| 00:06.15 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r224 10prototype/src/ (MediaCenter.java Menu.java MenuItem.java MenuLoader.java): yay! we're deserializing the menu properly. no more speaker, for now |
| 00:06.27 | scanlime | oh. it's time to leave... |
| 00:14.48 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r225 10prototype/src/RingMenu.java: give ourselves a LayoutManager |
| 00:19.28 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r226 10prototype/src/ (MediaCenter.java StateController.java): yay! it's a bunch of overlapping icons! |
| 00:21.01 | hardwire | 4:20 man! |
| 00:21.06 | hardwire | well.. 4:21 |
| 00:21.15 | hardwire | sharing time is over. |
| 00:23.16 | hardwire | is there a URL for smrt's jupiter project? |
| 00:23.26 | hardwire | or |
| 00:23.26 | hardwire | shit |
| 00:23.35 | hardwire | is there a link for the smrt project.. that jupiter is working on :) |
| 00:25.35 | purple_cow | hardwire: other than svn, no |
| 00:25.42 | hardwire | wtf is it? |
| 00:25.44 | hardwire | just so I know |
| 00:25.46 | hardwire | and can forget about it |
| 00:25.53 | purple_cow | our senior project |
| 00:26.10 | hardwire | whats it do? |
| 00:26.20 | purple_cow | nothing yet |
| 00:26.27 | hardwire | whats it going to do? |
| 00:26.28 | purple_cow | eventually it'll be a tivo/freevo like interface in 3d |
| 00:26.31 | hardwire | ok |
| 00:32.20 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r227 10prototype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): i rock so hard |
| 00:36.19 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r228 10prototype/src/RingLayout.java: make the icons a little bigger for now. need to figure out how to get nice exponential scaling going |
| 00:40.36 | ChipX86 | mwahahaha |
| 00:40.53 | ChipX86 | internally, this is: \t192\t.\t168\t.\t0\t.\t3 |
| 00:40.59 | ChipX86 | but when I copy it, it becomes 192.168.0.3 |
| 00:46.53 | purple_cow | http://www.ufomaps.com/ |
| 01:02.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/audio/ (inc/audio.h src/audio.cpp): |
| 01:02.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: notification when jobs are done |
| 01:02.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: clearing of dead jobs |
| 01:02.31 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Hardware 3D audio |
| 01:03.02 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 01:03.03 | jbot | No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. |
| 01:04.53 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r229 10prototype/src/RingLayout.java: add a completely arbitrary exponential scaling function |
| 01:09.17 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r230 10prototype/src/ (Menu.java MenuLoader.java RingLayout.java RingMenu.java): strategically sprinkle some freeze() and thaw() functions around, for MORE FASTNESS |
| 01:26.03 | kergoth | purple_cow: what was that place you guys ordered that indian and thai stuffs from a lot? |
| 01:26.34 | purple_cow | tastybite |
| 01:26.41 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r231 10prototype/src/ (8 files): lots of commenting! |
| 01:26.47 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 01:26.47 | kergoth | thanks |
| 01:30.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/audio/ (inc/audio.h src/audio.cpp): |
| 01:30.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add per channel volume and pan |
| 01:30.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add startup options to set max channels and stream buffer |
| 01:30.38 | scanlime | wow.. I'm not the only white guy living on this floor |
| 01:31.50 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/client.cpp: read in volumes and startup settings from config |
| 01:35.22 | kergoth | had one of those instant thai peanut dealies that you can microwave, from the grocery store. was surprised at how good it was |
| 01:38.42 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 01:39.19 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r232 10prototype/src/ (4 files): send LgEvents through to Menus, fix a typo |
| 01:40.05 | pagefault | can you guys connect to wow |
| 01:40.08 | pagefault | he |
| 01:40.09 | kergoth | nope |
| 01:40.10 | pagefault | heh |
| 01:40.12 | pagefault | it's timing out |
| 01:40.14 | kergoth | been trying for a while now |
| 01:40.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:41.32 | scanlime | purple_cow: bah! |
| 01:43.58 | purple_cow | bah? |
| 01:44.48 | scanlime | about the printouts |
| 01:44.53 | scanlime | it really isn't worth stressing over |
| 01:45.01 | purple_cow | yeah, i know :P |
| 01:50.01 | scanlime | ugh.. this bluetooth howto is using all the wrong usb terminology |
| 01:51.25 | scanlime | and their description of the bluetooth USB HCI is wrong |
| 01:51.42 | scanlime | I only started reading that document this afternoon and it's already easy to tell this thing is bogus |
| 01:51.42 | scanlime | bleh |
| 02:00.06 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r233 10prototype/src/ (RingLayout.java RingMenu.java): well, they're moving linearly (instead of around in a circle), but they move! |
| 02:00.14 | purple_cow | i am so awesome |
| 02:00.36 | kergoth | ooh, moving. |
| 02:00.46 | scanlime | hah |
| 02:00.48 | scanlime | http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:01.13 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:01.38 | scanlime | ooh.. and there's a link to a project that can send and receive audio on a cellphone by emulating a bluetooth headset |
| 02:01.39 | scanlime | that's cool |
| 02:01.55 | scanlime | I could use my cellphone as a voip gateway, and mount it on the roof or something so it gets a good signal :P |
| 02:02.09 | darth_mall | purple_cow: wow... awesome |
| 02:02.30 | purple_cow | because that's somehow more efficient than the free long distance you get with just about any cell phone plan nowadays? :P |
| 02:02.33 | purple_cow | darth_mall: isn't it? :D |
| 02:02.56 | purple_cow | hold down left or right for a hilarious surprise! |
| 02:04.04 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 02:04.14 | darth_mall | that's great |
| 02:04.32 | scanlime | purple_cow: that's not what I'm saying.. use the phone to place outgoing calls on behalf of voip devices |
| 02:04.42 | scanlime | purple_cow: this code emulates a headset, not a phone |
| 02:04.44 | purple_cow | scanlime: that's also sily |
| 02:04.49 | purple_cow | silly, too |
| 02:04.51 | scanlime | kinda, yeah :) |
| 02:04.55 | scanlime | but it's a cute thought |
| 02:04.59 | kergoth | scanlime: yeah, i was thinking about playing with that. hook it up to asterisk :) |
| 02:05.08 | scanlime | nod |
| 02:05.18 | scanlime | there are sure a lot of silly ways to use bluetooth... |
| 02:05.40 | scanlime | though GPRS and a python console over bluetooth should be useful |
| 02:06.04 | scanlime | any bluetooth-happy device near my phone gets a super-speedy wireless internet connection |
| 02:09.12 | purple_cow | darth_mall: it's pretty surprising how easy it was to get that working |
| 02:09.41 | purple_cow | at this point i don't know whether java and lg3d are great or i just have too much programming experience :P |
| 02:13.51 | scanlime | obviously it's because java is the best language evar |
| 02:14.18 | scanlime | ooh.. my phone should get here next monday |
| 02:14.53 | kergoth | yay |
| 02:23.53 | scanlime | huh |
| 02:24.53 | scanlime | 'course, I might as well just make it an EE project and come up with an adaptor that turns any phone into a bluetooth hands-free device |
| 02:26.23 | purple_cow | scanlime: :D |
| 02:26.54 | scanlime | that would rock.. I love my snoopy phone, but it is doomed to obsolescence by the death of POTS |
| 02:28.40 | scanlime | damn |
| 02:28.56 | scanlime | I'm tempted to go to fry's and get a bluetooth USB adaptor and headset so I can play with this stuff |
| 02:29.07 | scanlime | but I already have a bluetooth USB adaptor coming in the mail with my phone |
| 02:29.20 | scanlime | can't quite see the need for having two of those unless I wanted to play with IP over bluetooth or something |
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| 02:54.06 | nullpuppy | those go great together |
| 02:54.22 | purple_cow | they're not for eating *together* |
| 02:54.53 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:55.03 | purple_cow | the shampoo is for keeping my hair clean, and the ice cream is for this here pie |
| 02:55.25 | nullpuppy | ooooh, pie! |
| 02:56.29 | laodamas | π! |
| 02:56.31 | nullpuppy | good stuff.. need to learn how to make this stuff myself :) |
| 02:58.37 | scanlime | λ |
| 03:08.18 | scanlime | mmm |
| 03:08.24 | nullpuppy | hahahaha |
| 03:08.32 | nullpuppy | http://aeruder.ath.cx:7777/ignoreplugin.png |
| 03:08.57 | scanlime | hahaha |
| 03:09.38 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:14.39 | nullpuppy | oooh! boondock saints finished |
| 03:34.03 | kergoth | awesome, http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=231 |
| 03:35.49 | alm262 | tabs are evil! thou shalt use spaces for everything! |
| 03:38.48 | purple_cow | bad alm262 |
| 03:40.31 | purple_cow | using spaces only is marginally less bad than using tabs only, but it's still bad |
| 03:40.49 | alm262 | purple_cow: are you saying we should mix tabs and spaces! |
| 03:41.09 | alm262 | s/!/?/ |
| 03:41.14 | purple_cow | yes |
| 03:41.56 | purple_cow | except in python ;) |
| 03:42.11 | kergoth | the one that link directs you to is the best of both worlds imho |
| 03:42.16 | kergoth | tabs for indentation and spaces for alignment |
| 03:45.16 | kergoth | wow, http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/align.htm is really cool |
| 03:45.59 | scanlime | purple_cow: that's a nice thought, but I've never seen anybody successfully mix tabs and spaces in a real project :P |
| 03:45.59 | purple_cow | 404 |
| 03:46.10 | purple_cow | scanlime: well....nyah |
| 03:46.14 | kergoth | missed the l |
| 03:46.15 | kergoth | http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/align.html |
| 03:46.18 | kergoth | check that out |
| 03:46.27 | purple_cow | gah |
| 03:46.30 | purple_cow | no! |
| 03:46.33 | purple_cow | that is NOT REALLY COOL |
| 03:46.44 | kergoth | scanlime: mostly thats due to people combining tabs and spaces for indentation, by using tabs for compression |
| 03:46.47 | purple_cow | that is one of the fugliest web pages i have ever seen |
| 03:46.56 | kergoth | purple_cow: yeah i know, its horrid, but look at what the .vim does |
| 03:47.45 | scanlime | kergoth: mostly it's due to people caring about nothing except the visible characters they see on their screen |
| 03:47.55 | kergoth | heh, true enough |
| 03:48.03 | scanlime | which is kind of a natural reaction, you know :P |
| 03:48.15 | kergoth | and most of the ones that do care often dont understand the nature of the problem |
| 03:48.20 | scanlime | so you might as well stick to spaces only until everyone switches to an editor that handles tabs nicely (never) |
| 03:48.29 | scanlime | no |
| 03:48.40 | scanlime | the ones that really do care get driven insane because nobody else on the project cares |
| 03:48.45 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:49.17 | scanlime | most of the programmers at vmware are the best out there, and we have coding standards.. one of which is no tabs. Yet, guess what I see all over our code... |
| 03:49.38 | kergoth | :( |
| 03:49.49 | scanlime | using tabs at all is just an accident waiting to happen when you have to work in a collaborative environment |
| 03:50.18 | scanlime | sure you'd like to just go through and fix all the whitespace, but that would be a nightmare for branch management |
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| 03:55.05 | purple_cow | yay frank zappa |
| 04:01.54 | darth_mall | man |
| 04:01.57 | darth_mall | why am I so hungry |
| 04:02.19 | purple_cow | i have pie |
| 04:02.40 | darth_mall | you do |
| 04:02.57 | purple_cow | in fact |
| 04:03.03 | purple_cow | one might say that i even have *extra* pie |
| 04:04.03 | darth_mall | you should bring it to the meeting tomorrow |
| 04:04.06 | darth_mall | like donuts, but better! =D |
| 04:04.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:05.28 | darth_mall | it's a good thing Bacardi hired some fat, ugly rapper I've never heard of to tell me to drink responsibly |
| 04:06.27 | purple_cow | well, otherwise you might not know... |
| 04:06.32 | darth_mall | it's true |
| 04:08.02 | scanlime | hehe |
| 04:08.36 | scanlime | that's how advertising works. Subliminally, they want you to know that you too can be a fat, ugly rapper that nobody's heard of if you drink responsibly |
| 04:09.00 | scanlime | woo... |
| 04:09.05 | scanlime | gaussian-fu |
| 04:16.54 | scanlime | mmmm |
| 04:19.26 | slimspace | darth_mall: I may be a little late getting out of my 11-noon class tomorrow. Can we do the think-aloud like right after the interview? |
| 04:21.21 | darth_mall | yeah, did you see my e-mail? |
| 04:21.43 | slimspace | oh, right :) |
| 04:21.47 | slimspace | no, I didn't, but now I see it |
| 04:22.07 | slimspace | great, so tomorrow should go well then. |
| 04:29.00 | darth_mall | blah |
| 04:30.13 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (3d/inc/textures.h 3d/src/textures.cpp client/src/menus.cpp): alignment modes for drawn images |
| 04:31.21 | scanlime | haha, sweet. I have a loopy app that applies a gaussian blur on top of the target application :) |
| 04:31.39 | scanlime | a real gaussian this time, with e^(-x^2) and everything |
| 04:33.39 | scanlime | heh |
| 04:33.50 | scanlime | with glxgears, every time it blurs out you get the illusion that the gears are moving faster |
| 04:33.55 | scanlime | plays tricks on your head |
| 04:38.02 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r234 10prototype/src/ (11 files): god i hate printing out source code. try *very* hard to get things to 80 cols so that a2ps output doesn't suck |
| 04:38.15 | scanlime | ugh |
| 04:38.22 | scanlime | I spent so long doing that on my senior project |
| 04:40.59 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I've got a trick for getting 80 chars per line |
| 04:41.34 | purple_cow | darth_mall: well, the problem is that i don't *always* want 80 chars :P |
| 04:42.01 | purple_cow | there are some lines where there's no possible way to make it not ugly, so i just let those wrap |
| 04:42.02 | darth_mall | ok, I've still got a trick |
| 04:42.05 | purple_cow | what's that? |
| 04:42.15 | darth_mall | :set tw=80 |
| 04:42.20 | darth_mall | then on each line you want to wrap |
| 04:42.25 | darth_mall | gq$ |
| 04:42.41 | purple_cow | darth_mall: cool, i'll keep that in mind |
| 04:42.52 | darth_mall | if you wanna do the whole file, go to the top of the file and do: gqG |
| 04:43.23 | darth_mall | gq} will go from the cursor to the first blank line it encounters |
| 04:44.39 | purple_cow | arg, 5 pages, double sided |
| 04:44.45 | darth_mall | yum |
| 04:44.47 | darth_mall | me too |
| 04:47.05 | darth_mall | try it? you haven't had any yet? |
| 04:47.20 | purple_cow | nope |
| 04:54.01 | purple_cow | mmmm |
| 04:54.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9060 10loopy/pbuffer-blur.py: This demo is in a small state of disarray, but it now showcases a spiffy gaussian blur object that uses dynamically sized textures and dynamic kernel quantizations to handle a wide range of blur radii efficiently |
| 05:01.44 | darth_mall | uhoh... Chuck Norris movie... |
| 05:02.29 | purple_cow | well.... |
| 05:02.37 | purple_cow | martial arts skill *is* directly proportional to hair |
| 05:03.42 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 05:03.46 | darth_mall | what a moustache |
| 05:04.17 | darth_mall | wow... talk about a caring, dramatic look. |
| 05:08.41 | scanlime | hmm. viewportSandbox... |
| 05:08.55 | scanlime | smrt needs picture-in-picture, right? :) |
| 05:08.56 | kergoth | ChipX86: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot58.jpg |
| 05:08.58 | darth_mall | awesome... zombie-telemarketers on the X-File |
| 05:08.59 | kergoth | pagefault: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot58.jpg |
| 05:09.04 | darth_mall | erm... X-Files |
| 05:09.18 | scanlime | kergoth: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot58.jpg |
| 05:09.28 | kergoth | scanlime: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot58.jpg? |
| 05:09.35 | scanlime | darth_mall: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot58.jpg |
| 05:09.41 | scanlime | kergoth: http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot59.jpg |
| 05:09.47 | kergoth | ohhhh okay |
| 05:15.50 | darth_mall | bah |
| 05:16.03 | darth_mall | all the books on tape I want from the Boulder library appear to not be in or damaged |
| 05:16.05 | scanlime | heh. vmware's putting me in this nasty habit of using {} even for one-line blocks |
| 05:16.28 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:16.38 | scanlime | they have such a weird coding style :P |
| 05:16.40 | scanlime | 3 spaces? |
| 05:16.41 | scanlime | bah! |
| 05:17.26 | darth_mall | hab |
| 05:18.04 | scanlime | ! |
| 05:36.18 | darth_mall | hah! I knew that sounded like Adam West |
| 05:36.48 | darth_mall | wow... the cast of Chicken Little kinda makes me want to see it |
| 05:37.05 | purple_cow | from what i saw at siggraph, it looks OK |
| 05:37.21 | darth_mall | most of those kinds of films these days are ok |
| 05:37.31 | darth_mall | which is why I usually don't pay to see them in theatres ^^ |
| 05:37.55 | darth_mall | because, now that I think about it, I usually only pay to see shitty movies... ? |
| 05:37.58 | darth_mall | >< |
| 05:39.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:43.00 | darth_mall | at any rate Chicken Little has Adam West, Patrick Stewart, Catherine O'Hara, Joan Cusack, Don Knotts... |
| 05:43.28 | darth_mall | oooh... Harry Shearer |
| 05:44.31 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 05:44.49 | darth_mall | there's a guy in the movie who did the voice of Bloaty on Zim |
| 05:47.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9061 10loopy/loopy.c: |
| 05:47.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Implement viewport tracking, and "viewportSandbox". viewportSandbox provides a |
| 05:47.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: way to scale all of a GLState's viewport changes to create a picture-in-picture |
| 05:47.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: effect. This can be used alone to place the target app in a small window, or it |
| 05:47.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: can be used to facilitate rendering a target app into a texture without that |
| 05:47.41 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: app's knowledge. |
| 05:48.07 | purple_cow | scanlime: crazy bastard |
| 05:48.44 | scanlime | :) |
| 05:49.47 | lurgy | "The body consists of three parts -- the brainium, the borax, and the abominable cavity. The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the abominable cavity contains the bowls, of which there are five -- a,e, i, o, and u." |
| 05:50.13 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:51.45 | darth_mall | awww... Mark Hamil has been reduced to doing Comcast commercials |
| 05:51.58 | purple_cow | haha |
| 05:51.59 | darth_mall | lurgyhah |
| 05:53.03 | scanlime | woo, this is trippy |
| 05:53.08 | nullpuppy | haha, thats awesome |
| 05:53.10 | nullpuppy | lurgy: whats taht from? |
| 05:53.46 | scanlime | I have video blurring in and out in real time.. but there's a bug in the texture buffering that gives it kind of a cheap strobe-light music video feel |
| 05:54.39 | lurgy | nullpuppy: some link on p.g.o |
| 05:54.52 | nullpuppy | ah, ok |
| 05:55.16 | lurgy | http://sunflower.singnet.com.sg/~yisheng/notes/jokes/kid_sci.htm |
| 05:55.19 | lurgy | and now |
| 05:55.23 | lurgy | bedtime |
| 05:59.35 | scanlime | OMGBBQ!!!!!111one |
| 05:59.41 | scanlime | this is running real-time |
| 05:59.58 | darth_mall | scanlime: you'd make a good bug-zombie-maker-dude |
| 06:00.07 | scanlime | bug zombie? |
| 06:01.46 | darth_mall | oooh... this is one of the really cool episodes |
| 06:01.53 | darth_mall | with the brilliant psychic kid |
| 06:03.10 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r9062 10loopy/pbuffer-blur.py: This needs a lot of cleanup, but.. huzzah, real-time blurring of the target application itself by redirecting its output into a pbuffer |
| 06:04.26 | scanlime | that blurring code is nuts, even for me... |
| 06:10.28 | darth_mall | toilet paper commercials are hilarious |
| 06:11.01 | purple_cow | scanlime: "real-time" is maybe a little bit of an exaggeration :P |
| 06:12.03 | darth_mall | kergoth: you like the Black Eyed Peas, yeah? |
| 06:12.51 | scanlime | purple_cow: it's real-time on my video card :) |
| 06:13.12 | scanlime | it will kill the fill-rate of lesser cards |
| 06:13.31 | scanlime | still doesn't use multitexture yet, though its new architecture should make it much easier to implement that |
| 06:16.57 | kergoth | darth_mall: yup |
| 06:18.00 | darth_mall | kergoth: I should get some of your stuff sometime |
| 06:18.12 | darth_mall | probably after I get back from Durango next week |
| 06:19.04 | purple_cow | ayn rand! |
| 06:20.17 | darth_mall | sure, if I want to fall asleep on my drive and crash into a tree |
| 06:21.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:21.29 | purple_cow | yay fun! |
| 06:22.20 | purple_cow | so should we show off the hyperspinny mode of our prototype tomorrow or not? :) |
| 06:22.43 | darth_mall | yes! |
| 06:22.46 | darth_mall | best feature ever |
| 06:25.31 | scanlime | uh oh.. hyperspinny? |
| 06:25.51 | purple_cow | yep |
| 06:26.17 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 06:26.19 | purple_cow | http://www.thisisbroken.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/batman.jpg |
| 06:30.11 | darth_mall | hehe... scully's so cute when she gets jealous |
| 06:35.57 | purple_cow | ohh man http://www.stephencooks.com/2005/10/warm_duck_breas.html looks tasty |
| 06:48.22 | purple_cow | hmm, neat |
| 06:48.23 | purple_cow | http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/DifferentLayouts-9-14-2005.png |
| 06:48.36 | purple_cow | looks like the msoffice team is finally making some real innovations |
| 06:51.19 | scanlime | sigh. kitchen finally clean. It was like some kind of bell pepper massacre in there |
| 06:52.14 | scanlime | purple_cow: that still looks awfully confusing... |
| 06:52.50 | scanlime | I can appreciate how they've been trying to re-invent the toolbar, but it gets a little old when they have to do it every time they release a product |
| 06:54.59 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 06:55.11 | purple_cow | but they have a decent reason to fiddle |
| 06:55.20 | purple_cow | apparently there are over 1500 commands they're trying to expose |
| 06:56.45 | scanlime | wow |
| 06:57.16 | purple_cow | i can't imagine trying to come up with UI for that |
| 07:00.42 | scanlime | have you looked at any of those videos from the gnome usability study? |
| 07:01.11 | scanlime | it's amusing to take the perspective of a user who knows nothing about the software and has a specific task in mind |
| 07:01.22 | scanlime | really makes it obvious how hard a problem UI design is |
| 07:03.55 | purple_cow | yeah, i've seen some of those |
| 07:04.00 | purple_cow | funny and sad |
| 07:04.30 | scanlime | especially when they hit bugs immediately :P |
| 07:04.45 | scanlime | on one where they were supposed to copy images from a digital camera, the 'import photos' dialog appeared twice |
| 07:05.31 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 07:05.37 | purple_cow | hungry, but not sure what to eat... |
| 07:05.49 | scanlime | rice |
| 07:12.27 | purple_cow | too late |
| 07:21.02 | purple_cow | yay frank zappa! |
| 07:27.16 | purple_cow | http://www.geekonstun.com/mt/archives/marios_64_100405.html |
| 07:29.47 | purple_cow | haha, we love katamario |
| 07:33.35 | purple_cow | i do have to admit |
| 07:33.36 | purple_cow | http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/Figure1.htm |
| 07:33.46 | purple_cow | that's getting to an almost abiword-level of simplicity |
| 07:36.42 | scanlime | almost |
| 07:37.06 | scanlime | I hope they make it look less like something a 14 year old would have drawn in the early 90s... |
| 07:37.37 | scanlime | all the random bevels, alignments, and arrows just look like a mess |
| 07:39.09 | scanlime | heeee... that katamario is great |
| 07:41.06 | purple_cow | hahaha, cool |
| 07:41.19 | purple_cow | i'm reading through the blog of one of the office UI guys |
| 07:41.35 | purple_cow | and he has a movie up of something, both in low-quality wmv and high-quality vmware movie |
| 07:42.37 | scanlime | :) |
| 07:42.39 | purple_cow | so much for dogfooding |
| 07:42.55 | scanlime | well, who in their right mind would use virtual PC, really.. it doesn't have USB |
| 07:43.25 | scanlime | and it certainly doesn't have my rocking MEGA SPEED BOOST patch |
| 07:45.04 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:45.15 | scanlime | on that note, time for sleep :P |
| 07:48.46 | purple_cow | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Missing_milk |
| 07:50.02 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 07:50.05 | purple_cow | Ms Paint lives in Connecticut with Mr Paint and their three children. |
| 08:09.30 | purple_cow | congratulations! |
| 08:10.58 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9063 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (fe-gnome.c textgui.c): welp, it compiles, runs, and doesn't run around stabbing people with shivs, so it's probably OK |
| 08:12.53 | rioter | im scared, she claims shes adopted it |
| 08:13.19 | purple_cow | heh |
| 08:24.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/font/nasalization.ttf: menu font |
| 08:26.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): menu sounds a little bgm |
| 08:27.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/fonts.h src/fonts.cpp): |
| 08:27.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: string size util |
| 08:27.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: option to draw centered |
| 08:28.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/openGL.h inc/textures.h src/textures.cpp): more ways to draw quads then you can shake a cat at |
| 08:28.38 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/audio/ (inc/audio.h src/audio.cpp): let simple jobs start playing for simplicity |
| 08:29.22 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/menus.cpp): more menus |
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| 15:23.35 | darth_mall | ugh... today's lab is called "Version Control" |
| 15:23.48 | *** topic/#tacobeam by darth_mall -> Dresden Dolls tonight! |
| 15:25.09 | darth_mall | oooh... we get to learn CVS today |
| 15:26.11 | Cae | LOL |
| 15:26.18 | Cae | have fun with that... |
| 15:27.51 | pagefault | yay cvs |
| 15:28.29 | file[laptop] | but daddy, I want subversion! |
| 15:30.06 | pagefault | hmm |
| 15:30.10 | pagefault | MSN and yahoo messenger |
| 15:30.18 | darth_mall | sounds like we get to learn how to merge conflicts... |
| 15:30.36 | TD | darth_mall: you're doing better than our VCS class then |
| 15:30.41 | TD | conflict resolution wasn't even mentioned |
| 15:36.16 | file[laptop] | TD: that's because in the prof's perfect world it never happens |
| 15:36.37 | TD | it's because my course is a total waste of space, that's why :) |
| 15:36.46 | file[laptop] | or that too |
| 15:52.12 | pagefault | wee |
| 15:52.28 | file | uh oh it's pagefault |
| 15:52.34 | pagefault | yep |
| 15:52.37 | pagefault | I have been here for a while now |
| 15:52.50 | file | flying low under the radar? |
| 15:52.56 | pagefault | yep |
| 15:53.27 | darth_mall | I love when computer science students start complaining about command lining |
| 15:53.50 | darth_mall | "I don't know why we have to do it this way, no one does it this way anymore. I've never worked at a company where they used the command line" |
| 15:54.06 | kergoth | woke up |
| 15:54.08 | kergoth | that was enough |
| 15:54.31 | file | that's the most horrible thing you can do |
| 15:57.40 | pagefault | oh neat |
| 15:57.47 | pagefault | you can now buy back the last 12 items you sell to the vendor |
| 15:58.30 | darth_mall | hehe... Christian's favorite editor is pico |
| 15:58.44 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 15:59.23 | purple_cow | i think probably freshman year, when i still used pine |
| 16:01.49 | darth_mall | it's a good thing I got up early so that I didn't miss this lab |
| 16:05.14 | pagefault | ugh I want to play WoW |
| 16:05.16 | pagefault | but too much work to do |
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| 16:10.44 | scanlime | darth_mall: that makes me sad :( |
| 16:10.53 | scanlime | the complaining about command lines |
| 16:12.39 | darth_mall | scanlime: yeah |
| 16:12.54 | darth_mall | I love it when they say "I've never worked at a company that used [command line|linux]" |
| 16:13.21 | darth_mall | they shut up real quick when I tell them that I have |
| 16:17.41 | scanlime | haha |
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| 16:19.55 | scanlime | I'm sure there are companies out there that never touch command line build tools.. but who'd want to work for them? :) |
| 16:20.26 | darth_mall | hahahaha |
| 16:20.28 | darth_mall | http://penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20051012l.jpg |
| 16:20.59 | darth_mall | scanlime: I just like the notion that since no one they've worked for uses command line tools, that means no one uses command line tools anymore |
| 16:21.34 | darth_mall | I'm not sure which is worse: the cs students with absolutely no experience whatsoever, or the cs students with a little experience who think that makes them experts on the field |
| 16:21.45 | scanlime | hehe |
| 16:21.57 | scanlime | yeah |
| 16:25.50 | darth_mall | hehe... warm, chunky freedom |
| 16:26.52 | darth_mall | yay! my new comic is up |
| 16:29.38 | darth_mall | ugh... and it sounds like I get to try and help Daniel with his damned laptop again |
| 16:35.40 | scanlime | you sound thrilled |
| 16:36.23 | darth_mall | well, you know how much I love getting other people's wireless cards working |
| 16:36.29 | scanlime | yep |
| 16:36.38 | scanlime | well |
| 16:36.41 | scanlime | actually I don't |
| 16:36.43 | scanlime | but I can imagine |
| 16:36.43 | darth_mall | but for some reason he just booted into windows... |
| 16:37.06 | scanlime | are you with him right now, or helping him over the interweb? |
| 16:37.16 | darth_mall | here |
| 16:37.22 | scanlime | fun |
| 16:37.24 | scanlime | well.. off to work |
| 16:38.28 | darth_mall | ooh... I just found a really pretty comic that Ajay likes |
| 16:43.47 | darth_mall | yeah, there's nothing wrong with his wireless card |
| 16:53.58 | darth_mall | excellent |
| 16:54.08 | darth_mall | gnome suddenly stopped loading on his laptop |
| 16:55.06 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:57.12 | kergoth | "It isn’t work. Don’t use it." |
| 16:57.19 | kergoth | thats what it says on an option in the ip man page |
| 17:16.01 | hardwire | scanlime: any vmware issues w/ xeon E64 host processors? |
| 17:16.18 | scanlime | wow.. google must be making a fortune off of companies like vmware |
| 17:16.26 | hardwire | ok I will check google |
| 17:16.32 | scanlime | hardwire: not that I know of.. that's what my desktop machine is |
| 17:16.44 | scanlime | though I haven't done anything in longmode with it |
| 17:16.51 | hardwire | I am going to buy an hp xeon workstation most likely |
| 17:16.56 | hardwire | mainly for the warranty |
| 17:17.07 | scanlime | We've got a bunch of Dell Poweredge 1800 workstations here |
| 17:17.16 | scanlime | kinda giant, but they're great machines |
| 17:17.16 | hardwire | my dell is on its last leg |
| 17:17.29 | hardwire | and dell isn't sold via our new hardware supplier |
| 17:17.31 | hardwire | so.. moo |
| 17:17.34 | hardwire | I can get Acer :) |
| 17:17.50 | hardwire | but.. I figure.. my dad works for HP.. 50% of my friends back home do too.. |
| 17:17.51 | hardwire | fuck it |
| 17:18.07 | hardwire | if anything I can get lightning fast RMA's |
| 17:18.20 | scanlime | ChipX86: see the mail on funlist asking us not to click the google ads? :P |
| 17:18.28 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 17:18.33 | ChipX86 | haven't logged in yet |
| 17:18.43 | ChipX86 | Jamie's packing up to leave |
| 17:18.48 | ChipX86 | so kinda helping |
| 17:19.23 | hardwire | this is incredible. |
| 17:19.51 | hardwire | our internet at the office here is so incredibly slow. |
| 17:20.00 | hardwire | but nowhere near maxed out |
| 17:20.13 | hardwire | I am going to have to co-locate a server in seattle.. just as a primary squid cache |
| 17:20.26 | hardwire | just to make things feel like I don't live in the fucking boonies |
| 17:21.30 | hardwire | http://www.hp.com/workstations/risc/visualization/overview.html |
| 17:21.32 | hardwire | that would be a hoot |
| 17:26.00 | hardwire | $3,633.68 seems high for a dual Xeon workstation |
| 17:26.23 | scanlime | heh |
| 17:27.49 | hardwire | really.. what would I do with that much power? |
| 17:27.56 | hardwire | 2 gigs and a dual 3.4ghz xeon 64 |
| 17:28.08 | hardwire | I would play doom in software mode faster than I ever imagined. |
| 17:28.26 | hardwire | I would host an xpilot server as never seen before. |
| 17:28.42 | scanlime | you could compile oo.org in a finite amount of time |
| 17:29.07 | hardwire | would you compare vmware on a machine like that.. running at an incredibly reasonable speed |
| 17:29.08 | hardwire | ? |
| 17:29.09 | kergoth | hardwire: do you know if there's any use for the gre 'seq' flag, for packet serialization/sequencing? |
| 17:29.17 | kergoth | hardwire: it seems strange that anyone would implement it at that level |
| 17:29.20 | hardwire | kergoth: wild.. |
| 17:29.28 | kergoth | and the ip man page says "It isn't work. Don't use it" on the option :P |
| 17:29.33 | hardwire | well |
| 17:29.35 | hardwire | no |
| 17:29.39 | hardwire | if it said that I ignored it |
| 17:29.51 | hardwire | BSD has GRE bonding btw. |
| 17:29.58 | hardwire | something I screamed about for a while. |
| 17:29.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:30.01 | kergoth | neat |
| 17:30.24 | hardwire | FBSD has some amazing networking talents.. but I really want linux to catch up on that end |
| 17:31.01 | hardwire | scanlime: how much like a gitty little school girl did you feel when you sat down at your new workstation.. I think thats the hole I am trying to fill at the moment. |
| 17:31.02 | kergoth | hmm, i wonder if linux can do tcp packet filtering while acting as a bridge, the way bsd can. ip-less firewall |
| 17:31.05 | kergoth | probably, with ebtables |
| 17:31.16 | kergoth | mmm, instant pad thai |
| 17:31.26 | hardwire | kergoth: that sounds so unappealing |
| 17:31.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:31.34 | scanlime | hardwire: it's a nice machine, but I think I've passed the phase of getting giddy over a couple of xeons :P |
| 17:31.54 | scanlime | hardwire: it still takes longer than I'd like to compile things, and the video card on here sucks |
| 17:31.58 | kergoth | i'd be giddy if i had cosmicpenguin's box |
| 17:32.09 | kergoth | dual core dual opteron. 4 2.8ghz cores |
| 17:32.11 | kergoth | yummy |
| 17:32.18 | hardwire | scanlime: the video card they are pushing on this workstation is a $1,500 Quadro FX |
| 17:32.27 | hardwire | I am trying to find the same card I have.. only in x16 |
| 17:32.33 | hardwire | its dual DVI.. thats it.. |
| 17:34.40 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I like J. Paul Reed's post on the "Workstation, in orange theme" thread from yesterday |
| 17:34.43 | hardwire | you know what I hate.. |
| 17:34.49 | ChipX86 | and the one he responded to from Eric |
| 17:34.49 | hardwire | sorting ascending.. in a descending fashion |
| 17:35.03 | scanlime | ChipX86: hehe |
| 17:35.20 | scanlime | yes |
| 17:35.33 | scanlime | I had to resist replying with "I'm a little fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.." |
| 17:35.46 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 17:35.49 | hardwire | scanlime: I should be fine with a single Xeon 3.6ghz vs dual |
| 17:35.52 | ChipX86 | Don't cross the streams! |
| 17:35.58 | scanlime | :) |
| 17:35.59 | hardwire | unless vmware can just up and allocate a whole CPU :) |
| 17:36.19 | ChipX86 | 5.5 can do SMP |
| 17:36.22 | hardwire | I would have to change out the wiring to this office.. |
| 17:36.29 | scanlime | hardwire: uh.. you might be able to set CPU affinity on the vcpu thread or something.. but that's silly |
| 17:36.34 | ChipX86 | that serenity thread is massive |
| 17:36.37 | hardwire | scanlime: yes.. silly.. |
| 17:36.38 | ChipX86 | I think my team is seeing it soon |
| 17:36.41 | scanlime | =D |
| 17:36.55 | hardwire | but to bobble headed moofmuckers like myself.. it seems appealing. |
| 17:37.26 | file | hardwire: ...right |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | mm, tastes like burning |
| 17:39.06 | hardwire | kergoth: heh |
| 17:39.12 | hardwire | kergoth: what have you decided as of yet? |
| 17:39.20 | hardwire | vtun >= GRE? |
| 17:39.30 | kergoth | not much, running into build / dev environment issues |
| 17:39.33 | hardwire | I would assume GRE has hella less overhead |
| 17:39.36 | kergoth | havent got them both set up and tested yet |
| 17:39.40 | kergoth | yeah, gre is so light, i love it |
| 17:39.44 | hardwire | kergoth: wtf.. never heard of vmware? |
| 17:39.46 | hardwire | jesus |
| 17:40.02 | hardwire | its not like 50% of this channel isn't working on it. |
| 17:40.08 | kergoth | my company is small and cheap |
| 17:40.13 | kergoth | uml_switch is my friend |
| 17:40.14 | hardwire | so is mine |
| 17:40.14 | hardwire | no |
| 17:40.15 | hardwire | wait |
| 17:40.19 | hardwire | my company is large and cheap |
| 17:40.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:40.27 | hardwire | you know |
| 17:40.33 | hardwire | I spent many a moon in uml_switch |
| 17:40.42 | hardwire | and makign a new uml network driver |
| 17:40.47 | hardwire | and nobody cared |
| 17:40.54 | hardwire | because they saw no sense as to what I aws doing. |
| 17:41.09 | hardwire | kergoth: I was making a uml_switch into a wireless like testing environment |
| 17:41.14 | kergoth | i love using uml to simulate network environments |
| 17:41.17 | hardwire | and now.. you people have your damn network emulators |
| 17:41.24 | kergoth | along with vlan to segment things |
| 17:41.28 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 17:42.03 | file | who needs a real network when you can emulate one? |
| 17:42.13 | scanlime | uml sucks, no USB or DirectX support |
| 17:42.28 | kergoth | yeah, since i need directx so badly in linux |
| 17:42.30 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:42.37 | file | everyone needs it, it's the new craze |
| 17:43.25 | hardwire | for some reason my boss told everybody the use of our voip system is free |
| 17:43.28 | hardwire | I really wish he had a brain. |
| 17:43.38 | hardwire | its like.. top on my todo list.. get boss w/ brain. |
| 17:43.41 | kergoth | hardwire: whats the fastest way for me to simulate a slow conneciton on one of these gre tunnels? wondershaper/tc? |
| 17:43.57 | hardwire | kergoth: hmm |
| 17:43.59 | hardwire | well |
| 17:44.08 | hardwire | its cpu based.. what you are doing |
| 17:44.14 | hardwire | no 10/100 in the way to muck things up |
| 17:44.15 | hardwire | so |
| 17:44.16 | hardwire | in a shell |
| 17:44.20 | hardwire | yes > /dev/null |
| 17:44.24 | hardwire | :) |
| 17:44.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:44.29 | hardwire | you know |
| 17:44.31 | hardwire | I have no idea |
| 17:44.41 | file | when do you ever have one? |
| 17:44.45 | hardwire | I would love it of uml_switch had amanagement tcp/ip port and a gui that could set this shit up |
| 17:44.52 | kergoth | i could write a cheap app either using tun/tap or rtnetlink |
| 17:44.57 | hardwire | file: somebodies panties are in a twist today. |
| 17:45.03 | kergoth | let the kernel stuff the packets into userspace, then i spin and delay them |
| 17:45.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:45.08 | file | yours? I never would have guessed |
| 17:45.23 | hardwire | file: I don't fit in any of the panties at my house.. they don't even come up over my knees. |
| 17:45.31 | hardwire | so there. |
| 17:45.32 | ChipX86 | panties? |
| 17:45.53 | file | uh oh Chip is alive |
| 17:46.04 | hardwire | kergoth: heh.. |
| 17:46.11 | hardwire | kergoth: the easiest way.. is to do a GRE over a vtun |
| 17:46.16 | hardwire | since you can rate limit a vtun |
| 17:46.40 | kergoth | hmm, thatd do |
| 17:46.47 | hardwire | kergoth: you can do ethernet or tuntap w/ vtun remember |
| 17:46.50 | hardwire | tuntap is basicalyl GRE |
| 17:46.59 | hardwire | just not bondable |
| 17:47.24 | kergoth | thatd be enough, since all i really need to test is how out of order packet arrival affects performance |
| 17:47.30 | kergoth | and confirm that the reordering is happening correctly |
| 17:47.42 | hardwire | I RULE! |
| 17:47.47 | hardwire | well |
| 17:47.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:47.51 | hardwire | off to finish this plone skin |
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| 17:48.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: cache sounds so they are only ever loaded once |
| 17:48.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: only load sounds when they are first played. |
| 17:48.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: default volumes. |
| 17:48.33 | hardwire | http://bogomip.com/~hardwire/TDXCSS/TDXCSS_Test_Bubbles_Gray.html needs to become http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com:9673/internal/tdxcorp/tdxcss/ |
| 17:48.36 | hardwire | or visa versa |
| 17:48.54 | hardwire | I really hate CSS |
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| 17:59.40 | hardwire | file: so.. if you had to do a mood profile today.. what would the results be.. would you eat the paper the profile was on? |
| 17:59.53 | file | nah |
| 17:59.57 | file | today isn't a bad day at all |
| 18:00.24 | hardwire | I have chocolate.. Chocolove xoxoxo Orange Peel in Dark Chocolate to be precise. |
| 18:00.41 | hardwire | 55% Cocoa |
| 18:01.21 | hardwire | there is a love poem in every wrapper of this chocolate |
| 18:01.25 | hardwire | just to be corny |
| 18:01.36 | hardwire | I only understand 50% of the words on this one. |
| 18:01.50 | hardwire | Which makes me feel less loving.. and more stupid. |
| 18:02.21 | hardwire | holy taco man this is good chocolate. |
| 18:02.30 | hardwire | the peel is a little crunchy however. |
| 18:02.51 | hardwire | I cannot get any of the girls here to try it |
| 18:03.08 | hardwire | nobody understands dark chocolate in this state. |
| 18:03.16 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 18:04.07 | hardwire | kergoth: its a suck thing. |
| 18:04.11 | hardwire | really it is. |
| 18:04.19 | hardwire | milk chocolate is so creamy it melts.. |
| 18:04.24 | hardwire | dark.. you kinda have to suckle it |
| 18:04.38 | hardwire | like a dark cocoa teet |
| 18:05.04 | hardwire | I hear dsomething rather disturbing the other day.. anybody wanna bite? |
| 18:08.16 | scanlime | careful with that, the duct tape is fragile |
| 18:08.41 | numist | I know.. I already broke it :( |
| 18:08.52 | numist | I really hope thats just debug code thats making it suck so much |
| 18:09.34 | scanlime | ? |
| 18:10.13 | numist | whenever I use the power control buttons on the toolbar (power operations not prompted by the guest OS) it takes 5 minutes or so to process |
| 18:10.19 | numist | during that 5 minutes, its thrashing the disk... |
| 18:11.11 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9064 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: update for latest cvs |
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| 18:12.15 | kergoth | COMPILE FASTER |
| 18:12.16 | kergoth | damnit |
| 18:17.12 | hardwire | I love xzoom |
| 18:17.15 | hardwire | kergoth: dude |
| 18:17.18 | hardwire | chill |
| 18:18.14 | hardwire | calm your monkey like madness |
| 18:19.18 | hardwire | I just did a windows update |
| 18:19.25 | hardwire | it installed the genuine validation tool |
| 18:19.35 | hardwire | I can no longer recieve updates if this is installe |
| 18:19.37 | hardwire | d |
| 18:19.43 | hardwire | and I don't have a genuine copy |
| 18:19.50 | hardwire | good news is.. this is a genuine copy |
| 18:19.55 | nullpuppy | hardwire: in ie tools->Manage Addons and disable |
| 18:19.59 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 18:20.28 | hardwire | nullpuppy: I am not sure what it is.. and it only effects IE? |
| 18:20.53 | hardwire | cause.. I don't use IE :).. its not installed (save for Windows update) |
| 18:21.08 | nullpuppy | well.. what windows update installs pertains to windows updates.. disabling it.. will cause it to be ignored and download the updates anyways... |
| 18:22.11 | hardwire | damn.. friends are drooling over new apple stuff |
| 18:22.23 | scanlime | numist: uh. it shoudln't do that :P |
| 18:22.28 | hardwire | apple is so odd to me.. its like if I buy into it.. all of a sudden I am a minimalist japanese person |
| 18:22.29 | scanlime | numist: maybe you don't have enough RAM? |
| 18:23.44 | nullpuppy | well.. time to head off to get some food and head to work.. |
| 18:24.02 | numist | scanlime: a gig isnt enough? |
| 18:24.30 | scanlime | heh |
| 18:24.37 | numist | this isnt longhorn.. |
| 18:25.14 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9065 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/navigation-tree.c: ws |
| 18:25.25 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9066 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/apps_xchat.schemas: use xchat-remote instead of xchat -a --url |
| 18:25.26 | scanlime | numist: well it isn't the debugging stuff, something strange is going on |
| 18:25.41 | numist | :( |
| 18:25.46 | scanlime | I think my windows box only has a gig of ram, and I haven't had any trouble with it |
| 18:25.53 | numist | hrm... |
| 18:25.54 | scanlime | and I'm always running super-debugful builds |
| 18:26.28 | numist | whenver I hard restart or power off with the controls on the toolbar, it spends a few minutes thrashing my USB Drive until it completes |
| 18:26.47 | numist | cant remember if it does it on my desktop, but it does it every time on my laptop |
| 18:27.25 | scanlime | numist: oh.. if you have the VM on really slow storage, that might explain it. It needs to flush a lot of data to and from disk when powering the VM on or off |
| 18:27.37 | numist | that must be a lot of data |
| 18:27.38 | scanlime | numist: could also be your host OS is using smaller buffers for removable media |
| 18:27.59 | numist | I dont even know if it is buffered.. its one of the cheap usbide controllers |
| 18:28.06 | numist | on usb 1.1 :( |
| 18:28.06 | scanlime | I know windows tries to avoid caching removable disks, to avoid data loss when the disks are yanked |
| 18:28.12 | scanlime | not the hardware buffer, the host OS buffers |
| 18:28.15 | numist | yeah, thats probably what its doing |
| 18:28.17 | scanlime | uh. |
| 18:28.24 | numist | can you force windows to keep a buffer on the disk? |
| 18:28.24 | file | uh oh |
| 18:28.25 | scanlime | you're running a VM off a usb 1.1 disk and complaining that it's slow? |
| 18:28.37 | numist | scanlime: its not slow... only on hard power operations does it do this |
| 18:28.43 | numist | its actually rather snappy normally |
| 18:29.02 | numist | rather snappy considering the disk's bus speed anyway |
| 18:29.11 | scanlime | numist: create a lightweight clone on your local disk |
| 18:29.22 | numist | Ill do more testing |
| 18:29.35 | scanlime | numist: it will keep RAM snapshots and such on your fast disk, but still read through to your USB disk for most of your virtual disk |
| 18:29.45 | numist | how does one tell windows to use buffering on removable disks.? |
| 18:30.09 | numist | a lightweight clone, eh? |
| 18:30.22 | ChipX86 | linked? |
| 18:32.19 | numist | hey chippy, know anything about vmware tools doing bad things to ubuntu? |
| 18:32.39 | scanlime | you can clone VMs.. the default option (linked clones) uses copy-on-write rather than making a full copy of the VM |
| 18:32.50 | ChipX86 | numist: define bad things |
| 18:33.16 | numist | ChipX86: ls throws errors, nothing will execute, only two items in the mounted disk |
| 18:33.28 | numist | something was odd with how it was automounting too, but I didnt have time to look too deeply into it |
| 18:33.33 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 18:33.33 | numist | but when ls throws errors.... |
| 18:33.38 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 18:33.39 | ChipX86 | that's bad |
| 18:33.46 | numist | Ill reproduce once this vm finishes installing |
| 18:33.56 | numist | too bad too.. ubutnu seems nifty |
| 18:34.13 | scanlime | numist: I run ubuntu in a VM every day.. something is up with your system :P |
| 18:34.21 | kergoth | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.devel/3481 |
| 18:34.26 | file | always blame the customer |
| 18:34.32 | numist | hehe |
| 18:34.37 | numist | Im not a customer, Im a tester |
| 18:34.48 | ChipX86 | yeah, works here too |
| 18:34.50 | numist | I'm a lower class of human because I didnt throw any money in |
| 18:35.01 | ChipX86 | poor numist, no license :( |
| 18:35.13 | numist | well I thought I had a log, I think I didnt back it up though :/ |
| 18:35.17 | scanlime | numist: no, you're a lower class of human because you're finding bugs in code I don't care about ;) |
| 18:35.22 | numist | scanlime: bah |
| 18:35.28 | ChipX86 | kbyrd cares about it |
| 18:35.33 | numist | scanlime: if I found bugs in code you cared about, I'd be dead :P |
| 18:35.36 | ChipX86 | numist: question is, does this happen on just that ubuntu vm? |
| 18:35.53 | numist | ChipX86: Ive only used win98 on this install besides ubuntu.. worked fine |
| 18:36.21 | numist | also reported the cpu as cyrix :P |
| 18:36.23 | ChipX86 | might want to create another linux vm and test it |
| 18:36.30 | ChipX86 | it appears somehow that the iso is corrupt |
| 18:36.34 | ChipX86 | or your ubuntu install is fubar |
| 18:36.46 | numist | well, Im reinstalling ubuntu now, so we'll know after lunch |
| 18:36.51 | kergoth | mmm, got my vim all happily folding C code |
| 18:36.53 | numist | that being said... lunch is here.. brb getting food |
| 18:37.22 | purple_cow | i've never been able to convince myself to use folds |
| 18:37.26 | ChipX86 | same |
| 18:37.28 | *** join/#tacobeam Cae (i=cae@celeron.isc.tamu.edu) |
| 18:37.29 | ChipX86 | tried though |
| 18:37.31 | ChipX86 | hey Cae |
| 18:37.32 | kergoth | i dont use them much myself |
| 18:37.34 | kergoth | especially with my code |
| 18:37.38 | Cae | hey |
| 18:37.43 | scanlime | folds are for hookers and fat people |
| 18:37.46 | kergoth | since if the code is long and complex enough to need folds to make sense of it, you're doing something wrong |
| 18:37.47 | purple_cow | i like the idea, it's just i've never found them to be all that useful |
| 18:37.50 | kergoth | and its time to break things up |
| 18:38.04 | kergoth | still, its useful for other peoples code |
| 18:38.46 | purple_cow | i just usually use a split if i need to look at multiple places in a file at once |
| 18:38.54 | scanlime | same |
| 18:46.14 | kergoth | mm, vimdiff/gvimdiff works surprisingly well |
| 18:47.09 | hardwire | I think I am going to make all 'i' chars in IRC appear as an uppercase I |
| 18:47.19 | hardwire | as my silent protest against names begenning with i |
| 18:47.33 | hardwire | infact.. I will just replace i with e |
| 18:47.36 | hardwire | as I already started doing. |
| 18:48.13 | alm262 | e thenk that meght make things confuseng |
| 18:48.24 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (n=pagefaul@pdpc/supporter/active/pagefault) |
| 18:48.29 | pagefault | taco time |
| 18:48.56 | ChipX86 | taco taco |
| 18:50.23 | numist | yay taco |
| 18:53.07 | Cae | The name "avocado" is from its Nahuatl name 'ahuacatl' which also meant testicles, with influence from the irrelevant but much more familiar Spanish avocado an obsolete form of 'abogado' (lawyer). In some countries of South America the avocado fruit is known as 'palta', which is a name that comes from the Quechua language. The usage avocado pear is sometimes used in English. The Nahuatl ahuacatl could be compounded with others, as in ahuacamolli, meaning |
| 18:53.25 | Cae | avocado = testicle |
| 18:53.30 | numist | ... |
| 18:53.40 | scanlime | well duh |
| 18:53.51 | ChipX86 | lawyer testicles |
| 18:54.47 | numist | well scanlime was right.. drive caching was disabled.. thats been fixed now |
| 18:55.01 | scanlime | numist: yay.. it's like having USB ram |
| 18:55.07 | numist | hehe yay |
| 18:57.23 | hardwire | rhythmbox needs mpd support |
| 18:58.03 | numist | ooh ooh, and I got a serial touchpad, which I'm going to move over to usb :) |
| 19:01.43 | scanlime | move over? |
| 19:02.09 | scanlime | you buying a new one, or do people actually make serial to USB mouse adaptors? |
| 19:02.47 | scanlime | please don't tell me you're running a serial mouse driver over a USB to serial adaptor :P |
| 19:03.11 | numist | until I get a microcontroller, thats what I'm going to have to do, sadly |
| 19:03.18 | scanlime | actually, most usb-serial dongles are reprogrammable.. you could write new firmware to convert serial mice into HID devices |
| 19:03.19 | numist | the unit itself is perfect for a carputer |
| 19:04.13 | numist | well I am not wise in the microcontroller-foo... unless you want to intervene, Im going to just use it as a serial device |
| 19:04.27 | scanlime | excuses excuses |
| 19:04.34 | numist | pshaw |
| 19:05.10 | numist | show me how easy it is then :P |
| 19:05.27 | scanlime | which usb-serial adaptor do you have? |
| 19:05.54 | numist | havent acquired one yet |
| 19:06.01 | numist | just have the touchpad and the dream |
| 19:06.04 | scanlime | heh |
| 19:06.22 | scanlime | go for a Keyspan adaptor |
| 19:06.32 | scanlime | all the ones I've seen use either an EZ-USB or TUSB3210 chip |
| 19:06.36 | scanlime | both of which are easy to program |
| 19:06.42 | hardwire | I need a screen measurement tool |
| 19:06.56 | hardwire | click on one pixel.. draw measuring tape.. get results |
| 19:06.56 | scanlime | the belkin adaptors I have use 8051s with some silly I2C USB adaptor |
| 19:07.05 | scanlime | hardwire: gimp does that |
| 19:07.14 | hardwire | scanlime: yeh.. capturing the screen now |
| 19:07.34 | hardwire | I suppose in a roundabout way.. xzoom can do it to |
| 19:07.42 | hardwire | set to 1x scale and resize zoom window to match |
| 19:07.47 | numist | ok, keyspan then |
| 19:08.00 | numist | woo those are not cheap |
| 19:08.02 | scanlime | numist: USB is kinda complicated, but well worth learning :) |
| 19:08.15 | numist | I am going to need some sort of hand holding |
| 19:08.28 | numist | woo $30 |
| 19:08.33 | scanlime | which model? |
| 19:08.45 | numist | froogle's search results |
| 19:08.49 | scanlime | there are a lot that look identical on the outside but are completely different inside |
| 19:08.56 | scanlime | right.. which model number of USB-serial adaptor |
| 19:09.11 | numist | this says USA19HS |
| 19:09.18 | scanlime | oh, nice |
| 19:09.20 | numist | $40, out of stock |
| 19:09.20 | numist | bleh |
| 19:09.28 | numist | is that what I'm looking for though? |
| 19:09.36 | scanlime | the USA19HS is the one I'm familiar with.. it has a TUSB3210, and I wrote some libraries for it |
| 19:09.48 | numist | excellent |
| 19:10.03 | scanlime | the ones with EZUSB processors though are actually more widely supported by the open source community |
| 19:10.24 | numist | well, given that if this project is to see completion, it will involve me bothering the hell out of you... |
| 19:10.28 | numist | which is best? |
| 19:11.02 | scanlime | like I said, I'm partial to the TUSB chips.. but the EZ-USBs are probably "better" |
| 19:11.23 | scanlime | I've used the Keyspan USA-19HS in a couple of projects |
| 19:11.30 | scanlime | the first rev Unicone and my therm base station both use it |
| 19:11.36 | numist | so in the programming portion... how is the code set up? |
| 19:11.49 | numist | an HID driver that you code to match the serial interface on the widget? |
| 19:12.11 | scanlime | well.. you need a USB function that provides a HID interface, and you need a serial mouse driver |
| 19:12.26 | numist | just slap the two together, compile, and load? |
| 19:12.34 | scanlime | you have to write them both :P |
| 19:12.53 | numist | well... a usb function that provices a HID interface --- I imagine that exists somewhere already |
| 19:13.16 | numist | writing a serial mouse driver I know I havent done |
| 19:13.20 | scanlime | uh |
| 19:13.24 | scanlime | both are easy to do... |
| 19:13.33 | numist | <-- never done either, so it's scary :) |
| 19:13.34 | scanlime | HID is more of a schema than a real software layer |
| 19:13.43 | scanlime | you write a descriptor that describes the format of your data |
| 19:13.50 | scanlime | but the actual data format can be pretty much anything you want |
| 19:13.55 | numist | hah |
| 19:13.57 | scanlime | the descriptor just tells the PC's driver how to talk to your device |
| 19:14.11 | numist | hrm.. so I need to figure out how my device talks :P |
| 19:14.15 | scanlime | so almost all the work in writing a HID function is in putting together that descriptor |
| 19:14.18 | kergoth | christ is uml slow |
| 19:14.21 | kergoth | colinux in windows smokes it |
| 19:14.24 | kergoth | how sad is that |
| 19:14.44 | scanlime | numist: my TUSB library won't give you any special hand-holding for HID.. I think there are EZ-USB tools that will |
| 19:15.04 | scanlime | either way, it's simple |
| 19:15.09 | scanlime | you write a descriptor, the hard part is done |
| 19:15.19 | scanlime | the rest is just delivering packets over an interrupt IN endpoint |
| 19:15.29 | scanlime | you can probably even use the same packet format the serial mouse delivers |
| 19:15.33 | kergoth | ehm |
| 19:16.09 | scanlime | so your job is basically just sync'ing to the serial mouse packets, then turning those into EP1 IN transfers or something |
| 19:16.17 | scanlime | purple_cow: it's all your fault :P |
| 19:16.26 | hardwire | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com:9673/internal/tdxcorp/tdxcss/ |
| 19:16.27 | hardwire | ugh |
| 19:16.28 | kergoth | and now my uml process zombied holding a file lock on the rootfs |
| 19:16.28 | hardwire | finally |
| 19:16.29 | scanlime | well, and I guess USB is kind of my job now |
| 19:16.32 | kergoth | /cry |
| 19:16.34 | hardwire | the !important CSS attribute mystifies me |
| 19:17.22 | purple_cow | scanlime: i know :) |
| 19:17.59 | scanlime | purple_cow: it's really odd to think that in some way at lest, the old duck hunt project is the reason I'm in palo alto, far away from my friends :P |
| 19:18.04 | scanlime | s/lest/least/ |
| 19:18.45 | purple_cow | hah |
| 19:20.26 | numist | :/ |
| 19:20.34 | numist | being uninitiated in this sort of thing... :/ |
| 19:21.49 | scanlime | numist: it's easier than making a PCI mouse ;) |
| 19:22.26 | numist | funny.. havent ever made a mouse |
| 19:22.32 | numist | plus this means Ill need an eeprom programmer |
| 19:22.35 | scanlime | no |
| 19:22.41 | numist | no? |
| 19:22.48 | scanlime | the TUSB and EZ-USB both have bootloaders |
| 19:22.50 | scanlime | you can program them over USB |
| 19:23.02 | numist | very nice |
| 19:23.11 | scanlime | the EZ-USB always accepts programming commands, since its bootloader is actually implemented in silicon |
| 19:23.26 | scanlime | the TUSB has a bootloader in ROM that you can activate by shorting out the EEPROM during boot |
| 19:24.36 | numist | hmm |
| 19:24.44 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r235 10prototype/ (13 files in 3 dirs): create a "menu" namespace and put everything in it |
| 19:25.06 | numist | is there a reference I can refer to for what I'm about to get myself into? |
| 19:25.19 | scanlime | which part? |
| 19:25.33 | numist | lets see.. the parts Im not familiar with |
| 19:25.35 | numist | all of it |
| 19:25.37 | scanlime | there are some sourceforge projects with stuffs about the EZ-USB chip... |
| 19:25.48 | scanlime | I know there are some good web resources on USB itself |
| 19:25.49 | numist | from getting into programming mode to the code itself |
| 19:25.52 | scanlime | and you can just read the spec :) |
| 19:25.57 | numist | Ive got the spec here |
| 19:26.09 | scanlime | well, also read the data sheet for the microcontroller you're using |
| 19:26.18 | scanlime | that will tell you the details of how its bootloader works |
| 19:26.21 | numist | looks like Ill be using the TUSB |
| 19:26.32 | scanlime | ok.. the TUSB has pretty much zero documentation :) |
| 19:26.37 | scanlime | which is why I had to write my own library for it |
| 19:26.38 | numist | %*(&#@$ |
| 19:26.49 | scanlime | but I can help you since I've been there before |
| 19:26.52 | numist | what keyspan models use EZUSB then? |
| 19:27.00 | scanlime | there's a "tusb" project in navi-misc that has the library and bootloader |
| 19:27.05 | numist | well that works, if you've got the time.. but Im staring from ground 0 here |
| 19:27.08 | numist | hrm.. ok |
| 19:27.16 | numist | I have navi-misc here |
| 19:27.21 | scanlime | I think most of them do.. but there's a web page somewhere that lists all the models and which micro they use |
| 19:27.39 | scanlime | tusb hasn't changed in months :P |
| 19:27.47 | numist | I havent updated in just that long :) |
| 19:27.54 | numist | eek failure |
| 19:28.11 | scanlime | well, if you want a quick dive in you can read the source to the examples that come with my tusb library |
| 19:28.41 | scanlime | one benefit (at least for debugging's sake) of my tusb library is that it isn't interrupt driven |
| 19:28.48 | purple_cow | well, you'll want an up-to-date navi-misc for loopy anyhow |
| 19:28.52 | scanlime | yes :) |
| 19:28.53 | numist | :) |
| 19:29.13 | scanlime | 'cuz really, who doesn't want to use terapixels of fill-rate in order to watch blurry movies |
| 19:29.22 | numist | has the repos moved? |
| 19:29.28 | scanlime | svn.navi.cx/misc |
| 19:29.31 | numist | I have http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk |
| 19:29.34 | numist | ah bah |
| 19:29.46 | scanlime | well, svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk :) |
| 19:30.50 | scanlime | yow.. this bluetooth driver is sending out 54 simultaneous EP1 IN transactions |
| 19:31.14 | numist | you're doing bluetooth, eh? |
| 19:31.30 | scanlime | numist: debugging a bluetooth USB dongle |
| 19:31.32 | numist | aww |
| 19:31.44 | scanlime | though it's a good excuse to learn more about bluetooth |
| 19:31.46 | numist | making this touchpad into a bluetooth device would be much cooler |
| 19:31.59 | numist | esp since in the car, cords are bad |
| 19:32.00 | scanlime | this project at work combined with my imminent ownership of a bluetooth phone has me kinda excited about the stuff |
| 19:32.09 | numist | excellent |
| 19:32.19 | file | nothing good can come of this |
| 19:32.20 | scanlime | I want a device to turn regular POTS phones into bluetooth hands-free devices |
| 19:32.34 | scanlime | so when my cell phone is in my apartment, it can make my old Snoopy phone ring :) |
| 19:32.41 | numist | haha |
| 19:32.50 | numist | well done |
| 19:32.55 | Cae | http://www.youngs.co.uk/ProductPage.aspx?pageID=11&&productID=6 <-- this is yummy |
| 19:33.24 | scanlime | snoopy probably needs a pretty hefty power supply.. it has mechanical ringers, and the old style handsets with screw-off microphone and earpiece |
| 19:33.49 | numist | woof |
| 19:36.04 | scanlime | numist: check out hello.c from tusb/examples/tusb3410 |
| 19:36.10 | scanlime | it's really bare-bones USB device |
| 19:36.23 | numist | excellent |
| 19:36.27 | numist | Ill look when its all checked out :o |
| 19:36.29 | scanlime | it accepts DMA transfers from EP1 OUT and printf()'s them to the serial port |
| 19:36.36 | purple_cow | Cae: it's ok |
| 19:36.42 | scanlime | and it accepts a couple vendor-specific control requests |
| 19:37.01 | Cae | purple_cow: what do you mean okay? |
| 19:38.22 | Cae | it actually has a body. unlike most beers. |
| 19:40.00 | *** join/#tacobeam evan__ (n=evan@tcom163-27-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 19:41.18 | purple_cow | well, "most" is probably right, but that doesn't mean you have to drink "most" beers :P |
| 19:42.23 | Cae | bah. |
| 19:43.10 | purple_cow | compared to a lot of ones i've had, youngs is ok. it's not great, but it's not bad |
| 19:43.20 | Cae | what would you define as great? |
| 19:44.12 | numist | wow, you can control the LED from in here |
| 19:44.13 | purple_cow | black butte, couple of the ones at mountain sun, ... |
| 19:47.21 | numist | scanlime: thats not a lot of code... |
| 19:47.38 | purple_cow | well, you know what they say. another day, another sausage |
| 19:47.41 | Cae | time for class :) |
| 19:48.20 | scanlime | numist: take a look at hello_descript.c |
| 19:48.30 | scanlime | are you familiar with how USB enumeration works? |
| 19:48.42 | numist | noo |
| 19:48.54 | scanlime | ok.. so when you plug in a USB device, a few things happen |
| 19:49.07 | scanlime | the USB device powers up, and initially listends on address 0 |
| 19:49.30 | scanlime | the host controller or hub (whatever owns the port you plugged it into) notifies your OS that a new device was connected |
| 19:49.43 | scanlime | the OS then sends a SET_ADDRESS command to address 0 with a newly allocated address |
| 19:49.52 | scanlime | now the device is in the "addressed" state |
| 19:50.08 | scanlime | the next thing the OS does is retrieve all the 'descriptors' that the device uses to identify itself |
| 19:50.32 | numist | thats what those structs are for that I'm seeing |
| 19:50.32 | scanlime | typically a device will have 'device', 'configuration', 'interface', and 'endpoint' descriptors.. but most device classes (like hubs or HID) have additional descriptors |
| 19:50.42 | scanlime | yes, those structs are the descriptors for the 'hello' device |
| 19:50.52 | numist | ok |
| 19:51.15 | scanlime | descriptors have a lot of information: the device's vendor and product ID, its power consumption, a list of all the endpoints it communicates with, and the device's name |
| 19:51.30 | scanlime | you'll want to read chapter 9 of the USB spec for details on all those descriptors |
| 19:51.33 | scanlime | it's really the best source |
| 19:51.33 | numist | ok |
| 19:52.17 | numist | /* The End */ clever |
| 19:52.19 | scanlime | but anyway, all these standard commands that every USB device has to support for reading descriptors and setting addresses and such happen on the control pipe- endpoint zero |
| 19:52.39 | scanlime | the tusb library has built-in handlers for all the standard EP0 commands, but you can add your own |
| 19:52.50 | scanlime | that's why you just need to give tusb a pointer to a descriptor table, and it handles enumeration |
| 19:52.55 | numist | excellent |
| 19:53.08 | scanlime | adding HID is mostly just a matter of adding another few structs to that |
| 19:53.23 | numist | thats the const static struct you have in the descriptors file then |
| 19:53.26 | numist | ok |
| 19:53.31 | scanlime | yes |
| 19:53.45 | scanlime | there are several descriptors, so that last struct is actually a table the tusb lib uses to look up descriptors |
| 19:54.03 | numist | ah hah |
| 19:54.16 | kergoth | mmmmm |
| 19:54.19 | kergoth | yay ion |
| 19:54.24 | kergoth | soooo fast and efficient |
| 19:54.26 | kergoth | havent used it in too long |
| 19:54.37 | scanlime | oh god.. |
| 19:54.40 | scanlime | this spec is 1230 pages |
| 19:54.45 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r236 10prototype/src/ (Context.java StateController.java menu/ menu/Menu.java): add a Context interface which just has a processEvent function, implement it in menu and make the StateController keep a stack of contexts rather than a stack of Menus |
| 19:54.48 | scanlime | USB is only a few hundred |
| 19:54.51 | numist | hehe |
| 19:55.10 | scanlime | purple_cow: me neither |
| 19:55.11 | kergoth | hmm, i need to change ion's keybindings. cant use the alt- bindings in irssi |
| 19:55.35 | ChipX86 | she's gone :( |
| 19:55.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:55.46 | ChipX86 | Jamie's heading back home |
| 19:55.48 | kergoth | aw |
| 19:55.51 | numist | aww |
| 19:55.51 | kergoth | :( |
| 19:55.55 | ChipX86 | it was a good week together... |
| 19:56.02 | ChipX86 | and we have a bar now! But it's in Boston |
| 19:56.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:57.08 | ChipX86 | neither of us have ever been to a bar before. We ended up going a couple of times to one in Boston, so we call that our bar now, except it's just really far away |
| 19:57.18 | kergoth | ahhh, hehe |
| 19:57.46 | ChipX86 | *sigh* I'll be going to bed, waking up, showering, and spending the day alone now |
| 19:57.58 | kergoth | hate that |
| 19:58.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 19:58.30 | kergoth | ~$ ps -ef|grep ./linux|wc -l |
| 19:58.30 | kergoth | 1023 |
| 19:58.31 | kergoth | ! |
| 19:58.57 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 20:00.12 | purple_cow | err, qwest |
| 20:02.33 | ChipX86 | oh crap |
| 20:02.42 | ChipX86 | Jocelyn wants the performance reviews by Friday |
| 20:02.47 | ChipX86 | guess I know what I'm doing |
| 20:03.04 | file | purple_cow: what did they screw up now? |
| 20:03.17 | purple_cow | same thing |
| 20:03.33 | ChipX86 | oh crap! |
| 20:03.43 | ChipX86 | she wanted peer reviews by last Monday |
| 20:03.47 | numist | oops |
| 20:03.48 | ChipX86 | crap crap argh |
| 20:03.58 | ChipX86 | today is going to suck |
| 20:06.06 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/objFile.h src/objFile.cpp): make the objects use a simple display list |
| 20:06.06 | scanlime | this is crazy |
| 20:06.19 | scanlime | the bluetooth people use acronyms all over the place, *except* for opcode names |
| 20:06.23 | scanlime | the opcodes are huge |
| 20:06.38 | kergoth | i have 23 processes running inside teh colinux. |
| 20:06.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/openGL.h src/textures.cpp): move the invalid ID to the gl header so anyone can use it |
| 20:06.49 | scanlime | "Change Connection Link Key Complete" |
| 20:06.50 | kergoth | i have 1021 processes running for the uml to run that |
| 20:07.37 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/menus.cpp): make some random little tanks drive around behind the menu |
| 20:10.42 | numist | hrm.. Im going to need to capture serial output from this mouse so I can figure out its protocol |
| 20:11.42 | scanlime | heh |
| 20:11.52 | scanlime | the serial mouse protocol is already pretty well documented |
| 20:12.03 | numist | scanlime: how easy would it be to download the existing firmware from the dongle so I dont wind up with a cable that doesnt do anything |
| 20:12.18 | numist | I suppose it would follow that protocol wouldnt it |
| 20:12.22 | kergoth | errrm |
| 20:12.27 | numist | Im too used to expecting proprietary craps |
| 20:12.37 | kergoth | every -thread- inside of the uml appears to be a process in the real machine |
| 20:12.38 | kergoth | blech |
| 20:12.51 | scanlime | kergoth: what else were you expecting? |
| 20:13.00 | kergoth | sanity? |
| 20:13.13 | numist | hah! |
| 20:13.15 | scanlime | threads are implemented as processes... that's the linux way |
| 20:13.22 | scanlime | how else would you expect it to work? |
| 20:14.23 | kergoth | i'd expect threads to share the page tables rather than having seperate copies. |
| 20:14.28 | purple_cow | hehe, this guy is aghast |
| 20:15.06 | purple_cow | apparently there are notes all over my account about dsl-only and credits, but nothing on the bill |
| 20:15.15 | Veight | hello |
| 20:19.43 | ChipX86 | I can't find the e-mail with the link to the stupid evaluation page |
| 20:19.43 | purple_cow | http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Columns/The_Fabricator/2005/10/13/_em_Fit_Like_Dick_em_Postponed/index.shtml |
| 20:19.55 | kergoth | ChipX86: do you run WOW in windows or linux? |
| 20:20.01 | ChipX86 | Windows |
| 20:20.02 | kergoth | ChipX86: i mean, vmware or wine, or native |
| 20:20.04 | ChipX86 | on my WoW box |
| 20:20.06 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:20.08 | ChipX86 | WoW/Media |
| 20:20.22 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 20:20.23 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:20.23 | ChipX86 | btw, I couldn't resist... got another 2005fpw coming |
| 20:20.39 | kergoth | thinking about making my shuttle dual boot. i miss having linux as my workstation |
| 20:20.45 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:21.04 | ChipX86 | after taxes and shipping and all, it was about $420, which isn't too bad given the crappy CRT I'm using for the main box |
| 20:21.13 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:21.26 | kergoth | i'd love a second 2005fpw, but then i'd need another video card, or one with dual dvi |
| 20:21.41 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:22.00 | hardwire | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com:9673/internal/tdxcorp/tdxcss/copy_of_folder.2005-10-13.4781132338/ |
| 20:22.01 | hardwire | finally. |
| 20:22.09 | hardwire | all but the footer converted over |
| 20:27.09 | scanlime | grrr |
| 20:27.11 | scanlime | mail's down... |
| 20:27.17 | ChipX86 | it is? |
| 20:27.20 | scanlime | very |
| 20:27.25 | ChipX86 | the mail servers have been so flaky for me lately |
| 20:27.29 | scanlime | outlook won't even start |
| 20:27.36 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 20:28.16 | scanlime | good luck |
| 20:28.29 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 20:28.35 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dkuester * r1751 10mck/PyMCK/Ground/ (GUI/SystemTab.py System/Dependencies.py): unbreak stuff |
| 20:28.37 | ChipX86 | oh yeah |
| 20:28.38 | scanlime | apparently they've been happy with me so far :) |
| 20:28.40 | ChipX86 | because it's fun. |
| 20:28.41 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:28.45 | ChipX86 | I imagine they are |
| 20:28.53 | kergoth | hmm.. almost forgot about my haircut appointment in 45 mins |
| 20:28.58 | kergoth | need to go to it, then come back to work |
| 20:28.59 | kergoth | i hate htat |
| 20:29.02 | ChipX86 | I know they're happy with me too, so that part doesn't worry me. I just hate these things |
| 20:29.59 | numist | so scanlime -- do I just convert incoming packets to the USB spec and then print them back out over the usb bus? |
| 20:30.05 | numist | in the code ^^ |
| 20:30.28 | scanlime | if by 'print' you mean 'DMA transfer' then yes :) |
| 20:30.52 | scanlime | the biggest issue in talking to a serial mouse is recovering packet framing |
| 20:31.02 | scanlime | you get a series of bytes as input, but you need to combine those back into packets |
| 20:31.04 | numist | I still have to translate it though, right? |
| 20:31.07 | scanlime | IIRC there's a sync bit you have to watch for |
| 20:31.12 | numist | yes, I have that |
| 20:31.13 | numist | sec |
| 20:31.22 | scanlime | well, not necessarily.. you should be able to write a HID descriptor that matches the serial mouse format |
| 20:31.23 | numist | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.23 | numist | 1. X 1 LB RB Y7 Y6 X7 X6 |
| 20:31.23 | numist | 2. X 0 X5 X4 X3 X2 X1 X0 |
| 20:31.24 | numist | 3. X 0 Y5 Y4 Y3 Y2 Y1 Y0 |
| 20:31.32 | numist | sync bit is D6 first byte is 1, others are 0 |
| 20:31.50 | scanlime | you might need to re-swizzle around the X and Y coordinates.. I forget whether HID can deal with garbage like that |
| 20:31.57 | scanlime | ok |
| 20:32.04 | numist | its easily swizzleable |
| 20:32.07 | scanlime | yes |
| 20:32.11 | numist | providing thats the right spec, of course |
| 20:32.18 | scanlime | that looks right |
| 20:33.09 | numist | ok, so that just gets packaged into a pretty dma transfer and fired off 40 times a second? |
| 20:33.19 | numist | (spec for the mouse is 40 polls per second) |
| 20:33.59 | scanlime | well, think about the buffering problem you have here |
| 20:34.08 | scanlime | you're receiving data from the mouse at one rate, determined by its clock |
| 20:34.13 | numist | mm hmm |
| 20:34.32 | scanlime | the USB host is polling you at another rate, influenced by (but not necessarily exactly equal to) the poll rate in your descriptor |
| 20:34.43 | scanlime | you never push data to the USB host, you just make it available for the host to pull |
| 20:35.04 | scanlime | so you'll just want to wait for data from the mouse and stick it in a DMA buffer when it arrives. If the buffer is full, you drop a packet |
| 20:35.11 | numist | I assume its safe to assume that the USB polling rate is faster than the serial polling rate |
| 20:35.24 | scanlime | then you want your descriptor to specify a polling rate high enough that you shouldn't drop packets.. maybe twice the mouse's expected packet rate |
| 20:35.34 | numist | ok |
| 20:35.46 | numist | should the device keep a backlog in case its not polled often enough? |
| 20:35.46 | scanlime | USB times everything with one-millisecond 'frames' |
| 20:35.53 | file | hardwire: poke |
| 20:36.17 | scanlime | numist: up to you.. it 'should', but dropped packets should be very rare |
| 20:36.25 | numist | right |
| 20:36.37 | scanlime | the ideal behaviour is that it keeps a backlog of button status, but combines relative motion packets into one |
| 20:36.39 | numist | luckily this is programmable.. the first version doesnt have to :P |
| 20:36.45 | scanlime | nod |
| 20:36.47 | numist | hmm yes |
| 20:36.50 | numist | good idea |
| 20:37.10 | numist | plus, for every time it is polled and doesnt have motion data, it should at least save button status so you dont accidentaly click a few thousand times |
| 20:37.47 | scanlime | well, you don't actually actively respond to the host's polls in software |
| 20:37.53 | scanlime | that's done in hardware by the microcontroller's SIE |
| 20:37.53 | numist | oh |
| 20:37.59 | numist | so its ok to drop the polls you dont have answers for |
| 20:38.04 | numist | in code |
| 20:38.08 | scanlime | you don't actually 'drop' polls |
| 20:38.12 | scanlime | let me explain how this works |
| 20:38.28 | scanlime | every N frames, the host will schedule an interrupt IN transfer to your device |
| 20:38.37 | scanlime | it sends your device a token that asks it whether data is available |
| 20:38.42 | numist | ah |
| 20:38.49 | scanlime | it can send data back and ACK that token, or it can send a NAK to indicate that no data is available |
| 20:38.58 | numist | excellent |
| 20:39.09 | scanlime | the TUSB's SIE core will NAK if you haven't made a DMA buffer available, or ACK and send the buffer back if you have |
| 20:39.21 | scanlime | so all you're doing in firmware is providing that buffer when you have the opportunity to |
| 20:39.22 | numist | so thats all done for you by the controller |
| 20:39.25 | numist | excellent |
| 20:39.28 | hardwire | file: prod |
| 20:39.39 | numist | so you're just listening to the serial interface and making packets as they come in and sending them out |
| 20:39.50 | file | hardwire: SIP + RTP + jitterbuffer = beautiful audio quality |
| 20:39.59 | scanlime | numist: right |
| 20:40.02 | ChipX86 | man, i's like being back in school |
| 20:40.16 | scanlime | ChipX86: ? |
| 20:40.24 | hardwire | file: IAX + RTP + jitterbuffer == nice too |
| 20:40.25 | ChipX86 | I haven't written a structured document in a while |
| 20:40.30 | scanlime | hehe |
| 20:40.41 | numist | so check if the dma buffer has a packet in it already, if not post one, if so, combine it into a some structure for the purpose |
| 20:40.53 | scanlime | check |
| 20:41.01 | purple_cow | so apparently all it takes is a few wasabi images to impress bruce :) |
| 20:41.07 | numist | you're right, this is easier than it seems at first glance |
| 20:41.08 | scanlime | purple_cow: he's like that |
| 20:41.16 | numist | :) |
| 20:41.46 | scanlime | numist: you can even use multiple DMA buffers.. prepare the next packet elsewhere in RAM, then point the SIE at it when it's ready. You get a pretty big chunk of DMA'able RAM IIRC.. 512 bytes or so |
| 20:42.01 | scanlime | numist: you just have to statically allocate it since there's only a specific range of memory that the DMA controller can access |
| 20:42.02 | numist | wow |
| 20:42.18 | scanlime | there's also a double-buffering mode |
| 20:42.22 | numist | I was just going to allocate a struct for backlogged data, and initialize it every time I posted to dma |
| 20:42.30 | scanlime | so when it finishes transferring buffer 0 it automatically poings over to buffer 1 |
| 20:42.34 | numist | ooh |
| 20:42.36 | numist | I like that |
| 20:42.52 | scanlime | I haven't implemented double-buffered DMA in the tusb lib yet... but it shouldn't be hard to do if you want it |
| 20:42.54 | numist | double buffering is hot |
| 20:43.11 | scanlime | you probably don't need the extra complexity of double-buffered DMA for something as low-bandwidth as a mouse |
| 20:43.20 | scanlime | it's designed for really fast serial ports |
| 20:43.20 | numist | still would be fun to implement |
| 20:43.24 | scanlime | yeah |
| 20:43.25 | numist | right |
| 20:43.36 | purple_cow | woo |
| 20:43.42 | numist | I plan on getting an RS232 GPS unit too.. maybe it would be worth it to hack a USB controller for that too |
| 20:43.46 | purple_cow | my balance is -$23.something |
| 20:43.57 | numist | just getting an rs232 so I can hook it up to other things |
| 20:44.05 | scanlime | it's designed to eliminate buffer copies.. basically you always read the mouse data into DMA'able memory, then just point the SIE at it when it's ready. With the mouse though, you're already copying the data in order to change its format |
| 20:44.15 | purple_cow | take that, qwest! |
| 20:44.27 | numist | right |
| 20:46.50 | numist | so.. read in data from serial, for each packet write it to an open buffer or save it in an aggregator, and post |
| 20:47.16 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:47.29 | hardwire | I was intending to do a black light photo essay of my urine when I drank all that Baryium |
| 20:47.37 | hardwire | too bad |
| 20:47.45 | numist | excellent |
| 20:47.49 | scanlime | numist: pretty much it, huh |
| 20:47.51 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r237 10prototype/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): make an "application" namespace |
| 20:47.54 | numist | thats not that bad at all |
| 20:47.56 | numist | I have to do this now |
| 20:47.59 | scanlime | :) |
| 20:48.07 | scanlime | it should be a great first USB project |
| 20:48.11 | numist | yeah |
| 20:48.20 | numist | I need a digicam for these sorts of things |
| 20:48.37 | numist | oh I fried an LM317T last night with a coldheat soldering iron |
| 20:48.47 | scanlime | haha, great |
| 20:48.47 | numist | theyre nifty, but you got to be really careful with devices that dont like current |
| 20:48.57 | numist | at least the laser unit survived |
| 20:49.05 | numist | the only thing that died was the regulator |
| 21:00.10 | ChipX86 | I wonder if I'm writing too much :) |
| 21:00.24 | ChipX86 | wayyy too many huge projects I'm proud of to pick from |
| 21:01.13 | numist | :) |
| 21:04.50 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r238 10prototype/src/application/ (Application.java ApplicationManager.java): add a generic Application class |
| 21:07.32 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 21:07.35 | ChipX86 | vim is doing weird things |
| 21:07.43 | ChipX86 | if I'm in a comment and hit i or * or something, it does a newline |
| 21:08.09 | ChipX86 | it started freaking out like htis yesterday too. Wonder if somehow it's my IPEntry widget, which seems impossible |
| 21:08.22 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 21:08.31 | ChipX86 | set tw=3 :) woops |
| 21:08.35 | numist | sounds like ID10T? |
| 21:08.41 | numist | ah |
| 21:08.49 | ChipX86 | meant sw |
| 21:08.54 | numist | same thing, really |
| 21:08.56 | ChipX86 | text width of 3, bad |
| 21:09.04 | numist | right next to each other on the keyboard, I mean really |
| 21:09.12 | purple_cow | ChipX86: hehe |
| 21:27.04 | ChipX86 | e-mail's dead for me now |
| 21:27.13 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/menus.cpp: little tilt to the mini tanks to make em look more 3dish |
| 21:27.45 | scanlime | ChipX86: the exchange server is completely down :P |
| 21:27.47 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:27.51 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 21:32.39 | purple_cow | hah, neat |
| 21:32.40 | purple_cow | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/language/foreach.html |
| 21:33.50 | purple_cow | yay for java 1.5 not sucking |
| 21:33.53 | darth_mall | I thought I saw something like that in lg3d somewhere |
| 21:33.59 | darth_mall | meant to investigate it |
| 21:35.15 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r239 10prototype/src/application/ (. ApplicationManager.java MPlayer.java): progress on defining how Applications work |
| 21:36.25 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r240 10prototype/src/menu/Loader.java: use the cool foreach construct rather than the crappy iterator |
| 21:39.26 | numist | hrm |
| 21:39.59 | numist | scanlime: one thing I may have overlooked... the input lines on the controller... do I just read from the serial interface as if it is stdin? |
| 21:40.41 | numist | in the firmware code I mean |
| 21:40.43 | scanlime | numist: I think so.. I forget whether I implemented input for stdio, you can check the uart driver |
| 21:40.55 | numist | alrighty, I'll peer through it tonight |
| 21:41.01 | numist | man I have to do this now |
| 21:41.04 | numist | its so possible |
| 21:41.05 | scanlime | you probably want to talk to the UART using nonblocking I/O though |
| 21:41.25 | numist | true... |
| 21:41.36 | scanlime | since you need to service USB requests too |
| 21:41.49 | scanlime | I'd suggest just sticking a little loop that empties the UART's buffers into an idler callback |
| 21:41.58 | numist | ... |
| 21:42.17 | scanlime | the USB driver lets you define a callback that's invoked when the USB driver is blocking on I/O |
| 21:42.21 | scanlime | it's a good place to put things like that |
| 21:42.28 | scanlime | or you can make the UART code interrupt-driven |
| 21:42.36 | scanlime | that'd be the best solution |
| 21:42.40 | numist | hrm |
| 21:42.49 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy|work (n=dkuester@dlc75-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 21:42.51 | numist | I havent worked with interrupts except for in services wirtten in VC++ |
| 21:42.59 | scanlime | heh |
| 21:43.02 | numist | so... a callback would be easiest I think |
| 21:43.03 | scanlime | interrupts, VC++? |
| 21:43.10 | numist | signals more than interrupts |
| 21:43.13 | scanlime | heh |
| 21:43.19 | scanlime | these are real interrupts :P |
| 21:43.27 | numist | aye |
| 21:43.31 | scanlime | anyway, I'd recommend a first cut at it without interrupts |
| 21:43.51 | scanlime | but don't be surprised if the UART buffer overflows when the PC asks you for descriptors |
| 21:44.18 | scanlime | normally that only happens when you first plug in the device, but it's legal to ask you for descriptors any time |
| 21:44.24 | scanlime | string descriptors in particular get requested a lot |
| 21:44.31 | numist | I wouldnt be posting at that point.. if the output buffer is full Id just combine inputs until a chance presents itself or a number overflows |
| 21:44.41 | numist | hrm |
| 21:44.45 | scanlime | no, the buffer I'm talking about is the UART's |
| 21:45.01 | scanlime | if you don't read serial data as fast as the mouse produces it, that buffer fills up |
| 21:45.09 | numist | oh the serial input buffer |
| 21:45.09 | scanlime | I think it's only a byte or two, but you'd have to check the data sheet |
| 21:45.13 | numist | hrm |
| 21:45.41 | numist | how long does it take to send a descriptor? the mouse only posts 3 bytes 40 times a second |
| 21:45.57 | purple_cow | hrmph |
| 21:46.02 | scanlime | heh. yeah, I'm probably overreacting... you'll probably do fine without interrupts |
| 21:46.03 | purple_cow | i can't have a static abstract function? :P |
| 21:46.06 | scanlime | but it'd be good practice :) |
| 21:46.16 | numist | I mean.. Id like to implement everything perfectly eventually |
| 21:46.23 | numist | but I am not that capable atm |
| 21:46.34 | scanlime | right, I'd definitely recomment starting without interrupts |
| 21:46.38 | scanlime | ISRs are a pain to debug |
| 21:46.45 | numist | 120 bytes a second, yeah, that wont be bad |
| 21:47.38 | numist | so.. just set a callback function to run when something is requested |
| 21:47.54 | numist | and that callback function is supposed to check what the request is and serve it back the expected data, I imagine? |
| 21:47.54 | scanlime | no, it's a callback function that's run pretty much as often as possible |
| 21:48.02 | numist | oh, every iteration or so |
| 21:48.07 | numist | ok |
| 21:48.18 | scanlime | you'll run it every main loop iteration, plus the USB core will run it if it has to block |
| 21:48.23 | ChipX86 | wonder if I'm making this too long |
| 21:48.25 | scanlime | basically the same frequency as the watchdog clear |
| 21:48.41 | numist | ok then |
| 21:48.54 | scanlime | you'll want to loop in there, processing bytes as long as the UART has them- so every time your callback is invoked, you flush the UART's buffer |
| 21:49.24 | numist | right, so I have to be worried about both buffers in reality |
| 21:49.33 | numist | make sure the output has a packet in it and make sure the input is kept clean |
| 21:49.44 | ChipX86 | thunderbird is all confused now |
| 21:50.41 | numist | aww |
| 21:51.11 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r241 10prototype/src/application/ (Application.java ApplicationManager.java MPlayer.java): more progress towards application framework |
| 21:52.07 | numist | what functions are available to me in programming it... is there a malloc/free? |
| 21:52.17 | scanlime | hahaha, malloc... |
| 21:52.22 | numist | not familiar with programming on something that doesnt hav a keyboard |
| 21:52.22 | scanlime | if you write your own, sure... |
| 21:52.25 | numist | I take that as a no then |
| 21:52.25 | numist | right |
| 21:52.33 | scanlime | well, take a look at sdcc's standard library |
| 21:53.23 | scanlime | this is bare metal- so typically the answer to "what functions are available" is "none". But SDCC has some handy stuff, like a miniature stdio clone. That's where printf() is coming from |
| 21:53.32 | numist | sweet |
| 21:53.46 | numist | ok, I was afraid of this, but I like this kind of a challenge |
| 21:53.51 | numist | makes you think about a solution more |
| 21:53.53 | scanlime | note that this stuff is not small though.. a call to printf will cause you to link in something like 3kB of extra code |
| 21:54.02 | numist | yikes |
| 21:54.29 | scanlime | it also has floating point math- which is pretty big and slow |
| 21:54.36 | numist | wont be needing that at all |
| 21:54.50 | scanlime | I think there's some document on sdcc's libraries.. if not you can just look through its headers |
| 21:54.51 | numist | only need adds, subs, and bitwise math here |
| 21:55.04 | scanlime | also, the 8051 is an insanely popular architecture. You can find lots of libraries online |
| 21:55.40 | numist | so, I assume I should handle incomplete commands being read and save fragments for reassembly on the next input buffer query |
| 21:55.43 | numist | correct? |
| 21:55.48 | numist | bare metal and all |
| 21:56.15 | scanlime | yeah. you'll need your own input buffer big enough to hold one mouse packet |
| 21:56.19 | numist | right |
| 21:56.23 | numist | which is smaller than an int |
| 21:56.26 | scanlime | your code for processing one UART byte would look something like this: |
| 21:56.30 | numist | gawd, maybe Ill use chars |
| 21:56.37 | scanlime | 1. If you see a sync bit, reset buffer pointer |
| 21:56.40 | scanlime | 2. Append to buffer |
| 21:56.47 | kergoth | man, i read that as append to butter |
| 21:56.49 | scanlime | 3. If buffer is full, convert to a HID packet and stick in a DMA buffer |
| 21:56.50 | kergoth | and got really confused |
| 21:56.56 | numist | kergoth: nice |
| 21:56.57 | scanlime | numist: this is an 8-bit CPU |
| 21:57.14 | purple_cow | EIGHT BIT POWER |
| 21:57.15 | scanlime | numist: ints in SDCC are 16-bit, but they're expensive to use if you don't need them |
| 21:57.16 | numist | scanlime: except I should really combine them into an intermediate variable first until the input buffer is emtpy |
| 21:57.25 | numist | I dont want ints, just bytes |
| 21:57.29 | numist | and bits |
| 21:57.29 | scanlime | uhhuh |
| 21:57.34 | numist | for this application anyway |
| 21:57.45 | scanlime | feel free to use arrays of bytes ;) |
| 21:57.53 | numist | I was thinking of it actually |
| 21:57.59 | numist | for the intermediate storage anyway |
| 21:58.42 | numist | hmm |
| 21:59.21 | scanlime | you might want to at least read the section of the sdcc manual on data types |
| 21:59.46 | numist | I will |
| 21:59.49 | scanlime | unsigned char is your friend.. 16-bit and 32-bit ints are supported, but aren't going to be fast. You also get a new 'bit' data type, and a few new storage qualifier keywords |
| 21:59.57 | scanlime | the 8051 actually has I think 3 separate address spaces |
| 22:00.02 | scanlime | so pointers are tricky |
| 22:00.27 | scanlime | sdcc by default uses 'universal' pointers that include both an address and a flag indicating which address space it's in |
| 22:00.37 | scanlime | but you can qualify those pointers to a particular space to make them faster |
| 22:01.17 | scanlime | there's internal RAM, external RAM (which is only 'external' from an architecture standpoint), code memory... |
| 22:01.27 | scanlime | and you can address part of your RAM as either bits or bytes |
| 22:01.31 | *** join/#tacobeam Sophie197 (n=a_little@user-0c6snjm.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:01.37 | kergoth | hey Sophie197 |
| 22:01.38 | numist | I see myself only needing an input buffer in the code, a storage unit (another 3 bytes), and a pointer to the input buffer in the code... |
| 22:01.39 | scanlime | that's why they added a 'bit' data type |
| 22:01.59 | numist | oh thats neat |
| 22:02.34 | scanlime | also, by default you can't use recursion, since by default variables aren't stored on the stack |
| 22:02.51 | scanlime | it actually statically allocates xdata RAM for your local variables :) |
| 22:02.58 | scanlime | you have to label functions as 'reentrant' for it to use the stack |
| 22:03.07 | numist | jeesh |
| 22:03.09 | scanlime | sdcc is a neat little compiler |
| 22:03.16 | ChipX86 | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/SetYourPriorities.html |
| 22:03.38 | purple_cow | sweet, my savings account earned $0.01 in interest this month |
| 22:03.41 | Sophie197 | hey |
| 22:03.46 | darth_mall | purple_cow: rock on! |
| 22:03.47 | scanlime | hehe |
| 22:04.12 | scanlime | purple_cow: I think I've earned a massive $30 in 'cash back awards' or whatever in the entire 6 years or so I've had this particular account |
| 22:04.34 | scanlime | and probably a couple dollars interest |
| 22:06.47 | purple_cow | well, i only have the absolute minimum balance in my savings account |
| 22:06.54 | purple_cow | all my money is in a money market account |
| 22:06.59 | purple_cow | 'cuz the interest is higher |
| 22:07.16 | numist | scanlime: so basically this: http://pastebin.com/391687 |
| 22:10.01 | Sophie197 | anyone want to see the HUGE SCARY bug that's on my house right now? |
| 22:10.06 | Sophie197 | I took a picture. |
| 22:10.13 | numist | is it the destroyer of worlds? |
| 22:10.43 | Sophie197 | http://home.earthlink.net/~ggazic/images/bug.JPG |
| 22:10.46 | Sophie197 | you tell me. |
| 22:11.15 | numist | that thing is the stuff of legend |
| 22:12.03 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r242 10prototype/src/application/ (Application.java MPlayer.java): big fugly list of regexs to use mplayer for |
| 22:12.07 | Sophie197 | no shit |
| 22:12.29 | Sophie197 | and Miles would have to be out of town |
| 22:12.46 | numist | hrm.. I can get a motorola 6800 cpu for $.10 but what would I do with it? |
| 22:12.47 | Sophie197 | so there's nobody here to protect me |
| 22:12.50 | numist | aww |
| 22:14.02 | Sophie197 | well, now I have to try to eat my sushi :( |
| 22:14.07 | Sophie197 | bbl |
| 22:14.18 | darth_mall | Sophie197: it's so cute |
| 22:15.10 | ChipX86 | Sophie197: awwww! |
| 22:15.12 | ChipX86 | I want one |
| 22:15.24 | ChipX86 | I could put it on a leash and walk around with it |
| 22:16.24 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r243 10prototype/src/application/MPlayer.java: use a few regexs per line to make it less long |
| 22:20.31 | darth_mall | ChipX86: you could... and should! |
| 22:23.48 | numist | hrm |
| 22:24.09 | darth_mall | huzzah! I think my UI homework is done |
| 22:24.20 | ChipX86 | scanlime: we're plotting to overthrough Exchange |
| 22:24.29 | ChipX86 | #email-plotting on irc01 |
| 22:25.12 | kergoth | Did you ever see a llama kiss a llama on the llama? |
| 22:25.16 | numist | wow vmware tools is written for gtk1 |
| 22:25.17 | numist | or something |
| 22:25.21 | numist | it looks so spartan |
| 22:25.42 | numist | lots of assertion failures closing the toolbox too |
| 22:26.49 | scanlime | ChipX86: oh my |
| 22:27.09 | ChipX86 | numist: they're going to make that better after WS5.5 |
| 22:27.25 | numist | just checking :) |
| 22:27.47 | ChipX86 | tray icon and all, I think |
| 22:27.55 | numist | really? |
| 22:27.58 | numist | very nice |
| 22:28.22 | ChipX86 | we're painfully aware of all the cruft. We just don't necessarily have time to fix it yet :) |
| 22:29.12 | numist | what else is in the queue? |
| 22:29.21 | numist | multiple disks works brilliantly, btw |
| 22:29.27 | numist | fr varying definitiions of disl |
| 22:29.29 | numist | disk8 |
| 22:30.27 | numist | oye |
| 22:33.03 | numist | funny, in sdcc theres no real difference that I can see between a short and an int |
| 22:33.11 | numist | longs must be horrible on that architecture |
| 22:34.18 | scanlime | numist: there is no difference between short and int |
| 22:34.32 | scanlime | numist: just like on most 32-bit architectures there's no difference between int and long |
| 22:35.50 | kergoth | ~llamasongpart1 |
| 22:35.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:36.04 | numist | right |
| 22:36.06 | kergoth | all the ibot/purl/jbot/etc are ignoring me now |
| 22:36.16 | numist | and the documentation on sdcc's site for their functions are awful |
| 22:36.22 | numist | for the library routines |
| 22:36.35 | numist | one thing thats nice to know is that there is a printf_small() |
| 22:36.45 | numist | to save memory |
| 22:40.14 | scanlime | guh |
| 22:40.20 | scanlime | the bluetooth spec makes USB look like SPI |
| 22:40.33 | numist | well theres a lot to bluetooth |
| 22:40.39 | scanlime | too fucking much |
| 22:40.44 | numist | hehe |
| 22:40.51 | numist | wireless usb may be the way of the future |
| 22:40.53 | numist | :) |
| 22:40.59 | scanlime | wireless USB is *so* much simpler than bluetooth |
| 22:41.03 | ChipX86 | stupid network |
| 22:41.10 | scanlime | ChipX86: boing |
| 22:41.35 | ChipX86 | hmm, Job Knowledge |
| 22:43.14 | hardwire | scanlime: how much brain cancer will it give me? |
| 22:43.20 | hardwire | I can only afford so much as it is. |
| 22:43.39 | scanlime | hardwire: only about as much as a week of binge drinking, or 5 minutes on a cell phone |
| 22:43.59 | hardwire | is it multi frequency range? |
| 22:44.09 | file | ooh a Futurama reference |
| 22:44.09 | scanlime | it's UWB |
| 22:44.09 | hardwire | boy that sounded like a dumb fucking question. |
| 22:44.13 | hardwire | ULTRA WIDE BAND! |
| 22:44.26 | hardwire | so 32khz wide? |
| 22:44.29 | scanlime | har |
| 22:44.34 | scanlime | no |
| 22:44.39 | scanlime | I think it's a couple hundred MHz |
| 22:44.41 | hardwire | thats what UWB means in the sound world. |
| 22:44.44 | numist | whoo |
| 22:45.00 | scanlime | you can find some nice spectrum plots in the data sheet |
| 22:45.04 | hardwire | scanlime: do you have any such gadgetry? |
| 22:45.07 | scanlime | it's very low power but wide spectrum |
| 22:45.09 | scanlime | no |
| 22:45.17 | hardwire | well |
| 22:45.18 | hardwire | when you do |
| 22:45.21 | hardwire | take a picture |
| 22:45.24 | hardwire | :) |
| 22:46.07 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:46.11 | scanlime | they had some nice prototypes at IDF |
| 22:46.14 | ChipX86 | looks like I'm participating in a super secret project that will be super public that I'm pretty sure was my idea 10 months ago |
| 22:46.22 | numist | yay I have gschem in a vm |
| 22:46.32 | scanlime | gahhh |
| 22:46.41 | scanlime | bluetooth 'opcodes' are too fucking long |
| 22:46.43 | scanlime | CI_Write_Synchronous_Flow_Control_Enable |
| 22:46.45 | file | ChipX86: you're a super guy! |
| 22:46.46 | ChipX86 | I'm noticing that several of my ideas that I try to spread around end up being company policies or projects, but who knows if the people who say yes are even aware that I came up with them |
| 22:46.47 | scanlime | er, HCI |
| 22:46.52 | numist | whoa nice, scanlime |
| 22:46.52 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (i=Eric@69.158.158.184) |
| 22:46.58 | file | hi pagefault |
| 22:47.01 | pagefault | hey file |
| 22:47.02 | ChipX86 | scanlime: haha |
| 22:47.29 | scanlime | gggggrrrrrr |
| 22:47.33 | scanlime | HCI_Set_Controller_To_Host_Flow_Control |
| 22:47.38 | scanlime | there are hundreds of these |
| 22:47.55 | ChipX86 | x86 should work that way |
| 22:48.01 | scanlime | it does |
| 22:48.05 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:48.11 | ChipX86 | X86_INVOKE_INTERRUPT_WITH_NUMBER_GIVEN_AS_NEXT_PARAMETER_IN_HEX 21h |
| 22:48.38 | scanlime | X86_Please_Add_Two_Integers_Without_Carry_Using_Red_Colored_Pencil_And_No_Carry_Bit |
| 22:48.51 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:48.53 | purple_cow | owwww |
| 22:48.56 | purple_cow | http://www.adrants.com/images/cnn_earthquake.jpg |
| 22:48.57 | numist | :) |
| 22:48.58 | purple_cow | sucks to be swatch |
| 22:49.15 | numist | hahahaha |
| 22:49.16 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: woah, haha |
| 22:49.19 | ChipX86 | that's no good |
| 22:49.30 | numist | nice ad placement |
| 22:49.44 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:50.04 | scanlime | USB is so simple compared to this mess... |
| 22:51.04 | numist | :( |
| 22:51.25 | hardwire | scanlime: voip related.. there is a bluetooth location system that gets loaded on windows/linux devices that constantly scans and reports link quality. |
| 22:51.29 | hardwire | then reports that to asterisk.. |
| 22:51.47 | hardwire | making it very easy to call somebody no matter where they are in the cooperating office environment |
| 22:51.59 | hardwire | I wanted to officially coin this.. via RFID scanners in doorways. |
| 22:52.06 | hardwire | but it would cost too much to be usefull |
| 22:52.08 | scanlime | ... |
| 22:52.37 | purple_cow | YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RELATE EVERY SINGLE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION TO VOIP |
| 22:52.42 | scanlime | indeed |
| 22:52.54 | hardwire | :) |
| 22:52.59 | hardwire | when its what you do.. its what you talk about. |
| 22:53.03 | purple_cow | seriously |
| 22:53.08 | purple_cow | file is NOT A GOOD ROLE MODEL |
| 22:53.29 | hardwire | see.. and here I thought I was semi-on-topic :) |
| 22:53.31 | ChipX86 | relating VOIP to this conversation is like relating presence to a VM! |
| 22:54.08 | scanlime | OMG |
| 22:54.13 | scanlime | a bluetooth command that doesn't start with HCI_ |
| 22:54.18 | ChipX86 | you know, I'm finding that it's really hard to talk about this noodly thing without making it sound dirty |
| 22:55.00 | purple_cow | noodly appendage? |
| 22:55.28 | hardwire | so damn sensative :) |
| 22:55.31 | ChipX86 | it's a neat little VMware noodly |
| 22:55.50 | file | is it pretty? |
| 22:55.53 | ChipX86 | very |
| 22:55.56 | ChipX86 | it's so much fun |
| 22:56.03 | file | yay |
| 22:56.06 | scanlime | I think I know how bluetooth was designed.. |
| 22:56.14 | scanlime | first thing they did was settle on a 16-bit opcode field |
| 22:56.23 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/photos/vmware-noodly.jpg |
| 22:56.24 | scanlime | then they decided they'd be wasting space if they didn't use all possible opcode IDs |
| 22:58.43 | numist | hehe |
| 22:58.49 | numist | thats a good thought, scanlime |
| 22:59.41 | scanlime | I see no other explanation |
| 23:02.08 | pagefault | my dns server hates your url chippy |
| 23:02.18 | ChipX86 | pagefault: fix it |
| 23:02.25 | pagefault | yeah |
| 23:02.32 | pagefault | I know it's my problem :) |
| 23:02.51 | lurgy|work | purple_cow: what's goin on with wallace & gromit? any word? |
| 23:03.18 | pagefault | file, are you coming to town sometime soon? |
| 23:03.21 | pagefault | I thought you were coming in oct sometime |
| 23:03.34 | purple_cow | lurgy|work: i think dinner on friday at 6ish, then film after that |
| 23:04.03 | pagefault | argh |
| 23:04.05 | pagefault | I need alcohol |
| 23:04.06 | pagefault | for my cut |
| 23:04.13 | file | pagefault: we weren't able to work out a time and date for everyone |
| 23:04.19 | pagefault | file, aww |
| 23:04.31 | file | it sucks |
| 23:09.20 | hardwire | file: they are picking on is. |
| 23:09.22 | hardwire | us. |
| 23:09.41 | hardwire | and WHY?! because we are passionate! |
| 23:09.49 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:09.58 | lurgy|work | purple_cow: spiffy :) |
| 23:10.07 | pagefault | I need to be addicted to this voip craze |
| 23:11.03 | numist | nice |
| 23:11.13 | pagefault | whats a spud trooper |
| 23:11.17 | numist | Here is the information on the Big Fix that I thought you might be interested in reading. It would be awesome to be able to utilize your RV for this charity undertaking and if you could drive for any part of it.....we could fly you back to wherever you wanted to drive from or to. |
| 23:11.23 | numist | pagefault: kinda like darth tater |
| 23:11.24 | ChipX86 | the 4th person in a couple of weeks has come in asking why I haven't ordered it yet |
| 23:11.28 | ChipX86 | so I kinda need it I guess |
| 23:11.32 | ChipX86 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009PHJZU/ref=pd_sim_toys_1/103-1350687-2401402?v=glance&s=toys |
| 23:11.32 | pagefault | oh |
| 23:11.42 | pagefault | wow nice |
| 23:11.44 | pagefault | I need one for my desk |
| 23:11.52 | ChipX86 | my Darth Tater has kind of become a team mascott |
| 23:12.02 | pagefault | my tux is getting lonly |
| 23:12.05 | pagefault | he needs a friend |
| 23:12.10 | numist | ok, thats not how you spell mascot, and it highlights on my client when you mispell it like that :( |
| 23:12.24 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:12.24 | pagefault | what |
| 23:12.31 | numist | <-- scott |
| 23:12.33 | pagefault | it highlights other people's spelling mistakes? |
| 23:12.33 | pagefault | oh |
| 23:12.35 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:12.36 | numist | :P |
| 23:12.41 | ChipX86 | numist: woops |
| 23:12.41 | numist | I also get prescott a lot too |
| 23:12.43 | numist | :P |
| 23:12.45 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:12.50 | pagefault | butterscottch |
| 23:12.53 | pagefault | oh I guess that doesn't work |
| 23:13.02 | numist | it does highlight though |
| 23:13.03 | ChipX86 | mascott! |
| 23:13.13 | numist | wow, pretty colours |
| 23:13.20 | pagefault | mine only highlights my name |
| 23:13.37 | pagefault | hmm I can add the spud trooper to a wedding registry |
| 23:13.45 | ChipX86 | getting married? |
| 23:13.50 | pagefault | nope |
| 23:13.57 | pagefault | but that would make an interesting wedding present |
| 23:15.19 | numist | hehe |
| 23:15.38 | pagefault | hmm |
| 23:15.39 | pagefault | great |
| 23:15.45 | pagefault | now amazon thinks I am a starwars geek |
| 23:15.54 | numist | haha nice |
| 23:16.04 | numist | would you also like this lightsaber!? |
| 23:16.17 | numist | lifesabers! the candy that fries you from the inside! |
| 23:16.24 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:16.31 | pagefault | they should try to make a glow in the dark lifesaver |
| 23:16.33 | pagefault | that would be pretty cool |
| 23:16.40 | numist | totally |
| 23:17.28 | pagefault | ugh |
| 23:17.36 | pagefault | it's only 7 |
| 23:17.36 | pagefault | and I am already ready for bed |
| 23:17.45 | numist | I am ready too.. and its not even 5 |
| 23:17.57 | pagefault | I have an 8 AM class tomorrow |
| 23:18.01 | pagefault | but I really don't want to go |
| 23:18.02 | purple_cow | hah |
| 23:18.12 | ChipX86 | I'm still a bit jetlagged. My body thinks it's 7 and time to go home now |
| 23:18.13 | purple_cow | the soundtrack to "hero" is just a *little* ripped off from crouching tiger :P |
| 23:18.24 | darth_mall | yeah, that happens |
| 23:18.39 | darth_mall | Hero is another Jet Li film, isn't it? |
| 23:18.44 | purple_cow | yep |
| 23:18.48 | pagefault | yeah |
| 23:18.53 | pagefault | there is a new one too |
| 23:18.56 | pagefault | I forget the name of it though |
| 23:19.00 | pagefault | but they keep showing ads for it on tv here |
| 23:19.10 | purple_cow | so far it seems quite a bit better than most of his chinese films |
| 23:19.16 | darth_mall | pagefault: Unleashed? |
| 23:19.23 | pagefault | hmm |
| 23:19.25 | pagefault | yeah that sounds like it |
| 23:19.45 | purple_cow | this has a lot of the aesthetic of crouching tiger |
| 23:19.49 | purple_cow | unleashed was so good :) |
| 23:21.18 | ChipX86 | I want to write children's books |
| 23:21.40 | pagefault | you should |
| 23:21.48 | pagefault | chippy and the magic dragon |
| 23:21.52 | ChipX86 | there were some mildly screwed up ones I read as a kid |
| 23:21.54 | darth_mall | ChipX86: why? do you hate children? |
| 23:21.54 | ChipX86 | I could do those |
| 23:21.58 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: haha :) |
| 23:22.03 | ChipX86 | I just want them to turn out like me! |
| 23:22.09 | darth_mall | ChipX86: why? do you hate children? |
| 23:22.11 | darth_mall | ;) |
| 23:22.12 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:22.18 | ChipX86 | my first one will be able a tape worm |
| 23:22.20 | pagefault | there always seems to be an animal in my room |
| 23:22.23 | pagefault | I have two cats |
| 23:22.24 | ChipX86 | every one of these will have important lessons |
| 23:22.26 | darth_mall | the world would be a better place if more children turned out like ChipX86 |
| 23:22.26 | ChipX86 | like don't eat raw meat |
| 23:22.34 | pagefault | and there is always at least one in here |
| 23:22.42 | darth_mall | ChipX86: but raw meat is sometimes yum |
| 23:22.54 | darth_mall | unless you're one of those weird people that don't consider fish to be meat |
| 23:22.55 | ChipX86 | I'll illustrate it all too |
| 23:22.57 | scanlime | sashiiimiiiiiii |
| 23:23.03 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r141 10lib/clipclick/ (. SiteLabels.js clicktest.jpg imageclip.html imageclip2.html): some handy js courtesy of mark |
| 23:23.09 | ChipX86 | fish aren't meat. They're a vegetable, aren't they? |
| 23:23.20 | purple_cow | that's more of a meat than fish |
| 23:23.23 | darth_mall | it was not yum |
| 23:23.28 | darth_mall | purple_cow: why isn't fish meat? |
| 23:23.35 | purple_cow | whales are mammals |
| 23:23.39 | ChipX86 | but they live in the water |
| 23:23.43 | purple_cow | err, right |
| 23:23.46 | scanlime | cows live in the water too |
| 23:23.47 | ChipX86 | so they can't be meat |
| 23:23.50 | ChipX86 | er |
| 23:23.51 | darth_mall | but people consider snake meat |
| 23:23.56 | darth_mall | snakes aren't mammals either |
| 23:24.03 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:24.04 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: yeah but snakes don't have legs |
| 23:24.08 | purple_cow | fish *is* meat, but it's less meaty than beef... |
| 23:24.08 | pagefault | I have eaten zebra |
| 23:24.10 | pagefault | and crocodile |
| 23:24.13 | pagefault | they were pretty good |
| 23:24.49 | purple_cow | i rate things on a scale of meatiness |
| 23:24.55 | pagefault | I had emu too |
| 23:24.58 | pagefault | that was more like beef though |
| 23:25.01 | purple_cow | light, white fishies are at the low end of the scale, and buffalo is at the high end |
| 23:25.24 | pagefault | mmm buffalo |
| 23:25.27 | pagefault | best burger ever |
| 23:26.45 | pagefault | bison is coming back as a popular meat |
| 23:27.19 | purple_cow | yep |
| 23:27.28 | purple_cow | which is good, because it's so tasty |
| 23:27.58 | purple_cow | jesus |
| 23:28.09 | purple_cow | this soundtrack is identical to CT |
| 23:28.44 | purple_cow | except it's a violin instead of a 'cello, so it's crappier |
| 23:29.04 | scanlime | http://navi.cx/~micah/close-this-wizard.png |
| 23:29.19 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 23:29.32 | darth_mall | hah |
| 23:29.47 | scanlime | just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside |
| 23:30.12 | darth_mall | like you swallowed yourself? |
| 23:30.35 | scanlime | kinda |
| 23:33.38 | ChipX86 | scanlime: nice |
| 23:34.04 | darth_mall | is tired |
| 23:34.37 | darth_mall | and apparently it's affecting my typing |
| 23:34.38 | ChipX86 | what is Yom Kippur? |
| 23:35.40 | purple_cow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur |
| 23:36.11 | ChipX86 | ohhh |
| 23:36.56 | purple_cow | sigh |
| 23:37.10 | purple_cow | i really liked crouching tiger, but this movie is trying way too hard |
| 23:37.58 | purple_cow | at least it's better than most of his other chinese films :P |
| 23:39.23 | darth_mall | President Bush found by Prime Minister Cheney unshaven and unnaturally thin in a spider hole under a rug in the White House this morning. Republicans blame Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden, but Little Reno insists that lack of Chromosome 17 will do that shit to ya. |
| 23:48.53 | darth_mall | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jewish#Yum.2C_Kippers.21 |
| 23:50.31 | purple_cow | arg, db problems |
| 23:50.45 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 23:51.03 | scanlime | " self.dataDetail.set_markup( |
| 23:51.03 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.05 | darth_mall | I blame god |
| 23:51.08 | scanlime | grr |
| 23:51.18 | scanlime | "Silver Honda Civic parked outside 3145 Porter Drive, Building C has a flat |
| 23:51.19 | scanlime | tire. :-(" |
| 23:51.34 | scanlime | that panicked me for a minute... |
| 23:51.38 | scanlime | had to go out and make sure it wasn't me |
| 23:51.52 | numist | haha |
| 23:51.57 | numist | well done, scanlime |
| 23:52.04 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:57.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:57.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: split up menus |
| 23:57.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: move more menu code to common base class |
| 23:57.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add start of game list menu |
| 23:57.54 | purple_cow | hmm, that is ziyi zhang |
| 23:59.40 | darth_mall | for those of you who haven't seen it: http://stewped.com/road/index.php |
