| 00:03.45 | file | ooh special on Palo Alto on A&E or something |
| 00:03.49 | file | looks like a really nice place |
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| 00:05.52 | laodamas | ohio: http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=Print_Article&Content_ID=226719 |
| 00:06.30 | laodamas | "Ohio women who use tampons can now rest easy that they're engaging in "sexual conduct," which is now defined under Sec. 2907.01 as "vaginal intercourse"" |
| 00:12.41 | purple_cow | that's crazy |
| 00:14.15 | laodamas | go fundamentalism! |
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| 03:31.14 | ChipX86 | yay back |
| 03:37.50 | purple_cow | dowdy [to t]: there's just something REALLY unsettling about " echo / > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern " -- I mean, i just don't TRUST lunix to not decide to replace the root |
| 03:37.50 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.50 | purple_cow | sean [to Stephen]: The docs say it will never overwrite a directory |
| 03:37.50 | purple_cow | sean says, "But apparently it will overwrite a symlink" |
| 03:37.50 | purple_cow | dowdy [to sean]: sure, the docs SAY that! I find lts of lunix docs ssay LOTS of things, often untrue |
| 03:37.52 | purple_cow | dowdy says, "and maybe it works *this* week, maybe not tomorrow ;}" |
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| 04:25.06 | kergoth | yay Poe |
| 04:25.19 | file | power over ethernet? |
| 04:25.21 | file | ;) |
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| 05:18.18 | irisieren | hi all! |
| 05:39.39 | purple_cow | hello |
| 05:41.04 | wca | *burp* |
| 05:53.30 | darth_mall | damn that was fun |
| 05:53.45 | darth_mall | I swear, everytime I see DWN it's better than the last |
| 05:54.46 | darth_mall | purple_cow: how'd you figure out that it was pkgconfig? |
| 05:55.41 | purple_cow | darth_mall: well, i upgraded pkgconfig and suddenly stuff started breaking |
| 05:56.26 | darth_mall | oh |
| 05:56.27 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 05:57.08 | darth_mall | yeah, I was googleing for everything I could think of, and I found nothing |
| 05:59.37 | purple_cow | yay, something to watch tonight |
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| 06:11.37 | ChipX86 | http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Developing_XP_Client_for_Old_PCs/1115932877 |
| 06:42.58 | purple_cow | yay, who time |
| 07:15.37 | kergoth | purple_cow: you end up finding a dr who torrent? |
| 07:16.32 | purple_cow | kergoth: there are a couple on mininova |
| 07:16.41 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 07:17.38 | ChipX86 | wow, 3 hours on the phone |
| 07:18.29 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45101&item=7515239021&rd=1 |
| 07:19.05 | ChipX86 | *gasp* |
| 07:19.05 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42139&item=5975053362&rd=1 |
| 07:19.19 | purple_cow | hehe, cool |
| 07:20.37 | ChipX86 | I just bid on this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45101&item=7514873373&rd=1 |
| 07:22.58 | purple_cow | this episode is all cool and paradoxey, but doesn't really fit in with the normal dr who approach to time :P |
| 07:24.09 | ChipX86 | ooh: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7513795672&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores |
| 07:38.59 | purple_cow | sweet! |
| 07:39.04 | purple_cow | emerge sync then look in net-irc =D |
| 07:39.10 | ChipX86 | oohh |
| 07:39.12 | ChipX86 | xchat-gnome? |
| 07:39.26 | purple_cow | yep |
| 07:39.40 | purple_cow | apparently a portage guy felt that it was mature enough, finally |
| 07:40.16 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 07:40.18 | ChipX86 | I still need galago in there |
| 07:40.30 | numist | ChipX86: ping |
| 07:40.34 | ChipX86 | pong |
| 07:40.48 | numist | ping reply took 4s |
| 07:40.58 | numist | whats new |
| 07:41.11 | ChipX86 | looking for a his/her pendant set |
| 07:41.33 | numist | jamie? |
| 07:41.35 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:41.46 | numist | nice, if you find a decent one, tell me too :) |
| 07:41.55 | ChipX86 | will do |
| 07:42.01 | ChipX86 | only ones I know of are video game pendants, though they are nice |
| 07:42.14 | numist | haha |
| 07:42.21 | numist | I doubt thatll fly... with carrie at least |
| 07:45.11 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13667&item=5974091009&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW#ebayphotohosting |
| 07:45.19 | ChipX86 | that's what Rachael got for me way back when, and she had a matching ring |
| 07:47.02 | numist | sweet |
| 07:51.30 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=92814&item=4990772087&rd=1 |
| 07:58.49 | numist | dont tell me Im going to have to bid against you on this stuff :P |
| 07:58.54 | ChipX86 | there's plenty |
| 07:59.04 | ChipX86 | so a pair of those perhaps |
| 07:59.30 | numist | hah my ad filter blocked the item image :P |
| 07:59.34 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 07:59.48 | ChipX86 | it looks good from the pic.. hope it is |
| 07:59.56 | numist | oh theres a working pic... that does look good |
| 08:00.07 | numist | thats pretty cheap too |
| 08:00.13 | ChipX86 | yeah, which worried me |
| 08:00.24 | ChipX86 | but all jewelry I'm finding is dirt cheap |
| 08:00.36 | numist | on ebay sure |
| 08:01.24 | ChipX86 | how heavy is 7g? |
| 08:01.30 | ChipX86 | compared to something |
| 08:01.55 | numist | um.. not very heavy |
| 08:01.59 | numist | 7g.. um... |
| 08:02.19 | numist | google says: 7 grams = 0.246917734 ounces |
| 08:02.24 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:02.27 | ChipX86 | wish it was heavier |
| 08:03.03 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 08:03.08 | ChipX86 | worth it? |
| 08:04.39 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50651&item=4994649666&rd=1 |
| 08:06.21 | ChipX86 | it'd be nic eto have one that's a key and one that's a heart |
| 08:12.35 | numist | you really have gone crazy :) |
| 08:12.49 | ChipX86 | I have? :/ |
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| 08:13.22 | numist | um, where does it say what its made of (besides crystal) |
| 08:13.28 | ChipX86 | dunno |
| 08:13.31 | ChipX86 | I don't think I want that one |
| 08:13.45 | numist | yeah... thinking not |
| 08:13.45 | ChipX86 | let's see what amazon has.. |
| 08:15.10 | ChipX86 | wow, here's one for $720 |
| 08:16.48 | numist | no worries.. I cant throw that kind of money around right now |
| 08:17.24 | ChipX86 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000ETAAU/sr=1-3/qid=1116145032/ref=sr_1_3/002-2717161-8374456?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=3880591&s=jewelry&v=glance |
| 08:26.20 | ChipX86 | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00023K76C/ref=dp_primary-product-display_0/002-2717161-8374456?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=13589471&s=jewelry |
| 08:31.02 | ChipX86 | I kind of miss wearing a pendant |
| 08:53.35 | purple_cow | oon, donut pendant |
| 08:54.55 | purple_cow | yes, oon. not ooh, oon |
| 08:56.13 | ChipX86 | :0 |
| 08:56.15 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:02.41 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:02.56 | purple_cow | welp, since i have to get up in 7 hours for this firefly thingy, i'd better be off to bed |
| 09:03.05 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1776 10libgalago-gtk/libgalago-gtk/ (galago-gtk-contact-chooser.h galago-gtk-contact-list.h): Rearranged some signal stuff in the class structs for consistency. |
| 09:03.05 | numist | hmm |
| 09:03.31 | numist | maybe Ill get a silver chain and put a ring on it... that might work better |
| 09:03.37 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 09:07.26 | *** topic/#tacobeam by purple_cow -> Now featuring water table crackers. The taste of the water table, in your mouth! |
| 09:16.20 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1777 10libgalago-gtk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:16.20 | CIA-3 | galago: - Renamed the "changed" signals to "selection-changed" and stripped the parameters, as they can and should just be returned from calls to the appropriate functions. |
| 09:16.20 | CIA-3 | galago: - Added galago_gtk_service_list_get_item_type(). |
| 09:21.03 | ChipX86 | I hate it when useful gtk functions are made private |
| 09:22.06 | purple_cow | ? |
| 09:22.42 | ChipX86 | GtkFileChooserDialog has a neat little bit of code that traverses the buttons in a GtkDialog and looks for a series of response IDs. It gets these values by calling _gtk_dialog_get_response_for_widget(), which is supposed to be for internal use only |
| 09:22.46 | ChipX86 | I need this functionality |
| 09:22.51 | ChipX86 | I know I can use it, but it feels wrong |
| 09:26.16 | ChipX86 | fortunately, it is in gtkdialog.h |
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| 09:48.27 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1778 10libgalago-gtk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:48.28 | CIA-3 | galago: - Implemented support for emitting the "contact-activated" signal in GalagoGtkContactList. |
| 09:48.28 | CIA-3 | galago: - Double-clicking a contact in the chooser now invokes the equivalent of the "OK" button in the dialog. |
| 09:59.20 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1779 10libgalago-gtk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added the "service-activated" signal. |
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| 10:53.08 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1307 10doc/PyMCK-CX/PyMCK-CX.tex: Ok, short of proofreading, I think this think's done. |
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| 11:48.34 | sbahra | Daddy, daddy cool. |
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| 15:56.18 | zak | lurgy: poke |
| 15:58.07 | zak | is anyone who knows walt's number awake? |
| 15:58.29 | zak | correction. is anyone awake? |
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| 16:31.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8302 10xchat-gnome/contrib/portage/net-irc/xchat-gnome/: no need for this anymore |
| 16:32.28 | nullpuppy | hmm... did anyone find a ep8 who torrent? |
| 16:33.20 | purple_cow | nullpuppy: search mininova :) |
| 16:33.53 | nullpuppy | k |
| 16:33.54 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 16:33.57 | nullpuppy | thanks :) |
| 16:34.38 | nullpuppy | hmm.. wheel in space? |
| 16:34.59 | nullpuppy | oh, nope, thats something else.. there it is :) |
| 16:36.06 | nullpuppy | :( i miss btefnet :( |
| 16:46.20 | nullpuppy | hmm... wheres the site that gives you random logins for sites like nytimes? |
| 16:46.47 | purple_cow | bugmetnot |
| 16:46.52 | purple_cow | err, bugmenot |
| 16:47.15 | nullpuppy | k, thanks |
| 16:48.22 | kergoth | ugh, woke up feeling like shit, with a fever |
| 16:48.23 | kergoth | grr |
| 16:48.37 | purple_cow | :( |
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| 16:54.25 | zak | lurgy: call again! |
| 16:55.23 | laodamas | zak: are you in washington yet? |
| 16:59.18 | zak | yes |
| 16:59.27 | zak | Portland is cool |
| 16:59.43 | laodamas | There are so many fun things to do in that city |
| 17:00.18 | laodamas | Like powell's, the four story bookshop that fills an entire city block |
| 17:00.46 | nullpuppy | zak: where abouts are you? |
| 17:00.47 | zak | sadly, my mom just wanted to push onto seattle |
| 17:00.56 | zak | nullpuppy: everett |
| 17:01.02 | nullpuppy | k, cool |
| 17:01.04 | zak | going to the aquarium today :) |
| 17:01.23 | zak | went to pike's place yesterday...holy crap, gettting out was....awful! |
| 17:01.27 | nullpuppy | yay :) |
| 17:01.36 | nullpuppy | yeah, cool area though eh? :) |
| 17:01.55 | zak | and you WA drivers take "agressive driver" to a new extreme :P |
| 17:02.06 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 17:02.11 | laodamas | nothing like chicago drivers |
| 17:02.18 | nullpuppy | i don't think thats us natives though... :) |
| 17:02.28 | nullpuppy | it didn't use to be so bad |
| 17:02.29 | zak | that's true, but i am more used to chicago drivers...the boy is a natural |
| 17:02.50 | zak | nullpuppy: you have about as much trouble with nonnatives as we do in CO |
| 17:03.06 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 17:03.33 | laodamas | You will need to spend a weekend in Pt.Townsend, maybe even during the Jazz Festival |
| 17:03.48 | zak | anyways, we are off now. if lurgy shows up, tell him to call me, ok? he is out here too |
| 17:04.02 | nullpuppy | coo |
| 17:04.07 | zak | laodamas: where is pt/ townsend? |
| 17:04.09 | nullpuppy | we'll have to do something next weekend |
| 17:04.11 | laodamas | Take the ferry between Port Angeles and Vancouver |
| 17:04.35 | zak | nullpuppy: sounds like fun |
| 17:04.37 | laodamas | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pt+townsend,+washington&hl=en |
| 17:05.29 | nullpuppy | see ya! |
| 17:05.43 | laodamas | hike though Olympic National Park, Visit Mr. Rainier, Hike through the lava tubes at Mt. St. Helens, and so much more |
| 17:05.46 | laodamas | have fun! |
| 17:05.55 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:06.05 | nullpuppy | laodamas: you from wa or something? :) |
| 17:06.05 | zak | oooo...the lava tubes sounds super cool! |
| 17:06.33 | laodamas | nullpuppy: from Portland. Seattle was in my back yard :) |
| 17:06.45 | nullpuppy | ah, cool :) |
| 17:07.03 | nullpuppy | i've only been to portland once or twice, never for very long thoguh |
| 17:09.09 | laodamas | But I like colorado better. Less bugs. Taller rocky things. Less Rain. |
| 17:09.18 | laodamas | Although I do miss being near the ocean. |
| 17:09.41 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 17:09.48 | nullpuppy | yeah, i don't want to be land locked |
| 17:10.10 | nullpuppy | i don't mind the rain either, i kinda like it ;) |
| 17:11.54 | nullpuppy | hmm... is there a sidebar extension for firefox? (like something that'll display bookmarks in a sidebar...) |
| 17:14.00 | zak|exploring | we found dan :) |
| 17:14.54 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 17:16.08 | darth_mall | nullpuppy: isn't there a way to do that without an extension? |
| 17:16.29 | darth_mall | nullpuppy: view->sidebar->bookmarks |
| 17:16.45 | nullpuppy | ooooh |
| 17:16.48 | nullpuppy | i'm just blind |
| 17:16.49 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 17:16.51 | nullpuppy | thanks |
| 17:16.52 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 17:16.54 | darth_mall | np |
| 17:17.11 | darth_mall | I stumbled across it by accident when I hit control-B last week, that's the only reason I knew ^^ |
| 17:17.43 | nullpuppy | hehe :) |
| 17:18.11 | nullpuppy | hmm... now if only there was a way to make a 'bookmark' for that.... ;) |
| 17:21.22 | darth_mall | bookmark for what? |
| 17:22.25 | nullpuppy | for the sidebar... something i could put in the bookmark toolbar thingy... |
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| 17:32.53 | purple_cow | woobwoobwoob |
| 17:33.45 | purple_cow | so far this is off to a rousing start with me and micah :P |
| 17:35.26 | *** topic/#tacobeam by purple_cow -> Today's interesting fact: there is only one underground station which has a name that does not contain any of the letters in "mackerel" |
| 17:55.02 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I'll be by in an hour or 2 |
| 17:55.44 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i think that's how most people are approaching this |
| 17:55.53 | purple_cow | kendra's planning on showing up about 1 now |
| 17:56.09 | purple_cow | i'm not sure what a critical mass is to start |
| 17:56.27 | laodamas | what's going on up there? |
| 17:56.40 | purple_cow | laodamas: firefly marathon |
| 17:56.59 | laodamas | ah |
| 17:57.05 | purple_cow | and we're being all movie-theaterey by taking over the DLC :) |
| 17:58.10 | laodamas | sounds fun |
| 17:58.46 | purple_cow | should be, assuming it's more than just the two of us :) |
| 17:59.04 | darth_mall | purple_cow: did you see that e-mail from liz? |
| 18:00.03 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah |
| 18:00.26 | darth_mall | unless you want to be able to put down the apprenticeship on your resume, I've got no problem with taking the lower pay |
| 18:00.37 | purple_cow | cool |
| 18:00.46 | purple_cow | that way i can also continue avoiding the sexual harassment training ;) |
| 18:00.50 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 18:01.06 | darth_mall | the lower pay is still more than SG was paying me ^^ |
| 18:01.13 | purple_cow | cool |
| 18:18.24 | purple_cow | darth_mall: did you see? check your /usr/portage/net-irc :) |
| 18:19.30 | darth_mall | pretty awesome |
| 18:19.43 | purple_cow | i think that's the first thing of mine that's actually made it into gentoo |
| 18:20.18 | darth_mall | I know it's the first thing I've ever worked on that made it to portage ^^ |
| 18:21.39 | purple_cow | probably some build tool that's expecting an old chost |
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| 18:22.36 | purple_cow | hehe, apparently kendra is planning on bringing bread and maybe mayo |
| 18:22.37 | darth_mall | so it hardcoded i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc? |
| 18:22.46 | purple_cow | mayonnaise sandwiches are my favorite! |
| 18:23.11 | darth_mall | mine too |
| 18:23.20 | darth_mall | I bet she thought that's what micah meant by "sammich-stuff" |
| 18:23.31 | darth_mall | that's what I thought, anyway |
| 18:24.28 | numist | I have to learn to type using the spacebar with my left hand... my right thumb hurts badly, it does |
| 18:25.24 | darth_mall | what a great album |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | :) i'm listening to it atm too |
| 18:25.32 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 18:27.41 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah, but she just mentioned bread and mayo |
| 18:27.46 | purple_cow | no meat or anything :) |
| 18:30.55 | darth_mall | neat, there's a BC's on 28th and Canyon |
| 18:31.03 | purple_cow | BC's? |
| 18:31.12 | darth_mall | BC's Surf & Sport |
| 18:31.15 | darth_mall | it's a skate shop |
| 18:31.19 | purple_cow | ah |
| 18:32.18 | darth_mall | purple_cow: what's Walt's last name? |
| 18:32.23 | purple_cow | schlender |
| 18:33.40 | darth_mall | hey man! look at me rockin' out! I'm on the radio! |
| 18:34.10 | kergoth | :D |
| 18:34.24 | kergoth | everybody everybody everybody living now, everybody dies |
| 18:36.33 | purple_cow | happiness is a warm gun... |
| 18:43.27 | numist | morning chip |
| 18:43.29 | ChipX86 | morning |
| 18:45.19 | file | yay ChipX86 |
| 18:51.07 | wca | afternoon |
| 18:51.17 | ChipX86 | nope, morning |
| 18:51.21 | ChipX86 | standard greeting time |
| 18:51.27 | file | ChipX86 is making me sad |
| 18:52.12 | wca | i doin't believe in mornings according to one's schedule |
| 18:52.42 | ChipX86 | wca fits in so well here |
| 18:54.00 | purple_cow | heh |
| 18:56.46 | wca | yeah, i'm an odd duck, what of it? |
| 18:57.43 | darth_mall | wca: think of it this way: at any given time somewhere in the world, it's morning. Therefore, morning is the universal greeting time (UGT) |
| 18:58.04 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 18:59.11 | darth_mall | bbiab |
| 19:01.08 | wca | indeed ;] |
| 19:12.06 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (ChangeLog relaytool): Allow relaytool to understand more than one --relay parameter |
| 19:13.09 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (ChangeLog relaytool): Enable (via --minimal-list) relaytool to only generate the minimum list of symbols by looking which ones are undefined in .o objects |
| 19:13.49 | ChipX86 | getting sick is so much fun |
| 19:13.57 | file | ChipX86: what are you getting sick with? |
| 19:14.06 | ChipX86 | woke up with a sore throat and headache. It's been going around |
| 19:14.18 | file | eep |
| 19:14.23 | ChipX86 | although I'm wondering if it's because I staed up way too late and overslept |
| 19:14.42 | numist | couldnt have helpec |
| 19:14.47 | numist | s/ec/ed/ |
| 19:14.59 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (README relaytool): Add documentation for --minimal-list and other options |
| 19:15.29 | ChipX86 | ooh, the beginning of Spawn. I must have watched this movie 6 or 7 times, but never saw it from any point earlier than when Spawn is in hell for the first time |
| 19:15.41 | numist | haha |
| 19:16.01 | numist | I always see the beginning, and never the end, its usually on so late I fall asleep |
| 19:16.02 | file | ChipX86: would you like me to knock you unconcious with the server on my floor so you will not feel the sore throat? |
| 19:16.16 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 19:16.25 | file | ...nah |
| 19:16.26 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (relaytool ChangeLog): Use CFLAGS (if available) while compiling the stub file. |
| 19:18.07 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (ChangeLog relaytool): Use a shell function to do the same thing as readlink -f as the latter is not always understood by readlink. |
| 19:19.14 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/apbuild/ (ChangeLog relaytool): Fix a typo in PPC C code |
| 19:26.05 | wca | Spawn is pretty cool |
| 19:29.58 | purple_cow | hehe, micah's gone nuts with google maps :) |
| 19:30.16 | wca | url? |
| 19:30.38 | purple_cow | well, his h4x0rey is all localhost, but maps.google.com is the source of all the fun :) |
| 19:31.27 | wca | it is a great mapping service |
| 19:32.40 | wca | it still doesn't know where the place i'm staying at is though :] |
| 19:33.02 | numist | I wanna see what micahs doing |
| 19:33.42 | wca | which micah, anyway? |
| 19:34.35 | numist | scanline, Ill wager |
| 19:35.40 | numist | look at navi's traffic graphs... looks like he's been up to it since 13:20 : http://navi.cx/monitor/traffic/eth1.html |
| 19:35.44 | numist | :P |
| 19:36.15 | numist | actually.. sorry, read he graph wrong.. earlier |
| 19:36.20 | numist | since 10 |
| 19:37.22 | purple_cow | numist: no, that's just normal traffic ;) |
| 19:37.29 | numist | yikes |
| 19:37.39 | wca | what do negative bytes mean? :p |
| 19:37.42 | purple_cow | well, there are 9 people on the line, and most of them are like us |
| 19:37.48 | numist | wca: - download, + upload |
| 19:37.58 | numist | purple_cow: nice, I want to be over there :P |
| 19:38.03 | wca | what's wrong with the usual style, block and line graphs? |
| 19:38.11 | numist | wca: rrdtool is leeter |
| 19:38.18 | wca | rrdtool does this, too |
| 19:38.24 | numist | wca: but thats no fun |
| 19:38.32 | wca | http://cacti.firepipe.net/c/graph_view.php <- my graphs |
| 19:38.32 | purple_cow | wca: that's just the graph that hotsanic gives us |
| 19:38.49 | wca | ok |
| 19:39.02 | wca | the only reason i see to do it is to allow different scales for in and out |
| 19:39.29 | numist | yeah, sometimes thats a bother, but when youve got a lot to graph, why bother having a million graphs when you can consolidate |
| 19:39.31 | purple_cow | and we didn't really care to mess with hotsanic any more than normal, since it's messy perl ;) |
| 19:39.44 | numist | yay perl :X |
| 19:39.48 | wca | heh |
| 19:40.34 | file | money makes the world go 'round |
| 19:40.50 | wca | naw, gravity does that |
| 19:40.54 | file | darn |
| 19:41.00 | wca | money is a human distraction |
| 19:41.11 | file | distractions are good |
| 19:41.23 | numist | especially money ones |
| 19:41.44 | wca | heh |
| 19:41.46 | file | indeed |
| 19:42.57 | darth_mall | dammit |
| 19:42.59 | darth_mall | I think that |
| 19:43.07 | darth_mall | BC's must've been in crossroads... |
| 19:44.34 | Samy | wca: Have a FreeBSD box with AGP/PCI-X abilities? |
| 19:45.02 | purple_cow | darth_mall: sucky |
| 19:45.10 | purple_cow | darth_mall: there are lots of skate shops on the hill... |
| 19:46.08 | wca | Samy: agp sure, pci-x no |
| 19:46.22 | wca | i have two machines with pci64 slots |
| 19:46.28 | file | I could possibly do PCI-X Samy :) |
| 19:46.28 | wca | but not pci-x |
| 19:47.25 | Samy | file: FreeBSD? |
| 19:47.49 | file | if I installed FreeBSD on my Dell, sure! |
| 19:47.56 | wca | Samy: why? |
| 19:48.18 | Samy | wca: I've dropped advanced PCI-X capabilities output of that old patch and base address output, submitting as is. Capabilities support. Will need quite a bit of upgrades through the years though (well, really, just for today). It's a linear upgrade process though. |
| 19:48.26 | Samy | wca: That OLD OLD pciconf patch. :) |
| 19:48.26 | file | I can't believe I'm installing Realplayer just so I can watch this show |
| 19:48.39 | wca | oh, heh |
| 19:48.48 | Samy | heh, jhb@ already half committed my changes (header changes). |
| 19:48.51 | wca | i remember that one |
| 19:48.52 | Samy | wca: Want to test this? |
| 19:49.00 | wca | depends, what's involved? |
| 19:49.03 | Samy | wca: Not sure, maybe one day a ghost came and wrote some vudu. |
| 19:49.13 | wca | heh |
| 19:49.16 | Samy | wca: sudo pciconf -lvvc |
| 19:49.28 | wca | so you added -c? |
| 19:49.35 | Samy | Well, and -b |
| 19:49.36 | wca | for "capabilities" i guess |
| 19:49.53 | Samy | I'm dropping that for now, until I have time (-b disappeared with the old development server). |
| 19:50.02 | Samy | wca: Yup. |
| 19:50.02 | wca | right |
| 19:50.13 | wca | i'm really amazed you didn't save any checkouts from kerneled ;( |
| 19:50.24 | Samy | wca: I did. |
| 19:50.31 | Samy | wca: Just on my box. :) |
| 19:50.32 | Samy | heh |
| 19:50.36 | Samy | wca: and my box died, have a new box. |
| 19:50.46 | Samy | wca: You know what would be cool... |
| 19:50.49 | wca | yeah my point exactly :P |
| 19:50.51 | Samy | wca: Years from now, drolp finally brings the box up |
| 19:51.03 | Samy | wca: With all the data unscathed. :) |
| 19:51.05 | Samy | heh |
| 19:51.10 | wca | why would that be cool? |
| 19:51.12 | wca | that would be tragic |
| 19:51.21 | Samy | wca: Want the tarball? (yes, tarball) |
| 19:51.31 | Samy | wca: Why? It's amazing to look at old code. :) |
| 19:51.34 | wca | heh |
| 19:51.40 | wca | okay |
| 19:51.41 | Samy | wca: Want the tarball? (yes, tarball) <- pokity? |
| 19:51.46 | Samy | I want to get this the FUCK out of my queue. |
| 19:51.48 | Samy | Ok, great. |
| 19:52.23 | wca | i wrote some code to make pkg_info(1) support package conditionals |
| 19:52.26 | Samy | http://samy.kerneled.org/stuff/pciconf.tar.gz |
| 19:52.28 | wca | and updated it yesterday |
| 19:52.42 | wca | so you can do shit like pkg_info -e "ImageMagick>=6.1.9" |
| 19:52.44 | Samy | hmmm |
| 19:52.45 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ChangeLog: Consolidate ChangeLog entries a bit |
| 19:52.55 | Samy | wca: Check patch-pciconf.c, hahaha, seems like some version of the old code |
| 19:53.10 | Samy | January. |
| 19:53.12 | Samy | mmm |
| 19:53.12 | wca | it's at https://databits.net/svn/repos/firepipe/projects/freebsd/ if you're interested? |
| 19:53.13 | Samy | wca: Anyhow |
| 19:53.23 | Samy | wca: cp pcireg.h /sys/dev/pci/pcireg.h |
| 19:53.25 | Samy | wca: Then "make" |
| 19:53.44 | wca | you tarred up binaries |
| 19:53.45 | wca | bad samy |
| 19:53.54 | Samy | Oh yeah. |
| 19:53.57 | Samy | It's nasty. :) |
| 19:53.57 | Samy | heh |
| 19:54.02 | Samy | I'm tired of this slut. |
| 19:54.22 | Samy | It's been sitting around long enough, if it works fine with you, ket, my sparc64 shell....it's pretty much validated. |
| 19:54.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r8303 10python/google/ (. gmapcache.py gstaticmap.py): Add some super-experimental Google Maps toys |
| 19:54.42 | Samy | and in it goes, jhb is happy...and then after my current stuff, I come back to it with free time to bring pciconf all the way up to pciutils :) |
| 19:54.42 | wca | ./pciconf -lvvc shows my AGP device |
| 19:54.50 | Samy | wca: Can you paste output in private? |
| 19:54.56 | Samy | wca: Specifically, the capabilities output |
| 19:55.09 | wca | does it really require sudo? |
| 19:55.22 | Samy | Yes. |
| 19:55.27 | wca | i also get an ioctl error, so presumably the code has to be in the kernel too |
| 19:55.46 | Samy | Nope, that's the ghost of the passage of time. |
| 19:55.56 | Samy | wca: Can you paste the AGP output, AND the error please? |
| 19:56.21 | Samy | I think it's the PM table code potentially. |
| 19:57.00 | wca | flooded to you |
| 19:57.02 | wca | in pm |
| 19:57.05 | wca | pm? |
| 19:57.08 | wca | what is this stuff useful for? |
| 19:57.12 | wca | how about a programmatic interface? |
| 19:57.44 | Samy | wca: Checking the specific capabilities of a PCI device. |
| 19:57.59 | Samy | wca: Useful when working on code that demands usage of specific features (diagnostic) |
| 19:58.22 | wca | ok |
| 19:58.28 | Samy | Base addressing is useful to know where in memory the device is mapped. |
| 19:58.39 | wca | it would be cool to have an API for this data too |
| 19:58.47 | wca | rather than requiring everything that needs it to use ioctl |
| 19:59.01 | Samy | wca: Well, I agree. |
| 19:59.11 | Samy | wca: but even libpci lacks this type of data (used in NetBSD). |
| 19:59.21 | wca | that sucks |
| 19:59.25 | Samy | wca: /dev/pci is pretty decent though (compared to what is offered in Linux). |
| 19:59.26 | Samy | wca: Indeed. |
| 19:59.33 | Samy | wca: A TODO-worthy item. |
| 19:59.42 | wca | todo's suck too |
| 19:59.50 | Samy | It's not the TODO's. |
| 19:59.56 | Samy | It's the time. |
| 19:59.58 | wca | same difference |
| 20:00.00 | Samy | Hrm. |
| 20:00.10 | Samy | wca: Is that ioctl error immediately after that AGP output? |
| 20:00.19 | wca | it appears that way |
| 20:00.20 | Samy | wca: Can you paste the specific device block that caused that error? |
| 20:00.26 | Samy | mmmk |
| 20:00.33 | wca | the agp device is the only one that is listed |
| 20:00.42 | wca | even though -lv would normally list all of them |
| 20:00.52 | Samy | That's due to the ioctl. |
| 20:00.57 | Samy | So, yup. That's it |
| 20:00.58 | Samy | Thanks |
| 20:01.02 | wca | good point |
| 20:01.15 | wca | agp0 is the first listed in normal operation |
| 20:02.35 | Samy | Yeah, I think the register I am requesting is invalid. After clean-up |
| 20:02.42 | Samy | wca: Want to do a quick hack? |
| 20:02.52 | wca | sure |
| 20:03.26 | wca | i could modify the ioctl block to abort() so I cna see where it's being called... |
| 20:03.56 | Samy | wca: In the agp_cap function, could you define: "int wasteofmytime;" please? |
| 20:04.07 | Samy | Line 332 |
| 20:04.08 | wca | actually it seems to be line 369 |
| 20:04.14 | wca | IREAD(fd, pi); |
| 20:04.20 | Samy | Yup |
| 20:04.42 | Samy | It's after. |
| 20:04.59 | Samy | hmmm |
| 20:05.03 | Samy | Ok, before that hack. |
| 20:05.22 | Samy | Hrm. No, it's after that's causing the problem. |
| 20:05.25 | Samy | wca: Try this please: |
| 20:05.31 | Samy | wasteofmytime=pi->pi_reg; |
| 20:05.42 | Samy | Right at the top of |
| 20:05.45 | Samy | if (verbose > 1) |
| 20:05.53 | Samy | Then |
| 20:05.59 | Samy | Line 389 |
| 20:06.03 | Samy | Replace that with |
| 20:06.11 | Samy | pi->pi_reg = wasteofmytime; |
| 20:06.22 | wca | you mean line 370? |
| 20:06.33 | wca | or 391? |
| 20:06.35 | wca | diffs good ;] |
| 20:07.25 | wca | i don't think that will help |
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| 20:08.49 | sbahra[] | ekh |
| 20:08.51 | wca | oh... |
| 20:08.52 | sbahra[] | wca: Did you get any of that? |
| 20:09.21 | wca | yeah... |
| 20:09.28 | wca | it doesn't help |
| 20:09.35 | sbahra[] | hmmm |
| 20:09.43 | wca | i'm guessing pi->pi_reg gets modified by ioctl() and you need to reset it |
| 20:10.02 | sbahra[] | No, it doesn't. |
| 20:10.11 | wca | that was your theory wasn't it? |
| 20:10.12 | sbahra[] | Just in case I fucked up in maintaing the counter elsewhere. |
| 20:10.16 | kergoth | heh, guys, isnt there a better channel for this than this one? :P |
| 20:10.19 | sbahra[] | This is likely the issue. |
| 20:10.25 | sbahra[] | kergoth: ekh. |
| 20:10.28 | sbahra[] | kergoth: This is #tacobeam |
| 20:10.35 | wca | kergoth: what are you going to talk about that's better? :P |
| 20:10.47 | kergoth | yes, i know what it is. i didnt say it was off topic, i asked if it would be on topic somewhere else |
| 20:10.57 | wca | heh |
| 20:11.01 | sbahra[] | kergoth: Nope. |
| 20:11.07 | kergoth | okay then |
| 20:11.11 | sbahra[] | kergoth: :( |
| 20:11.14 | sbahra[] | kergoth: Want us to take it to private? |
| 20:11.15 | wca | sbahra[]: we could talk about it on #bsdcode if you want |
| 20:11.22 | kergoth | not a big deal |
| 20:11.35 | sbahra[] | kergoth: Blue cucumbers :( |
| 20:11.40 | sbahra[] | wca: haha. |
| 20:11.44 | wca | sbahra[]: seems ket came back just now |
| 20:12.02 | wca | ok, moving then |
| 20:13.42 | sbahra[] | Private it is. |
| 20:13.46 | sbahra[] | Actually. |
| 20:14.00 | sbahra[] | wca: I'm bored now. Thanks though, I've marked the agp_cap function |
| 20:14.11 | sbahra[] | wca: I'll fix this tomorrow I think. |
| 20:14.18 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1780 10libgalago-gtk/NEWS: News, la de da. |
| 20:14.23 | sbahra[] | So, shouldn't be an issue. |
| 20:14.34 | sbahra[] | wca: I'll drop you the complete patch, as well as ket...if you're up for testing it then? |
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| 20:20.30 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: update TODO |
| 20:22.44 | Samy | wca: Would rather get this MAC module in p4. :D |
| 20:23.09 | Samy | Then get to other long-due things. |
| 20:28.08 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1781 10libgalago-gtk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor code cleanups. |
| 20:28.36 | file | only minor? |
| 20:28.40 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 20:28.45 | file | how sad |
| 20:29.06 | Samy | hah |
| 20:30.25 | purple_cow | where the hell *is* everyone?! |
| 20:30.26 | purple_cow | it's just me, micah & kendra sitting here :P |
| 20:30.52 | ChipX86 | is it just me, or is the tux penguin kind of fading away? |
| 20:30.58 | ChipX86 | I don't see it that much anymore |
| 20:31.15 | wca | eh? |
| 20:33.03 | purple_cow | ChipX86: good riddance :P |
| 20:33.52 | Samy | Indeed. |
| 20:34.05 | Samy | Much cuter ones around now :) |
| 20:34.24 | TD | like what? |
| 20:34.25 | TD | i kinda like tux |
| 20:34.31 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 20:35.12 | ChipX86 | I still use my easter egg |
| 20:35.19 | Samy | I was sort of referring to the real tux (TM). |
| 20:35.40 | TD | ah |
| 20:35.44 | TD | yeah not so much. it's a shame. |
| 20:35.53 | TD | every distro goes off and does its own (usually crap) branding |
| 20:36.20 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1782 10libgalago-gtk/libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-service-list.c: Forgot this file. |
| 20:36.22 | purple_cow | i just got *really* sick of seeing tux everywhere |
| 20:37.53 | Samy | purple_cow: and there's a solution for this... :/ |
| 20:37.56 | purple_cow | everyone thinks that they can be cool and hip by just plastering tux (and other penguins) everywhere |
| 20:38.14 | purple_cow | i'm much more appreciative of originality |
| 20:38.15 | ChipX86 | well, it was overused, but now it seems like it's not anywhere |
| 20:38.31 | ChipX86 | I was annoyed by the number of games that had tux everywhere |
| 20:38.36 | purple_cow | yeah, but i'm still angry |
| 20:38.37 | Samy | purple_cow: Just ask me what the solution is... :) |
| 20:38.44 | Samy | Ruining the whole situation :( |
| 20:38.49 | Samy | It'll leave you with a "heh" |
| 20:38.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:38.55 | purple_cow | just spit it out :P |
| 20:39.02 | Samy | http://www.FreeBSD.org |
| 20:39.03 | Samy | :D |
| 20:39.26 | Samy | purple_cow: heh |
| 20:40.51 | ChipX86 | hmm, there was something I needed to fix in this code and I told myself I wouldn't forget. But guess what? :P |
| 20:41.01 | Samy | You forgot. |
| 20:41.11 | numist | hmm.. I did that last night, luckily I threw it in my bugzilla before I went to bed |
| 20:45.25 | ChipX86 | TD: can you see any reason why I should continue to support gtk 2.2 in libgalago-gtk? |
| 20:45.30 | purple_cow | Samy: then i have to look at a stupid demon all the time ;) |
| 20:45.40 | purple_cow | because that's equally as hip to use everywhere |
| 20:45.58 | TD | ChipX86: *shrug* it's your call. the usual reasons apply. if you do, more users can use it. |
| 20:46.05 | ChipX86 | yeah.. |
| 20:46.10 | TD | if you don't, the upgrade cycle is sharper for users, but it's easier for you |
| 20:46.11 | ChipX86 | guess I'll keep it, just getting tired of it |
| 20:46.22 | TD | and to be honest the types who install galago are going to be on bleeding edge systems anyway |
| 20:46.26 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:46.28 | TD | i wouldn't go for 2.6 only just yet though |
| 20:46.34 | ChipX86 | no, I don't plan to |
| 20:46.48 | ChipX86 | I just like the "new" macros that set up all the class registration for you |
| 20:47.05 | TD | hehe |
| 20:47.06 | ChipX86 | although I could stick them in a .h in libgalago-gtk and use them if running < 2.4 |
| 20:47.07 | TD | so copy/paste them in |
| 20:47.11 | TD | yeah :) |
| 20:50.52 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1783 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-contact-chooser-widget.c): Make sure that when we change the "Show offline contacts" checkbox, the contact or person list that is created at a later point will get the right value. |
| 20:52.18 | ChipX86 | I should release new versions |
| 20:56.47 | *** join/#tacobeam orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 20:58.06 | TD | the contact chooser widget looks so cool |
| 20:58.09 | TD | i don't think i said that |
| 20:58.09 | ChipX86 | TD: why do you bother debating with Hallski? |
| 20:58.17 | ChipX86 | TD: yeah :) |
| 20:58.17 | TD | but when i saw it, i was like "wow, yeah" that rules |
| 20:58.17 | ChipX86 | it kicks ass |
| 20:58.22 | ChipX86 | I don't know why it does, but it does |
| 20:58.22 | TD | oh i dunno. it beats revision :) |
| 20:58.26 | TD | seriously, gnome has lost its way pretty badly. |
| 20:58.39 | TD | since havoc got sucked into management there haven't really been any strong personalities to set the vision |
| 20:58.40 | ChipX86 | yeah, that's why I don't target gnome specifically in most of my efforts |
| 20:58.41 | TD | and it shows. badly. |
| 20:58.46 | Samy | Guys |
| 20:58.49 | TD | gnome 2.10 release notes: A BUTTON IS MORE OBVIOUSLY A BUTTON! :) |
| 20:58.51 | Samy | For some meta-open-source directory |
| 20:58.53 | Samy | I have |
| 20:59.04 | Samy | "Company, Development group, Professional, User Group" for a list of open-source resources. |
| 20:59.20 | Samy | These are people resources...note :) |
| 20:59.28 | Samy | That has all bases covered, yes? |
| 20:59.58 | TD | ChipX86: i wonder, i don't think it'll happen but it'd probably be healthy for gnome to fork |
| 20:59.59 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1308 10/trunk/ (9 files in 7 dirs): |
| 20:59.59 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: Updates to flight software to account for the move of the micronet stuff. Also |
| 20:59.59 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: added the ability for the reactor to call a mission shutdown function prior to |
| 20:59.59 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: its termination, and added into the Dummy mission the ability for the flight |
| 21:00.00 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: software to start the transmit relay and set the transmit power automatically |
| 21:00.00 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: for the evaluation demo. |
| 21:00.06 | darth_mall | yep, Wash is my favorite |
| 21:00.36 | TD | ChipX86: and have one or two people focussing on very specific themes with a "want to have fun, join us!" mentality |
| 21:00.44 | TD | ChipX86: hell just merging unmerged patches would be a start |
| 21:00.50 | TD | there are bazillions of them rotting away in bugzilla |
| 21:00.53 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:02.28 | TD | especially as most of the "old guard" have faded away |
| 21:02.48 | TD | hp hardly codes anymore. dave camp is doing hula. alexl is doing who knows what |
| 21:03.01 | TD | jrb, markmc, seth et al are doing new RH projects like yarr and evince |
| 21:05.29 | TD | argh |
| 21:05.34 | TD | ChipX86: for instance, i'd have loved to try anjuta 2.0 |
| 21:05.41 | TD | but it needs a newer version of vte than what i have, apparently |
| 21:05.42 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:05.49 | TD | so i can't try it |
| 21:09.04 | merlin262 | TD: what about miguel de icaza? |
| 21:09.04 | TD | i dunno |
| 21:09.12 | TD | yeah exactly. miguel has gone off and founded mono |
| 21:09.21 | TD | and it's a very succesful project with a vibrant community and lots of interest |
| 21:09.27 | TD | part of that is novell funding it, so it has a lot of momentum |
| 21:09.35 | TD | partly it's because it has a clear goal: clone .NET, and make kickass dev tools |
| 21:09.43 | TD | and partly it's because miguel leads it, he is in charge and he is a strong leader |
| 21:09.47 | TD | who is smart and well respected |
| 21:09.53 | TD | since havoc left, gnome has nobody like that |
| 21:10.06 | TD | and havoc leading was never really a formal thing, people just followed him because he made sense |
| 21:10.36 | merlin262 | hrm, an interesting thesis you have there |
| 21:10.47 | TD | kde has the same malaise. |
| 21:11.05 | TD | always did in a way, even worse than gnome. because the reason gnome was able to move forward with usability and stuff whereas kde never did, is partly because of the personalities involved |
| 21:11.30 | TD | kde had no equivalent to havoc pennington, or seth nickell, or dave camp |
| 21:11.33 | TD | and so they just kind of bumped along the bottom, refining what they had, fixing bugs, making it faster |
| 21:11.39 | TD | and is kde an exciting project? no. not any more. |
| 21:11.49 | TD | maybe in the kde 1/2 days when new stuff like dcop and kparts was being written. but not any more |
| 21:11.51 | ChipX86 | ooh, the new LCD plugin in Media Portal rocks |
| 21:12.34 | wca | heh |
| 21:12.48 | ChipX86 | now to figure out how to get Girder to send page up/down keys |
| 21:15.57 | TD | ChipX86: how far away from galago 1.0 are you? |
| 21:16.11 | file | 6 minutes to build a kernel and modules, not bad |
| 21:17.17 | ChipX86 | TD: not sure. Not that close, but not *too* far |
| 21:17.21 | ChipX86 | there's a number of things I want to do first |
| 21:19.20 | merlin262 | Media Portal? |
| 21:19.27 | ChipX86 | a really cool HTPC app for Windows |
| 21:19.57 | wca | better than mythtv? |
| 21:20.07 | ChipX86 | it works with the hardware I have |
| 21:20.18 | ChipX86 | and it does exactly what I need |
| 21:20.31 | wca | right |
| 21:23.42 | ChipX86 | ah-ha, got it. Page Up/Down == PRIOR/NEXT key enum values |
| 21:24.24 | TD | doh |
| 21:24.26 | TD | forget what i just said |
| 21:24.29 | TD | i didn't have vte-devel installed :( |
| 21:24.33 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 21:35.33 | ChipX86 | I so badly need a logo |
| 21:35.52 | ChipX86 | my last attempt turned into a series of cool smilies |
| 21:36.26 | TD | ChipX86: talk to daj |
| 21:36.28 | TD | daj.deviantart.com |
| 21:36.39 | TD | he is (a) cool, (b) gifted, (c) a free software (inkscape/gimp) user |
| 21:36.45 | TD | he did the autopackage logo and i was really happy with it |
| 21:37.01 | ChipX86 | is he online at all? |
| 21:37.26 | TD | he uses MSN, yeah. except i hardly ever see him, but i think that's timezones |
| 21:37.29 | TD | he's in canada |
| 21:37.33 | TD | i tend to use email, it's easier |
| 21:37.52 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:38.43 | file | ooh Canadian |
| 21:38.57 | ChipX86 | I love google calculator |
| 21:42.25 | TD | why is anjuta looking for the "autogen" package? |
| 21:42.37 | TD | oh, i see |
| 21:43.00 | TD | wow i am being stupid tonight. damn depenency hell |
| 21:43.10 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 21:43.11 | merlin262 | TD: what do you make of havoc saying that RedHat can't include mono? |
| 21:43.12 | TD | these guys need to get on the autopackage cluetrain :) |
| 21:43.27 | TD | merlin262: *shrug* well, red hat are legally very conservative because they're a tempting target |
| 21:43.36 | TD | it's gotta be patents, same reason as why they don't ship NTFS |
| 21:43.45 | TD | but .. you know .. we're screwed by them everywhere anywy |
| 21:43.52 | TD | so i don't find that convicing. it has to be faced sooner or later |
| 21:44.17 | ChipX86 | same |
| 21:44.20 | ChipX86 | mono rocks |
| 21:45.29 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1784 10gnome-presence-applet/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:45.30 | CIA-3 | galago: Redid the glade file and code to get rid of the word "person" everywhere, since |
| 21:45.30 | CIA-3 | galago: we ended up managing individual contacts, and also to remove the "All People" |
| 21:45.30 | CIA-3 | galago: [Contacts] list. We're going to move to the contact chooser shortly. |
| 21:47.02 | ChipX86 | what I need is to get some of this really awesome galago-related stuff going, like the predictive availablity schedule, and intelligent presence setter and such |
| 21:48.12 | ChipX86 | TD: you know, a lot of this really hard stuff we want to evnetually be able to do has been doable for years with raster's work |
| 21:48.23 | TD | yeah |
| 21:48.27 | TD | i was looking at get-e.org today |
| 21:48.28 | ChipX86 | it's a shame |
| 21:48.31 | TD | it looks *really* nice |
| 21:48.37 | TD | well, parts of it do |
| 21:48.40 | ChipX86 | I used to play with evas and stuff a lot |
| 21:48.49 | ChipX86 | the stuff like what they're talking about in #g-h right now was doable years ago |
| 21:48.54 | ChipX86 | yet it's so hard in gtk |
| 21:48.55 | TD | i am unconvinced as to the wisdom of writing a new widget toolkit. it'd probably be better to just hack GTK+ to pieces |
| 21:49.09 | TD | yeah, well, it had different priorities |
| 21:49.14 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:49.26 | TD | i don't think gtk sucks. they just focussed on being mature, language bindings, usability etc |
| 21:49.33 | TD | like i bet the EFL file picker sucks (or doesn't exist) |
| 21:49.36 | ChipX86 | I don't think it does either |
| 21:49.47 | ChipX86 | and it's not EFL that is so cool. It's evas |
| 21:49.51 | ChipX86 | and there used to be a gtkevas widget |
| 21:50.03 | ChipX86 | EFL is built on evas |
| 21:50.47 | ChipX86 | I wonder how stable and usable e17 is right now |
| 21:50.48 | TD | yeah |
| 21:50.55 | ChipX86 | I used to be a *huge* E fan |
| 21:50.59 | TD | ChipX86: look at get-e.org, it seems like it's getting usable fast |
| 21:51.04 | ChipX86 | yeah, I am |
| 21:51.09 | ChipX86 | might try it soon |
| 21:51.18 | ChipX86 | we need a jhbuild ruleset for it |
| 21:51.19 | TD | and i think it needs a compositing X server to work nicely, but it doesn't say anywhere on the site! |
| 21:51.29 | TD | Xgl is looking nice and fast though |
| 21:51.37 | ChipX86 | yeah. I want that to hurry up |
| 21:52.30 | TD | i was talking to the X guys earlier |
| 21:52.38 | TD | seems like they found their way out of the fog and now have a reasonably solid plan |
| 21:52.49 | TD | graphics tech is starting to shape up nicely, especially once gtk is using cairo |
| 21:53.05 | TD | i mean raster will have done it all years ago, but ... doing it with the code people actually use is worth a lot |
| 21:53.25 | TD | http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_previews/gant_blue_shot.png.html |
| 21:53.25 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:53.49 | ChipX86 | pretty |
| 21:54.16 | ChipX86 | ooh C# bindings |
| 21:54.32 | ChipX86 | the animated wallpaper is kinda neat |
| 21:54.38 | TD | yeah |
| 21:54.40 | TD | eats cpu though |
| 21:54.43 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:54.51 | TD | http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_images/screenshot14.png |
| 21:54.59 | TD | i like the winter theme |
| 21:55.33 | ChipX86 | I miss E.. I might try e17 soon |
| 21:56.12 | TD | build the stack into /opt/e17 or something (including Xgl <cackle>) then let me rsync it from you :) |
| 21:56.26 | TD | seriously. jhbuilds and stuff are so old-school. rsyncable binary trees are the way forward |
| 21:56.27 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 21:56.49 | TD | can't find a usable mozilla/firefox install |
| 21:56.53 | TD | even though i have both. hurrah! |
| 21:57.01 | TD | see, source code is such a pita |
| 21:57.32 | TD | http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_images/shot_e17-2005-04-17.png |
| 21:57.35 | TD | that is *very* pretty |
| 21:57.43 | TD | looks like some clearlooks/industrial cross, which goes really well with the theme |
| 21:57.57 | TD | well the nautilus background is ugly |
| 21:58.46 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8304 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/ (Makefile.am notification.c notification.schemas): Yay gconf! |
| 21:58.58 | TD | gah. mozilla is such a mess, packaging-wise |
| 21:59.09 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:02.16 | ChipX86 | man this is a bigger job than I realized |
| 22:02.26 | TD | what is? |
| 22:02.40 | ChipX86 | I kinda forgot the presence applet used people and not contacts. So now I'm moving it all back to contacts, even though people would be nice, but I don't have that ready in the chooser just yet |
| 22:02.53 | ChipX86 | and I have a new app I want to make to replace this for people anyway |
| 22:03.01 | ChipX86 | ah well |
| 22:03.17 | TD | heh. what new app? |
| 22:03.24 | ChipX86 | it's part of Soylent, if that takes off |
| 22:03.27 | ChipX86 | one sec: |
| 22:04.56 | ChipX86 | where is it.. |
| 22:05.45 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 22:05.58 | ChipX86 | this will end up being in more of a list style, so it'll look like a list, even though it's really custom widgets.. that is, list background color and all |
| 22:06.01 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/soylent-list-1.png |
| 22:06.40 | TD | ah, nice |
| 22:06.41 | ChipX86 | of course, that's not showing emblems |
| 22:06.51 | ChipX86 | but from that, you'll also be able to open contact info, blog entries, etc |
| 22:07.05 | TD | so it's a people list :) |
| 22:07.10 | TD | what can you do with the sub-items? |
| 22:07.11 | ChipX86 | exactly |
| 22:07.19 | ChipX86 | eventually, IM them and such |
| 22:08.13 | TD | cool |
| 22:10.08 | ChipX86 | we're going to turn Soylent into a library that basically lets you say, "Get me everything on John Foo." and it'll return vcard info and presence and blog entries and whatever |
| 22:10.14 | ChipX86 | or, that's the plan |
| 22:10.15 | TD | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.18 | ChipX86 | not that I'm doing much on it |
| 22:10.19 | TD | yeah |
| 22:10.20 | TD | heh |
| 22:10.27 | ChipX86 | just steering it in the right direction |
| 22:10.36 | ChipX86 | a Nautilus for People isn't the best idea, imho |
| 22:10.44 | ChipX86 | that can be done, but it's not ground-breakin |
| 22:10.45 | ChipX86 | g |
| 22:11.58 | TD | yeah. it's a bad idea, really. |
| 22:12.02 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:12.05 | TD | generic one-size-fits-all uis aren't great |
| 22:12.08 | TD | learned that one the hard way |
| 22:12.19 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:12.25 | ChipX86 | though the file chooser sure mapped on well to contacts |
| 22:12.40 | ChipX86 | if done in a custom manner and not something like gnome-vfs |
| 22:13.20 | TD | yeah |
| 22:13.25 | TD | i wasn't sure what the path bar was for at first |
| 22:13.39 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:13.40 | ChipX86 | it's for people |
| 22:13.42 | TD | i'm not totally convinced people will find the idea of people being composed of contacts intuitive. but i don't see any better way |
| 22:13.54 | ChipX86 | *shrug* they'll have to get used to it |
| 22:14.08 | ChipX86 | in the future, it'll be able to be used to grab a contact and/or person |
| 22:14.24 | ChipX86 | this is all still very new |
| 22:26.22 | ChipX86 | oh lovely |
| 22:26.33 | ChipX86 | #commits |
| 22:27.05 | purple_cow | someone using Gaim as their project name? :) |
| 22:27.08 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:27.14 | ChipX86 | that'll screw things up |
| 22:27.34 | purple_cow | it's funny :) |
| 22:29.14 | darth_mall | yay |
| 22:30.27 | purple_cow | the gaim irc client and the gaim chaotic image renderer! |
| 22:31.18 | darth_mall | and the gaim pipeline editor |
| 22:32.04 | ChipX86 | meh |
| 22:32.44 | file | oh wow, a 64-bit build of PBlX suddenly appears! |
| 22:34.12 | CIA-3 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ (ChangeLog share/apkg-funclib): * share/apkg-funclib: Add some tracing just before invoking autosu, and don't check for glade as autosu doesn't use glade |
| 22:34.28 | kergoth | yay soad |
| 22:36.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8305 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: |
| 22:36.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: That's a little better. It's indicating status properly, though I should do a little |
| 22:36.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: more checking before setting pixmaps so that it doesn't do anything when the window |
| 22:36.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: is focused. |
| 22:43.56 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1785 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-service-list.c): Unbreak selection changing and double-clicking in the service list. |
| 22:48.56 | ChipX86 | yay for the UI being more simpler |
| 22:49.24 | darth_mall | liar |
| 22:51.12 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1786 10gnome-presence-applet/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fully move the prefs dialog to using the new chooser, and to remove all person-related storage. |
| 22:52.26 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1787 10gnome-presence-applet/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Get rid of the utils.[ch] files. They're not needed anymore. |
| 22:52.50 | ChipX86 | I need more people in #galago. It's so empty :( |
| 22:53.21 | TD | aww |
| 22:53.34 | TD | heh, it's not that empty |
| 22:53.44 | ChipX86 | it's empty like a duck in winter |
| 22:53.48 | TD | that's about how many people there were in #autopackage before 1.0 |
| 22:53.57 | TD | it's amazing how much different a widely publicised 1.0 can make |
| 22:54.00 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 22:54.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:54.03 | TD | there's like triple the number of lurkers now |
| 22:54.04 | ChipX86 | I'm scared of going 1.0 |
| 22:54.12 | ChipX86 | too many people already know what's best for galago |
| 22:54.17 | darth_mall | more talking! |
| 22:54.19 | ChipX86 | which is to remove the daemon and all detailed info of any kind |
| 22:54.22 | TD | don't be. one of the things i regret about autopackage is how long it took to reach 1.0 |
| 22:54.23 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 22:54.24 | TD | lol |
| 22:54.31 | ChipX86 | and to make it dependent on gaim and evolution rather than having data fed to it |
| 22:55.16 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8306 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: |
| 22:55.16 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: GTK_WIDGET_HAS_FOCUS doesn't seem to be working, so we'll just keep |
| 22:55.16 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: a gboolean to track that. |
| 22:58.14 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8307 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/TODO: gconf and persistance done |
| 23:03.39 | ChipX86 | damnit, this wasn't a good idea |
| 23:04.36 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1788 10gnome-presence-applet/src/ (gnome-presence-applet.c gnome-presence-applet.h): Committing what I currently have, although it's broken. |
| 23:06.05 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 07contacts-not-people * r1789 10gnome-presence-applet/: Branching what I've done on this to move from people to contacts before I revert in trunk. |
| 23:12.19 | ChipX86 | I can't figure out the date format for svn update -r |
| 23:12.46 | ChipX86 | oh nm |
| 23:15.24 | CIA-3 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1790 10gnome-presence-applet/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Reverting today's work. |
| 23:17.18 | ChipX86 | holy crap! |
| 23:17.22 | ChipX86 | Dell UltraSharp 20.1" widescreen LCD display w/DVI for $397 shipped |
| 23:17.27 | kergoth | wowie |
| 23:17.39 | ChipX86 | $90 less than their last lowest |
| 23:17.45 | ChipX86 | geeeeeze |
| 23:18.33 | ChipX86 | http://dealnews.com/articles/Dell+UltraSharp+20.1+widescreen+LCD+display+w+DVI+for+397+shipped/86855.html |
| 23:21.09 | ChipX86 | tempting |
| 23:21.46 | file | ChipX86: don't you already have one? |
| 23:22.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:22.17 | ChipX86 | well, a widescreen |
| 23:23.54 | file | I'm tempted to hop down to the store |
| 23:34.52 | darth_mall | http://navi.cx/~evan/best_context_menu_evar.png |
| 23:35.12 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 23:35.42 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 23:44.06 | file | I wonder how much I have to spend to use my debit card |
| 23:44.42 | ChipX86 | WoW time |
| 23:45.18 | kergoth | yay, wow |
| 23:52.23 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03evan * r8308 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: Correctly populating the context menu now. |
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