| 00:02.43 | scanlime | aww |
| 00:02.49 | scanlime | 'eject' doesn't work on my disk array |
| 00:05.05 | kergoth | boooored |
| 00:05.33 | numist | I just gave my sister an account to my gallery, this will get interesting |
| 00:08.17 | scanlime | wow. this disk has all the audio |
| 00:08.17 | scanlime | yay |
| 00:09.10 | numist | :) |
| 00:09.40 | scanlime | am I the only one that labels hard disks like most people label CD-Rs, with markers? |
| 00:10.45 | numist | nah, Ive been known to do it too |
| 00:10.50 | scanlime | ok, good |
| 00:10.58 | numist | although, if you want to get the marker off, paint thinner is your friend |
| 00:11.08 | scanlime | fingernail polish remover works well too |
| 00:12.05 | scanlime | I think if I do this right I can fit the parts of navi I actually care about on 4 disks... |
| 00:12.16 | scanlime | and if I change my mind, I always have the backups |
| 00:14.49 | scanlime | wow |
| 00:15.57 | scanlime | http://yoshi.navi.cx/~micah/groups-fsview.png |
| 00:20.08 | numist | dang, dude |
| 00:20.39 | purple_cow | no more composers? :) |
| 00:20.49 | scanlime | nah, I can live without composers |
| 00:21.33 | scanlime | and if I really need some classical music, I have navi-backup or I can bother you folks |
| 00:22.20 | scanlime | 'freaky friday'? |
| 00:24.37 | purple_cow | probably Cae :P |
| 00:25.21 | scanlime | it sure is nice having separate activity lights for each disk |
| 00:26.25 | scanlime | hehe, buck rogers |
| 00:26.30 | scanlime | in the year 1987! |
| 00:27.10 | darth_mall | heh |
| 00:28.06 | scanlime | this is so cheesy |
| 00:28.08 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:29.21 | scanlime | guh. the bored kiddie is still in #vmware |
| 00:31.53 | purple_cow | yay kiddies |
| 00:34.19 | scanlime | http://pastebin.com/342676 |
| 00:35.00 | scanlime | that channel really needs a huge disclaimer that it's an unofficial support channel and hardly ever has anyone in it that knows what they're doing |
| 00:36.19 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 00:40.35 | purple_cow | grumble |
| 00:40.40 | purple_cow | firefox is making me seriously cranky today |
| 00:41.37 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 00:41.38 | purple_cow | http://penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-08-15&res=l |
| 00:41.53 | scanlime | :) |
| 00:42.40 | purple_cow | and even better |
| 00:42.41 | purple_cow | http://penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-08-19&res=l |
| 00:42.53 | scanlime | hehe |
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| 00:54.53 | scanlime | usb 2 is so fast |
| 00:54.59 | scanlime | I think this is really the first high speed device I've had :P |
| 00:59.48 | numist | nice |
| 00:59.53 | numist | and you made it all on your own :D |
| 01:00.21 | scanlime | just the mounting and such... |
| 01:00.37 | scanlime | need to try out the cypress FX2 |
| 01:02.18 | scanlime | numist: I don't have a good way to catch USB packet loss if it is happening, but I'm not noticing any performance problems using unshielded cat5 |
| 01:02.37 | numist | great |
| 01:02.44 | numist | whats the throughput like? |
| 01:03.01 | scanlime | haven't measured it |
| 01:03.10 | scanlime | I'll have to try a benchmark next time I have a mostly-empty disk in there |
| 01:03.17 | numist | :) |
| 01:03.30 | scanlime | it seems to be limited by the disks themselves, though, like I'd expect |
| 01:03.41 | numist | excellent |
| 01:04.12 | scanlime | this power supply is also working great |
| 01:04.31 | scanlime | the fan's running at 5v instead of 12.. very quiet, and still keeps the supply really cold |
| 01:04.31 | numist | the mini atx? nice |
| 01:04.36 | scanlime | it ran a tiny bit warm with no fan at all |
| 01:04.48 | numist | I had to get another power supply |
| 01:04.49 | numist | boo |
| 01:04.51 | scanlime | made a little molex adaptor to power my NSLU2 off it :) |
| 01:04.52 | scanlime | aw |
| 01:05.16 | numist | got another one though, 7A on 12V now instead of 2A |
| 01:05.26 | numist | I have no idea how emachines ever got by on 2A of 12V |
| 01:05.45 | scanlime | yeah |
| 01:06.01 | darth_mall | hmmm... I should go to the grocery store |
| 01:07.00 | scanlime | grr. hotplugging the NSLU2 power seems to be a very bad thing |
| 01:07.15 | numist | anyone know any good remedies for a sore throat? |
| 01:07.25 | scanlime | current spike on +5V as the capacitors in there charge, resets the disks, makes yoshi's USB controller angry |
| 01:07.30 | scanlime | suck on a cactus? |
| 01:07.40 | numist | yeah, I did |
| 01:07.43 | numist | wasnt very bright |
| 01:08.33 | darth_mall | hmm |
| 01:08.37 | darth_mall | I can't find my headphones |
| 01:08.56 | darth_mall | numist: depends on what's causing the sore throat |
| 01:09.07 | numist | I have no idea whats causing it :( |
| 01:09.20 | darth_mall | I often find that gargling warm salt water can help to relieve sore throats |
| 01:09.59 | darth_mall | also hot tea usually helps |
| 01:10.18 | lurgy_ | mmm |
| 01:10.19 | lurgy_ | salt water |
| 01:10.21 | darth_mall | yay! found my headphones |
| 01:10.23 | darth_mall | hi lurgy_ |
| 01:10.25 | lurgy_ | hi darth_mall |
| 01:10.29 | darth_mall | missed you last night |
| 01:10.35 | lurgy_ | :( |
| 01:10.43 | darth_mall | but I forgive you anyway |
| 01:10.55 | darth_mall | back in a bit |
| 01:10.59 | lurgy_ | my sister is leaving soon for oberlin, wanted to see her before she disappeared |
| 01:11.06 | lurgy_ | bye darth_mall |
| 01:12.33 | numist | ooh, I have hot tea |
| 01:13.17 | scanlime | how was the party yesterday? |
| 01:16.28 | lurgy_ | the afternoon bit was nice, got to see everybody |
| 01:16.45 | lurgy_ | i vanished by 3:30ish though, can't speak for after that |
| 01:17.01 | scanlime | neat |
| 01:17.19 | scanlime | YAY high quality disks... one power failure and I can't mount sdd1 |
| 01:23.28 | pagefault | mmm cookies |
| 01:24.09 | scanlime | bleh |
| 01:24.18 | scanlime | the disk with all the music on it is very cranky :( |
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| 01:43.20 | scanlime | grr |
| 01:43.59 | scanlime | so... the disk with all my music on it has some bad spots that cause the whole block device subsystem on linux to choke until the device is hard-reset |
| 01:44.09 | scanlime | I think I'm going to need to write my own tool to dump the data off of it |
| 01:44.25 | scanlime | even dd conv=noerror,sync doesn't work, because the read() request doesn't fail, it just never returns |
| 01:45.28 | numist | ouch |
| 01:45.30 | numist | :( |
| 02:37.33 | numist | I love this picture: http://numist.net/gallery/phpGal/bluewave |
| 02:37.40 | numist | it makes me all shivery inside |
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| 02:41.09 | scanlime | wow |
| 02:42.12 | gonkulator | numist: that is indeed neat |
| 02:42.19 | numist | I love pictures like that |
| 02:44.35 | purple_cow | lurgy: how late are you guys going to be awake? |
| 02:46.29 | lurgy | purple_cow: i dunno.. i'm goin over to a 20's-themed cocktail party/housewarming party thing being thrown by troy koelling (to which you could certainly come) pretty shortly |
| 02:46.32 | lurgy | then i dunno when i'm getting back |
| 02:46.41 | darth_mall | oh noes |
| 02:46.44 | darth_mall | cocktails! |
| 02:46.46 | lurgy | but i have a 9:00 tomorrow so probably not |
| 02:46.49 | lurgy | er |
| 02:46.53 | lurgy | probably not too late |
| 02:46.59 | lurgy | darth_mall could come too if he so desired :) |
| 02:47.10 | darth_mall | well, I also have a 9am class and I've got dinner on the stove |
| 02:47.17 | lurgy | okeydoke |
| 02:47.25 | darth_mall | I'd like to come, but I don't think it's a good idea |
| 02:47.45 | darth_mall | gotta get ready for class tomorrow too |
| 02:47.49 | KeyserSoze | woah, is this a real pic? http://numist.net/gallery/phpGal/Slide_show |
| 02:48.11 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 02:48.15 | scanlime | class starts tomorrow? |
| 02:48.16 | darth_mall | probability |
| 02:48.26 | purple_cow | scanlime: yeah :( |
| 02:48.27 | darth_mall | scanlime: naw, we just like to talk about it as though it would ;) |
| 02:48.32 | scanlime | darth_mall: yay! |
| 02:48.58 | scanlime | lurgy: I'll come |
| 02:49.07 | lurgy | scanlime: ^_^ |
| 02:49.09 | lurgy | scanlime: better hurry |
| 02:49.19 | scanlime | ok |
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| 02:50.55 | numist | .. |
| 02:51.35 | laodamas | scanlime: at .5c you can be in boulder in 27ms |
| 02:51.51 | scanlime | laodamas: make it so! |
| 02:52.04 | lurgy | sweet |
| 02:52.10 | lurgy | that's a mere half impulse power |
| 02:54.10 | lurgy | yay |
| 02:54.14 | lurgy | it has a lot of words so it must be powerful |
| 02:58.01 | laodamas | "oh dear! She's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot" |
| 02:58.09 | laodamas | yay futurama |
| 02:59.25 | lurgy | hehe |
| 03:00.56 | numist | laodamas: nice :D |
| 03:05.43 | lurgy | purple_cow: did you have any interest? |
| 03:06.52 | ChipX86 | ok, I tried walking away from this for a couple of hours, but I'm still confused... |
| 03:06.59 | ChipX86 | I get a System.InvalidCastException for this line: |
| 03:07.03 | ChipX86 | Part part = Manager.CreatePart(key); |
| 03:07.11 | ChipX86 | Manager is a PartManager, and that function definition is: |
| 03:07.14 | ChipX86 | public Part CreatePart(string name) |
| 03:07.27 | ChipX86 | the exception isn't being shown in CreatePart |
| 03:07.40 | purple_cow | lurgy: no, i just wanted to know if i could come crash your couch for a bit if my internet is still kerbroke ;) |
| 03:07.50 | lurgy | ah |
| 03:08.03 | laodamas | yay! "lows trans aleph0 plex" |
| 03:08.10 | KeyserSoze | i assume key is a string... |
| 03:08.16 | lurgy | well, it's still nicer outside than inside here, but i can leave the door unlocked on my way out if you'll be over shortly |
| 03:08.36 | laodamas | ^^must be TV's first reference to Transfinite numbers |
| 03:08.58 | purple_cow | lurgy: no, i'm still at my parents' house |
| 03:09.03 | laodamas | s/lows/loew's/ |
| 03:09.06 | lurgy | oh ok |
| 03:09.09 | lurgy | well.. |
| 03:09.25 | lurgy | who knows when i'll be back, mebbe it will leave time for interweb stealage |
| 03:09.38 | KeyserSoze | laodamas: what tv show? |
| 03:10.37 | ChipX86 | cute. the compiler is jsut confused |
| 03:11.05 | laodamas | KeyserSoze: Futurama :) |
| 03:11.17 | ChipX86 | that, and I'm an idiot |
| 03:11.26 | scanlime | w00t |
| 03:11.48 | scanlime | lurgy: have fun! |
| 03:11.51 | SirVeight | o_O |
| 03:12.19 | purple_cow | scanlime: crazy bastard |
| 03:14.13 | scanlime | purple_cow: I want this music back :P |
| 03:14.23 | scanlime | and seagate |
| 03:14.28 | ChipX86 | what happened? |
| 03:14.39 | scanlime | the navi-disk with all the music on it is getting very cranky |
| 03:14.45 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 03:15.00 | scanlime | I hit spots trying to read it that just jam up the linux block device subsystem somehow |
| 03:15.09 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 03:15.11 | scanlime | so I'm writing a little tool called 'grumpydisk' to dump it directly over libusb |
| 03:15.23 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 03:15.27 | scanlime | get to learn about SCSI and the usb storage bulk-only transport ;) |
| 03:16.46 | ChipX86 | cool. Good to know for work too |
| 03:16.55 | scanlime | yes |
| 03:17.08 | purple_cow | scanlime: is this the first time you've done bulk usb? |
| 03:17.24 | scanlime | yeah |
| 03:17.25 | scanlime | er |
| 03:17.26 | scanlime | no |
| 03:17.29 | scanlime | first time I've done storage |
| 03:17.45 | scanlime | lots of my stuff uses bulk... |
| 03:21.29 | gonkulator | scanlime: good name :) |
| 03:24.33 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r194 10taco/src/Part.cs: I never committed this file earlier. Shows how much people are actually paying attention to this project! |
| 03:25.05 | gonkulator | project? |
| 03:25.08 | ChipX86 | taco |
| 03:25.26 | purple_cow | ChipX86: well, i've been busy ;-) |
| 03:25.32 | ChipX86 | I'm just joking :) |
| 03:26.20 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r195 10taco/src/ (. connectors/ slots/ thingies/ widgets/): Ignore files. Ignore them gooood. |
| 03:26.36 | gonkulator | :) |
| 03:27.39 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r196 10taco/ (8 files in 4 dirs): We now have two tabs in the main window that display the list of connectors and the list of thingies. Yes, it's ugly, but hey look! Reflection! Yeah it's just that neat, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 03:28.09 | gonkulator | ChipX86: you're having too much fun with those commit messages :) |
| 03:28.19 | gonkulator | almost makes me want to start doing open source again :) |
| 03:28.21 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i love reflection :) |
| 03:28.24 | ChipX86 | that's the good thing about stupid projects that nobody seriously cares about |
| 03:28.28 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yep |
| 03:31.29 | numist | oh noes, Im pulling too much traffic from my fileserver that my music is skipping |
| 03:32.45 | numist | scanlime: did you see this one? 16:12:09 -!- CIA-12 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Killed by Md (CIA-12 needs to be restarted. please contact staff for details)] |
| 03:33.06 | purple_cow | wha? |
| 03:33.08 | scanlime | where's that? |
| 03:33.23 | numist | its in my log in #first812 |
| 03:33.24 | ChipX86 | 16:20 |
| 03:33.31 | ChipX86 | earlier when it was k-lined I guess |
| 03:33.31 | numist | its a really inactive channel, I have no idea what day it was |
| 03:33.35 | numist | yeah |
| 03:33.37 | purple_cow | k-lined? |
| 03:33.41 | numist | no wait |
| 03:33.46 | scanlime | it looks fine now... |
| 03:33.46 | numist | that happened after it got klined |
| 03:33.50 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 03:33.58 | numist | flood: |
| 03:33.59 | numist | 11:48:57 -!- CIA-12 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [K-lined] |
| 03:33.59 | numist | 12:14:49 -!- CIA-12 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #first812 |
| 03:33.59 | numist | 16:12:09 -!- CIA-12 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Killed by Md (CIA-12 needs to be restarted. please contact staff for details)] |
| 03:34.03 | numist | 16:12:14 -!- CIA-13 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #first812 |
| 03:34.14 | numist | looks like it was just CIA-12 though |
| 03:34.20 | scanlime | well, I don't know where that 'needs to be restarted' message came from, but it wasn't me |
| 03:34.28 | numist | no, it was Md killing it |
| 03:34.42 | gonkulator | poor CIA-12 :( |
| 03:34.44 | purple_cow | yay opers! |
| 03:34.48 | CIA-5 | *purr* |
| 03:34.48 | numist | yeah, always getting picked on |
| 03:34.52 | numist | oh nice |
| 03:35.17 | gonkulator | sorry |
| 03:35.21 | numist | :D |
| 03:35.24 | gonkulator | what other easter eggs are there in there? |
| 03:35.33 | CIA-5 | ow |
| 03:35.39 | gonkulator | heh |
| 03:35.50 | numist | I seem to remember knowing another, but I may be on crack |
| 03:36.09 | gonkulator | that wasn't it |
| 03:36.10 | numist | DAMN |
| 03:36.13 | ChipX86 | not knowing if you're on crack is the first sign of being on crack |
| 03:36.29 | numist | sounds like something easy to get into |
| 03:36.41 | gonkulator | kinda like a friend of mine |
| 03:36.44 | gonkulator | he started a religion |
| 03:36.54 | gonkulator | he said "by definition, everyone is in my religion" |
| 03:36.58 | ChipX86 | I want to start a religion |
| 03:37.02 | gonkulator | and then he said, that there was only one rule |
| 03:37.19 | gonkulator | and only one punishment for breaking that rue |
| 03:37.21 | gonkulator | rule even |
| 03:38.01 | gonkulator | "The punishment for apostasy is re-admittance" |
| 03:38.22 | numist | rofl |
| 03:38.29 | numist | nice! |
| 03:38.38 | gonkulator | scanlime: do you remember what Tyler called his religion? |
| 03:38.55 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r197 10taco/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:38.55 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Split off the notebook stuff into a new widget. |
| 03:38.55 | CIA-5 | osiris-misc: - Every PartManager now has a name. |
| 03:39.06 | numist | gonkulator: by that definition, a lot of people cant follow some religions because they explicitly say you cannot have other religions |
| 03:39.26 | gonkulator | yeah, that does create some problems... |
| 03:39.45 | ChipX86 | nice way to destroy most all religions in one go |
| 03:40.01 | numist | lol |
| 03:40.02 | ChipX86 | World domination through confusion! |
| 03:40.04 | numist | yeah, no kidding |
| 03:40.15 | numist | I like this Tyler guy.. he just prevented wars, even |
| 03:40.43 | gonkulator | nah, people are gonna find something to fight about |
| 03:40.58 | gonkulator | and not many people know of Tyler, or his religion |
| 03:42.58 | numist | they dont need to |
| 03:43.02 | numist | his religion makes up for that :) |
| 03:43.07 | numist | word will spread |
| 03:55.51 | scanlime | I think grumpydisk is working |
| 03:56.04 | numist | I think my roommate is annoying |
| 03:56.42 | numist | I dont think he's asked a question today that either didnt have an obvious answer or that he couldnt have found himself with 5 seconds of effort |
| 03:56.45 | numist | bleh |
| 03:57.31 | darth_mall | oooh... 5 seconds |
| 03:58.04 | numist | yeah.. seriously |
| 03:58.10 | numist | instead 5 minutes of my time is wasted, each time |
| 03:58.34 | darth_mall | mm... each time |
| 03:58.44 | numist | yeah.. I havent gotten anything done this weekend |
| 03:58.49 | numist | because of the landlord stuff |
| 03:58.54 | numist | and I really wanted to get some code in |
| 04:00.14 | numist | well, I now know why its so appealing to own your own home... |
| 04:00.22 | gonkulator | yep |
| 04:00.24 | numist | so you dont have to DEAL with these PEOPLE |
| 04:00.27 | numist | UGH |
| 04:00.36 | numist | well, gonkulator may have the best of both worlds |
| 04:00.40 | gonkulator | thats a great thing about being a priest :) |
| 04:01.00 | numist | yeah, but Im going to visit my gf next weekend :D |
| 04:01.05 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 04:01.09 | numist | I could never be a priest |
| 04:01.11 | darth_mall | gonkulator: no. God is your landlord! |
| 04:01.17 | numist | as I see it now, if I were to walk into a church, the cross would probably catch fire |
| 04:01.21 | ChipX86 | the American Government is your landlord |
| 04:01.28 | numist | god is way more forgiving than my landlord |
| 04:01.31 | darth_mall | ChipX86: yeah, but God pwnz them |
| 04:01.40 | numist | he only sends people to hell if theyre delinquent |
| 04:01.44 | gonkulator | numist: the cross wouldn't catch fire... that only happens to the KKK people |
| 04:01.44 | numist | at least I dont have to sit here and worry |
| 04:01.58 | gonkulator | God doesn't send anyone to Hell |
| 04:02.00 | numist | gonkulator: well thats a relief... maybe the organ would explode |
| 04:02.04 | gonkulator | people go there all by themselves |
| 04:02.08 | numist | no? well Im relieved to hear that |
| 04:02.10 | numist | oh damn |
| 04:02.21 | numist | one ticket please.. one way, I dont plan on returning |
| 04:02.26 | numist | darth_mall: nice |
| 04:02.42 | gonkulator | numist: God's not gonna give up on you that easily! |
| 04:02.58 | numist | I can only hope |
| 04:03.11 | scanlime | gonkulator: you're welcome in our channel, your religion ain't ;) |
| 04:03.24 | darth_mall | scanlime: actually, I started that |
| 04:03.34 | scanlime | and I can quote firefly if I want to! |
| 04:03.34 | ChipX86 | oh no! |
| 04:03.39 | ChipX86 | I don't have a valid VMware Workstation serial number |
| 04:03.40 | gonkulator | scanlime: I am who I am, if that bothers you, ban me :) |
| 04:03.43 | numist | scanlime: ever used the cold heat soldering tool? |
| 04:03.51 | scanlime | numist: yeah, I tried a friend's once |
| 04:03.59 | numist | a friend of mine wants to know if it works decently |
| 04:04.05 | darth_mall | scanlime: but you didn't inhale? |
| 04:04.27 | scanlime | works lots better than I expected- pretty decently for normal PCB assembly and stuff. It won't do surface mount, or anything that requires a lot of heat |
| 04:04.39 | darth_mall | man Sylvester Stallone is a bad actor |
| 04:04.44 | numist | ah well, whatddya expect |
| 04:05.53 | darth_mall | I suppose I ought to give some thought to classes tomorrow |
| 04:06.28 | numist | nah |
| 04:06.35 | ChipX86 | pfft, glasses |
| 04:06.36 | ChipX86 | ewr |
| 04:06.37 | ChipX86 | classes |
| 04:06.42 | numist | hehe |
| 04:06.49 | ChipX86 | screw you too ssh3 |
| 04:06.54 | numist | :o |
| 04:07.01 | ChipX86 | (not ssh v3) |
| 04:07.13 | ChipX86 | (a stupid vmware server that's making me wait for a token change) |
| 04:07.49 | numist | no making chippy wait, it makes him cranky |
| 04:07.53 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 04:08.15 | ChipX86 | now to get my copy all registrated |
| 04:08.29 | file[laptop] | yay registered |
| 04:08.32 | numist | hehe yay |
| 04:09.37 | numist | yikes |
| 04:09.41 | numist | I hope I dont have to move :( |
| 04:09.52 | numist | that would really suck badly |
| 04:09.56 | gonkulator | heh, moving is fun when you don't really have much of anything |
| 04:10.08 | numist | see.. I have a ton of crap here.. I dont even know how I got it all |
| 04:10.19 | gonkulator | garage sales |
| 04:10.24 | gonkulator | thats how I got most of my crap |
| 04:10.28 | gonkulator | its also how I got rid of most of it :) |
| 04:10.35 | numist | aww, my sisters going to college in 2 weeks |
| 04:10.47 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 04:11.00 | gonkulator | my brother only has one more year of High School |
| 04:11.03 | numist | if she graduates before me, I dont know what Ill do :/ |
| 04:11.11 | darth_mall | TV sucks |
| 04:11.14 | gonkulator | indeed |
| 04:12.04 | gonkulator | numist: how much longer do you have? |
| 04:12.30 | numist | gonkulator: well, Im not *in* college anymore... I left with "2" years left... but Ill probably have to change majors |
| 04:12.41 | gonkulator | ah |
| 04:12.48 | gonkulator | that slows things down considerably |
| 04:12.58 | numist | kinda |
| 04:13.04 | numist | my life is always hectic, for some reason |
| 04:13.18 | numist | there is always some crisis that needs attention.. Ive had a single week of nothing happening in the last 4 months |
| 04:13.54 | gonkulator | thats nuts |
| 04:14.08 | numist | its stupid |
| 04:14.26 | numist | worst part was.. during that week, I was wishing there was something to put energy into... I wonder why Im so screwed up |
| 04:14.38 | purple_cow | w00000t |
| 04:14.40 | purple_cow | i'm webbed up |
| 04:14.42 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 04:17.02 | scanlime | yay! |
| 04:18.17 | ChipX86 | hmm only 4 beta2fix bugs left |
| 04:19.47 | *** join/#tacobeam hardwire (n=nNNhardw@209-193-52-80-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net) |
| 04:19.57 | darth_mall | bah |
| 04:20.00 | darth_mall | RTD's website suck |
| 04:20.01 | darth_mall | s |
| 04:21.35 | scanlime | sector 23616 [0.0101%] |
| 04:21.35 | scanlime | sector 23680 [0.0101%] |
| 04:21.35 | scanlime | usb_bulk_read: Connection timed out |
| 04:21.35 | scanlime | reset and retry... |
| 04:21.39 | scanlime | I think it's working |
| 04:21.43 | scanlime | but damn this is slow |
| 04:21.49 | scanlime | and this disk is very grumpy |
| 04:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8809 10grumpydisk/ (. Makefile main.c usb-storage.c usb-storage.h): |
| 04:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Add 'grumpydisk', an extremely minimal implementation of the USB bulk-only |
| 04:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: storage specification that uses libusb to pull data off of failing hard |
| 04:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: disks hooked up to a USB adaptor. It will retry, resetting the device if |
| 04:23.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: necessary, when it hits bad spots on the disk. This should be able to |
| 04:23.43 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: recover data from disks that would just crash the kernel's usb-storage |
| 04:23.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: driver. |
| 04:24.04 | scanlime | woo, 0.2% done |
| 04:24.05 | scanlime | :P |
| 04:24.08 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 04:24.30 | scanlime | all disk copy programs should print the sector numbers as it copies them |
| 04:25.10 | numist | thats a lot of output... |
| 04:25.28 | scanlime | ok, this only prints every 64 sectors |
| 04:25.33 | scanlime | I mean, that's 32k |
| 04:25.40 | scanlime | huuuuge blocks! |
| 04:25.43 | scanlime | could only fit two of them in a C64 |
| 04:26.24 | scanlime | I suppose that now that I know this is kinda working at least, I should try to make it fast enough to be bearable... |
| 04:27.14 | nullpuppy | w00! almost ready to transfer mah brew |
| 04:27.34 | gonkulator | yay beer |
| 04:27.40 | scanlime | hmm, beer... |
| 04:28.02 | nullpuppy | took a hydrometer reading too, and smelled it while I was at it.. |
| 04:28.13 | nullpuppy | its actually smelling pretty dang good |
| 04:28.20 | nullpuppy | i'm not brave enough to try it yet thouhg :) |
| 04:28.23 | scanlime | I'll need this beer if grumpydisk fails and I have to reload all this music off of CD :P |
| 04:28.31 | scanlime | nice |
| 04:28.57 | purple_cow | woo |
| 04:28.58 | nullpuppy | still smells like it needs time, but I think it'll turn out reasonably well after i let it sit in the carboy |
| 04:28.59 | numist | god damnit, deer park just ate it hard while uploading to gallery.. I have no idea where it left off |
| 04:29.14 | nullpuppy | and I think if it doesn't turn out, I know what I did wrong :) |
| 04:29.26 | nullpuppy | numist: ouch :( |
| 04:29.28 | scanlime | purple_cow: this grumpydisk tool would have been handy a couple navi crashes ago :( |
| 04:31.35 | scanlime | hmmmm |
| 04:31.47 | scanlime | I should probably have this do a binary search for the bad spots |
| 04:31.53 | scanlime | start off using the biggest transfer size I can handle |
| 04:32.03 | scanlime | then when that fails, split it into two smaller transfers recursively |
| 04:32.08 | nullpuppy | sodium bisulfite gives of one hell of a smell |
| 04:32.12 | scanlime | hehe |
| 04:32.29 | ChipX86 | one bug fixed! |
| 04:32.32 | nullpuppy | its like.. chlorine, but like.. worse |
| 04:32.41 | scanlime | why oh why did they design it like this.. |
| 04:32.47 | scanlime | usb-storage is all little endian |
| 04:32.50 | scanlime | SCSI is all big endian |
| 04:32.53 | nullpuppy | dart board design! |
| 04:32.55 | scanlime | usb-storage is a wrapper for SCSI |
| 04:33.00 | scanlime | ... |
| 04:33.18 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:34.11 | purple_cow | scanlime: eh, only sortof |
| 04:34.26 | scanlime | hm? |
| 04:34.26 | purple_cow | most of the times we had data loss were because linux's software raid is kerstupid |
| 04:34.36 | purple_cow | time to assemble my new desk chair! |
| 04:34.39 | scanlime | ah |
| 04:34.41 | purple_cow | yay for having a real chair |
| 04:34.42 | scanlime | yay, new chair |
| 04:34.45 | scanlime | :) |
| 04:36.03 | purple_cow | oh wow |
| 04:36.11 | purple_cow | the screws for this chair have blue locktite on them already |
| 04:36.34 | scanlime | my chair had that too |
| 04:36.35 | numist | :) |
| 04:36.40 | scanlime | doesn't help as much as you'd hope |
| 04:37.04 | numist | depends how generous they were.. I cant take my chair apart anymore without stripping a bit in the process |
| 04:37.15 | numist | then again, my coworker assembled it with a drill... |
| 04:38.29 | purple_cow | scanlime: hehe |
| 04:40.29 | purple_cow | err |
| 04:40.34 | purple_cow | why am i doing all this stuff without music? |
| 04:41.04 | scanlime | huh |
| 04:41.08 | scanlime | same problem here |
| 04:41.17 | scanlime | I plugged in my rio hours ago but forgot to play any music |
| 04:42.03 | numist | haha |
| 04:44.11 | scanlime | hmm |
| 04:44.16 | scanlime | read_or_die_trying() seems like a good name for this |
| 04:44.50 | numist | :D |
| 04:49.22 | gonkulator | g'night everyone |
| 04:57.34 | numist | nighty night |
| 04:59.23 | nullpuppy | its transfering :) |
| 04:59.38 | numist | it? |
| 05:00.00 | nullpuppy | my baby :) |
| 05:00.22 | numist | ah, beer! |
| 05:00.38 | nullpuppy | yup. writing up the blog for it right now, gonna take a while to transfer |
| 05:00.49 | nullpuppy | since it has to be done slow to minimize aeration |
| 05:00.54 | nullpuppy | and foaming |
| 05:00.57 | scanlime | sector_size: 241254719 n_sectors: 512 |
| 05:00.57 | scanlime | malloc: Cannot allocate memory |
| 05:00.57 | scanlime | oops |
| 05:01.13 | numist | d'oh |
| 05:05.18 | nullpuppy | damn this is slow |
| 05:05.25 | nullpuppy | only half a gallon moved so far :) |
| 05:06.08 | scanlime | wow.. |
| 05:06.13 | scanlime | I managed to completely crash the ide-usb adaptor |
| 05:06.25 | nullpuppy | doh :) |
| 05:11.25 | darth_mall | man this movie is terrible |
| 05:11.49 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8810 10grumpydisk/ (main.c usb-storage.c usb-storage.h): Perform larger transfers by default, splitting them when an error occurs. This also cleans up the SCSI code somewhat. |
| 05:12.57 | purple_cow | what movie? |
| 05:13.03 | darth_mall | The Specialist |
| 05:14.19 | scanlime | I hate hard disks |
| 05:14.23 | darth_mall | how can anyone take a sport seriously that has an even called "the sharpie 500"? |
| 05:14.28 | darth_mall | s/even/event/ |
| 05:15.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8811 10grumpydisk/main.c: Play with the failure threshold to avoid killing these cheap USB-IDE adaptors by resetting them too frequently |
| 05:16.31 | scanlime | hmm |
| 05:16.35 | scanlime | the partition table copied over fine |
| 05:16.52 | scanlime | hopefully a lot more than that has also, but it's hard to tell at this point... |
| 05:20.36 | purple_cow | yay! new chair! |
| 05:21.53 | scanlime | I seem to get bad spots 64 sectors wide |
| 05:21.58 | darth_mall | no more chairs for purple_cow |
| 05:22.05 | purple_cow | :( |
| 05:22.15 | numist | scanlime: how many sectors per cylinder? |
| 05:22.17 | darth_mall | ok, fine |
| 05:22.23 | darth_mall | more chairs for purple_cow |
| 05:22.38 | scanlime | numist: not sure |
| 05:22.40 | scanlime | damnit |
| 05:22.49 | scanlime | killed the device again |
| 05:26.58 | ChipX86 | mwahaha |
| 05:27.01 | ChipX86 | rml's post is great |
| 05:27.10 | ChipX86 | he can tilt his laptop to move the mouse now |
| 05:27.47 | purple_cow | ibm? :) |
| 05:27.51 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:28.05 | ChipX86 | it's intentional, rather than broken |
| 05:28.23 | ChipX86 | the "harddrives brace for impact!" is done by an accelerometer and a driver |
| 05:28.26 | purple_cow | yeah, i know |
| 05:28.28 | ChipX86 | ah ok |
| 05:28.29 | numist | so... if you tilt the laptop, the mouse pointer 'falls' with gravity? |
| 05:28.36 | numist | sweet |
| 05:28.46 | darth_mall | night kids |
| 05:28.50 | ChipX86 | night dad |
| 05:28.55 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 05:30.35 | scanlime | anyone without an IBM thinkpad can go to Analog Devices and order some free samples that will give you the same functionality ;) |
| 05:30.53 | numist | ooh |
| 05:30.55 | numist | free? |
| 05:30.58 | scanlime | yea |
| 05:31.02 | scanlime | the ADXL311, IIRC |
| 05:31.09 | scanlime | used a bunch of them at space grant |
| 05:31.09 | numist | I have a thinkpad, but its not new enough, iirc |
| 05:31.13 | numist | sweet |
| 05:33.38 | scanlime | oh, looks like the ADXL311 is being phased out |
| 05:33.58 | numist | yep |
| 05:34.14 | numist | the reccomended replacement has no samples either, from the looks of it |
| 05:34.18 | scanlime | yeah |
| 05:34.20 | scanlime | hrmph |
| 05:34.25 | scanlime | well, they're still fairly cheap |
| 05:34.44 | scanlime | the eval boards are nice to have, but if you're decent at soldering very tiny things you can deal with the bare chips |
| 05:34.56 | numist | ah yes, Id want an eval board :x |
| 05:35.44 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/spacegrant/dino_tipmass?full=1 |
| 05:35.50 | scanlime | that's my 6-axis data logger for work :) |
| 05:36.17 | numist | nice |
| 05:36.23 | scanlime | The smalller kinda-gold-colored chips (labeled U1A and U10A) are 2-axis accelerometers |
| 05:36.29 | scanlime | IIRC they were the ADXL311 |
| 05:36.37 | scanlime | then the larger ones on DIP carriers are rate gyros |
| 05:36.55 | numist | aahh |
| 05:36.59 | scanlime | the big surface mount chip next to hobbes is a 1 mbyte SRAM |
| 05:37.09 | numist | theres only two small ones, apparently |
| 05:37.14 | scanlime | right |
| 05:37.16 | numist | nice, you printed hobbes |
| 05:37.17 | scanlime | each is 2-axis |
| 05:37.22 | numist | aye |
| 05:37.35 | numist | wish I was any decent at this stuff |
| 05:37.48 | numist | what would be a good place to start? |
| 05:37.54 | scanlime | it just takes time and a desire to tinker with stuff |
| 05:38.18 | numist | I love tinkering, but I need to start with something that does a lot of handholding |
| 05:38.42 | numist | until Im more comfortable |
| 05:38.44 | *** join/#tacobeam SirVeight (n=Veight@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:38.48 | numist | ooh, Carrie on the phone, Im outta here |
| 05:39.02 | scanlime | :) |
| 05:42.23 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8812 10grumpydisk/main.c: Slow down device resets, and bump the minimum failure size up to 64 sectors. This seems to keep the USB adaptors from dying so far. |
| 05:45.22 | scanlime | numist: www.forrestmims.org |
| 05:45.31 | scanlime | numist: IIRC, I got started in electronics using a very old edition of that |
| 05:45.36 | scanlime | er |
| 05:45.39 | scanlime | s/.org/.com/ |
| 06:06.00 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 06:06.06 | ChipX86 | Jamie's birthday is coming up |
| 06:06.20 | ChipX86 | I want to do something she'd enjoy. Maybe wine tasting or a full day spa thing |
| 06:08.08 | ChipX86 | oh wow, the spa thing can be expensive |
| 06:17.20 | scanlime | sector 14433792 [6.1567%] |
| 06:17.23 | scanlime | getting there... |
| 06:17.30 | ChipX86 | yep. Only another month or so |
| 06:17.33 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:17.47 | scanlime | should get all my music back with only a few thousand sectors obliterated |
| 06:19.59 | ChipX86 | how did this die? |
| 06:20.14 | scanlime | it's probably been almost dead for a while |
| 06:20.31 | scanlime | it was working fine earlier today, but last week I had noticed it hanging when trying to do some directory listings |
| 06:20.50 | scanlime | but it seemed to go completely nuts after I had the power fail when I hotplugged my NSLU2 |
| 06:21.25 | scanlime | it looks like the bad spots are fairly isolated |
| 06:21.31 | scanlime | but very close to the beginning of the disk |
| 06:21.33 | ChipX86 | good |
| 06:21.36 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 06:21.53 | scanlime | eh- worst case I have to pull music off of DVD and off my rio |
| 06:22.09 | scanlime | I'm fairly happy with how well grumpydisk is working so far |
| 06:22.19 | scanlime | though I won't really know until I can mount the duplicated disk |
| 06:22.27 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:22.59 | ChipX86 | cool. Installed Breezy into a VM and it can't find the device node anymore for the drive |
| 06:23.02 | scanlime | purple_cow: got pictures of your new place yet? |
| 06:23.19 | scanlime | ChipX86: vmware or breezy? |
| 06:23.25 | ChipX86 | breezy |
| 06:23.35 | ChipX86 | none of the sda* or hda* entries are there |
| 06:23.43 | scanlime | hrm |
| 06:23.52 | scanlime | I know I've had that happen before with ubuntu |
| 06:23.54 | scanlime | inside a VM |
| 06:24.04 | purple_cow | scanlime: a few, nothing uploaded yet. once i finish this and take out a bunch of trash i'll take more and upload them |
| 06:24.13 | scanlime | somehow the correct scsi driver is there during the install, but it forgets to set it up after that |
| 06:24.14 | ChipX86 | breezy is the most unstable distro ever :) |
| 06:24.18 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:24.30 | scanlime | purple_cow: neat |
| 06:27.07 | *** join/#tacobeam file[lap1op] (n=jcolp@156.34.35.171) |
| 06:27.49 | ChipX86 | I'm in a busybox shell with a filesystem, and I don't know where it came from |
| 06:28.14 | scanlime | initrd? |
| 06:28.29 | ChipX86 | oh, ok. I've never seen this before |
| 06:28.38 | scanlime | hm. dealnews is down. do they have TVs? |
| 06:28.42 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:29.04 | ChipX86 | about $1500 is the minimum you'll pay if you want any kind of plasma |
| 06:29.08 | ChipX86 | (on dealnews) |
| 06:29.18 | scanlime | hrmph |
| 06:30.05 | ChipX86 | I'd say give it a couple months. $1500 won't be so bad |
| 06:30.05 | purple_cow | the big LCDs are getting much nicer ;) |
| 06:30.25 | purple_cow | plus you know that an LCD won't kersplode in 4 or 5 years, which is still pretty unknown with plasmas |
| 06:30.57 | scanlime | purple_cow: all hardware I buy seems to kersplode in 3 years or so :P |
| 06:31.22 | ChipX86 | in 4 or 5 years there will be something better anyway, and more money will be in the bank, assuming all hell doesn't break loose |
| 06:31.36 | scanlime | Xen will kill us all! |
| 06:31.56 | ChipX86 | oh no! |
| 06:32.01 | ChipX86 | because VT will let them run Windows! |
| 06:32.03 | ChipX86 | except not at all |
| 06:32.06 | scanlime | hmm |
| 06:32.18 | scanlime | froogle finds a lot of good stuff under $1000 |
| 06:32.27 | scanlime | mostly large LCDs and DLP |
| 06:32.43 | ChipX86 | well if you find something you end up liking, let me know, because I'm in the market for a new TV too |
| 06:33.43 | scanlime | k |
| 06:34.57 | ChipX86 | hmm, this is annoying. Do you happen to remember how you got your VM working? |
| 06:35.18 | scanlime | nope. but that was hoary, it might not be the same problem |
| 06:37.18 | scanlime | http://www.clubmac.com/clubmac/shop/detail.asp?dpno=400357&store=clubmac&source=cwbfroogle&adcampaign=email,cwbfroogle |
| 06:37.22 | scanlime | that TV has an RS-232 port :P |
| 06:37.32 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 06:37.40 | scanlime | and it's 1280 x 10204 |
| 06:37.49 | ChipX86 | that's tall |
| 06:38.00 | ChipX86 | very odd resolution for a display device |
| 06:43.17 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 06:43.28 | ChipX86 | the difference is a string and s/scsi/ide/ |
| 06:43.44 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:43.48 | ChipX86 | the s/scsi/ide/ being in the vmx file, and then in the vmdk, you just set adapterType to ide |
| 06:43.51 | ChipX86 | it's booting :) |
| 06:44.10 | scanlime | time for ubuntu to become an officially supported guest? :) |
| 06:44.14 | ChipX86 | and host |
| 06:44.18 | ChipX86 | ;) |
| 06:44.20 | scanlime | yep |
| 06:50.10 | ChipX86 | I so badly want to fix this bug in vmware.. even though it's a gtk bug |
| 06:50.49 | ChipX86 | if you have a button that is set as the default for the dialog, and then you disable it, and then enable it again, it'll appear pressed down |
| 06:50.52 | ChipX86 | it's annoying |
| 06:52.31 | scanlime | huh |
| 06:52.32 | scanlime | weird |
| 06:52.44 | scanlime | woo, grumpydisk is almost at 11% |
| 06:52.59 | scanlime | and my disks are still blinking somewhat non-grumpily |
| 07:03.50 | purple_cow | err, first shower, then picture-taking |
| 07:07.31 | scanlime | http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/backdoor.html |
| 07:07.33 | scanlime | hah |
| 07:07.34 | nullpuppy | ok, just about to upload pics and post next blog in homebrew series :) |
| 07:07.52 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 07:08.16 | scanlime | what I'm most curious about is how the guy knows it's called the 'backdoor port' without any official docs |
| 07:08.21 | ChipX86 | the things people uncover |
| 07:08.25 | ChipX86 | hmmmmm yeah. |
| 07:09.16 | scanlime | though really i'm not sure why we don't publish docs on the backdoor port and the SVGA driver and all that- would let people write their own guest tools for oddball operating systems |
| 07:09.27 | ChipX86 | we should |
| 07:09.45 | scanlime | though |
| 07:09.57 | scanlime | this guy's already figured out enough of the backdoor port to do useful things really |
| 07:09.59 | ChipX86 | erm, huh.. maybe I was wronga bout that gtk bug |
| 07:10.03 | scanlime | and the svga driver can be understood from reading X source |
| 07:10.11 | ChipX86 | they should just use the vesa driver |
| 07:10.15 | ChipX86 | apparently, our support is good for that |
| 07:10.16 | scanlime | nah, that's slow |
| 07:10.24 | ChipX86 | that's what OSX is using |
| 07:10.33 | scanlime | right, and it's unaccelerated |
| 07:10.40 | scanlime | so not 'slow', but slower than it could be |
| 07:11.10 | ChipX86 | well now I'm curious here, because my testcase doesn't work for this bug |
| 07:11.13 | scanlime | IIRC the source for the X11 driver in vmware tools is open |
| 07:11.23 | scanlime | and that gives you plenty of info on the acceleration FIFO |
| 07:11.34 | scanlime | not everything, but enough to write a decent driver |
| 07:13.30 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 07:13.36 | ChipX86 | I bet this is fixed in gtk already |
| 07:14.01 | scanlime | oh. this same guy wrote a vmware SVGA driver for solaris |
| 07:14.23 | scanlime | just a ported version of our X11 code |
| 07:14.50 | scanlime | hah |
| 07:14.52 | scanlime | http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vdk.html#top |
| 07:15.09 | scanlime | no support for ws5 disks :) |
| 07:15.17 | ChipX86 | that's okay |
| 07:15.21 | ChipX86 | we're going to make life easier for him |
| 07:15.23 | scanlime | nod |
| 07:15.48 | ChipX86 | now I'm going to be obsessed with this bug |
| 07:16.45 | nullpuppy | yay, blog posted, pictures uploading :) |
| 07:22.56 | scanlime | :) |
| 07:23.28 | scanlime | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 07:23.36 | scanlime | hah. they're going to need to update a few things on that... |
| 07:24.53 | ChipX86 | hah yeah |
| 07:27.25 | scanlime | huh. gnome-bittorrent |
| 07:27.29 | scanlime | haven't seen that before |
| 07:27.32 | scanlime | kinda cute |
| 07:27.35 | ChipX86 | yeah, I like it |
| 07:27.41 | ChipX86 | though I wish multiple torrents would group into tabs |
| 07:27.54 | scanlime | for nested tabs? :P |
| 07:28.00 | ChipX86 | or, maybe not tabs |
| 07:28.08 | ChipX86 | forgot they already had tabs :P |
| 07:28.18 | ChipX86 | but you know, something to prevent a hundred windows |
| 07:28.22 | ChipX86 | haha, try it :) |
| 07:28.30 | scanlime | downloading it now |
| 07:28.32 | ChipX86 | it would have to, wouldn't it? |
| 07:28.42 | scanlime | I don't see why it wouldn't |
| 07:29.09 | scanlime | sigh.. 16% |
| 07:29.12 | scanlime | on grumpydisk |
| 07:29.46 | scanlime | I bet it wouldn't be too hard to build a piece of hardware you just plug into two disks, and it duplicates one onto the other with lots of fancy retrying and error correction |
| 07:30.02 | scanlime | that's probably exactly what data recovery houses have for relatively easy jobs |
| 07:38.13 | ChipX86 | hmm. It definitely has to do with it calling set_sensitive and making it insensitive and then sensitive again |
| 07:38.17 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.22 | scanlime | on the xen roadmap. That would be nifty. |
| 07:38.24 | ChipX86 | but.. hrm this makes no sense |
| 07:38.37 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:45.16 | ChipX86 | ok, it must be our dialog code then |
| 07:45.59 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 07:46.06 | purple_cow | shanty for the arethusa is such a cool song |
| 07:49.03 | scanlime | time to sleep and hope grumpydisk doesn't explode while I'm out |
| 07:49.15 | scanlime | or the power supply, for that matter... |
| 07:49.18 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 07:49.26 | ChipX86 | it's Regis's code to work around an old bug |
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| 07:51.00 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 07:51.03 | ChipX86 | a bug that still exists in gtk |
| 08:29.57 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 08:29.58 | purple_cow | http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--highpointopen0821aug21,0,524462.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut |
| 08:30.07 | ChipX86 | got it! |
| 08:40.06 | purple_cow | yay ChipX86! |
| 08:43.24 | ChipX86 | that bug is one of those visual bugs that is only slightly annoying, but the annoyance builds up over time and eventually every time you see it you want to scream |
| 08:44.44 | purple_cow | those are cool |
| 08:48.39 | ChipX86 | why am I still up.. |
| 08:55.50 | purple_cow | because it's fun? |
| 08:57.48 | ChipX86 | I guess |
| 08:58.10 | ChipX86 | I'm just not helping my already screwed up sleep schedule :) on the other hand, I've been hacking on vmware code for the past 4 hours |
| 09:12.45 | ChipX86 | same |
| 09:19.00 | ChipX86 | yay, patch is better.. and there's like 3 e-mails to hosted-ui, all very clearly written by somebody who's trying to stay awake |
| 09:19.07 | ChipX86 | (me) |
| 09:20.32 | ChipX86 | ok, bed. g'night |
| 09:20.47 | purple_cow | 'night |
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| 14:22.34 | lurgy | sheesh, be quiet everybody, all this chatter is giving me a headache |
| 14:30.38 | file[lap1op] | lurgyduck! |
| 14:31.09 | rioter | we were going to the world record in irc idiling, and you just ruined it, thanks lurgy! |
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| 14:42.56 | file[lap1op] | eep kergoth |
| 14:44.32 | kergoth` | morning |
| 14:44.42 | file[lap1op] | today is not quite a bad Monday... |
| 14:44.51 | file[lap1op] | $50 check, and an SDIO wifi card... but not my router... bleh |
| 14:45.19 | kergoth` | last night i hit the wrong button on my alarm clock |
| 14:45.29 | kergoth` | definately not a good start to the day |
| 14:45.39 | file[lap1op] | it's working against you! |
| 14:46.20 | kergoth` | :( |
| 14:47.45 | file[lap1op] | I find it amusing that on the Astrocorp website, they have a diagram where the T1/D3 connection is toast and they're piggybacking on broadband |
| 14:47.58 | file[lap1op] | when in reality the SLA on a T1/D3 doesn't allow it to be like that for very long at all |
| 14:48.20 | kergoth` | SLA? heh |
| 14:48.35 | file[lap1op] | service level agreement :P |
| 14:48.41 | kergoth` | heh |
| 14:49.08 | file[lap1op] | an agreement saying, "your T1 only has the potential to be down for this long... if it's down for longer, you don't pay" |
| 14:49.58 | kergoth` | nod. the astrocorp products ensure that server connectivity & stuff is even better than that, uptime wise. i dont think its expected to sit in failover mode for long |
| 14:50.26 | file[lap1op] | anyway, wadddddup? |
| 14:50.40 | kergoth` | damnit. this one kernel tree produces a build that works |
| 14:50.44 | kergoth` | this other one produces a build that doesnt |
| 14:50.48 | kergoth` | but a diff says they're the same |
| 14:53.58 | kergoth` | "Here comes the iptables string match since the textsearch infrastructure |
| 14:53.59 | kergoth` | went into 2.6.13. This adds to iptables the ability of looking for given |
| 14:53.59 | kergoth` | patterns in packets. I'll be happy to see this stuff in Davem's 2.6.14 |
| 14:53.59 | kergoth` | tree ;)" |
| 14:54.01 | kergoth` | twisted. |
| 14:56.27 | file[lap1op] | Item out for delivery |
| 14:56.28 | file[lap1op] | yay |
| 14:58.03 | kergoth` | yay |
| 14:59.51 | darth_mall | huh... Waite is retiring |
| 15:02.02 | file[lap1op] | I could go for some food |
| 15:05.38 | file[lap1op] | USPS tracking continues to irritate me |
| 15:05.44 | file[lap1op] | latest track is that it was Accepted on the 15th. |
| 15:06.00 | file[lap1op] | evilness |
| 15:49.41 | kergoth` | http://terminus.sk/~marek/prog/ipt_sysrq.shtml |
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| 15:53.15 | gonkulator | thats weird... |
| 15:55.28 | gonkulator | ion just sort of rebooted itself last night |
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| 16:01.27 | darth_mall | stupid slow cvs |
| 16:03.43 | numist | destroy mornings |
| 16:03.48 | kergoth` | yes |
| 16:04.14 | numist | although, I did have a nice shower.. I feel better now |
| 16:06.11 | darth_mall | wtf is cvs doing |
| 16:09.28 | kergoth` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.30 | kergoth` | ! |
| 16:09.39 | kergoth` | 81.2% of my cpu is being consumed by my kernel log daemon? |
| 16:10.14 | file[lap1op] | wth I missed delivery... gah |
| 16:10.53 | kergoth` | :( |
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| 16:22.08 | scanlime | ahh |
| 16:22.20 | scanlime | just had to reboot the WRT54G and the cable modem a few times... |
| 16:22.23 | kergoth` | heh |
| 16:22.25 | kergoth` | hate that |
| 16:22.30 | scanlime | yeah |
| 16:22.46 | scanlime | and look, grumpydisk is at 91.48%! |
| 16:23.00 | kergoth` | last time that happened, i told my dad to reboot the cable modem, instead he called level 1 tech support at comcast, who had him rebooting computers, etc |
| 16:23.02 | kergoth` | fun stuff. |
| 16:23.10 | scanlime | haha |
| 16:23.12 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 16:23.12 | kergoth` | eventually we rebooted the cable modem and all was well |
| 16:23.28 | darth_mall | this software engineering class sounds just like Anderson's OOP class |
| 16:23.40 | scanlime | darth_mall: pretty much :( |
| 16:24.32 | darth_mall | at least it had some good books |
| 16:25.07 | gonkulator | darth_mall: is this your second to last semester? |
| 16:25.13 | darth_mall | hopefully |
| 16:25.32 | gonkulator | thats good |
| 16:25.34 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 16:25.40 | darth_mall | I forgot what a Java fanboy Amer is |
| 16:26.45 | darth_mall | oh well, I guess this means I get to add Java to my resume |
| 16:27.25 | darth_mall | and at least we're not doing labs in tcsh |
| 16:32.42 | darth_mall | ugh... I have to work in a group for this class |
| 16:33.01 | gonkulator | bummer |
| 16:42.04 | darth_mall | ugh... damn Diwan and his stupid "conversational classroom" |
| 16:42.12 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 16:42.45 | scanlime | :( |
| 16:42.50 | scanlime | good luck with school folks |
| 16:43.08 | scanlime | 94% grumpydisk! |
| 16:44.08 | numist | woo |
| 16:46.46 | kergoth` | heh, catching up on email, i didnt realize tim bird and some other CELF folks were on the oe list |
| 16:52.10 | darth_mall | sweet zombie jesus |
| 16:52.22 | darth_mall | the new furniture in the ECCR lobby is hideous |
| 16:52.27 | darth_mall | it's like a freaking cafeteria |
| 16:52.28 | numist | pics |
| 16:52.45 | darth_mall | at least it's less fugly than it was, and the chairs aren't all broken |
| 16:54.18 | darth_mall | hmm... |
| 16:54.23 | darth_mall | why do I have cdrtools on my laptop |
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| 16:57.13 | ChipX86 | oh no. |
| 16:57.21 | ChipX86 | they're going to migrate my e-mail tomorrow |
| 16:57.33 | ChipX86 | I thought they said they would give a week's notice. ughh |
| 16:57.45 | darth_mall | ChipX86: run and hide! |
| 16:58.07 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 16:58.18 | darth_mall | I still have spacegrant stuff in my calendar |
| 17:08.31 | darth_mall | bye |
| 17:16.19 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 17:17.28 | darth_mall | have you seen the new furniture? |
| 17:17.49 | darth_mall | it's not quite as garish as the new carpet, and at least it's not broken |
| 17:18.12 | scanlime | woo |
| 17:18.16 | scanlime | my name is on the office now |
| 17:18.27 | darth_mall | yay |
| 17:18.31 | darth_mall | it's like you're an official person |
| 17:18.55 | darth_mall | goddammit evolution, it's time to swap back in |
| 17:19.01 | scanlime | yup |
| 17:19.13 | purple_cow | goddamit evolution, it's time to compile |
| 17:21.11 | scanlime | "I think I'm going to change the permissions on ~mts to g-wo-w too... There's |
| 17:21.11 | scanlime | an awful lot of junk in there that was probably created accidentally (?, a, |
| 17:21.11 | scanlime | b, c, d, a core dump, a nice circular symlink from ~mts/mts to ~mts, some bug |
| 17:21.12 | scanlime | files, ...)" |
| 17:21.28 | scanlime | I'm wondering how all that gets created accidentally... |
| 17:23.49 | purple_cow | i can see how ?, core and ~mts/mts gets created accidentally |
| 17:24.17 | scanlime | "ln -s . mts"? |
| 17:24.54 | purple_cow | ln -s ~ |
| 17:25.14 | scanlime | ah, yeah |
| 17:25.20 | ChipX86 | yay weird bugs |
| 17:26.26 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 17:26.35 | darth_mall | this version of evolution appears somewhat unstable |
| 17:27.01 | purple_cow | 2.3? :) |
| 17:27.21 | darth_mall | 2.4 apparently |
| 17:28.05 | ChipX86 | at some point I need to call IBM and have a long, unhappy discussion about why I want them to just send me a new laptop |
| 17:28.12 | darth_mall | heh |
| 17:28.28 | scanlime | oh, I brought that 2.5" disk adaptor if you still want it |
| 17:28.46 | ChipX86 | I mean, they'd have to, wouldn't they? They need to replace the case, LCD, motherboard, battery, and keyboard again |
| 17:28.54 | purple_cow | 2.4 isn't out yet... |
| 17:28.58 | scanlime | you can have it, I have four of them and I don't have that many 2.5" hard disks |
| 17:29.04 | ChipX86 | scanlime: cool. I'll probably be in later |
| 17:29.10 | ChipX86 | oh ok |
| 17:29.37 | ChipX86 | I tried to copy everything from my laptop to my desktop through the network. Came in and after awhile looked at the directory. Nothing was in it. Went back to the laptop and it was off :( |
| 17:29.49 | scanlime | :( |
| 17:29.58 | ChipX86 | it's a lovely paperweight they sent me |
| 17:30.48 | darth_mall | purple_cow: the binary I have is evolution-2.4 |
| 17:31.07 | purple_cow | so yeah, evolution 2.3 ;) |
| 17:31.11 | ChipX86 | http://www.napawinetours.net/tours/tourDetail.cfm/tid/3703# |
| 17:31.32 | darth_mall | if you say so |
| 17:31.37 | ChipX86 | I wonder if the price is per-person. Probably is. |
| 17:31.45 | darth_mall | do they do that thing like gnome where odd numbered versions are development versions? |
| 17:32.13 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 17:32.26 | darth_mall | uhoh |
| 17:32.29 | darth_mall | that sounds like Rich |
| 17:32.31 | purple_cow | evolution is part of gnome |
| 17:32.36 | darth_mall | someone complaining loudly about living in Kansas |
| 17:32.43 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 17:32.43 | scanlime | yay |
| 17:32.47 | scanlime | say Hi to him for me |
| 17:32.56 | purple_cow | is he trying to explain his new penchant for pisswater? |
| 17:33.29 | darth_mall | no |
| 17:33.31 | darth_mall | just complaining |
| 17:34.53 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 17:34.55 | purple_cow | today's QC is good |
| 17:36.01 | purple_cow | and YAY! |
| 17:36.05 | purple_cow | today's SGR has a prisoner reference |
| 17:40.07 | darth_mall | bah |
| 17:40.10 | darth_mall | stupid Torg Potter |
| 17:49.11 | purple_cow | doodeedoo |
| 17:49.16 | purple_cow | my new apartment is so awesome |
| 17:49.22 | purple_cow | especially the rug i got for the bathroom |
| 17:49.26 | purple_cow | it is soft and fuzzy on my feets |
| 17:50.13 | scanlime | :) |
| 17:50.56 | scanlime | I need to do something with my living room |
| 17:52.04 | purple_cow | i need to figure out what to do with these siggraph posters |
| 17:52.17 | purple_cow | this year's and last's are different sizes :( |
| 17:52.27 | file | ChipX86: :( |
| 17:52.34 | darth_mall | mat one of the smaller one? |
| 17:52.49 | darth_mall | or use the gimp to enlarge it! |
| 17:52.53 | purple_cow | they're smaller in different directions :P |
| 17:53.01 | darth_mall | mat both of them? |
| 17:53.38 | darth_mall | why does it matter if they're different sizes? |
| 17:53.53 | purple_cow | just 'cuz they look weird sitting next to each other on the wall |
| 17:54.03 | darth_mall | could put them on different walls |
| 17:54.12 | darth_mall | or not directly next to each other |
| 17:55.39 | darth_mall | c'mon eclipse, hurry up |
| 17:57.31 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 17:59.24 | scanlime | woo, grumpydisk finished |
| 18:02.05 | ChipX86 | ah-ha |
| 18:02.19 | kergoth` | bleh |
| 18:06.03 | darth_mall | seriously, eclipse, what is so hard about building |
| 18:06.08 | darth_mall | this is as bad as evo or mozilla |
| 18:06.32 | darth_mall | maybe I should head over to the UMC and get some lunch |
| 18:07.07 | darth_mall | bbiab |
| 18:07.42 | scanlime | wow |
| 18:07.46 | scanlime | fsck didn't find any errors |
| 18:07.50 | numist | ?? |
| 18:07.57 | numist | I thought you had bad sectors in there |
| 18:08.00 | scanlime | yes |
| 18:08.09 | numist | all in free space? |
| 18:08.13 | scanlime | so either I just have some songs with holes in them now, or I was really lucky and they were all unused spots |
| 18:08.20 | scanlime | well, this just means they didn't hit any fs metadata |
| 18:08.21 | numist | well.. sweet |
| 18:08.24 | numist | yeah |
| 18:08.30 | numist | you'll find out eventually :) |
| 18:08.32 | scanlime | and apparently grumpydisk works :) |
| 18:08.40 | numist | hurrah |
| 18:09.44 | scanlime | yeah. 'find' seems to turn up about what I expected |
| 18:10.03 | scanlime | well good. Got another disk to write 'DEMONIC' on... |
| 18:10.09 | numist | :D |
| 18:10.25 | scanlime | then eventually I'm sure it will find its way into my desktop machine.. |
| 18:11.10 | numist | better mark those sectors |
| 18:11.32 | scanlime | I think I'd need to make a variant of grumpydisk that exports a bad blocks list |
| 18:11.43 | scanlime | since a normal 'badblocks' run would probably just crash the kernel's usb-storage driver |
| 18:11.50 | kergoth` | bleh |
| 18:12.00 | numist | or go back to mounting the disk the old fashioned way |
| 18:12.20 | scanlime | nah, then I'd just crash the motherboard's disk controller |
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| 18:12.25 | numist | hehe |
| 18:12.27 | scanlime | I have to reset the drive after I hit one of these bad spots |
| 18:12.29 | numist | sounds like quite a demonic disk |
| 18:12.53 | scanlime | yes |
| 18:20.38 | ChipX86 | yay, got a really nice, helpful person |
| 18:20.46 | ChipX86 | they're going to try to jsut get me a new laptop mainly |
| 18:20.55 | scanlime | :) |
| 18:20.57 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, hard disks *do* keep bad block lists of their own |
| 18:21.12 | scanlime | purple_cow: and they crash when the list fills up? :P |
| 18:21.56 | purple_cow | well, when it fills up you generally start getting bad blocks on your filesystems |
| 18:22.11 | numist | purple_cow: I gather thats already happened |
| 18:22.22 | scanlime | but these IBM disks don't do that.. you don't read back garbage, you read the bad spot and the disk just hangs until you reset it |
| 18:22.49 | purple_cow | cool |
| 18:22.59 | scanlime | so grumpydisk literally has to send a hard reset over the USB line and wait for the disk to reset itself every time it hits a bad spot |
| 18:23.08 | scanlime | that's why I had to write it |
| 18:23.45 | scanlime | and it has to reset the disks real slow or the USB to IDE adaptors crash :) |
| 18:24.57 | ChipX86 | speaking of which, I may just pick up that one adapter tomorrow. Going to take some peptobismal and hope I'm not getting what Alex and Walter have |
| 18:25.09 | scanlime | :( |
| 18:25.32 | scanlime | it'll be on my desk if you change your mind and have to have it late at night |
| 18:25.39 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 18:26.10 | purple_cow | oof. the 48x48 gaim icon disappeared? |
| 18:26.14 | ChipX86 | huh? |
| 18:26.57 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 18:27.13 | ChipX86 | I think gaim still sticks it in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 18:27.24 | ChipX86 | YES! Bug fix worked |
| 18:29.43 | kergoth` | yay |
| 18:32.47 | ChipX86 | or very few |
| 18:33.08 | ChipX86 | and IRC is near dead |
| 18:33.27 | ChipX86 | oh, maybe it's that presentation |
| 18:34.00 | darth_mall | ChipX86: I'll send you an e-mail |
| 18:34.21 | ChipX86 | are you goign to review my code? |
| 18:35.16 | darth_mall | no |
| 18:35.53 | darth_mall | it's highly unlikely that I'd provide much useful feedback |
| 18:36.15 | darth_mall | holy cow |
| 18:36.27 | darth_mall | it's recommended to have 768 meg of ram to build eclipse |
| 18:36.38 | kergoth` | whee, checking in like a gig of source into cvs |
| 18:36.40 | scanlime | isn't gentoo fun? |
| 18:38.01 | scanlime | ChipX86: you just need to convince yourself that every change is 'trivial' |
| 18:38.13 | file | scanlime: that made me laugh out loud |
| 18:38.33 | scanlime | file: ew, you got milk on my shoes |
| 18:38.45 | file | that's orange pop |
| 18:39.08 | scanlime | it's not orange any more |
| 18:39.30 | kergoth` | scanlime: http://terminus.sk/~marek/prog/ipt_sysrq.shtml |
| 18:39.30 | file | scary |
| 18:39.38 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i see a lot of eclipse -bin packages |
| 18:39.42 | pagefault | weee |
| 18:40.56 | nullpuppy | kergoth`: thats interesting... very intriguing |
| 18:41.04 | scanlime | kergoth`: cool |
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| 18:41.26 | kergoth` | beinga ble to issue a sync, killall, sync, unmount, reboot, on a remote box that you cant ssh into any longer, is very very nifty. |
| 18:41.41 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 18:41.54 | ChipX86 | scanlime: heh, well this one is one I don't want to mark as trivial, but my last two fixes were trivial |
| 18:42.18 | darth_mall | purple_cow: yeah, but there isn't one for eclipse-sdk |
| 18:42.24 | darth_mall | those binaries are plugins |
| 18:43.34 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 18:43.36 | ChipX86 | tomorrow marks one year |
| 18:43.46 | scanlime | time to party down? |
| 18:43.55 | scanlime | and why did you start on a tuesday? |
| 18:44.13 | purple_cow | wow, rich hasn't rented it out yet |
| 18:44.15 | ChipX86 | last year, the 23rd was a Monday :P |
| 18:44.22 | scanlime | hehe |
| 18:44.44 | ChipX86 | I think I'll go in afterall |
| 18:44.47 | ChipX86 | just not right now |
| 18:48.02 | pagefault | yay radiohead |
| 18:48.29 | scanlime | whew. finally tested this all under windows |
| 18:49.03 | file | eep it's pagefault |
| 18:50.40 | darth_mall | umm... wow http://navi.cx/~evan/eclipse.png |
| 18:51.09 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 18:51.14 | ChipX86 | useful. |
| 18:51.33 | darth_mall | wtf... Window->Preferences? |
| 18:51.36 | darth_mall | how does that make any sense? |
| 18:52.23 | pagefault | eep it's a file |
| 18:53.03 | darth_mall | so they use Gtk2, but they do their own tabs |
| 18:53.03 | purple_cow | darth_mall: wow |
| 18:53.13 | scanlime | that's beautiful... |
| 18:53.15 | scanlime | or something |
| 18:53.30 | purple_cow | well, they probably do their own tabs because the tabs are part of the docking system |
| 18:53.36 | pagefault | file, whats up |
| 18:53.48 | purple_cow | and i bet nobody knows why they didn't just use gdl-dock |
| 18:54.03 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: it's in java? |
| 18:54.08 | purple_cow | ChipX86: so? |
| 18:54.14 | scanlime | is mailman down? |
| 18:54.16 | purple_cow | gdl-dock is simple. they ported it to C# in a snap |
| 18:54.26 | ChipX86 | scanlime: oh. Maybe. That would explain the no e-mails thing |
| 18:54.38 | darth_mall | this is probably the single ugliest IDE I've ever seen in my life |
| 18:54.43 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 18:54.45 | darth_mall | I wonder if I can ust use vim and a Makefile |
| 18:54.46 | purple_cow | darth_mall: hehe |
| 18:55.04 | darth_mall | bus passes are good for the soul |
| 18:56.14 | scanlime | ChipX86: oh. I just got my mails, but it's really slow and delivering out of order |
| 18:56.40 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ugh |
| 18:56.40 | scanlime | darth_mall: there are plenty of good java-happy build systems that don't force you to use a particular IDe |
| 18:56.45 | scanlime | darth_mall: ant is nice from what I've seen |
| 18:57.03 | darth_mall | scanlime: yeah, but Diwan has decided that we're going to use eclipse for some reason |
| 18:57.07 | ChipX86 | hah, Jocelyn marked my tracker bug as rc1fix |
| 18:57.20 | darth_mall | not quite sure what using eclipse has to do with software engineering methods in general... |
| 18:58.06 | darth_mall | maybe I'll drop this class after all and just keep the Design Patterns book |
| 18:58.43 | darth_mall | I'm starting to question whether or not I can handle another year >< |
| 18:58.47 | scanlime | ChipX86: the speed bumps here are worse :( |
| 18:59.16 | ChipX86 | uh oh, what'd they do? |
| 18:59.35 | darth_mall | omfg |
| 18:59.42 | file | hehe... silly code |
| 18:59.47 | darth_mall | To install CDT from the update site, in the Help menu select Software Updates and then Find and Install, Select Search for new features to install and click Next. |
| 18:59.50 | scanlime | ChipX86: there's a thread on fun-list about it, but apparently they're pointier now |
| 18:59.54 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 18:59.57 | darth_mall | why the fuck do you install plugins from the Help menu?! |
| 19:00.02 | ChipX86 | stupid building manager guy |
| 19:00.03 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: hahaha |
| 19:00.06 | scanlime | darth_mall: it helps you install things? |
| 19:00.39 | scanlime | darth_mall: it's a trend toward natural-language interfaces. Soon the menus will be more like Help->Me->Install->Plugins->Please |
| 19:00.43 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 19:01.14 | darth_mall | x-g needs a plugin that converts menus to natural language that |
| 19:01.38 | darth_mall | this software is making me seriously ill |
| 19:02.33 | scanlime | doodlydoo.. |
| 19:02.34 | ChipX86 | scanline: woah, I hope Anil Rao is just joking in that post :P that's a bit extreme |
| 19:02.42 | darth_mall | I really want to know what schumck designed this interface |
| 19:02.54 | scanlime | guess I'm staring at windows drivers or looking at the IDF schedule until Chris gets in |
| 19:02.57 | scanlime | ChipX86: yeah |
| 19:03.04 | ChipX86 | (I typoed the name as Anal Rio at first... woops) |
| 19:03.28 | scanlime | ChipX86: either joking or he has really low ground clearance.. they're pretty bumpy but my car handles them alright |
| 19:03.59 | ChipX86 | it's just a silly reason to quit a good job |
| 19:04.03 | scanlime | yeah |
| 19:04.40 | ChipX86 | looks like an ESX developer |
| 19:04.57 | scanlime | oh. he's in hillview |
| 19:05.02 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 19:05.03 | scanlime | maybe they're worse over there |
| 19:05.18 | ChipX86 | they're these little pointy bumps |
| 19:05.21 | ChipX86 | really annoying ones |
| 19:05.33 | ChipX86 | it's like taking a bunch of bricks and putting them in a line and painting them white |
| 19:05.43 | scanlime | fun |
| 19:06.16 | ChipX86 | "It's juist that I am not raedy to part with my car and my currently salary doesn't allow me to buy a new one." |
| 19:06.19 | darth_mall | mmm... bricks |
| 19:06.19 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 19:06.19 | scanlime | I don't remember seeing any speed bumps in Rome.. they just have cobblestone-everything and nothing is straight. I like that approach. |
| 19:07.31 | darth_mall | naw |
| 19:08.10 | darth_mall | it should be legal for me to strangle people with iPod shuffles |
| 19:08.49 | gonkulator | darth_mall: why on earth would you do that???? its almost like... you don't like iPod shuffles </sarcasm> :) |
| 19:08.58 | pagefault | rome is fun |
| 19:09.01 | pagefault | good food |
| 19:09.05 | ChipX86 | stupid windows codebase.. |
| 19:09.41 | pagefault | poor ChipX86 |
| 19:10.12 | scanlime | pagefault: yes |
| 19:10.24 | ChipX86 | hah, found it. It's in a place that one wouldn't think to look at first. |
| 19:11.10 | darth_mall | hmm... so this flashing tab thing in the panel is neat |
| 19:11.34 | scanlime | https://www28.cplan.com/cv82/sessions_catalog.jsp?ilc=82-9&ilg=english&isort=1&is=%3CISEARCH%3E&ip=no&itrack=+&itarget_audience=+&itechnology_topics=+&idate=+&isession_id=&iabstract=virtualization |
| 19:11.38 | scanlime | eep, long URL |
| 19:13.31 | numist | pretty picture |
| 19:13.38 | darth_mall | goddammit eclipse, how long does it take to verify a C/C++ IDE plugin? |
| 19:14.00 | numist | darth_mall: you must chant the ancient mantra of speed, else suffer the java :) |
| 19:14.15 | darth_mall | I do not know why Amer thinks Java is so hot |
| 19:14.22 | darth_mall | good lord this thing is a piece of crap |
| 19:15.24 | darth_mall | it doesn't look like it's even doing anythin |
| 19:16.32 | darth_mall | I think it crashed |
| 19:16.39 | numist | buahaha |
| 19:17.23 | darth_mall | and right after killed it, it popped up with the verification? |
| 19:17.25 | darth_mall | wtf |
| 19:17.36 | numist | hehe |
| 19:19.35 | darth_mall | I'm going to murder Diwan |
| 19:20.29 | scanlime | http://www.numlock.ch/news/archives/000248.html |
| 19:20.33 | gonkulator | yay |
| 19:20.35 | gonkulator | all packed |
| 19:20.36 | slimspace | anyone having trouble with gaim? |
| 19:20.40 | gonkulator | slimspace: always :) |
| 19:20.41 | darth_mall | slimspace: nope |
| 19:20.51 | numist | slimspace: Im on bitlbee (same core) no issues here |
| 19:21.01 | numist | boo |
| 19:22.10 | darth_mall | ok... so eclipse has a plugin for UML, but not python or C# |
| 19:22.57 | darth_mall | eclipse is so off the team |
| 19:23.17 | slimspace | grr....so apparently my router's DNS server is screwed up |
| 19:23.19 | scanlime | why would you need user mode linux inside eclipse? :P |
| 19:25.51 | scanlime | yawn.. |
| 19:25.55 | scanlime | I bet there's more coffee now |
| 19:27.09 | darth_mall | so why is it that when I open a C file, the javadoc tab is still there |
| 19:30.11 | scanlime | mmm |
| 19:31.17 | scanlime | damnit. thunderbird still isn't checking every imap folder for new mail |
| 19:31.23 | scanlime | just the one I have hilighted |
| 19:31.23 | file | Canada Post is stupid, they never even tried to deliver this package |
| 19:36.21 | darth_mall | hahaha |
| 19:36.27 | darth_mall | purple_cow just walked *right* past me |
| 19:36.33 | scanlime | :) |
| 19:36.47 | darth_mall | he must've been extremely fixated on the coffee |
| 19:36.47 | slimspace | weird...my router was associating all the IM servers to 1.0.0.0 |
| 19:37.02 | scanlime | aha |
| 19:38.04 | ChipX86 | hurray for someone telling me their solution is better than mine when their solution is based in ignorance |
| 19:39.41 | darth_mall | ChipX86: all ignorant solutions are the best |
| 19:40.48 | kergoth` | pfft, IDE |
| 19:41.11 | darth_mall | yeah, I don't get why he's so keen on us using this one |
| 19:41.18 | darth_mall | it's a neat idea, but the reality is pretty hideous |
| 19:42.13 | darth_mall | hmm |
| 19:42.25 | darth_mall | I should go print some stuff and get ready to meet with this CEB guy |
| 19:47.58 | numist | I really wish someone with a windows driver devel kit would write a driver to support ext3 or ext2 |
| 19:48.05 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:49.06 | scanlime | it's been done |
| 19:49.31 | numist | whoa! |
| 19:49.32 | numist | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 19:49.33 | numist | sweet! |
| 19:49.53 | numist | Im installing winxp on ext3 next time :D |
| 19:52.15 | kergoth` | cute. would be handy for dual booting |
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| 19:54.02 | numist | nah, you cant... explicitly doesnt support it |
| 19:58.04 | kergoth` | huh? |
| 19:58.30 | kergoth` | "If you currently have Windows running and you realize that you need some files for your work which you have stored on an Ext2 volume of your Linux installation, you no longer have to shut down Windows and boot Linux!" .. sounds like a dual boot environment to me |
| 19:58.39 | numist | you would have to hack the windows installer to implement the driver support for ext2 to install windows on ext2 |
| 19:58.45 | kergoth` | oh, the install onto it |
| 19:58.46 | kergoth` | gotcha |
| 19:58.55 | numist | see... currently Ive been keeping my files on a fat32 partition |
| 19:59.00 | kergoth` | ew. |
| 19:59.03 | numist | since linux and windows both support rw for that |
| 19:59.08 | numist | but.. yeah, its not a viable filesystem |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth` | so create a seperate share partition for transfers between windows and linux and make it ext2/3 |
| 19:59.38 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:59.58 | ChipX86 | you could always use a VM to transfer to the ntfs filesystem.. Have it work as a file server :P |
| 20:00.10 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 20:00.24 | ChipX86 | VMs solve everything! |
| 20:00.43 | kergoth` | world hunger? |
| 20:00.56 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 20:01.00 | kergoth` | neat. |
| 20:01.40 | scanlime | ChipX86: how did you decide how much to put in your 401k? It says you can put in up to a 50% deduction, but if I understand this right I hit the yearly maximum if I go above 18% or so |
| 20:02.17 | ChipX86 | I put either 15 or 20%, I can't remember which |
| 20:02.37 | scanlime | hmm. mmkay. I'll assume I understand this right and put in 18% |
| 20:02.41 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:02.46 | ChipX86 | probably best |
| 20:02.49 | ChipX86 | 50% is a bit much |
| 20:02.51 | scanlime | nof |
| 20:02.53 | scanlime | er, nod |
| 20:03.04 | ChipX86 | considering the employee stock purchase program and everything else too |
| 20:03.05 | scanlime | and I think it would just stop putting anything in mid-year when it hits that IRS limit |
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| 20:04.02 | scanlime | yay for HCMON procrastination encouraging me to set up my 401k :P |
| 20:04.24 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:05.13 | scanlime | newer revisions of main don't work for me with a windows host.. older builds run, but still have a bug that causes vmx to crash if you unplug a USB device that's being accessed |
| 20:05.23 | ChipX86 | ick |
| 20:05.31 | scanlime | so I'm using DOS as one of my guests just so I can have something lightweight that won't even try to use this USB device |
| 20:05.38 | scanlime | I just need to watch it connect and disconnect :) |
| 20:06.10 | purple_cow | yay for useless courses |
| 20:13.18 | scanlime | purple_cow: you folks really aren't making me sad that I'm done with school ;) |
| 20:13.25 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 20:13.51 | kergoth` | christ i'm gonna end up spending a lot of money on cappuccino and shit |
| 20:13.59 | kergoth` | i should buy an espresso machine |
| 20:15.12 | scanlime | sweet! |
| 20:15.25 | scanlime | I just found a way to crash every VMX on my windows box simultaneously when I remove a USB device! |
| 20:15.31 | scanlime | #$@%@#^ |
| 20:16.04 | ChipX86 | funnn |
| 20:16.34 | purple_cow | scanlime: yep |
| 20:17.43 | scanlime | I do like this "DEV: Quit anyway?" dialog box |
| 20:18.31 | kergoth` | any of you guys have an espresso machine? |
| 20:18.54 | scanlime | haha. Dustin has the same Advanced Circuits coaster :) |
| 20:22.44 | scanlime | ooh |
| 20:22.47 | ChipX86 | Philip posted a couple of good blog entries about ISVs and the desktop |
| 20:22.49 | scanlime | "Optimizing Embedded Linux for Consumer Electronics Devices" |
| 20:22.52 | purple_cow | welp, chem 140 is a lot less gross, but it's still got the midgit chairs |
| 20:23.48 | purple_cow | it's got lighting that doesn't make me sleepy now |
| 20:23.50 | kergoth` | IDF? |
| 20:23.55 | scanlime | Intel Developer Forum |
| 20:24.00 | kergoth` | ah. |
| 20:25.42 | purple_cow | oh wow |
| 20:25.45 | scanlime | heh, lots of Infiniband stuff |
| 20:25.45 | purple_cow | an xchat-gnome patch |
| 20:25.49 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:25.56 | ChipX86 | yay patches |
| 20:25.57 | ChipX86 | what's it for? |
| 20:26.35 | ChipX86 | Ross Burton sent me a galago-daemon patch today. It made me happy |
| 20:27.12 | kergoth` | jesus, the IEEE is nothing if not thorough. the 802.1q specification is 211 pages |
| 20:27.17 | kergoth` | heh |
| 20:27.39 | purple_cow | ChipX86: just implementing something in the user context menu |
| 20:27.51 | purple_cow | but i think that's the...um... second patch i've gotten? |
| 20:28.07 | purple_cow | first was luis implementing clicking on urls |
| 20:28.21 | kergoth` | is xchat-gnome in ubuntu? |
| 20:28.22 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 20:28.28 | purple_cow | kergoth`: i do believe so |
| 20:28.40 | scanlime | huh, really? |
| 20:28.46 | purple_cow | i guess i had some patches to the glade files from some guy |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth` | ~/code/oe$ apt-cache search xchat |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth` | xchat - IRC client for X similar to AmIRC |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth` | xchat-common - Common files for X-Chat |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth` | xchat-text - IRC client for console similar to AmIRC |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth` | xchat-systray - xchat systray notification icon |
| 20:29.14 | kergoth` | ~/code/oe$ |
| 20:29.33 | scanlime | purple_cow: nope.. "xchat-gnome" is still debian's broken deprecated name for fe-gtk |
| 20:31.04 | darth_mall | apt-get harder! |
| 20:31.09 | purple_cow | maybe it's just in breezy? |
| 20:32.58 | purple_cow | i know that there is a package in some part of ubuntu |
| 20:33.15 | darth_mall | isn't there a kernel option somewhere that says the hardware clock is in UTC? |
| 20:34.07 | scanlime | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6078.html |
| 20:34.09 | scanlime | huh |
| 20:34.16 | scanlime | "xchat isn't a true GNOME2 program so it doesn't obey all the rules." |
| 20:34.56 | scanlime | I think everybody on there could save some time by reading the FAQ... |
| 20:35.31 | kergoth` | hmm, gnuplot looks most spiffy |
| 20:35.32 | ChipX86 | wow what stupid posts |
| 20:35.45 | darth_mall | scanlime: the internet is not for FAQs |
| 20:35.46 | ChipX86 | one guy says that the HIG put the buttons the wrong way. Another guy says that, no, Windwos put it the wrong way |
| 20:35.50 | ChipX86 | as if there's a wrong way |
| 20:35.50 | purple_cow | kergoth`: i loves gnuplot |
| 20:36.10 | darth_mall | ChipX86: ^^ |
| 20:36.33 | kergoth` | goddamnit, this is like the 8th timei 've pulled up websvn and had it report a database problem, and then i cant use the normal svn client anymore either, have to svnadmin recover |
| 20:37.00 | purple_cow | websvn is silly |
| 20:37.15 | darth_mall | grr... where's that freaking option |
| 20:37.30 | kergoth` | whats that other web svn dealy. viewsvn or something? |
| 20:37.43 | scanlime | websvn is fine when it isn't eating zero alive |
| 20:38.08 | scanlime | http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xchat-gnome/ |
| 20:38.09 | scanlime | aha |
| 20:39.43 | kergoth` | nice |
| 20:39.51 | kergoth` | the other day the google spider decided to have a field day with my websvn |
| 20:39.55 | kergoth` | methinks i need a robots.txt :P |
| 20:39.57 | scanlime | yes! |
| 20:40.00 | scanlime | that's what happened to zero |
| 20:40.05 | scanlime | google and msnbot were hammering the crap out of it |
| 20:40.14 | scanlime | ate up all my disk space with temporary checkouts for building tarballs |
| 20:40.16 | ChipX86 | they should know better than that. |
| 20:40.21 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 20:41.35 | scanlime | ah. Chris is around.. and he's responding to my emails to tell me he'll get back to me soon :) |
| 20:41.52 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 20:42.28 | scanlime | and for some reason we have a meeting today.. |
| 20:43.35 | scanlime | ugh |
| 20:43.44 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 20:43.49 | scanlime | kergoth`: that definitely looks like a breezy package.. needs a newer libc and gtk and everything |
| 20:43.51 | ChipX86 | man, tinderbox is in flames |
| 20:44.00 | ChipX86 | scanlime: or rebuild it :D |
| 20:44.23 | scanlime | I tried to when I was first setting up this machine |
| 20:44.26 | scanlime | didn't have the patience |
| 20:44.28 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 20:44.30 | scanlime | I'm still just using irssi |
| 20:45.33 | scanlime | ChipX86: heh, so I'm not the only one that can't build... |
| 20:46.02 | scanlime | that sure is an ugly fire animation |
| 20:47.16 | purple_cow | welp, class is about over |
| 20:50.04 | darth_mall | oh noes |
| 20:52.11 | numist | food |
| 20:52.11 | numist | later |
| 20:55.28 | kergoth` | scanlime: building a .deb using the .dsc/.diff.gz/.orig.tar.gz w/ dpkg-buildpackage for my ubuntu box, can give you the .deb if you'd like |
| 20:55.48 | scanlime | heh, ok |
| 20:55.57 | kergoth` | heh |
| 20:56.02 | scanlime | heh! |
| 20:56.21 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 20:56.27 | kergoth` | erm, paid, too |
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| 21:02.34 | kergoth_ | whee, xchat-gnome |
| 21:02.44 | kergoth_ | so uh.. how the hell do i manipulate my irc networks in this? |
| 21:02.53 | kergoth_ | all i can do is connect to freenode, not add a server to freenode :P |
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| 21:10.02 | kergoth_ | *sniff* |
| 21:10.05 | kergoth_ | made xchat-gnome 0.4 crash & burn |
| 21:10.06 | kergoth_ | that was fun |
| 21:29.29 | ChipX86 | I need a new project |
| 21:29.34 | ChipX86 | (at vmware) |
| 21:29.46 | ChipX86 | this canvas stuff is driving me insane and we're starting to question if we need it |
| 21:36.27 | kergoth_ | :( |
| 21:36.50 | ChipX86 | yeah I completely give up |
| 21:36.51 | ChipX86 | this is insane |
| 21:36.56 | ChipX86 | I've never used an API that sucked this much |
| 21:36.58 | kergoth_ | i've been banging my head against the wall for days trying to get my build environment happy |
| 21:37.06 | kergoth_ | and it turns out the fucking hardware of the device i had here was flaky |
| 21:37.10 | kergoth_ | my images were fine |
| 21:37.11 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 21:37.14 | kergoth_ | i hate that. |
| 21:37.17 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:42.32 | kergoth_ | i've started using mallum's didiwiki locally to track an overall high level TODO, which shows my primary and secondary tasks, and i have daily todo pages in teh wiki where i outline what i intended to accomplish for the day whewn i got to work, and at the end of the day, what i actually did accomplish |
| 21:42.41 | kergoth_ | kinda weird, when a manager makes me do that shit i hate it |
| 21:42.48 | kergoth_ | but when i do it to keep myself on track, no problem |
| 21:42.49 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 21:48.55 | ChipX86 | scanlime: do you guys run your mail off a linode? |
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| 21:56.03 | scanlime | ChipX86: my mail at navi.cx comes into flapjack, along with all of CIA's mail |
| 21:56.08 | scanlime | I then .forward it to gmail |
| 21:56.12 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:57.01 | ChipX86 | I was setting up osiris as a mail server, and then the antivirus scanner I installed caused everything to go crazy and chew up all my swap. I can of course nuke that, but I think cyrus was being problematic too. I'm just unsure about trying it again :) |
| 22:01.05 | ChipX86 | today's frustrating. My only bugs are ones I can't do because the people in the teams I need stuff from don't want to implement the stuff I need |
| 22:01.34 | scanlime | kinda slow here too.. 1 meeting, waiting on reviews, waiting on builds to fail... |
| 22:01.43 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 22:01.46 | ChipX86 | meh, mondays |
| 22:01.47 | scanlime | watching vmx crash while I'm trying to reproduce this bug |
| 22:01.51 | scanlime | yeah |
| 22:01.59 | scanlime | I should get some food.. maybe a peanut butter sammich, or some cereal |
| 22:02.01 | ChipX86 | I'm just going to take a break |
| 22:02.08 | ChipX86 | good idea |
| 22:06.37 | file[lap1op] | Veight: eep! |
| 22:06.42 | kergoth_ | damn its 5 already |
| 22:06.42 | kergoth_ | yay |
| 22:06.56 | scanlime | 5? you and your crazy time zone |
| 22:06.59 | scanlime | 3 here :P |
| 22:07.04 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 22:07.06 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:07.41 | Veight | 5 o'clock is fun because thats when its 5 o'clock |
| 22:07.46 | kergoth_ | naturally |
| 22:07.58 | kergoth_ | this morning sucked ass. last night i hit the wrong button on my alarm clock |
| 22:08.03 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:08.04 | kergoth_ | turned on alarm #2, which is 12 noon |
| 22:08.04 | scanlime | Veight: take it back, that's a lie! |
| 22:08.06 | kergoth_ | which isnt very helpful |
| 22:08.19 | pagefault_ | I hunger for food |
| 22:08.20 | ChipX86 | I was up until 3 last night fixing bugs |
| 22:08.32 | kergoth_ | i hunger for.. things i wont mention here |
| 22:08.34 | Veight | kergoth_: yay chicken level my warrior/archer is 124 :P |
| 22:08.35 | ChipX86 | one of those productive streaks I haven't had for a while |
| 22:08.42 | kergoth_ | ChipX86: nice |
| 22:09.04 | ChipX86 | I haven't had them recently |
| 22:09.09 | ChipX86 | burned out kinda |
| 22:09.31 | file[lap1op] | I cheated today on fixing a bug, I left myself a TODO comment and said screw it |
| 22:09.38 | ChipX86 | well, from open source infrastrcuture mainly.. not vmware. But the vmware stuff I'm working on sucks right now and I'm just going to scrap it all |
| 22:09.40 | file[lap1op] | then commented out the offending code |
| 22:10.54 | kergoth_ | the IEEE is good at confusing me |
| 22:11.12 | file[lap1op] | yay confused kergoth |
| 22:11.17 | scanlime | most standards bodies are good like that |
| 22:11.22 | kergoth_ | the title of this chapter is Enhanced Internal Sublayer Service Provided Within VLAN Bridges |
| 22:11.24 | scanlime | ever read the USB spec? :) |
| 22:11.30 | Veight | haha confused kergoth |
| 22:11.38 | kergoth_ | hehe, cant say that i have |
| 22:11.38 | file[lap1op] | SIP is a good read, so is RFC 2833 |
| 22:12.17 | ChipX86 | ok, and very little at vmware annoys me more than this: I get bug reports about error messages received from the vmx or from disklib and I'm told to fix them. The people in disklib and such don't want them changed, and the errors are too generic there. There's *nothing* I can do |
| 22:12.18 | scanlime | kergoth_: the usb bulk-only storage spec spends something like 50 pages describing how to do what amounts to two writes and a read... |
| 22:12.22 | kergoth_ | haha |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth_ | gotta love standards done by committees |
| 22:13.01 | scanlime | well, I think the USB specs are pretty well written |
| 22:13.07 | scanlime | there are just so many special cases you have to enumerate |
| 22:13.13 | numist | yay carrie got dsl today |
| 22:14.54 | kergoth_ | yay |
| 22:34.49 | scanlime | crash.... |
| 22:36.13 | kergoth_ | amazing how much more productive i am when i actually have working hardware :P |
| 22:37.03 | file[lap1op] | kergoth_: did you "borrow" more RAM yet? |
| 22:38.01 | kergoth_ | not yet |
| 22:38.57 | file[lap1op] | awww |
| 22:52.44 | *** join/#tacobeam evan_ (n=evan@71-33-196-199.dnvr.qwest.net) |
| 23:04.15 | purple_cow | darth_mall: things seem only moderately broken on my laptop :) |
| 23:04.21 | darth_mall | wtf |
| 23:04.36 | darth_mall | I've got >=x11-libs/pango-1.9 in package.unmask and it's still saying it's masked |
| 23:04.54 | pagefault_ | man |
| 23:05.00 | pagefault_ | i've done like 6gb of transfer today |
| 23:05.09 | purple_cow | darth_mall: try just x11-libs/pango |
| 23:05.30 | ChipX86 | it bothers me when bug reporters put in information that has absolutely no bearing on the bug but ends up skewing all your testing |
| 23:05.44 | ChipX86 | "Create a legacy VM" blah blah.. turns out it has nothing at all to do with legacy VMs |
| 23:07.33 | darth_mall | purple_cow: yeah, that was my impression on my laptop |
| 23:10.13 | kergoth | yay, home |
| 23:12.05 | darth_mall | ok |
| 23:12.07 | darth_mall | pango hates me |
| 23:12.07 | darth_mall | wtf |
| 23:12.50 | ChipX86 | today sucks. |
| 23:13.10 | kergoth | its monday. |
| 23:13.17 | scanlime | grarr |
| 23:13.33 | scanlime | so I get the latest main to build and run on windows |
| 23:13.48 | scanlime | still crashes.. but it turns out that it's a crash in my code :P |
| 23:13.53 | scanlime | so now I get to do more windows debugging |
| 23:14.16 | purple_cow | did i ever mention that i hate it when users change the priority of bugs from "normal" to "high" ? |
| 23:14.18 | file[laptop] | do they have something fancy on Windows that'll tell you exactly what line crashed an app? |
| 23:14.35 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:14.40 | purple_cow | ...fancy? :P |
| 23:14.49 | file[laptop] | Windows stuff is always fancy |
| 23:14.52 | scanlime | file[laptop]: well, our usual crash dialog box gives you a line number and all that. it even gives you a core file! and logs! :P |
| 23:14.57 | file[laptop] | yay |
| 23:15.09 | scanlime | I'm not sure what to do with a core file in windows... |
| 23:15.22 | file[laptop] | gdb lied to me today with what was seg faulting my stuff... silly gdb |
| 23:15.23 | darth_mall | purple_cow: who changed what? |
| 23:15.26 | purple_cow | open it with the VS debugger? |
| 23:15.35 | purple_cow | darth_mall: the guy who submitted the patch did it to the bug in question |
| 23:15.40 | purple_cow | i can kind of understand, but bah! |
| 23:15.48 | darth_mall | hah |
| 23:16.06 | scanlime | ok, that's it. I'm writing a tool to keep my windows source tree clean. This is just ridiculous. |
| 23:17.25 | ChipX86 | bah. I'm done for now. |
| 23:17.29 | ChipX86 | maybe I'll work more later |
| 23:17.39 | scanlime | are you still at home? |
| 23:18.13 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah, decided I'd save time and get these two bugs fixed. Of course, it turns out I can't do fix them... |
| 23:18.56 | ChipX86 | most of my bugs are like this. They're things that really require other people to fix (vmx, disklib, etc.) but they don't want to upset their precious design to give us, say, better error messages, and we can't get the info we need otherwise |
| 23:19.57 | numist | ChipX86: thats why open source is so nice... you can go in there and change it yourself :) |
| 23:20.12 | ChipX86 | I can change it myself here, but they won't accept it :) |
| 23:20.17 | ChipX86 | that's no different from open source |
| 23:20.24 | ChipX86 | I can't just change evolution without their approval |
| 23:22.01 | scanlime | yay.. I hate windows |
| 23:23.34 | purple_cow | ChipX86: well, you *can*, but it's a waste of time ;) |
| 23:23.41 | ChipX86 | heh yeah |
| 23:28.16 | scanlime | grr |
| 23:28.22 | purple_cow | ChipX86: time for more taco? :D |
| 23:28.26 | ChipX86 | may be |
| 23:28.41 | ChipX86 | that was meant to be one word |
| 23:29.58 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8813 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (textgui.c userlist-gui.c userlist-gui.h): set current_user properly when you right click on a user in the xtext window, apply Guillaume Desmottes's patch for implementing remaining user context options, and rename "Open Dialog" to "Private Chat" |
| 23:33.51 | scanlime | ahh, yay |
| 23:34.13 | scanlime | I now have a script which figures out which files I've been patching and reverts everything |
| 23:34.22 | scanlime | no more p4 getting horribly out of sync |
| 23:40.55 | scanlime | mmm, bucket |
| 23:41.59 | hardwire | I want chicken |
| 23:42.01 | hardwire | now |
| 23:43.00 | ChipX86 | our device summary page sucks for harddrives |
| 23:43.15 | ChipX86 | we should be displaying the space free, not "Compact" or "Persistent" |
| 23:43.23 | scanlime | hell yes! |
| 23:43.31 | scanlime | $ ~/clean-tree.sh; yap push -a |
| 23:43.49 | scanlime | that replaces hours of beating my head against p4- instantly grabs all my patches from my linux box and applies them to a clean tree |
| 23:44.22 | scanlime | thank goodness for cygwin =D |
| 23:44.34 | scanlime | I don't know how any of us would develop on windows without it |
| 23:45.10 | scanlime | now microsoft's compiler just needs to be faster |
| 23:54.25 | file[laptop] | Microsoft's Embedded stuff needs to work on their XP Pro 64-bit |
| 23:56.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.19 | kergoth | much less painful than the alternatives |
| 23:56.37 | scanlime | that's basically what I do |
| 23:56.43 | scanlime | this 'yap' tool is a lot like quilt |
| 23:56.49 | scanlime | very very simple |
| 23:56.51 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:57.29 | scanlime | we have scripts that automatically send out code review emails from yap's patchsets, and other cool things like that :) |
| 23:59.18 | numist | yay I got the usb ide adaptors in today |
| 23:59.27 | numist | and they came with laptop adapters.. so I have 6 of those now.. |
