| 00:00.11 | ChipX86 | I was just complaining a couple mins ago about how it was only 3:00 |
| 00:01.18 | scanlime | I'm still thinking I'll have very little motivation to hack anything using my laptop :P |
| 00:01.26 | scanlime | well, only my laptop.. |
| 00:01.39 | purple_cow | scanlime: you could work on the evfs stuff ;) |
| 00:01.47 | scanlime | yes, I could... |
| 00:02.06 | purple_cow | you could even bring mininavi with you! :) |
| 00:02.11 | scanlime | haha |
| 00:02.13 | scanlime | that's a great idea... |
| 00:02.17 | scanlime | :P |
| 00:02.29 | ChipX86 | it's at a pizza place |
| 00:02.46 | scanlime | well, mininavi is pretty small... ;) |
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| 00:11.52 | scanlime | oh wow |
| 00:12.08 | scanlime | "o *NOT* go for combination VLB/PCI motherboards. They usually have a lot of problems. Get a plain PCI version (with ISA slots as well of course)." |
| 00:12.13 | scanlime | this hasn't been updated in a while... |
| 00:12.16 | scanlime | s/o/do/ |
| 00:12.16 | kergoth | haha |
| 00:12.26 | kergoth | vesa local bus.. i remember that |
| 00:12.34 | scanlime | "Go for 72-pin only SIMMs for speed: Some (all?) of the mainboards which take 30 pin SIMMs use a 32 bit main memory interface, and will be significantly slower than the Intel based boards which all use a 64 bit or permantly interleaved memory interface. You might want to keep that in mind." |
| 00:12.54 | file[laptop] | ah the old times |
| 00:13.08 | ChipX86 | before the dark times. Before the empire! |
| 00:15.41 | scanlime | I wonder if vmware is part of the PCI SIG.. |
| 00:15.42 | purple_cow | ...empire? |
| 00:15.46 | scanlime | I hate these specs that you can't get publically |
| 00:16.08 | purple_cow | you can get them publically, they're just pricey |
| 00:16.26 | scanlime | heh, yeah |
| 00:16.34 | scanlime | we should all switch to OpenPCI! |
| 00:16.44 | scanlime | I'll ask Richard Stallman to rewrite my BIOS |
| 00:16.49 | purple_cow | is that anything like opengaim? |
| 00:16.55 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:17.18 | ChipX86 | opengaim, the first gaim client with the ability to turn of tooltips! Except we had it first, and they didnt have it for 3 versions |
| 00:17.25 | ChipX86 | Worst. Fork. Ever. |
| 00:17.50 | scanlime | yep. I'll fork PCI into OpenPCI, which will let you disable those MSN messenger popups |
| 00:17.53 | scanlime | at a hardware level |
| 00:17.58 | ChipX86 | awesome |
| 00:18.04 | ChipX86 | because pressing a checkbox is hard |
| 00:18.17 | scanlime | yes. I want hardware to press checkboxes for me |
| 00:18.47 | purple_cow | i loved that choice of name, too |
| 00:19.00 | purple_cow | because gaim isn't open at all |
| 00:19.11 | scanlime | FreeGaim would have been better |
| 00:19.18 | scanlime | you'd have confused gaim fans giving you money |
| 00:19.18 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 00:21.25 | scanlime | so are you going to this hacking society widget, and do you already have a ride? |
| 00:21.46 | numist | hee hee widget |
| 00:22.12 | ChipX86 | I'm going, and yeah, heading there with Paul |
| 00:22.32 | scanlime | k |
| 00:22.52 | scanlime | I think evfs hacking might be doable... |
| 00:23.17 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 00:23.37 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:23.58 | purple_cow | stupid sun and their stupid requirements |
| 00:24.03 | scanlime | purple_cow: I'm really hoping to turn my proof-of-concept mplayer hack into a slightly more robust way to hook soya3d (or another engine) into mplayer |
| 00:24.17 | purple_cow | i just *know* that noone is going to use any of the code we write for this |
| 00:24.18 | scanlime | the proof-of-concept is running quite well |
| 00:24.30 | scanlime | purple_cow: yeah, I had the same feeling about my project :P |
| 00:24.34 | scanlime | but look what happened! |
| 00:25.05 | purple_cow | well, it's just making me cranky, because for a while it looked like i'd get to work on a project that would be useful to someone |
| 00:25.06 | purple_cow | but oh well |
| 00:25.11 | scanlime | yup |
| 00:25.14 | scanlime | exactly the same for me |
| 00:25.28 | purple_cow | we'll put the rest of the looking glass apps to shame, and that'll be satisfying |
| 00:25.30 | scanlime | looked great until we found out that lockmart screwed us over bigtime |
| 00:25.49 | kergoth | er |
| 00:25.54 | kergoth | is there a postscript viewer for windows? |
| 00:25.57 | kergoth | guess i could do a ps2pdf in cygwin |
| 00:26.00 | scanlime | heh |
| 00:26.03 | purple_cow | ghostscript? |
| 00:26.06 | scanlime | ghostscript runs in windows, but it's kinda ugly |
| 00:28.04 | scanlime | heh |
| 00:28.19 | ChipX86 | meh, I ate a McDonalds hamburger earlier and still feel the effects of crappiness it brings |
| 00:28.24 | scanlime | there's stuff in here that I doubt you'd ever find out about if you don't either write BIOSes or build PCI devices... |
| 00:28.44 | scanlime | ooh, chippy's into macochism :P |
| 00:29.09 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:29.23 | ChipX86 | I almost never eat those. Once every several months |
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| 00:35.40 | scanlime | ugh |
| 00:35.57 | scanlime | what's with this trend where web sites harass you about providing feedback? |
| 00:36.14 | scanlime | msdn does it.. I know I've seen it at some small random sites.. and now intel? |
| 00:36.58 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:37.22 | pagefault | I gave them feedback that feedback is silly |
| 00:37.24 | scanlime | haha |
| 00:37.30 | scanlime | PIIX4.. ever wonder what that stands for? |
| 00:37.39 | scanlime | "PCI-TO-ISA/IDE Xcelerator" |
| 00:37.52 | purple_cow | seriously? |
| 00:37.56 | scanlime | at least when intel comes up with a stupid name they make sure to only publicise the acronym |
| 00:37.59 | scanlime | seriously. |
| 00:38.05 | scanlime | this is on their data sheet |
| 00:38.05 | purple_cow | awesome |
| 00:38.11 | pagefault | whats the 4 for? |
| 00:38.13 | pagefault | version 4? |
| 00:38.25 | scanlime | 440 chipset family, I assume |
| 00:46.00 | CIA-5 | covenant-misc: 03kergoth * r14 10rrdlua/rrdclass.lua: Whee, isn't inheritence grand? |
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| 00:48.04 | purple_cow | huh |
| 00:48.05 | purple_cow | http://www.slashfood.com/2005/09/20/sushi-by-dummies-wet-nap-included/ |
| 00:50.46 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/websvn/comp.php?repname=misc&path=&compare%5B%5D=%2Ftrunk%2Frrdlua@13&compare%5B%5D=%2Ftrunk%2Frrdlua@14 |
| 00:54.52 | pagefault | wow it's not WoW related |
| 00:54.54 | pagefault | I am surprised |
| 00:55.56 | kergoth | it is in the language that wow uses for its ui scripting, but its a general purpose RRD implementation in lua |
| 00:56.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:56.06 | pagefault | you have an addiction |
| 00:56.10 | pagefault | you need to admit it |
| 00:56.15 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 00:56.24 | kergoth | i spend more time coding than playing. i just like lua :) |
| 00:56.30 | scanlime | kergoth: is there an in-game lua IDE yet? :P |
| 00:56.36 | kergoth | scanlime: yes :P |
| 00:56.45 | scanlime | haha |
| 00:56.46 | kergoth | they arent very good though |
| 00:56.46 | pagefault | I think there are some WoW AAA type groups now |
| 00:56.57 | pagefault | not WoW, but MMORPGs in general |
| 00:57.10 | ChipX86 | I admit I have an addiction |
| 00:57.12 | pagefault | err not AAA |
| 00:57.14 | ChipX86 | but I'm able to keep mine under control |
| 00:57.28 | ChipX86 | kergoth: Pentax Opti-o-o-o-o-OH! OptiO! |
| 00:57.30 | scanlime | kergoth: the little battery-powered ones are good |
| 00:57.33 | ChipX86 | not really. |
| 00:57.57 | pagefault | friends don't let friends play WoW |
| 00:57.57 | kergoth | the canon elphs look nifty cause they're so small, but i need to read some reviews |
| 00:57.57 | pagefault | :) |
| 00:58.04 | ChipX86 | pagefault: you play WoW |
| 00:58.15 | pagefault | yeah |
| 00:58.22 | nullpuppy | friends don't know how to stop friends from playing wow cause they play too |
| 00:58.23 | pagefault | but |
| 00:58.27 | kergoth | nullpuppy: haha |
| 00:58.28 | scanlime | obviously you all have no friends |
| 00:58.30 | pagefault | it's my fault my friends are addicited to it nwo |
| 00:58.43 | pagefault | err now |
| 00:58.48 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 00:58.48 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: yep :) |
| 00:58.57 | ChipX86 | my co-worker Walter has quit 3 times now |
| 00:59.03 | pagefault | pfft |
| 00:59.05 | ChipX86 | he's playing it again. He said it's just not worth trying to stop |
| 00:59.05 | pagefault | you can't quit more than once |
| 00:59.06 | nullpuppy | hahahahaha |
| 00:59.06 | nullpuppy | rofl |
| 00:59.10 | nullpuppy | thats awesome |
| 00:59.20 | ChipX86 | and when I say quit, I mean cancelling the subscription |
| 00:59.27 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 00:59.40 | pagefault | thats like someone saying they won't buy cigarettes |
| 00:59.59 | scanlime | pagefault: no, it's like someone cancelling their monthly subscription for cigarettes |
| 01:00.09 | pagefault | well |
| 01:00.11 | ChipX86 | heyy, there's a money-making idea |
| 01:00.25 | pagefault | a month is like a pack of cigarettes |
| 01:00.29 | pagefault | in WoW |
| 01:00.50 | ChipX86 | it's a lot more than a pack |
| 01:01.10 | pagefault | for a big pack it's about the same price here |
| 01:01.11 | ChipX86 | I was surprised to find a quest where I had to beat up pirates and steal their drugs to give to another guy |
| 01:01.23 | pagefault | they are taxed to hell here |
| 01:01.25 | ChipX86 | oh, money-wise |
| 01:01.48 | pagefault | the game cards are more money than buying on CC now |
| 01:01.55 | pagefault | because of the exchange rate |
| 01:02.33 | pagefault | $40 for a 60 day card |
| 01:02.36 | pagefault | vs 2 months on CC is like $30 |
| 01:03.03 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 01:03.23 | pagefault | it's just my friend uses a gamecard and I pay on CC |
| 01:03.25 | pagefault | and it costs him more |
| 01:03.51 | scanlime | well, that was a somewhat less productive day than yesterday.. but not too bad |
| 01:04.01 | purple_cow | kergoth: darth_mall & i are both happy with our elphs |
| 01:04.14 | kergoth | ah didnt realize you had them. what models? |
| 01:04.19 | kergoth | and hows the battery life? |
| 01:04.27 | ChipX86 | elphs? |
| 01:04.54 | ChipX86 | ohh |
| 01:05.25 | purple_cow | i've never explicitly tested battery life, but i've gone out on all-day hikes, taking lots of photos and battery was fine |
| 01:07.22 | kergoth | cool |
| 01:07.26 | purple_cow | good optics, pretty low-noise sensor |
| 01:07.32 | nullpuppy | hmm, my zen needs a cradle thingy to put on my desk (as does my cell phone actually..) |
| 01:07.53 | ChipX86 | my rio tricked me again |
| 01:07.57 | ChipX86 | I thought it had died, and i wa happy |
| 01:08.01 | ChipX86 | then it started working again |
| 01:08.14 | numist | haha |
| 01:08.15 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 01:08.26 | nullpuppy | warranty? or just want it replaced? |
| 01:08.37 | ChipX86 | I want to buy an iAudio X5 |
| 01:08.54 | ChipX86 | I can't justify it if I have a working mp3 player |
| 01:09.02 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 01:09.05 | ChipX86 | even if it's only barely working and doesn't let me do playlists and keeps skipping tracks and stuff |
| 01:09.12 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:09.25 | ChipX86 | going to the hackfest soon |
| 01:09.28 | nullpuppy | i like my zen touch, not perfect, but not bad either |
| 01:09.30 | nullpuppy | hackfest? |
| 01:09.31 | ChipX86 | scanlime: want the address? |
| 01:09.37 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: we're going to break into the government!! |
| 01:09.48 | nullpuppy | w00! |
| 01:09.54 | nullpuppy | gonna hax0r teh g1bs0n? |
| 01:10.09 | ChipX86 | through the back door |
| 01:10.13 | nullpuppy | awesome |
| 01:10.18 | ChipX86 | it's protected by a 7 layer firewall, but my virus can penetrate that |
| 01:10.39 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:10.57 | nullpuppy | ooh, the iaudio looks nice |
| 01:11.02 | ChipX86 | tis sexy |
| 01:11.10 | ChipX86 | and my rio knows I want it |
| 01:11.12 | ChipX86 | hence the ruse |
| 01:11.17 | nullpuppy | how much are they? |
| 01:11.19 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 01:11.20 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:11.22 | ChipX86 | $350? |
| 01:11.24 | nullpuppy | k, have teh fun |
| 01:11.24 | file[laptop] | you could accidentally break your rio more |
| 01:11.26 | nullpuppy | ah, ok |
| 01:11.30 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: :) |
| 01:11.34 | kergoth | hmmm... http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0411987 for $244 after coupons |
| 01:11.40 | nullpuppy | accidently like.. throw it in a lake or something ;) |
| 01:11.51 | ChipX86|Gone | the HD could be useful though |
| 01:12.00 | nullpuppy | aww |
| 01:12.12 | ChipX86|Gone | it's a very tiny 20GB HD |
| 01:12.21 | nullpuppy | then.. 'fix' it :) |
| 01:12.38 | file[laptop] | nullpuppy: excellent choice of words |
| 01:13.28 | nullpuppy | why thank you ;) |
| 01:15.32 | nullpuppy | hmm, i forget.. is subversion required if you use tortoisesvn? |
| 01:15.39 | nullpuppy | (only need client support here..) |
| 01:16.07 | numist | nullpuppy: no |
| 01:16.07 | ChipX86|Gone | scanlime: oh |
| 01:16.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (3D/src/display.cpp client/src/client.cpp): get the GL to do some GL |
| 01:16.25 | ChipX86|Gone | scanlime: http://www.svlug.org/events/hacksoc.shtml |
| 01:16.34 | nullpuppy | numist: k, thanks |
| 01:17.01 | numist | :) |
| 01:26.42 | numist | i/o error?! |
| 01:26.53 | numist | Ill give you a fscking i/o error!!! |
| 01:32.17 | purple_cow | or, even better |
| 01:34.22 | purple_cow | kergoth: huh, does that model not have optical zoom? |
| 01:34.45 | kergoth | that one doesnt, i've been through 8-10 other cameras since linking that one |
| 01:34.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:35.03 | kergoth | lots of them suck in one way or another.. |
| 01:35.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:35.43 | purple_cow | ok, time to go buy martial arts movies at cheap prices |
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| 01:56.37 | scanlime | ChipX86|Gone: yeah, I found it. About to leave... |
| 01:57.53 | pagefault | I love boobies |
| 01:57.58 | pagefault | hmm |
| 01:58.00 | pagefault | is that such a crime? |
| 02:05.39 | ChipX86|Gone | back |
| 02:05.55 | ChipX86|Gone | pagefault: nope |
| 02:05.56 | ChipX86|Gone | scanlime: cool |
| 02:06.03 | ChipX86 | pagefault: it's a privilege |
| 02:06.18 | pagefault | the girl at the liquor store liked my shirt |
| 02:06.24 | pagefault | "no I will not fix your computer" |
| 02:06.30 | pagefault | I think she wanted me to fix her comptuer |
| 02:07.06 | pagefault | for some reason I get a lot of comments from that shirt |
| 02:07.09 | pagefault | they all say the same thing |
| 02:07.12 | pagefault | "do you fix computers?" |
| 02:09.12 | pagefault | attack pattern delta |
| 02:10.18 | kergoth | dangit, i cant find a camera i like |
| 02:11.20 | kergoth | dont give me ideas |
| 02:11.27 | pagefault | girlswhoplaywow.com |
| 02:11.32 | kergoth | haha |
| 02:11.50 | ChipX86 | I may rebornify taco |
| 02:11.51 | pagefault | "we found this level 50 nightelf down at the bar one day, man she really knew how to buff us good" |
| 02:11.54 | ChipX86 | but in C++ |
| 02:12.08 | pagefault | it would be funny to do a parody site though |
| 02:12.18 | pagefault | like sickcoeds.com |
| 02:12.20 | pagefault | or whatever that site was |
| 02:12.33 | pagefault | just a bunch of girls sneezing with the cold :) |
| 02:17.05 | file | I think you've lost it pagefault |
| 02:17.11 | pagefault | yeah |
| 02:17.12 | pagefault | probably |
| 02:17.49 | pagefault | combination of caffeine/sleep deprivation and one beer |
| 02:17.54 | pagefault | it can do strange things |
| 02:17.58 | nullpuppy | oooh, finally, some decent dual head wallpapers |
| 02:18.01 | nullpuppy | http://www.deviantart.com/view/22070809/ |
| 02:18.02 | nullpuppy | http://www.deviantart.com/view/21917692/ |
| 02:18.08 | pagefault | ok that sounded really wrong to me |
| 02:18.14 | nullpuppy | http://www.deviantart.com/view/22116408/ http://www.deviantart.com/view/22127294/ |
| 02:18.15 | pagefault | I should really go to bed |
| 02:18.19 | nullpuppy | pagefault: :) |
| 02:18.32 | pagefault | i'm having one of those moments |
| 02:18.37 | pagefault | I haven't found a word for it |
| 02:18.46 | nullpuppy | hmm, speaking of beer |
| 02:18.50 | nullpuppy | time to try it out |
| 02:18.54 | nullpuppy | should be nice and cool now |
| 02:18.57 | pagefault | oh wow that background is great |
| 02:19.02 | pagefault | the first oe |
| 02:19.03 | pagefault | one |
| 02:19.47 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 02:19.59 | nullpuppy | tis beautiful |
| 02:20.12 | nullpuppy | ok, popping open my first homebrew ;) |
| 02:20.53 | nullpuppy | oh man |
| 02:21.08 | nullpuppy | that looks beautiful, too bad I don't have a camera on me ;( |
| 02:21.57 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:22.00 | nullpuppy | damn |
| 02:22.07 | nullpuppy | this is some good shit :) |
| 02:23.11 | purple_cow | ChipX86: you should rebornify in python ;) |
| 02:23.21 | ChipX86 | I don't like python :/ |
| 02:23.24 | ChipX86 | but I do like gtkmm |
| 02:23.26 | purple_cow | you don't? :( |
| 02:23.29 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 02:23.39 | numist | hey, I knew I liked chippy |
| 02:23.43 | numist | :x |
| 02:24.18 | darth_mall | well, that was fun |
| 02:24.19 | file | ugh I don't feel good |
| 02:24.33 | purple_cow | what was fun? |
| 02:25.22 | pagefault | http://www.geeksforhire.com/images/geeksandhuns.jpg |
| 02:25.23 | pagefault | I love that |
| 02:26.54 | nullpuppy | http://www.nulldomain.com/node/94 |
| 02:26.55 | nullpuppy | w00t! |
| 02:28.03 | pagefault | oh wow |
| 02:28.05 | nullpuppy | i think my pouring skill needs a bit of work (got a bit of the yeast residue into the glass I think), but still, this is damn good |
| 02:28.12 | pagefault | I need to try it |
| 02:28.33 | nullpuppy | retry what? |
| 02:28.47 | darth_mall | purple_cow: had cake |
| 02:28.55 | purple_cow | cake is good |
| 02:28.58 | darth_mall | indeed |
| 02:29.02 | nullpuppy | did you find it on the street? |
| 02:29.08 | pagefault | what is the alc level on that |
| 02:29.09 | darth_mall | nope |
| 02:29.33 | nullpuppy | oh.. not retry... try .. I can read.. really! |
| 02:29.49 | file | liar! |
| 02:29.51 | nullpuppy | pagefault: no idea :) probably around 5% but I'm not sure |
| 02:29.52 | file | Veight: wb!!! |
| 02:30.01 | file | blast! |
| 02:30.02 | Veight{sleep} | heh |
| 02:30.10 | nullpuppy | pagefault: come to seattle :) I'll give ya a bottle ;) |
| 02:30.18 | file | darth_mall: okay :( |
| 02:30.33 | file | pagefault: :P |
| 02:30.50 | file | I'm already funny and insane when not drunk, how worse can it get? |
| 02:31.08 | pagefault | thats what makes it so interesting |
| 02:31.12 | nullpuppy | I'd offer to ship it.. but I think that would do Bad Things(tm) (i.e., mix it all up with the yeast and stuff, which can ruin it) |
| 02:31.43 | pagefault | yeah I don't think customs would like that either |
| 02:31.47 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 02:31.50 | file | pagefault: you just want free booze |
| 02:31.54 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:31.58 | pagefault | file, who doesn't?!?! |
| 02:32.32 | pagefault | I should really try it though |
| 02:32.43 | pagefault | there is a home brewing supply store like almost behind my house |
| 02:32.47 | pagefault | so I have no excuse |
| 02:33.06 | file | everything is around your house! |
| 02:33.18 | nullpuppy | even your house! |
| 02:33.24 | file | scary |
| 02:33.46 | pagefault | it's Mr Beer & Wine u Brew |
| 02:34.17 | pagefault | it's been there for years |
| 02:34.22 | pagefault | I see it every day when I go the bus |
| 02:36.30 | scanlime | yayy |
| 02:36.33 | scanlime | happy wireless at roundtable pizza |
| 02:37.16 | numist | yay |
| 02:37.52 | purple_cow | nullpuppy: mixing up the yeast can ruin it? isn't it just inactive sediment? |
| 02:38.09 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8919 10/trunk/ (evfs/ evfs/evfs-test.py obfuscated/): svn:ignore |
| 02:38.13 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: yeah, pretty much |
| 02:38.21 | nullpuppy | have you ever tasted that though? :) |
| 02:38.33 | purple_cow | that's why you let it sit for a couple weeks after shipping :P |
| 02:38.37 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:38.43 | nullpuppy | yeah, that could work too :) |
| 02:46.29 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 02:46.30 | purple_cow | http://bvra.org/ |
| 02:50.37 | pagefault | I had an e-mail I got |
| 02:50.41 | pagefault | but now I can't find it on gmail |
| 02:50.45 | pagefault | it disappeared |
| 02:51.31 | file | I'm talking to my friend in New Zealand |
| 02:51.33 | file | he's fun to talk to |
| 02:51.48 | pagefault | for free |
| 02:51.53 | file | of course |
| 02:51.57 | file | he's extensin 277906 on my system |
| 02:52.52 | scanlime | purple_cow: that's awful |
| 02:53.01 | purple_cow | awfully funny |
| 02:53.15 | scanlime | ok |
| 02:56.40 | CIA-5 | covenant-misc: 03kergoth * r15 10rrdlua/ (. TODO rrdclass.lua rrdtest.lua): Split out tests from the core classes, update class docs, and update TODO. |
| 02:58.26 | CIA-5 | covenant-misc: 03kergoth * r16 10rrdlua/rrdtest.lua: Set svn:executable for rrdtest.lua. |
| 02:59.42 | CIA-5 | covenant-misc: 03kergoth * r17 10rrdlua/ (rrdclass.lua rrdtest.lua): Add #! to rrdtest, remove it from rrdclass, and add copyright/license/etc to rrdtest. |
| 03:00.34 | scanlime | hehe |
| 03:00.56 | scanlime | it's a bit touchy... I have a working copy on wasabi that does a little more soya integration but still doesn't work |
| 03:01.58 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r231 10/branches/taco-python/: Branching. No promises, but this might be a good way to try coding Python again. |
| 03:02.18 | scanlime | oh, what's the name of that opengl state management thing that lets you tile apps and make them network transparent and such |
| 03:04.27 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.36 | scanlime | that's mostly where the touchiness comes from |
| 03:05.35 | purple_cow | tile apps? |
| 03:05.54 | purple_cow | are you talking about chromium? |
| 03:05.58 | scanlime | yes, that's it |
| 03:06.20 | purple_cow | err, huh |
| 03:06.22 | scanlime | most of chromium's job IIRC consisted of keeping track of the OpenGL state changes performed by each app |
| 03:06.26 | purple_cow | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/soya/_soya.so: undefined symbol: CalModel_Destroy |
| 03:06.33 | scanlime | oh |
| 03:06.37 | scanlime | the soya in portage is broken |
| 03:06.46 | scanlime | there's a 0.10.1 ebuild in gentoo bugzilla, use that |
| 03:07.16 | darth_mall | hehe... pizza in a cup |
| 03:08.48 | darth_mall | I love this movie |
| 03:10.09 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8920 10python/glx-hijack/ (glx-hijack.c overlay.py): Might as well commit this change that gives glx-hijack.so a nonzero amount of error checking. |
| 03:10.24 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:10.27 | scanlime | oh fuck |
| 03:10.42 | kergoth | huh - http://kurmi.luaforge.net/ |
| 03:11.09 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8921 10python/glx-hijack/overlay.py: Back out the hyper-experimental and mostly completely-broken changes to overlay.py |
| 03:12.25 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:13.46 | scanlime | any luck with soya? |
| 03:14.58 | purple_cow | this new ebuild requires pyopenal, which isn't building >< |
| 03:15.08 | scanlime | hmm |
| 03:15.13 | nullpuppy | hrm.. no ebuilds for the 5.5beta.. /me still needs to install taht on his linux box |
| 03:15.38 | purple_cow | ah, use flag |
| 03:16.01 | scanlime | oh no, now mplayer won't have sound! |
| 03:16.06 | nullpuppy | oh no! |
| 03:16.14 | purple_cow | yes it will :P |
| 03:16.17 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:16.26 | purple_cow | soya won't have sound |
| 03:16.30 | purple_cow | which i'm totally OK with |
| 03:16.34 | scanlime | yeah |
| 03:16.43 | purple_cow | especially on my laptop :P |
| 03:16.44 | scanlime | soya doesn't even need SDL really... |
| 03:16.51 | scanlime | which is tricky |
| 03:18.13 | purple_cow | teehee, soya/pudding |
| 03:18.18 | purple_cow | yay pudding |
| 03:18.24 | scanlime | you should be able to trivially port the example to PyOpenGL if you have that installed and dont' really want soya yet |
| 03:18.24 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:18.34 | purple_cow | meh, it's installing now |
| 03:18.38 | scanlime | ok |
| 03:18.43 | scanlime | soya is fun to play with for other reasons |
| 03:18.49 | purple_cow | and i like something higher level than opengl |
| 03:19.07 | scanlime | well, right now my mplayer hack is just using soya's opengl bindings without using the rest of soya |
| 03:19.12 | scanlime | but I'm in the process of fixing that |
| 03:19.16 | purple_cow | cool beans |
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| 03:19.53 | ChipX86 | hey :) |
| 03:19.58 | spooklight | hi :) |
| 03:20.16 | scanlime | hiya |
| 03:20.30 | spooklight | hello |
| 03:20.42 | nullpuppy | howdy-ho neighborino! |
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| 03:21.20 | scanlime | ChipX86: are those two necessarily mutually exclusive goals? |
| 03:21.23 | purple_cow | both? |
| 03:21.25 | ChipX86 | possibly :) |
| 03:21.43 | darth_mall | mmm... tacos |
| 03:21.47 | scanlime | mm.. pizza |
| 03:21.47 | ChipX86 | I want to get back to the point where taco is now, and it's faster to do that with gtkmm, but I should learn python |
| 03:22.01 | purple_cow | ChipX86: you might be surprised ;) |
| 03:22.04 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:22.05 | scanlime | yes |
| 03:22.15 | darth_mall | no learning allowed |
| 03:22.17 | scanlime | once you get the hang of python it has a way of making development go uber-fast |
| 03:25.54 | file | still on the phone with this guy... he's hilarious |
| 03:27.35 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8922 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/main-window.c: make the nickname button not use the mnemonic underline |
| 03:33.38 | scanlime | haha |
| 03:33.39 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:33.44 | scanlime | I like -2 |
| 03:36.47 | purple_cow | yeah, me too |
| 03:37.54 | purple_cow | i'm thinking they can kind of flash in like the special world bubbles in sonic 3, leaving a bunch of tiny goldish particles that evaporate quickly |
| 03:37.54 | scanlime | :) |
| 03:38.02 | scanlime | ooh |
| 03:38.03 | scanlime | cute |
| 03:38.16 | scanlime | hmm |
| 03:39.08 | purple_cow | yay, my dinner's here |
| 03:40.11 | purple_cow | gotta love gentoo |
| 03:40.20 | purple_cow | i can't fathom why that hasn't been fixed yet |
| 03:41.17 | scanlime | I'm not sure if gentoo is involved.. but it's hard to tell |
| 03:41.52 | purple_cow | in my experience, X over ssh works perfectly on every distro except gentoo, where it never works |
| 03:42.12 | scanlime | going from ubunto to openembedded to gentoo |
| 03:42.20 | purple_cow | eek |
| 03:42.38 | purple_cow | well, at least it's not ubantu ;) |
| 03:43.02 | numist | yay nullpuppy's brew |
| 03:43.18 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 03:43.21 | kergoth | i should watch a movie |
| 03:43.39 | scanlime | hehe |
| 03:48.20 | nullpuppy | numist: :) |
| 03:48.26 | numist | :) |
| 03:48.35 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 03:48.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:49.12 | numist | aye |
| 03:50.44 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:50.47 | kergoth | maybe i'll watch Donnie Darko |
| 03:50.50 | kergoth | havent seen that in a while |
| 03:51.08 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_calls.c gemini_calls.h gemini.c): Add gemini_add_transaction to ser.cfg exposure so we can peer with other SIP-based providers |
| 03:55.32 | purple_cow | lemme know when you get ong bak, i heard it was good |
| 03:55.51 | file | frell that won't do exactly what I want |
| 03:56.48 | purple_cow | you do realize that using made-up TV curses makes you sound like a complete wuss? |
| 03:57.14 | file | why do you think I care? |
| 03:57.27 | purple_cow | because that's the kind of thing that can get you punched in the mouth? |
| 03:57.38 | file | not really |
| 03:57.43 | purple_cow | i'd do it |
| 03:58.14 | file | okay |
| 03:58.49 | kergoth | purple_cow: 60 hours left on ong bak. only one guy on ubermovie has it, and he's on a damn slow dsl connection :( |
| 03:59.06 | purple_cow | aww |
| 03:59.35 | purple_cow | though i guess 60 hours really isn't that long |
| 04:00.06 | kergoth | yeah, as long as he doesnt try opening more upload slots |
| 04:01.25 | purple_cow | oh, wow |
| 04:01.34 | purple_cow | there's an 'asian' section on mininova i had totally missed |
| 04:01.41 | numist | ? |
| 04:03.02 | scanlime | hah |
| 04:03.20 | scanlime | so these two guys showed up with no computer and spent most of the time talking to me about gcj |
| 04:03.38 | scanlime | convincing me that it's basically C with garbage collection and java syntax |
| 04:03.42 | scanlime | and that it's a good thing :) |
| 04:03.44 | purple_cow | hahahaha |
| 04:03.45 | numist | did they convince you? |
| 04:05.51 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini.c gemini_calls.c gemini_calls.h): Add gemini_add_ip_transaction so you only have to specify the IP and port, and it generates the URI and adds it as a transaction |
| 04:06.52 | scanlime | numist: I have a resistance built up, I've dealt with gcj loonies before |
| 04:07.20 | purple_cow | java syntax/style is almost as cool as objc syntax/style |
| 04:07.22 | darth_mall | gcj? |
| 04:07.34 | darth_mall | purple_cow: everyone loves [] |
| 04:07.42 | scanlime | darth_mall: gcc for java |
| 04:07.51 | darth_mall | ah |
| 04:10.06 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:10.25 | scanlime | so I was trying to debug this by pulling screenshots onto zero then looking at them there... |
| 04:10.28 | scanlime | first one I get was: |
| 04:10.29 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/~micah/foo.jpeg |
| 04:10.45 | ChipX86 | yay crack mansion |
| 04:10.46 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 04:11.15 | darth_mall | dammit |
| 04:11.27 | darth_mall | who wants to fly me to NYC for TMBG's new years show? |
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| 04:11.34 | scanlime | =( |
| 04:13.07 | purple_cow | mmm, i'd forgotten how pretty the fights are in this movie |
| 04:15.33 | kergoth | hrm, i dont have subtitles for the advent children i downloaded |
| 04:16.36 | purple_cow | you sure? not a separate file or text stream? |
| 04:17.01 | nullpuppy | kergoth: which torrent did you grab? |
| 04:18.29 | kergoth | the torrent said it had them.. hmm |
| 04:18.48 | darth_mall | kergoth: it might be in its own directory |
| 04:20.51 | kergoth | ah yeah, there it is |
| 04:20.56 | darth_mall | yay |
| 04:21.09 | kergoth | man, the graphics in this movie are incredible |
| 04:21.23 | kergoth | they're getting close to real life quality rendering |
| 04:21.28 | scanlime | and look at the frame rate! |
| 04:21.33 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:21.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:21.40 | purple_cow | 27? :) |
| 04:21.51 | kergoth | i never played ff7 though :( |
| 04:21.55 | purple_cow | aww |
| 04:21.56 | scanlime | =( |
| 04:22.10 | scanlime | it will still be a cool movie, but not mind-bogglingly so |
| 04:22.13 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 04:22.13 | ChipX86 | I never got far in it. I need ot buy it |
| 04:22.19 | darth_mall | bad kergoth |
| 04:22.22 | scanlime | you're less likely to giggle like a schoolgirl when your favorite characters appear |
| 04:22.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:22.33 | darth_mall | FF7 was the best of them |
| 04:25.33 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:26.32 | purple_cow | full of good characters and a cute villain |
| 04:26.44 | nullpuppy | lhehe |
| 04:27.06 | nullpuppy | aww, poor hyperion.. no tangerine dream :( |
| 04:30.59 | laodamas | FFIV owns FFVII |
| 04:32.25 | purple_cow | 8 is kinda crummy, and x is kinda crummier |
| 04:32.35 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:32.35 | laodamas | V was cute. VI was almost as awesome as IV |
| 04:33.17 | ChipX86 | I love 6 |
| 04:33.22 | ChipX86 | 2 was good |
| 04:33.30 | ChipX86 | and I know people will kick me for it, but I love 8 and 9 |
| 04:33.35 | laodamas | ChipX86: 2 US or 2 JAP? |
| 04:33.41 | purple_cow | X doesn't allow you to *do* anything |
| 04:33.52 | purple_cow | it's all cutscenes, with a little combat and some save points :P |
| 04:34.03 | nullpuppy | I still liked it :) |
| 04:34.24 | nullpuppy | the little I played of 9 I liked |
| 04:34.28 | laodamas | VII-X feel too much like interactive movies for my taste |
| 04:35.41 | darth_mall | but I didn't think 9 was too bad |
| 04:35.56 | darth_mall | it certainly had better characters than 8 or 10 |
| 04:38.59 | nullpuppy | awww, damn, doesn't look like FFXII will be out in the US until next november (Japan release date of 3/16/06 apparently..) |
| 04:41.06 | purple_cow | cool, 14 new torrents for various martial arts movies, including a non-broken copy of wheels on meals |
| 04:41.53 | darth_mall | yay |
| 04:42.05 | numist | wheels on meals? |
| 04:42.08 | numist | isnt that... |
| 04:42.17 | darth_mall | Jackie Chan! |
| 04:42.23 | darth_mall | yay Jackie Chan |
| 04:42.33 | purple_cow | yep |
| 04:42.39 | purple_cow | that includes a fair number of jackie chan movies |
| 04:42.46 | purple_cow | including a vampire movie he apparently did in 2k3 |
| 04:42.57 | darth_mall | oooh |
| 04:42.59 | darth_mall | I like vampirs |
| 04:44.02 | purple_cow | and it's not an american film, so it probably doesn't suck stunt-wise |
| 04:44.16 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 04:44.24 | darth_mall | I like vampires ^^ |
| 04:49.59 | file[laptop] | I should go to sleep |
| 04:50.53 | purple_cow | yes, please do |
| 04:51.22 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 05:01.32 | purple_cow | huh |
| 05:01.43 | purple_cow | my bread knife has almost exactly the same handle and weight as my trainer knife... |
| 05:02.22 | purple_cow | balance too |
| 05:03.35 | numist | yay throwing knives! |
| 05:03.57 | purple_cow | not throwing :P |
| 05:04.02 | numist | well.. |
| 05:04.18 | purple_cow | i have throwing knives, but those are totally different |
| 05:04.23 | purple_cow | i would never throw a knife with a handle |
| 05:04.28 | purple_cow | puts way too much stress on the blade |
| 05:04.52 | purple_cow | most "throwing knives" are just one piece of steel |
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| 05:14.40 | numist | my throwing knives are just pieces of steel with wrapped handles :P |
| 05:15.08 | purple_cow | wrapped? hibben? |
| 05:15.21 | numist | good call, you get a cookie |
| 05:15.26 | numist | they are hibbens |
| 05:15.41 | purple_cow | ^^ |
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| 05:16.25 | numist | I used mine a lot until recently |
| 05:17.00 | purple_cow | i just haven't found the time/energy/money to build a target |
| 05:17.53 | purple_cow | and throwing at shelfboard sucks |
| 05:18.24 | numist | I used spare boxes, sheetrock, plywood backing... anything I had to spare |
| 05:18.31 | darth_mall | purple_cow: throw at that door next to yours that doesn't appear to go anywhere useful |
| 05:18.31 | numist | plywood was a bad idea, btw |
| 05:18.47 | numist | broke the tip off my cheap knife |
| 05:18.52 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i finally looked in there when the door was cracked |
| 05:18.57 | purple_cow | it's just a little maintenance corridor |
| 05:19.11 | darth_mall | perfect for throwing knives at! |
| 05:19.21 | purple_cow | numist: yeah, anything other than real grained wood is bad |
| 05:19.30 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:19.38 | numist | sheetrock worked... a lil easy to pierce though |
| 05:19.51 | purple_cow | yikes, i can easily see throwing *through* sheetrock |
| 05:19.52 | numist | or.. sorry not sheetrock, drywall |
| 05:20.01 | numist | yeah, those targets didnt last long |
| 05:20.02 | purple_cow | there's a difference? |
| 05:20.20 | numist | sheetrock is a thin type of pressed sawdust material.. used like a veneer sometimes |
| 05:20.24 | numist | drywall is like chalk |
| 05:20.33 | purple_cow | ah |
| 05:20.37 | darth_mall | you could throw sheetrock *at* drywall! |
| 05:20.40 | numist | sye |
| 05:20.42 | numist | and pierce it |
| 05:20.47 | darth_mall | and then throw knives at pedestrians |
| 05:20.53 | purple_cow | yes! |
| 05:20.57 | purple_cow | like everyone on pearl street |
| 05:21.00 | purple_cow | and campus |
| 05:21.00 | numist | actually, I learned early not to let other people throw my knives... |
| 05:21.11 | numist | esp when someone just baseball threw it into a tree and it bounced back and almost hit my foot |
| 05:21.24 | numist | no more knives for you, buddy |
| 05:21.29 | purple_cow | there are several problems there |
| 05:21.32 | numist | frankly, I was impressed he hit the tree |
| 05:21.33 | purple_cow | (1) them throwing at a tree |
| 05:21.33 | zak | purple_cow: just let me know when you plan to kill everyone on campus and will mysteriously be absent that day. |
| 05:21.36 | numist | period |
| 05:21.42 | purple_cow | (2) you not paying attention ;) |
| 05:21.55 | numist | ah, there was a reason why he missed my foot... I was paying attention ;) |
| 05:22.01 | purple_cow | zak: not everyone, just people walking around not watching where they're going |
| 05:22.12 | numist | hi zak :) |
| 05:22.15 | zak | purple_cow: have you seen me walk lately? |
| 05:22.19 | zak | i am worse then you! |
| 05:22.23 | zak | :P |
| 05:22.28 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:22.36 | numist | I do need to fabricate a target though |
| 05:22.48 | numist | and an airsoft target... cans are too easy to pierce |
| 05:23.10 | purple_cow | i've heard that crossbow targets work well |
| 05:23.12 | darth_mall | cattle prods on the other hand... |
| 05:23.18 | purple_cow | darth_mall: these are less than 3.5 inches long! |
| 05:23.25 | numist | purple_cow: are they easy to fabricate in your own home? |
| 05:23.40 | purple_cow | numist: if by "fabricate" you mean "buy on the interweb" |
| 05:23.57 | darth_mall | all of you should bear in mind that I will forever love that person that gets me a taser for christmas this year |
| 05:24.06 | numist | purple_cow: no, I mean "truck down to the home despot and build one" |
| 05:24.10 | purple_cow | i was just going to go buy some treated pine and laminate them together |
| 05:24.42 | zak | yea home despot! |
| 05:24.44 | darth_mall | or just tie up the neigbours cat and suspend from a nearby tree >=) |
| 05:24.45 | numist | I figure if I use a jointer on a few 2x4's (or wider) I can make a decent target |
| 05:24.50 | numist | zak: :D |
| 05:25.00 | purple_cow | hmm, i suppose they *are* building one of those right nearby |
| 05:25.15 | darth_mall | what? a cat suspended from a tree? |
| 05:25.19 | zak | purple_cow: they are building cats on trees? |
| 05:25.21 | purple_cow | a home depot |
| 05:25.25 | zak | oh |
| 05:25.29 | purple_cow | it |
| 05:25.35 | purple_cow | 's going to be one of the stores in the new crossroads |
| 05:26.14 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah, but that's easy |
| 05:26.45 | purple_cow | you can buy twine anywhere, and i know a few places to get cats |
| 05:28.14 | darth_mall | hehehe |
| 05:28.28 | darth_mall | we could make a kit and sell it on the internet! |
| 05:28.30 | numist | ... |
| 05:28.34 | numist | cat not included |
| 05:28.44 | numist | no cats were (un)harmed in the making of this... |
| 05:28.45 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:28.52 | purple_cow | send a ball of twine and an instruction sheet? :) |
| 05:28.59 | numist | right :) |
| 05:29.12 | numist | note that 5 of 6 ends of a peeved cat can get very pointy |
| 05:29.38 | purple_cow | lasso! |
| 05:29.50 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r232 10/branches/taco-python/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Added the beginnings of Taco, Large Snake Edition. |
| 05:29.57 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 05:30.04 | purple_cow | go ChipX86! |
| 05:30.10 | ChipX86 | don't bother checking it out yet |
| 05:30.18 | darth_mall | numist: cats may be pointy, but we've got tools |
| 05:30.19 | ChipX86 | I'm new to python, the code sucks, and it's all a learning experience |
| 05:30.19 | numist | ChipX86 has a large snake? :o |
| 05:30.26 | numist | darth_mall: thats what I like to hear :) |
| 05:30.59 | purple_cow | ChipX86: trust us, you'll be writing python in no time |
| 05:32.56 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 05:33.28 | zak | purple_cow: i still want to learn, i just suck |
| 05:33.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:34.03 | numist | stick partner? |
| 05:34.24 | numist | Im down |
| 05:34.31 | purple_cow | numist: noone else at my dojo seems to really be into the stick thing |
| 05:34.40 | purple_cow | well, there's one guy, but he's way too busy |
| 05:34.47 | numist | I learned a lot of cool things from an old kickboxer roommate of mine |
| 05:34.58 | numist | Im sure my finer points are all horrible, but it was a lot of fun |
| 05:35.59 | darth_mall | purple_cow: that's not quite what I meant |
| 05:36.07 | darth_mall | I was thinking more along the lines of target practice |
| 05:36.13 | purple_cow | oh |
| 05:36.23 | numist | :P |
| 05:36.29 | purple_cow | i'm good at hitting targets, it's just i never get practice at defense :P |
| 05:36.29 | numist | thats not nearly as challenging |
| 05:36.52 | purple_cow | i'm perfectly capable of training speed/power/accuracy on my own |
| 05:37.35 | zak | there is something fundamentally wrong with this sentence: " paid community service opportunity" |
| 05:37.49 | darth_mall | well, presumably if you hit enough people, some people will eventually start hitting back |
| 05:37.55 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 05:38.00 | numist | darth_mall: presumably, that would be the police |
| 05:38.03 | numist | and they dont fight fair |
| 05:38.26 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 05:38.44 | purple_cow | i could probably handle nightsticks, but sticks are pretty useless against a gun :P |
| 05:39.10 | numist | I started learning weapons using nightsticks, they are awesome |
| 05:39.21 | darth_mall | pfff... 'fair' fights are for chumps |
| 05:39.35 | numist | bullets define unfair |
| 05:39.37 | purple_cow | darth_mall: only if you're on the right side :P |
| 05:40.07 | darth_mall | why are bullets unfair? |
| 05:40.11 | numist | ... |
| 05:40.15 | numist | have you ever met a bullet? |
| 05:40.28 | darth_mall | nope, I've got more brains than to pick a losing fight ;) |
| 05:41.12 | scanlime | zak: poing |
| 05:41.45 | darth_mall | but I'd hardly call a tool designed to give you an advantage 'unfair' |
| 05:42.20 | numist | if the other person is using it, then they have the advantage, which makes it unfair :) |
| 05:42.27 | numist | its all perspective |
| 05:42.43 | darth_mall | 'fair' fights are for people who read too many books or have something to prove |
| 05:43.12 | numist | actually, people with something to prove are likely to take unfair fights too |
| 05:43.46 | darth_mall | yeah, but they're the ones who whine about "unfair fights" when they lose ;) |
| 05:45.19 | numist | indeed |
| 05:45.26 | numist | but if you're lucky, theyll die in the process |
| 05:45.59 | darth_mall | die in what process? whining? |
| 05:47.10 | darth_mall | it would be a cool thing to see |
| 05:49.11 | purple_cow | hehe, and SGR has a good line too |
| 05:49.25 | purple_cow | ``A taste of honey is worse than none at all, but better than a mouthful of angry bees'' |
| 05:51.52 | numist | darth_mall: no, in the process of losing |
| 05:52.44 | darth_mall | that would not be so lucky |
| 05:52.57 | darth_mall | because then you get to play with the american legal system |
| 05:54.03 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 05:54.43 | darth_mall | well, I know I love funneling gobs of money into the economy via defense lawyers |
| 05:55.20 | purple_cow | who doesn't? |
| 05:56.45 | zak | me |
| 05:58.03 | numist | darth_mall: actually, if theyre on your property, in some states it would be better to ensure that the wounds are lethal |
| 05:58.07 | purple_cow | teehee, the tricking scene makes me giggle so much |
| 05:58.41 | kergoth | advent children was good :) |
| 05:58.44 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:58.54 | kergoth | even though i was trying to figure out wtf was going on half the time |
| 05:58.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:59.11 | purple_cow | with the cool music and the great ringtone |
| 05:59.25 | zak | scanlime: if i knew what carrier you used for your cellphone, and if i were a huge brat, i'd change your background ^_^ |
| 05:59.39 | purple_cow | he's on T-mobile ;) |
| 06:00.37 | purple_cow | guh |
| 06:00.53 | purple_cow | these trick kiddies are pretty good coreographers, but their breakfalls are terrible |
| 06:00.54 | kergoth | ugh, stomach all out of whack |
| 06:01.02 | purple_cow | i wonder how badly they hurt themselves making these videos |
| 06:01.24 | darth_mall | numist: there were a couple of very key phrases in that statement: "if they're on your property" and "in some states" |
| 06:01.40 | purple_cow | like....colorado :P |
| 06:01.43 | numist | darth_mall: so buy a ranch in texas and invite some 'friends' over |
| 06:01.57 | numist | colorado works too, come to think of it, you dont have to go far for that either |
| 06:02.53 | purple_cow | hahahahaha |
| 06:03.01 | scanlime | zak: you can't change the backgrounds remotely, you can just send pictures :) |
| 06:03.27 | scanlime | zak: but don't waste money on those online cell picture thingies... mine will take regular jpegs and pngs |
| 06:03.30 | purple_cow | it cracks me up to see these kids who can do crazy flippey kicks and their punches look like a white belt |
| 06:03.39 | darth_mall | numist: I'm not sure it's legal if you invite them ;) |
| 06:03.50 | purple_cow | darth_mall: how will anyone know? ;) |
| 06:04.00 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:04.01 | numist | darth_mall: who's going to say? |
| 06:04.22 | darth_mall | well, if you ask me, it's pretty risky |
| 06:04.34 | darth_mall | I mean, they do more than just talk to people when they investigate a death |
| 06:04.38 | numist | well, the business is pretty risky |
| 06:04.50 | numist | indeed, you have to make sure its someone you dont know, and that they dont tell anyone |
| 06:04.53 | darth_mall | and if there are no signs of any trespassing, they might begin to suspect |
| 06:04.53 | purple_cow | why are we even still discussing this? :P |
| 06:05.04 | numist | well, you can always break your own window |
| 06:05.14 | numist | right, why _are_ we discussing this |
| 06:06.42 | darth_mall | well, I'm discussing it because misconceptions about use of force is one of my big pet peeves |
| 06:12.30 | zak | stupid space grant work and not being done |
| 06:13.20 | numist | great, the cse head is now someone I dont know.. so much for having that contact to help me back in |
| 06:13.44 | numist | phone, Im outta here |
| 06:13.51 | scanlime | zak: =( |
| 06:13.56 | scanlime | zak: what did you get stuck doing for space grant? |
| 06:25.24 | purple_cow | urk |
| 06:25.26 | purple_cow | http://www.christiantoday.com/news/culture/march.of.the.penguins.supporting.intelligent.design.theory/126.htm |
| 06:26.01 | darth_mall | purple_cow: hahahaha |
| 06:27.09 | darth_mall | penguins breed, therefore god exists |
| 06:27.49 | purple_cow | that's the same line of reasoning that the ID folks always use |
| 06:27.49 | darth_mall | ID? |
| 06:27.51 | purple_cow | intelligent design |
| 06:28.07 | darth_mall | oh, right |
| 06:29.54 | scanlime | you are entering an area adjacent to a location |
| 06:33.27 | laodamas | "To think that natural selection or even the penguins themselves could come up with the idea to migrate miles and miles multiple times each year without their partner or their offspring is a bit insulting to my intellect. How great is our God!" |
| 06:33.53 | scanlime | hehe |
| 06:34.12 | purple_cow | i don't think there's much intellect to insult |
| 06:35.25 | scanlime | voting isn't cool, so I stayed home alone and got trashed on listerine |
| 06:35.55 | numist | scanlime++ |
| 06:36.14 | numist | "I thought you wanted me to vote?" "yeah, but not for the turd sandwich!" |
| 06:36.30 | laodamas | Although after watching that film one questions the intelligence of birthing young at -150°F |
| 06:37.38 | laodamas | windchill adjusted |
| 06:37.59 | darth_mall | g'night kids |
| 06:41.51 | laodamas | hmmm. Rita will soon be promoted to level 4 status. |
| 06:42.05 | laodamas | And seems to be aiming for the astrodome |
| 06:42.57 | numist | theres someone in there that its tracking |
| 06:43.09 | numist | hit the 'X' key to scatter your men to avoid area damage ;) |
| 06:46.48 | laodamas | Only four more tropical storm names left before they start using greek ids |
| 06:50.00 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 06:53.32 | scanlime | whoa |
| 06:53.35 | scanlime | I don't know what I did.. |
| 06:53.43 | scanlime | but I have a nice big white "wasabi" on top of futurama now |
| 06:57.56 | purple_cow | :) |
| 07:09.40 | scanlime | oh, arr |
| 07:09.47 | scanlime | the soya renderer still thinks my screen is 0x0 |
| 07:10.02 | scanlime | normally I wouldn't care since the camera has the right viewport |
| 07:10.22 | scanlime | but it has to convert the viewport from SDL-style (0,0) at the top left coordinates to OpenGL style coordinates |
| 07:10.32 | scanlime | and without the right screen size that comes out all wrong |
| 07:15.14 | scanlime | mwahaha |
| 07:15.15 | scanlime | that's evil |
| 07:15.36 | scanlime | a normal soya.set_video() ends up dying with an SDL-related RuntimeError |
| 07:15.42 | scanlime | but it does so after setting the resolution |
| 07:16.02 | scanlime | so I can just ignore the exception and use that to trick soya into using an existing opengl viewport |
| 07:17.43 | purple_cow | awesome :D |
| 07:17.50 | purple_cow | commit! |
| 07:17.54 | nullpuppy | hahaha, friend bought the complete first season of fraggle rock! |
| 07:18.17 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8923 10python/glx-hijack/ (blue_spark.png geodesic.ttf): Data files.. svn being cranky again |
| 07:19.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8924 10python/glx-hijack/ (. overlay.py): |
| 07:19.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Woo, I have a particle system running on top of mplayer. This uses a gross hack |
| 07:19.39 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: to initialize soya, and it currently hardcodes a 1280x720 output resolution. If |
| 07:19.39 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: this turns out to be useful, it would be trivial to add a function to soya to do |
| 07:19.39 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: this cleanly. |
| 07:19.43 | scanlime | there ya go |
| 07:20.02 | scanlime | you'll want to change that resolution to yours, or the gl viewport will be funky |
| 07:20.11 | scanlime | and I think it still breaks if anything causes the mplayer OSD to show |
| 07:20.26 | scanlime | ooh, no.. the OSD works |
| 07:26.49 | purple_cow | scanlime: ok, that is the coolest thing ever |
| 07:27.03 | scanlime | it actually runs for you? |
| 07:27.07 | purple_cow | yep |
| 07:27.09 | scanlime | wow |
| 07:27.33 | purple_cow | sweet zombie jesus this rocks |
| 07:27.45 | scanlime | pudding is still doing odd things... |
| 07:27.52 | scanlime | I think its viewport or maybe its projection matrix is wrong |
| 07:28.01 | scanlime | the text is actually drawing way off the edge of the screen |
| 07:28.19 | scanlime | I'm going to have to do some of this in pyrex |
| 07:28.23 | purple_cow | you'll probably want to completely replace mplayer's matrices |
| 07:28.27 | scanlime | well |
| 07:28.31 | scanlime | the camera already does that |
| 07:28.37 | scanlime | but pudding doesn't render through the camera |
| 07:28.45 | scanlime | that's why the particles look fine but the text is screwy |
| 07:29.08 | scanlime | I might be able to just do the whole thing in pyrex... |
| 07:31.04 | scanlime | haha |
| 07:31.24 | scanlime | the blue particle circle was exactly centered around the little "chapter (2)" circle in kill bill |
| 07:35.51 | ChipX86 | House is excellent at making me twitch |
| 07:36.38 | scanlime | that's what it's designed for |
| 07:36.45 | ChipX86 | good show though |
| 07:36.50 | scanlime | oh |
| 07:36.51 | ChipX86 | so what'd you think of the hackfest? |
| 07:36.52 | scanlime | not house music :P |
| 07:36.55 | ChipX86 | nope :) |
| 07:37.22 | scanlime | not bad- was good to meet people. I didn't get much done, but pondered muchly, and got some neat stuff working right after I got home |
| 07:37.28 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 07:37.44 | scanlime | and pineapple + jalapeno is always good |
| 07:38.58 | scanlime | purple_cow: theoretically I bet you could hook lg3d into mplayer like this.. just imagine a JVM running in-process with mplayer! |
| 07:39.12 | purple_cow | owww |
| 07:39.20 | purple_cow | i think i'll just use the x11 integration they've already wrote :P |
| 07:39.27 | scanlime | hah |
| 07:39.35 | scanlime | does it do xv? |
| 07:39.46 | scanlime | 'cuz that might not be so horrible |
| 07:41.25 | purple_cow | it works a lot like Xgl |
| 07:42.01 | purple_cow | starts up a fake X server using damage, copies stuff into texture memory |
| 07:42.12 | purple_cow | err, not Xgl, luminocity |
| 07:42.34 | scanlime | hm. I'm kind of surprised it would use damage.. I'd think they would just hack up the X server a bit |
| 07:42.50 | scanlime | like Xvnc |
| 07:43.40 | purple_cow | it's easier to use damage :P |
| 07:43.52 | scanlime | yeah, but I thought it was older than damage |
| 07:44.11 | purple_cow | well, the latest stuff uses damage |
| 07:44.19 | scanlime | ah |
| 07:44.20 | purple_cow | easier to let x.org maintain the x server |
| 07:44.43 | ChipX86 | nah, you should fork xorg |
| 07:45.06 | purple_cow | we could fork it, then relicense to the xfree license! |
| 07:45.10 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 07:45.22 | scanlime | hmm |
| 07:45.43 | scanlime | I should fork xorg to give it a monkey bubble mode |
| 07:45.53 | scanlime | you could trigger it with ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 07:50.10 | ChipX86 | or control-alt-home! |
| 07:50.16 | scanlime | hehe |
| 07:50.23 | scanlime | I'm still curious what that's for |
| 07:50.34 | scanlime | or what it used to be for |
| 07:50.37 | ChipX86 | devel-only test feature |
| 07:50.45 | ChipX86 | make sure the mks can still trigger such things |
| 07:50.58 | scanlime | ah |
| 07:51.23 | scanlime | it boggles the mind just a tiny bit why mks should ever be allowed to present dialog boxes :P |
| 07:51.51 | scanlime | it wasn't a regular Msg_* thingy was it? |
| 07:52.16 | scanlime | maybe I'm just not used to seeing them with custom choices |
| 07:53.03 | ChipX86 | Msg_* can have two choices |
| 07:53.15 | ChipX86 | one of my upcoming massochistic tasks will be to extend that API |
| 07:53.24 | scanlime | purple_cow: running the UI in mplayer like this is going to leave some interesting design choices for the rest of the UI... do we leave mplayer running all the time and provide some way of commanding it to change movies and such? I assume that's what bmovl2 does |
| 07:53.32 | scanlime | ChipX86: fun :P |
| 07:53.32 | ChipX86 | reminds me of one of my very first projects at VMware |
| 07:53.57 | ChipX86 | taking a C API that was used everywhere, VmDlg_*, and making it wrap the C++ dialog classes |
| 07:54.24 | purple_cow | scanlime: that's what mebox does. bmovl2 doesn't care |
| 07:54.33 | scanlime | it offends me just a bit that dialog boxes can come from pretty much anywhere like they do :P |
| 07:54.34 | purple_cow | it's certainly the reason bmovl2 was written |
| 07:54.58 | purple_cow | i don't think it really makes a whole lot of sense to do everything in mplayer, since there are other things better suited for other tasks |
| 07:55.06 | scanlime | purple_cow: nod. So I guess one choice is having everything live inside mplayer, and the other is using this only for UI that's displayed while a movie is running, and having IPC between this and the rest of the program |
| 07:55.13 | purple_cow | xine for dvds, etc |
| 07:55.17 | scanlime | yes |
| 07:55.23 | purple_cow | hmm...... |
| 07:55.27 | purple_cow | zsnes in opengl mode? |
| 07:55.29 | ChipX86 | "Is it still illegal to perform an autopsy on a living person?" |
| 07:55.33 | scanlime | purple_cow: =D |
| 07:55.36 | scanlime | I need to try that |
| 07:56.05 | scanlime | purple_cow: if this is sufficiently resistent to OpenGL state funkiness, it should be possible to make it run unmodified on many such opengl apps |
| 07:56.33 | scanlime | I doubt it will ever work on more complicated apps without some really overdone state tracking, but mplayer/xine/zsnes should all be real simple |
| 07:57.34 | scanlime | one alternative to drawing on top of course is to just stub out most of the OpenGL calls the app would be making, letting it dump data into a texture, then just drawing that texture ourselves- but even just with mplayer things get complicated when OSDs and video aspect ratios are involved |
| 07:57.59 | scanlime | so I like the idea of just drawing an overlay, as uninvasively as possible |
| 07:59.00 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 07:59.10 | purple_cow | alternatively, you could just push *complete* state info ;-) |
| 07:59.16 | purple_cow | performance, here we come! |
| 07:59.21 | scanlime | is that even possible? |
| 07:59.32 | purple_cow | sure, it's just a lot of code and not very fast |
| 08:00.05 | scanlime | and it'd be easy to miss something |
| 08:00.13 | purple_cow | whereby "not very fast" i mean "contains an unbelievable number of state resets" |
| 08:00.17 | scanlime | :) |
| 08:00.18 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 08:00.28 | purple_cow | and we all know how speedy opengl state resets are |
| 08:00.47 | scanlime | we could just switch opengl contexts! |
| 08:00.52 | purple_cow | heh |
| 08:02.01 | purple_cow | certainly with apps that just draw textured quads, it's no issue |
| 08:02.12 | scanlime | nod |
| 08:02.22 | scanlime | the most complex thing I've seen mplayer do is set blending modes |
| 08:02.23 | purple_cow | only state you probably need to worry about is lighting |
| 08:02.32 | purple_cow | ah, and blending ;) |
| 08:02.37 | scanlime | and matrices |
| 08:02.39 | scanlime | yay clean |
| 08:02.48 | purple_cow | well yeah, but matrices are a stack so it's easy |
| 08:02.55 | scanlime | nod |
| 08:08.14 | ChipX86 | now they're drilling into a temporarily dead 9-year-old's skull |
| 08:10.01 | scanlime | FOX special, worlds funniest autopsies caught on tape 3? |
| 08:10.09 | ChipX86 | nope, House |
| 08:10.45 | SecretMethod70 | House rocks |
| 08:10.46 | ChipX86 | the only doctors show I've ever liked |
| 08:10.49 | SecretMethod70 | tonight's episode was great |
| 08:10.54 | SecretMethod70 | one of the best so far |
| 08:10.55 | ChipX86 | they do things that make me cringe |
| 08:10.58 | SecretMethod70 | hehe |
| 08:10.58 | ChipX86 | SecretMethod70: yeah |
| 08:11.00 | ChipX86 | not over yet though |
| 08:11.03 | ChipX86 | don't tell me the ending :) |
| 08:11.05 | scanlime | oh, it's that guy |
| 08:11.17 | scanlime | I think I've seen part of an episode of that |
| 08:11.20 | SecretMethod70 | the scene where House teases Chase about kissing the girl...classic |
| 08:11.22 | ChipX86 | things like sticking a needle in a patient's eye while they're awake and medicated |
| 08:11.26 | ChipX86 | SecretMethod70: yeah :) |
| 08:11.30 | SecretMethod70 | THAT one freaked me out! |
| 08:11.32 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:11.36 | ChipX86 | that was hard to watch |
| 08:11.42 | ChipX86 | especially the way the eye moved with the needle... |
| 08:11.49 | SecretMethod70 | *cringe* |
| 08:12.03 | ChipX86 | and the pupil kind of came up for a second.. |
| 08:12.12 | SecretMethod70 | ok, that's enough ;) |
| 08:12.27 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:12.57 | scanlime | what channel is that on? |
| 08:13.00 | ChipX86 | fox |
| 08:13.08 | ChipX86 | it's not on right now. It's on my tivo |
| 08:13.13 | scanlime | ah |
| 08:13.23 | scanlime | somehow I did end up with a TV that has a tuner :) |
| 08:13.28 | scanlime | I just don't have anything to plug into it |
| 08:17.24 | ChipX86 | SecretMethod70: good episode :) |
| 08:17.30 | SecretMethod70 | yup |
| 08:17.33 | SecretMethod70 | over yet? |
| 08:17.46 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:17.53 | SecretMethod70 | love House on the motorcycle at the end |
| 08:17.57 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 08:18.09 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@61.49.238.96) |
| 08:18.11 | SecretMethod70 | get the feeling he's sort of breaking down a bit |
| 08:18.37 | ChipX86 | yeah really |
| 08:18.47 | SecretMethod70 | scanlime: thanks for reminding me :P |
| 08:19.04 | SecretMethod70 | TV show DVDs are too expensive, so I just download all the episodes of shows I like |
| 08:19.07 | SecretMethod70 | wait a minute |
| 08:19.11 | SecretMethod70 | scanliMe? |
| 08:19.24 | ChipX86 | scanline's evil uncle |
| 08:19.28 | SecretMethod70 | hehe |
| 08:19.32 | scanlime | cable is too expensive, I just download the shows I want to watch then get DVDs of the ones I actually care about enough to pay for |
| 08:19.38 | SecretMethod70 | haha |
| 08:19.45 | scanlime | DVD quality is also nice... |
| 08:19.59 | SecretMethod70 | I'd buy the DVDs if it weren't like 60 bucks a season :( |
| 08:19.59 | scanlime | DVD rips don't look like DVDs any more all of a sudden |
| 08:20.02 | scanlime | eww |
| 08:20.06 | SecretMethod70 | yeah tell me about it |
| 08:20.20 | SecretMethod70 | are seasons cheaper? |
| 08:20.37 | SecretMethod70 | I haven't seriously looked into DVDs of tv shows except star trek which is REALLY expensive |
| 08:20.43 | scanlime | it varies |
| 08:20.51 | scanlime | firefly was more like $25... |
| 08:20.57 | scanlime | but it goes way up and down |
| 08:20.59 | SecretMethod70 | that's cause it was cancelled ;) |
| 08:21.08 | scanlime | pfff |
| 08:21.13 | SecretMethod70 | House, season 1: $41.99 on amazon.com |
| 08:21.21 | SecretMethod70 | still to expensive for someone with 80k in college debt ;) |
| 08:21.22 | scanlime | so.. buy two copies of firefly instead! |
| 08:21.33 | scanlime | yow. how'd you manage 80k? |
| 08:21.50 | SecretMethod70 | private school...came here cause it's one of the best for vocal performance |
| 08:21.57 | SecretMethod70 | then I changed my major in my junior year. |
| 08:21.57 | scanlime | ah, neat |
| 08:21.58 | SecretMethod70 | oops. |
| 08:22.00 | scanlime | :P |
| 08:22.02 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:22.20 | scanlime | hmm |
| 08:22.25 | scanlime | I haven't watched this in a while |
| 08:22.40 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:22.46 | scanlime | and volume 1 was really a lot better |
| 08:23.01 | ChipX86 | the music or the movie? |
| 08:23.10 | scanlime | the movie |
| 08:23.25 | purple_cow | well, the two movies are completely different |
| 08:23.27 | scanlime | I haven't watched vol 2 recently, can't remember whether I liked the music better or not |
| 08:23.29 | scanlime | purple_cow: yes |
| 08:23.42 | purple_cow | volume 1 is just blood spattering about, and volume 2 is about david carradine being a good actor |
| 08:24.15 | ChipX86 | I need to watch Sin City again |
| 08:24.16 | scanlime | volume 1 also makes fun of anime a lot :) |
| 08:24.21 | purple_cow | which i'm fine with, especially since he's a lot less ugly than he used to be |
| 08:26.05 | purple_cow | best part of 1 was how she just took the sword on the plane |
| 08:26.13 | scanlime | hehe |
| 08:26.43 | scanlime | hmm.. I've been watching this whole movie with half a "wasabi" in the corner and a distracting spinny-widget in the middle :P |
| 08:26.54 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:35.14 | ChipX86 | it got late |
| 08:36.09 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 07src * r233 10taco-python/ (15 files in 5 dirs): Nuke the old C# files. |
| 08:36.57 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 07src * r234 10taco-python/taco/ (. thingies/ ui/): Ignore some stuff. |
| 08:37.22 | scanlime | :) |
| 08:37.51 | scanlime | I'm glad you're finally giving python a try, despite it's oddball indentation rules ;) |
| 08:38.18 | ChipX86 | it's that combined with a lack of familiarity with the entire langugae.. I've never really had anything to get into it heavily |
| 08:38.24 | scanlime | once you understand the basic principles python operates under, it's such an easy language to do pretty much anything with |
| 08:38.46 | ChipX86 | oh god.. |
| 08:38.48 | ChipX86 | http://www.christiantoday.com/news/culture/march.of.the.penguins.supporting.intelligent.design.theory/126.htm |
| 08:38.56 | ChipX86 | Christian conservatives have claimed that March of the Penguins, the documentary of emperor penguins by Luc Jacquet, is a film that support Intelligent Design. |
| 08:39.39 | scanlime | heh |
| 08:40.19 | ChipX86 | In an unusual publishing move, Tom Wolfe's most-recent novel, I Am Charlotte Simmons, will be printed without the title on the cover of its paperback edition - just its author's name in giant letters. |
| 08:41.07 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 08:41.14 | purple_cow | quentin tarentino is so hilarious |
| 08:42.59 | scanlime | yup |
| 08:46.09 | scanlime | damn I love the sound effects in these fight scenes |
| 08:48.15 | ChipX86 | is it more common for classes to just provide public variables to modify, or to use get functions? |
| 08:48.36 | purple_cow | there's no such thing as a private member in python |
| 08:48.43 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 08:48.52 | purple_cow | by convention, anything that doesn't start with an underscore is considered public |
| 08:49.19 | ChipX86 | if I have a base class and I want an abstract name that implementations have to provide, I have to do a function, right? |
| 08:49.29 | ChipX86 | there's no concept of abstract variables I'd assume |
| 08:49.36 | scanlime | ChipX86: if something semantically works like a variable, make it a variable- you can always turn it into a property later if you need getter/setter code |
| 08:50.14 | scanlime | abstract base classes are also mostly convention- I usually define the variables as None and all the functions just raise NotImplementedError |
| 08:50.18 | purple_cow | does any language have abstract variables? |
| 08:50.20 | scanlime | then they have docstrings explaining the interface |
| 08:50.27 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: not that I know of, but I was just wondering |
| 08:50.30 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ok |
| 08:51.12 | scanlime | ChipX86: but keep in mind that abstract base classes of that form are mostly for documentation purposes- if you want a real concept of interfaces, there are separate modules that will give you that |
| 08:51.25 | scanlime | if you just want a bunch of classes that all have a foo() method, there's no need to use base classes |
| 08:51.42 | scanlime | a good design cue is to look at how python handles files |
| 08:51.51 | scanlime | there's no abstract file base class |
| 08:52.01 | scanlime | something is "file-like" if it has common methods like read(), write(), etc |
| 08:52.17 | scanlime | a lot of functions operate on file-like objects without caring what that object actually is or how it's implemented |
| 08:53.20 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 08:55.34 | scanlime | it's just kind of hard to start thinking in a pythonic frame of mind until you've started playing with the object model and writing some code |
| 08:55.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:55.50 | scanlime | you eventually realize you can do all these things that never even occurred to you in other languages |
| 08:55.53 | ChipX86 | a lot of this will be very experimental |
| 08:56.25 | scanlime | a lot of the documentation refers to 'object protocols' |
| 08:56.43 | scanlime | both internally and in your own code, you expect objects to provide various interfaces |
| 08:57.06 | scanlime | something that looks like a list will have append(), sequences have a __getitem__, etc |
| 08:57.35 | scanlime | there are some really amazing implications to this, like the iterator protocol |
| 08:58.08 | scanlime | objects that implement __iter__ properly can just be used in for loops like normal lists, but each item is generated as it's iterated |
| 08:58.57 | scanlime | iterators and generators are lots of fun |
| 08:59.53 | ChipX86 | hmm, my python code sure is smaller than my C# code |
| 08:59.58 | scanlime | :) |
| 09:00.36 | purple_cow | ChipX86: keep in mind that you don't have to understand all this stuff scanlime is blathering on about. darth_mall & i were talking just the other day about how we don't know half the python scanlime does, yet we do ok ;) |
| 09:00.39 | scanlime | I love python's indentation style... I've found that being able to add classes with only 3 lines or so of overhead is a great encouragement to come up with designs that involve a lot of very simple collaborating classes |
| 09:00.47 | scanlime | hehe |
| 09:00.50 | scanlime | yes, don't listen to me :) |
| 09:00.58 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 09:01.02 | ChipX86 | I'll get the hang of it |
| 09:01.06 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 09:01.15 | ChipX86 | you like thinking about most things at a lower level than is healthy |
| 09:01.22 | scanlime | true |
| 09:02.08 | ChipX86 | is there any kind of built-in signal/slots? |
| 09:02.19 | scanlime | no, but they're trivial to implement |
| 09:02.41 | scanlime | for a really overkill and somewhat insane implementation, ask me about Event() ;) |
| 09:02.59 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 09:02.59 | purple_cow | :D |
| 09:04.14 | scanlime | hmm, she isn't the only one with a sword on the plane |
| 09:04.20 | scanlime | while she's making the list |
| 09:04.51 | scanlime | in the foreground a very sword-like object seems to be across the aisle from her |
| 09:05.09 | purple_cow | hmm. i never considered how weird a statement that is |
| 09:05.30 | scanlime | hm? |
| 09:05.37 | purple_cow | "keep my eyes out" |
| 09:05.41 | scanlime | ah, yes... |
| 09:06.16 | ChipX86 | uh oh, sleep |
| 09:06.32 | purple_cow | mmm wax |
| 09:06.35 | scanlime | otherwise I'm going to test this code on zsnes, which I know means staying up another couple hours tweaking it :P |
| 09:06.44 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 09:06.45 | purple_cow | do it! |
| 09:06.49 | scanlime | tomorrow |
| 09:22.38 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r235 10/branches/taco-python/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Port some classes from the original taco. Set up some simple drawing. Yay! I should not be up. |
| 09:22.59 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 09:23.13 | ChipX86 | I jsut got an e-mail from a bunch of @nokia.com addresses |
| 09:23.30 | ChipX86 | "Are you planning on making it over to the Boston GNOME summit ? We've been doing some bits with Galago and would be good to chat to you in person there..." |
| 09:24.08 | purple_cow | :) |
| 09:24.29 | ChipX86 | I should do galago work at some point :P |
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| 09:48.12 | purple_cow | whoa, wtf |
| 09:48.19 | purple_cow | the fuse just *popped out* of my amp |
| 09:48.30 | purple_cow | not blown, just physically ejected |
| 09:50.16 | purple_cow | i don't think i've ever seen anything like that |
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| 13:50.21 | lurgy | hmm, metacity plays nicer with composite now |
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| 14:32.03 | lalo | sigh... emerge sync doesn't seem to work anymore |
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| 14:49.34 | lurgy_ | umm.. |
| 14:49.37 | lurgy_ | http://www.rageboy.com/0.42.html |
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| 15:18.37 | Cae | ahh, hurricane evacuations.. |
| 15:20.55 | file | the people in the Florida office keep calling me boss, makes me feel... old... and evil |
| 15:21.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:21.24 | Cae | well, Rita looks to be heading for Houston |
| 15:21.33 | Cae | which is where my parents, dog, and horse live. |
| 15:22.02 | Cae | so my horse is probably being evacuated. and the parents & dog haven't decided what to do yet |
| 15:22.10 | prpplague | Cae: evacuations seem kinda funny as when you live on an island where are you gonna exacuate to? |
| 15:22.42 | Cae | prpplague: well, Houston is not an island. Galveston is. and they're used to evacuating. |
| 15:23.20 | Cae | they shut down the inbound side of the bridge that goes to Galveston, so people can only leave. |
| 15:23.34 | Cae | I think a mandatory evac happens for them later today |
| 15:23.48 | Cae | people were going down yesterday and today to board up beach houses and such |
| 15:24.02 | Cae | the back side of the island is also graded, to help water leave |
| 15:24.13 | prpplague | Cae: hehe yea i'm familiar with it, i'm just saying, its different |
| 15:24.16 | Cae | Galveston's used to getting pounded |
| 15:24.22 | prpplague | Cae: yea |
| 15:24.49 | Cae | well, a fair amount of Galveston is somewhat transient - beach houses and such. the rest is tourist trade and permanent residents, and, well, they're used to it. most of the houses are on stilts. |
| 15:25.31 | prpplague | Cae: hehe, i'm familiar with gavlvestion, hehe |
| 15:25.52 | Cae | heathen :P |
| 15:26.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:26.39 | file | prpplague lives on that there Barbados island |
| 15:27.00 | kergoth`zzz | ugh |
| 15:27.03 | kergoth`zzz | overslept |
| 15:27.09 | Cae | heh |
| 15:27.44 | Cae | prpplague: what part of Texas? |
| 15:27.45 | file | kergoth: I have a feeling today is going to be like Monday and Tuesday |
| 15:28.12 | Cae | well, if Rita hits Houston as a cat 5, we may get 100mph winds here. |
| 15:28.20 | Cae | ie if the eye enters houston |
| 15:32.23 | prpplague | Cae: tyler the most |
| 15:32.54 | prpplague | Cae: but i've lived in dfw, austin, houston, and corpus |
| 15:34.11 | Cae | hm |
| 15:35.35 | kergoth | yay, my new cell arrives tomorrow |
| 15:36.31 | file | woot |
| 15:41.21 | Cae | okay... |
| 15:41.25 | Cae | I fucking hate printers |
| 15:54.10 | Cae | good printer.. *hug* |
| 15:54.19 | file | it might electrocute you |
| 15:55.05 | Cae | yeah... |
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| 16:32.48 | darth_mall | hahaha! |
| 16:32.55 | darth_mall | great reference to Dr. Who in 8-bit |
| 16:34.27 | numist | morning chippy |
| 16:34.32 | numist | lil early for you, isnt it? |
| 16:34.40 | scanlime | mornin' |
| 16:35.07 | ChipX86 | numist: nope |
| 16:35.08 | ChipX86 | morning |
| 16:35.13 | ChipX86 | yay, Ross Burton sent me more galago patches |
| 16:45.21 | ChipX86 | phew, I thought I had a test stopper |
| 16:47.21 | ChipX86 | <alex> yay, i'm sick |
| 16:47.27 | ChipX86 | <christian> :( what symptoms? |
| 16:47.32 | darth_mall | yay! |
| 16:47.34 | ChipX86 | <alex> well, i seem to have grown feathers all over my body |
| 16:47.45 | kergoth | i hate it when that happens |
| 16:51.00 | ChipX86 | these characters on my poptart worry me |
| 16:51.04 | ChipX86 | and they remind me of Rejected |
| 16:52.02 | kergoth | there are characters on your poptart? |
| 16:52.07 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 16:52.12 | ChipX86 | they look worried |
| 16:52.15 | ChipX86 | well, on my wrapper |
| 16:52.18 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 16:52.26 | kergoth | i'd be worried to if i was on something edible |
| 16:52.28 | file | ChipX86: right... |
| 16:52.28 | kergoth | s/to/too/ |
| 16:52.46 | ChipX86 | http://www.poptarts.com/promotions/poptarts/yummy.html |
| 16:52.46 | darth_mall | and if you weren't wearing any pants? |
| 16:53.07 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:53.11 | file | they look disturbed |
| 16:53.16 | kergoth | do you feel guilty after eating them? |
| 16:53.19 | file | maybe they're afraid of being eaten |
| 16:53.23 | ChipX86 | they're walking along my poptart wrapper |
| 16:53.28 | file | ooh chocolate chip cookie dough! |
| 16:53.35 | ChipX86 | with an, "Oh no, I'm going to run into a wall!" expression |
| 16:53.46 | file | strawberry milkshake? when did they come up with these flavors... where have I been |
| 16:53.56 | ChipX86 | you've never seen those before? |
| 16:53.59 | ChipX86 | where *have* you been? |
| 16:54.00 | file | nope, never |
| 16:54.01 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 16:54.03 | ChipX86 | on the poptarts |
| 16:54.04 | ChipX86 | yeah, who knows |
| 16:54.19 | file | we don't really have poptarts commercials here often |
| 16:54.26 | file | and I don't look at them when grocery shopping |
| 16:54.47 | ChipX86 | if it weren't for poptarts, I don't think I'd be where I am in life |
| 16:55.09 | file | these can't be healthy |
| 16:55.35 | ChipX86 | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-arch-users/2005-09/msg00152.html |
| 16:55.41 | ChipX86 | file: of course they're healthy! |
| 16:55.45 | ChipX86 | it has bread and it has fruit |
| 16:56.07 | file | uh huh |
| 16:56.22 | ChipX86 | the little guy is looking at me. It's freaking me out. |
| 16:59.08 | ChipX86 | gah |
| 16:59.11 | ChipX86 | Rita is a category 4 hurricane now |
| 16:59.15 | ChipX86 | it was 2 yesterday |
| 17:00.47 | numist | shes a doozy |
| 17:00.55 | numist | lilo is moving his trailer |
| 17:01.01 | numist | although he noticed as I was typing it |
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| 17:06.42 | numist | John is logged on to aim... |
| 17:09.56 | ChipX86 | numist: :/ |
| 17:09.57 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 17:10.10 | ChipX86 | I remember when this one guy died but he was still logged onto irc |
| 17:10.15 | numist | yeah |
| 17:10.16 | ChipX86 | nobody knew what to do with that |
| 17:10.27 | ChipX86 | leaving him there was creepy, kicking him seemed wrong |
| 17:10.34 | numist | killing seemed awful |
| 17:11.12 | ChipX86 | heading into work |
| 17:12.59 | nullpuppy | who's John? |
| 17:13.53 | numist | nullpuppy: John Hall - overcode, pilot, coder, friend |
| 17:14.00 | nullpuppy | oh, him |
| 17:14.03 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 17:14.04 | numist | I have to go help some friends get out of some dosh. Ill be back later |
| 17:14.20 | nullpuppy | tis early, didn't connect the two... |
| 17:14.24 | nullpuppy | alright, see ya |
| 17:27.12 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 17:27.14 | darth_mall | I glanced in the classroom and the TA was going over public, protected, and private variables |
| 17:29.32 | darth_mall | this is going to be very boring |
| 17:31.18 | darth_mall | oh my god |
| 17:31.35 | darth_mall | how do people get to junior year of CS and not understand inheritance |
| 17:32.34 | prpplague | darth_mall: hehe |
| 17:32.37 | *** topic/#tacobeam by darth_mall -> http://www.brokentoys.org/?p=6849 |
| 17:32.58 | darth_mall | and Ashvin is sitting here teaching half the class ^^ |
| 17:34.29 | darth_mall | bah |
| 17:34.32 | darth_mall | I can't even see the board |
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| 17:48.50 | darth_mall | yay! now we're learning about overloading |
| 17:49.27 | darth_mall | because, you know this hasn't been covered in about 10 other classes |
| 17:49.50 | darth_mall | eek! he's talking about interfaces! something semi-new |
| 17:49.57 | darth_mall | at least, less old than everything else |
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| 18:02.09 | ChipX86 | hey Cae |
| 18:02.14 | ChipX86 | we need a hackergotchi from you |
| 18:02.30 | prpplague | scanlime: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/EzUsb |
| 18:02.35 | Cae | eh? |
| 18:02.39 | Cae | a what? |
| 18:02.39 | ChipX86 | for planet.tacobeam.com |
| 18:02.41 | ChipX86 | you need a floating head |
| 18:02.44 | ChipX86 | so that you can have a pirate hat |
| 18:02.45 | Cae | oh |
| 18:02.48 | Cae | nah |
| 18:02.52 | prpplague | scanlime: if you have any additional devices to add just let me know (or edit the page yourself) |
| 18:03.22 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/photos/christian/yarr-chippy-the-pirate.jpg <-- yarr |
| 18:04.23 | prpplague | if anyone knows of ez-usb based devices that aren't listed, please drop me a line and let me know |
| 18:08.50 | nullpuppy | how does one make a floating head btw? |
| 18:09.07 | darth_mall | ritual sacrifice |
| 18:09.25 | darth_mall | I think it also involves the gimp |
| 18:10.26 | nullpuppy | i see |
| 18:10.31 | nullpuppy | arg |
| 18:10.48 | ChipX86 | numist: you find a pic of yourself, keep it at that size, cut out the big areas around it, then start cutting out the smaller, and then eventually you can do a fine erase around the whole thing |
| 18:10.49 | kergoth | mm, wendy's chili |
| 18:10.53 | ChipX86 | then when you scale it down, it should look generally fin |
| 18:10.53 | ChipX86 | e |
| 18:10.57 | ChipX86 | it's not alwasy that simple |
| 18:12.16 | scanlime | darth_mall: some people graduate CS and dont' understand inheritance :P |
| 18:12.27 | scanlime | ChipX86: you missed the presentation :( |
| 18:12.29 | ChipX86 | *cough* Qt *cough* |
| 18:12.31 | ChipX86 | scanlime: aww, which? |
| 18:12.35 | prpplague | nullpuppy: http://www.webtender.com/db/drink/5335 sometimes also called "floating head" depending on how much ice you add |
| 18:12.35 | scanlime | nitrogen |
| 18:12.40 | ChipX86 | ohhhh |
| 18:12.42 | ChipX86 | woops |
| 18:12.54 | scanlime | they're doing another one later this week in hillview |
| 18:12.57 | darth_mall | scanlime: it makes me want to murder them all |
| 18:13.03 | scanlime | darth_mall: good luck |
| 18:13.10 | scanlime | darth_mall: there are so many of them, and murdering is hard work |
| 18:13.20 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ok |
| 18:13.23 | ChipX86 | I hate 10:00 meetings |
| 18:13.27 | darth_mall | murdering is easy with the right tools |
| 18:13.46 | ChipX86 | :( python is growing on me.. |
| 18:13.47 | scanlime | yeah. I didn't even remember it was today.. I was in there just before 10:00 getting some cereal and there was a projector being set up |
| 18:13.52 | scanlime | I check my email and notice the presentation |
| 18:13.58 | ChipX86 | it's hard to stay hateful for a language that's just so clean |
| 18:14.02 | scanlime | ChipX86: yay! |
| 18:14.03 | kergoth | yay, python |
| 18:14.15 | darth_mall | ChipX86: it is cool like that |
| 18:14.30 | ChipX86 | my long C# classes fit on one screen in python |
| 18:14.38 | darth_mall | quirks like periodically having to bathe it in coconut oil? |
| 18:14.41 | ChipX86 | they're so small I almost don't want to give them their own file |
| 18:14.51 | scanlime | yup. I love python's module/package system |
| 18:15.24 | scanlime | darth_mall: quirks like the completely boneheaded unsigned integer madness that python 2.4 caused |
| 18:15.39 | scanlime | darth_mall: it was done for a very good reason, but it's still a pain... |
| 18:16.21 | scanlime | I guess most of my problems with python are things they're already in the process of fixing |
| 18:16.32 | scanlime | thank goodness for __future__ |
| 18:16.51 | scanlime | it's python's way of gradually introducing a feature |
| 18:16.58 | scanlime | take generators for example |
| 18:17.03 | darth_mall | no no, I've encountered __future__ ^^ |
| 18:17.07 | scanlime | ah |
| 18:17.11 | darth_mall | I was talking about the unsigned integer madness ^^ |
| 18:17.15 | scanlime | oh |
| 18:17.23 | scanlime | in python 2.3, 0x80000000 was a negative integer |
| 18:17.31 | scanlime | in python 2.4, it's a positive long integer |
| 18:17.42 | scanlime | that by itself makes perfect sense- they fixed a limitation in hex constants |
| 18:17.45 | ChipX86 | in python 2.5, it's a boolean value? |
| 18:17.54 | darth_mall | so, does python actually support inline ifs? as in x = 3 if testme() else 4 |
| 18:17.55 | scanlime | however, it really sucks when you try to pass it to a C function that expects an unsigned integer |
| 18:18.08 | scanlime | no |
| 18:18.13 | darth_mall | I didn't think so |
| 18:18.26 | darth_mall | I've seen it in mailing lists, but the interpreter doesn't like it |
| 18:18.31 | darth_mall | wasn't sure if it was in __future__ or not |
| 18:18.36 | scanlime | well, there are tricks for doing things like that |
| 18:18.44 | scanlime | you can do (4, 3)[testme()] |
| 18:18.53 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 18:19.03 | scanlime | or I think (testme() and 3) or 3 |
| 18:19.10 | scanlime | s/or 3/or 4/ |
| 18:19.24 | scanlime | that's wise |
| 18:19.35 | prpplague | scanlime: http://www.dtvhacking.info/ |
| 18:19.36 | scanlime | guido has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want a ?: operator in python |
| 18:19.38 | darth_mall | doing some of these assignments in one line would be nice, but those are a little cryptic |
| 18:20.03 | scanlime | what are you doing exactly? you can probably refactor it somehow |
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| 18:21.14 | darth_mall | heh... actually, I have refactored it ^^ |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | hehe, we use those tricks in OE |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | for a while we only supported inline python in a single line |
| 18:21.14 | scanlime | ew |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | yeah.. |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | it was ugly |
| 18:21.24 | kergoth | couldnt you also do a rudamentary trinary via 'and' and 'or'? |
| 18:21.34 | kergoth | havent used python in a while |
| 18:22.20 | scanlime | kergoth: that's what I just did... |
| 18:22.26 | scanlime | 14:18 < scanlime> you can do (4, 3)[testme()] |
| 18:22.27 | scanlime | 14:18 < darth_mall> hehe |
| 18:22.27 | scanlime | 14:19 < scanlime> or I think (testme() and 3) or 3 |
| 18:22.27 | scanlime | 14:19 < scanlime> s/or 3/or 4/ |
| 18:22.34 | kergoth | oh, right |
| 18:22.38 | kergoth | helps if i read all the backlog |
| 18:22.54 | scanlime | s/trinary/ternary/ |
| 18:23.01 | kergoth | yeah, that :) |
| 18:23.02 | scanlime | it has three arguments, not three states :P |
| 18:23.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:23.28 | darth_mall | it could have three arguments and three states giving it... 9 argumates! |
| 18:23.34 | kergoth | ooh, argumates |
| 18:23.38 | darth_mall | </fighter> |
| 18:23.39 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 18:23.46 | kergoth | is that what you call your wife? |
| 18:23.56 | darth_mall | <insert rim shot> |
| 18:23.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:25.43 | ChipX86 | yay for intern code |
| 18:25.46 | ChipX86 | *grumble* |
| 18:25.59 | ChipX86 | Side effects: Calls <certain function name> |
| 18:26.04 | ChipX86 | that's not a side effect |
| 18:26.14 | ChipX86 | and it's far from being the only function called |
| 18:26.15 | kergoth | Subject: BerliOS Developer Project Denied |
| 18:26.15 | kergoth | Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:12:49 +0200 (CEST) (02:12 CDT) |
| 18:26.15 | kergoth | Due to resource limitations we cannot support more games or game frameworks. |
| 18:26.15 | kergoth | The BerliOS Crew |
| 18:26.19 | kergoth | huh |
| 18:26.33 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 18:26.39 | ChipX86 | what's this for? |
| 18:26.59 | slimspace | purple_cow: poke |
| 18:27.05 | kergoth | ChipX86: i was registering a project so some wow developers could use svn for their code |
| 18:27.18 | kergoth | but there are other free svn services, ended up using opensvn |
| 18:27.24 | ChipX86 | could host that on the linode |
| 18:27.46 | kergoth | thats true. already got opensvn setup though. they provide 'trac' for every project :) |
| 18:27.49 | kergoth | which is kinda cool |
| 18:27.57 | ChipX86 | nic |
| 18:27.57 | ChipX86 | e |
| 18:28.34 | Cae | umph |
| 18:28.53 | kergoth | umph? |
| 18:29.05 | Cae | umph. |
| 18:29.10 | kergoth | okay then |
| 18:29.18 | Cae | hehe |
| 18:29.30 | numist | it was his mom |
| 18:29.36 | ChipX86 | numist: goo |
| 18:29.37 | ChipX86 | d |
| 18:29.40 | numist | yep |
| 18:29.42 | ChipX86 | I'm hitting enter too fast |
| 18:29.47 | kergoth | goo! |
| 18:29.53 | nullpuppy | or not fast enough! |
| 18:29.53 | numist | I sent a msg and got a reply while I was on the road and afk |
| 18:34.01 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_calls.h gemini_progress.c gemini_utils.c): Master commit to keep in sync |
| 18:37.43 | ChipX86 | so despite thinking I had a work-around for the laptop issues last night, it did its dying thing again while I was asleep |
| 18:37.51 | kergoth | :( |
| 18:43.17 | numist | :( |
| 18:43.17 | pagefault | do a little dance |
| 18:43.29 | numist | shake a recently-dead chicken in front of it while chanting? |
| 18:43.39 | numist | no wait, that only works on windows boxes |
| 18:43.47 | pagefault | you come get the voodo |
| 18:43.53 | pagefault | err |
| 18:43.53 | pagefault | voodoo |
| 18:44.01 | numist | the voodoo who do what you dont dare to do |
| 18:45.18 | ChipX86 | I'm using those crappy headphones that come with devices now. They leak noise so bad :( |
| 18:45.34 | ChipX86 | there's also no indication of which is the left and right channel |
| 18:46.02 | ChipX86 | I accidentally dropped the stupid rio 4 feet onto the sidewalk and nothing happened to it :( |
| 18:46.27 | numist | 'accidentally'? |
| 18:46.46 | numist | you know... now that its only half broken, it sounds rather robust |
| 18:47.24 | scanlime | awww |
| 18:47.32 | scanlime | a customer is hitting an ASSERT() I wrote |
| 18:47.41 | ChipX86 | numist: it is :P |
| 18:47.46 | ChipX86 | scanlime: uh oh |
| 18:47.53 | ChipX86 | they fire people for that! |
| 18:47.57 | scanlime | hehe |
| 18:47.57 | numist | scanlime: already? |
| 18:48.12 | ChipX86 | it's all fun and games here, but if one of your bugs goes public, time to find a new job |
| 18:48.20 | scanlime | =( |
| 18:48.22 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 18:48.26 | ChipX86 | which is why all my bugs are features |
| 18:48.32 | numist | :P |
| 18:48.34 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 18:48.36 | numist | must be nice working on the UI |
| 18:49.01 | ChipX86 | clicking the Update button causes the program to close? That's a feature! We added a hidden Exit button! |
| 18:49.15 | scanlime | hehe |
| 18:49.46 | numist | psh |
| 18:49.59 | scanlime | mmm salad |
| 18:50.16 | nullpuppy | *work |
| 18:50.24 | ChipX86 | want to meet kendrick, paul, T`2 and I for lunch? |
| 18:50.45 | scanlime | ah.. it's wednesday. I'm already munching on the free salad |
| 18:51.05 | ChipX86 | how is it today? |
| 18:51.21 | numist | hrm, I havent eaten.. |
| 18:51.30 | scanlime | it isn't soggy yet :) |
| 18:51.30 | ChipX86 | good |
| 18:51.32 | ChipX86 | sometimes it's crappy |
| 18:53.18 | scanlime | hm |
| 18:53.26 | scanlime | I have the VMX log, but no crash dump |
| 18:53.41 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:53.48 | ChipX86 | that's okay, if you can fix it you get to keep your job |
| 18:53.56 | ChipX86 | you can also keep it if you give the bug to someone else |
| 18:54.07 | kergoth | hmm, i should keep an eye out on jobs |
| 18:54.26 | ChipX86 | oh noes! |
| 18:54.57 | *** join/#tacobeam prpplague (n=billybob@72.22.136.211) |
| 18:56.05 | ChipX86 | I'm tempted to use my pirate pic for my ptc hackergotchi |
| 18:56.23 | numist | hackergotchi? |
| 18:56.27 | ChipX86 | floating head |
| 18:56.32 | numist | that pirate pic is excellent, btw |
| 18:56.45 | prpplague | scanlime: were you using a IEC interface for your c64 hack? |
| 18:56.45 | numist | it looks a lot like you (the current floating head only has a resemblance in comparison) |
| 18:56.58 | kergoth | i should put some real actual content on my personal site someday |
| 18:57.04 | numist | kergoth: why? |
| 18:57.12 | scanlime | prpplague: yes |
| 18:57.34 | scanlime | prpplague: it emulated the disk drive |
| 18:57.38 | kergoth | numist: why not? itd be nice to have a place for my resume and stuff that isnt just an apache directory contents list |
| 18:58.10 | prpplague | scanlime: i never owned a c64 so i'm just curious |
| 18:58.14 | numist | kergoth: I was being sarcastic, I suggest getting wordpress somewhere.. its the lazy way to make a personal-type site |
| 18:58.15 | ChipX86 | bah, intern code no follow conventions |
| 18:58.17 | ChipX86 | unsigned foo; |
| 18:58.26 | prpplague | scanlime: never heard of this serial IEC interface, trying to find some specs |
| 18:58.29 | ChipX86 | enum weirdCase |
| 18:58.29 | numist | ChipX86: beat the intern, its how things are done |
| 18:58.32 | kergoth | numist: ah. |
| 18:58.33 | ChipX86 | he's gone now |
| 18:58.35 | numist | aw |
| 18:58.37 | ChipX86 | I'm rewriting some of his code |
| 18:59.00 | scanlime | prpplague: specs are elusive.. IIRC the cbm4linux project has some ascii copies of old an old magazine article that describes it |
| 18:59.18 | file[laptop] | woot FWD and sipphone peering |
| 18:59.25 | prpplague | scanlime: ahh, so its not some sort of standard serial protocol |
| 18:59.37 | ChipX86 | such weird code |
| 18:59.45 | ChipX86 | I don't even understand why some of this is here |
| 19:00.07 | scanlime | prpplague: right |
| 19:00.14 | prpplague | scanlime: lovely |
| 19:00.34 | prpplague | scanlime: hehe, need a iec to spi interface, hehe |
| 19:00.39 | scanlime | prpplague: what did you expect? nobody used electrical standards back then... |
| 19:00.58 | prpplague | good point |
| 19:01.10 | scanlime | heh, spi? |
| 19:01.17 | scanlime | why? |
| 19:01.33 | numist | scanlime: have you played with the gameshark yet? |
| 19:02.03 | scanlime | numist: I've been reading about it.. there's actually some windows software that can use that port to do things like scan the game's RAM and upload/download codes |
| 19:02.10 | numist | neat |
| 19:02.16 | numist | could be useful |
| 19:02.22 | scanlime | I need to prod windows into working correctly or bring home a vmware to try it in |
| 19:02.51 | scanlime | yeah.. might even be able to use that to reverse engineer the parallel protocol >:) |
| 19:03.07 | numist | :D |
| 19:03.10 | numist | I like where this is going |
| 19:03.46 | prpplague | scanlime: mmc/sd |
| 19:03.55 | scanlime | prpplague: uhhuh.. that's just gross |
| 19:03.59 | prpplague | scanlime: hehe |
| 19:04.19 | scanlime | prpplague: unless you're planning on implementing the whole disk protocol, just stick it on the C64's user port |
| 19:04.37 | scanlime | prpplague: I muchly recommend the user port.. a C64's disk drive implements the entire filesystem |
| 19:04.45 | prpplague | scanlime: ahh |
| 19:05.10 | scanlime | the disk drives are also disgustingly slow |
| 19:05.25 | prpplague | scanlime: http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f155952441b7456565f5209514e01101f034c414752050140090a1e31115579633a223c6373744e03263c2e653b781560646e67277829207f105e0a702c6245154857080e6b187f7374067d584643463 |
| 19:05.28 | scanlime | you're lucky to get a kilobyte/second |
| 19:05.33 | numist | scanlime: :o |
| 19:05.35 | prpplague | scanlime: eh gads, sorry for the long url |
| 19:05.37 | numist | that is disgustingly slow |
| 19:05.39 | scanlime | heh |
| 19:05.55 | Cae | *smacks neo* |
| 19:05.55 | scanlime | numist: really badly designed protocol + slow CPU |
| 19:06.00 | Cae | stupid university mail |
| 19:06.11 | Cae | "Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to localhost:25 in /data/www/neo/lib/mail/send.relay.inc.php3 on line 50" |
| 19:06.19 | prpplague | scanlime: mainly just looking at it out of curiosity |
| 19:06.23 | scanlime | numist: every bit had handshaking, and it had to be timed to account for worst-case latency due to video IRQs |
| 19:06.47 | numist | every BIT? |
| 19:06.53 | numist | wow |
| 19:06.58 | prpplague | scanlime: i'm trying extremely hard to finish atleast 75% of my current projects before starting a new one, hehe |
| 19:07.47 | scanlime | hmm |
| 19:07.56 | scanlime | I really doubt this bug is ultimately my fault |
| 19:08.07 | scanlime | this ASSERT should never be hit unless my code is getting bad data from the windows backend |
| 19:30.25 | scanlime | gotta love bugfixes that only touch ASSERTs... |
| 19:51.47 | numist | Im too used to working for difficult bosses |
| 19:52.17 | numist | I come in today (I havent been in the office since Thurs) and its all ok, matter of fact I 'should probably go home for today too' |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM2501 | scanlime &| ChipX86 can vmware use the real LPT port on the PC it's running on? like to access a hardware key. |
| 20:06.42 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:06.49 | ChipX86 | you just map it to the physical device |
| 20:08.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:08.31 | JeffM2501 | we are looking at other solutions to testing other lang. OSs |
| 20:08.38 | JeffM2501 | right now we have an assload of removable drives |
| 20:08.49 | ChipX86 | vmware should make life easier |
| 20:09.00 | ChipX86 | try the beta or trial (non-crippled) and see before you buy |
| 20:09.00 | scanlime | removable is vmware's middle name |
| 20:09.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll have the IT guy get it |
| 20:09.29 | numist | whats the last name? (or first name, whichever name vmware isnt) |
| 20:10.26 | scanlime | v.m. are initials obviously |
| 20:10.30 | numist | ah hah |
| 20:10.31 | scanlime | V. reMovable Ware. |
| 20:10.35 | numist | and m is removable :P |
| 20:10.40 | numist | nice |
| 20:10.48 | numist | and v stands for... |
| 20:10.57 | scanlime | very cool |
| 20:11.41 | ChipX86 | easily removable has always been an important selling point of this company, even back when the company produced shoes |
| 20:11.54 | numist | ... |
| 20:11.56 | numist | lol |
| 20:11.59 | numist | ChipX86++ |
| 20:12.38 | ChipX86 | it was during the young years when the company was trying to find itself |
| 20:12.52 | numist | like honda, which started by making engine parts for Toyota :P |
| 20:12.53 | ChipX86 | you can see evidence of anotehr venture, refrigerator production |
| 20:12.55 | numist | theres some irony |
| 20:13.15 | numist | refri... wheres that evidence? |
| 20:13.31 | ChipX86 | scanline has a pic of it somewhere |
| 20:13.39 | numist | Ill have to see it then |
| 20:14.13 | ChipX86 | "A VMware refrigerator product" |
| 20:14.18 | numist | :o |
| 20:14.26 | file[laptop] | :D |
| 20:14.27 | ChipX86 | i'm serious |
| 20:14.30 | scanlime | oh |
| 20:14.48 | numist | yeah |
| 20:14.56 | numist | ugh wrong screen |
| 20:15.47 | JeffM2501 | do they owners just like to try difrent things? |
| 20:16.44 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i think there's some facetiousness going on here |
| 20:17.19 | JeffM2501 | hey we allmost made boat parts once :0 |
| 20:17.38 | ChipX86 | there's really code that say "A VMware refrigerator product" |
| 20:17.47 | numist | you cant show us that though... |
| 20:18.10 | ChipX86 | brb, have to make travel reservations |
| 20:18.41 | numist | chico? |
| 20:20.33 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/~micah/fridge.jpeg |
| 20:21.15 | numist | nice |
| 20:21.21 | numist | that does show off the file structure though... |
| 20:21.29 | numist | is that important? |
| 20:21.33 | scanlime | file structure? |
| 20:22.08 | scanlime | I'm sure most projects have a 'build' directory :P |
| 20:22.10 | purple_cow | numist: i seriously doubt any competitors could gain an advantage by knowing directory layout :P |
| 20:22.12 | numist | youve got a dir open in the backg with a load of dlls and other importants |
| 20:22.15 | scanlime | aside from the pdb files and such, that's all stuff we ship |
| 20:22.18 | numist | purple_cow: you never know :P |
| 20:22.24 | numist | scanlime: good point, no source there |
| 20:22.39 | scanlime | the stuff I blurred wasn't even source, just compiler output and debug info |
| 20:22.54 | scanlime | but that stuff did have symbol names and stuff |
| 20:22.58 | scanlime | and stuff |
| 20:23.16 | numist | aye |
| 20:23.18 | numist | cool though |
| 20:23.23 | numist | very facectious |
| 20:23.42 | JeffM2501 | here, I'll leak come comerical code to you |
| 20:23.44 | JeffM2501 | right now :) |
| 20:23.46 | JeffM2501 | iErr = gc_GetOpInfoI(iOp, gc_eiOpFlow, &iFlow); |
| 20:23.46 | JeffM2501 | gc_GetOpCustomDataField(iOp, kFLD_USERWORKPIECE, &iWP); |
| 20:23.50 | numist | :o |
| 20:23.53 | scanlime | I leaked plenty a while back... |
| 20:24.01 | scanlime | accidentally pasted "return;" in here I think |
| 20:24.01 | scanlime | :P |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM2501 | you can even have this |
| 20:24.03 | JeffM2501 | return u_CommonStamp( iOp, p ); |
| 20:24.30 | JeffM2501 | this may get me fired |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM2501 | enum |
| 20:24.32 | JeffM2501 | {// NOTE: If you change the enum you need to bump the current op version below... |
| 20:24.32 | JeffM2501 | DID_ROBOT_FLOW1 = 2, |
| 20:24.32 | JeffM2501 | DID_ROBOT_FLOW2, |
| 20:24.32 | JeffM2501 | DID_ROBOT_USER_WORKPIECE, |
| 20:24.33 | JeffM2501 | DID_ROBOT_TIME, |
| 20:24.35 | JeffM2501 | DID_ROBOT_SPINDLEON, |
| 20:24.37 | JeffM2501 | ROBOT_OP_DATA_ITEMS |
| 20:24.39 | JeffM2501 | } trLoadRobot; |
| 20:24.41 | numist | ... |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM2501 | now I've done it ;) |
| 20:25.00 | numist | now youve stepped in it.. who do you work for |
| 20:25.18 | JeffM2501 | If I told you I'd have to kill you |
| 20:25.58 | numist | sweet |
| 20:26.09 | scanlime | obviously they make time robots |
| 20:26.18 | scanlime | they go back in time and assassinate evil lincoln |
| 20:26.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:27.00 | JeffM2501 | tho I've never seen anyone actualy USe Load Spindle Robot before |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM2501 | it's usualy Load Spindle Bar Feed, or Subspindle Pull |
| 20:29.11 | JeffM2501 | now what would realy make you gouge your eyes out is our custom langauge stuff :) |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | IF LessThan? Recall# Num#('5') Num#('0') |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | Save# Num#('5') DIV# TRUNC# SUB# MUL# Recall# Num#('5') setRounding# Num#('.5') setRounding# |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | ELSE |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | Save# Num#('5') DIV# TRUNC# ADD# MUL# Recall# Num#('5') setRounding# Num#('.5') setRounding# |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | END |
| 20:29.51 | kergoth | my god |
| 20:29.54 | kergoth | what the fuck man |
| 20:29.58 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:29.58 | numist | lol |
| 20:30.05 | numist | i hope you get fired :P |
| 20:30.06 | JeffM2501 | that is my job to maintain |
| 20:30.15 | numist | thats pretty disgusto |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | tell me about it |
| 20:30.24 | numist | thats pretty disgusto |
| 20:30.28 | numist | :) |
| 20:30.39 | scanlime | that's job security |
| 20:30.51 | numist | yes, it is |
| 20:30.51 | JeffM2501 | language was done in 85 in pascal on a mac |
| 20:31.07 | JeffM2501 | thankfully I don't have to write crap in that language, but just work the backend out |
| 20:31.08 | scanlime | if they ever fire JeffM2501, they'll be scouring the planet for resumes with "sick fuck" listed under skills |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM2501 | I HOPE to ad infix math soon |
| 20:31.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:31.43 | JeffM2501 | I had to make a compiler for that stuff |
| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | and port it over from MCP to real windows |
| 20:32.10 | numist | wow |
| 20:32.11 | numist | nice |
| 20:32.20 | scanlime | hmm. |
| 20:32.22 | JeffM2501 | mac resources are evil |
| 20:32.29 | JeffM2501 | specialy in the windows |
| 20:32.41 | scanlime | I have two small patches that passed review, but depend on a larger patch that's still being looked at |
| 20:35.05 | ChipX86 | damn travel agency |
| 20:35.24 | ChipX86 | I'm booked, but they won't let me add Jamie through the business registration :/ |
| 20:40.15 | kergoth | where ya goin? |
| 20:42.22 | ChipX86 | Boston |
| 20:43.09 | numist | what/who is there? |
| 20:43.17 | ChipX86 | Boston GNOME Summit |
| 20:43.22 | numist | nice |
| 20:43.28 | ChipX86 | http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005_2fTellUsYoureComing <-- those guys :) |
| 20:43.33 | numist | :) |
| 20:43.55 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 20:44.00 | ChipX86 | been on there for a long time now |
| 20:44.32 | file[laptop] | ooh la la |
| 20:48.44 | scanlime | huh |
| 20:48.47 | scanlime | gadgetfs looks cool |
| 20:48.56 | ChipX86 | gadgetfs? |
| 20:49.04 | scanlime | part of the linux-usb gadget API |
| 20:49.06 | ChipX86 | there should be a go-go-gadget tool |
| 20:49.12 | ChipX86 | go-go-gadget delete README |
| 20:49.15 | numist | "DATA FROM RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT RITA HAS REACHED CATEGORY FIVE INTENSITY WITH ESTIMATED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS OF 165 MPH. THIS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE 4 PM CDT ADVISORY." <-- from AKO |
| 20:49.23 | ChipX86 | ooh it could be a shell |
| 20:49.31 | scanlime | lets you create USB devices in userspace.. you write descriptors to it, then you just end up with files representing USB endpoints |
| 20:49.42 | scanlime | hehehe |
| 20:49.59 | scanlime | usb-on-the-go needs a go-go-gadget |
| 20:52.56 | ChipX86 | Regis was talking about the good ol' days of VMware, with regards to bringing his wife on a trip |
| 20:53.02 | ChipX86 | they actually hired her for the weekend as an employee |
| 20:53.12 | ChipX86 | I doubt there's a way to make that happen here |
| 20:53.12 | scanlime | hehe |
| 20:53.34 | file[laptop] | poor Jamie :( you must not give up Mr. Hammond! |
| 20:53.37 | scanlime | well, you could convince them to actually hire her.... |
| 20:53.54 | ChipX86 | I doubt it'd work |
| 20:54.00 | ChipX86 | there's barely enough for us to do in Boston :) |
| 20:54.02 | scanlime | the HR people seem busy enough that you could slip her in under the door as a windows kernel developer and get her in our team |
| 20:54.06 | ChipX86 | she'll still get to go |
| 20:54.13 | ChipX86 | I just have to probably pay more, and I have to do it separately |
| 20:54.18 | ChipX86 | and I have to wait for my reservation info :P |
| 20:54.18 | *** join/#tacobeam Cae (i=cae@celeron.isc.tamu.edu) |
| 20:54.23 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 20:54.29 | ChipX86 | Jamie as a windows kernel developer.. |
| 20:54.37 | ChipX86 | I wouldn't want to do that to her ;) |
| 20:54.38 | Cae | that would be... |
| 20:54.45 | Cae | evil..vile..dirty.. |
| 20:56.05 | ChipX86 | amex's travel center UI is pretty nice actually |
| 20:56.25 | purple_cow | oooh |
| 20:56.27 | purple_cow | new katamari is out |
| 20:56.31 | purple_cow | if only i had a ps2 :( |
| 20:56.32 | ChipX86 | !!! |
| 20:56.35 | scanlime | ooh |
| 20:56.42 | ChipX86 | wonder if Frys has it |
| 20:56.53 | scanlime | I'd need a PS2... |
| 20:56.56 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 20:56.56 | scanlime | and a component video cable >:) |
| 20:56.57 | ChipX86 | you do |
| 20:56.58 | darth_mall | you are a PS2 |
| 20:56.59 | ChipX86 | go buy one |
| 20:57.22 | scanlime | buying a video game system? unheard of! |
| 20:57.33 | ChipX86 | pfft |
| 20:57.40 | ChipX86 | you can afford it |
| 20:57.55 | scanlime | it's just kinda weird.. after getting all that random furniture and the TV, I haven't even throught about buying anything other than groceries or maybe some t-shirts |
| 20:57.57 | darth_mall | they are pretty cheap these days |
| 20:58.04 | darth_mall | though, at this point I'd probably just wait for a PS3 ^^ |
| 20:58.21 | scanlime | yeah... |
| 20:58.31 | scanlime | or the nintendo revolution :) |
| 20:58.32 | darth_mall | it's not like the katamari games are going anywhere ^^ |
| 20:58.53 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: it was really hard to find the first one for a while |
| 20:59.15 | darth_mall | ChipX86: but that was different |
| 20:59.24 | darth_mall | that's because the release wasn't very big over here |
| 20:59.35 | darth_mall | until Gabe and Tycho started raving about it |
| 20:59.43 | numist | hehe |
| 20:59.51 | ChipX86 | no, at Frys for a while here, they were getting a shipment in every day, and by the end of each day, the shipment was gone |
| 20:59.58 | scanlime | ugh... |
| 21:00.03 | Cae | no classes Friday for me |
| 21:00.08 | numist | scanlime: dont bother with making a usb controller for it.. its already been done properly.. (psjoy) |
| 21:00.13 | Cae | we even moved the football game |
| 21:00.16 | scanlime | for (i=0; i < numberOfFoo; i++) ... arrayOfFoos[0] ... |
| 21:00.21 | Cae | I think Rita officially counts as an act of god now. |
| 21:00.22 | scanlime | need to s/0/i/ :P |
| 21:00.29 | ChipX86 | Cae: :( |
| 21:00.30 | numist | Cae: its cat5 now.. I think so |
| 21:00.34 | ChipX86 | geeze. |
| 21:00.38 | Cae | it'd have to be to get Texas to move a football game |
| 21:00.39 | ChipX86 | God's pissed |
| 21:00.41 | numist | yeah |
| 21:00.41 | Cae | it is? |
| 21:00.45 | numist | Cae: "DATA FROM RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT RITA HAS REACHED CATEGORY FIVE INTENSITY WITH ESTIMATED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS OF 165 MPH. THIS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE 4 PM CDT ADVISORY." |
| 21:00.51 | numist | its not released yet though :) |
| 21:00.51 | scanlime | numist: which way round? I know I've seen adaptors to hook PS2 controllers up to USB, but not the other way around |
| 21:01.02 | Cae | holy shit |
| 21:01.23 | Cae | (well, the update's also on weather.com - but it hit that report in the last hour) |
| 21:01.24 | numist | a generic joystick to the ps2? I havent seen that done, probably because the ps2 controller is generally accepted as the best. ever. |
| 21:01.59 | kergoth | the ps2 controllers sony shipped suck. some of the third party ones are nice though |
| 21:01.59 | numist | Cae: my theory is that someone (formerly in the superdome, now in the astrodome) really pissed ${DIETY} off |
| 21:02.05 | kergoth | too small and cramped |
| 21:02.13 | numist | I like the oem ones.. its worked fine for me, at least |
| 21:02.20 | numist | maybe my hands are the right size :P |
| 21:02.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:02.36 | kergoth | i like my logitech cordless ps2 controller. much more ergonomic |
| 21:02.48 | scanlime | numist: no no.... |
| 21:02.54 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r76 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: as much as i totally love doing all this work myself, it would be really fucking nice if you guys could show some fucking initiative |
| 21:03.06 | scanlime | numist: ps2 joystick -> usb -> linux input -> ethernet -> usb -> unicone -> ps2 |
| 21:03.14 | numist | ah hah, a la genesis |
| 21:03.28 | scanlime | well, it's the unicone idea... |
| 21:03.34 | scanlime | I've done it most of the way with gamecube and genesis |
| 21:03.48 | numist | sweet |
| 21:03.55 | scanlime | but my gc prototype needs fixing and purple_cow has my genesis prototype |
| 21:03.57 | numist | does that mean I can play versus you on mariokart from here? |
| 21:04.05 | numist | on n64? |
| 21:04.07 | scanlime | you could if my FPGA didn't kick the bucket |
| 21:04.23 | numist | :( |
| 21:04.25 | scanlime | it was running on an old and broken XC4010 for a while |
| 21:04.30 | scanlime | been meaning to port it to a modern FPGA for a while |
| 21:04.39 | scanlime | then the XC4010 finally finished dying |
| 21:04.47 | numist | if I could use it remotely, that would be entirely sweet |
| 21:04.51 | scanlime | yeah |
| 21:04.54 | numist | with video streaming back >D |
| 21:05.08 | scanlime | the network transparency was just done using inputpipe |
| 21:05.17 | scanlime | from the unicone's point of view, all the controllers were local |
| 21:05.36 | scanlime | inputpipe is a daemon I wrote that transparently connects linux input drivers across the network |
| 21:05.55 | scanlime | uses evdev and uinput |
| 21:06.18 | numist | excellent |
| 21:06.25 | numist | if I can play from here, that would be entirely leet |
| 21:10.41 | scanlime | ooh |
| 21:10.41 | scanlime | chris is hacking on something really neat |
| 21:10.57 | numist | oh? |
| 21:11.07 | Cae | have fun guys |
| 21:11.12 | scanlime | neat enough I won't prod him quite yet for not reviewing my code ;) |
| 21:11.13 | numist | later cae |
| 21:11.19 | numist | what is it? |
| 21:11.23 | scanlime | secret! |
| 21:11.31 | numist | :( |
| 21:11.35 | numist | secrets are bad |
| 21:11.39 | numist | they get people in trouble/killed |
| 21:11.48 | scanlime | only if I tell you |
| 21:11.55 | numist | ... |
| 21:12.21 | file[laptop] | super sekret |
| 21:15.14 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r77 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: fix documentation section |
| 21:40.44 | darth_mall | hmmm... cool |
| 21:40.49 | darth_mall | I think I finished my UI homework |
| 21:41.00 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r78 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: remove an extra word and an extra sentence |
| 21:42.21 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@61.149.94.57) |
| 21:43.22 | darth_mall | aww |
| 21:43.25 | darth_mall | extra makes it better |
| 21:43.41 | darth_mall | I think my cd rom drive is broken =\ |
| 21:44.33 | ChipX86 | they're saying 20+ mins on hold, probably minimum, due to people making flight reservations to escape Hurricane Rita :/ |
| 21:45.58 | scanlime | wow.. |
| 21:46.01 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.01 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.02 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.06 | scanlime | nothing else... |
| 21:46.09 | scanlime | no description |
| 21:46.12 | scanlime | zip |
| 21:46.14 | ChipX86 | wow. Where's that? |
| 21:46.23 | scanlime | usb code |
| 21:46.25 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 21:46.45 | scanlime | UsbgInitPipe in usbGeneric.c :P |
| 21:48.27 | darth_mall | sweet! |
| 21:48.31 | file[laptop] | haha my coworker's FICO credit score is 666 |
| 21:48.35 | darth_mall | my AI homework is due a week later than I thought =D |
| 21:48.46 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 21:49.13 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 21:49.19 | darth_mall | this means I'm not behind, I'm actually a little ahead |
| 21:49.45 | file[laptop] | darth_mall: yay |
| 21:50.15 | ChipX86 | wonder how many cell minutes this is going to use up |
| 21:50.27 | ChipX86 | I should be calling with my landline here |
| 21:50.36 | file[laptop] | yes, yes you should |
| 21:50.45 | file[laptop] | who is your provider? |
| 21:51.02 | ChipX86 | sprint |
| 21:51.09 | file[laptop] | ah they aren't vulnerable... |
| 21:51.13 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:51.32 | file[laptop] | flaw in billing systems |
| 21:51.57 | file[laptop] | if you call a T-Mobile cellphone, and have your callerid set to that of another T-Mobile cellphone it's treated as an in-network received call on the cellphone called |
| 21:52.07 | file[laptop] | they billed based off of caller id |
| 21:52.09 | file[laptop] | er bill |
| 21:53.39 | file[laptop] | they should be billing on ANI, as that you can't easily change... but oh well |
| 21:53.50 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:54.05 | file[laptop] | you can also get into someone's voicemail that way |
| 21:54.32 | file[laptop] | a group of us called Mark Spencer's cellphone with his number as our callerid and it let us straight into his voice mailbox |
| 21:54.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:54.50 | file[laptop] | we changed his greeting ;) |
| 21:55.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:55.54 | kergoth | balsdhkg |
| 21:55.56 | kergoth | damnit |
| 21:56.08 | kergoth | this app is dlopen()ing a module. the module uses a symbol in the app |
| 21:56.10 | file[laptop] | kergoth: the day will soon be over, rejoice and be happy! |
| 21:56.15 | kergoth | but right now that symbol is saying undefined |
| 21:56.20 | kergoth | which makes no sense |
| 21:59.59 | purple_cow | kergoth: i didn't think dlopened modules had access to the app's symbol table |
| 22:00.46 | scanlime | not directly... |
| 22:01.13 | kergoth | if the app was built with -rdynamic and -Wl,-export-dynamic, its supposed to be able to get at them |
| 22:01.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:04.58 | ChipX86 | !*&#^!* |
| 22:05.22 | kergoth | i'll second that |
| 22:05.36 | ChipX86 | I want to do one simple thing |
| 22:06.00 | ChipX86 | I just simply want to get a plane ticket for Jamie and have her next to me |
| 22:06.06 | ChipX86 | I've been transferred to 3 or 4 different numbers now |
| 22:06.12 | kergoth | :\ |
| 22:06.26 | scanlime | whoa |
| 22:06.28 | scanlime | cheesecake? |
| 22:06.45 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: that makes too much sense |
| 22:07.13 | scanlime | ChipX86: good luck |
| 22:07.35 | scanlime | ChipX86: I've never had good luck with getting plane tickets with adjacent seats |
| 22:08.00 | scanlime | ChipX86: I didn't get to sit next to christy and her sister on the transatlantic flight to italy... |
| 22:08.08 | ChipX86 | FUCK |
| 22:08.24 | ChipX86 | this latest number they transferred me to doesn't even deal with our company or any company related to any company we deal with |
| 22:09.46 | ChipX86 | I don't understand how people are able to actually get frmo point A to point B without tearing their hair out. I'm having a lot more respect for these people who do it every week |
| 22:11.19 | ChipX86 | and so far, I have no confirmation as to whether or not my flight has successfully been booked |
| 22:11.24 | ChipX86 | so I have no information about my flight |
| 22:14.07 | scanlime | you have bad luck.. I've never had a hassle like that with my plane tickets |
| 22:14.19 | scanlime | just order them online, get an email itinerary confirmation, and you're ready to go |
| 22:16.04 | file[laptop] | quite |
| 22:16.20 | file[laptop] | dealing with people to get plane tickets very unproductive |
| 22:16.46 | file[laptop] | espically when they say, "oh I got you on the last seat for that flight" and then in reality you have to rebook on a different flight |
| 22:19.28 | ChipX86 | it's not just plane tickets. I've had this issue with even buses and trains |
| 22:19.56 | file[laptop] | maybe you emit some sort of field |
| 22:22.16 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r79 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: some rephrasing, update date, change page numbering a bit |
| 22:26.20 | Veight | helwo |
| 22:27.58 | ChipX86 | hahahaha |
| 22:28.00 | ChipX86 | I went through orbitz |
| 22:28.05 | ChipX86 | found the same exact flight plan |
| 22:28.06 | ChipX86 | $100 less |
| 22:28.20 | scanlime | how much is it? |
| 22:28.24 | ChipX86 | $263 |
| 22:28.28 | scanlime | nice |
| 22:28.34 | scanlime | that's about what I'm paying to get to Denver |
| 22:28.40 | Veight | ChipX86: where you going? |
| 22:28.59 | Veight | nvm |
| 22:29.01 | Veight | read up hehe |
| 22:29.02 | ChipX86 | oh nope |
| 22:29.04 | ChipX86 | $363 |
| 22:29.05 | ChipX86 | damn |
| 22:29.07 | ChipX86 | different plane |
| 22:33.10 | scanlime | whoo |
| 22:33.17 | scanlime | exactly 555 lines of code to do exactly nothing |
| 22:33.25 | kergoth | fun |
| 22:33.32 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r80 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: more pagebreak/numbering changes |
| 22:47.02 | scanlime | oh my god |
| 22:47.15 | scanlime | "Onion article (february 2004): |
| 22:47.15 | scanlime | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930 |
| 22:47.15 | scanlime | Reality (september 2005): |
| 22:47.15 | scanlime | http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/14/news/fortune500/gillette/index.htm |
| 22:47.17 | scanlime | Looks like they got it right. They even predicted the second strip :)" |
| 22:47.26 | scanlime | that article from Gilette frightens me |
| 22:47.40 | scanlime | a microchip to regulate the razor's *voltage*? |
| 22:47.46 | scanlime | since when do non-rotary razors have a voltage? |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:48.42 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 22:48.45 | ChipX86 | she has a reservation |
| 22:48.58 | ChipX86 | on the first flight, she's in front of me though |
| 22:49.01 | ChipX86 | and the second, who knows wher |
| 22:49.11 | scanlime | that just means you can poke her in the neck the whole way there |
| 22:49.38 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yep |
| 22:49.47 | ChipX86 | it was funny when I was talking to Philip |
| 22:50.09 | ChipX86 | "The only difference between our reservations is you'll probably want a hotel with two beds... erm.. [funny look on his face] or whatever." |
| 22:50.22 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:50.25 | kergoth | two beds.. yeah.. |
| 22:50.26 | scanlime | hehe |
| 22:50.26 | ChipX86 | funny/embarrassed look |
| 22:51.20 | scanlime | I'm just waiting for gilette product announcements to read like star trek scripts |
| 22:51.24 | kergoth | man, finally getting my cell phone and bluetooth headphones tomorrow |
| 22:51.26 | kergoth | yay for new toys |
| 22:51.37 | kergoth | wonder if work'd let me work from home until the ups guy arrives |
| 22:51.39 | scanlime | "Our latest razor uses a quad-antitachyon beam to reverse the polarity of your facial hair for the maximum in comfort" |
| 22:51.43 | kergoth | could back at ti |
| 23:00.02 | ChipX86 | Frys doesn't have the new katamari damacy game |
| 23:00.22 | scanlime | get me one too! |
| 23:00.32 | scanlime | except.. I guess I kinda need a playstation first |
| 23:00.44 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:00.55 | scanlime | wonder when my gamecube component video cable is coming in... |
| 23:01.02 | scanlime | no tracking info on shipments from lik-sang |
| 23:01.22 | scanlime | hmm |
| 23:01.42 | scanlime | a lot of this USB code isn't portible to big-endian architectures :P |
| 23:07.58 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (n=Eric@HSE-Quebec-City-ppp128531.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:10.25 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r81 10docs/initial-requirements/requirements.tex: add garbage text, mostly copied from the example, to prevent "stacked headings" |
| 23:11.31 | file | hail pagefault |
| 23:11.37 | pagefault | sir file |
| 23:13.58 | file | wazzup? |
| 23:14.02 | ChipX86 | scanlime: do you know Antonio D'Souza? |
| 23:14.08 | scanlime | nope |
| 23:14.10 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 23:14.12 | *** join/#tacobeam SecretMethod70 (n=SecretMe@24-148-59-170.prs-bsr1.chi-prs.il.cable.rcn.com) |
| 23:14.16 | ChipX86 | he works here, and just invited me to his LinkedIn network |
| 23:14.21 | ChipX86 | and I have no idea who he is |
| 23:14.28 | scanlime | LinkedIn? |
| 23:14.40 | ChipX86 | some social network thing |
| 23:14.44 | scanlime | huh |
| 23:14.45 | scanlime | mmmkay |
| 23:14.54 | ChipX86 | kinda weirds me out |
| 23:15.00 | scanlime | yeah |
| 23:15.10 | ChipX86 | since I don't know him, and he's handing this out to at least one vmware employee, probably more |
| 23:15.23 | ChipX86 | using my vmware address to... which probably means more spam coming |
| 23:15.32 | kergoth | hmm, why does that name sound familiar |
| 23:15.34 | ChipX86 | since it's an invite through their form |
| 23:16.04 | pagefault | the return of orkut? |
| 23:16.30 | pagefault | I prefer to do my social networking without a keyboard |
| 23:16.36 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:17.09 | scanlime | bzflag is the ultimate social networking app |
| 23:17.25 | pagefault | and a great way to make enemies too |
| 23:17.26 | pagefault | :) |
| 23:17.38 | ChipX86 | it's such a racist game |
| 23:17.47 | ChipX86 | grab genocide and start killing all the red people |
| 23:17.56 | ChipX86 | it should be banned |
| 23:17.57 | ChipX86 | ! |
| 23:18.03 | pagefault | for sure |
| 23:18.08 | pagefault | bzflag hot coffee mod |
| 23:18.09 | pagefault | where is it |
| 23:18.15 | scanlime | look at all that social commentary! the tanks *jump*! |
| 23:18.41 | scanlime | and.. uh.. it teaches kids to press tab a lot and start their sentences with 'n' |
| 23:18.48 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 23:19.07 | kergoth | pressing tab a lot is good training for using linux or irc |
| 23:19.34 | file | kergoth: on the Asterisk CLI every time you press tab it causes a memory leak, so if you press it enough you could crash your own PBX |
| 23:19.41 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:19.48 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 23:20.17 | ChipX86 | ooh, the new preferences dialog is in a semi-working state |
| 23:20.18 | file | and everytime you reload your configuration it causes a memory leak |
| 23:20.47 | scanlime | and every time you make coffee, a memory leak? |
| 23:20.57 | file | probably |
| 23:21.08 | kergoth | no, the leak resulting from coffee has more to do with fluids and less to do with memory |
| 23:21.53 | gonkulator | speaking of coffee, it is really good with sugar and heavy whipping cream |
| 23:22.03 | gonkulator | and by really good, I mean *really* good |
| 23:22.35 | pagefault | you need a shot of like |
| 23:22.37 | scanlime | I think they call that ice cream |
| 23:22.40 | pagefault | whiskey |
| 23:22.43 | pagefault | and it would be complete |
| 23:22.47 | scanlime | they call that irish coffee :P |
| 23:22.54 | kergoth | mm, irish coffee |
| 23:23.08 | scanlime | what's new, gonkulator? |
| 23:23.08 | gonkulator | scanlime: if you use too much heavy whipping cream and sugar, it becomes coffee frosting |
| 23:23.19 | pagefault | yep good coffee |
| 23:23.54 | gonkulator | we're gonna have 12 guys ordained deacons on Saturday |
| 23:24.04 | gonkulator | scanlime: hows about on your end? |
| 23:24.23 | scanlime | not bad.. I'm fairly well settled into this job |
| 23:24.27 | scanlime | and my living room is less of a disaster |
| 23:24.34 | gonkulator | yay less of a disaster |
| 23:24.35 | scanlime | I'm visiting Boulder the weekend after this one |
| 23:24.41 | ChipX86 | oohhh |
| 23:24.45 | ChipX86 | new linux guy starts Monday |
| 23:25.01 | pagefault | a new person to boss around |
| 23:25.09 | scanlime | gonkulator: http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/micahs-tv/p1010031_001 |
| 23:25.17 | scanlime | gonkulator: finally got myself a TV and a cabinet for all my server equipment :) |
| 23:25.49 | gonkulator | wow, thats pretty neat |
| 23:27.44 | scanlime | hehe |
| 23:28.07 | scanlime | I think the TV itself runs linux :P |
| 23:28.15 | gonkulator | heh |
| 23:28.34 | scanlime | buried in the menus there's an about box with a copy of the GPL and a URL for source |
| 23:28.54 | scanlime | the URL is broken, but google turns up some info suggesting it's a linux port for the microcontroller used in the TV |
| 23:29.46 | gonkulator | argh... |
| 23:29.54 | gonkulator | stupid web filters |
| 23:30.09 | scanlime | haha |
| 23:30.11 | scanlime | it's great :) |
| 23:31.17 | scanlime | ooh.. never seen this error before |
| 23:33.02 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_routing.c gemini_voice.c): Add error checking for connectivity to the media server |
| 23:33.53 | gonkulator | howdy slimspace |
| 23:34.00 | slimspace | hoy hoy gonkulator |
| 23:36.39 | pagefault | local bandwidth? |
| 23:36.42 | pagefault | for an irc server? |
| 23:37.10 | slimspace | there he is |
| 23:39.36 | gonkulator | wow, time passes too dang fast |
| 23:39.50 | gonkulator | later folks |
| 23:39.59 | gonkulator | scanlime: good to see you're all settled in :) |
| 23:40.05 | scanlime | gonkulator: getting there... |
| 23:40.37 | scanlime | ow |
| 23:40.40 | scanlime | yay! |
| 23:40.51 | scanlime | more ways to crash vmware |
| 23:40.55 | darth_mall | yay indeed |
| 23:42.10 | ChipX86 | kergoth: it makes me sad that I can't pre-order the WoW expansion pack yet |
| 23:43.18 | file | ChipX86: lots of stuff makes you sad eh? |
| 23:43.35 | ChipX86 | file: lots of stuff makes me happy too, so it balances uot |
| 23:43.39 | ChipX86 | out too |
| 23:43.41 | file | yay |
| 23:43.52 | scanlime | damniut |
| 23:44.00 | scanlime | I have katamari damacy music stuck in my head now |
| 23:44.04 | purple_cow | darth_mall: seriously, after 4 years of group projects, i'm tired of politely asking people to pull their weight :P |
| 23:44.06 | ChipX86 | scanlime: you too? good, it's not just me |
| 23:44.30 | purple_cow | this assignment isn't worth a whole lot, so i'm willing to wait |
| 23:44.42 | purple_cow | on further ones, i'll just do it myself if people don't participate, but there will be seething involved |
| 23:45.16 | darth_mall | purple_cow: that's fine, but that doesn't make it better. I haven't been slacking on that for the heck of it, I've had plenty of other imminent things keeping me busy |
| 23:45.40 | purple_cow | darth_mall: you do realize that every day our grade is going down on this? |
| 23:45.53 | darth_mall | what? |
| 23:46.17 | purple_cow | so you guys didn't read the section on grading :P |
| 23:46.36 | purple_cow | i've sent in several drafts, and have been fixing things as i get comments |
| 23:46.38 | slimspace | purple_cow: I did. I simply have been kept out of the loop as to what's been going on because you don't bother to tell me what's going on |
| 23:46.56 | slimspace | I thought it was in and done |
| 23:47.09 | purple_cow | slimspace: i know you got the comments in your email *yesterday* |
| 23:47.16 | slimspace | I got one email on comments. That's it. |
| 23:48.20 | purple_cow | i see all of you on the to: list in the email bruce sent yesterday |
| 23:48.27 | darth_mall | I never got it |
| 23:48.54 | slimspace | I got the email yesterday |
| 23:49.00 | slimspace | I've also been too busy to do anything about it |
| 23:49.22 | slimspace | Since yesterday I haven't received anything. |
| 23:50.55 | purple_cow | well, whatever, i feel that i've done enough on this one. you guys can choose to find the time or not |
| 23:52.00 | darth_mall | knowing what else needed to be done would help |
| 23:52.16 | slimspace | purple_cow: not all of us spend our lives on IRC so we can watch the CIA logs |
| 23:52.25 | purple_cow | slimspace: you don't need cia, damnit |
| 23:52.35 | purple_cow | you're perfectly capable of comparing the list of comments to the document |
| 23:52.57 | slimspace | true, but there's a nice thing called communication that helps a lot. And it wastes less time. |
| 23:52.58 | purple_cow | or looking at svn log, or looking at CIA's web site |
| 23:54.00 | purple_cow | slimspace: i really don't have the energy to tell everyone what to do all the time. if you want to know what i'm up to, ask me :P |
| 23:55.07 | slimspace | purple_cow: I'm not saying you should tell us what to do all the time. But it'd be nice if you talked to us about things. It seems to me like you just take a task and do it without talking to anyone about it. |
| 23:55.16 | purple_cow | it looks like at some point, you guys got dropped off the cc: in the tread between the TA and me, and i'm sorry for not noticing |
| 23:55.22 | slimspace | As a result, you're the only one on the project that has any idea of what's going on. |
| 23:55.48 | purple_cow | slimspace: if i'm the only one willing to take an initiative on anything, i can get things done faster by just doing them |
| 23:56.10 | slimspace | that's another thing. You just assume that no one is willing to do anything |
| 23:56.26 | purple_cow | that's because unless i ask, noone *does* do anything |
| 23:56.43 | slimspace | you don't give anyone a chance to do anything. You just do it and complain later |
| 23:56.44 | purple_cow | i waited over 24 hours on those comments from bruce to see if anyone would do something |
| 23:56.49 | purple_cow | or even *ask* me about it |
| 23:57.03 | darth_mall | seeing as how slimspace and I are in class |
| 23:58.55 | scanlime | ooh |
| 23:59.03 | scanlime | it gets slightly farther into booting before segfault now :P |
| 23:59.15 | pagefault | wee |
| 23:59.18 | pagefault | I need to finish my script |
| 23:59.44 | pagefault | goes to usenet and finds whatever song I want and plays it |
| 23:59.49 | pagefault | because I am lazy |
