to write a package tracker applet for shipped packages |
| 01:07.41 | purple_cow | yay, the bunny fight's been colored |
| 01:08.01 | ChipX86 | this widget is going to rock so hard in just a second here |
| 01:08.45 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 01:12.35 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:26.50 | riotert | ChipX86 fuming about google hiring sean? |
| 01:27.28 | ChipX86 | I'm not fuming |
| 01:27.32 | ChipX86 | I'm amused |
| 01:27.58 | riotert | hah fair enough |
| 01:31.17 | ChipX86 | I don't want to work at google. He can have the job. I'm just wondering how long he'll work there |
| 01:37.55 | riotert | haha |
| 01:40.33 | Sophie197 | I'm hungry, but there's nobody here to feed me |
| 01:40.42 | Sophie197 | or for me to feed |
| 01:41.00 | Sophie197 | so I just don't feel like trying to eat. |
| 01:41.11 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 01:41.19 | ChipX86 | where's that husband of yours? |
| 01:41.28 | Sophie197 | new mexico |
| 01:41.31 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 01:41.34 | ChipX86 | you should get yourself a girlfriend |
| 01:41.59 | Sophie197 | I've been saying that, but Miles thinks it'd be weird |
| 01:42.07 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 01:42.15 | ChipX86 | well it's fun to joke about, but I've seen that cause more problems than anything |
| 01:42.17 | Sophie197 | even though I said we could 3 way. |
| 01:42.19 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r250 10prototype/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Bunch of changes towards making applications launchable. Most importantly, regexs are now configured in xml, because I need xml like zombies need brains. |
| 01:42.51 | Sophie197 | zombies love brains! |
| 01:43.13 | purple_cow | i know! |
| 01:44.11 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 01:44.12 | ChipX86 | what broke |
| 01:44.25 | purple_cow | it's amazing how tolerable (and maybe even nice) java becomes once you start using xml all over the place |
| 01:45.16 | purple_cow | parts of it make me sad |
| 01:45.25 | ChipX86 | in general, I like java |
| 01:45.26 | purple_cow | like .equals () |
| 01:45.29 | ChipX86 | I just never need it |
| 01:45.32 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:45.38 | ChipX86 | and a lot of people use ==, thinking it'll work |
| 01:45.58 | purple_cow | and the lack of C#-style properties |
| 01:46.06 | ChipX86 | yeah :/ |
| 01:46.12 | ChipX86 | and delegates |
| 01:46.19 | purple_cow | but at least java 1.5 has generics and a foreach construct |
| 01:46.19 | ChipX86 | you have to write your own |
| 01:47.18 | purple_cow | granted, most of that stuff is just syntactic sugar |
| 01:47.21 | ChipX86 | I'm sooo glad the kludges in SexyIconEntry are being fixed. Or somet of them anyway |
| 01:47.23 | purple_cow | but it's tasty syntactic sugar |
| 01:47.26 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 01:48.17 | purple_cow | so far, i've been pleasantly surprised at the speed of development with java |
| 01:48.23 | purple_cow | about on par with C# |
| 01:48.31 | purple_cow | still can't compare with python though :) |
| 01:48.37 | ChipX86 | python's impressed me there |
| 01:49.52 | ChipX86 | I'm all giddy about this widget now that it's going to work, once I figure out how I slightly broke something |
| 01:51.12 | purple_cow | it's nifty to be able to configure things like menus by creating this object-in-xml thing, but then i remember that it would be just a couple lines in python, and without all the parser nonsense |
| 01:51.21 | gonkulator | wow, its a ChipX86 |
| 01:51.24 | ChipX86 | wow! |
| 01:51.25 | ChipX86 | where? |
| 01:51.30 | gonkulator | ChipX86: I just saw the article on slashdot about sean |
| 01:51.33 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 01:52.20 | gonkulator | anyway, I had to hop in and ask how long you think its going to be before he gets fired |
| 01:52.24 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 01:52.27 | ChipX86 | soon enough |
| 01:52.49 | purple_cow | mmm mogwai |
| 01:52.51 | ChipX86 | he's never shown any demonstration of ability on gaim as a developer, so I doubt he'll suddenly become a great developer at google |
| 01:53.14 | purple_cow | for some reason he's got a lot of clout as a gtk programmer |
| 01:53.16 | Sophie197 | I could curl up and live inside "Each Coming Night" |
| 01:53.23 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: because he takes credit for other people's work |
| 01:53.36 | ChipX86 | like when he committed this patch I had him review and he said that he spent a lot of time writing it |
| 01:53.44 | purple_cow | eek |
| 01:53.45 | ChipX86 | well, I had the developers review it |
| 01:55.47 | ChipX86 | mmm, E.S. Posthumus |
| 01:56.46 | Sophie197 | hey gonkey how are ya? |
| 01:56.54 | gonkulator | good good |
| 01:57.00 | Sophie197 | :) |
| 01:57.01 | gonkulator | busy as always |
| 01:57.03 | gonkulator | and yourself? |
| 01:58.14 | ChipX86 | ooh, Ulaid is a good song |
| 01:58.37 | Sophie197 | crazy busy |
| 01:59.03 | Sophie197 | Ulaid? |
| 01:59.09 | ChipX86 | E.S. Posthumus - Ulaid |
| 01:59.23 | Sophie197 | what style of music? |
| 01:59.28 | ChipX86 | hmm hard to describe |
| 01:59.31 | ChipX86 | depends on the song |
| 01:59.34 | ChipX86 | very neat stuff though |
| 01:59.40 | ChipX86 | no vocals |
| 01:59.53 | purple_cow | almusic sez electronica |
| 02:00.08 | nullpuppy | like that song perhaps.. |
| 02:00.10 | nullpuppy | *cough* |
| 02:00.11 | ChipX86 | hmm, a sample you say |
| 02:00.11 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 02:00.23 | ChipX86 | now if I do that, I'll be out of bandwidth, won't I? |
| 02:00.31 | nullpuppy | probably |
| 02:00.33 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 02:00.39 | ChipX86 | I'll put two up for comparison |
| 02:00.40 | nullpuppy | or you could upload it |
| 02:00.44 | nullpuppy | or something |
| 02:00.46 | purple_cow | isn't that what the linode is for? ;) |
| 02:00.48 | ChipX86 | two ends of the spectrum |
| 02:00.51 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yeah, going to use that |
| 02:00.53 | nullpuppy | precisely :) |
| 02:01.05 | ChipX86 | oh bah |
| 02:01.15 | ChipX86 | they're not on the media server at home... |
| 02:01.21 | ChipX86 | ooh but they should be in a CD on the windows box |
| 02:01.31 | ChipX86 | yay technology |
| 02:01.37 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 02:02.50 | ChipX86 | now to warn you, the tagging may be off. I haven't gone through these yet. A friend sent tusic? |
| 02:02.53 | ChipX86 | 18:56:39 < ChipX86> hmm hard to describe |
| 02:02.53 | ChipX86 | woops |
| 02:02.56 | ChipX86 | 18:56:42 < ChipX86> depends on the song |
| 02:02.59 | ChipX86 | a friend sent them. Ignore the rest of that |
| 02:03.20 | gonkulator | wow, coding to music is starting to get popular here at the seminary |
| 02:03.30 | gonkulator | there are more ex-geeks here than I thought |
| 02:03.37 | gonkulator | some people actually laugh at the jokes :) |
| 02:04.20 | gonkulator | and on that note, its time to do homework |
| 02:04.34 | gonkulator | later ChipX86, Sophie197, purple_cow, nu |
| 02:04.36 | ChipX86 | cya |
| 02:04.44 | gonkulator | doh, nullpuppy |
| 02:04.49 | Sophie197 | doh, that was fast |
| 02:05.07 | Sophie197 | I chatted with my sister a second |
| 02:05.14 | Sophie197 | and now you're leaving already |
| 02:05.19 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/es_posthumus-pompeii.mp3 |
| 02:05.31 | nullpuppy | hehe, cya gonkulator |
| 02:05.41 | Sophie197 | ChipX86: thanks |
| 02:05.47 | Sophie197 | ttyl gonkey |
| 02:06.00 | ChipX86 | got another coming up in a sec |
| 02:06.33 | ChipX86 | hrm I can't figure out how this code was working before |
| 02:06.44 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/es_posthumus-ulaid.mp3 |
| 02:07.45 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 02:07.49 | purple_cow | that's the best kind of code |
| 02:08.07 | *** join/#tacobeam Veight (i=Veight@c-24-118-220-75.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 02:09.46 | ChipX86 | grahh |
| 02:10.13 | Veight | hmm? |
| 02:10.27 | ChipX86 | why did this work.. |
| 02:10.32 | ChipX86 | and how do I make it work again.. |
| 02:10.32 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 02:10.52 | Veight | ive had that happen before though i cant remember what i did off the top of my head |
| 02:14.40 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:14.48 | ChipX86 | they're used in a bunch of amvs |
| 02:15.00 | purple_cow | it sounds nice, just i've heard this sort of thing so much already |
| 02:15.15 | purple_cow | hardly fits the "experimental sounds" thing that the ES is supposed to mean |
| 02:15.36 | ChipX86 | *shrug* I like it, it's good music |
| 02:16.05 | ChipX86 | grah |
| 02:16.09 | ChipX86 | should be working |
| 02:16.51 | ChipX86 | same coordinates even |
| 02:18.13 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 02:21.29 | purple_cow | man, i'm still buzzed from last night |
| 02:22.05 | pagefault | must have been some good booze |
| 02:22.31 | purple_cow | not booze, concert :P |
| 02:22.34 | pagefault | oh |
| 02:22.34 | pagefault | haha |
| 02:28.40 | ChipX86 | wonder how long I should stay |
| 02:30.04 | ChipX86 | huh. |
| 02:30.12 | ChipX86 | right-to-left text in an entry is broken here |
| 02:30.19 | ChipX86 | the second you type something, it switches to ltr |
| 02:30.36 | Sophie197 | that posthumus stuff is odd |
| 02:30.50 | Sophie197 | like rock opera or something |
| 02:31.38 | Sophie197 | I put some bluesy music on my site: http://www.sophiesmusic.com/ |
| 02:32.37 | laodamas | A google earth box :) |
| 02:32.40 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 02:32.53 | ChipX86 | is that like a pandora's box? |
| 02:34.02 | laodamas | Yes, only with two terabytes of map data |
| 02:34.21 | laodamas | and thats just the unclassified stuff :) |
| 02:34.27 | ChipX86 | can it destroy the universe? |
| 02:34.51 | ChipX86 | and if so, can I have one? |
| 02:35.38 | laodamas | Sorry, Google only sells their doomsday machines to registered mad scientists |
| 02:35.47 | laodamas | and llamas |
| 02:39.01 | laodamas | yay for being part of a not entirely black program |
| 02:40.29 | ChipX86 | how does one even begin to get involved in things like that? |
| 02:44.11 | laodamas | You send a resume to a government contractor who then, after an annoying clearance process, puts you to work doing something. If you get lucky, you end up on a nifty program with large budgets (courtesy of Uncle Sam and the American War Machine of Doomâ„¢) working on bleeding edge stuff. |
| 02:44.24 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 02:46.12 | laodamas | If you get unlucky you get stuck supporting an ageing program with a tiny budget in dumpy facility in the middle of Nebraska |
| 02:49.00 | ChipX86 | fun |
| 02:49.20 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 02:49.27 | ChipX86 | SexyIconEntry has proper RTL support now for the icons |
| 02:56.20 | ChipX86 | hmm, need some RTL text for the demo |
| 03:07.32 | ChipX86 | you know, our masked input character sucks |
| 03:07.39 | ChipX86 | it's time for a stylish one |
| 03:09.53 | numist | oh hell, vmware stole my control and wont give it back :( |
| 03:09.58 | ChipX86 | control-alt |
| 03:10.03 | numist | Ive dont that |
| 03:10.06 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 03:10.06 | numist | done* |
| 03:10.08 | ChipX86 | your control key is gone? |
| 03:10.09 | numist | many many times |
| 03:10.15 | numist | no, vmware wont return control |
| 03:10.17 | numist | it wont release |
| 03:10.17 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 03:10.19 | numist | yeah |
| 03:10.24 | ChipX86 | that's no good |
| 03:10.28 | numist | no, its really not |
| 03:10.36 | numist | host os responds to ctrl-alt-del, but I cant do anything with that |
| 03:10.55 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 03:11.12 | numist | hey sweet, it came out ok with an unrecoverable error.. where do you want me to send that? |
| 03:11.24 | ChipX86 | christian@vmware.com |
| 03:11.29 | numist | one moment |
| 03:13.20 | numist | you want the whole log, or a decent tail? |
| 03:13.32 | ChipX86 | whole log |
| 03:13.39 | ChipX86 | I can't promise anything |
| 03:13.52 | numist | of course, but I gotta send it somewhere to get looked at :) |
| 03:13.56 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 03:14.10 | numist | haha zip is awesome.. 4% |
| 03:14.49 | ChipX86 | bzip2? |
| 03:15.15 | numist | no, normal zip -- windows machine |
| 03:15.20 | ChipX86 | I mean can you bzip2? |
| 03:16.54 | numist | ah, sure, lemme send it over to athena |
| 03:18.10 | ChipX86 | pfft |
| 03:18.13 | numist | what? |
| 03:18.21 | ChipX86 | .gtkrc doesn't let you set properties on things |
| 03:18.44 | numist | silly gtk |
| 03:19.23 | numist | oye bzip is so slow |
| 03:22.23 | scanlime | woof.... |
| 03:22.27 | numist | sent |
| 03:22.40 | scanlime | tasty gyros |
| 03:22.48 | ChipX86 | I should go home sometime |
| 03:22.53 | numist | ooh, I could use one of those |
| 03:22.57 | numist | ChipX86: you're still at work? :o |
| 03:23.00 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 03:23.11 | numist | I retract that email until you get to work tomorrow |
| 03:23.43 | scanlime | ChipX86: while you're at work, can you figure out why my windows build isn't working? :) |
| 03:23.48 | ChipX86 | no :) |
| 03:23.53 | ChipX86 | I have way too much to do |
| 03:25.42 | scanlime | ChipX86: wanna come to boulder with me? the weekend before halloween? |
| 03:25.44 | scanlime | you know you want to |
| 03:25.48 | scanlime | and no vacation days necessary |
| 03:25.55 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r305 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog libsexy/sexy-icon-entry.c tests/test-icon-entry.c): Added working Right-To-Left support and multi-icon support. Updated the test program. Seriously, go loook at it, now. It rocks. |
| 03:25.56 | ChipX86 | I'm with family that weekend |
| 03:26.03 | scanlime | ditch them ;) |
| 03:26.38 | scanlime | either way, you need to leave work |
| 03:26.58 | scanlime | you could come over to my place, and we could drink tequilla and play riskopoly until 5 in the morning! |
| 03:27.06 | scanlime | except I'm sweaty and half-naked.. I'd have to fix that first |
| 03:33.12 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r306 10libsexy/tests/test-icon-entry.c: Some stylistic fixups to the test program. |
| 03:34.06 | scanlime | some bozo is messing with my door buzzer... |
| 03:34.44 | numist | damndamndamndamn |
| 03:34.53 | numist | the usb subsystem crashed windows |
| 03:34.59 | ChipX86 | scanlime's fault |
| 03:35.05 | numist | not vmware, windows |
| 03:35.07 | scanlime | haha.. it was a pizza guy |
| 03:35.08 | numist | I dont blame scanlime |
| 03:35.53 | scanlime | he had the right apartment number, wrong building |
| 03:35.54 | ChipX86 | did you accept the pizza? |
| 03:35.54 | scanlime | nah... it was pizza hut |
| 03:35.54 | numist | a power source for my external drive died, killing the drive, which sucked all power from a pcmcia usb2.0 widget, which died, and then windows followed |
| 03:35.55 | numist | I guess thats not the usb subsystem, but the pcmcia subsystem |
| 03:35.56 | scanlime | numist: good job |
| 03:35.59 | numist | thanks |
| 03:36.04 | numist | didnt expect the power to go out :( |
| 03:36.38 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/screenshots/libsexy/sexyiconentry-1.png |
| 03:37.05 | scanlime | that's cute |
| 03:37.13 | numist | thats waiting for deer part |
| 03:37.17 | numist | ugh my fingers today |
| 03:38.12 | scanlime | I'm going to have to do that more often... |
| 03:39.17 | numist | what is the purpose of vmware-authd |
| 03:39.34 | scanlime | authentication :) |
| 03:39.51 | numist | well yes |
| 03:40.03 | numist | but, like trusted computing... who is authenticating what, and why? |
| 03:40.09 | numist | it certainly isnt system-critical |
| 03:40.18 | scanlime | IIRC it's a privileged process that hands out access to vmware's drivers |
| 03:40.42 | numist | alrighty.. I was getting an evil Genuine Advantage tingle :/ |
| 03:40.55 | scanlime | heh |
| 03:41.04 | scanlime | no |
| 03:41.09 | numist | yay |
| 03:43.48 | numist | ooh fancy widgets, chippy |
| 03:44.16 | scanlime | oww... |
| 03:44.24 | scanlime | $450 to fly back for thanksgiving |
| 03:44.28 | numist | :( |
| 03:44.37 | scanlime | damn peak travel days.. |
| 03:44.46 | numist | scanlime: are you from colorado originally (lived there since *)? |
| 03:44.47 | scanlime | that's more than I paid to get to Italy |
| 03:44.52 | file[laptop] | scanlime: I can loan you a sled dog! |
| 03:45.03 | scanlime | numist: I was actually born near houston, but lived in colorado since I was two years old |
| 03:45.23 | numist | :) |
| 03:45.31 | numist | I wont tell anyone your secret |
| 03:46.30 | scanlime | thanks |
| 03:53.26 | laodamas | Damn texan scum. Taking our land, our boozes, and our women. |
| 03:53.35 | kergoth | mm, boozes and women |
| 03:56.10 | scanlime | heh |
| 03:56.43 | ChipX86 | ok, going home |
| 03:58.11 | file[laptop] | bye bye Chip |
| 04:10.40 | hardwire | so wasim is in pakastan? |
| 04:10.45 | hardwire | oops.. wrong channel |
| 04:11.19 | hardwire | scanlime: I was concieved in texas.. then born and raised in colorado.. I share your pain. |
| 04:12.50 | file[laptop] | hardwire: wasim is there yeah, he did an embedded IAX2 phone thingy |
| 04:13.17 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:13.27 | hardwire | just readin on the http://quakehelp.blogspot.com/2005/10/urgently-needed-asterisk-linux-servers.html page |
| 04:13.45 | file[laptop] | oh that yeah |
| 04:14.21 | scanlime | these plane ticket prices are depressing |
| 04:14.35 | scanlime | $350 or so bare minimum, and I can easily spend $550 if I want good flight times |
| 04:14.52 | purple_cow | os |
| 04:14.57 | purple_cow | to where? |
| 04:14.58 | hardwire | most of my travels up here start at $800 and go up from there |
| 04:15.00 | numist | scanlime: road trip? |
| 04:15.07 | scanlime | purple_cow: just going to denver... but over thanksgiving |
| 04:16.48 | hardwire | the thought occured to go to either colorado (my family) or california (g/f's mom) over thanksgiving |
| 04:16.58 | hardwire | I think we are just gonna shack up like little eskimos though |
| 04:17.03 | hardwire | and chiiilll out |
| 04:17.14 | scanlime | prolly wise.. |
| 04:17.28 | hardwire | I hope |
| 04:17.33 | scanlime | I'd like to take advantage of the two days I get off from work, and come back to colorado.. plus my grandmother's in town that week |
| 04:17.36 | hardwire | assuming we don't destroy eachother. |
| 04:17.41 | scanlime | but damn, this is expensive |
| 04:17.51 | hardwire | thats why you get payed the big bucks |
| 04:18.27 | numist | scanlime: its only a days drive |
| 04:18.56 | hardwire | numist: a days really fast drive + extra headache |
| 04:19.14 | hardwire | hell .. the plane is going to fly anyways.. w or w/o scanline.. might as well use its pollutants :) |
| 04:19.15 | numist | hardwire: I do long trips a lot.. really fast isnt as important as really efficient :) |
| 04:19.27 | scanlime | numist: I've done the drive three times, not looking forward to doing it again |
| 04:19.29 | numist | someone else will fill the seat Im sure.. it is thanksgiving weekend |
| 04:19.47 | numist | scanlime: too bad.. I was halfway looking for a reason to go visit an old friend who recently got committed |
| 04:20.47 | hardwire | frontal lobe issues? |
| 04:20.54 | numist | actually yes |
| 04:21.07 | hardwire | its quite common |
| 04:21.13 | hardwire | schizophrenia |
| 04:21.29 | numist | well, no, but he cracked under the pressure and never resealed |
| 04:21.36 | hardwire | doh |
| 04:22.36 | numist | http://pastebin.com/393106 <-- people playing with CIA in my channel... they love that bot |
| 04:23.21 | scanlime | hah |
| 04:23.26 | hardwire | aww.. I am all out of rice crackers |
| 04:23.28 | hardwire | boo hoo |
| 04:23.42 | scanlime | numist: it's kinda amazing how stuff like that just spreads by word of mouth |
| 04:23.51 | numist | yeah |
| 04:23.56 | numist | actually they found out accidentally |
| 04:24.03 | numist | all of them |
| 04:24.04 | scanlime | all of those? |
| 04:24.05 | scanlime | hah |
| 04:24.07 | scanlime | crazy |
| 04:24.10 | hardwire | you know mind21_98 numist? |
| 04:24.12 | hardwire | he is my buddy |
| 04:24.22 | numist | hardwire: !? |
| 04:24.34 | hardwire | what channel is that? |
| 04:24.35 | numist | he's another student at the college I went/am gong to go to |
| 04:24.49 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:24.51 | numist | #sdcolleges@shadowfire |
| 04:24.58 | numist | I'm actually screened from his simpli box |
| 04:25.08 | numist | ... |
| 04:25.14 | numist | how do you know mind21_9#? |
| 04:25.25 | hardwire | he has been a partaker in a channel I am in on freenode for years |
| 04:25.35 | hardwire | I knew him when he still lived w/ folks in riverside |
| 04:26.11 | numist | ... wow |
| 04:26.21 | hardwire | I guess.. before college :) |
| 04:26.22 | numist | he's a really cool guy |
| 04:26.30 | hardwire | I have never actually seen him though |
| 04:26.33 | numist | yes, although he takes his summer courses at UCR |
| 04:26.47 | numist | him and I hack/eat/do stuff together... |
| 04:26.51 | scanlime | hehe.. nucular foilage |
| 04:26.56 | hardwire | rawr? |
| 04:26.56 | numist | he's a funny guy, a little bit of a nerve-case in person |
| 04:27.09 | hardwire | wow I have the farts |
| 04:27.16 | numist | ... |
| 04:27.25 | hardwire | green tea seems to do that to me |
| 04:27.50 | numist | mooneer gets around.. what chan on freenode do you see him in? |
| 04:28.51 | hardwire | #lcdproc |
| 04:29.05 | scanlime | hehe, lcdproc |
| 04:29.12 | scanlime | I actually tried to use that a while back... |
| 04:29.17 | hardwire | A friend of mine started that channel when we got our first MatrixOrbital display |
| 04:29.22 | hardwire | scanlime: I wouldn't |
| 04:29.35 | scanlime | hardwire: I ended up ditching it, only after I'd written a driver for the mi6k :P |
| 04:29.41 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:29.46 | hardwire | its a good monitoring daemon |
| 04:30.03 | scanlime | sucks for HTPCs |
| 04:30.07 | hardwire | I wanted to explode those functions into what seems to be a ton of other daemons |
| 04:30.27 | hardwire | well |
| 04:30.30 | hardwire | its not meant for that |
| 04:30.50 | hardwire | I would think a large pixel VFD would be the best |
| 04:31.06 | purple_cow | well that was...different |
| 04:31.10 | scanlime | just try and find one of those for less than a small fortune |
| 04:31.24 | hardwire | scanlime: just can't get a larger dot eh? |
| 04:31.34 | scanlime | er |
| 04:31.44 | scanlime | you're talking about dot matrix VFDs vs charactar matrix VFDs, right? |
| 04:31.50 | hardwire | dot |
| 04:31.56 | scanlime | right |
| 04:32.03 | scanlime | I haven't seen any of those reasonably priced |
| 04:32.13 | hardwire | define reasonable? |
| 04:32.14 | scanlime | all the cheap surplus VFDs I see are designed for cash registers |
| 04:32.18 | hardwire | ah |
| 04:32.20 | scanlime | uh.. less than $100? :P |
| 04:32.22 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:32.27 | numist | in other news, small LCD monitors are 19 - 20": http://www.consumer.philips.com/lcdmonitors/2/ |
| 04:32.32 | hardwire | small fortune to me == $500 |
| 04:32.37 | scanlime | the nice 20x2 large character VFDs purple_cow and I have were $20 surplus |
| 04:33.14 | hardwire | scanlime: those are damn cheap |
| 04:33.28 | scanlime | very limited stock.. they didn't last long |
| 04:33.36 | scanlime | and it was at one of my favorite online surplus stores |
| 04:33.38 | hardwire | so when you say character matrix do you mean dot matrix chars? |
| 04:33.55 | hardwire | w/ programmable character sets |
| 04:33.59 | scanlime | I mean similar to the HD44780s... right |
| 04:34.12 | hardwire | is that what you are referring too? |
| 04:34.15 | scanlime | 5x7 or so characters, with built-in CGROM plus maybe 8 programmable characters |
| 04:34.18 | hardwire | that was my first pic project actually. |
| 04:34.24 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:34.26 | scanlime | well, this doesn't actually use the HD44780 interface, but it's similar |
| 04:34.39 | hardwire | well |
| 04:34.39 | hardwire | hmm |
| 04:34.45 | hardwire | thats pretty cheap |
| 04:34.55 | scanlime | there's actually a HD44780 compatibility mode, but the serial mode is a lot nicer |
| 04:35.03 | scanlime | yeah.. you don't see a deal like that too often |
| 04:35.07 | hardwire | you could have like put two 1-2 line ones next to eachother and made a pretty nice display.. if it was presented behind a tinted window |
| 04:35.11 | scanlime | though I saw some at all electronics that were almost as cheap |
| 04:35.15 | purple_cow | hehehehe |
| 04:35.29 | scanlime | :) |
| 04:35.36 | hardwire | purple_cow: its in my netflix queue |
| 04:35.42 | hardwire | g/f keeps pushing it to lower priority |
| 04:35.46 | scanlime | hardwire: you could make a huge stack of 'em and create a big teletype display |
| 04:35.55 | scanlime | hardwire: it's only about 0.7 amps per 2 lines! |
| 04:36.00 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:36.06 | numist | .7 amps! :o |
| 04:36.15 | scanlime | VFDs are power hogs |
| 04:36.17 | scanlime | oink oink |
| 04:36.26 | purple_cow | soundtrack is damn cool |
| 04:36.33 | hardwire | thats why they seemed slightly modulated on hp calcs |
| 04:36.41 | hardwire | to make them last longer.. heh |
| 04:36.52 | scanlime | I mean, VFDs are basically big vacuum tubes... they need a high voltage supply for the plates, and a low voltage high current supply for the heater wires |
| 04:37.16 | hardwire | and that makes light eh |
| 04:37.31 | scanlime | the plates have a phosphor coating |
| 04:37.39 | scanlime | there's a perforated grid in front of the plates |
| 04:37.51 | scanlime | the whole thing is heated, electrons flow between the grid and the plates |
| 04:37.55 | scanlime | they strike the phosphor |
| 04:37.59 | scanlime | yep, big vacuum tube |
| 04:38.05 | hardwire | in other news.. tub based dishwashers are in style.. |
| 04:38.08 | nullpuppy | yay! /me just finished making fudge |
| 04:38.14 | hardwire | why this wasn't invented decades ago.. I just don't know |
| 04:38.18 | nullpuppy | hopefully it'll turn out properly this time.. :) |
| 04:38.51 | scanlime | hey, I'm making fudge too! |
| 04:38.56 | nullpuppy | yay! |
| 04:39.01 | scanlime | mine is made of whiskey, coca-cola, and ice cubes |
| 04:39.14 | nullpuppy | ooh, tastey |
| 04:39.22 | nullpuppy | i have two of the three requirements for that |
| 04:39.28 | nullpuppy | lacking the critical ingredient though |
| 04:39.30 | scanlime | out of ice? |
| 04:39.42 | hardwire | no glass? |
| 04:39.54 | scanlime | hardwire: glass is bad for your throat |
| 04:40.21 | numist | >_< haha |
| 04:40.51 | nullpuppy | no whiskey :( |
| 04:40.52 | hardwire | http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=NB24BSAB |
| 04:40.55 | hardwire | my monitors |
| 04:41.16 | hardwire | what I should have gone for.. |
| 04:41.19 | hardwire | http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=CK32PSNB |
| 04:41.26 | nullpuppy | I could have an.. interesting drink similar to it though.. using baileys... :) |
| 04:41.30 | hardwire | so I can like.. place them on a wall far from the computer.. and excersize my eyes |
| 04:41.32 | nullpuppy | thats irish whiskey with cream.. |
| 04:41.48 | scanlime | nullpuppy: haha.. baileys and coca-cola? that's a new one on me |
| 04:41.54 | nullpuppy | actually.. wiht some vanilla coke, that might actually be already |
| 04:41.55 | scanlime | normally I'm a big fan of bailey's, but... |
| 04:41.58 | nullpuppy | scanlime: hehe, yeah |
| 04:42.07 | nullpuppy | erm.. s/already/alright/ |
| 04:42.10 | kergoth | mmmm, disaronno |
| 04:42.12 | hardwire | hmm |
| 04:42.21 | hardwire | I have vodka and orange juice.. thats it |
| 04:42.25 | nullpuppy | haven't have disaronno, whats it like? |
| 04:42.27 | scanlime | it's a good thing flat coke isn't all that bad as a mixer |
| 04:42.28 | nullpuppy | I have homebrew |
| 04:42.31 | hardwire | and a lonely undrunk beer in the fridge |
| 04:42.32 | nullpuppy | yay homebrew! |
| 04:42.55 | scanlime | ! |
| 04:43.02 | scanlime | makin my coke all flat and stuff |
| 04:43.04 | kergoth | nullpuppy: its like.. a really, really smooth amaretto, afaict |
| 04:43.08 | hardwire | hmm |
| 04:43.12 | scanlime | yes |
| 04:43.14 | nullpuppy | hmm, ok |
| 04:43.20 | hardwire | scanlime: get a pump thingy for the bottle |
| 04:43.26 | scanlime | amaretto == yummy... I think that might have been my first drink actually |
| 04:43.31 | scanlime | hardwire: yeah, I should next time I get coke |
| 04:43.33 | hardwire | we have an oxygenator pump |
| 04:43.37 | hardwire | like thing |
| 04:43.47 | hardwire | and I bubble up cranberry juice |
| 04:43.54 | hardwire | for cranberry vodkas for el lady |
| 04:44.10 | nullpuppy | hopefully I'll be able to pick up the ingredients soonish for it too |
| 04:44.10 | hardwire | nullpuppy: sounds sugary |
| 04:44.15 | scanlime | you need an AC outlet in your fridge so you can run one of those fish tank pumps through your drinks 24/7 |
| 04:44.19 | nullpuppy | http://www.skotrat.com/skotrat/recipes/ale/stout/recipes/76.html |
| 04:44.21 | nullpuppy | hardwire: ^^ |
| 04:44.25 | scanlime | you open the fridge and it's a sea of little bubbles, all alike! |
| 04:44.48 | hardwire | scanlime: a refrigerated autoclave? |
| 04:44.59 | scanlime | hah, no |
| 04:45.07 | hardwire | make the turkey bubble |
| 04:45.14 | hardwire | speaking of which |
| 04:45.26 | purple_cow | "Ann-Marie? Do the interns get glocks?" "No, they all share one" |
| 04:45.29 | scanlime | does woody allen ever actually *play* a character, or is he always like this? |
| 04:45.30 | hardwire | I was in NY.. a friends mom drove in from Colorado with the famous Bing cherries |
| 04:45.37 | hardwire | but tehy were totally bubbly when we got them |
| 04:45.41 | hardwire | cause they were in a ziplock |
| 04:45.48 | hardwire | I love elevation |
| 04:46.00 | hardwire | maybe I should just have a refrigerator that can change elevation |
| 04:46.09 | scanlime | that would rock |
| 04:46.16 | purple_cow | scanlime: like which? |
| 04:46.16 | scanlime | especially the noise it would make when you open it |
| 04:46.20 | ChipX86 | yay home |
| 04:46.22 | scanlime | k-click.. psssssssshhhhh.... |
| 04:46.36 | hardwire | mine makes that when you close it |
| 04:46.42 | scanlime | rock! |
| 04:46.50 | scanlime | lobster? |
| 04:46.59 | hardwire | you get it w/in a few mm.. and it sucks the door closed for you and seals it |
| 04:47.02 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:47.06 | nullpuppy | yay family guy! |
| 04:47.07 | hardwire | kinda annoying when you forget to put something up.. |
| 04:47.36 | hardwire | anyways.. why are fridges so noisy? |
| 04:47.56 | hardwire | like.. a house isn't a house if you can't hear the fridge three rooms away |
| 04:48.18 | hardwire | scanlime: do the bus thing then.. that way you don't have to drive :) |
| 04:48.20 | scanlime | hardwire: I was so proud when the fridge again became the loudest thing in my apartment |
| 04:48.31 | scanlime | bus.. to colorado? |
| 04:48.40 | hardwire | just another alternative |
| 04:48.52 | hardwire | scanlime: you got rid of navinoise? |
| 04:49.02 | scanlime | really, the vacation time is more valuable to me than the money... I just don't like spending this much on a plane ticket |
| 04:49.11 | scanlime | hardwire: long ago |
| 04:49.19 | scanlime | we stuck navi in a closet downstairs... |
| 04:49.24 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:49.34 | hardwire | what stuck your fridge out as now the loudest thing? |
| 04:49.35 | scanlime | and here in wonderful sunny california I have my mini-navi, which is pretty quiet |
| 04:49.42 | scanlime | plus all my equipment is in a closet thingy now |
| 04:50.07 | scanlime | well, wasabi plus mini-navi were louder than the fridge before I fixed a couple fans and put them in a closet |
| 04:50.17 | hardwire | whats mini-navi comprised of? |
| 04:50.30 | hardwire | mmm.. I have wasabi peas.. I should eat them |
| 04:50.31 | scanlime | majick |
| 04:50.34 | scanlime | and.. I have pictures |
| 04:50.55 | purple_cow | hehe, wild snow mongoose |
| 04:51.02 | purple_cow | what a cool movie |
| 04:51.06 | hardwire | I think my next house I am going to rip the crap out of the bathroom and make a 3 foot tall tub |
| 04:51.13 | scanlime | hardwire: http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/navi-usb |
| 04:51.19 | scanlime | hardwire: homemade 4-disk USB enclosure plus an NSLU2 |
| 04:51.41 | scanlime | it's working quite nicely |
| 04:51.51 | scanlime | and all run off a little mini-atx supply |
| 04:52.01 | hardwire | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/navi-usb/p1010011 |
| 04:52.04 | numist | oh you got the nslu2 already? |
| 04:52.06 | hardwire | whats that funky IDE cable? |
| 04:52.07 | numist | very nice |
| 04:52.15 | scanlime | numist: I've had a couple NSLU2s for ages |
| 04:52.20 | numist | didnt know that |
| 04:52.21 | numist | got a spare? |
| 04:52.26 | hardwire | NSLU2? |
| 04:52.35 | scanlime | hardwire: that cable is a USB adaptor |
| 04:52.39 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:52.44 | hardwire | I have something similar |
| 04:52.48 | hardwire | just not that small |
| 04:52.55 | hardwire | is that jacketed directly in the plastic? |
| 04:53.01 | scanlime | ya |
| 04:53.05 | hardwire | what a pain in the butt |
| 04:53.09 | scanlime | er |
| 04:53.10 | scanlime | no |
| 04:53.13 | scanlime | it's a snap-together case |
| 04:53.22 | numist | yeah, real easy to take apart |
| 04:53.23 | scanlime | comes apart real easy |
| 04:53.28 | hardwire | so mini-navi is held together w/ duct tape? |
| 04:53.29 | scanlime | and it's real easy to take apart! |
| 04:53.32 | scanlime | no.. |
| 04:53.34 | numist | hehe |
| 04:53.49 | scanlime | the duct tape is just to make it look cool, and to cover up the rough edges |
| 04:53.54 | scanlime | it's held together with plastic cement |
| 04:53.57 | scanlime | and screws |
| 04:54.43 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:54.51 | hardwire | whats an NSLU2 doing running linux? |
| 04:55.06 | scanlime | NSLU2s don't run anything else, AFAIK |
| 04:55.11 | hardwire | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/buildfarms/IMG_0290 |
| 04:55.11 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:55.17 | hardwire | well I first had to figure out what it was |
| 04:55.49 | scanlime | hah, that's cute |
| 04:55.50 | scanlime | well |
| 04:55.58 | scanlime | my NSLU2s run openslug |
| 04:56.05 | scanlime | 2.6 kernel with OE |
| 04:56.13 | hardwire | well.. what are they. |
| 04:56.16 | hardwire | exactly |
| 04:56.20 | scanlime | got root filesystems on a 512MB flash disk |
| 04:56.21 | scanlime | eh |
| 04:56.31 | scanlime | the NSLU2 is just an XScale machine with ethernet and USB 2 |
| 04:56.43 | scanlime | they're sold as a network-attached-storage appliance, running linux |
| 04:56.44 | hardwire | sold for which means? |
| 04:56.46 | hardwire | ah |
| 04:56.46 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:56.48 | scanlime | but they run redboot |
| 04:56.52 | scanlime | so you can load your own stuffs on them trivially |
| 04:56.54 | hardwire | whats the little header on the bottom for? |
| 04:56.59 | scanlime | header? |
| 04:57.10 | scanlime | you mean the hole I cut in mine? |
| 04:57.17 | scanlime | that was for the serial console |
| 04:57.19 | hardwire | I didn't see anything of that |
| 04:57.40 | hardwire | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/hardware |
| 04:57.42 | hardwire | see first picture |
| 04:57.59 | scanlime | slow site... |
| 04:58.06 | scanlime | oh |
| 04:58.22 | scanlime | that's someone's hardware mod.. big header that includes serial, JTAG, and some other stuff |
| 04:58.30 | hardwire | ah |
| 04:58.38 | scanlime | they don't come with anything like that |
| 04:58.41 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:58.45 | scanlime | but there are pads where you can easily add serial or JTAG |
| 04:59.00 | file[laptop] | it's just a small little thing |
| 04:59.02 | hardwire | so they have 512 megs of flash? |
| 04:59.05 | file[laptop] | er such |
| 04:59.13 | scanlime | hardwire: no, I put a 512MB usb stick on mine |
| 04:59.15 | hardwire | how many mhz is the xscale? |
| 04:59.18 | hardwire | ah |
| 04:59.18 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:59.21 | scanlime | I think the built-in flash is 4MB or something |
| 04:59.23 | scanlime | it's pretty small |
| 04:59.34 | scanlime | normally it's 133 MHz.. but they actually underclock it |
| 04:59.36 | hardwire | I WILL PUT DEBIAN ON IT! |
| 04:59.42 | scanlime | you can yank one resistor off and it becomes 266 MHz |
| 04:59.47 | hardwire | and melts |
| 04:59.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:59.52 | scanlime | nah, runs fine |
| 05:00.07 | hardwire | are these still mainstream? |
| 05:00.14 | scanlime | yes |
| 05:00.17 | hardwire | no kitten |
| 05:00.18 | kergoth | OE and scratchbox got excellent mentions from wookey in his embedded debian presentation :D |
| 05:00.24 | scanlime | nice! |
| 05:00.29 | numist | hrm.. anyone know where I can get a 7" VGA LCD monitor? |
| 05:00.31 | kergoth | he readily admits emdebian isnt ready for mainstream, and if you need something that works, go use oe |
| 05:00.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:00.39 | hardwire | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Product_C2%26cid%3D1115416906769&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 05:00.50 | hardwire | kergoth: I do it my own way.. heh.. |
| 05:00.55 | scanlime | I had a lot of fun running ARM-debian on my zaurus a while ago, off an NFS root |
| 05:01.15 | hardwire | scanlime: get a gig mmc :) |
| 05:01.17 | kergoth | debian is great, and their developer pool is impressive, but their tools, infrastructure, and packaging still arent ready for embedded use |
| 05:01.25 | kergoth | hopefully thatll change eventually |
| 05:01.27 | scanlime | hardwire: I have no use for a PDA |
| 05:01.36 | scanlime | hardwire: got a symbian series 60 phone coming in on monday :) |
| 05:01.39 | kergoth | my pdas collect a lot of dust in my closet |
| 05:01.47 | hardwire | kergoth: not to drudge on about it.. I got debian working w/ squashfs+unionfs and called it good |
| 05:01.57 | hardwire | gave it a means to restore its brain.. and save its state |
| 05:01.58 | scanlime | I love and hate unionfs... it's so buggy |
| 05:02.08 | kergoth | unionfs is great .. in theory |
| 05:02.11 | kergoth | i think that sums it up |
| 05:02.12 | purple_cow | yeah... |
| 05:02.18 | hardwire | so really uneffecient actually |
| 05:02.21 | hardwire | one partition for boot |
| 05:02.24 | hardwire | one for squashfs |
| 05:02.27 | scanlime | it's not that inefficient |
| 05:02.29 | scanlime | it's just buggy |
| 05:02.33 | hardwire | well |
| 05:02.34 | file[laptop] | I should wobble to sleep |
| 05:02.35 | hardwire | my way is very bad |
| 05:02.38 | kergoth | it _still_ suffers from kernel panic issues |
| 05:02.40 | kergoth | after how long now? |
| 05:02.42 | hardwire | I have two more partitions |
| 05:02.42 | kergoth | its sad |
| 05:02.44 | hardwire | same size |
| 05:02.47 | scanlime | kergoth: exactly |
| 05:02.47 | hardwire | for the overlay |
| 05:02.48 | kergoth | they shouldve stabilized it by now |
| 05:02.59 | hardwire | one is ext3 and holds static state data for themachine |
| 05:03.06 | hardwire | the other is the live ext3 filesystem |
| 05:03.14 | hardwire | thats mounted on top of the squashfs root |
| 05:03.15 | scanlime | the machine! |
| 05:03.20 | scanlime | (squash) |
| 05:03.25 | hardwire | I squashed it |
| 05:03.39 | scanlime | why is there a perl module just for statvfs()? |
| 05:03.52 | hardwire | perl is very modular. |
| 05:04.02 | scanlime | perl is annoying |
| 05:04.07 | hardwire | perl is not python. |
| 05:04.07 | ChipX86 | there needs to be more perl modules. There aren't enough! |
| 05:04.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:04.25 | scanlime | hardwire: yes.. python doesn't spend an hour converting every .h file it can find on my system |
| 05:04.29 | numist | ooh, sweet, submit that to cpan |
| 05:04.33 | kergoth | Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh |
| 05:04.35 | hardwire | I cannot believe how fast zope/plone is w/ zope 2.7 and newer python |
| 05:04.38 | hardwire | esp w/o debug mode |
| 05:09.09 | scanlime | genuine Norkia (tm) accessories |
| 05:09.47 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:10.07 | hardwire | I love ab |
| 05:10.21 | kergoth | scanlime: the one thing i wish this phone had.. and maybe i can buy it.. is a charging cradle that can charge a secondary battery as well as the phone itself |
| 05:10.28 | kergoth | i used to have one of those on my nokia 5100 series |
| 05:10.48 | kergoth | being able to just swap in a fully charge spare battery when i forget to charge the primary would be /really/ nice |
| 05:10.54 | numist | hardwire: de donde eres? |
| 05:11.04 | hardwire | numist: engrish prease. |
| 05:11.12 | numist | where are y'all from |
| 05:11.13 | kergoth | ~/ watch out where the huskies go, dont you eat that yellow snow! /~ |
| 05:11.21 | numist | ah yukon |
| 05:11.34 | numist | er. alaska |
| 05:11.54 | hardwire | anchorage/colorado |
| 05:11.55 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:11.59 | numist | ... |
| 05:12.07 | hardwire | one after the other. |
| 05:12.17 | numist | I see |
| 05:12.38 | numist | previously colorado, I imagine... what prompted the move to alaska? |
| 05:13.28 | hardwire | I would dig it if gnome-terminal grokked 6x9 |
| 05:13.37 | hardwire | numist: the equator :) |
| 05:14.19 | purple_cow | "don't point that gun at him. he's an unpaid intern" |
| 05:14.25 | numist | I see... |
| 05:14.51 | purple_cow | what a cool movie |
| 05:16.12 | kergoth | starrrr trekkin, across the universe. bolding moving forward 'cause we can't find reverse |
| 05:16.19 | kergoth | s/bolding/boldly/ |
| 05:18.49 | scanlime | ooh, nice |
| 05:18.56 | scanlime | found some thanksgiving tickets for a mere $380 |
| 05:19.16 | scanlime | they get way cheaper if you can actually come back early monday morning |
| 05:19.41 | scanlime | I won't be back in SFO until 10:20 AM, but with vmware's flexy-schedule I can just go into work a couple hours later than usual that day |
| 05:20.13 | kergoth | aww, the camera on new nokia is worse than my old nokia 3650 :( |
| 05:20.15 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/images/chris/chris19.jpg |
| 05:20.18 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/images/chris/chris20.jpg |
| 05:20.30 | scanlime | hopefully I can rig this so I spend a couple days with family then spend the weekend in Boulder |
| 05:20.40 | scanlime | since by then I'm sure I'll be yearning for some more time with you fine folks |
| 05:20.47 | kergoth | awfully grainy |
| 05:21.09 | scanlime | grains are good for you |
| 05:21.26 | scanlime | still.. resize that by 60% or so and stick it in a blog, and it won't look too bad |
| 05:21.44 | scanlime | I think that's about all I'll use my camera for... mobile photo-blogging |
| 05:21.47 | kergoth | its a phone, after all |
| 05:21.53 | kergoth | if i want good quality, i'll buy a digital camera |
| 05:22.05 | scanlime | if only my digital camera did bluetooth :) |
| 05:22.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:22.22 | scanlime | then I could have it zap the photo over to my phone's MMC card then the phone could spend the next 24 hours uploading it over GPRS |
| 05:23.01 | scanlime | I'm sure high quality cameraphones won't really take off until phone data networks are faster and cheaper |
| 05:23.24 | kergoth | scanlime: what is cool, with the rotatable part of the phone, i can take a picture of myself and look at myself on the lcd before taking the picture |
| 05:23.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:23.33 | scanlime | yeah |
| 05:23.42 | scanlime | I still don't trust nokia to make hinges |
| 05:23.55 | kergoth | yeah.. still kinda worried about that |
| 05:23.56 | scanlime | more than I trust apple to, granted, but that's not saying much |
| 05:24.01 | kergoth | but then, i was worried with my clamshell pdas too |
| 05:24.05 | kergoth | and they held up fine |
| 05:24.06 | numist | scanlime: since you did a ton of research.. whats a decent contrast rating for a lcd display? |
| 05:24.17 | scanlime | numist: for what? |
| 05:24.37 | numist | scanlime: 7" lcd vga monitors |
| 05:24.38 | numist | for my car |
| 05:24.40 | scanlime | 500:1 was a pretty high end contrast ratio on computer monitors last time I looked.. but that was a while ago |
| 05:24.42 | scanlime | er |
| 05:24.53 | scanlime | on a car you might want a transflective display |
| 05:25.03 | scanlime | something that will work in sunlight or with a backlight |
| 05:25.14 | numist | its tft |
| 05:25.22 | scanlime | that's not what I'm talking about |
| 05:25.24 | numist | Ill only really use it at night, I'm not worried so much |
| 05:25.39 | scanlime | why worry about contrast ratio at all? you don't care that much about image quality in the car do you? |
| 05:26.22 | numist | not horribly, but it seems like I might have a small handful of options to choose from |
| 05:26.35 | scanlime | LCD contrast sucks for televisions... I think the very high-end LCDs were 1000:1, whereas my reasonably priced plasma TV is more like 3000:1 |
| 05:26.35 | numist | Im just trying to think of how this stacks up against my monitors here |
| 05:26.42 | numist | wow |
| 05:26.46 | purple_cow | i think the highest-end monitors are 1000:1 now, and most good ones are 700 or 800 |
| 05:37.57 | scanlime | why do all airlines have to have such annoying web ordering systems? |
| 05:38.44 | scanlime | what does "Record could not be ended" mean as an error message? |
| 05:39.36 | ChipX86 | skipping track? |
| 05:42.27 | hardwire | night |
| 05:43.33 | numist | later |
| 05:45.10 | ChipX86 | I am cracking up so hard |
| 05:45.18 | ChipX86 | "911 operator tells caller fire is actually fog. Historic fort catches fog, burns to ground" |
| 05:45.25 | numist | ROFL |
| 05:45.44 | numist | fark? |
| 05:45.47 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 05:45.53 | numist | very nice |
| 05:45.57 | ChipX86 | Jamie and I are in laughing fits |
| 05:46.12 | numist | phone? |
| 05:46.13 | ChipX86 | due to that and another one |
| 05:46.13 | scanlime | ooh.. good job united, your broken ordering system caused me to find a slightly cheaper flight at frontier |
| 05:46.13 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:49.50 | scanlime | erg, no.. that flight gets me back at work at 11 PM, not AM |
| 05:49.52 | scanlime | grr |
| 05:50.24 | scanlime | why can't flying be more like taking public transportation? |
| 05:50.47 | numist | because it isnt public |
| 05:52.01 | scanlime | but wouldn't it be cool if it was? pre-set schedules, just show up at the airport, give a couple hundred bucks to the pilot, and find a seat |
| 05:52.34 | numist | haha |
| 05:52.46 | numist | yes, that would be cool, if not inefficient if you think of how many empty busses there are these days |
| 05:53.08 | scanlime | nah, it's all because jet fuel is so expensive these days |
| 05:53.17 | scanlime | once solar powered jet engines are popular, air travel will be cheap and easy |
| 05:53.29 | numist | ... |
| 05:53.32 | numist | right, thatll happen real soon |
| 05:53.38 | scanlime | you just have to find a way to make sunlight combustible |
| 05:53.56 | numist | but its a byproduct of combustion |
| 05:53.58 | numist | kinda... |
| 05:54.05 | scanlime | no, you're thinking backwards |
| 05:54.14 | scanlime | what kind of fungineer are you? |
| 05:54.51 | numist | :) |
| 05:55.01 | numist | you're absolutely right |
| 05:55.41 | ChipX86 | so am I |
| 05:55.55 | numist | yes, you are absolutely right as well |
| 05:57.24 | scanlime | gah |
| 05:57.28 | scanlime | these airfares are depressing me |
| 05:57.40 | numist | :( |
| 05:57.42 | purple_cow | scanlime: that's what you get for travelling thanksgiving weekend |
| 05:58.08 | scanlime | yeah... I'm not sure if I'll actually be travelling thanksgiving weekend at this point |
| 05:58.19 | scanlime | turkey day just isn't worth $450 to me |
| 05:58.39 | scanlime | I'd rather travel a week earlier or later and pay the $250 or so that I can usually get a good flight for |
| 05:58.56 | numist | scanlime: if you want you can come have it with me and my folks.. the family always throws a nice bash and invites family and pals over |
| 05:59.17 | scanlime | hmm, mebbe. You'll be in san diego |
| 05:59.18 | scanlime | ? |
| 05:59.19 | numist | ChipX86 too :) |
| 05:59.23 | numist | no, morgan hill |
| 05:59.26 | numist | real close to you guys |
| 05:59.30 | ChipX86 | I'm in Chico for thanksgiving |
| 05:59.35 | ChipX86 | but thanks, I appreciate the offer |
| 05:59.37 | numist | anytime |
| 05:59.40 | scanlime | I do want to visit my family within a week or so of thanksgiving, since they're already planning for my grandma to fly in from louisiana |
| 05:59.47 | purple_cow | wow, this movie has sigur ros on the soundtrack too |
| 05:59.50 | numist | wow, yeah youd better do that |
| 06:00.19 | scanlime | I need to learn how to cook pie in time for thanksgiving... so I can fly home and show 'em how it's done ;) |
| 06:00.33 | kergoth | yay sigur ros |
| 06:00.35 | kergoth | purple_cow: what movie? |
| 06:00.42 | purple_cow | the life aquatic |
| 06:00.50 | ChipX86 | that was a weird movie |
| 06:00.52 | kergoth | that was a strang emovie |
| 06:00.57 | purple_cow | it's an awesome movie |
| 06:00.59 | ChipX86 | I didn't enjoy it as much as some people |
| 06:01.01 | kergoth | i didnt watch the whole thing, i got bored :P |
| 06:01.01 | scanlime | hehe, great movie |
| 06:01.15 | scanlime | I haven't seen it since it came out in theaters |
| 06:01.30 | ChipX86 | I was doing other things while watching it, which may have been part of the problem, but I don't know |
| 06:01.41 | purple_cow | it's like the royal tenenbaums, but moreso :) |
| 06:03.01 | scanlime | damn.. I was seeing all these cheap flights.. then I realized I punched in october dates rather than november |
| 06:03.08 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 06:04.06 | scanlime | guh.. even some crappy flight times that get me there thanksgiving morning and have me leave saturday night cost $380 or so |
| 06:04.37 | purple_cow | that movie rocked :) |
| 06:04.37 | numist | not worth it |
| 06:04.44 | scanlime | maybe a road trip isn't such a bad idea after all... |
| 06:05.24 | scanlime | well bah. it's only 21 hours |
| 06:05.32 | scanlime | I can do that |
| 06:05.40 | scanlime | I did seattle to boulder almost straight through |
| 06:05.52 | numist | wait.. didnt I say something about road trip? |
| 06:05.59 | scanlime | yes, you did |
| 06:06.05 | numist | problem is, by the time you're done.. itll probably be $300 in gas, food, and lodging |
| 06:06.11 | numist | even without lodging |
| 06:06.36 | scanlime | no need for lodging, and you're going to be paying about the same in food either way |
| 06:06.47 | numist | yep |
| 06:06.52 | numist | so gas over how many miles? |
| 06:06.59 | scanlime | only $100 in gas |
| 06:07.06 | numist | both ways? |
| 06:07.08 | scanlime | with my car's 38MPG or so and $3/gallon gas |
| 06:07.11 | scanlime | well, one way :) |
| 06:07.14 | numist | :) |
| 06:07.16 | numist | still not bad |
| 06:07.22 | scanlime | return trips are for chumps |
| 06:07.45 | numist | :) |
| 06:07.47 | scanlime | and I'll probably find gas cheaper than that, and my mileage will be better when I'm doing nothing but highway |
| 06:07.52 | numist | I wouldnt go back.. sounds like theres plenty there for you |
| 06:08.09 | scanlime | I guess there's a good reason to get an oil change before thanksgiving... |
| 06:08.30 | numist | yeah.. count car depreciation in with the gas.. that kind of trip it counts |
| 06:08.37 | numist | still cheaper than flying though |
| 06:08.50 | numist | but you lose 2 whole days, assuming you drive straight through |
| 06:09.01 | scanlime | yeah |
| 06:09.19 | scanlime | it's kind of sick, but 2 days of vacation is actually worth a lot to me at this point.. |
| 06:09.41 | numist | yeah, I feel the same way.. my next trip is next weekend |
| 06:10.22 | numist | is thanksgiving really that close? |
| 06:10.27 | numist | no wonder tickets are so expensive... |
| 06:10.33 | scanlime | no.. I have another trip before thanksgiving |
| 06:10.37 | numist | ah hah |
| 06:10.44 | scanlime | thanksgiving is a month and a half out still |
| 06:11.00 | scanlime | I just thought I'd plan this early on account of this crazy travel rush |
| 06:11.03 | numist | I never got used to when american thanksgiving was |
| 06:11.12 | scanlime | end of november, basically :P |
| 06:11.34 | numist | how does that work for you guys.... the world's covered in snow by that point |
| 06:11.39 | scanlime | hah |
| 06:11.40 | numist | those were some cold pilgrims |
| 06:12.07 | scanlime | yes.. that's why they were so greatful for all that corn and cold turkey they got from the 'friendly' natives at gunpoint ;) |
| 06:12.14 | numist | :) |
| 06:13.06 | numist | (the truth being 1: early october, 2: venison venison venison, 3: settlers, not pilgrims) |
| 06:13.13 | numist | but hey, I like my sugar coated grade school history |
| 06:15.47 | scanlime | nope, the early settler in New Europe, which was later re-named the United Spades of Amerika, was known for a diet entirely of turkey, other waterfowl, and vodka |
| 06:16.05 | numist | :) |
| 06:16.17 | numist | how did the russians get involved again? |
| 06:16.21 | numist | arent they the evil commies? |
| 06:18.36 | scanlime | the russians colonized amerika |
| 06:18.54 | numist | oh nice, didnt know that |
| 06:18.56 | scanlime | isn't that how they teach it in 3rd grade geology? |
| 06:19.22 | numist | well, they do teach that what we call native americans came over the land bridge at the bering strait iirc |
| 06:19.26 | numist | its been a while |
| 06:19.33 | purple_cow | ChipX86: svn add images/selection/delete-over.png :) |
| 06:20.01 | purple_cow | and delete.png i guess |
| 06:20.04 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 06:21.02 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r307 10taco/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add two missing images. |
| 06:21.09 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03jupiter * r308 10taco/src/taco/ui/canvas.py: need to import cairo if we're using cairo |
| 06:21.12 | purple_cow | mwahaha |
| 06:21.22 | ChipX86 | it worked here :( |
| 06:21.34 | numist | well done |
| 06:21.38 | numist | I cant wait for taco :) |
| 06:21.48 | purple_cow | ChipX86: what version of pygtk? |
| 06:21.51 | kergoth | i still cant believe google hired sean |
| 06:21.54 | kergoth | what the hell were they thinking |
| 06:21.55 | ChipX86 | kergoth: yeah |
| 06:22.03 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: checking |
| 06:22.15 | ChipX86 | I think 2.6.1 is what I'm using |
| 06:24.25 | scanlime | purple_cow: where's a good hoochie for concert tickets online? |
| 06:24.56 | lurgy | scanlime: "hoochie?" |
| 06:24.58 | lurgy | hmm :) |
| 06:25.05 | scanlime | *sigh* |
| 06:25.19 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:25.21 | lurgy | you said it |
| 06:25.24 | scanlime | lurgy: "widget" rubbed off on her too, you know.. |
| 06:25.51 | lurgy | but now |
| 06:25.57 | lurgy | it has taken it's place next to hoochie |
| 06:25.59 | lurgy | teehee |
| 06:26.22 | numist | lurgy: really? he used it naturally to describe my stereo face when he couldnt identify it right away in my trunk |
| 06:26.24 | purple_cow | scanlime: uh? |
| 06:26.32 | purple_cow | scanlime: where you buy tickets depends on the venue |
| 06:26.45 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:27.15 | lurgy | that was quite a while ago though |
| 06:27.21 | lurgy | like freshman year-ish |
| 06:27.47 | purple_cow | if you're lucky, the venue will do the online tickets in-house through their merchant account |
| 06:27.53 | purple_cow | if you're unlucky, you'll have to use ticketmaster |
| 06:27.59 | lurgy | well |
| 06:28.01 | lurgy | my freshman year |
| 06:28.03 | lurgy | his sophomore year |
| 06:28.13 | lurgy | since scanlime is an oooooooooooooooooooooooooold fart ^_^ |
| 06:28.31 | scanlime | yep |
| 06:28.54 | scanlime | lurgy: that was just back when I was a picogui crackhead and 'widget' made me bitter |
| 06:29.12 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:29.13 | lurgy | yep |
| 06:29.22 | scanlime | since then I've learned to embrace the widget, and even to extend its influence upon my friends |
| 06:29.26 | scanlime | willingly or otherwise |
| 06:29.29 | numist | why would 'widget' make someone bitter, for the uninitiated |
| 06:29.37 | lurgy | yeah |
| 06:29.48 | scanlime | hoochies and widgets are just two sides of the same coin |
| 06:29.53 | numist | ah hah |
| 06:29.53 | lurgy | scanlime took over that job for me pretty readily :) |
| 06:29.57 | scanlime | it's only natural to flip a coin |
| 06:29.59 | numist | hoochie.. I can see why that would be taken badly |
| 06:30.51 | scanlime | numist: just for you, just for that, I'm going to fork gtk and make GtkHoochie the base class for all the little hoochies you click on and interact with on the screen |
| 06:31.07 | numist | hee hee, thanks |
| 06:31.20 | scanlime | what the hell was I doing! |
| 06:31.24 | scanlime | oh yes, the epoxies |
| 06:32.40 | scanlime | ooh... not only is it Samuel L. Jackson in a 'fro, but that big-tit guy from Fight Club |
| 06:32.51 | numist | hehe |
| 06:33.35 | scanlime | ooh.. musickal venues in this high tech wonder-city of San Francisco have web sites |
| 06:34.47 | purple_cow | hehe, today's QC is good |
| 06:35.01 | purple_cow | scanlime: wow! |
| 06:35.24 | scanlime | hah. when you order these online they use "paperless" tickets |
| 06:35.34 | scanlime | just bring your ID, same as "paperless" tickets for the "airplane" |
| 06:35.50 | lurgy | http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1589967,00.html |
| 06:37.39 | scanlime | wrrrrr |
| 06:37.50 | scanlime | it had to happen sooner or later |
| 06:37.59 | scanlime | everybody wants a DNS server |
| 06:38.15 | scanlime | everybody wants to be the dot in dot-com |
| 06:38.24 | scanlime | but nobody wants sun hardware any more |
| 06:38.36 | lurgy | heh, yes.. sun |
| 06:38.43 | lurgy | the core of the issue ^_^ |
| 06:38.46 | scanlime | yup |
| 06:38.53 | scanlime | 'cuz they own the dots |
| 06:39.01 | scanlime | who owns the ones and the zeroes? |
| 06:39.12 | scanlime | who cuts a zero in the fabric of time itself? |
| 06:39.40 | scanlime | god.. how did I just mix David Bowie and Firesign? |
| 06:40.16 | scanlime | well, 'cuz they both rock, I guess |
| 06:41.13 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:41.23 | scanlime | heh |
| 06:41.34 | scanlime | yes.. I get chatty sometimes don't I |
| 06:43.41 | lurgy | :) |
| 06:44.57 | scanlime | somehow I think I'm going to be too lazy to bike another 25 miles tomorrow |
| 06:45.12 | scanlime | but after tomorrow... watch out! |
| 06:45.37 | scanlime | I should talk about VoIP or something, I could be just like hardwire |
| 06:45.59 | scanlime | but.. the only thing low-bandwidth and full of acronyms that I kinda know is ham radio |
| 06:46.23 | scanlime | so I could be all like "Hey, I hooked up this PBX with AX.25 to my VoIP hoochie.. and it was all like waaaaa!" |
| 06:50.50 | scanlime | aw |
| 06:51.01 | scanlime | sammy jackson doesn't like fish n' chips |
| 06:55.19 | scanlime | I kinda wish I hadn't corrected that pizza guy now |
| 06:55.24 | scanlime | wonder what kind of pizza it was... |
| 06:55.37 | scanlime | too bad it was pizza hut |
| 06:55.42 | scanlime | round table is so yummy... |
| 06:55.53 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 06:56.03 | ChipX86 | do you have that in colorado? |
| 06:56.07 | scanlime | no |
| 06:56.12 | ChipX86 | aww :( |
| 06:56.44 | purple_cow | corrected what pizza guy? |
| 06:57.09 | scanlime | purple_cow: pizza hut delivery guy came to my apartment earlier tonight.. had the wrong building |
| 06:57.24 | scanlime | hehe, it's just a flesh wound! |
| 07:00.31 | purple_cow | err, java |
| 07:01.08 | ChipX86 | well, the epiphany guy says that they experimented with my icon entry widget, decided it just didn't work, and then wrote their own 100% from scratch without using a single line of mine |
| 07:01.13 | ChipX86 | *shrug* whatever |
| 07:06.16 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r251 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: yay, it execs mplayer. pretty useless so far, but oh well. |
| 07:25.08 | purple_cow | hehe, hot and steamy |
| 07:26.06 | ChipX86 | full text is Hot and steamy washers and driers |
| 07:26.47 | ChipX86 | the "original GTK+ IconEntry widget" is supposed to be a small jab at the epiphany guys |
| 07:26.53 | ChipX86 | who some people think came up with the first one |
| 07:27.06 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:27.14 | ChipX86 | kinda bugs me, even though it's stupid |
| 07:27.37 | purple_cow | yeah, it's easy to be bothered by things like that |
| 07:27.50 | purple_cow | sometimes i have to work hard at not caring |
| 07:28.44 | ChipX86 | there's just been a lot of crap today that's bugged me. The Sean working at Google announcement, this whole iconentry crap, and some stuff I can't yet talk about (which is one of the larger things) |
| 07:29.02 | ChipX86 | I want to just hack on taco for a bit |
| 07:29.39 | purple_cow | yay taco |
| 07:29.46 | ChipX86 | can't for a while though :( |
| 07:29.51 | ChipX86 | lots of work stuff and galago stuff |
| 07:32.14 | ChipX86 | need to figure out a fix for the documentation stuff :( |
| 07:32.30 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r309 10libsexy/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added sexy_icon_entry_add_clear_button(). |
| 07:33.10 | scanlime | I want sexy_icon_entry_add_ham_sammich() |
| 07:33.16 | ChipX86 | ok! |
| 07:33.18 | scanlime | and tooooast |
| 07:33.55 | ChipX86 | mmm it's nice to see this actually behaving with all themes |
| 07:34.06 | ChipX86 | it was so broken for a while |
| 07:52.09 | ChipX86 | heh Regis already posted a comment to the blog |
| 07:55.59 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 07:56.07 | ChipX86 | wtf is gtk_label_set_pattern.. |
| 07:56.43 | ChipX86 | that's a weird function. I've never even seen it before, but it's an older one |
| 08:03.25 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r310 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog libsexy/sexy-url-label.c tests/test-url-label.c): Added limitless wrapping support to the URL Label when line wrapping is turned on. |
| 08:04.21 | purple_cow | limitless wrapping? |
| 08:05.51 | ChipX86 | same concept as libview's WrapLabel. A GtkLabel has a hard-coded max wrap width, but this fun hack allows the wrap width to be any length |
| 08:06.37 | purple_cow | height-for-width sizing? |
| 08:06.53 | ChipX86 | kinda |
| 08:07.08 | ChipX86 | gtk doesn't support it, but you can trick it using pango |
| 08:08.03 | ChipX86 | you tell the pangolayout to wrap, and any time you want to update the contents, you tell it the width you want it and queue a resize on the widget |
| 08:08.21 | ChipX86 | in the size request handler, you set the height to what the pango layout now claims, and the width to 0 |
| 08:08.35 | ChipX86 | then in the allocation, you just set the wrap width back to what the widget's been given as the width |
| 08:08.53 | ChipX86 | we've been using it all throughout the WS 5.0 UI |
| 08:09.17 | purple_cow | yeah, that's basically height-for-width |
| 08:09.25 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 08:09.29 | purple_cow | just an extra round-trip because gtk doesn't have any built-in support |
| 08:09.42 | ChipX86 | it was very fun to come up with though |
| 08:09.50 | ChipX86 | because everyone I asked said it wasn't doable |
| 08:12.45 | purple_cow | it's a bit kerbroke... |
| 08:12.50 | ChipX86 | what's it doing? |
| 08:14.44 | purple_cow | http://david.navi.cx/tmp/kerbroke-wrapping.png |
| 08:14.57 | ChipX86 | ah, yeah |
| 08:15.11 | ChipX86 | so that's a bug that I'm still trying to work around in libview |
| 08:15.18 | ChipX86 | manually set the alignment to 0, 0 |
| 08:15.26 | ChipX86 | or at least 0, something |
| 08:15.53 | ChipX86 | it's on my todo for when I have some free time |
| 08:16.05 | ChipX86 | I may just hard-code it in this widget |
| 08:18.36 | scanlime | why isn't pybluez in ubuntu? |
| 08:18.53 | ChipX86 | what's hat/ |
| 08:18.56 | ChipX86 | er, that? |
| 08:19.23 | scanlime | python bluetooth |
| 08:19.36 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 08:21.48 | scanlime | heck, I wouldn't mind going back to bluetooth debugging for vmware... if my damn windows build wasn't broken at work |
| 08:24.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9067 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/main-window.c: some set_alignment fu for working around ChipX86's BUGGINESS |
| 08:24.45 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 08:24.49 | ChipX86 | trying! |
| 08:25.06 | scanlime | night time.. and also, bed. |
| 08:25.15 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 08:25.41 | ChipX86 | ooh I think I see the problem |
| 08:26.58 | ChipX86 | no clue what to do about it |
| 08:28.04 | ChipX86 | oohh |
| 08:29.38 | ChipX86 | got a kind of fix, but it's jumpy |
| 08:31.12 | ChipX86 | this would be far better if it were in gtk |
| 08:31.48 | purple_cow | http://tinypic.com/ei9z78.jpg |
| 08:32.12 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 08:32.32 | ChipX86 | "or licking them" |
| 08:38.58 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r311 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog libsexy/sexy-url-label.c): Fix the problem in the wrapping code where the layout is in the wrong location on non-0,0 alignments. This will be submitted to the libview project as well. Now purple_cow will stop being so mad at me! :( |
| 08:39.27 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 08:39.40 | ChipX86 | I'm so glad I have a fix for that |
| 08:39.46 | ChipX86 | sadly it just makes things slightly more hacky |
| 08:39.51 | ChipX86 | but not too bad |
| 08:40.28 | ChipX86 | GtkLabel expects the widget's size request to match the PangoLayout's dimensions, but since we override them, that broke.. so we just restore it during allocation |
| 08:42.49 | purple_cow | that's not too hacky |
| 08:42.50 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9068 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/main-window.c: revert set_alignment fu, since it's not necessary anymore! |
| 08:42.53 | purple_cow | seems par for the course for libsexy |
| 08:42.56 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:43.12 | ChipX86 | though that was code that originated in libview |
| 08:43.14 | ChipX86 | well, vmware really |
| 08:43.23 | ChipX86 | Regis hates it :) |
| 08:43.39 | ChipX86 | he believes a future gtk will break it |
| 08:43.54 | purple_cow | it might |
| 08:44.17 | ChipX86 | if it does, I doubt it'd be the only thing that breaks |
| 08:44.28 | purple_cow | depends how much they mess with label internals |
| 08:44.39 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 08:49.52 | ChipX86 | gah, reverted a bunch of stuff without thinking |
| 08:52.42 | purple_cow | you could avoid headaches and at the same time make things more rocking by porting the height-for-width mode to gtklabel ;) |
| 08:52.51 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:52.55 | ChipX86 | tempted.. |
| 08:53.01 | ChipX86 | remind me this weekend and I'll write a patch |
| 09:06.29 | purple_cow | wow |
| 09:06.40 | purple_cow | caleb moore's blog entry has some amazing magic eyes |
| 09:07.19 | ChipX86 | oh nice |
| 09:07.46 | ChipX86 | argh |
| 09:07.53 | ChipX86 | I HATE gtkmm's wrapper generator |
| 09:08.14 | purple_cow | they're frighteningly clear on my laptop screen |
| 09:28.29 | ChipX86|Sleep | g'night |
| 09:31.00 | purple_cow | 'night |
| 11:08.03 | Veight | anyone awake? |
| 11:15.30 | Veight | i'll take that as a negative |
| 11:28.15 | Sophie197 | morning pain |
| 11:28.21 | Sophie197 | I want my bed |
| 11:32.55 | Veight | i want a muffin |
| 11:34.03 | Veight | btw morning Sophie197 |
| 11:34.45 | Veight | im hyper and i dunno why |
| 11:34.49 | Veight | maybe because its friday |
| 11:34.56 | Veight | and no i havnt had any sugar yet today |
| 11:36.39 | orchid | ~friday |
| 11:36.40 | jbot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 11:40.54 | Veight | except friday is good because theres football games and partys |
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| 15:13.51 | Cae | http://www.justracin.net/is.swf |
| 15:38.29 | Cae | ChipX86|Sleep: where was the one picture of most of your harem? |
| 15:55.02 | ChipX86 | hey. Um, there were a couple, one sec |
| 15:56.12 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Days/20040311/dsc01339.jpg |
| 15:57.03 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Days/20040409/dsc01477.jpg |
| 15:57.17 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Days/20040409/dsc01479.jpg |
| 15:57.42 | Cae | hehe |
| 15:57.49 | ChipX86 | I miss those days |
| 15:57.57 | Cae | and where was that one with cat ears? |
| 15:57.59 | ChipX86 | who knew they would be over just like that |
| 15:58.03 | ChipX86 | me in cat ears? |
| 15:58.15 | Cae | you and Jamie |
| 15:58.20 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Days/20040512/dsc01547.jpg <- I like that one |
| 15:58.36 | ChipX86 | looking |
| 15:58.52 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/photos/fanime/2005/dsc01988.jpg |
| 15:58.58 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/photos/fanime/2005/dsc01992.jpg |
| 16:00.04 | file | that's a rather nice red shirt |
| 16:00.20 | Cae | indeedy |
| 16:00.22 | Cae | oh yeah |
| 16:00.31 | Cae | cause I haven't in a while :) |
| 16:01.16 | pagefault | yawn |
| 16:01.56 | pagefault | hey file |
| 16:02.23 | ChipX86 | Jamie looks so good in that photo.. |
| 16:03.13 | pagefault | indeed |
| 16:03.14 | Cae | yeah :) |
| 16:04.09 | pagefault | hmm |
| 16:04.16 | ChipX86 | every time she eats chocolate, she says she's getting fat |
| 16:04.19 | pagefault | rogers doing 3G UMTS trials |
| 16:04.21 | pagefault | 15mbit |
| 16:04.35 | file | one of my friends in a foreign country has UMTS |
| 16:04.44 | file | he complained when he came to the US because he was so used to it |
| 16:04.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/fonts.h src/fonts.cpp): 3 alignment modes for font drawing |
| 16:04.56 | Cae | ChipX86: pfft. chocolate doesn't make you fat. |
| 16:05.14 | pagefault | maybe this is the nation wide wireless service they were talking about |
| 16:06.38 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/mainMenu.cpp src/menus.cpp): use menu IDs, not list position |
| 16:06.40 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/joinMenu.cpp: back button |
| 16:06.46 | pagefault | now to find something to code |
| 16:12.49 | Cae | humm..back later, class :) |
| 16:22.45 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: I may have to strip out the gtkdoc stuff from this libsexy release :/ |
| 16:31.53 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r312 10libsexy/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:31.53 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Disable documentation building for now. It breaks, it seems :( |
| 16:31.53 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Add libsexy/sexy.h. |
| 16:31.53 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Add generation of sexy-enum-types.[ch] for glib enum registration. |
| 16:34.27 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r313 10libsexy/tests/test-icon-entry.c: Unbreak! |
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| 16:41.52 | pagefault | must not play WoW |
| 16:42.09 | ChipX86 | I hate you, gtkmm wrapper generator |
| 16:44.12 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 16:44.14 | ChipX86 | new vmware.com layout |
| 16:44.39 | scanlime | you're up early |
| 16:44.40 | ChipX86 | and though it's less broken than before, it's still broken |
| 16:45.54 | file | it's... cute |
| 16:45.57 | file | I suppose |
| 16:48.50 | pagefault | it doesn't quite look right in deer park |
| 16:48.57 | pagefault | menu is all weird |
| 16:49.59 | scanlime | it's broken in firefox 1.0 too |
| 16:50.06 | scanlime | makes you wonder if the web team tests this stuff at all... |
| 16:50.45 | file | testing is overrated |
| 16:50.56 | ChipX86 | scanlime: they don't |
| 16:51.01 | ChipX86 | I sent them an e-mail just now |
| 16:51.05 | ChipX86 | but they'll ignore it |
| 16:51.07 | ChipX86 | just like last time |
| 16:51.09 | pagefault | works on IE, so it must work everywhere |
| 16:51.23 | ChipX86 | our web team kinda sucks a bit |
| 16:57.00 | pagefault | they probably get no love |
| 17:00.13 | ChipX86 | must kill gtkmm wrapper generator |
| 17:00.21 | ChipX86 | this is ridiculous |
| 17:03.32 | numist | morning chippy |
| 17:04.23 | ChipX86 | morning |
| 17:07.26 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 17:07.28 | ChipX86 | ARGH |
| 17:11.41 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r142 10numist.net/gallery/modules/core/ (7 files in 2 dirs): normal update |
| 17:24.50 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r314 10libsexymm/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Updated to work with the new IconEntry changes. |
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| 17:34.50 | scanlime | wow, I'm not going crazy quite yet.. Chris had the same windows problem last night after I left |
| 17:35.54 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 17:35.57 | ChipX86 | I think |
| 17:38.15 | scanlime | aha |
| 17:38.17 | scanlime | it has a bug number now |
| 17:38.21 | scanlime | 79377 |
| 17:38.30 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: poke |
| 17:38.46 | numist | yay being productive |
| 17:40.03 | ChipX86 | yep |
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| 18:00.33 | file[laptop] | so... |
| 18:00.44 | file[laptop] | I complained about my local Linux devel box being too slow yesterday |
| 18:00.54 | file[laptop] | so somebody in the project bought me an AMD64 shuttle |
| 18:00.55 | numist | and now it is a P133? |
| 18:00.59 | numist | oh wowo |
| 18:01.10 | file[laptop] | ...yeah |
| 18:01.14 | numist | what project is this? )0_o |
| 18:01.18 | file[laptop] | OpenPBX |
| 18:01.34 | numist | very nice... you should complain about your monitor next |
| 18:01.49 | file[laptop] | I have a 19" LCD and 17" LCD |
| 18:02.20 | file[laptop] | omg |
| 18:02.23 | file[laptop] | he got me a dual core |
| 18:02.28 | numist | :o |
| 18:02.32 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 18:02.38 | ChipX86 | wish my users would do that |
| 18:02.46 | file[laptop] | amd athlon 64 x2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz FSB, socket 939 dual core processor |
| 18:03.06 | file[laptop] | shuttle sn25p... |
| 18:03.14 | numist | jesus, they can fit all that in there now |
| 18:03.16 | file[laptop] | and 80GB SATA hard drive and 1GB of RAM |
| 18:03.55 | ChipX86 | I need the purple_cow :( |
| 18:06.18 | file[laptop] | let this be a lesson to all, complain more often |
| 18:06.27 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:06.33 | numist | what was the machine that got replaced, dare I ask |
| 18:07.44 | file[laptop] | a P4 1.7GHz machine |
| 18:07.47 | file[laptop] | with 256MB of RAM |
| 18:10.37 | numist | file: on man, cry me a river :o |
| 18:10.57 | numist | the ram probably could have replaced, but besides that, thats what my machines are specced to |
| 18:11.32 | pagefault | I wish someone would buy me a dual core athlon 64 |
| 18:11.43 | file[laptop] | I'm rather speechless right now |
| 18:11.58 | numist | I can imagine |
| 18:12.07 | numist | say thanks before you completely alienate him :) |
| 18:12.28 | file[laptop] | I did |
| 18:12.34 | file[laptop] | he's doing this in private meessage |
| 18:12.35 | file[laptop] | er message |
| 18:13.23 | TD | it's official |
| 18:13.30 | numist | is it? |
| 18:13.31 | TD | the head of the CS department at my university is an asshole |
| 18:13.36 | numist | :( |
| 18:13.42 | TD | question "Describe in detail the Dragon cache coherency protocol, 20 marks" |
| 18:13.56 | TD | too bad the only complete description of this protocol is an obscure research paper published in 1985 |
| 18:13.58 | TD | and NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE |
| 18:14.04 | numist | as in, describe it down to the opcodes used? |
| 18:14.05 | numist | ouch! |
| 18:14.17 | TD | just the CCP |
| 18:14.28 | TD | so how it keeps L1 cache in sync in a multiprocessor system |
| 18:14.35 | TD | i think he must have worked hard to come up with a question that obscure |
| 18:14.47 | numist | yeah, questions like that dont come on accident |
| 18:15.19 | TD | in the lecture he was all smarmy. "you'll have to put in a bit of work for this one, but that's good. you need to learn how to work and will be rewarded for it" <puke> |
| 18:15.20 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r315 10libsexy/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:15.20 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Build and compile correctly on systems without enchant_broker_list_dicts. |
| 18:15.20 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Use const SexySpellEntry * when possible. |
| 18:15.50 | ChipX86 | hey TD |
| 18:16.27 | file[laptop] | I'm still speechless, I have the order sheet - total cost: $1053.43 |
| 18:16.34 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 18:17.03 | TD | heya |
| 18:17.12 | TD | have you talked to the GTK+ guys about merging the libsexy stuff into GTK+ proper? |
| 18:17.21 | ChipX86 | going to |
| 18:17.27 | ChipX86 | and some libview stuff |
| 18:18.02 | ChipX86 | I HATE GTKMM WRAPPER SCRIPTS |
| 18:18.34 | numist | :( |
| 18:24.00 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r316 10libsexy/libsexy/sexy-spell-entry.c: Fuzzy. |
| 18:24.19 | numist | best commit ever |
| 18:25.12 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r317 10libsexy/libsexy/: Ignore the autogenerated files. |
| 18:27.18 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r318 10libsexymm/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Add support for SexySpellEntry. |
| 18:27.43 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r319 10libsexymm/ (scripts/ tests/): Ignore some stuff. |
| 18:28.29 | pagefault | zipdrive |
| 18:28.37 | pagefault | it seems to not work now |
| 18:28.40 | pagefault | oh well |
| 18:28.52 | pagefault | oh wait |
| 18:28.54 | pagefault | I don't have a disk in it |
| 18:28.57 | pagefault | I am silly |
| 18:29.32 | scanlime | gah |
| 18:29.38 | scanlime | how did I get this monitor bug assigned to me? |
| 18:29.52 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r320 10libsexymm/ (ChangeLog NEWS configure.ac): Bump up the version. |
| 18:31.17 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r321 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog NEWS): Update the news, prep for release. |
| 18:32.30 | ChipX86 | tada, done |
| 18:32.43 | ChipX86 | now for the next big step |
| 18:32.44 | scanlime | oog.. perforce reeealy slow today |
| 18:32.54 | ChipX86 | which I hope goes as smoothly as that did (which did not go smoothly) |
| 18:32.57 | ChipX86 | scanlime: :( |
| 18:33.46 | ChipX86 | argh |
| 18:33.48 | ChipX86 | damn you joey |
| 18:35.06 | scanlime | go little p5 submit.. you can make it |
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| 18:53.53 | TD | ChipX86: did you see the news about sean egan? |
| 18:54.04 | numist | TD: who hasnt |
| 18:54.20 | numist | or is there new news |
| 18:54.29 | TD | er, well i hadn't |
| 18:54.29 | ChipX86 | TD: yep |
| 18:54.35 | ChipX86 | he won't last |
| 18:54.40 | numist | no? |
| 18:54.47 | ChipX86 | he's never been a very good programmer |
| 18:54.52 | ChipX86 | though here's what bugs me.. |
| 18:54.55 | numist | what was he good at then |
| 18:55.00 | ChipX86 | nothing |
| 18:55.00 | TD | i wonder why they hired _him_ of all people? |
| 18:55.04 | ChipX86 | he's being paid to integrate VoIP in gaim |
| 18:55.08 | ChipX86 | so guess who's doing that work? |
| 18:55.11 | ChipX86 | Bleeter. |
| 18:55.15 | numist | :( |
| 18:55.18 | ChipX86 | it's the same as always |
| 18:55.20 | file[laptop] | didn't a SoC person do it? |
| 18:55.22 | TD | great |
| 18:55.29 | ChipX86 | Sean is very good at making himself look good to people, when it's really other people doing the work |
| 18:55.37 | numist | sounds like no one here really has a high opinion of him.. Ive only briefly chatted with him before -- no impression |
| 18:55.37 | ChipX86 | he takes a lot of credit for things he never does |
| 18:55.47 | ChipX86 | numist: he's the reason I stopped working on gaim |
| 18:55.50 | numist | I knew that |
| 18:55.54 | numist | :( |
| 18:55.54 | ChipX86 | and I'll be glad to rant later about all the crap he put me through |
| 18:56.12 | numist | we'll do it over sake at sushi tomo or something :) |
| 18:56.33 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:56.39 | scanlime | good idea |
| 18:56.56 | numist | sounds like a real gem, this guy |
| 19:01.56 | scanlime | ChipX86: my windows build works! |
| 19:02.00 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 19:02.09 | Cae | scanlime: blasphemy |
| 19:02.23 | numist | :) |
| 19:04.30 | hardwire | ok |
| 19:04.32 | hardwire | I love multicast dns |
| 19:04.34 | hardwire | ssh -f -X `getent hosts hanshi.local | sed 's/ .*$//'` x2x -to :0 -west |
| 19:05.31 | scanlime | ChipX86: I wonder how many people wrote the web team to tell them it breaks on firefox... |
| 19:05.38 | ChipX86 | I did :) |
| 19:05.52 | scanlime | I imagine a lot of people did |
| 19:06.11 | ChipX86 | I've already seen bug fixes |
| 19:06.46 | scanlime | oh yeah- looks like they fixed the one I was complaining about |
| 19:06.49 | scanlime | nice |
| 19:06.55 | ChipX86 | which? |
| 19:06.56 | Cae | ChipX86: how much do you get paid again? (not exact figure..rough..) |
| 19:07.25 | Cae | and technically you can answer >$1 && <$1,000,000 |
| 19:07.27 | scanlime | ChipX86: the 'news' and 'about us' menus not rendering right, the 'solutions' and 'products' menus becoming unusable because the mouse would trigger 'news' and 'about us' instead |
| 19:08.00 | ChipX86 | I still have that problem |
| 19:08.19 | scanlime | oh |
| 19:08.24 | scanlime | yeah.. I guess I do to |
| 19:08.25 | scanlime | er, too |
| 19:08.29 | scanlime | it doesn't happen on firefox for windows |
| 19:08.30 | scanlime | that's weird |
| 19:15.30 | ChipX86 | I think libsexy is going to work well here |
| 19:20.32 | scanlime | huh |
| 19:21.02 | scanlime | this minidisc player advertises 'ATRAC3, MP3, WMA, and WAV compativility' (sic) |
| 19:21.17 | file | hrm, what's ATRAC3? |
| 19:21.34 | scanlime | silly format sony uses |
| 19:23.26 | numist | wait.. it supports more than just ATRAC? |
| 19:23.34 | numist | or does it transcode like mine |
| 19:24.47 | scanlime | it transcodes |
| 19:24.51 | numist | ok, phew |
| 19:24.55 | scanlime | but this is what the sticker on the front says |
| 19:25.00 | numist | thought Sony had suddenly decided to do what the customer wanted |
| 19:25.20 | scanlime | nah, sony products are designed not to be compativle with anything people acutually want :P |
| 19:39.27 | TD | ATRAC is what minidisks use |
| 19:40.53 | Cae | exam time :) |
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| 19:55.11 | purple_cow | ChipX86: kerpoke |
| 20:07.33 | purple_cow | hmm, out of bagels |
| 20:11.51 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: can't remember now |
| 20:11.57 | ChipX86 | had to do with SexySpellEntry |
| 20:12.07 | ChipX86 | ugh.. |
| 20:12.26 | ChipX86 | <HPReg> christian: did you write this code? [insert snippet here..]. if yes, I would like to talk to you |
| 20:12.58 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:14.01 | ChipX86 | of course now he's not here |
| 20:17.53 | numist | :) |
| 20:18.51 | ChipX86 | I'm starting to realize how few GtkEntrys we have in this program |
| 20:35.54 | ChipX86 | I love it when users from open source msg me saying how much they love vmware and how they're going to buy a license |
| 20:36.21 | numist | its nice when commercial software is that good |
| 20:36.33 | ChipX86 | we heard such amazing feedback at the summit |
| 20:36.47 | ChipX86 | "This actually feels like a gnome app! But it's proprietary!" |
| 20:36.54 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:37.19 | numist | vmware is really useful though |
| 20:37.53 | ChipX86 | it can be great for linux development when, for example, you have to stay compatible with two or three versions of d-bus |
| 20:38.05 | ChipX86 | or a bleeding edge gnome install |
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| 20:48.58 | scanlime | omg |
| 20:49.02 | scanlime | lookit all these precious milliseconds |
| 20:49.04 | scanlime | wasted! |
| 20:49.24 | scanlime | maybe next week when chris is gone I'll spend most of my time on performance optimization >:) |
| 20:49.27 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinDisplay.cxx: support mouse wheel events so windows native can scroll and zoom too :) |
| 20:50.12 | purple_cow | yay, less than 5 hours left on my encode |
| 20:51.10 | scanlime | oof |
| 20:51.19 | scanlime | 861 MB logfile... |
| 20:51.39 | scanlime | shouldn't have left this running while perry and I went to sushi |
| 20:52.35 | ChipX86 | rather, |
| 20:56.21 | scanlime | # Parity is for farmers (Seymour Cray. When asked why he does not have parity in his computers) |
| 20:56.24 | scanlime | # I guess farmers buy a lot of computers (Seymour Cray, After he added parity to his computers) |
| 20:56.28 | scanlime | yay for the quips page |
| 20:56.51 | numist | nice |
| 20:57.40 | ChipX86 | this build is taking too long :( |
| 20:58.14 | scanlime | what's new? |
| 20:58.26 | purple_cow | quick! rewrite the UI in C! |
| 20:58.34 | numist | :o |
| 20:58.41 | ChipX86 | the UI is the quick part |
| 20:58.47 | scanlime | haha |
| 20:58.58 | scanlime | no, rewrite the VMX in assembly! |
| 20:59.01 | ChipX86 | which is really really sad |
| 20:59.07 | scanlime | actually assembly takes too long too |
| 20:59.19 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 20:59.35 | ChipX86 | meeting, bbl |
| 20:59.42 | numist | :P |
| 20:59.52 | scanlime | oop |
| 20:59.58 | scanlime | bad micah, opening an 800MB file in notepad |
| 21:00.15 | numist | you were supposed to use emacs |
| 21:00.27 | scanlime | haha |
| 21:00.34 | scanlime | I hope uhci.o isn't 800MB :P |
| 21:00.37 | scanlime | this is a log file on my windows box |
| 21:05.43 | numist | ah |
| 21:05.57 | numist | you still should have used emacs then :P |
| 21:49.24 | scanlime | oof |
| 21:49.30 | scanlime | long status report this week |
| 21:59.11 | ChipX86 | back |
| 22:00.37 | ChipX86 | oh no! |
| 22:00.43 | ChipX86 | only 20 seconds left to do my status repor! |
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| 22:06.21 | numist | :/ |
| 22:06.41 | ChipX86 | as if it ever goes in on time anyway, or needs to |
| 22:06.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r143 10numist.net/ (587 files in 27 dirs): I give up :( |
| 22:07.19 | ChipX86 | mmm, fig newtons... |
| 22:07.25 | ChipX86 | always makes me think of fishing |
| 22:07.37 | numist | why? |
| 22:07.49 | ChipX86 | memories of fishing and eating those with my grandpa as a kid |
| 22:07.58 | numist | ah :) |
| 22:08.12 | numist | wish I was a kid again, I'd do a lot more of that |
| 22:08.20 | ChipX86 | yeah :/ |
| 22:09.31 | darth_mall | purple_cow: you 'round? |
| 22:09.35 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yep |
| 22:10.23 | darth_mall | purple_cow: do you use gtkam to get movies off of your camera? |
| 22:10.23 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 22:10.23 | darth_mall | it stops responding whenever I try and save a movie |
| 22:10.23 | purple_cow | tried just waiting? |
| 22:10.23 | purple_cow | could be it's just taking a while |
| 22:10.49 | ToyKeeper | If you have removable media, I'd suggest using a usb-storage adapter for it instead. |
| 22:10.59 | purple_cow | possible that it's also a buggy driver |
| 22:11.04 | purple_cow | since the drivers for our cameras are different |
| 22:11.08 | purple_cow | pff, usb-storage |
| 22:11.19 | ToyKeeper | Not only does it work easier (no driver issues), but you can do more with it, like preserve file dates and such. |
| 22:11.19 | purple_cow | could use it as an excuse to get the SD reader in your laptop working ;) |
| 22:12.43 | darth_mall | I tried that before my cousin's wedding |
| 22:12.46 | ToyKeeper | Just make a small script to mount, copy, delete, unmount, and then process them... ("exiftran -a -i -p *.jpg" is a nice way to losslessly auto-rotate pics) |
| 22:12.59 | darth_mall | didn't have much luck getting it working |
| 22:13.06 | purple_cow | who needs auto-rotate? :P |
| 22:13.11 | purple_cow | just use tools that don't suck |
| 22:13.19 | ToyKeeper | eh? |
| 22:13.47 | purple_cow | i think just about all the photo tools i use know (nautilus, fspot, gimp, gallery, etc) respect the EXIF rotate tag |
| 22:14.05 | ToyKeeper | ... so about 1% of the photo tools in the world support it? :) |
| 22:14.16 | ToyKeeper | s/photo tools/image views/ |
| 22:14.22 | ToyKeeper | viewers, even. dangit. :) |
| 22:14.41 | darth_mall | hrmm... yeah |
| 22:14.45 | darth_mall | I don't think it's working |
| 22:15.41 | ToyKeeper | But I'm biased. I hate exif, id3, and other miniature in-file filesystems. I think they're going to go away in the future, though I don't know how long it'll take. |
| 22:16.16 | ToyKeeper | Filesystems are finally beginning to be adaquate for the things exif/id3 do, which means it'll probably take at least 10 years. |
| 22:16.38 | ChipX86 | no.. |
| 22:16.46 | ChipX86 | because if you transfer an mp3, you're transferring that file |
| 22:16.52 | ChipX86 | not that file and metadata attached on a filesystem level |
| 22:16.56 | ChipX86 | and so you need to keep the info in the file |
| 22:17.02 | ToyKeeper | That's part of what has to change. |
| 22:17.06 | ChipX86 | it can't |
| 22:17.08 | ToyKeeper | It can. |
| 22:17.10 | ChipX86 | it has to be in the file |
| 22:17.34 | ToyKeeper | You're already sending a custom filesystem... that's what mpeg is. Why not send a standard, generic filesystem instead of a custom/specific one? |
| 22:17.35 | purple_cow | anyone remember the troubles that you had with apple data/resource/info forks? :P |
| 22:18.22 | purple_cow | not everyone uses the same platform, and there's no way that file transfer tools can make everything interoperate seamlessly |
| 22:18.48 | ChipX86 | it would have to work on all computers, old and new, phones, PDAs, music players, etc |
| 22:18.55 | ToyKeeper | Some file formats are more flexible than others... PNG isn't bad... but it's still pretty limited compared to something like tar. |
| 22:19.05 | ChipX86 | are you talking about file systems, or archives? |
| 22:19.12 | ToyKeeper | What's the difference? |
| 22:19.34 | ToyKeeper | One is designed for random read/write access, and the other isn't. |
| 22:19.49 | ChipX86 | one's an actual filesystem on a block device (usually), and one is a file representing files on a filesystem, usually involving compression, and designed to be easily movable |
| 22:20.15 | ChipX86 | putting metadata in the filesystem doesn't solve anything |
| 22:20.20 | ChipX86 | as soon as you want to send it, you need ot bundle it |
| 22:20.22 | numist | great, freenode is having issue |
| 22:20.27 | ToyKeeper | The storage location of an object doesn't affect what that object is. |
| 22:20.35 | ChipX86 | nobody's going to bundle everything they send, so the only other option is to move all file formats to be in a special kind of archive file |
| 22:20.42 | ChipX86 | then you of course lose mimetypes, so that spec has to be redone |
| 22:20.54 | ToyKeeper | You will still need to bundle metadata during transfers... but why not do it in a standard, flexible manner instead of an application-specific manner? |
| 22:21.03 | ChipX86 | all implementations of all OSes need to then support these things, apps too |
| 22:21.11 | ChipX86 | tons of file format specs must change |
| 22:21.13 | ToyKeeper | The mimetype is just another piece of metadata. |
| 22:21.20 | ChipX86 | and you can bet there will be patent issues |
| 22:21.24 | ChipX86 | and deviations from the spec |
| 22:21.26 | ToyKeeper | I didn't say it won't take a long time. :) |
| 22:21.53 | purple_cow | it just seems unrealistic to complain about it. nothing's going to change easily, and for the time being, it makes life a lot simpler |
| 22:21.59 | ToyKeeper | Probably at least 10 years just to get the on-disk storage mechanisms to be relatively commonplace.. and even longer for transfer formats. |
| 22:23.10 | ToyKeeper | It's beginning to happen, in the form of database filesystems... but progress is really slow and awkward right now. |
| 22:23.41 | ChipX86 | that doesn't solve the transfer problem |
| 22:23.46 | ToyKeeper | I mean, we've been using pretty much the same filesystem concepts for like 30 years. People don't even think of it as something which can change. |
| 22:23.48 | ChipX86 | it makes it worse |
| 22:24.03 | ChipX86 | no, tons of people think of it as something that can change |
| 22:24.21 | ChipX86 | hence all the work going into FS redesign concepts by corporations and open source people |
| 22:24.30 | ChipX86 | and the different types of filesystems on devices |
| 22:24.39 | ToyKeeper | Some of the people pushing the changes do... hence the big buzz about database filesystems and other new stuff. |
| 22:24.43 | purple_cow | it's just that nothing *will* change |
| 22:24.53 | ToyKeeper | It'll just take a long time. |
| 22:24.58 | purple_cow | just look at all the people trying to redesign graphical environments on unix :P |
| 22:25.16 | purple_cow | but nobody will threaten X |
| 22:25.22 | ToyKeeper | The old formats will most likely stick around for decades, with legacy drivers to support them. That framework is already built into some systems, like reiser4. |
| 22:26.08 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r322 10libsexy/ (ChangeLog libsexy/Makefile.am): Actually set the so version number. Yay for not releasing publicly yet. |
| 22:26.08 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:26.18 | ToyKeeper | But I think new stuff will start to take advantage of the new features, and then we'll need to invent ways to transport those new features and make them portable... and in 30 years, maybe people will wonder how they lived without it. |
| 22:27.03 | numist | the best are the #mediawiki illegal channel name |
| 22:27.19 | ToyKeeper | I'm just impatient. There are a bunch of things I want to use/write which require new filesystem concepts, and I can't yet... without writing a *lot* of kludgey work-around code. |
| 22:28.48 | ChipX86 | no matter what you do, you need a bundle format |
| 22:29.00 | ChipX86 | and you would need files to just exist in that |
| 22:29.17 | ChipX86 | filesystem metadata support doesn't even help there |
| 22:29.33 | ToyKeeper | If you have to make your own mini-filesystem to work around limitations in the primary filesystem, that means the primary is inadequate. |
| 22:29.35 | ChipX86 | a filesystem is not transferrable. An archive or bundle is |
| 22:29.40 | ChipX86 | no |
| 22:29.46 | ChipX86 | the primary filesystem can't do some things |
| 22:29.47 | ToyKeeper | An archive *is* a filesystem. |
| 22:29.48 | ChipX86 | it's not movable |
| 22:29.59 | ChipX86 | it's a representation of one, yes |
| 22:30.05 | ChipX86 | it can store files and all that. Great. |
| 22:30.10 | ChipX86 | so can a word document |
| 22:30.17 | ChipX86 | but the main filesystem cannot be sent somewhere |
| 22:30.19 | ToyKeeper | A word document is also a filesystem. |
| 22:30.28 | ChipX86 | yes, in a manner of speaking, it is |
| 22:30.31 | ToyKeeper | I send mail filesystems regularly... cat /dev/hda | netcat |
| 22:30.38 | ToyKeeper | s/mail/main/ |
| 22:30.43 | ChipX86 | you're not being realistic |
| 22:31.05 | ToyKeeper | I'll buy you a pizza in 30 years if it doesn't happen. ;P |
| 22:32.00 | ToyKeeper | Transport filesystems do differ from storage filesystems, but there's no reason they can't represent exactly the same data. |
| 22:32.09 | ChipX86 | explain to me how you think the file and its metadata in a filesystem sitting directly on the block device is going to be sent to people across a network |
| 22:32.19 | ChipX86 | okay, you keep changing what you're talking about |
| 22:32.26 | ChipX86 | I already said you would have to do a bundle format or archive format |
| 22:32.31 | ChipX86 | you said that's not sufficient, it must be the primary one |
| 22:32.47 | ChipX86 | now it seems that you're going back on that |
| 22:32.58 | ToyKeeper | No, it'll need at least two formats... one for random access on disk, and one for transport. |
| 22:33.02 | ToyKeeper | But both are filesystems. |
| 22:33.09 | ChipX86 | I said that a long time ago |
| 22:33.15 | ChipX86 | you were too busy telling me that was wrong :P |
| 22:33.27 | ToyKeeper | You were too busy telling me it wasn't a filesystem. :) |
| 22:33.46 | purple_cow | how is having two formats better than one? :P |
| 22:33.55 | ToyKeeper | Each vendor will probably have their own on-disk format... doesn't matter, so long as only a small, standard set of transport formats are used. |
| 22:34.24 | purple_cow | that only works if every vendor's on-disk format has the same features |
| 22:34.27 | ChipX86 | ToyKeeper: you're quite confused |
| 22:34.29 | purple_cow | otherwise, you start to lose bits of data |
| 22:35.00 | ToyKeeper | purple_cow: You don't really need a journalling filesystem to send a picture to your mom. So, use something more like tar or PNG instead. |
| 22:35.38 | ChipX86 | that goes against what you said earlier |
| 22:35.50 | purple_cow | i just don't see the advantage of separating the storage of data and metadata |
| 22:36.07 | purple_cow | if your complaint is actually "this file format isn't extensible enough," then say that |
| 22:37.05 | ToyKeeper | purple_cow: Okay. I think almost every format is not extensible enough. |
| 22:37.49 | ChipX86 | so this has nothing to do with on-disk filesystems, so let's drop that from the discussion |
| 22:37.58 | ToyKeeper | I think current on-disk filesystems are insufficient too. |
| 22:38.06 | purple_cow | insufficient for what? :P |
| 22:38.09 | ChipX86 | but that won't solve your problem, so let's drop that part |
| 22:38.31 | purple_cow | well, it *would* solve that problem, but it also introduces a lot more problems |
| 22:38.53 | ChipX86 | well, yeah, that's hwat I mean.. namely the transfer of said metadata |
| 22:39.18 | darth_mall | bye kids |
| 22:39.36 | ToyKeeper | I think file formats should be generally replaced with agreements about which metadata should be included... more like xml schemas than an actual custom format. |
| 22:40.43 | ToyKeeper | This image file conforms to jpeg schema 285a, meaning it has wavelet-encoded image data, width/height tags, a creation date, etc... |
| 22:40.58 | ToyKeeper | ... but you can still "cat foo.jpg/width" to find out how wide it is. |
| 22:42.15 | ToyKeeper | If you access it by its base filename, like "cat foo.jpg", you get a serialized representation of the file plus all its hierarchic metadata. |
| 22:43.31 | ToyKeeper | That would require putting a tar-like utility into the kernel, but sure would eliminate a lot of complexity in the applications and user interfaces. |
| 22:44.07 | ChipX86 | nope, it would add more |
| 22:44.15 | ChipX86 | because you have to do this to every OS, embedded and otherwise |
| 22:44.28 | ToyKeeper | How is 1000 different standards less complex than one or two? |
| 22:44.33 | ChipX86 | then you break old apps, because suddenly this data file they thought they understood has all this unknown data at the end |
| 22:45.59 | ToyKeeper | Forget the legacy formats... those have already been dealt with. New filesystems already have drivers to translate to/from those, like the /etc/passwd example in the reiser docs. |
| 22:47.06 | ToyKeeper | The drivers provide a new-style standard interface to the old proprietary format, so that apps can do more with smaller, generic code. |
| 22:47.22 | purple_cow | really all you're describing a generic container format. you'd still have thousands of "schemas" that apps would have to understand |
| 22:47.46 | ToyKeeper | You would have lots of schemas... or, more likely, something closer to "duck typing" at a file level. |
| 22:48.08 | ToyKeeper | Don't even bother checking a file's type... check its API for the functions you need. |
| 22:48.54 | ChipX86 | so what you really want is an object store |
| 22:49.08 | ChipX86 | not even a filesystem, just one big object store, where every "file" is an object with metadata |
| 22:49.14 | ChipX86 | and API functions |
| 22:49.18 | ToyKeeper | It's different enough from a posix filesystem that you could probably call it that. |
| 22:49.27 | ChipX86 | this is very much not a new idea |
| 22:49.32 | ChipX86 | it's a neat one |
| 22:49.34 | ToyKeeper | An object store is also a file system, though. |
| 22:49.38 | ChipX86 | but moving from where we are to that... |
| 22:49.45 | ToyKeeper | ... will take a long time. |
| 22:49.51 | ChipX86 | okay, please, let's keep a simplified definition of a filesystem here |
| 22:49.56 | ChipX86 | you can say almost any file format is a filesystem |
| 22:49.59 | ChipX86 | it just complicates the discussion |
| 22:50.23 | ChipX86 | actually, I'm done with the discussion. I'm not being paid to talk about filesystems |
| 22:50.28 | purple_cow | heh |
| 22:50.30 | ChipX86 | and I have a ton on my plate before I can go home |
| 22:50.39 | ToyKeeper | A bunch of papers in a pile is a file system. Practically every non-raw file format is a filesystem. But I can call it something else, if desired. |
| 22:50.57 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, enjoy the work plate. :) |
| 22:52.54 | ToyKeeper | It seems that renaming old ideas to make them seem innovative is the way of things in the tech world, so I guess I can't expect anyone to think of the right concept without a new word for it. |
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| 23:03.06 | hardwire | hop hop hop |
| 23:05.35 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/src/prefs.cpp: move config out of my docs dir, and into the proper 'application data" dir |
| 23:11.04 | lurgy | hurray for gst-python |
| 23:17.31 | purple_cow | hah |
| 23:17.37 | lurgy | fun exercise :) |
| 23:17.48 | lurgy | when are you heading over to chez thuy? |
| 23:18.25 | purple_cow | i'm gonna leave here about 5:50 |
| 23:22.39 | lurgy | hehe |
| 23:22.40 | lurgy | ok |
| 23:22.45 | lurgy | i'll come visit then |
| 23:22.56 | lurgy | if that's good by you |
| 23:41.41 | ChipX86 | awwww |
| 23:41.47 | ChipX86 | it's too late for 5.5 to do something I wanted to do |
| 23:43.53 | lurgy | yay for having buttons for playing shostakovich |
| 23:46.51 | purple_cow | pff, kendra wants to take a shower before joining us at chez thuy |
| 23:47.07 | scanlime | pff |
| 23:47.29 | scanlime | you could wait until she least suspects it, then jump in and grab her |
| 23:47.33 | purple_cow | apparently "covered in aluminum filings and WD-40" isn't "publically presentable" |
| 23:47.37 | scanlime | clothes are overrated during fine dining |
| 23:47.42 | lurgy | that's crazy silly talk |
| 23:47.53 | ChipX86 | there are people who don't eat naked? |
| 23:48.07 | scanlime | ChipX86: it's hard to believe, I know |
| 23:48.12 | ChipX86 | weirdos |
| 23:48.16 | scanlime | go go gadget bluetooth... |
| 23:48.17 | scanlime | fuck |
| 23:48.23 | scanlime | I didn't tell you to crash |
| 23:48.39 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:50.07 | Sophie197 | whatsa chez thuy? |
| 23:50.37 | purple_cow | vietnamese restaurant |
| 23:50.54 | ChipX86 | mmm |
| 23:51.03 | Sophie197 | oh. I ate at a vietmanese pho soup place awhile ago |
| 23:51.07 | purple_cow | mmm pho |
| 23:51.10 | scanlime | mm |
| 23:51.14 | Sophie197 | weirdest spring rolls ever. |
| 23:51.22 | scanlime | Sophie197: the clear ones? :) |
| 23:51.32 | Sophie197 | yeah, icky. |
| 23:51.34 | scanlime | hehe |
| 23:51.40 | scanlime | they're definitely weird, though |
| 23:51.52 | Sophie197 | that jelly stuff unnerves me |
| 23:51.58 | scanlime | I love that peanut sauce they give you with the spring rolls |
| 23:52.03 | Sophie197 | and it takes a lot to unnerve me. |
| 23:52.07 | lurgy | purple_cow: are you gonna head over right now then? |
| 23:52.34 | Sophie197 | I et a baby squid without being unnerved. |
| 23:52.38 | purple_cow | lurgy: guesso. haven't heard from chris yet, but he may just show up there and/or call someone |
| 23:52.46 | purple_cow | speak of the devil |
| 23:52.59 | ChipX86 | oh no, not the devil :( |
| 23:53.14 | Sophie197 | audioscrobbler is cool |
| 23:53.17 | ChipX86 | man |
| 23:53.22 | ChipX86 | this is so sexy, it really should go in libsexy |
| 23:53.24 | ChipX86 | but it can't! |
| 23:53.34 | scanlime | UHCI should go in libsexy |
| 23:53.40 | Sophie197 | they give me my own radio thingy. I give them 3 dollars a month |
| 23:53.47 | purple_cow | lurgy: so we'll go as soon as you're here |
| 23:53.49 | ChipX86 | radio thingy? |
| 23:53.50 | lurgy | purple_cow: okeydokey |
| 23:53.59 | Sophie197 | yeah. Plays all songs you like. |
| 23:54.19 | Sophie197 | http://www.last.fm/user/Sophie197/ |
| 23:54.25 | Sophie197 | that's me ^ |
| 23:57.36 | ChipX86 | scanlime: BAH |
| 23:57.44 | ChipX86 | did you see palo-alto? :( |
| 23:57.47 | ChipX86 | got my hopes up |
| 23:57.57 | scanlime | haha |
| 23:58.06 | scanlime | they had kegs over here earlier... |
| 23:58.11 | scanlime | did they just get confused? |
| 23:58.13 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:58.14 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 23:58.18 | scanlime | aw |
| 23:58.18 | ChipX86 | I want beer bash! |
| 23:58.29 | scanlime | you could.. yaknow.. walk down the street |
| 23:58.29 | ChipX86 | now all I have to look forward to is hours of video gaming |
| 23:58.33 | ChipX86 | no! |
| 23:58.36 | ChipX86 | they should bring it to meeeee |
| 23:59.54 | Sophie197 | http://home.earthlink.net/~ggazic/sophie3.jpg |
