| 00:05.59 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_users.c gemini_users.h): Add complete contacts support - YAY!!! |
| 00:10.30 | scanlime | yay.. that was I think the second phone call I've had at work |
| 00:10.32 | scanlime | both wrong numbers |
| 00:10.46 | ChipX86 | I get those all the time :) |
| 00:13.34 | file | you mean you use... phones... at work? |
| 00:13.45 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added a test program for view::WrapLabel. |
| 00:14.27 | scanlime | file: they're even VoIP :P |
| 00:14.58 | file | are they Cisco? |
| 00:15.14 | scanlime | altigen |
| 00:15.24 | file | ah |
| 00:16.01 | file | and now... time to bring down the database and watch this go horribly crashy |
| 00:16.59 | file | fudge... |
| 00:18.32 | file | coredump! |
| 00:23.39 | file | wow, it works |
| 00:24.11 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/gemini_database.c: Add working database failover stuff... if the database disappears - who cares?!? |
| 00:26.34 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/gemini_database.c: Add working database query caching |
| 00:26.37 | file | yay |
| 00:31.26 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added a test program for view::DeadEntry. |
| 00:31.47 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:31.50 | ChipX86 | no worky? |
| 00:32.18 | scanlime | this should be so simple... |
| 00:39.25 | purple_cow | hah, i didn't notice the subtitle on this book |
| 00:39.29 | purple_cow | apparently this is paranoia XP SP1 |
| 00:40.37 | scanlime | heh |
| 00:40.46 | scanlime | ooh.. unrelated to what I'm doing at work, but this is kinda neat: |
| 00:40.52 | scanlime | " OHCI hosts may do multiple stages of a control transfer in a single frame, while UCHI hosts do each stage in a different frame. Every USB device should function under both host types." |
| 00:41.08 | scanlime | that's why the rasterwand gets a hugely better frame rate on my ibook, with OHCI |
| 00:41.32 | scanlime | I think UHCI was only giving me one control transfer every 2 or 3 frames |
| 00:53.30 | scanlime | heh |
| 00:53.40 | scanlime | of course I'd get another idea on how to implement this right before it's time to head home |
| 00:53.50 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 00:53.57 | ChipX86 | you need your SecurID |
| 00:54.15 | scanlime | nah, if I wanted to keep working on it I'd stay here ;) |
| 00:56.58 | scanlime | I think I need to keep scribbling down notes on this idea anyway.. want to make sure it will work before I mostly-implement a 3rd idea then find out it won't quite work |
| 00:58.36 | file | numist: ooh food |
| 00:58.42 | scanlime | hmm, food |
| 00:58.58 | scanlime | 120mm fans, spaghetti, beer... |
| 00:59.10 | file[laptop] | scanlime: plutonium? |
| 00:59.15 | purple_cow | which of these is not like the others... |
| 00:59.20 | scanlime | file[laptop]: only if it absorbs heat rather than giving it off... |
| 00:59.25 | scanlime | oh, and a measuring tape |
| 00:59.34 | scanlime | purple_cow: hah, now it's split! |
| 00:59.55 | file[laptop] | spam from VMware, oh no! |
| 01:00.31 | numist | file: yes, food... of the super yummy variety |
| 01:01.00 | scanlime | oh? |
| 01:01.00 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/tests/ (test-dead-entry.cc test-wrap-label.cc): Spaces, not tabs. Silly editor. |
| 01:01.30 | numist | yep |
| 01:01.32 | file[laptop] | numist: don't keep the secret from us |
| 01:01.39 | numist | you cook the chicken in the marinade |
| 01:01.44 | scanlime | hehe |
| 01:01.46 | scanlime | yes, that would do it |
| 01:01.51 | numist | in the oven, in a bowl of sorts, at 350 or so until its cooked through |
| 01:01.59 | numist | no moisture loss makes for really yummy chicken |
| 01:02.10 | scanlime | that's basically what I did to the chicken parmesan, except the marinade was tomato sauce |
| 01:02.26 | scanlime | plus the chicken had a breaded and fried crust |
| 01:02.27 | numist | the problem is that every so often you have to add more marinade or water as it boils away |
| 01:02.42 | numist | oof fried.. there goes the moisture |
| 01:03.03 | scanlime | it fried real quick though, only really affected the top and bottom |
| 01:03.12 | scanlime | so the inside is really juicy |
| 01:04.42 | numist | ah good, so the moisture was seared inside -- another really good way for juicy meat |
| 01:05.06 | numist | I had great ahi the other night... only the outside quarter inch was cooked.. the rest was sushi-raw, and it was great |
| 01:05.27 | scanlime | ah, I had that when purple_cow and the bzflag folks and I were in LA |
| 01:05.40 | scanlime | really tasty, for not-really-sushi |
| 01:05.40 | numist | makes me want to do it myself :) |
| 01:05.43 | numist | yeah |
| 01:05.51 | numist | need a good sauce/marinade for something like that |
| 01:05.56 | scanlime | yeah |
| 01:06.01 | scanlime | I have no idea what was in the sauce I had it with |
| 01:06.08 | purple_cow | that's what's known as "seared tuna" |
| 01:06.11 | numist | gotta go pick up carrie's sister from tutoring, brb |
| 01:06.22 | purple_cow | ;) |
| 01:06.39 | purple_cow | and it's really only a tuna thing, surprisingly enough |
| 01:06.42 | scanlime | ugh.. every time I think I have a solution to this problem, it's missing a critical piece |
| 01:06.48 | scanlime | hmm |
| 01:07.06 | scanlime | the salmon in my sushi today was so tasty |
| 01:07.18 | *** join/#tacobeam Veight` (n=Veight@c-24-118-220-75.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:07.18 | scanlime | so tender and fresh |
| 01:08.16 | scanlime | ok.. I'm off. This problem needs to stew some more in my mind |
| 01:11.22 | *** join/#tacobeam ChipX86 (n=chipx86@galago/ChipX86) |
| 01:11.22 | *** join/#tacobeam TD[gone] (n=nnmike@216.251.189.130) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:11.22 | *** join/#tacobeam darth_mall (n=nnnnevan@64.5.53.250) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
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| 01:31.44 | pagefault_ | ugh |
| 01:31.50 | pagefault_ | my CC bill this month made me fill sick |
| 01:31.54 | pagefault_ | err feel |
| 01:31.59 | file[laptop] | eep |
| 01:32.01 | file[laptop] | was it that bad? |
| 01:32.04 | pagefault_ | yeah |
| 01:32.06 | pagefault_ | bigger than I thought |
| 01:32.20 | pagefault_ | no goodies for me this month |
| 01:32.25 | file[laptop] | that sux |
| 01:32.41 | kergoth | yay, home |
| 01:32.58 | file[laptop] | yay kergoth |
| 01:33.22 | pagefault_ | I think what bothers me the most is that a lot of it is food |
| 01:33.51 | pagefault_ | oh well |
| 01:34.00 | pagefault_ | just think of all the ebay points i'll get |
| 01:34.00 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 01:34.15 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 01:35.14 | kergoth | http://www.moolenaar.net/habits.html |
| 01:35.39 | file[laptop] | pagefault_: lots of Swiss Chalet on it? |
| 01:35.44 | pagefault_ | some |
| 01:35.51 | pagefault_ | lots of late nights and me not feeling like to cook |
| 01:37.10 | pagefault_ | I see the evils of having a CC now |
| 01:37.11 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 01:37.49 | pagefault_ | time to code |
| 01:37.54 | file[laptop] | yay code |
| 01:37.56 | pagefault_ | code will make me feel better |
| 01:37.58 | kergoth | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2117 .. haw |
| 01:38.13 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 01:38.16 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 01:38.26 | pagefault_ | as long as I have enough to pay for WoW |
| 01:38.27 | pagefault_ | my life is good |
| 01:38.42 | numist | yay its cooking now |
| 01:38.48 | numist | thisll take a while |
| 01:38.53 | pagefault_ | WoW > everything |
| 01:38.53 | pagefault_ | hehe |
| 01:39.11 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 01:39.12 | pagefault_ | nice addon |
| 01:39.24 | pagefault_ | are people really that bored they need a game in a game? |
| 01:39.32 | numist | ... |
| 01:39.37 | numist | I wouldnt be surprised |
| 01:39.49 | kergoth | pagefault_: well, when you're waiting for WSG or a group.. |
| 01:39.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:39.51 | ChipX86 | someone should port eliza |
| 01:40.11 | lurgy | pagefault_: ..this from the person who just said life is good if he has WoW? :) |
| 01:40.25 | ChipX86 | need taco graphics :( I like my bowling ball and my outlet isn't *that* bad, but my magnifying glass sucks, and there's a thousand more to do |
| 01:40.29 | ChipX86 | not to mention animation frames |
| 01:40.48 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:41.27 | numist | ChipX86: Ill look into making new ones, but my graphics skills arent |
| 01:41.50 | numist | but I have TIM somewhere so I might be able to work with something |
| 01:42.27 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.43 | pagefault_ | lurgy, it's just odd that people could be bored in WoW |
| 01:42.46 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 01:43.20 | gonkulator | that they need a game in the game to keep it interesting |
| 01:43.27 | pagefault_ | yeah thats pretty bad |
| 01:43.40 | pagefault_ | maybe thats why china is making your stats go down if you play more than 3 hours a day |
| 01:43.48 | kergoth | ooh |
| 01:43.53 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 01:43.54 | kergoth | pagefault_: addons are releasing with 1.7 support |
| 01:43.57 | kergoth | pagefault_: and more than that.. |
| 01:44.03 | kergoth | pagefault_: they're starting to support on demand addon loading.. |
| 01:44.09 | pagefault_ | ooh on demand |
| 01:44.09 | kergoth | (new 1.7 feature) |
| 01:44.10 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:44.11 | pagefault_ | a buzzword |
| 01:44.15 | kergoth | indeed! |
| 01:44.29 | pagefault_ | I guess 1.7 is patching tomorrow |
| 01:44.44 | purple_cow | ``By now, you've read through the rules, and, in theory, have a pretty good idea about what PARANOIA is all about. But reading about how to drive a car isn't the same thing as actually running over the neighbor's dog by accident, is it? No; at a certain point you have to stand up, put the books aside, go out and hit the dog.'' |
| 01:44.54 | pagefault_ | 1.7 is looking good, I think I might respec again |
| 01:44.58 | pagefault_ | although I love my dark pact |
| 01:45.03 | pagefault_ | using my imp as a mana bank |
| 01:45.03 | gonkulator | purple_cow: whats this? |
| 01:45.30 | pagefault_ | on demand like if someone says like |
| 01:45.31 | pagefault_ | leeroy |
| 01:45.36 | pagefault_ | I can get a leeroy spam addon |
| 01:45.38 | pagefault_ | ? |
| 01:45.50 | kergoth | i'm not sure what causes it to load, yet |
| 01:46.07 | pagefault_ | or like on demand, like bills your CC |
| 01:46.16 | pagefault_ | I think blizzard like the latter |
| 01:46.20 | purple_cow | gonkulator: a quotation from the paranoia rulebook |
| 01:46.23 | kergoth | addons arent all kept in memory at all times |
| 01:46.30 | pagefault_ | ahh |
| 01:46.30 | kergoth | with on demand, certain ones can be loaded only when you need them |
| 01:46.34 | pagefault_ | pfft |
| 01:46.36 | pagefault_ | I have 1gb of ram |
| 01:46.39 | kergoth | just not sure how to initiate the load |
| 01:46.41 | pagefault_ | surely it can't be all being used |
| 01:46.53 | kergoth | pagefault_: yes, but consider that some addons have timers and things that could affect performacne. |
| 01:46.56 | kergoth | performance, even |
| 01:47.01 | pagefault_ | ahh true |
| 01:47.10 | pagefault_ | I hope this on demand doesn't slow stuff down more though |
| 01:47.13 | pagefault_ | since it has to load it |
| 01:47.18 | kergoth | yea |
| 01:47.30 | pagefault_ | some are insane |
| 01:47.32 | kergoth | but i'm happier with a one time cost than an all the time cost. |
| 01:47.35 | pagefault_ | and take a few seconds to start up |
| 01:47.40 | kergoth | true |
| 01:47.47 | kergoth | not all addons will indicate they support it though. |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth | its a new field in the .toc |
| 01:48.05 | pagefault_ | I think it's a better idea to just load what you use |
| 01:48.06 | pagefault_ | which I already do |
| 01:48.13 | gonkulator | and on that note, I hit the books again |
| 01:48.30 | pagefault_ | but I guess stuff like shardtracker you don't need as a warrior |
| 01:48.41 | pagefault_ | so why load it |
| 01:49.13 | pagefault_ | I can't live without autobuff |
| 01:49.17 | kergoth | ehe |
| 01:49.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:49.19 | pagefault_ | if that was the only buff I was allowed to have |
| 01:49.20 | kergoth | it spoils ya |
| 01:49.21 | pagefault_ | that would be it |
| 01:49.27 | pagefault_ | err addon |
| 01:49.33 | kergoth | i dunno, i need my auction management tools |
| 01:49.35 | kergoth | to make money |
| 01:49.37 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:49.39 | pagefault_ | haw |
| 01:49.39 | lurgy | pagefault_: :) |
| 01:49.49 | pagefault_ | I like titan a lot too |
| 01:49.53 | kergoth | i cant believe i sold my first epic for 450 gold |
| 01:49.54 | kergoth | i'm a happy camper |
| 01:49.56 | pagefault_ | even though it is kind of gimmicky |
| 01:50.26 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 01:50.51 | pagefault_ | yeah you lucky guy |
| 01:50.59 | pagefault_ | if an epic ever drops someone rolls on it and gets it |
| 01:51.02 | pagefault_ | and uses it |
| 01:51.08 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:51.12 | kergoth | pagefault_: i'm writing an addon for KC_RadialButtons to do automatic minimap icon placement. no more crappy overlapping ugliness and screwy alignment |
| 01:51.14 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:51.21 | kergoth | simple little thing |
| 01:51.25 | pagefault_ | hehe nice |
| 01:51.31 | pagefault_ | I can't live without my epic ring |
| 01:51.34 | kergoth | i like fixing the things that just piss me off |
| 01:51.36 | kergoth | whwat ring? |
| 01:51.40 | pagefault_ | mark of the dragon lord |
| 01:51.44 | pagefault_ | absorbs 500 damage |
| 01:51.47 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:51.56 | pagefault_ | about to die in pvp? |
| 01:51.59 | pagefault_ | I think not |
| 01:51.59 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 01:52.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:52.16 | kergoth | one more level and i get natures swiftness |
| 01:52.18 | pagefault_ | useful in instances too |
| 01:52.22 | kergoth | about to die in pvp? i think not ;) |
| 01:52.23 | pagefault_ | since it adds 22 mana per 3 seconds |
| 01:52.27 | pagefault_ | so if I never get aggro |
| 01:52.30 | pagefault_ | it's like a mana buff |
| 01:52.46 | kergoth | natures swiftness = the next nature magic spell cast with a time of under 10 seconds = instant case |
| 01:52.55 | kergoth | so its a free cast of my best long healing spell |
| 01:52.59 | kergoth | cant wait |
| 01:53.23 | pagefault_ | nice |
| 01:53.30 | pagefault_ | hmm |
| 01:53.32 | pagefault_ | I have something like that |
| 01:53.35 | pagefault_ | nightfall, but it's random |
| 01:53.46 | pagefault_ | 4% chance to get an instant shadow bolt |
| 01:54.18 | pagefault_ | in 1.7 i'll have 5 instant cast spells :) |
| 01:54.19 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:54.19 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/thingies-design.png |
| 01:54.41 | numist | :) |
| 01:54.42 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: you are silly like a kiwi |
| 01:54.44 | ChipX86 | hourglass is very new, so definitely needs work |
| 01:54.49 | kergoth | haha, i love this.. sold two recipes i bought at vendors for 8s a piece, for 2.5g a piece |
| 01:54.52 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 01:54.52 | purple_cow | yay thingies |
| 01:54.56 | numist | ChipX86: is the bowling ball animated as well? |
| 01:55.01 | ChipX86 | eventually |
| 01:55.03 | purple_cow | ChipX86: hourglass? |
| 01:55.04 | kergoth | ooh, thingies |
| 01:55.07 | pagefault_ | silly people buying white recipes |
| 01:55.08 | ChipX86 | errr |
| 01:55.11 | ChipX86 | magnifying glass |
| 01:55.12 | pagefault_ | never buy white recipies |
| 01:55.15 | numist | the ball looks like it's going :o |
| 01:55.23 | ChipX86 | numist: yep :) |
| 01:55.30 | kergoth | pagefault_: i have an addon that shows me what vendors sell the recipe in the tooltip :P |
| 01:55.33 | ChipX86 | it's fun to watch it spin |
| 01:55.35 | kergoth | pagefault_: thank god most people dont have that. |
| 01:55.35 | pagefault_ | hehe |
| 01:55.36 | numist | same with the outlet, for that matter |
| 01:55.37 | numist | :o |
| 01:55.38 | ChipX86 | it's like, "oh no!" |
| 01:55.43 | pagefault_ | but white == bought from a vendor |
| 01:55.48 | pagefault_ | I guess not everyone knows that |
| 01:55.57 | kergoth | some green are at vendors as well, but not very many |
| 01:56.03 | pagefault_ | oh |
| 01:56.08 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:56.15 | ChipX86 | I'm low on gold. I need more |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | got 10g from yesterday's auctions |
| 01:56.35 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 01:56.40 | kergoth | from 1) leather, 2) savory deviate delights, and 3) vendor recipes |
| 01:56.40 | pagefault_ | I suck at making money |
| 01:56.42 | ChipX86 | I miss having 250g |
| 01:56.54 | ChipX86 | I have about another 95g to go to reach that |
| 01:56.59 | kergoth | chip is the moneymaker |
| 01:57.08 | ChipX86 | I was a lot closer until I spetn about 25g in training |
| 01:57.09 | kergoth | i just lucked out on that epic |
| 01:57.22 | kergoth | at level 52 my new spells cost 2.5 a piece. owie. |
| 01:57.27 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 01:57.43 | pagefault_ | yeah it gets pretty bad |
| 01:57.45 | pagefault_ | I only have 26 gold |
| 01:57.52 | pagefault_ | and I have to afford 300g worth of epic mount supplies |
| 01:57.55 | kergoth | ouch |
| 01:58.07 | kergoth | i went to the felwood for the first time yesterday |
| 01:58.09 | pagefault_ | yeah so that will be a while off |
| 01:58.10 | kergoth | i'm 52 and never even been there |
| 01:58.14 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 01:58.15 | kergoth | i've been grinding in un'goro |
| 01:58.20 | kergoth | which is silly.. un'goro is dangerous |
| 01:58.22 | ChipX86 | I should play soon |
| 01:58.22 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:58.28 | ChipX86 | but I should also finish this view-demo program and then release |
| 01:58.35 | pagefault_ | i'm 59 and there are still places i've never been |
| 01:58.59 | pagefault_ | which is good I guess |
| 01:59.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:59.03 | pagefault_ | the world is just too big |
| 01:59.13 | kergoth | damnit guildmap |
| 01:59.18 | kergoth | sometimes it loads sooner and steals channel 1 |
| 01:59.22 | kergoth | so now general is 2 |
| 01:59.29 | pagefault_ | the world is probably getting bigger soon too |
| 01:59.36 | pagefault_ | there are lots of areas you can't even get to yet |
| 01:59.51 | ChipX86 | I hear talk of an expansion pack |
| 01:59.56 | pagefault_ | heh |
| 01:59.58 | pagefault_ | I am preordering that |
| 02:00.00 | pagefault_ | for sure |
| 02:00.08 | ChipX86 | what do you know about it? |
| 02:00.08 | pagefault_ | no way you are going to get a copy in a store for a while |
| 02:00.22 | pagefault_ | nothing |
| 02:00.33 | kergoth | woah, one warsong gulch game yesterday in 51-60 |
| 02:00.35 | pagefault_ | I think thats when hero classes come in |
| 02:00.36 | kergoth | 40 hks |
| 02:00.40 | kergoth | got me 2525 honor |
| 02:00.47 | kergoth | gotta love that |
| 02:00.47 | ChipX86 | I need to get honor |
| 02:00.50 | kergoth | back to grunt i go |
| 02:00.52 | pagefault_ | I was a sargent |
| 02:00.56 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:00.56 | pagefault_ | but now I am grunt again |
| 02:01.13 | ChipX86 | how much honor does it take to get out of grunt? |
| 02:01.13 | pagefault_ | but somehow I can still wear my sargent items |
| 02:01.14 | pagefault_ | hehe |
| 02:01.22 | kergoth | yeah, it goes by max rank, not current |
| 02:01.26 | pagefault_ | ah |
| 02:01.30 | kergoth | ChipX86: it isnt fixed. |
| 02:01.34 | pagefault_ | so it's safe to re-equip it |
| 02:01.36 | kergoth | ChipX86: it depends on how you sit compared to everyone else on the server |
| 02:01.38 | kergoth | ChipX86: that week |
| 02:01.39 | pagefault_ | I was worried if I took it off I couldn't put it back on |
| 02:01.45 | ChipX86 | kergoth: oh, bah |
| 02:01.47 | kergoth | pagefault_: yeah |
| 02:02.11 | pagefault_ | still makes me mad though |
| 02:02.14 | pagefault_ | oh well I guess I need to pvp more |
| 02:02.16 | kergoth | pagefault_: in fact, for a whlie it was bugged. it was going by current rather than max |
| 02:02.21 | kergoth | they fixed it |
| 02:02.30 | kergoth | i need to try AV |
| 02:02.36 | pagefault_ | I usually see the #1 on my server in org |
| 02:02.39 | kergoth | horde folks dont seem to like av much |
| 02:02.44 | pagefault_ | he has all epic gear |
| 02:02.48 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 02:02.49 | ChipX86 | AV? |
| 02:02.54 | kergoth | alterac valley |
| 02:02.56 | kergoth | the other bg |
| 02:02.56 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 02:02.57 | pagefault_ | he's a priest |
| 02:03.00 | ChipX86 | that's out? |
| 02:03.24 | pagefault_ | it's annoying priests use shadow magic though |
| 02:03.24 | kergoth | alterac isnt hte new one |
| 02:03.27 | kergoth | arathi basin is the new one |
| 02:03.32 | pagefault_ | warlocks are supposed to be masters of shadow |
| 02:03.32 | ChipX86 | ohh |
| 02:03.34 | kergoth | alterac valley was out at hte same time warsong was |
| 02:03.43 | ChipX86 | didn't even know about it |
| 02:03.50 | kergoth | ChipX86: you need 40 people on each side |
| 02:03.55 | pagefault_ | well |
| 02:03.58 | pagefault_ | night elf shadow priests |
| 02:04.02 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 02:04.04 | pagefault_ | is like against everything a night elf is about |
| 02:04.05 | ChipX86 | that's a lot |
| 02:04.05 | pagefault_ | heh |
| 02:04.06 | kergoth | you can do it with less, but then you lose :P |
| 02:04.10 | kergoth | horde folks dont do av much |
| 02:04.17 | kergoth | alliance roll a horde char and come into org begging |
| 02:04.20 | kergoth | "come do av!" |
| 02:04.27 | pagefault_ | av usually only gets going on weekends |
| 02:04.37 | kergoth | i'm looking forward to arathi |
| 02:04.46 | pagefault_ | the main problem is that it needs too many players |
| 02:04.48 | pagefault_ | and takes forever to play |
| 02:05.01 | kergoth | nod |
| 02:05.09 | kergoth | probably nice for farming honor from hks though, with that many people |
| 02:05.10 | pagefault_ | it's fun as hell though |
| 02:05.20 | kergoth | less diminishing returns than wsg |
| 02:05.29 | pagefault_ | yeah I wanted to play the new BG on the test server |
| 02:05.32 | pagefault_ | but no one was around |
| 02:05.51 | ChipX86 | screw the test app |
| 02:05.58 | ChipX86 | to WoW I go |
| 02:06.01 | kergoth | yay |
| 02:06.13 | pagefault_ | I want to my char :( |
| 02:06.16 | pagefault_ | err move |
| 02:06.20 | ChipX86 | I'll release that thing later |
| 02:06.26 | kergoth | you and veight need to hit 51 so we can have some fun in wsg :) |
| 02:06.31 | kergoth | its awesome |
| 02:06.32 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:06.38 | ChipX86 | you need to stop levelling so fast ;) |
| 02:06.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:06.57 | pagefault_ | you can pay some koreans to level your char for you |
| 02:06.58 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 02:07.07 | kergoth | i hit 50-51 just from running maraudon and st repeatedly :P |
| 02:07.22 | kergoth | i hit 51-52 from grinding, and the 30,000 free xp from one quest series in azshara |
| 02:07.24 | pagefault_ | hmm |
| 02:07.26 | kergoth | (sp?) |
| 02:07.28 | pagefault_ | WoW Expansion at BlizzCon |
| 02:07.49 | pagefault_ | they had nothing at E3 |
| 02:08.09 | pagefault_ | hmm |
| 02:08.14 | pagefault_ | they are implementing fee based transfers |
| 02:08.19 | pagefault_ | I don't know if that is good or not |
| 02:08.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:08.55 | pagefault_ | I might move my char over to your server if they do that |
| 02:08.59 | pagefault_ | actually I would |
| 02:09.14 | kergoth | i like our guild, nice and cozy |
| 02:10.07 | pagefault_ | apparently they are already testing 1.8 |
| 02:10.48 | pagefault_ | anyway |
| 02:10.52 | pagefault_ | good post on WoW.com you should all read |
| 02:10.53 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 02:11.53 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 02:11.54 | kergoth | i like http://www.geocities.com/peniaman/impalers/chiken.jpg |
| 02:12.26 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 02:12.46 | pagefault_ | thats pretty bad |
| 02:12.54 | pagefault_ | you have a cake with the WoW logo on it for your birthday |
| 02:13.00 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 02:14.09 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 02:14.12 | pagefault_ | bliz really likes their infernals |
| 02:14.17 | pagefault_ | they have two wallpapers with them now |
| 02:14.36 | kergoth | " We still fully intend to implement Ravasaur training into the game but unfortunately, it isn't something currently slated until a later patch. In the meantime feel free to visit the Troll Ravasaur trainer in Un'Goro and offer him your support. He's been very lonely." |
| 02:14.41 | kergoth | thats gonna rock |
| 02:14.44 | kergoth | i want to ride a ravasaur |
| 02:14.56 | pagefault_ | I want to ride devilsaur |
| 02:15.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15.14 | pagefault_ | or my succubus |
| 02:15.15 | kergoth | you'd be so high up we couldnt even see you :P |
| 02:15.20 | pagefault_ | she should at least hop on the back of my horse |
| 02:15.25 | pagefault_ | running along my side is no way for a lady to travel |
| 02:15.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15.34 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 02:16.13 | pagefault_ | I wonder if anyone still plays EQ2 |
| 02:16.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.20 | kergoth | I gotta say, the language filter certainly has a way of stirring up the old imagination. |
| 02:16.20 | kergoth | is it a cat made out of feces? |
| 02:16.21 | kergoth | is it part porn-elemental? |
| 02:16.23 | kergoth | is it prone to sexual assault? |
| 02:16.25 | kergoth | these answers, and more at eleven. |
| 02:16.27 | kergoth | </quote> |
| 02:16.59 | pagefault_ | the filter is silly |
| 02:17.55 | pagefault_ | did you read the new blizcon post |
| 02:18.45 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:18.46 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 02:18.59 | pagefault_ | I would go to blizcon, but I have a life |
| 02:19.00 | pagefault_ | hehe |
| 02:20.13 | pagefault_ | I think I am going to be addicted to AoE3 soon |
| 02:24.57 | kergoth | my grandpa just died. |
| 02:25.06 | kergoth | sudden, my dad didnt even have time to go over there |
| 02:25.19 | pagefault_ | :( |
| 02:25.21 | pagefault_ | i'm sorry |
| 02:28.31 | kergoth | :( |
| 02:28.41 | kergoth | didnt really know him all that well, and until recently hadnt seen him in 5 years or so, but still |
| 02:28.41 | kergoth | sucks |
| 02:30.11 | pagefault_ | :( |
| 02:30.38 | kergoth | why is firefox using 98% of my cpu? |
| 02:30.44 | kergoth | its hard to play wow that way |
| 02:30.59 | pagefault_ | yeah |
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| 03:21.27 | kergoth | http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1563/is_n5_v10/ai_12193885 |
| 03:21.27 | kergoth | lol |
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| 04:03.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:03.23 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:04.38 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/gemini_users.c: Fixed multiple contacts of same contact problem... sleep? NO SLEEP! |
| 04:07.33 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 04:07.53 | kergoth | i lose lots of things. i lose my keys.. i lose my phone.. last week i even lost a kernel tree |
| 04:08.01 | kergoth | but somehow i managed to lose a bottle of hennessy cognac |
| 04:08.12 | darth_mall | I drank it |
| 04:08.13 | darth_mall | sorry |
| 04:08.18 | darth_mall | that happens sometimes |
| 04:08.22 | kergoth | oh |
| 04:08.24 | kergoth | thats okay then |
| 04:08.32 | pagefault_ | oh |
| 04:08.34 | pagefault_ | I so want to see this movie |
| 04:08.36 | pagefault_ | corpse bride |
| 04:08.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09.06 | pagefault_ | it looks so cool |
| 04:09.10 | pagefault_ | and the nightmare before christmas was so good |
| 04:11.05 | pagefault_ | maybe |
| 04:11.10 | pagefault_ | I don't know much about it |
| 04:11.39 | file | sleep is for the weak... or so they tell me |
| 04:12.48 | darth_mall | wtf |
| 04:12.56 | darth_mall | Nate e-mailed me files he didn't change |
| 04:13.47 | numist | yay for people who just don't get it |
| 04:13.58 | pagefault_ | hah |
| 04:14.01 | pagefault_ | this south park is great |
| 04:14.04 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (5 files): General overall commit to shut this the fuck up |
| 04:20.52 | kergoth | haha, Pop Rocks is listed on the idrink.com ingredient list |
| 04:22.02 | purple_cow | blah |
| 04:22.08 | darth_mall | blah? |
| 04:22.12 | darth_mall | me too >< |
| 04:22.22 | darth_mall | purple_cow: so I thought I'd ask Pinky about Paranoia, what say you? |
| 04:22.32 | purple_cow | sure |
| 04:25.13 | purple_cow | i think for the first mission, i'll make you guys use the supplied characters, and after that, on the off chance they survive, you can choose to keep them or roll your own |
| 04:25.32 | numist | cia just pang out of #sdcolleges@shadowfire |
| 04:25.45 | numist | more python memory happiness? |
| 04:26.04 | scanlime | it seems to be fine in #commits |
| 04:26.09 | numist | hmm |
| 04:26.26 | numist | its not on shadowfire at all, #promods is also empty |
| 04:26.35 | numist | of cia happyness |
| 04:26.48 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 04:26.59 | darth_mall | someone needs to teach Nate about this thing called whitespace |
| 04:27.27 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_calls.h gemini_distribute.c): Add branch flag to a call so if it's branched, don't distribute it. |
| 04:28.37 | file | haha I just tried to commit something that isn't in CVS yet, beautiful |
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| 04:37.41 | kergoth | http://www.absinthe.bz/store/absinthe-cannabis-vodka.html .. iiiinteresting |
| 04:46.27 | scanlime | heh. It makes note that the silly cannabis vodka can ship legally to all countries, but no such note on the absinthe ;) |
| 04:46.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:46.50 | kergoth | it isnt legal to sell absinthe in the us, but they can legally ship it to customers here |
| 04:46.51 | kergoth | which is odd |
| 04:46.58 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:46.59 | scanlime | yeah |
| 04:47.00 | numist | nice, gotta love the law |
| 04:47.02 | kergoth | erm, its legal for us customers to buy it from them, that is |
| 04:47.08 | pagefault_ | they sell it in the booze store here |
| 04:47.11 | pagefault_ | but it's awful expensive |
| 04:47.12 | numist | scanlime: how did you implement metadata? database or flatfiles? |
| 04:47.20 | kergoth | pagefault_: i've never tried it, but want to |
| 04:47.22 | purple_cow | kergoth: the duties on it are enormous |
| 04:47.33 | pagefault_ | yeah me too |
| 04:47.35 | scanlime | numist: in what? |
| 04:47.36 | pagefault_ | but I want real stuff |
| 04:47.41 | purple_cow | if they allowed importers to sell it, they wouldn't make as much money off it |
| 04:47.43 | kergoth | its $25 flat rate shipping through absinthe.bz |
| 04:47.43 | numist | scanlime: cia |
| 04:47.46 | kergoth | owie |
| 04:47.51 | scanlime | numist: MySQL |
| 04:47.58 | numist | hrm |
| 04:48.10 | pagefault_ | apparently the effects are similar to that of cannabis |
| 04:48.11 | scanlime | kergoth: I had some absinthe in canada.. dunno if this was just lousy stuff or what, but it just tasted and felt like really strong vodka |
| 04:48.22 | kergoth | :\ |
| 04:48.29 | nullpuppy | how did you drink it? |
| 04:48.51 | scanlime | it was their silly tourist-pleasing method.. poured over a spoon with sugar in it, then lit on fire |
| 04:48.52 | pagefault_ | I don't think the stuff they sell here has enough active ingredient |
| 04:49.06 | numist | fire? :o |
| 04:49.07 | scanlime | pagefault_: nod. from what I've read you have to really get a lot of it... |
| 04:49.08 | kergoth | "New research indicates, however that thujone blocks GABA-A receptors in the brain which inhibit the firing of brain cells, once these receptors are blocked, the brain is free to fire at will. This is why despite the very high alcohol content, absinthe drinkers report being clear headed, even after consuming amounts of alcohol that would usually put them into a stupor. The bulk, however of absinthe's effects is caused by the very |
| 04:49.08 | kergoth | high alcohol content." |
| 04:49.09 | kergoth | interesting |
| 04:49.20 | nullpuppy | scanlime: minus the fire, thats the proper way... |
| 04:49.22 | scanlime | I can definitely vouch for the very high alcohol content |
| 04:49.26 | scanlime | nullpuppy: I know |
| 04:49.48 | numist | kergoth: :o |
| 04:49.52 | nullpuppy | kergoth: hmmm, interesting, good to know... |
| 04:49.58 | kergoth | http://www.absinthe.bz/faq.html |
| 04:50.00 | pagefault_ | there are a bunch of sites online that sell it not sure how good it is though |
| 04:50.07 | file[laptop] | sweet my in ear headphones might arrive tomorrow |
| 04:50.08 | numist | thats why you always feel like you're good to drive after a bender |
| 04:50.12 | nullpuppy | i'm considering making some beer or cider with wormwood ... :) |
| 04:50.13 | kergoth | pagefault_: this place has one that has 100mg of hte active ingredient |
| 04:50.18 | kergoth | pagefault_: as opposed to the typical 10 |
| 04:50.22 | pagefault_ | it's funny you mention it |
| 04:50.26 | pagefault_ | I was talking about the stuff today with a friend |
| 04:51.05 | pagefault_ | want to see if the so called green fairy shows up |
| 04:51.05 | pagefault_ | :) |
| 04:51.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:51.15 | kergoth | did you see Eurotrip? |
| 04:51.33 | pagefault_ | nah |
| 04:51.52 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r119 10census/ (13 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:51.52 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: boo visual studio, adding newlines to the end of every file... |
| 04:51.52 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: also, double instances on a page result in only one db increment, saves a _lot_ of cpu time and mysql load - yay! |
| 04:52.13 | nullpuppy | hrm.. really need to find out how much wormwood/thujone is toxic... |
| 04:52.16 | kergoth | it was great. they're all drinking it. person 1 says "well what the hell, i dont feel anything. do you feel anything?". person two says the same thing. the floating green fairy next to person two says fuck no man, i dont feel anything |
| 04:52.30 | pagefault_ | hehe |
| 04:52.45 | pagefault_ | but canabis alcohol? thats silly |
| 04:52.50 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:52.53 | pagefault_ | since THC is only soilable in fat |
| 04:53.12 | numist | soilable? dont soil on my cannabis! |
| 04:53.14 | kergoth | ~spell soluble |
| 04:53.17 | pagefault_ | thats why you make brownies :P |
| 04:54.41 | purple_cow | pagefault_: that's not the point of it |
| 04:54.58 | purple_cow | the point is that people think they're being rebels :P |
| 04:55.02 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 04:55.07 | pagefault_ | I guess like the "buzz" beer they sell here |
| 04:55.14 | pagefault_ | it's called buzz but it's made with hemp |
| 04:56.14 | scanlime | lurgy: let's see how you feel about an entire year of that :P |
| 04:56.27 | pagefault_ | checking wikipedia about it :P |
| 04:56.32 | lurgy | scanlime: pretty annoyed, it would drive me crazy ;) |
| 04:56.36 | lurgy | which is part of why i don't live in CA |
| 04:56.42 | scanlime | :) |
| 04:56.48 | scanlime | mmmm.. chicken parmesan and pasta |
| 04:56.50 | file[laptop] | I should go to sleep |
| 04:56.51 | lurgy | mmm |
| 04:56.53 | file[laptop] | lurgy: Canada! |
| 04:56.55 | kergoth | haha, wtf |
| 04:56.56 | kergoth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29 |
| 04:57.07 | kergoth | can someone tell me why "Dry mouth" is listed under Situationally desirable effects? |
| 04:57.12 | kergoth | rahter htan generally undesirable ones? |
| 04:57.46 | purple_cow | kergoth: because it's funny when the person you're talking to has trouble speaking |
| 04:57.50 | lurgy | file[laptop]: like.. yukon type canada |
| 04:57.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:57.58 | pagefault_ | cottonmouth |
| 04:57.58 | pagefault_ | :P |
| 04:58.12 | file[laptop] | lurgy: that's still Canada |
| 04:58.14 | purple_cow | huh, apparently it causes trouble eating |
| 04:58.18 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 04:58.20 | purple_cow | so you won't gain weight when you get the munchies |
| 04:58.21 | pagefault_ | I don't think so |
| 04:58.22 | numist | ... |
| 04:58.47 | pagefault_ | those commercials the us government puts on tv are funny |
| 04:58.53 | lurgy | file[laptop]: yes it is, but away from people, as i understand, so it might as well be neptune.. :) |
| 04:58.59 | pagefault_ | saying pot is so bad for you and you will ruin your life with a tiny amount |
| 04:59.05 | file[laptop] | lurgy: or pluto |
| 04:59.10 | pagefault_ | yet there is nothing about meth which is way cheaper and way more dangerous |
| 05:00.52 | pagefault_ | I can't find any info on the dosage of thujone |
| 05:01.45 | pagefault_ | ah |
| 05:01.54 | pagefault_ | LD is 500mg/kg in a mouse |
| 05:02.17 | file[laptop] | yeah... goodnight1 |
| 05:02.21 | kergoth | http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/recipes/bhang-ki-thandai.html .. interesting |
| 05:02.22 | pagefault_ | night file |
| 05:02.24 | nullpuppy | hmm, ok |
| 05:02.43 | pagefault_ | I think chemcials are interesting, thats all :) |
| 05:02.54 | purple_cow | numist: beers with coffee are muchly tasty |
| 05:03.03 | numist | purple_cow: except coffee does bad things to me |
| 05:03.12 | numist | you canhvae my coffee :) |
| 05:03.18 | kergoth | check out that link i posted |
| 05:03.22 | numist | with a space and proper spelling in there somewhere |
| 05:04.42 | pagefault_ | haha |
| 05:04.44 | pagefault_ | poppy seeds |
| 05:04.49 | pagefault_ | I hope not opium poppies |
| 05:04.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:05.10 | kergoth | that looks interesting though |
| 05:05.27 | pagefault_ | yeah |
| 05:09.54 | kergoth | The pot-infused Cannabis Vodka kind of smelled like paint thinner, definitely looked like urine, and tasted like the two combined. "It's like weed-flavoured Tobasco and Scope!" Alex spat out. |
| 05:10.08 | pagefault_ | ugh |
| 05:10.30 | scanlime | woo, speaker stands |
| 05:12.20 | pagefault_ | ah well |
| 05:12.23 | pagefault_ | it would be interesting to try |
| 05:13.22 | scanlime | wow |
| 05:13.38 | scanlime | these speakers definitely sound better mounted on stands than sitting on the mi6k and the subwoofer |
| 05:13.43 | scanlime | that must have been causing some nasty resonance |
| 05:15.29 | purple_cow | http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-09-12T132553Z_01_MAR248374_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-BOSNIA-BRUCELEE.XML |
| 05:16.16 | kergoth | ..weird |
| 05:16.17 | scanlime | haha, neat |
| 05:19.14 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:21.11 | scanlime | I found a non-horrendously-overpriced TV stand =D |
| 05:21.20 | scanlime | $50.. and it's just barely big enough for my TV's base |
| 05:21.29 | scanlime | the TV itself is going to make it look very tiny |
| 05:22.39 | purple_cow | the ipod nano may not support ogg, but it looks so cute |
| 05:23.29 | scanlime | yeah |
| 05:26.11 | numist | scanlime: is it strong enough? |
| 05:27.01 | scanlime | fuck |
| 05:27.06 | scanlime | numist: it looks pretty sturdy |
| 05:27.20 | scanlime | but I guess I don't have a TV stand after all.. there's a giant crack in one of the front corners |
| 05:27.25 | kergoth | :( |
| 05:27.38 | scanlime | this was the only one Fry's had in stock, and it had come open in storage |
| 05:27.51 | scanlime | looked Ok in the store... |
| 05:28.06 | scanlime | but ah well. I'll get my money back for this one, but that still leaves me looking for a stand. |
| 05:28.36 | scanlime | but.. I have speaker stands, a tasty dinner, and some guinness ;) |
| 05:29.31 | purple_cow | where did you get the speaker stands and what do they look like? |
| 05:29.32 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:30.00 | scanlime | sillver telescoping pole, curved silver base with a really nice welding job |
| 05:30.03 | scanlime | they also come in black |
| 05:30.09 | scanlime | got 'em at Fry's in Sunnyvale |
| 05:30.23 | scanlime | it's really odd, the Sunnyvale Fry's is a lot bigger than the one in Palo Alto |
| 05:30.25 | numist | scanlime: build one? |
| 05:30.41 | numist | the brokaw fry's in sj is huge too |
| 05:30.52 | purple_cow | scanlime: what brand? :) |
| 05:30.57 | scanlime | numist: I don't trust my (wood|metal)working skills that much |
| 05:31.11 | scanlime | purple_cow: StudioTech SAT-4 |
| 05:31.28 | numist | scanlime: Ill build you one then :) |
| 05:31.36 | scanlime | I'll need longer speaker cable, but these even let you run the speaker wire down inside the pole and all that |
| 05:31.45 | numist | admittedly, youd be better off going to tweeters, fry's, or a real furniture store though |
| 05:31.56 | scanlime | I've been to real furniture stores, they don't have any particleboard :P |
| 05:32.02 | scanlime | I'm too cheap for Real Wood (tm) |
| 05:32.20 | numist | actually... |
| 05:32.28 | numist | Carrie's dad owns a cabinetmaking company |
| 05:32.40 | numist | give me specs and we might be able to work something out sometime |
| 05:32.55 | numist | cad your own :) |
| 05:33.16 | scanlime | heh |
| 05:33.27 | pagefault_ | I want one of those 3d printers |
| 05:33.39 | numist | pagefault_: a CNC machine? |
| 05:33.42 | pagefault_ | yeah |
| 05:34.58 | pagefault_ | I wonder when we will get those in the common home |
| 05:35.31 | pagefault_ | seems cool you can design something in a CAD program then print it |
| 05:35.37 | pagefault_ | and then you have it |
| 05:36.20 | pagefault_ | hmm |
| 05:36.27 | nullpuppy | http://www.racksandstands.com/prods/StudioTech/Sat4-B-or-Sat4-S/0PSO0073.htm |
| 05:36.28 | pagefault_ | printing isn't quite the right word |
| 05:36.32 | nullpuppy | scanlime: those? |
| 05:37.13 | pagefault_ | would be cool to be common |
| 05:37.16 | pagefault_ | I want one that can make food though |
| 05:37.50 | scanlime | nullpuppy: yep |
| 05:38.01 | pagefault_ | everyone could just stay home and download their meals |
| 05:38.55 | purple_cow | scanlime: what's the pixel resolution on 720p? |
| 05:39.02 | pagefault_ | I need to set up a common home directory for my server |
| 05:39.03 | pagefault_ | but |
| 05:39.07 | pagefault_ | before that |
| 05:39.11 | pagefault_ | I need to format the drive again uh |
| 05:39.15 | pagefault_ | bleh |
| 05:39.22 | pagefault_ | anyway bed time |
| 05:39.26 | scanlime | purple_cow: 1280x720 is typical, but it can vary between TVs |
| 05:39.28 | pagefault_ | night |
| 05:42.42 | numist | someone do me a favor and post a comment on my blog? thunderbird wont accept feeds with 0 articles |
| 05:44.17 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r13 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: video resolutions |
| 05:44.43 | purple_cow | so it turns out the only requirements the sponsor is giving us is that it supports TV & HDTV resolutions, and it can handle large media collections |
| 05:44.57 | purple_cow | no platform requirements, no specific functional requirements |
| 05:44.58 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 05:44.58 | purple_cow | :D |
| 05:45.02 | ChipX86 | can you get an HDTV from him? ;) |
| 05:45.12 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:45.14 | purple_cow | unlikely |
| 05:45.26 | purple_cow | but i'm fine with my normal TV |
| 05:45.36 | purple_cow | for NTSC it looks phenominal |
| 05:46.17 | scanlime | where's the smrt repository? |
| 05:46.51 | purple_cow | scanlime: on zero |
| 05:46.55 | purple_cow | (hope that's OK) |
| 05:47.01 | scanlime | sure |
| 05:47.39 | purple_cow | there's really nothing interesting there yet |
| 05:47.50 | purple_cow | just an updated bmovl2 patch and a skeleton initial requirements doc |
| 05:50.13 | scanlime | are you planning on supporting non-square pixels? |
| 05:50.26 | numist | hehe |
| 05:50.58 | scanlime | I don't think any of us have such hardware, but some HDTV panels use non-square pixels and this would matter if you can run them with a 1:1 pixel mapping |
| 05:51.12 | purple_cow | scanlime: even if we don't write it explicitly, it wouldn't be hard to let you just fiddle with the viewport a bit |
| 05:51.17 | scanlime | lotsa crazy resolutions out there, like 1024x1024 at 16:9 |
| 05:51.21 | scanlime | nod |
| 05:52.04 | purple_cow | and especially if this is working on top of your evfs stuff, we can really do whatever we want |
| 05:52.10 | scanlime | purple_cow: it just seems like a good reason to always configure aspect ratio separate from resolution. A lot of TVs will end up with very slightly non-square pixels. In fact, configurable overscan and such would be nice too :) |
| 05:52.25 | scanlime | heh, evfs doesn't affect the GUI at all |
| 05:52.33 | scanlime | ok, Jungle Deluxe is indeed messed up |
| 05:52.40 | purple_cow | well, but it's a blanker slate than freevo is |
| 05:52.44 | purple_cow | scanlime: hehehehehehe |
| 05:52.45 | purple_cow | yep |
| 05:52.53 | purple_cow | you need to watch all of paranoia agent |
| 05:52.56 | purple_cow | that show will blow your mind |
| 05:52.58 | scanlime | yes |
| 05:53.04 | scanlime | wonder which disks it's on.. |
| 05:53.05 | purple_cow | man it gets weird near the end |
| 05:53.41 | purple_cow | scanlime: i doubt we'll care at all about overscan, since we're just talking to opengl |
| 05:53.58 | purple_cow | and overscan is something done either in xorg.conf or with nvtv |
| 05:54.09 | scanlime | purple_cow: sometimes you'll want a little bit of overscan, but the GUI will need to know the 'safe' area to draw objects that need to be visible |
| 05:54.20 | ChipX86 | that's been a problem on my TV |
| 05:54.36 | ChipX86 | if Media Portal let me fully specify the UI boundaries, I'd be happy, but it doesn't, and I can't do a thing about it |
| 05:55.21 | purple_cow | scanlime: ah |
| 05:55.34 | purple_cow | yeah, that's another thing that even if we don't explicitly write it, wouldn't be hard to hack in |
| 05:55.56 | scanlime | yup. thank goodness for the modelview matrix, that. |
| 05:55.56 | purple_cow | if we end up working "from scratch", i imagine we'll just have a display object that you can initialize however you like |
| 05:56.08 | purple_cow | i think in general that's all viewport stuff ;) |
| 05:56.38 | scanlime | well, you might still want the background image/video/whatever to draw in the overscan area while you keep the actual UI out of it |
| 05:57.09 | purple_cow | that's silly :P |
| 05:57.20 | scanlime | why? |
| 05:58.03 | scanlime | I'd much rather have the background neatly filling up the entire screen rather than having a small black strip, assuming you can't calibrate the overscan perfectly |
| 05:58.09 | purple_cow | might as well just let them overscan however much they want and place the viewport wherever they want, but require that what gets displayed is flush |
| 05:58.16 | scanlime | bah |
| 05:58.20 | scanlime | look at what video games do |
| 05:58.35 | purple_cow | if you can tweak viewport dimensions on a per-pixel basis, you can get it good enough :P |
| 05:58.58 | scanlime | the issue is the NTSC 'safe content area' |
| 05:59.25 | scanlime | not everybody can adjust overscan that accurately, and in most TVs the picture actually changes size as the brightness changes |
| 05:59.36 | scanlime | so you want to overlap the edges of the TV's visible area, to avoid black borders |
| 05:59.42 | scanlime | it's a good idea really |
| 05:59.51 | purple_cow | yeah, i suppose |
| 05:59.57 | scanlime | so the NTSC spec defines an area where things like stock tickers, on-screen displays, and such are allowed to be in |
| 06:00.05 | scanlime | it's the area that's guaranteed to be visible on the TV |
| 06:01.14 | scanlime | people with super-fancy TVs or jedi-like control of nvtv won't need it, but it makes a good default in any situation and it makes the GUI usable on TVs with bad voltage regulation |
| 06:01.57 | scanlime | nod |
| 06:02.08 | purple_cow | i think in this case, super-fancy just means flat-tube from a halfway decent brand :P |
| 06:02.13 | scanlime | newer or high-end tubes are pretty good at voltage regulation |
| 06:02.29 | purple_cow | numist: not true :P |
| 06:02.31 | scanlime | yeah |
| 06:02.36 | numist | first Ive seen it in here :) |
| 06:02.43 | scanlime | numist: we've had wasabi for a long time, I just didn't have to mess with it because it just worked |
| 06:02.49 | numist | hehe |
| 06:02.51 | ChipX86 | scanlime: what size and type TV did you get? |
| 06:02.56 | numist | gnight folks |
| 06:03.00 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 06:03.05 | scanlime | ChipX86: Panasonic 42" plasma EDTV |
| 06:03.16 | ChipX86 | any complaints? |
| 06:03.33 | scanlime | ChipX86: if you have an extra $1000 to blow, get the HDTV version.. but I heartily recommend Panasonic- the picture quality just blows every other manufacturer away |
| 06:03.36 | scanlime | some small ones |
| 06:03.52 | ChipX86 | I worry about the life of plasmas |
| 06:03.58 | scanlime | I haven't yet seen the HDMI input work on sources from a DVI video card |
| 06:03.58 | ChipX86 | but 3 years from now I'm sure I can buy a new one |
| 06:04.07 | scanlime | and in some situations you can see dithering patterns on the display |
| 06:04.14 | scanlime | and I haven't been able to get a 1:1 pixel mapping |
| 06:04.19 | scanlime | other than that, it's been flawless |
| 06:04.37 | scanlime | ChipX86: plasma life is way better than it used to be. You should be able to expect 8 years or so of life out of it |
| 06:04.47 | ChipX86 | oh, in 8 years I'll want a new one anyway |
| 06:05.10 | ChipX86 | prices are so expensive |
| 06:05.27 | scanlime | HDTV is muchly shiny, but if you just watch DVDs and downloaded stuff an EDTV is just as good |
| 06:06.44 | purple_cow | hmm |
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| 06:10.33 | scanlime | purple_cow: uh oh :) |
| 06:12.10 | ChipX86 | svg has animation support |
| 06:12.29 | scanlime | I thought you had to do the animation with javascript or something external like that? |
| 06:12.48 | ChipX86 | for the most part you do, but I think it has some kind of small built-in support |
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| 06:12.56 | ChipX86 | I wonder what could be done programatically from C# |
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| 06:13.41 | ChipX86 | bbl, watching tv |
| 06:21.53 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r120 10census/TODO.txt: metadata outline, db restructure outline |
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| 06:23.20 | ChipX86 | I bet this whole game could be written in javascript |
| 06:28.59 | scanlime | ooh.. this fan is much quieter |
| 06:29.04 | scanlime | and I found an even crazier way to mount it |
| 06:37.16 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/micahs-tv/p1010024 |
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| 06:41.28 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 06:41.36 | purple_cow | somehow i don't think those stands would support my speakers... |
| 06:42.45 | scanlime | what kind of mounts do those speakers havE? |
| 06:43.10 | scanlime | the stands came with a flat bracket and a right-angle bracket, plus foam tape |
| 06:43.18 | purple_cow | just a flat base |
| 06:43.26 | scanlime | I'm using the foam tape right now, but these speakers do have a threaded mount on the back.. I just need the right size screws for it |
| 06:43.26 | scanlime | ah |
| 06:43.38 | scanlime | yeah, might want bigger stands for those.. |
| 06:43.38 | purple_cow | what weight do those support? |
| 06:43.52 | scanlime | well, these stands are really sturdy but I'd be worried about them tipping over with such big speakers |
| 06:44.40 | scanlime | you probably want something that isn't just a single pole, something that gives you a wider platform for the speakers |
| 06:44.56 | scanlime | oh yeah, the fan... |
| 06:45.06 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/server-cabinet |
| 06:45.16 | scanlime | I found some of those awesome adhesive-backed zip tie anchors at fry's |
| 06:46.47 | nullpuppy | neat |
| 06:46.51 | scanlime | and that's the same nifty ball-bearing 120mm fan I got for mini-navi |
| 06:51.18 | purple_cow | man this is weird |
| 06:51.35 | purple_cow | it's like i'm actually capable of making a reasonable decision about writing in the first person |
| 06:52.05 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:56.12 | scanlime | :( |
| 06:56.31 | scanlime | so far at least, they're cute and harmless :P |
| 06:56.38 | scanlime | should I avoid feeding them after midnight? |
| 06:56.53 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:57.02 | purple_cow | do you have the whole series? |
| 06:57.17 | scanlime | yes. It was split across a couple hard disks, but I have it all in mini-navi now |
| 06:57.24 | purple_cow | cool beans |
| 06:57.28 | scanlime | at least I think this is all of it |
| 06:58.20 | purple_cow | 13 episodes? |
| 06:58.25 | scanlime | yeah.. 13_final_episode.avi would seem to indicate that |
| 06:58.25 | scanlime | neat |
| 06:58.41 | scanlime | and I have two copies of 8 with different names? |
| 06:58.55 | purple_cow | weird |
| 06:59.12 | purple_cow | 1230412a6f652c12f139eed9639a656e 08_cheerful_family_planning.avi |
| 07:00.35 | purple_cow | hmm. some of damien rice's songs have unbelievably cool 'cello parts |
| 07:02.51 | purple_cow | scanlime: chances are they're the same episode. there are a couple different translations of the title |
| 07:03.51 | scanlime | yeah. It just found the same md5sum for 08_a_bright_family_plan.avi |
| 07:06.17 | purple_cow | hah, cool |
| 07:06.26 | purple_cow | they're showing paranoia agent on adult swim |
| 07:06.57 | scanlime | do you have cable? |
| 07:07.21 | purple_cow | nope |
| 07:07.30 | purple_cow | i'm just tickled when they show good stuff on american TV |
| 07:08.23 | purple_cow | ah no, that's not the one with the math |
| 07:08.35 | purple_cow | but it's hilarious |
| 07:10.02 | scanlime | it's probably dubbed :( |
| 07:10.35 | purple_cow | probably |
| 07:10.45 | purple_cow | but at least they're showing it |
| 07:10.57 | purple_cow | american audiences have almost no tolerance for subtitles |
| 07:11.54 | scanlime | =( |
| 07:18.50 | purple_cow | ok, i give up on this paper thingy for tonight |
| 07:19.19 | purple_cow | time to watch anime and look at my paranoia book |
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| 08:29.11 | purple_cow | ........ |
| 08:29.14 | purple_cow | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=353248&aid=1289498&group_id=3248 |
| 08:29.18 | ChipX86 | ARGH damn you inkscape |
| 08:29.21 | ChipX86 | I spent forever on that |
| 08:29.34 | purple_cow | :( |
| 08:30.57 | ChipX86 | awesome, it backed up an old version. Thanks a lot. |
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| 08:43.41 | ChipX86 | hey :) |
| 08:43.46 | Nara | Mwuahahaha! |
| 08:44.18 | Nara | Who's currently active? |
| 08:44.24 | Nara | Just you? |
| 08:44.26 | ChipX86 | me, and I think everyone else went to bed |
| 08:44.33 | Nara | booooring |
| 08:44.36 | ChipX86 | which I really should be doing soon.. my sleep is all screwed up |
| 08:44.36 | Nara | XP |
| 08:44.41 | ChipX86 | it's more active during the day |
| 08:44.43 | Nara | screw sleep |
| 08:44.49 | ChipX86 | been doing that :( |
| 08:44.52 | Nara | lol |
| 08:44.56 | ChipX86 | it's not working out for me |
| 08:46.01 | Nara | I SHOULD sleep too |
| 08:46.11 | Nara | but I'm enjoying my music too much |
| 08:46.25 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:46.50 | Nara | Lamb - Gorecki |
| 08:46.56 | Nara | think I gave it to you |
| 08:47.00 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:47.05 | Nara | goood song |
| 08:47.06 | ChipX86 | I haven't listened to it all yet |
| 08:47.12 | Nara | blasphemy |
| 08:49.09 | Nara | I have a new character |
| 08:49.53 | Nara | her name is Kyrie Eleison, and she's a priest pirate, with a monacle-eyepatch |
| 08:50.00 | ChipX86 | cool, D&D? |
| 08:50.07 | Nara | no, just RP |
| 08:50.10 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 08:50.28 | Nara | Though she would make a cool D&D chara |
| 08:51.42 | ChipX86 | I miss D&D |
| 08:52.00 | ChipX86 | really, I guess it's the getting together with everyone and playing a game that I miss |
| 08:52.18 | Nara | me too...no one invites me to games anymore |
| 08:52.24 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 08:55.36 | ChipX86 | I would never not invite you to a game |
| 08:56.18 | Nara | ^__^ Thankies |
| 08:56.45 | Nara | Well, I'mma go to bed, you should too |
| 08:56.49 | ChipX86 | yeah :/ |
| 08:56.52 | ChipX86 | in a sec... |
| 08:57.00 | Nara | nighters *hugs* |
| 08:57.03 | ChipX86 | got to make this ball spin |
| 08:57.07 | ChipX86 | *hugs* g'night |
| 08:57.11 | Nara | weirdo... |
| 08:57.13 | Nara | XD |
| 08:57.15 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:58.23 | ToyKeeper | Well, that was odd. |
| 09:58.34 | ToyKeeper | Hot fudge sunday pop tarts. |
| 09:59.00 | rioter | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.01 | rioter | hehe |
| 09:59.01 | ToyKeeper | It's got something yogurt-like or frosting-like inside. |
| 09:59.46 | ToyKeeper | But it's funny every single time. :) |
| 10:00.05 | rioter | first time ive seen it :( |
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| 13:02.50 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:03.22 | prpplague | scanlime: ping |
| 13:17.26 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: 03micah * r1949 10/data/DSA/list: |
| 13:21.06 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: New mozilla DSA |
| 13:21.06 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: Corrected missing "not" in squid DSA |
| 13:28.19 | ToyKeeper | merry something or other |
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| 14:43.42 | file[laptop] | ugh... awake |
| 15:00.00 | kergoth | bleh |
| 15:00.03 | kergoth | ugh is right |
| 15:01.33 | kergoth | woke up late, the alarm was off |
| 15:01.44 | kergoth | someone broke in and shut the alarm off, i swear |
| 15:02.08 | file[laptop] | I bet |
| 15:02.58 | numist | mornings rock, provided you have someone important to share them with in bed. |
| 15:08.47 | kergoth | heh, thats always nice, as long as neither of you have to go to work :P |
| 15:10.42 | numist | she had school, I got to roll over |
| 15:10.46 | numist | works for me :) |
| 15:11.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:12.17 | darth_mall | bah |
| 15:12.19 | darth_mall | not enough regular coffee for a pot and we're out of half & half |
| 15:13.05 | kergoth | :( |
| 15:14.53 | darth_mall | jesus |
| 15:15.08 | darth_mall | Constitution Day is actually in this Buff Bulletin |
| 15:15.18 | kergoth | wtf is constitution day |
| 15:17.07 | darth_mall | you don't remember hearing about that last year? |
| 15:17.27 | darth_mall | it's some new fun-filled holiday Dubbya invented |
| 15:17.43 | darth_mall | it is mandatory that all schools spend Constitution day teaching about the constitution |
| 15:22.07 | darth_mall | I don't think we have any breakfast food though >< |
| 15:27.24 | darth_mall | oooh |
| 15:27.25 | darth_mall | I was wrong |
| 15:27.27 | darth_mall | oatmeal ^^ |
| 15:32.05 | kergoth | ~emulate gir |
| 15:32.07 | jbot | must obey the taco man! |
| 15:32.25 | file | numist: good state to be in |
| 15:55.28 | numist | file: staring at a db dump? |
| 15:55.55 | file | sure |
| 15:56.16 | numist | thanks to my database structure being based on ease of code rather than ease of storage, its rather messy |
| 15:56.22 | numist | its on the to do list :/ |
| 15:56.33 | numist | but not while features are still added to alpha |
| 15:56.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:56.45 | kergoth | i'm gonna need to train the other developers here on svk :P |
| 15:56.53 | kergoth | svn's merging just isnt smart enough |
| 15:57.39 | numist | no it isnt... but replacing it with a whole svn-replacement isnt really a good answer either :/ |
| 15:58.20 | kergoth | svk isnt an svn replacemetn, it uses svn and the existing svn repository |
| 15:58.35 | kergoth | and stores the mergepoints in svn properties |
| 15:58.40 | file | kergoth is slowly taking over the company I bet |
| 15:58.59 | file | one day he'll hold the repository hostage |
| 15:59.05 | file | "Give me a pay raise... or all the source gets it" |
| 15:59.29 | kergoth | just wait till i audit the code for licensing/copyright issues |
| 15:59.45 | file | oh no! |
| 16:02.30 | kergoth | whiteboard, too |
| 16:06.24 | darth_mall | awesome! |
| 16:06.27 | darth_mall | new PPG Doujinshi |
| 16:21.45 | numist | aww, now I dont have a leg to stand on |
| 16:28.35 | numist | buahaha I think I found a solution that doesnt require death |
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| 16:40.50 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:41.02 | ChipX86 | morning |
| 16:41.56 | file[laptop] | morning |
| 16:44.36 | numist | destroy |
| 16:44.40 | numist | oops, morning |
| 16:45.34 | ChipX86 | heh, lovely System.Drawing bug... |
| 16:45.40 | ChipX86 | if I do a DrawImage, it loses the transformation settings |
| 16:45.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:46.07 | file[laptop] | you sure find lots of bugs |
| 16:46.17 | kergoth | you should use something that sucks less :P |
| 16:46.22 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 16:49.57 | ChipX86 | hmmm, looks like libgdiplus 1.1.9 fixes it, but I can't get that version to work |
| 16:54.06 | nullpuppy | kergoth: you need the 7 day alarm clock ;) |
| 16:56.55 | nullpuppy | http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/images/10621/original.aspx |
| 16:57.16 | ChipX86 | ack |
| 16:57.19 | ChipX86 | it's horrible! |
| 16:57.25 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 16:57.27 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 16:57.29 | file | dang nabbit I'm freezing |
| 16:57.40 | ChipX86 | that interface hurts my eyes. I don't know what to look at |
| 16:57.41 | nullpuppy | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/788e/ |
| 16:57.46 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 16:58.06 | ChipX86 | the toolbar doesn't seem to have any policy on where things go. They're just various sizes, all thrown around on there |
| 16:58.10 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 16:58.21 | ChipX86 | and wtf is with the menu bar, and what is that thing next to the toolbar that's next to the menubar? |
| 16:58.26 | nullpuppy | some cool ideas (like vista) but really.. wtf |
| 16:58.37 | ChipX86 | their sane UI guys seem to have left |
| 16:58.38 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 16:58.42 | file | so much wasted space |
| 16:58.46 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 16:58.48 | ChipX86 | yeah, again, like Vista |
| 16:59.06 | ChipX86 | that's okay! We're all using this on 1600x1200 resolutions, right? Every computer and monitor has that resolution |
| 16:59.15 | nullpuppy | hahahaha |
| 16:59.15 | ChipX86 | you can almost fit a page on that resolution! |
| 16:59.16 | file | hahahahaha |
| 16:59.22 | nullpuppy | rofl |
| 16:59.49 | nullpuppy | yeah, I'd like to be able to see what I'm writing |
| 16:59.51 | ChipX86 | new users aren't at all using 800x600 |
| 17:00.22 | ChipX86 | except, you know, all those people who are 30+ (the people who will be using this for business work) and can't see well, and then turn the resolution down to 800x600 |
| 17:00.38 | file | 640x480... those were the days |
| 17:00.40 | ChipX86 | something all my parents have done, all my grandparents have done, most of my old clients, and the teachers at the schools |
| 17:00.53 | ChipX86 | but no worry, MS will set them straight |
| 17:01.17 | ChipX86 | ok I have to ask, what is that giant Clipboard button? |
| 17:01.17 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 17:01.31 | ChipX86 | and why is it so special that it's the only thing allowed to have a bevel? |
| 17:01.33 | nullpuppy | no idea, you're guess is as good as mine |
| 17:01.41 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:01.49 | nullpuppy | ooooh, I know! |
| 17:01.53 | ChipX86 | I love the icons too |
| 17:01.53 | nullpuppy | its the main feature |
| 17:02.00 | ChipX86 | MS has this idea that all icons are now scalable |
| 17:02.06 | ChipX86 | except they seem to have forgotten to use a scalable format |
| 17:02.06 | nullpuppy | copy/paste... makes perfect sense... |
| 17:02.10 | ChipX86 | bitmaps are scalable too! |
| 17:02.27 | nullpuppy | they just copy every thing.. but.. I guess it also kind of distorts and obfuscates it at the same time... |
| 17:02.30 | scanlime | that looks awful |
| 17:02.38 | file | eep teh scanlime is up |
| 17:02.44 | ChipX86 | my mom is going to be so happy that she switched to OpenOffice. Actually, she already is, but this will make her more so |
| 17:02.57 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: hehe, yeah.. but you think they'd use a sane format like png? pshaw! |
| 17:03.05 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 17:03.07 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:03.16 | ChipX86 | well png isn't all that scalable either :) |
| 17:03.24 | ChipX86 | someone needs to point them to SVG |
| 17:03.25 | nullpuppy | true, true |
| 17:03.31 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:03.59 | ChipX86 | "Look! Avalon is all about scalable images! Watch us put the folder image in this window at 128x128! It scales!" |
| 17:04.05 | ChipX86 | "Yeah, but now it's all pixelized..." |
| 17:04.06 | ChipX86 | "IT SCALES!" |
| 17:04.09 | nullpuppy | svg would be the right choice.. and given their whole "must use xml for everything" .. i could see them doing it.. maybe |
| 17:04.15 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 17:04.29 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: if they use it, they'll "extend" it |
| 17:04.31 | scanlime | nah, they'd invent wmf+ |
| 17:04.34 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 17:04.40 | ChipX86 | MSVG |
| 17:05.28 | nullpuppy | FUVG -- Fucked-Up Vector Graphics |
| 17:06.01 | scanlime | nah, they'd just have each icon stored as a DLL that renders it procedurally |
| 17:06.07 | ToyKeeper | They should have used s-expressions in XML... it'd be so much less verbose. |
| 17:06.33 | scanlime | ToyKeeper: s-expressions are handy, but not really anything like XML... |
| 17:06.34 | ChipX86 | scanlime: like their lovely theme format? |
| 17:06.34 | nullpuppy | http://bink.nu/ |
| 17:06.37 | ChipX86 | that was another great MS move |
| 17:06.40 | nullpuppy | oooh, even more office 12 screenshots |
| 17:06.47 | ChipX86 | "We're better than Linux! We have themes too now!" |
| 17:06.51 | nullpuppy | prepare to ooh and ahh! |
| 17:06.57 | ChipX86 | "How do you make a theme?" "SILENCE!" |
| 17:08.07 | nullpuppy | http://www.extended64.com/photos/article_screenshots/images/1311/original.aspx |
| 17:08.19 | ChipX86 | lovely. The new libgdiplus and mono are still all broken |
| 17:08.41 | ChipX86 | as in, I can't even run it |
| 17:09.37 | file | yay Epoxies |
| 17:09.55 | nullpuppy | oooh ChipX86, this one will really make you happy.... ;) http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/category1015/picture10632.aspx |
| 17:10.15 | file | that confuses me |
| 17:10.27 | nullpuppy | http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/category1015/picture10631.aspx |
| 17:10.29 | nullpuppy | that one too |
| 17:10.48 | file | nullpuppy: you're making me head hurt, bad nullpuppy bad! |
| 17:10.52 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 17:10.55 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 17:11.06 | scanlime | could they make that any uglier? |
| 17:11.22 | nullpuppy | unfortunately, I'd have to say probably |
| 17:11.27 | scanlime | everything's a really really bad approximation of OS X.. even the fonts |
| 17:11.33 | file | I love how the documentation for a function shows an example, but the example doesn't contain the function in question at all |
| 17:11.42 | scanlime | fuck, microsoft if anyone should be able to do fonts right |
| 17:11.48 | scanlime | but they still manage to screw it up! |
| 17:11.52 | scanlime | what's wrong with them? |
| 17:12.05 | ChipX86 | who knows |
| 17:12.09 | ChipX86 | can Windows die already? Please? |
| 17:12.19 | scanlime | yes! that would make my job so much easier :) |
| 17:12.23 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 17:12.25 | nullpuppy | http://www.extended64.com/photos/article_screenshots/category1038/picture1311.aspx <-- IE 7 quick tabs |
| 17:12.31 | ChipX86 | I have no idea what that toolbar is about |
| 17:12.55 | ChipX86 | oh great, they bastardized the IE UI. That UI was actually sane for a while |
| 17:13.04 | nullpuppy | hahahaahha, they have a *new* minesweeper (next image..) |
| 17:13.13 | ChipX86 | let's stick the reload button in the address bar! |
| 17:13.22 | ChipX86 | (I'm in rant mode this morning) |
| 17:13.24 | ChipX86 | (it's kind of fun) |
| 17:13.33 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: yup.. in IE7, the reload and stop button are the same button... |
| 17:13.34 | nullpuppy | haha ;) |
| 17:13.45 | nullpuppy | http://www.extended64.com/photos/article_screenshots/category1038/picture1313.aspx ??? |
| 17:14.04 | ChipX86 | what is that? |
| 17:14.12 | nullpuppy | i have no idea |
| 17:14.18 | nullpuppy | some new game in vista |
| 17:14.26 | ChipX86 | it's a good thing minesweeper is improved |
| 17:14.36 | ChipX86 | now minesweeper is apparently Underwater Edition |
| 17:14.47 | nullpuppy | http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/category1015/picture10629.aspx I almost like that |
| 17:14.50 | nullpuppy | which scares me |
| 17:15.06 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: that's because it actually looks somewhat clean |
| 17:15.13 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:15.14 | ChipX86 | though they need new toolbar buttons |
| 17:15.20 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:15.30 | ChipX86 | their choice of colors disgusts me |
| 17:15.35 | nullpuppy | would be nice if it actually showed the calendar too (like it says in the toolbar) |
| 17:15.38 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:17.04 | nullpuppy | k |
| 17:17.09 | scanlime | the windows UI team is going to have a fun fun time with vista hosts :P |
| 17:17.28 | nullpuppy | scanlime: hahahaha |
| 17:17.29 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:17.32 | *** join/#tacobeam Cae (n=mschneid@Bloc-14.isc.tamu.edu) |
| 17:17.44 | nullpuppy | scanlime: although they may be lucky.. |
| 17:17.47 | scanlime | almost as much of a fun time the video folks will have with vista guests.. |
| 17:17.56 | nullpuppy | given how inconsistent vista is with itself.. they may not need to worry about much :) |
| 17:18.07 | scanlime | heh, yeah |
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| 17:18.20 | *** part/#tacobeam Ca1 (n=mschneid@Bloc-14.isc.tamu.edu) |
| 17:19.17 | nullpuppy | http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/category1015/picture10627.aspx |
| 17:23.56 | scanlime | I'm such a bagel whore ;) |
| 17:24.01 | numist | you love any day there |
| 17:24.08 | scanlime | nah |
| 17:24.16 | scanlime | mondays still suck |
| 17:24.27 | numist | hehe |
| 17:24.29 | scanlime | yesterday particularly |
| 17:24.41 | numist | this is why I work saturdays and take mondays off :P |
| 17:24.59 | scanlime | no partying friday nights until 4 AM for you? |
| 17:25.48 | numist | only if Im coding :) |
| 17:26.11 | scanlime | aw |
| 17:26.18 | scanlime | ooh.. big group lunch this friday |
| 17:26.46 | scanlime | we have two device teams sorta.. the manager for the other team quit for personal reasons, and now my manager is stuck with both teams |
| 17:26.54 | numist | aw |
| 17:26.55 | scanlime | so we're taking the whole unified team out to lunch :) |
| 17:32.33 | scanlime | heh. Dan uses the other team's mailing list, but still puts in all of our addresses individually |
| 17:33.04 | purple_cow | oooooooh |
| 17:33.15 | purple_cow | ``Original Shaolin monks, clearly touched by His noodly appendage, produce big budget Monks vs Pirates martial arts movie. Yarrr-fu ensues'' |
| 17:33.23 | scanlime | haha |
| 17:33.56 | purple_cow | that's going to be awesome |
| 17:35.11 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:35.37 | scanlime | wow, a USB problem that only occurs on linux hosts. Never seen one of those before... |
| 17:36.26 | scanlime | windows hosts seem to BSOD if you look at 'em funny |
| 17:36.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:37.13 | scanlime | hmm |
| 17:37.16 | scanlime | kergoth: you like patches right... |
| 17:37.25 | kergoth | thats a pretty broad statement |
| 17:37.52 | file[laptop] | uh oh |
| 17:38.09 | Cae | hmm..how do I get gnumeric to copy the values, not the functions, in cells? |
| 17:38.53 | scanlime | kergoth: there are three versions of this code.. call them A, B, and C. I have one patch that goes from A to B, and one that goes from A to C. I also have a diff between these two diffs. How would I most easily generate a diff between B and C? |
| 17:40.02 | kergoth | scanlime: you probably want either combinediff or interdiff from patchutils |
| 17:40.06 | kergoth | they're designed for doing such things |
| 17:40.10 | scanlime | ooh, neat |
| 17:40.36 | scanlime | hehe, combinediff would have been helpful earlier.. |
| 17:40.45 | scanlime | i ended up cat'ing the diffs together then having yap clean that up |
| 17:40.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:40.57 | scanlime | yeah, I knew about lsdiff but didn't see the others |
| 17:41.04 | purple_cow | ooh, cool |
| 17:41.14 | purple_cow | they got rid of the stupid acrobat logo on pdf thumbnails in nautilus |
| 17:41.44 | scanlime | ah, interdiff looks quite handy |
| 17:41.55 | kergoth | scanlime: also, i often do somewhat evil things.. i like to use good scm tools to do patch manipulation |
| 17:42.09 | kergoth | cheat and use the scm tool's 3 way merging algos and stuff |
| 17:42.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:43.40 | scanlime | woo, interdiff worked perfectly |
| 17:43.50 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:43.59 | nullpuppy | mmm, love the new tatu |
| 17:44.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:44.05 | scanlime | I should write a tool that interdiffs between each revision of these diffs that I committed to svn :) |
| 17:44.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:45.14 | scanlime | hmm |
| 17:45.24 | scanlime | don't suppose there's a command line program to manipulate the X clipboard? :) |
| 17:45.57 | nullpuppy | that'd be damn cool |
| 17:45.58 | scanlime | ah, xclip |
| 17:46.32 | nullpuppy | haha, that'd be cool |
| 17:46.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: 03numist * r121 10census/ (35 files in 9 dirs): |
| 17:46.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: -- debugger dumps stack traces only on fatal errors |
| 17:46.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: -- images are correctly sized |
| 17:46.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: -- templates are mostly done, including |
| 17:46.50 | CIA-5 | numi-misc: -- ShowHide fancyness implemented from pf, with modifications for any number of arguments |
| 17:47.06 | nullpuppy | i should set up synergy so I can use my desktop keyboard mouse/keyboard on my desktop (and vice versus) |
| 17:47.28 | file[laptop] | time to renew my domain for another new |
| 17:47.39 | file[laptop] | er year |
| 17:50.14 | scanlime | nullpuppy: yup, it works. xclip is exactly what I wanted- can just pipe patches into it |
| 17:50.28 | nullpuppy | neat! |
| 17:50.41 | nullpuppy | whoops |
| 17:50.50 | nullpuppy | forgot I turned off the mysql service |
| 17:52.11 | kergoth | i hate the dual clipboard thing in x |
| 17:52.23 | kergoth | how select/middleclick is different than ctrl+c/ctrl+v |
| 17:52.42 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:52.43 | scanlime | nod |
| 17:52.59 | nullpuppy | its nice at times.. but yeah.. annoying most of the time |
| 17:55.13 | scanlime | hmm |
| 17:55.16 | scanlime | if (foo()) { |
| 17:55.16 | scanlime | } |
| 17:55.19 | scanlime | that's useful... |
| 17:55.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:55.38 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:56.20 | kergoth | i'm switching the devs at work to using svk :P |
| 18:01.00 | purple_cow | time for school |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: 03micah * r1955 10/data/DTSA/advs/ (4 files): |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: Dereferenced advisories from numbers to allow for linear numerical |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-5 | secure-testing: DTSAs to proceed. |
| 18:05.04 | scanlime | hmm |
| 18:05.11 | scanlime | while (TRUE) { |
| 18:05.20 | scanlime | er |
| 18:05.24 | scanlime | silly IRC.. |
| 18:05.30 | scanlime | right before that is a /* Loop. */ |
| 18:06.35 | file | lol the way Russell answers his phone is great, he says Hello in such a way as that it means "why the hell are you calling me?" |
| 18:07.24 | kergoth | scanlime: whew, its a good thing they told us it was a loop. |
| 18:22.41 | numist | yay cuddling |
| 18:24.23 | ChipX86 | back |
| 18:26.14 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 18:37.53 | kergoth`food | mmm, wendys chicken strips + chili, particularly on a crappy cold wet day = yum |
| 18:38.15 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:38.22 | file | kergoth`food: that food could have been part of your car payment! |
| 18:38.23 | scanlime | I get strange looks for keeping a snow scraper in my car |
| 18:38.29 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 18:38.34 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 18:38.37 | ChipX86 | I thought it was a windsheild wiper :( |
| 18:38.41 | scanlime | a cold wet crappy day here seems to mean you have to run the defroster for 5 seconds before driving |
| 18:38.48 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 18:39.04 | ChipX86 | sometimes it's 10 seconds |
| 18:39.07 | scanlime | yeah |
| 18:39.16 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 18:40.10 | kergoth`food | i wonder if -liking- the cold weather is genetic, or due to experience |
| 18:40.18 | kergoth`food | my dad likes it cold, and so do i, i just hate the snow |
| 18:40.50 | kergoth`food | could be genetic, some remnant of norse ancestry |
| 18:41.09 | scanlime | I dunno, I like the cold and my parents are from louisiana |
| 18:41.19 | scanlime | but my mom's parents were from north dakota |
| 18:41.55 | kergoth`food | its just so refreshing and the air seems so clean and clear |
| 18:42.00 | kergoth`food | i missed the nice cool evenings when i was in texas |
| 18:42.17 | scanlime | I miss walking through snow barefoot |
| 18:42.40 | numist | haha scanlime, so true |
| 18:42.46 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 18:42.48 | numist | re: scraper |
| 18:42.53 | scanlime | yea |
| 18:43.57 | kergoth`food | i felt sorry for nikki when she was in town at my place.. my dad keeps the house cool, and i have to have a fan blowing on me to stay cool, so my bedroom wasnt exactly warm & cozy :P |
| 18:44.33 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 18:44.37 | ChipX86 | Christine just gave me a letter |
| 18:45.21 | numist | oooooooo |
| 18:45.29 | ChipX86 | Housewarming Party Pizza Bar |
| 18:45.31 | ChipX86 | neato |
| 18:45.38 | ChipX86 | cute card too |
| 18:45.43 | ChipX86 | ack, that's when I'm probably in Boston |
| 18:45.50 | kergoth`food | boston? |
| 18:45.56 | numist | ??? |
| 18:46.30 | kergoth`food | i cant read boston anymore without thinking of road trip. i've seen that movie too many times |
| 18:46.48 | ChipX86 | VMware is paying for at least part of our team, possibly all of it, to go to the Boston GNOME Summit |
| 18:46.58 | kergoth`food | neat |
| 18:47.02 | ChipX86 | scanlime: :( |
| 18:47.06 | scanlime | since so much of what I do is gnome related... |
| 18:47.10 | ChipX86 | as far as I know, we have nothing we're really doing there |
| 18:47.13 | ChipX86 | just going |
| 18:47.46 | kergoth`food | hmm, i bet payinjg for your own trips to conferences that are related to your field would be tax deductable |
| 18:47.48 | ChipX86 | have I mentioned that I love this company? |
| 18:47.58 | nullpuppy | hehe :) |
| 18:48.03 | nullpuppy | once or twice |
| 18:48.31 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:48.31 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 18:48.38 | ChipX86 | they're restocking milk and sodas and other things |
| 18:48.39 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 18:48.40 | ChipX86 | they might have chai today |
| 18:48.45 | ChipX86 | the milk fridge is packed |
| 18:48.46 | scanlime | hmm |
| 18:48.51 | scanlime | they were out of half&half this morning too |
| 18:48.53 | kergoth`food | i hate you |
| 18:49.09 | scanlime | I should go check for chai next time I'm annoyed at this driver |
| 18:49.11 | scanlime | yeah, me too |
| 18:49.17 | scanlime | and I'm even more amazed at how quickly it's used up |
| 18:49.18 | scanlime | hehe |
| 18:49.21 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 18:49.48 | nullpuppy | if it wasn't for the fact that I don't really want to relocate, and don't want to leave my current job.. I'd consider trying to work at vmware .. not that I'd have much of a chance.. but damn.. sounds like one hell of a place to work ;) |
| 18:50.17 | scanlime | they like people that do a lot of open source stuff on their free time |
| 18:50.24 | kergoth`food | i might stand a chance, but i'm a bit of a generalist. better suited to a smaller company, methinks. |
| 18:50.29 | scanlime | but it also depends on what we're looking for at the time |
| 18:50.31 | scanlime | kergoth`food: yeah |
| 18:50.33 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 18:50.44 | scanlime | I got lucky, since they needed a USB guy and I had a lot of crazy projects on my resume |
| 18:50.45 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 18:51.05 | ChipX86 | I also got lucky, since they just contacted me out of the blue |
| 18:51.15 | nullpuppy | my problem is simple.. I know too little about too much ;) |
| 18:51.15 | Cae | back later |
| 18:51.18 | ChipX86 | good thing I didn't sync my mailbox after deleting that e-mail |
| 18:51.21 | kergoth`food | nullpuppy: indeed |
| 18:51.21 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 18:51.22 | scanlime | ChipX86: you got really lucky to get that kind of salary with no degree ;) |
| 18:51.29 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah :) |
| 18:51.31 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 18:51.46 | ChipX86 | speaking of which, raises are coming up! |
| 18:51.52 | kergoth`food | hmm |
| 18:51.57 | kergoth`food | i have no idea when my company does raises |
| 18:51.58 | scanlime | ChipX86: they're going to be late |
| 18:52.08 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah |
| 18:52.11 | ChipX86 | still, raises! |
| 18:52.20 | kergoth`food | i suck at user interfaces |
| 18:52.29 | scanlime | I doubt I'd get one after being here just a month or so.. |
| 18:52.30 | ChipX86 | at the very least it's a cost-of-living raise, but I'm hoping for more |
| 18:52.31 | kergoth`food | i'm more of a backend guy |
| 18:52.34 | kergoth`food | (that sounds dirty) |
| 18:52.37 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah, you don't :( I missed out last year |
| 18:52.47 | nullpuppy | kergoth`food: lol |
| 18:52.58 | scanlime | kergoth`food: you like windows drivers right? |
| 18:53.04 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 18:53.13 | numist | panic! |
| 18:53.30 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 18:53.48 | kergoth`food | nullpuppy: you're not full time atm? |
| 18:53.56 | scanlime | I should check the Palo Alto fry's on the way home to see if they have the same TV stand, then return the broken one to the sunnyvale fry's |
| 18:53.56 | nullpuppy | hmm, 2 more days, then I get my zen touch :) |
| 18:54.02 | nullpuppy | kergoth`food: nope :( only working 25hrs a week |
| 18:54.08 | kergoth`food | :( that really sucks man |
| 18:54.11 | nullpuppy | which is nice in some ways, but sucks in others |
| 18:54.16 | kergoth`food | yeah |
| 18:54.23 | kergoth`food | do you get benefits, at least? |
| 18:54.25 | nullpuppy | the nice part is, I can easily barter off hardware and stuff |
| 18:54.36 | nullpuppy | i have.. odd benefits :) |
| 18:54.37 | kergoth`food | a lot of companies dont give you benefits at less than full time. sucks |
| 18:55.03 | nullpuppy | I have limited dental and accident insurance now through aflac (but I pay for that) |
| 18:55.10 | kergoth`food | i wish evolution wouldnt report _every_ single connection reset by peer |
| 18:55.14 | kergoth`food | my mailserver drops idle connections |
| 18:55.23 | kergoth`food | just shut the fuck up and reconnect already |
| 18:55.24 | nullpuppy | but.. if something happens to my car, or something, I can get some repair covered through work |
| 18:55.34 | kergoth`food | ah |
| 18:55.35 | kergoth`food | thats cool |
| 18:55.45 | nullpuppy | we're a small company :) |
| 18:55.47 | nullpuppy | 5 people total |
| 18:56.02 | kergoth`food | thats even smaller than here, i think we're 10 or so |
| 18:56.09 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 18:56.10 | ChipX86 | that's even smaller than here |
| 18:56.14 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 18:56.16 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 18:56.17 | kergoth`food | 3 developers, a couple sales guys, couple tech support guys, and the ceo |
| 18:56.29 | ChipX86 | kergoth`food: sounds nice, actually |
| 18:56.31 | nullpuppy | we're just a local pc repair/retail shop. been around for 15 years though |
| 18:56.33 | kergoth`food | and how sad is it that i dont even remember their names? :P |
| 18:56.38 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 18:56.41 | nullpuppy | kergoth`food: lol |
| 18:57.12 | scanlime | why did MS have to call this RtlCopyMemory() when it's really memcopy()? |
| 18:57.17 | ChipX86 | meh |
| 18:57.20 | kergoth | i think long term, i'd like to follow in tim riker's footsteps a bit. i think i'd be well suited to a CTO type position |
| 18:57.29 | ChipX86 | 40 lines in the legacy code to do what the new code can do in 3 lines |
| 18:57.29 | file | yay Tim |
| 18:58.17 | *** join/#tacobeam slimspace (n=darkstar@70-58-0-34.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 18:58.40 | ChipX86 | woopsie |
| 18:58.50 | ChipX86 | made default disk sizes 950GB :( |
| 18:58.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:59.12 | kergoth | man |
| 18:59.16 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: lol |
| 18:59.18 | kergoth | svn's externals support really kinda sucks |
| 18:59.20 | nullpuppy | tahts too small! |
| 18:59.20 | kergoth | its mediocre at best |
| 18:59.46 | nullpuppy | ok... really, really need to get to work |
| 18:59.55 | nullpuppy | but before I do that.. I think I'll go make some coffee |
| 19:00.01 | ChipX86 | :P |
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| 19:10.15 | kergoth | hey dave |
| 19:10.35 | kergoth | when i'm less broke, i really ought to take a vacation to barbados |
| 19:10.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10.36 | ChipX86 | mwahaha, they assigned me another rc1fix bug just a short while ago, and now I've fixed it. Back to 0. |
| 19:10.47 | kergoth | damn man, you're on a roll |
| 19:11.06 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, you're welcome to stay with us |
| 19:13.18 | kergoth | ~emulate gir |
| 19:13.21 | jbot | must obey the taco man! |
| 19:13.53 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, i've been getting my hurricane supplies lately |
| 19:14.01 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, scanline might be able to answer questions you have about that usb stuff you're wanting to work on |
| 19:14.05 | ChipX86 | "A little inlining goes a long way, sometimes in the wrong direction." |
| 19:14.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:14.13 | kergoth | so true |
| 19:14.15 | prpplague | kergoth: bought a giant med kit this weekend |
| 19:14.24 | ChipX86 | I keep reading prpplague as purple_cow :( |
| 19:14.26 | numist | ~emulate fry |
| 19:14.27 | jbot | My folks were always on me to groom myself and wear underpants. What am I, the pope? |
| 19:14.29 | ChipX86 | my eyes need fixing |
| 19:14.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:14.34 | kergoth | yay fry |
| 19:14.42 | ChipX86 | "Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." |
| 19:14.56 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 19:14.57 | jbot | i have great idea, lets sell buggy software and charge to fix it!! |
| 19:15.11 | ChipX86 | I love our quips page sooo good |
| 19:15.25 | ChipX86 | "if i pop VMWare into full screen mode and have someone sit down, they are always quite shocked when i show them that they're working on a virtual machine. that's always a hoot, and a great way to impress the ladies." |
| 19:15.43 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, i could hook you up with a bajan chick, then you can move her too |
| 19:15.55 | kergoth | i dont think my gf would be too happy about that |
| 19:16.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:16.51 | prpplague | kergoth: hey nothing like a woman in each country |
| 19:16.56 | numist | ... |
| 19:17.04 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 19:17.25 | ChipX86 | that'd get really expensive |
| 19:17.48 | prpplague | ChipX86: depends on the country |
| 19:18.10 | ChipX86 | no, taking care of more than one girl at a time is expensive, period :) |
| 19:18.12 | prpplague | ChipX86: honduras or cuba for example is really cheap, hehe |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.35 | numist | ChipX86: s/more than one/a/ & s/at a time// |
| 19:18.58 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 19:19.03 | numist | :) |
| 19:19.04 | prpplague | kergoth: "a man who carries a cat by its tail, learns something in a way that no man can teach" mark twain |
| 19:19.27 | kergoth | twain's awesome. have you ever read a connecticut yankee in king arthur's court? |
| 19:19.33 | numist | nope |
| 19:19.44 | ChipX86 | after Rachael and I broke up (wow that was a long time ago now) I ended up going out (as friends) with several of the harem girls at once. I'd take them to ice cream, movies, etc. That got real expensive fast |
| 19:20.01 | numist | aye |
| 19:20.06 | prpplague | kergoth: i didn't find his fiction stuff very entertaining |
| 19:20.13 | prpplague | kergoth: i like his essays and quotes |
| 19:21.52 | prpplague | kergoth: one thing that is interesting down here is that the movie and music of grease is super popular |
| 19:22.05 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:22.45 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, i was in the grocery store a few weeks ago and one of the grease songs came on and several of the employees of the store started singing and dancing just like the movie |
| 19:22.58 | kergoth | scary |
| 19:23.13 | prpplague | kergoth: yea i though i was in an epi of outer limits |
| 19:23.48 | prpplague | kergoth: sure is good to have you back on irc regularly |
| 19:24.32 | prpplague | kergoth: scanline is probably avoiding me because he thinks i want to pester him about pg |
| 19:24.50 | ChipX86 | pg is dead, long live USB! |
| 19:25.22 | prpplague | scanlime: hey get back here |
| 19:25.51 | prpplague | scanlime: am i gonna have to use a jedi mind trick to get you talk about ez-usb dev? |
| 19:26.07 | scanlime | I've only done a little with ezusb so far |
| 19:26.19 | prpplague | scanlime: which board are you using? |
| 19:26.39 | scanlime | I forget.. and it's at home right now, so I can't check |
| 19:27.07 | scanlime | ? |
| 19:27.18 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (ChangeLog libview/wrapLabel.cc): |
| 19:27.18 | CIA-5 | view: Set the alignment to 0.0, 0.0 by default. Otherwise, the text alignment starts |
| 19:27.19 | CIA-5 | view: toward the center, but spans past the right edge. We always set the alignment to |
| 19:27.19 | CIA-5 | view: 0.0, 0.0 in Workstation, but most people aren't going to realize this is needed. |
| 19:27.19 | ChipX86 | view is a 4 letter word |
| 19:27.26 | numist | prpplague: funny, Im trying to help someone with java :o |
| 19:27.28 | prpplague | scanlime: just being silly as i have caffinee depravation |
| 19:27.47 | prpplague | scanlime: what kind of project are you with for it? |
| 19:28.08 | scanlime | I was just playing with the ezusb board really. I spent a weekend or so getting it to talk to a C64 |
| 19:28.11 | prpplague | scanlime: i'm considering using ez-usb for reading/writing nand flash |
| 19:28.21 | scanlime | ok, good for you |
| 19:28.37 | prpplague | scanlime: kergoth just mentioned you might have some info |
| 19:28.47 | kergoth | to a C64? for what? :) |
| 19:28.52 | scanlime | I've used them some yes, but just look at the datasheet |
| 19:28.56 | scanlime | kergoth: emulating a disk drive |
| 19:29.07 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:29.09 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:29.13 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added a test-header-bgbox test program. |
| 19:29.25 | prpplague | scanlime: was the 8051 code dev pretty standard? |
| 19:29.32 | scanlime | I got it almost loading and saving programs, then my C64 went borken |
| 19:29.43 | scanlime | prpplague: ? |
| 19:30.00 | scanlime | it's an 8051.. not sure what you mean by standard code dev... |
| 19:30.07 | scanlime | you can use any 8051 tools with it. I used sdcc |
| 19:30.17 | prpplague | scanlime: didn't know whether the did anything different with it |
| 19:30.29 | prpplague | scanlime: yea that was my next question, if you were using sdcc |
| 19:31.01 | prpplague | scanlime: and i assume you used the fxload util for firmware upload? |
| 19:31.05 | scanlime | yes |
| 19:31.29 | prpplague | scanlime: why not purchase one of those c64 in a joystick units |
| 19:31.42 | prpplague | scanlime: i understand that it has solder pads for all the interfaces |
| 19:31.53 | scanlime | might do that later.. but I already have a C64 :P |
| 19:32.04 | scanlime | and I'd still have to build a USB interface for it |
| 19:32.11 | prpplague | scanlime: oh i thought you said it got borked |
| 19:32.23 | scanlime | well, it should be fixable |
| 19:32.32 | scanlime | I just got annoyed with it and haven't diagnosed the problem |
| 19:32.42 | scanlime | it's just a blank screen on powerup |
| 19:33.26 | scanlime | besides, those joysticks wouldn't have an original SID chip in them |
| 19:34.20 | scanlime | ChipX86: still no chai, just coffee :( |
| 19:37.15 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: not sure if you're aware of this or not (co'd view a little bit ago to poke at it..) test-drawer doesn't exit.. |
| 19:37.20 | prpplague | scanlime: so overall what was your impress of the ez-usb board? |
| 19:37.29 | nullpuppy | (not that its a problem really, but.. yeah ;) |
| 19:37.29 | prpplague | scanlime: worth getting one for dev? |
| 19:38.01 | scanlime | yeah, though I've been more tempted to get an FX2 board so I can play with high-speed |
| 19:38.18 | scanlime | actually... |
| 19:38.32 | scanlime | I should think about my static real-time compiler idea some more |
| 19:38.43 | scanlime | the FX2 might be fast enough to run video game controller emulations if I have such a compiler |
| 19:39.14 | scanlime | 'course a regular EZUSB plus an FPGA is much sexier |
| 19:39.37 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: oh, good to know.. |
| 19:39.48 | ChipX86 | how about the others? |
| 19:39.51 | nullpuppy | :) the other two exit properly |
| 19:39.55 | ChipX86 | 3 |
| 19:39.55 | scanlime | I'm definitely going to want to rebuild the unicone... I'll probably want my video game systems in that server cabinet, since there won't be much room around the TV itself |
| 19:39.58 | prpplague | scanlime: vide game controller emulations? |
| 19:39.59 | ChipX86 | update |
| 19:40.00 | nullpuppy | drawer just sits there |
| 19:40.01 | nullpuppy | k |
| 19:40.24 | scanlime | prpplague: the unicone is a USB device you can plug into the controller ports of any video game system |
| 19:40.38 | scanlime | prpplague: it uses FPGA cores to emulate all the controller ports, and pass them data from USB |
| 19:40.47 | prpplague | scanlime: ahh |
| 19:40.53 | scanlime | that combined with the gchub and inputpipe let me make any video game's input network-transparent |
| 19:41.01 | nullpuppy | hrm, /me kicks sf |
| 19:41.03 | nullpuppy | update already |
| 19:41.06 | scanlime | so I can have the systems themselves in a closet or something, then plug controllers into a box under the couch |
| 19:41.21 | prpplague | scanlime: http://ezhid.sourceforge.net/ you looked at that |
| 19:41.21 | scanlime | I have a first prototype based on an old Xilinx XC4010 and a TUSB3210 microcontroller |
| 19:41.25 | nullpuppy | there we go |
| 19:41.33 | scanlime | but that FPGA is too small really, and now it's toasted |
| 19:41.34 | ChipX86 | test-header-bgbox |
| 19:41.37 | ChipX86 | sexy widgets |
| 19:41.39 | scanlime | prpplague: HID is for chumps |
| 19:41.42 | scanlime | ;) |
| 19:41.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:41.56 | scanlime | but yeah, Iv'e seen it.. I just haven't had the need to make a HID device in a while |
| 19:42.11 | scanlime | I really hate companies that make random shit into HID devices just so the windows driver is easier to write |
| 19:42.14 | nullpuppy | hrm, I don't see it :( I'm guessing dev cvs hasn't sync'd with anon yet |
| 19:42.14 | scanlime | I have a HID GPS device :P |
| 19:42.23 | scanlime | it just crams NMEA serial data into HID packets |
| 19:42.24 | scanlime | really gross |
| 19:42.25 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: oh, yeah. |
| 19:42.26 | prpplague | gee that makes sense |
| 19:43.52 | ChipX86 | the Darkwing Duck theme song is stuck in my head on loop |
| 19:44.05 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 19:44.23 | ChipX86 | mininova has it |
| 19:44.32 | ChipX86 | I got a couple DW torrents off of it |
| 19:44.51 | nullpuppy | hrm, part of it :/ |
| 19:44.58 | nullpuppy | part 4 of 5 and 5 of 5 |
| 19:45.06 | prpplague | scanlime: i've got a ez-usb fx2 based card reader that i had planned on hacking |
| 19:45.07 | nullpuppy | *sites |
| 19:45.09 | scanlime | prpplague: you definitely don't want to make flash memory into a HID device ;) |
| 19:45.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45.20 | scanlime | prpplague: that sounds great. Which model flash reader? |
| 19:45.48 | scanlime | the USB storage protocol is fun |
| 19:45.56 | nullpuppy | nope, tpb doesn't have it |
| 19:46.00 | prpplague | scanlime: the one i have is from carry computers USIMA iirc |
| 19:46.06 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (ChangeLog tests/test-drawer.cc): Fixed the test-drawer app to use glib2 signal functions and to exit when the window closes. |
| 19:46.08 | scanlime | it's just a pretty thin encapsulation of SCSI |
| 19:46.18 | nullpuppy | kergoth: does ubermovie have non-movies? |
| 19:46.23 | prpplague | scanlime: well i want to not use the mass storage stuff |
| 19:46.28 | scanlime | why? |
| 19:46.30 | prpplague | scanlime: i just want raw access |
| 19:46.41 | kergoth | nullpuppy: yeah, as long as it meets the standards, which means DVDs only |
| 19:46.43 | scanlime | define raw |
| 19:46.52 | kergoth | nullpuppy: but series and things are there. i posted my zim, and got most of firefly |
| 19:47.00 | nullpuppy | kergoth: k, can you add darkwing duck on your list of stuff to look for? :) |
| 19:47.02 | nullpuppy | k |
| 19:47.04 | kergoth | k |
| 19:47.04 | prpplague | scanlime: raw=="i can control everything from userland" |
| 19:47.23 | scanlime | prpplague: so use libusb and speak usb-storage directly to the device. No need to replace the firmware |
| 19:47.31 | nullpuppy | oh fsck |
| 19:47.47 | nullpuppy | ooooh, I think I misread that last time.. whoops |
| 19:48.00 | nullpuppy | down to 1.6g free on /home again, dammit :) |
| 19:48.09 | prpplague | scanlime: the default firmware for readers prevents access to the oob areas as well as CIS areas of nand flash(like smartmedia and xD) |
| 19:48.18 | ChipX86 | what is wrong with my autotools |
| 19:48.26 | scanlime | prpplague: ah |
| 19:49.00 | scanlime | mmm |
| 19:49.15 | ChipX86 | so sleepy |
| 19:49.30 | prpplague | scanlime: hehe |
| 19:49.33 | ChipX86 | I swear I'm sleeping every night. Wish I knew why I'm so tired |
| 19:50.38 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 19:51.10 | scanlime | ooh, I get to commit this! |
| 19:51.15 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 19:51.16 | CIA-5 | view: 03chipx86 * 10libview/ (ChangeLog NEWS configure.ac): Bump the version to 0.5.1 and prepare for release. |
| 19:52.07 | kergoth | ugh, this library uses the package version as the library .so version/soname |
| 19:52.13 | ChipX86 | ick |
| 19:52.14 | ChipX86 | which? |
| 19:52.19 | kergoth | bad developers! no cookie for you~ |
| 19:52.31 | kergoth | the guy that did tinysnmp wrote some libraries that it uses |
| 19:52.33 | kergoth | those |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r14 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: Add more, rewrite some of the stuff that's already there to be more clear |
| 19:53.20 | scanlime | hi purple_cow |
| 19:53.31 | ChipX86 | http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/ |
| 19:53.40 | ChipX86 | "AGP is 'not optimal' for Vista." |
| 19:53.41 | purple_cow | 'ello |
| 19:54.43 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 19:54.53 | ChipX86 | good read |
| 19:55.16 | scanlime | uh |
| 19:55.16 | nullpuppy | I'm all for supporting the change to pci-e and co, but damn.. thats just lame |
| 19:55.18 | scanlime | hmm |
| 19:55.26 | scanlime | why does NCQ matter if the OS has a decent I/O scheduler? |
| 19:56.01 | nullpuppy | RAM: 2GB is the ideal configuration for 64-bit Vista, we're told. Vista 32-bit will work ideally at 1GB, and minimum 512. However, since 64-bit is handling data chunks that are double the size, you'll need double the memory, hence the 2GB. Nigel mentions DDR3 - which is a little odd, since the roadmap for DDR3, on Intel gear at least, doesn't really kick in until 2007. |
| 19:56.07 | nullpuppy | thats just sick |
| 19:56.11 | nullpuppy | an OS should not need that much |
| 19:56.20 | ChipX86 | MS isn't just an OS |
| 19:56.23 | ChipX86 | er, Vista |
| 19:56.42 | kergoth | 2GB? jesus |
| 19:56.47 | ChipX86 | it's what dreams are made of. |
| 19:56.52 | ChipX86 | bad, horrible dreams |
| 19:56.53 | kergoth | fuck that shit, i'm sticking with 2k/xp on my windows machines |
| 19:57.00 | ChipX86 | full of scary things poking you with fish |
| 19:57.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:57.04 | ChipX86 | ugly grey fish! |
| 19:57.10 | ChipX86 | some with bevels, some with arrows |
| 19:57.29 | ChipX86 | and some that, when you look real close, are made of lots of big square dots! |
| 19:57.32 | kergoth | i think in wow, when you're fishing, sometimes a fish should jump up and attack you |
| 19:57.33 | kergoth | just because |
| 19:57.38 | ChipX86 | kergoth: I agree |
| 19:57.45 | ChipX86 | fishing needs to be more fun in WoW |
| 19:57.59 | scanlime | ChipX86: just imagine how much RAM we'll get for our dev boxes when we need to run multiple vista VMs ;) |
| 19:58.06 | ChipX86 | scanlime: oohh |
| 19:58.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:58.14 | ChipX86 | I bet Virtual PC won't run Vista for ages |
| 19:58.16 | ChipX86 | we do though |
| 19:58.25 | scanlime | Virtual PC won't run a lot of things |
| 19:58.49 | scanlime | MS will probably just invent some hacks to do it rather than actually emulating the hardware you need to run Vista |
| 19:58.56 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:00.00 | nullpuppy | ok.. work |
| 20:00.03 | nullpuppy | I was going to do that an hour ago |
| 20:00.05 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 20:00.27 | nullpuppy | damn it.. need to start those darkwing duck torrents too... damn me! |
| 20:00.29 | scanlime | I think I'm going to need to drill wire holes in the left side of my cabinet too, if that's where the video game systems go |
| 20:01.16 | scanlime | yay |
| 20:01.17 | nullpuppy | i need a new tv and entertainment system :/ |
| 20:01.25 | scanlime | tomboy is so much more usable with a monospace font and no spellcheck |
| 20:01.31 | nullpuppy | svideo/composite from a computer do wierd things to the screen |
| 20:01.36 | scanlime | yeah |
| 20:01.38 | nullpuppy | ps2 and co work fine though |
| 20:01.43 | scanlime | component is much better.. but get DVI if you can |
| 20:01.52 | nullpuppy | k |
| 20:02.28 | scanlime | I still get just a little bit of subtle noise with component, especially on the sync signals |
| 20:02.43 | scanlime | all I can figure is it's coming from the video card itself. |
| 20:02.44 | nullpuppy | its not so much noise that bothers me |
| 20:02.48 | nullpuppy | its the non-square screen |
| 20:02.55 | scanlime | I obviously need to coat my nvidia card with aluminum foil |
| 20:02.57 | nullpuppy | the left edge is wavey |
| 20:03.06 | scanlime | ah. that's either the video card or the TV |
| 20:03.16 | scanlime | that isn't normal, even with composite |
| 20:03.31 | scanlime | if it's nvidia, try nvtv to tune it |
| 20:03.42 | nullpuppy | yeah, I think I've have the same output regardless of the system (in windows and linux) |
| 20:03.49 | nullpuppy | but I can't remember for sure |
| 20:04.08 | nullpuppy | my laptop has composite out, but not svideo, my media box and my work laptop both only have svideo |
| 20:04.09 | *** join/#tacobeam pf-mobile (n=pagefaul@66.199.241.90) |
| 20:04.26 | nullpuppy | (sis, ati and nvidia graphics) ;) |
| 20:04.37 | nullpuppy | and.. I think I tried nvtv, couldn't get it to change much |
| 20:04.52 | scanlime | are you using svideo or composite? |
| 20:05.05 | nullpuppy | best I could do was limit the ickyness of the look, but couldn't get rid of the wierd side |
| 20:05.08 | ChipX86 | wonder if our firewall allows ftp out.. |
| 20:05.10 | nullpuppy | svideo |
| 20:05.24 | nullpuppy | but I've tried composite with a sis chipset as well, and same result |
| 20:05.33 | nullpuppy | erm.. not sis, s3 |
| 20:05.37 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 20:05.55 | scanlime | imported via lik-sang |
| 20:06.13 | nullpuppy | nice |
| 20:06.24 | nullpuppy | those are the people that did the ps2 and xbox modchips way back when right? |
| 20:06.43 | scanlime | yeah, lik-sang is a great source for all sorts of crazy rare and/or imported shit |
| 20:06.46 | scanlime | ;) |
| 20:07.12 | scanlime | they carry modchips, region adaptors for cartridge systems, really odd cables and video converters... |
| 20:07.20 | scanlime | ethernet adaptors for everything |
| 20:07.29 | nullpuppy | cool :) |
| 20:07.34 | scanlime | ugh.. video routing is going to be a PITA |
| 20:07.40 | nullpuppy | gah, no seeds :( |
| 20:07.49 | scanlime | probably going to need a second long component cable for the GC and other systems that do progressive scan... |
| 20:07.57 | scanlime | then a long s-video cable for everything else |
| 20:07.59 | nullpuppy | thank god for azureus, i love that app :) |
| 20:08.30 | nullpuppy | ok.. now.. to get ot work ;) |
| 20:08.52 | ChipX86 | yeah right |
| 20:09.00 | pf-mobile | yay |
| 20:09.03 | pf-mobile | new WoW patch |
| 20:09.03 | prpplague | scanlime: hmm any idea where i could find a list of know devices with a ez-usb core? i would assume fxload should have something somewhere, but i can't seem to find it |
| 20:09.17 | ChipX86 | pf-mobile: it's out? |
| 20:09.20 | ChipX86 | 1.7? |
| 20:09.20 | pf-mobile | yep |
| 20:09.21 | scanlime | heh. never seen one.. if you find it tell me |
| 20:09.29 | pf-mobile | time to patch |
| 20:09.35 | kergoth | pf-mobile: woot! |
| 20:09.39 | ChipX86 | 1.7 is out?!?! |
| 20:09.42 | pf-mobile | yes |
| 20:09.43 | pf-mobile | it's out |
| 20:09.46 | nullpuppy | pf-mobile: out today? yay |
| 20:09.56 | scanlime | prpplague: one of the QA guys here found a USB test dongle that's just an FX2 and a few LEDs |
| 20:10.02 | nullpuppy | and by yay, I mean god dammit, I need to work ;) |
| 20:10.03 | ChipX86 | it's a very complex dance |
| 20:10.05 | scanlime | prpplague: $50 I think.. it's the cheapest FX2 device we've found |
| 20:10.10 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: lol |
| 20:10.20 | pf-mobile | yay |
| 20:10.23 | pf-mobile | fishing extravaganza |
| 20:10.25 | prpplague | scanlime: oh that would be nice |
| 20:10.59 | scanlime | prpplague: but you can get a real FX2 dev board for something like $70, and it actually has a connector for all the I/O |
| 20:11.34 | pf-mobile | 120 new items added to the game |
| 20:11.36 | ChipX86 | pf-mobile: woot! what's that going to be like, if you know? |
| 20:11.47 | ChipX86 | I so want to spend hours mindlessly fishing |
| 20:11.55 | ChipX86 | and waiting 10 mins on a bat |
| 20:12.09 | nullpuppy | I think I need more RAM in this thing |
| 20:12.10 | ChipX86 | you know, WoW probably takes more years off your life than smoking :( |
| 20:12.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:12.15 | pf-mobile | pf-mobile, no idea yet, apparently it gets started sometime later on in the month |
| 20:12.16 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 20:12.30 | scanlime | I picked the wrong week to quit sniffin' glue... |
| 20:12.34 | pf-mobile | goblins will visit org when it's time |
| 20:12.45 | ChipX86 | pf-mobile: talking to yourself? |
| 20:12.53 | pf-mobile | err |
| 20:12.54 | pf-mobile | yeah |
| 20:13.02 | pf-mobile | that was to you :) |
| 20:13.02 | ChipX86 | must go home and patch |
| 20:13.11 | ChipX86 | libview 0.5.1 is out! |
| 20:13.16 | nullpuppy | yay! |
| 20:13.17 | kergoth | must not be tempted by the fact that my desktop at home has a vnc server running |
| 20:13.20 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:13.26 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 20:13.29 | nullpuppy | kergoth: haha :) |
| 20:13.55 | nullpuppy | I'm just patching right now. I *will* not play yet |
| 20:14.03 | nullpuppy | and if I do.. someone shoot me ;) |
| 20:14.05 | ChipX86 | right. |
| 20:14.11 | ChipX86 | go to work |
| 20:14.22 | ChipX86 | be tortured like the rest of us |
| 20:14.23 | kergoth | why did i have to wake up late this morning, now i'm stuck here late |
| 20:14.25 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:14.25 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 20:14.33 | nullpuppy | kergoth: :( |
| 20:14.38 | ChipX86 | I was going to check my mail on WoW this morning, but noooo |
| 20:14.41 | nullpuppy | kergoth: did you see the 7 day alamr clock? |
| 20:14.44 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:14.48 | ChipX86 | I have two recipes going for 10g each. I really hope they sell |
| 20:14.51 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:14.55 | nullpuppy | head over to thinkgeek, its not he frontpage... |
| 20:15.02 | pf-mobile | I want to do the new dungeon |
| 20:15.06 | pf-mobile | hopefully raid groups will form tonight |
| 20:15.10 | kergoth | i want to do the new BG |
| 20:15.15 | pf-mobile | oh ye ah |
| 20:15.16 | pf-mobile | yeah |
| 20:15.16 | kergoth | protect the gold mine! |
| 20:15.16 | pf-mobile | that too |
| 20:15.17 | kergoth | :D |
| 20:15.27 | ChipX86 | :)) |
| 20:15.28 | nullpuppy | I want like 10 levels and new equipment |
| 20:15.36 | ChipX86 | kergoth: such a good game |
| 20:15.41 | ChipX86 | we should all play WC2 or SC or something sometime |
| 20:15.44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:15.50 | pf-mobile | haha |
| 20:15.50 | pf-mobile | yeah |
| 20:15.52 | kergoth | you know whats amazing |
| 20:15.53 | pf-mobile | zug zug |
| 20:15.55 | scanlime | mmm, SC |
| 20:15.58 | kergoth | is how many alternative engines are to old games |
| 20:16.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:16.05 | kergoth | you can get a seriously badass quake 1 engine |
| 20:16.06 | kergoth | and 2 |
| 20:16.14 | kergoth | theres even a doom 2 engine that lets you have mouse look |
| 20:16.16 | kergoth | its crazy |
| 20:16.21 | pf-mobile | crazy |
| 20:16.29 | pf-mobile | there is a doom engine that lets you use quake 1 models |
| 20:16.30 | kergoth | we were doing multiplayer doom 2 on windows xp boxes |
| 20:16.30 | pf-mobile | :) |
| 20:16.31 | kergoth | that was fun |
| 20:17.05 | pf-mobile | ooh |
| 20:17.06 | kergoth | theres a better hexen 2 engine too |
| 20:17.12 | pf-mobile | the succubus is smarter about seduction |
| 20:17.13 | kergoth | and now that quake 3 sources are out, people are enhancing that |
| 20:17.24 | pf-mobile | so she only goes after players with lots of gold? |
| 20:17.25 | pf-mobile | hehe |
| 20:18.07 | ChipX86 | I want to play |
| 20:18.15 | kergoth | i dueled a level 60 rogue last night, nearly won, even though i was stunned for most of hte battle |
| 20:18.17 | kergoth | that was amusing |
| 20:18.20 | kergoth | yay windfury |
| 20:18.27 | ChipX86 | I got my ass kicked by pirates repeatedly |
| 20:18.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:18.37 | kergoth | they respawn too fast :\ |
| 20:18.41 | ChipX86 | you know, when you eat that fish and turn into a pirate, the pirates should just ignore you |
| 20:18.44 | ChipX86 | yeah they do |
| 20:18.53 | pf-mobile | it sucks you can't get blue items from fishing anymore |
| 20:18.57 | pf-mobile | I guess people were farming it |
| 20:19.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:19.15 | ChipX86 | you can't? |
| 20:19.16 | ChipX86 | bah! |
| 20:19.21 | ChipX86 | then why fish? |
| 20:19.29 | kergoth | for health potions? |
| 20:19.31 | pf-mobile | savory deviate delights |
| 20:19.32 | pf-mobile | :) |
| 20:19.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:19.38 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:19.39 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 20:19.40 | ChipX86 | YARR! |
| 20:19.40 | kergoth | i make 3-4 gold a day from those |
| 20:20.04 | ChipX86 | I wish I could become a pirate and ride my mount at the same time |
| 20:20.14 | pf-mobile | yeah |
| 20:20.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:20.23 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 20:20.39 | kergoth | pf-mobile: do you know if tauren can ride anything other than kodos yet? |
| 20:20.47 | kergoth | i heard they were going to make it so we can ride wolves too at some point |
| 20:21.05 | kergoth | (with appropriate reputation with the orcs, naturally) |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: get windows standard release to build with pdcurses with out errors or warnings |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: all release mode stuff is now linked dynamicly with the runtimes, not static like we used to. |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: this means that we have to ship the VC Runtimes in the installer ( like we have been doing ) |
| 20:26.01 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (8 files in 8 dirs): update plugins to be MD not MT |
| 20:26.35 | *** join/#tacobeam nullpuppy (n=dustin@c-67-168-57-175.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:26.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/SAMPLE_PLUGIN.vcproj: update sample to be MD not MT |
| 20:27.28 | nullpuppy | grr, irsii/screen needs to stop not responding like that |
| 20:27.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27.46 | kergoth | accidentally hit ctrl+s or something? :P |
| 20:27.55 | nullpuppy | dunno, maybe |
| 20:28.11 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: 2.0.4rc1 tag for installer |
| 20:28.16 | kergoth | ctrl+s is software flow control, aka xon/xoff |
| 20:28.23 | kergoth | ctrl+s stops the data, ctrl+q starts it |
| 20:28.24 | ChipX86 | yay, API docs updated |
| 20:28.29 | ChipX86 | look at all the things we give for free |
| 20:28.37 | kergoth | so next time that happens, try a ctrl+q, just in case |
| 20:28.47 | nullpuppy | kergoth: yeah, I know, I did that ;) |
| 20:28.52 | nullpuppy | didn't help |
| 20:28.54 | kergoth | heh, good |
| 20:29.00 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:29.03 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 20:29.14 | nullpuppy | it may just be too much for this poor box to handle... |
| 20:29.22 | scanlime | nullpuppy: screen has its own xon/xoff commands |
| 20:29.28 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:29.32 | nullpuppy | mysql, apache2, svn, usually 2+ irssi/screen sessions |
| 20:29.40 | scanlime | nullpuppy: I think it's Ctrl-a ctrl-q, but check the help |
| 20:29.49 | nullpuppy | Linux |
| 20:29.52 | nullpuppy | Linux |
| 20:29.55 | nullpuppy | grr |
| 20:29.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29.59 | nullpuppy | Linux gremlin 2.6.10 #1 Sat Jan 29 10:38:58 PST 2005 i686 VIA Samuel 2 CentaurHauls GNU/Linux |
| 20:30.02 | nullpuppy | there we go :) |
| 20:30.13 | nullpuppy | scanlime: k |
| 20:34.14 | nullpuppy | yup, Ctrl+a q or ctrl+a ctrl+q |
| 20:36.55 | scanlime | woo |
| 20:41.26 | *** join/#tacobeam pf-mobile (n=pagefaul@66.199.241.90) |
| 20:42.10 | pf-mobile | hello |
| 20:42.17 | scanlime | that felt so good |
| 20:43.00 | pf-mobile | can't get a bus home |
| 20:43.08 | pf-mobile | there is like 200 people lined up for one bus |
| 20:43.44 | file | pf-mobile: that bites |
| 20:45.00 | pf-mobile | yeah |
| 20:51.34 | prpplague | scanlime: this ez-usb modules seem pretty handy |
| 20:56.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (6 files in 4 dirs): cleaning |
| 20:56.18 | scanlime | woo |
| 20:56.25 | scanlime | the giant bloody crack in my thumb is close to gone |
| 20:56.31 | ChipX86 | ow |
| 20:56.47 | scanlime | er, thumbnail |
| 20:57.13 | scanlime | yeah.. I slammed it against a door a while ago while carrying a computer home from one of christy's LAN parties |
| 20:57.31 | file | SIP is great |
| 20:57.32 | scanlime | cracked it a bit right next to the cuticle, got a lot of blood lodged under the nail |
| 20:57.35 | ChipX86 | that long ago? |
| 20:57.37 | file | yuck |
| 20:57.38 | ChipX86 | owww |
| 20:57.38 | scanlime | yes |
| 20:57.40 | pf-mobile | sexy internet protocol? |
| 20:57.43 | scanlime | it's had to grow out |
| 20:57.59 | ChipX86 | reminds me of when I dropped a weight on my toe and the toenail fell off |
| 20:57.59 | file | pf-mobile: I wish |
| 20:57.59 | ChipX86 | all of it |
| 20:58.01 | scanlime | you're lucky |
| 20:58.05 | pf-mobile | go go go bliz downloader |
| 20:58.13 | scanlime | I dropped a filing cabinet on my toe, and half of it was cut off |
| 20:58.18 | scanlime | it's never grown back the same since then |
| 20:58.26 | scanlime | would have been much better if the whole thing came off |
| 20:58.31 | file | SER is generating a CANCEL inside of itself |
| 20:58.33 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 20:58.40 | pf-mobile | sexy |
| 20:58.45 | file | I *think* I know why |
| 20:58.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): irc for list server.... an idea ahead of its time.. sleep my friend... sleep |
| 20:58.58 | file | JeffM2501: no sleep. |
| 20:58.59 | pf-mobile | the only thing I hate about blizzard is that they are not firewall friendly when it comes to updates |
| 20:59.30 | file | hrm... |
| 20:59.34 | file | I have an idea. |
| 20:59.38 | ChipX86 | pf-mobile: yeah |
| 20:59.51 | pf-mobile | I might have to wait until I get home to patch |
| 20:59.56 | ChipX86 | who uses a firewall though! Nobody, that's who. Except everyone using broadband or any kind of internet security suite |
| 21:00.17 | pf-mobile | well I am trying to update at university and they block almost every port known to man |
| 21:00.20 | nullpuppy | i.e., 95% of MMO players :) |
| 21:01.13 | file | if it's the first contact, it has to rewrite the URI - any additional ones get branch appended |
| 21:01.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/ (87 files in 2 dirs): no data for things that are unused |
| 21:01.37 | file | did I mention SIP is great? |
| 21:01.53 | file | now I have to add a linked list of contact transactions to each call |
| 21:02.37 | pf-mobile | verizon is offering 30mbit fiber connections for $59 |
| 21:02.46 | file | mmmhmmm |
| 21:02.59 | file | 3 of those and I'd be happy |
| 21:03.01 | nullpuppy | thats it, screw blizzard, /me abuses his allakhazam account |
| 21:06.21 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/ (gemini_users.c gemini_users.h): |
| 21:06.21 | CIA-5 | asterlink: Add ignore flag for contact to user entries, so that people can get their DID number |
| 21:06.21 | CIA-5 | asterlink: that was dialed for the call. |
| 21:06.32 | prpplague | scanlime: looks like a usb->serial adapter with the ez-usb is probably the best choice |
| 21:06.37 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (data/logo.png misc/art/logo.psd): add data for the things we WILL be using |
| 21:12.33 | file | this is really fun |
| 21:14.28 | darth_mall | crap |
| 21:14.33 | darth_mall | something's not lining up right in this data file |
| 21:18.37 | file | pf-mobile: are you just... chilling? |
| 21:36.35 | file | wow, branching is working |
| 21:36.38 | file | I'm afraid... |
| 21:37.55 | CIA-5 | asterlink: 03jcolp * 10gemini/gemini_progress.c: Add a note regarding response 482 (Loop Detected) |
| 21:39.07 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8900 10motion/turing-data-anova.xls: First two questions done on the second sheet. |
| 21:40.51 | purple_cow | wow it's pleasant outside3 |
| 21:41.28 | purple_cow | and goddamn i'm beginning to hate those "CU creative writing program" things they're putting in the advertisement strips on the hops |
| 21:41.53 | purple_cow | having an incomprehensible metaphor does NOT make it good |
| 21:46.17 | file | handling of CANCEL needs to be rewritten to take into account branching... just bloody great |
| 21:48.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8901 10motion/turing-data-anova.xls: There, that does it for all the data. |
| 21:49.29 | scanlime | damnit this is slow today |
| 21:49.53 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:49.57 | scanlime | now I'm still waiting on updating a couple other bugs... |
| 21:49.59 | kergoth | whee, wrote a .bbclass/.inc for oe to quickly and easily point a given package to a local path for its extracted sources to bulid in |
| 21:50.10 | kergoth | so you can develop on something in a local tree and use oe to build/package it easily |
| 21:50.16 | kergoth | makes the fetch/unpack/patch a NOOP |
| 21:54.09 | darth_mall | purple_cow: do you have a moment to look in the turing data gnumeric file and tell me what "Class NA" means? |
| 21:59.25 | purple_cow | numerical analysis |
| 21:59.33 | purple_cow | basically num comp |
| 21:59.52 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8902 10motion/turing-data-anova.xls: Add a legend and send this off to Dr. Luftig. |
| 22:00.58 | kergoth | hee |
| 22:03.48 | ChipX86 | scanlime: we're dealing with someone obviously better than us |
| 22:03.51 | ChipX86 | don't disrespect him |
| 22:04.00 | file[laptop] | ooh |
| 22:04.03 | scanlime | why does it not surprise me that this nutcase has certifications and cash coming out the wazoo? :P |
| 22:04.14 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 22:04.21 | ChipX86 | he makes 120G a year |
| 22:04.22 | darth_mall | purple_cow: ah, ok |
| 22:04.22 | ChipX86 | ack |
| 22:04.25 | ChipX86 | 120K |
| 22:04.32 | ChipX86 | too much WoW |
| 22:04.34 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:05.30 | purple_cow | 120G is a lot |
| 22:06.17 | nullpuppy | bwahhahaa, unhandled exceptions all over the place. I rule ;0 |
| 22:06.17 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 22:06.29 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: rofl! |
| 22:06.30 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8903 10motion/turing-data-anova.xls: Make a note that NA == Numerical Analysis in the legend. |
| 22:06.48 | darth_mall | yay for being done with reformatting that data! |
| 22:07.07 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I hope I'm not wrong in that |
| 22:07.14 | ChipX86 | but Regis knows nothing about any hard-coded memory limit |
| 22:08.06 | kergoth | <koen> did you catch the quote of the philips people? |
| 22:08.06 | kergoth | <kergoth> nope |
| 22:08.06 | kergoth | <koen> "montavista tools suck, that's why we use OE now" |
| 22:08.07 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:09.47 | ChipX86 | nothing's getting done now. I have nothing to do. |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | "> As a part of CELF I've been instructed to look into ways that |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | > OpenEmbedded can be improved. As a first step I'm posting this |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | > message and asking for suggestions of areas where people see a need |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | > for improvement in OE. All suggestions are welcome. I should add that |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | > CELF does have some funding available to help pay for some |
| 22:09.52 | kergoth | > improvements. " |
| 22:09.59 | ChipX86 | no bugs I can really tackle, no projects on my plate |
| 22:10.01 | ChipX86 | this sucks |
| 22:10.14 | ChipX86 | kergoth: nice |
| 22:10.20 | scanlime | ChipX86: I have no idea what the memory limits are, so... |
| 22:10.21 | nullpuppy | you could download the new wow patch ;) |
| 22:10.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:10.30 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: I'm at work |
| 22:10.38 | kergoth | nullpuppy: you have the .torrent handy? |
| 22:10.39 | nullpuppy | so? :P |
| 22:10.42 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I don't think we have any. I think 4.x did |
| 22:10.43 | kergoth | could at least get a btdownloadcurses going |
| 22:10.44 | kergoth | at home |
| 22:10.47 | nullpuppy | I didn't say play ;) |
| 22:10.48 | ChipX86 | nah |
| 22:10.56 | scanlime | ChipX86: I'm not sure we can handle over 64GB yet... ;) |
| 22:11.01 | nullpuppy | kergoth: nope, downloading from allakhazam |
| 22:11.02 | ChipX86 | well yeah |
| 22:11.03 | nullpuppy | I was lazy |
| 22:11.06 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:11.07 | ChipX86 | I mean we don't set 3GB or anything stupid |
| 22:11.10 | kergoth | didnt realize they have the patches |
| 22:11.17 | kergoth | i usually extract the torrent from the downloader exe |
| 22:11.20 | nullpuppy | I can give ya my login info if ya want.. but would require to to vnc in or something... |
| 22:11.26 | nullpuppy | ah, cool |
| 22:11.43 | nullpuppy | premium members have access to the patches at god awful speeds |
| 22:11.54 | nullpuppy | ($9.99/3 months) |
| 22:12.33 | scanlime | ChipX86: you could take the documentation bug I just filed ;) |
| 22:12.37 | nullpuppy | ya know.. I need a large squishy ball that says "code" on it |
| 22:12.38 | ChipX86 | nooo thanks |
| 22:12.42 | nullpuppy | cause then I really could poke it |
| 22:12.57 | scanlime | you can poke at things that aren't squishy, it's just less fun |
| 22:13.10 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah. but thats the point ;) |
| 22:13.44 | nullpuppy | hmm, I wonder anyone makes large koosh ball type things |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth | heh, when i die, i want to go the way my grandpa did |
| 22:14.37 | kergoth | he made arrangements right |
| 22:14.40 | kergoth | no fancy coffin |
| 22:14.53 | kergoth | he's getting cremated, so he asks "how much for a plywood box?" |
| 22:14.55 | kergoth | they're alll .. $2k |
| 22:15.01 | kergoth | he goes okay, how much for a cardboard box? |
| 22:15.05 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:15.14 | kergoth | no funeral service at all |
| 22:15.19 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 22:15.20 | kergoth | he wants a party |
| 22:15.24 | kergoth | which is great, thats what i want |
| 22:15.25 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 22:15.38 | kergoth | fuck these stupid lets all get together and feel sorry for ourselves things |
| 22:16.39 | scanlime | I can see doing that if you're old and you know in advance you're going to die... |
| 22:16.50 | scanlime | the only funeral I've been to though was for a friend that committed suicide |
| 22:16.56 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:16.59 | kergoth | :( |
| 22:17.04 | ChipX86 | that's got to be hard |
| 22:17.07 | scanlime | a party for that would have just been wrong :P |
| 22:17.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:17.20 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 22:17.23 | kergoth | i'll put it in my will |
| 22:17.33 | nullpuppy | I haven't had to deal with that thankfully |
| 22:17.33 | kergoth | you have to hold a party, and if theres no alcohol, i'm coming back and haunting your ass |
| 22:17.38 | file[laptop] | LOL |
| 22:17.39 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 22:17.51 | nullpuppy | hrm :/ can't find my stress ball that I got at itec |
| 22:18.15 | kergoth | i love having a stress ball. helps to have something to occupy the hands while you're thinking about designs and stuff |
| 22:18.17 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 22:18.35 | darth_mall | >< |
| 22:18.56 | nullpuppy | ooh, there it is |
| 22:19.06 | nullpuppy | kergoth: yeah, tis why I wanted it ;) |
| 22:19.32 | scanlime | nullpuppy: he wasn't a real close friend, but I saw him on the bus every day and I had a great time talking to him.. he had a really unique sense of humor |
| 22:19.42 | kergoth | :( |
| 22:19.53 | scanlime | nullpuppy: but then he transferred to a different school, everyone there were jerks, and he couldn't take it any more :( |
| 22:19.59 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 22:20.10 | nullpuppy | that sucks |
| 22:20.17 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:21.05 | kergoth | whew, thank god for svn switch. saved me from another 1 gig source checkout over the lan |
| 22:21.05 | nullpuppy | grr, patch dl failed the laptop, finished on goliath though ;) |
| 22:21.06 | nullpuppy | kergoth: lol |
| 22:21.06 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 22:21.26 | nullpuppy | kergoth: what are guys developing btw? |
| 22:22.46 | kergoth | oh awesome, svn switch notices if svn:externals definitions change, and does an svn switch on them as well |
| 22:22.48 | kergoth | was worried about that |
| 22:22.59 | nullpuppy | neat |
| 22:23.33 | kergoth | nullpuppy: right now we're doing bugfixes and new features on an existing product, the powerlink 100. its a linux box with 4 network ports, designed to do load balancing across multiple wan links |
| 22:23.42 | kergoth | usually sits between the firewall and the actual dsl routers or whatever |
| 22:23.52 | nullpuppy | ah, ok, cool |
| 22:24.03 | scanlime | oh, neat |
| 22:24.08 | scanlime | that would have been handy for us a while back |
| 22:24.13 | ChipX86 | pango ellipsizing was added in 2.6, right? |
| 22:24.32 | scanlime | I think so |
| 22:24.35 | ChipX86 | meh |
| 22:25.18 | darth_mall | bah |
| 22:25.21 | darth_mall | Java makes me cranky |
| 22:30.06 | ChipX86 | everything is so slow on my box lately |
| 22:30.19 | scanlime | why does outlook think it knows my "favorite folders" |
| 22:30.35 | scanlime | I kind of like inbox, but wince when is "unread mail" my favorite? I like mail that I've already read |
| 22:30.37 | ChipX86 | because MS knows better than you what you want |
| 22:31.09 | kergoth | hmm, i wonder if any of the switches i own support bonding |
| 22:31.12 | kergoth | thatd be kinda cool |
| 22:31.27 | scanlime | ooh, kergoth's gettin kinky |
| 22:31.32 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:31.47 | ChipX86 | I'll just do a "search" for, oh I don't know, latex bondage |
| 22:31.55 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:31.58 | kergoth | excellent idea |
| 22:32.37 | kergoth | i love how everyone in the company here took to the internal mediawiki so quickly |
| 22:32.47 | kergoth | when they didnt even know what a wiki was |
| 22:33.21 | darth_mall | dammit all to hell |
| 22:33.27 | kergoth | :( |
| 22:33.55 | ChipX86 | scanlime: james claims cake is on the premises |
| 22:34.15 | ChipX86 | is there a chance I spelled that wrong? |
| 22:34.19 | scanlime | hmm, I see... |
| 22:34.36 | ChipX86 | where's cake? Is there an e-mail the mail server isn't showing me? :( |
| 22:34.45 | scanlime | yes |
| 22:34.48 | kergoth | i actually liked that one aol commercial, where the customer brings the cake |
| 22:34.48 | scanlime | it's in the cafeteria |
| 22:34.49 | ChipX86 | nooooo |
| 22:34.52 | scanlime | I saw it when I was getting coffee |
| 22:34.53 | ChipX86 | yayyyy |
| 22:34.56 | ChipX86 | where? |
| 22:35.04 | scanlime | you won't miss it |
| 22:35.10 | scanlime | it's on the big table |
| 22:35.11 | file[laptop] | go Chip go! |
| 22:35.27 | ChipX86 | but.. wraplabel :( |
| 22:36.19 | CIA-5 | OpenGameFramework: 03jeffm2501 * 10OGF/inc/ (materials.h modelManager.h): whitespace and stuff |
| 22:36.39 | ChipX86 | mmmm wrap label makes everything good |
| 22:36.53 | CIA-5 | OpenGameFramework: 03jeffm2501 * 10OGF/src/ (drawlist.cpp materials.cpp): whitespace and stuff |
| 22:37.34 | scanlime | hah |
| 22:37.46 | scanlime | so we have one USB device we're testing with that has a bunch of really bright red LEDs on it |
| 22:37.54 | scanlime | I just saw it in chris's office, inside a cardboard box |
| 22:38.01 | scanlime | I guess the lights were driving him a little nuts :) |
| 22:38.16 | scanlime | the box is still kinda glowing red |
| 22:40.31 | ChipX86 | finally fixing this horribly annoying thing I hate with words explaining the hatred |
| 22:42.44 | ChipX86 | what else can I do.. |
| 22:43.10 | darth_mall | hrm |
| 22:43.18 | darth_mall | scons won't let me build my java apps |
| 22:43.46 | ChipX86 | you know what Workstation is missing? |
| 22:43.50 | ChipX86 | arrows on everything |
| 22:43.54 | scanlime | arrows? |
| 22:43.57 | ChipX86 | we need to keep up and put an arrow on every UI component |
| 22:43.58 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:44.00 | scanlime | I think it needs help balloons |
| 22:44.02 | ChipX86 | like Office 12 and Vista use |
| 22:44.11 | ChipX86 | everything has a little arrow that makes something either appear or go away |
| 22:44.13 | scanlime | is Office 12 the real name? |
| 22:44.16 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:44.18 | ChipX86 | so far |
| 22:44.20 | scanlime | hah |
| 22:44.30 | ChipX86 | i'm sure it'll change |
| 22:44.33 | scanlime | where's office 11 through.. uh.. 7? |
| 22:44.39 | ChipX86 | dunno |
| 22:44.43 | scanlime | I remember Word 6, but I didn't think they had numbers after that |
| 22:44.44 | ChipX86 | version numbers mean nothing |
| 22:45.02 | scanlime | soon we'll be using greek letters |
| 22:45.09 | scanlime | Office sigma.delta.2 |
| 22:46.16 | nullpuppy | hmm.. office 95 (7), office 97 (8), then 2000 (9) xp (10) 2003 (11) |
| 22:46.33 | nullpuppy | not sure of prior to then |
| 22:46.52 | scanlime | I think 95 might have been 6 |
| 22:47.10 | nullpuppy | might be, I'm not positive on the numbering ;) |
| 22:47.17 | nullpuppy | I know xp was 10 and 2003 was 11 though |
| 22:47.51 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 22:48.05 | scanlime | where is it? I don't know. But I can darn well tell you where it's not.. the universe! |
| 22:48.16 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 22:48.18 | ChipX86 | good cake |
| 22:48.24 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:48.25 | ChipX86 | and there's like 4 or 5 of them |
| 22:48.27 | scanlime | hmm, cake |
| 22:48.28 | ChipX86 | I wonder why we have so much cake |
| 22:48.30 | kergoth | ChipX86: any idea how to include one wiki page into another in mediawiki? |
| 22:48.34 | nullpuppy | I want cake ;( |
| 22:48.36 | ChipX86 | kergoth: yep |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | ChipX86: i.e. to pull a subpage into the main one |
| 22:48.38 | ChipX86 | there's a special syntax |
| 22:48.47 | scanlime | ChipX86: 'cuz of people like me that keep forgetting and end up stumbling down there at 5:30 expecting to still find cake |
| 22:48.50 | ChipX86 | it's like {{PageName}} |
| 22:49.03 | ChipX86 | my cake looks like it has tuna in it |
| 22:49.12 | ChipX86 | it doesn't taste like tuna, but it looks like tuna |
| 22:49.18 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 22:49.27 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: how odd! |
| 22:50.03 | ChipX86 | we could put arrows on the tabs |
| 22:50.03 | scanlime | hmm.. $625 for a bedroom in a 3-br townhouse |
| 22:50.06 | ChipX86 | if you click the arrow, the tab opens |
| 22:50.13 | kergoth | ChipX86: i tried that. it doesnt work :( |
| 22:50.15 | scanlime | that doesn't make $850 for a full 1-br apartment look too bad |
| 22:50.15 | ChipX86 | if the tab's already opened, it goes to the next tab |
| 22:50.51 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:50.52 | kergoth | now it does |
| 22:50.54 | kergoth | i had a typo :) |
| 22:50.57 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 22:51.10 | ChipX86 | this is really sweet tuna cake |
| 22:51.13 | kergoth | i've got a hierarchical layout for my developmetn tasks in my wiki |
| 22:51.21 | kergoth | i.e. Development/Tasks/OE/[task] |
| 22:51.22 | nullpuppy | gah, screw it, /me does this the longer way, since the easy way is turning out to not work like he expected |
| 22:51.29 | kergoth | and i want to show the entire hierarchy on one page when you go to tasks |
| 22:51.33 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: :/ |
| 22:52.10 | nullpuppy | oh well |
| 22:52.24 | scanlime | heh. what language? |
| 22:52.29 | nullpuppy | well.. I could still do that.. but one line to do that would be nice |
| 22:52.32 | nullpuppy | c# :( |
| 22:52.38 | scanlime | ah, yeah |
| 22:52.45 | scanlime | C#'s database API takes lots of getting used to |
| 22:52.46 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:52.52 | scanlime | well, .net's |
| 22:52.54 | kergoth | ChipX86: now i want to mangle the included page :P |
| 22:53.02 | nullpuppy | OdbcDataReader.GetValues(Object[]) |
| 22:53.06 | kergoth | ChipX86: to add an additional * to the beginning of the bullets, so its indentation is correct.. |
| 22:53.08 | ChipX86 | kergoth: you can set up special pages that have variables and then stuff data into them |
| 22:53.13 | ChipX86 | kergoth: oh |
| 22:53.18 | kergoth | thatd work |
| 22:53.18 | ChipX86 | good luck :P |
| 22:53.18 | nullpuppy | which is nice and all.. but I need Object[]'s size to be variable |
| 22:53.25 | nullpuppy | hmm. actually |
| 22:53.25 | kergoth | just have a variable to hold the indentation level |
| 22:53.28 | ChipX86 | I can't remember the syntax now |
| 22:53.30 | kergoth | the base indentation level,t hat is |
| 22:53.31 | ChipX86 | but it's in the galago wiki |
| 22:53.32 | nullpuppy | that might work afterall |
| 22:53.38 | kergoth | i love mediawiki |
| 22:53.41 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 22:53.50 | scanlime | nullpuppy: can't you just save the database row object? |
| 22:53.56 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 22:53.59 | ChipX86 | I never noticed this before |
| 22:53.59 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Tasks/Development .. getting there |
| 22:54.09 | scanlime | oh yeah, cake |
| 22:54.15 | kergoth | ew, thats an ugly url, i should fix that |
| 22:54.16 | ChipX86 | no the Hot Keys page in prefs, if you click Custom, you then have the options for Ctl Alt and Shift as: Down, Up, and Don't Care |
| 22:54.26 | ChipX86 | Don't care? |
| 22:54.46 | ChipX86 | "hot key: don't care" that just makes me wonder a bit |
| 22:55.00 | nullpuppy | w00t! |
| 22:55.07 | nullpuppy | Object[] items = new Object[reader.FieldCount]; |
| 22:55.10 | nullpuppy | that was easy |
| 22:55.46 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: lol |
| 22:56.53 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: hahahahaha, that's awesome |
| 22:57.00 | ChipX86 | I have no idea what it does :) |
| 22:57.20 | nullpuppy | i wonder if it's supposed to mean both |
| 22:57.27 | ChipX86 | I guess |
| 22:57.40 | scanlime | mmm |
| 22:57.44 | scanlime | the chocolate cake is great |
| 22:57.48 | nullpuppy | erm, wait.. how the hell would that work |
| 22:57.53 | scanlime | there's a layer of something resembling cream cheese icing in the middle |
| 22:58.08 | nullpuppy | that sounds yummy :( |
| 22:58.11 | ChipX86 | it's even in the windows product |
| 22:58.35 | scanlime | it was probably an intern project ;) |
| 22:58.39 | nullpuppy | yeah, I was looking at 5.5 in windows ;) |
| 22:59.34 | nullpuppy | ok, yay. time to clean up some code and make this work right |
| 23:01.29 | nullpuppy | whoops, simplying converting an Object[] type to a string doesn't work too well |
| 23:01.53 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 23:02.18 | darth_mall | since Nate pretty much asked me to get our assignment working, I think I will rewrite it with a design I'm more comfortable with |
| 23:02.58 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:07.14 | ChipX86 | kergoth: now I really need to get my fishing up |
| 23:09.22 | nullpuppy | damn, hrm |
| 23:10.30 | *** join/#tacobeam Psy (n=Psy@host-84-9-64-43.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 23:10.32 | Psy | Hello there |
| 23:13.35 | *** part/#tacobeam Psy (n=Psy@host-84-9-64-43.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 23:13.39 | ChipX86 | hi! |
| 23:13.42 | ChipX86 | oh no! I missed him :( |
| 23:14.13 | kergoth | ChipX86: http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Tasks/Development |
| 23:14.14 | darth_mall | that was fun |
| 23:14.17 | kergoth | got it to work using a template variable |
| 23:14.25 | kergoth | but now when you view the subpage, you see the ugly template format :( |
| 23:14.33 | kergoth | need to find a way to hide it when you're viewing it directly |
| 23:14.36 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 23:14.47 | ChipX86 | move it to a Template:Whatever |
| 23:14.51 | darth_mall | is there any reason to use a ternary operator over an if statement? |
| 23:14.51 | ChipX86 | and have the other page include that one |
| 23:15.00 | kergoth | thatd work |
| 23:15.03 | ChipX86 | I need to set up a personal wiki |
| 23:15.49 | nullpuppy | w00t, crappy authentication works, now to start playing with sending data back and forth... yay |
| 23:17.33 | kergoth | ChipX86: i'd really rather have the pages act as dual purpose template/normal rather than move them into the template namespace.. |
| 23:17.38 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:17.41 | kergoth | i'm reading about these includeonly and notinclude tags |
| 23:17.50 | kergoth | that you can use to hide content from each |
| 23:17.54 | kergoth | havent gottten em to work yet tho |
| 23:19.33 | nullpuppy | nope |
| 23:19.53 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy: now you know, and knowing is half the battle |
| 23:19.58 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 23:20.17 | nullpuppy | hehe, yup ;) |
| 23:27.02 | nullpuppy | hrm, been a while since i've commited the client code, whoops |
| 23:32.24 | ChipX86 | stupid rio |
| 23:32.33 | pagefault_ | I love my H10 |
| 23:32.40 | file[laptop] | uh oh it's pagefault |
| 23:32.41 | ChipX86 | mine's just broken |
| 23:32.45 | pagefault_ | the latest firmware has fixed any remaining issues I had with it |
| 23:32.46 | ChipX86 | has been for a while |
| 23:32.49 | pagefault_ | it's not sluggish at all now |
| 23:32.53 | ChipX86 | like, physically broken |
| 23:32.54 | pagefault_ | if only it played ogg |
| 23:33.22 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 23:33.37 | pagefault_ | does that do ogg? |
| 23:33.38 | nullpuppy | only plays mp3/wma though :( |
| 23:33.40 | nullpuppy | nope |
| 23:33.41 | pagefault_ | oh well |
| 23:33.44 | nullpuppy | at least.. not yet |
| 23:33.46 | pagefault_ | I have given up on ogg |
| 23:33.49 | pagefault_ | sure it's a nice format |
| 23:33.53 | nullpuppy | yeah, looks nice though |
| 23:33.55 | pagefault_ | but I just don't see too many players supporting it |
| 23:34.01 | nullpuppy | yeah :( |
| 23:34.14 | pagefault_ | i'll just stick to 192kbps VBR mp3s |
| 23:34.35 | purple_cow | hurray |
| 23:34.37 | purple_cow | http://david.navi.cx/paranoia/introduction.html |
| 23:34.40 | nullpuppy | I would've liked to get an iriver, and in hindsight, I should've checked on prices and availability before getting the touch, oh well |
| 23:34.42 | purple_cow | access:oranges |
| 23:34.49 | pagefault_ | yeah I have an iriver |
| 23:34.53 | pagefault_ | the player I wanted to get originally supported ogg |
| 23:34.54 | nullpuppy | coolo |
| 23:35.00 | pagefault_ | but apparently they don't make that one anymore |
| 23:35.00 | nullpuppy | s/coolo/cool/ |
| 23:35.06 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 23:35.09 | pagefault_ | mine is smaller than an ipod mini though |
| 23:35.13 | pagefault_ | and I can actually remove the battery |
| 23:35.26 | nullpuppy | hehe, cool |
| 23:35.33 | pagefault_ | that was a big issue for me |
| 23:35.38 | pagefault_ | I want to be able to just buy a new battery easily |
| 23:35.44 | nullpuppy | one of my bosses got a zen micro |
| 23:35.46 | nullpuppy | thing is tiny |
| 23:35.47 | file[laptop] | pagefault_: is that the one you showed me? |
| 23:35.52 | pagefault_ | file[laptop], yeah |
| 23:36.02 | nullpuppy | uses one of those wierd cell-phone-like batteries though |
| 23:36.02 | ChipX86 | silly mnemonics being way too complicated on big dialogs |
| 23:36.07 | ChipX86 | we need something better |
| 23:36.22 | pagefault_ | plus it seems to be durable |
| 23:36.27 | pagefault_ | i've dropped it so many times |
| 23:36.31 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: have you found out what the Don't care option does yet? :) |
| 23:36.35 | scanlime | purple_cow: "You works with many Troubleshooters" |
| 23:36.39 | ChipX86 | yeah, it's basically Ignore |
| 23:36.44 | ChipX86 | it can be either, it doesn't matter |
| 23:36.48 | ChipX86 | take the key out of the equation |
| 23:36.53 | pagefault_ | I shelled out for the extended warranty though |
| 23:36.55 | ChipX86 | the others require it to be in those states |
| 23:37.23 | pagefault_ | I was thinking about an ipod, but I really wanted a built in tuner |
| 23:37.26 | pagefault_ | and built in voice recoder |
| 23:37.45 | kergoth | yay, home |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | woot, downloading ong bak (thai warrior) from ubermovie |
| 23:38.13 | pagefault_ | oh great |
| 23:38.16 | pagefault_ | I left ares open all day |
| 23:38.31 | kergoth | nullpuppy: no darkwing duck |
| 23:38.54 | ChipX86 | :(( |
| 23:38.58 | pagefault_ | file[laptop], how is your ipod? |
| 23:39.03 | nullpuppy | kergoth: k :( |
| 23:39.11 | file[laptop] | peachy, my in ear headphones should be here tomorrow hopefully |
| 23:39.16 | pagefault_ | nice |
| 23:39.18 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: ah, ok |
| 23:39.20 | file[laptop] | and I got the extended warranty on my iPod too... |
| 23:39.32 | kergoth | whee, time to work on the addon set |
| 23:39.40 | pagefault_ | I just want to be able to swap it if and when it screws up |
| 23:40.04 | nullpuppy | hmm, power bill |
| 23:40.23 | nullpuppy | holy crap |
| 23:40.25 | pagefault_ | file[laptop], they have 22" cinema displays at university |
| 23:40.28 | pagefault_ | they are so nice |
| 23:40.30 | nullpuppy | thats fscking nuts |
| 23:40.51 | pagefault_ | they got rid of the CRT's over the summer |
| 23:40.53 | nullpuppy | 63 days in the cycle, average power consumption from last year wsa 58KWH's |
| 23:40.58 | pagefault_ | and got all new dual CPU G5's |
| 23:40.59 | nullpuppy | this year, 28KWH's |
| 23:41.17 | nullpuppy | turning the furnace off over the summer saved 30KWH's per day |
| 23:42.30 | purple_cow | yay, much nicer |
| 23:43.50 | nullpuppy | its too bad i probably won't be able to leave the heater off over the winter, I like small power bills :/ |
| 23:44.09 | scanlime | you should replace all of vmware's SVGs with 16x16 icons |
| 23:44.14 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 23:44.19 | *** join/#tacobeam Nara (n=psycocat@adsl-67-121-225-230.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 23:44.21 | ChipX86 | can I then stretch them to 48x48? |
| 23:44.22 | ChipX86 | heya :) |
| 23:44.27 | Nara | Yo! |
| 23:44.29 | scanlime | ChipX86: it's mandatory |
| 23:44.31 | Nara | Much love! |
| 23:44.36 | ChipX86 | scanlime: we need to compete with Windows. We *must* ruin the UI |
| 23:44.40 | pagefault_ | vmware should use wmf |
| 23:44.43 | pagefault_ | the superior format |
| 23:44.44 | scanlime | Nara: yes, that's mandatory too |
| 23:44.48 | ChipX86 | Nara: how goes you? |
| 23:44.58 | Nara | Goes good. ^^ |
| 23:45.11 | Nara | Now...what's mandatory? |
| 23:45.28 | pagefault_ | to eat a muffin |
| 23:45.37 | Nara | mmmm...muffins... |
| 23:45.41 | purple_cow | uh oh, scanlime's getting into the spirit of this game :) |
| 23:45.43 | Nara | my favorite |
| 23:45.48 | ChipX86 | Nara: MS is making word look, um... indescribable: http://osiris.chipx86.com/new-word.png |
| 23:45.51 | scanlime | purple_cow: :) |
| 23:45.54 | ChipX86 | so I'm coming up with ways to ruin our product's UI |
| 23:46.11 | Nara | *dies* |
| 23:46.23 | Nara | brb |
| 23:46.27 | darth_mall | hi Nara |
| 23:46.29 | ChipX86 | Nara: and that will only cost you $400 or so |
| 23:46.29 | darth_mall | oh fine |
| 23:46.32 | darth_mall | just go away then |
| 23:46.32 | scanlime | ChipX86: you could add frivolous features, like a video driver that does spell checking! |
| 23:46.37 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yay! |
| 23:46.42 | ChipX86 | video cards really should do spell checking |
| 23:46.43 | pagefault_ | you need a office buddy |
| 23:46.46 | pagefault_ | vmware buddy |
| 23:46.50 | ChipX86 | >:) |
| 23:46.52 | pagefault_ | he can help you set up your VM |
| 23:46.57 | ChipX86 | still need EasterEggOS |
| 23:47.52 | pagefault_ | oh wow |
| 23:47.56 | pagefault_ | looks like I won't be using office anymore |
| 23:48.11 | ChipX86 | pagefault_: but isn't it great?! |
| 23:48.14 | ChipX86 | look at all the arrows! |
| 23:48.25 | ChipX86 | every widget must have an arrow. It's the rule. |
| 23:48.52 | scanlime | flooooo |
| 23:49.45 | ChipX86 | Nara: they gave us cake |
| 23:49.46 | pagefault_ | I wonder what excel is right |
| 23:49.47 | pagefault_ | err like |
| 23:49.52 | pagefault_ | every cell has an arrow? |
| 23:49.55 | ChipX86 | it's tuna cake |
| 23:50.10 | purple_cow | http://www.sun.com/emrkt/rejected/ |
| 23:50.10 | scanlime | ChipX86 and I didn't eat the same cake :P |
| 23:50.10 | ChipX86 | pagefault_: hopefully it's 3D. I'm tired of these two-dimensional spreadsheets |
| 23:50.13 | Nara | ^__^ |
| 23:50.19 | ChipX86 | it looks like tuna :( |
| 23:50.25 | ChipX86 | but it tastes like a sugar overload! |
| 23:50.30 | Nara | I got Kix...yummy |
| 23:50.34 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 23:50.52 | ChipX86 | someone needs to have a talk with facilities and have them bring back Cinnamon Toast Crunch |
| 23:51.03 | scanlime | purple_cow: haha |
| 23:51.29 | scanlime | ChipX86: and more importantly, chai |
| 23:51.34 | darth_mall | ChipX86: best cereal evar |
| 23:51.41 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: it really is |
| 23:51.53 | ChipX86 | I want Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs |
| 23:52.09 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 23:52.48 | ChipX86 | someone needs to review my super duper diff |
| 23:53.17 | pagefault_ | vmware is spreading throughout my classes |
| 23:53.25 | ChipX86 | it's a virus |
| 23:53.28 | pagefault_ | apparently no one thought it was possible to run an OS on top of another one |
| 23:53.44 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:53.45 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 23:53.47 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 23:53.53 | ChipX86 | just wait until they see what we have coming up next |
| 23:54.00 | pagefault_ | two OSes at once?!? |
| 23:54.06 | ChipX86 | you can already do that! |
| 23:54.09 | Nara | Chipx86: I'm talkin to Jojo! |
| 23:54.18 | ChipX86 | Nara: yay! how is she? |
| 23:54.25 | Nara | good |
| 23:54.33 | ChipX86 | tell her I send my love |
| 23:54.33 | Nara | ^^ or so she says |
| 23:54.36 | Nara | kk |
| 23:54.38 | pagefault_ | how about a WoW VM |
| 23:54.43 | pagefault_ | one that just plays WoW |
| 23:54.47 | ChipX86 | mmm |
| 23:54.47 | scanlime | pagefault_: soon VMs will have access to complex devices like mice and CD-ROMs! |
| 23:54.51 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 23:54.55 | darth_mall | dammit! |
| 23:54.59 | ChipX86 | and USB! |
| 23:55.01 | darth_mall | my changes caused more tests to fail |
| 23:55.08 | pagefault_ | wow CD-ROM maybe |
| 23:55.10 | pagefault_ | but never a DVD-ROM |
| 23:55.13 | pagefault_ | that would be unpossible |
| 23:55.15 | scanlime | nah, USB is still too hard |
| 23:55.37 | scanlime | you'll never see USB being emulated properly |
| 23:56.20 | pagefault_ | syncing your mp3 player within a VM is just too cool |
| 23:56.21 | Nara | ChipX86: she says hi |
| 23:57.00 | pagefault_ | especially when your firmware upgrade has to be done in windows |
| 23:57.04 | pagefault_ | it's a lifesaver |
| 23:57.38 | scanlime | pagefault_: unpossible! |
| 23:57.49 | pagefault_ | yeah you are right |
| 23:57.51 | pagefault_ | I photoshopped it |
| 23:57.55 | pagefault_ | :( |
| 23:58.11 | scanlime | wow, I didn't know photoshop could upgrade MP3 players |
| 23:58.16 | pagefault_ | it can do anything |
| 23:58.25 | scanlime | I should go work for them then |
| 23:58.42 | ChipX86 | meh, regis doesn't like my fix, because he thinks wraplabel is a hack that won't work forever |
| 23:58.56 | pagefault_ | is that his final answer? |
| 23:59.00 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 23:59.07 | ChipX86 | he said so be it, commit it, but he doesn't like it |
| 23:59.48 | pagefault_ | get the intern to fix it |
