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`00:05.21`	`*** join/#tacobeam pagefault (Eric@67.71.46.48)`
`00:05.26`	`pagefault`	`hi`
`00:05.28`	`pagefault`	`wee`
`00:10.35`	`*** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`00:21.26`	`CIA-3`	`galago: 03ChipX86 * 10wiki/Main_Page: Use wikisyntax for the front page tables.`
`00:32.00`	`file`	`you're it!`
`00:40.59`	`pagefault`	`no I am not`
`00:41.01`	`pagefault`	`family guy is it`
`00:41.01`	`pagefault`	`at 9`
`00:42.56`	`file`	`or 10, depending on timezone`
`00:48.55`	`pagefault`	`silly time!`
`00:54.30`	`file`	`indeed`
`01:01.29`	`lurgy`	`pff, silly seattle symphony`
`01:01.33`	`lurgy`	`playing silly music while i'm there`
`01:01.35`	`lurgy`	`except..`
`01:01.35`	`lurgy`	`hmm`
`01:01.56`	`pagefault`	`bah commercials`
`01:07.04`	`darth_mall`	`hehe... Office Space`
`01:12.10`	`pagefault`	`ugh fido commercials`
`01:22.55`	`pagefault`	`taco!`
`01:36.40`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03evan * r8229 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/main-window.c: modeline`
`01:36.55`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03evan * r8230 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: The menu stuff is causing crashing. I'm probably just being stupid again.`
`01:39.23`	`file`	`11 packages left to fix... oh goody`
`01:41.47`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`01:51.46`	`lurgy`	`kergoth: have any B52's? :)`
`01:58.45`	`pagefault`	`haha`
`01:58.49`	`pagefault`	`RSOD in longhorn`
`02:01.28`	`KeyserLaptop`	`red?`
`02:01.31`	`KeyserLaptop`	`that's odd`
`02:01.45`	`KeyserLaptop`	`you'd think they'd want the screen-of-death to be relaxing colored`
`02:02.40`	`pagefault`	`yeah two colours now`
`02:02.43`	`pagefault`	`blue for errors`
`02:02.47`	`pagefault`	`and red for really bad ones`
`02:02.55`	`pagefault`	`the question to me is when is an error not really bad`
`02:02.55`	`pagefault`	`heh`
`02:02.59`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hehe`
`02:03.21`	`KeyserLaptop`	`how often exactly do they plan on putting up full-screen error messages? :p`
`02:03.52`	`KeyserLaptop`	`when the pc doesn't crash, you get a green screen of joy`
`02:03.53`	`pagefault`	`no idea`
`02:04.02`	`pagefault`	`I want a sysrq key`
`02:04.04`	`pagefault`	`like in linux`
`02:04.25`	`KeyserLaptop`	`sysrq key?`
`02:04.43`	`pagefault`	`if your system is totally screwed you can usually sometimes get it back to sanity by pressing sysrequest`
`02:04.50`	`pagefault`	`and another key depending on what you want to do`
`02:05.12`	`file`	`down to 10 packages to fix now...`
`02:05.12`	`pagefault`	`yeah`
`02:05.26`	`pagefault`	`http://aplawrence.com/Words2005/2005_04_13.html`
`02:05.26`	`KeyserLaptop`	`does it work when you're in X?`
`02:05.30`	`pagefault`	`there is a list of what it does`
`02:05.36`	`pagefault`	`dunno`
`02:05.40`	`KeyserLaptop`	`cool, thanks`
`02:05.53`	`pagefault`	`your kernel has to have it turned on`
`02:05.55`	`pagefault`	`but most of them do`
`02:05.58`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i just read that`
`02:06.24`	`pagefault`	`but you can usually do a pretty safe shutdown`
`02:06.31`	`pagefault`	`if nothing else works`
`02:08.51`	`KeyserLaptop`	`damn laptop keyboard with not enough keys`
`02:09.06`	`pagefault`	`print screen usually is sysrq`
`02:09.09`	`pagefault`	`if it's not labeled`
`02:09.56`	`file`	`yay building`
`02:09.59`	`KeyserLaptop`	`ah, i don't have it in my kernel`
`02:10.11`	`pagefault`	`ah well`
`02:10.18`	`pagefault`	`you hardly will ever use it`
`02:10.24`	`pagefault`	`but it's good to know it's there`
`02:11.05`	`KeyserLaptop`	`indubitably`
`02:11.23`	`file`	`MySQL won't compile on this box :(`
`02:11.42`	`pagefault`	`which box is that`
`02:11.51`	`file`	`my workstation, I'm building all the packages for our distro at work`
`02:12.00`	`file`	`64-bit goodness :)`
`02:12.04`	`pagefault`	`which distro?`
`02:12.13`	`file`	`building on crux`
`02:12.19`	`file`	`but it uses nptl, and MySQL wants linuxthreads`
`02:12.58`	`pagefault`	`thats the problem with linux`
`02:13.00`	`pagefault`	`no standards :/`
`02:13.09`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i don't think i've had a BSOD in winXP except for hardware errors, now that i think about it`
`02:13.30`	`pagefault`	`i've had bad drivers do it`
`02:13.36`	`file`	`I did something evil to make it work`
`02:13.46`	`file`	`I put /* Linuxthreads */ in pthread.h ;)`
`02:13.55`	`pagefault`	`xp turns off the blue screen by default`
`02:14.02`	`pagefault`	`so it just reboots when it has an error`
`02:14.35`	`pagefault`	`I want a SMP dual core system`
`02:14.55`	`file`	`Brian (coworker) and I was tempted to ask for a dual CPU dual core Opteron ;)`
`02:15.01`	`file`	`but we settled for a dual CPU opteron`
`02:15.09`	`pagefault`	`bah`
`02:15.16`	`pagefault`	`4 is better than 2`
`02:15.21`	`file`	`yeah`
`02:15.35`	`KeyserLaptop`	`dual core opterons are pretty pricey`
`02:15.39`	`pagefault`	`think of how much you could transcode`
`02:15.58`	`file`	`KeyserLaptop: yeah that's why we didn't wanna push our luck`
`02:16.05`	`file`	`David would have seen the price increase and had a heart attack`
`02:16.14`	`file`	`"You want... WHAT?!?"`
`02:16.20`	`pagefault`	`you should have shown him the xeon prices`
`02:18.39`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hehe`
`02:19.43`	`pagefault`	`I think I got too much sun today`
`02:19.51`	`pagefault`	`I feel poopy`
`02:20.02`	`file`	`you're a geek, any sun is hazardous to your health`
`02:21.02`	`pagefault`	`true enough`
`02:23.49`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hehe`
`02:24.04`	`KeyserLaptop`	`on slashdot, they have a "live picture" of xbox 2`
`02:24.24`	`KeyserLaptop`	`which the submitter had shortened from "real live picture", and the editor did not, well, edit`
`02:27.59`	`pagefault`	`hehe`
`02:28.05`	`pagefault`	`hmm I wonder if disney botched CS Lewis's work`
`02:28.07`	`pagefault`	`probably`
`02:28.48`	`KeyserLaptop`	`woah`
`02:29.02`	`KeyserLaptop`	`wireless controllers, with a headphone jack built into them`
`02:29.12`	`pagefault`	`why didn't anyone think of that before`
`02:29.33`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i dunno why they dinna think of a headphone jack in a controller before`
`02:29.46`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i was hesitant to consider a wireless controller by itself`
`02:29.56`	`KeyserLaptop`	`and now with a headphone jack built in, i am amazed`
`02:31.06`	`pagefault`	`my only gripe is that it looks like it has an awful d-pad`
`02:31.41`	`KeyserLaptop`	`this thing seems really cool`
`02:31.54`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i dunno how long it'll be before there's drivers for everything`
`02:32.13`	`pagefault`	`dunno`
`02:32.16`	`KeyserLaptop`	`the first xbox was so pc-like, drivers weren't a problem (AFAIK)`
`02:32.26`	`pagefault`	`they were just USB controllers :)`
`02:32.30`	`pagefault`	`with a different plug`
`02:34.07`	`KeyserLaptop`	`you know, it's not gonna have a bios...`
`02:34.11`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hence no video bios...`
`02:34.17`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hence no way to init the 3d card`
`02:34.28`	`KeyserLaptop`	`that'll slow things down`
`02:34.32`	`pagefault`	`I bet sony saw it was wireless`
`02:34.39`	`pagefault`	`and are like oh crap we gotta redesign this thing`
`02:35.23`	`pagefault`	`http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbox360/xbox360org19iz5ow_b.jpg`
`02:35.57`	`pagefault`	`looks sexy`
`02:36.00`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i read it'll be an ATI gpu, i wonder if it'll be like an off-the-shelf version...`
`02:36.22`	`pagefault`	`supposedly R500`
`02:36.42`	`pagefault`	`but ATI is releasing R520 to the PC market`
`02:36.46`	`pagefault`	`which is a slower version of it`
`02:36.53`	`pagefault`	`I think all R500 productions goes to MS or smth`
`02:36.58`	`pagefault`	`dunno`
`02:36.58`	`KeyserLaptop`	`ah, cool`
`02:37.17`	`pagefault`	`R500 for PC comes out later or the PC gets a newer version of it`
`02:37.44`	`pagefault`	`I wonder how ATI handles working with MS and Nintendo at the same time`
`02:38.45`	`pagefault`	`how are they going to have backwards compatibility without black and white buttons on the controls`
`02:40.18`	`KeyserLaptop`	`weird. the nintendo gamecube used a ibm ppc 440 variant`
`02:40.27`	`pagefault`	`yeah`
`02:40.33`	`pagefault`	`crippled PPC`
`02:40.39`	`KeyserLaptop`	`which is funny cause it's a microcontroller for embedded systems, and maxes out well below 1ghz`
`02:40.56`	`pagefault`	`nintendo went the cheap hardware route`
`02:40.59`	`pagefault`	`for a cheap console`
`02:41.02`	`KeyserLaptop`	`we use a 440ep at work, and it's the first version with a gpu`
`02:41.07`	`KeyserLaptop`	`er, fpu`
`02:41.20`	`pagefault`	`nintendo is going to have a tough time`
`02:41.34`	`pagefault`	`they have no experience with online play`
`02:44.34`	`pagefault`	`I will buy one if it doesn't cost $360 heh`
`02:45.09`	`KeyserLaptop`	`any new news on the cpu?`
`02:45.24`	`pagefault`	`it's a PowerPC or something`
`02:45.34`	`pagefault`	`I am disappointed`
`02:45.36`	`pagefault`	`x86 for life!`
`02:45.49`	`KeyserLaptop`	`oh, the initial thing was confused`
`02:46.02`	`pagefault`	`dual core?`
`02:46.03`	`KeyserLaptop`	`it's "multi-core", meaning 3 on one chip`
`02:46.05`	`pagefault`	`that would be expensive in a console`
`02:46.08`	`KeyserLaptop`	`not 3*dual core`
`02:46.23`	`KeyserLaptop`	`3 cores, one die, and supposedly 3.5ghz`
`02:46.29`	`pagefault`	`sounds expensive`
`02:46.47`	`pagefault`	`it can't be`
`02:46.50`	`pagefault`	`if they plan to sell for like $300`
`02:47.09`	`KeyserLaptop`	`god, the user manual for an ibm ppc 440ep is like 2000 pages.`
`02:47.18`	`KeyserLaptop`	`billions of freaking registers you have to set up`
`02:47.29`	`pagefault`	`set up?`
`02:47.40`	`KeyserLaptop`	`if they didn't release the user manual for the xboxes processor, it'd be impossible to get it working`
`02:47.58`	`KeyserLaptop`	`yeah, like configuring all the busses, and the plls, and all kinds of stuff`
`02:47.58`	`pagefault`	`the xbox is just a 733mhz celeron`
`02:48.02`	`pagefault`	`oh`
`02:48.54`	`pagefault`	`it's odd they are going PPC though`
`02:49.03`	`pagefault`	`I don't think MS has any experience with that`
`02:49.09`	`KeyserLaptop`	`i wonder if they will have a bootloader that will init all the low-level cpu and gpu things, and then pass control to the winnt os?`
`02:49.09`	`pagefault`	`aside from I guess Mac Office`
`02:49.10`	`pagefault`	`heh`
`02:50.00`	`pagefault`	`probably the BIOS will do that`
`02:50.21`	`KeyserLaptop`	`except it won't have a BIOS like a pc, that's an x86 only thing`
`02:50.28`	`pagefault`	`huh`
`02:50.32`	`pagefault`	`all PC's have a BIOS`
`02:50.37`	`KeyserLaptop`	`and i doubt it'll use openfirmware or uboot`
`02:50.38`	`pagefault`	`and most consoles too`
`02:53.25`	`pagefault`	`gotta run some code to start up things`
`02:54.40`	`KeyserLaptop`	`this thing is supposed to not have a hard-disk, right?`
`02:55.03`	`pagefault`	`yeah but you can get one as an addon`
`02:55.09`	`pagefault`	`required for xbox 1 games`
`02:55.22`	`KeyserLaptop`	`that wouldn't help trying to boot off the harddrive, though`
`02:56.25`	`KeyserLaptop`	`well, the harder they make it to hack, the more determined some geek way smarter than me will be to hack it`
`02:57.30`	`pagefault`	`everything gets hacked eventually`
`02:57.37`	`pagefault`	`it's how long is the question`
`02:58.08`	`pagefault`	`I am sure MS being itself would make the xbox 360 as hard as possible`
`02:58.36`	`pagefault`	`I am sure the hard disk will be a standard addon`
`02:58.46`	`pagefault`	`probably required for a bunch of games`
`02:59.13`	`KeyserLaptop`	`hmmm, it's supposed to have firewire, too`
`02:59.19`	`KeyserLaptop`	`and there's a remote control`
`02:59.57`	`pagefault`	`yeah`
`03:00.05`	`pagefault`	`I wonder if thats a DVDR in there.....`
`03:00.26`	`KeyserLaptop`	`allegedly a "live tv" button on the remote`
`03:00.39`	`pagefault`	`yeah`
`03:00.44`	`pagefault`	`it has MS Media Center Edition in there`
`03:00.50`	`pagefault`	`and supposedly will access your home network`
`03:00.52`	`KeyserLaptop`	`so is there a tv tuner?`
`03:01.22`	`pagefault`	`dunno`
`03:01.24`	`pagefault`	`maybe?`
`03:01.55`	`pagefault`	`knowing ATI is behind it, that is very well possible`
`03:02.24`	`KeyserLaptop`	`doh. i always heard their all-in-wonder cards were a poor choice for linux`
`03:02.38`	`pagefault`	`my tv wonder works like a dream in linux`
`03:02.46`	`KeyserLaptop`	`ah, good`
`03:02.47`	`pagefault`	`no idea about AIW but I hear they are supported by GATOS`
`03:06.34`	`purple_cow`	`:)`
`03:09.11`	`kergoth`	`"When i got caught at school with my hand down my pants, I had to keep it down there for a whole week! What a week!"`
`03:09.18`	`kergoth`	`bored`
`03:24.52`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8231 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: no real updates, just timestamp and revision stuff`
`03:30.19`	`*** join/#tacobeam sbahra (~sbahra@212.116.212.156)`
`03:53.22`	`pagefault`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:53.22`	`pagefault`	`fixed*`
`03:53.24`	`pagefault`	`hahahaa`
`03:53.28`	`pagefault`	`from WoW forums`
`03:55.01`	`pagefault`	`bbl`
`04:32.23`	`kergoth`	`pagefault: heh, i could see males getting a bonus to str/stam and women getting a bonus to agi/spi or something`
`04:32.26`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`04:32.34`	`pagefault`	`yeah`
`04:32.38`	`pagefault`	`there is talk of a "nag" debuff`
`04:32.40`	`kergoth`	`that would at least make sense`
`04:32.40`	`pagefault`	`for women`
`04:32.43`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`04:32.58`	`pagefault`	`I said that anything a woman goes near their aggro levels go up`
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`04:46.15`	`laodamas`	`OH MY GOD`
`04:46.20`	`laodamas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:48.28`	`purple_cow`	`laodamas: cool!`
`04:53.57`	`laodamas`	`^^family guy ep402`
`04:56.09`	`pagefault`	`yep`
`04:56.24`	`pagefault`	`woah woah woah woah...`
`04:56.28`	`pagefault`	`this isn't in my batman glass`
`04:59.09`	`laodamas`	`get back in your room fatty`
`05:00.04`	`darth_mall`	`is it on navi?`
`05:00.08`	`pagefault`	`stewie hasn't made any witty remarks yet`
`05:01.24`	`pagefault`	`yeah good idea`
`05:01.25`	`pagefault`	`night`
`05:01.33`	`pagefault`	`sleep time`
`05:01.51`	`pagefault`	`should get a compile going while I sleep`
`05:01.52`	`pagefault`	`there`
`05:01.54`	`pagefault`	`night`
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`05:20.15`	`*** topic/#tacobeam is In actual news, the human race was doomed to extinction today as the robot revolt turned violent`
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`07:13.48`	`ChipX86`	`so, who's awake?`
`07:14.18`	`kergoth`	`oh my god, theres's a bear in my oatmeal!`
`07:14.22`	`ChipX86`	`:)`
`07:14.28`	`ChipX86`	`I made a galago logo! Need opinions`
`07:15.26`	`rioter`	`kergoth haha its fantastic`
`07:15.53`	`ChipX86`	`http://www.galago.info/logo.png`
`07:19.17`	`rioter`	`there is a bear in my oatmeal`
`07:21.41`	`ChipX86`	`none?`
`07:22.04`	`rioter`	`mmm`
`07:22.12`	`rioter`	`looks alright`
`07:23.06`	`ChipX86`	`I don't know what else would represent it well enough`
`07:35.04`	`purple_cow`	`ChipX86: what's wrong with brazil?`
`07:35.15`	`ChipX86`	`:( it's not supposed to be a target`
`07:35.21`	`ChipX86`	`it's supposed to be a locator thingie`
`07:35.33`	`ChipX86`	`and it looked bad pointing it at california`
`07:35.42`	`ChipX86`	`aesthetically`
`07:37.45`	`ChipX86`	`sigh I don't know..`
`10:05.30`	`purple_cow`	`apartment-hunting is so much fun :P`
`10:06.13`	`purple_cow`	`at least i can afford to be picky, the property-owners are hurting pretty bad with the drop in enrollment`
`11:51.26`	`rioter`	`oh, why you moving?`
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`14:48.27`	`gonkulator`	`darn...`
`14:51.56`	`gonkulator`	`and nobody is here`
`14:52.03`	`gonkulator`	`~botsnack`
`14:52.03`	`jbot`	`gonkulator: aw, gee`
`14:56.23`	`Xentac`	`nobody here, huh?`
`14:58.57`	`Xentac`	`sadly, it's time for me to go to work though`
`14:59.14`	`gonkulator`	`heh`
`14:59.19`	`gonkulator`	`Xentac is back!`
`15:00.00`	`Xentac`	`not so much back as just idling all the time`
`15:00.17`	`gonkulator`	`same as me`
`15:00.23`	`Xentac`	`I guess you don't have a lot of internet access now, do you?`
`15:00.33`	`Xentac`	`http://chraeron.org`
`15:00.33`	`gonkulator`	`not so much... no`
`15:00.40`	`Xentac`	`ah well`
`15:00.44`	`Xentac`	`you probably would have liked this`
`15:00.47`	`Xentac`	`anyway, I'm gone now`
`15:00.52`	`gonkulator`	`later`
`15:26.06`	`lurgy`	`http://chraeron.org/Ajjernock`
`15:26.11`	`lurgy`	`:)`
`15:29.25`	`gonkulator`	`blah`
`15:34.40`	`lurgy`	`blah!`
`15:47.48`	`gonkulator`	`wow, done already`
`16:35.42`	`TD`	`hey guys`
`16:37.12`	`Samy`	`Hi TD`
`16:42.26`	`Xentac`	`lurgy: I'm not sure how much I, personally, want to name people and places that already exist, even if they're not being used in the same context in Chraeron`
`16:42.45`	`Xentac`	`lurgy: especially if I'm taking shots at people who do actually exist ;P`
`16:53.00`	`lurgy`	`heh`
`16:56.23`	`lurgy`	`just because i've listened to too much Firesign and read too much Douglas Adams`
`16:56.24`	`lurgy`	`:P`
`16:58.30`	`lurgy`	`not even really as a tool to make fun of those things just as somewhat of an anchor`
`17:06.51`	`lurgy`	`Xentac: okay, try again`
`17:07.38`	`lurgy`	`hmm, i forgot to end that sentence..`
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`17:33.03`	`CIA-3`	`galago-wiki: 03ChipX86 * 10wiki/Main_Page: Add a Related Work section and move Project Soylent into it.`
`17:33.30`	`TD`	`heya ChipX86`
`17:33.33`	`ChipX86`	`hey`
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`17:55.16`	`CIA-3`	`autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ (ChangeLog share/apkg-script-utils): Only do link check on ELF binaries`
`17:55.56`	`Samy`	`elf!`
`18:00.01`	`KeyserLaptop`	`the orlando airport apparently has 802.11 throughout, it never occured to me to check last time i was here`
`18:00.29`	`ChipX86`	`nice`
`18:00.35`	`numist`	`KeyserLaptop: you have to pay for it.. most airports nowadays have wireless support`
`18:00.50`	`ChipX86`	`wish the train did`
`18:00.55`	`ChipX86`	`hmm two hours`
`18:00.58`	`ChipX86`	`I should pack`
`18:01.28`	`numist`	`where you off to?`
`18:02.11`	`ChipX86`	`back to Palo Alto`
`18:02.37`	`numist`	`uhm`
`18:02.40`	`numist`	`where are you now then?`
`18:02.42`	`ChipX86`	`Chico`
`18:03.00`	`ChipX86`	`went here for my grandpa's birthday, my friend Dell's birthday, Mother's Day, and to spend time with my sister and my girlfriend`
`18:03.31`	`CIA-3`	`galago: 03chipx86 * r1765 10galago-daemon/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added support for Get*Count message functions for handlers returning lists.`
`18:06.23`	`numist`	`cool`
`18:06.36`	`numist`	`funny how the last item on the list probably should have been the first ;)`
`18:06.54`	`ChipX86`	`heh`
`18:07.02`	`ChipX86`	`we had a great time :)`
`18:07.07`	`numist`	`good`
`18:07.14`	`ChipX86`	`going to miss her.. but at least she's going to be at my place in 3 weeks`
`18:07.18`	`numist`	`sweet`
`18:07.34`	`numist`	`I think I can find time to get out to visit Carrie in 2 or 3 weeks`
`18:11.22`	`CIA-3`	`galago: 03chipx86 * r1766 10libgalago/ (ChangeLog libgalago/galago-person.c): galago_person_has_accounts() now calls GetAccountsCount if query is set to TRUE and the person is non-native. This should speed up this operation.`
`18:18.53`	`CIA-3`	`g2bridge: 03evan * r66 10/Makefile:`
`18:18.53`	`CIA-3`	`g2bridge: Modify the makefile for Ubuntu. I really need to put together a real`
`18:18.53`	`CIA-3`	`g2bridge: build system for this project`
`18:19.42`	`CIA-3`	`g2bridge: 03evan * r67 10/: hush`
`18:43.26`	`darth_mall`	`it's been a while since I've used irssi ^^`
`18:50.25`	`lurgy`	`yay`
`18:56.31`	`Samy`	`FUCK`
`18:56.33`	`Samy`	`Shit`
`18:56.38`	`Samy`	`Some people need to grow the fuck up.`
`18:56.44`	`Samy`	`This new guy on core is quite the refurbished asshole`
`18:56.57`	`Samy`	`He's like a Stallman-fanatic....`
`18:57.23`	`pagefault`	`ugh crappy allergies`
`18:57.29`	`Samy`	`Tries to be an "open-source hero" by holding the ideals insanely hi`
`18:57.32`	`Samy`	`Sheesh`
`18:58.03`	`pagefault`	`stallman is nuts`
`18:58.57`	`Samy`	`Dumb ass.`
`18:59.01`	`Samy`	`This guy is a DUMB ASS`
`18:59.13`	`pagefault`	`stallmans wants open source bioses`
`18:59.16`	`pagefault`	`err -s`
`18:59.19`	`ChipX86`	`pfft`
`18:59.20`	`ChipX86`	`why?`
`18:59.25`	`ChipX86`	`who really cares about an open source bios?`
`18:59.33`	`pagefault`	`because closed source is automatically bad for everything`
`18:59.35`	`Samy`	`This guy is unbelievably unproductive`
`18:59.36`	`Samy`	`Shit`
`18:59.37`	`ChipX86`	`pfft`
`18:59.47`	`Samy`	`I'm wasting 15 minutes of time trying to get him discuss a damn resolution to e-mail the rest of core...`
`18:59.50`	`pagefault`	`they both have their place`
`18:59.53`	`ChipX86`	`VMware is closed source, and you know what? I haven't seen any serious open source people complain`
`18:59.56`	`Samy`	`One that asked the rest of us to discuss it on our own....`
`18:59.59`	`Samy`	`heh`
`19:00.08`	`pagefault`	`I have no problem with closed source to protect IP`
`19:00.19`	`pagefault`	`you gotta stay competitive somehow`
`19:00.23`	`ChipX86`	`yeah`
`19:00.30`	`Samy`	`Man`
`19:00.39`	`Samy`	`That was the most pathetic discussion I've seen in my life`
`19:00.56`	`pagefault`	`if I spend millions of dollars developing something`
`19:01.02`	`pagefault`	`I expect to see some kind of return on my investment`
`19:01.05`	`pagefault`	`not make it open and free`
`19:01.15`	`ChipX86`	`exactly`
`19:01.40`	`pagefault`	`and nothing is stopping anyone from making a free open alternative`
`19:02.48`	`Samy`	`GARRR`
`19:03.17`	`Samy`	`"I think we should use [critical server whole project is dependant on] Mandrake's paranoid security over any security measures not standard in Mandrake"`
`19:03.19`	`Samy`	`haha`
`19:04.48`	`pagefault`	`people use mandrake?`
`19:05.08`	`Samy`	`Don't ask me.`
`19:05.11`	`Samy`	`This guy is unbelievable.`
`19:05.37`	`pagefault`	`mandrake makes linux look gad`
`19:05.38`	`pagefault`	`err bad`
`19:05.50`	`ChipX86`	`yep`
`19:06.05`	`pagefault`	`I would have to say it's more bloated than windows`
`19:06.26`	`Samy`	`Oh my`
`19:06.28`	`Samy`	`lol`
`19:07.05`	`Samy`	`Now he wants us to discuss the implementation of the new security of the system in public.`
`19:07.09`	`pagefault`	`is it possible to get 3d acceleration in BSD?`
`19:07.09`	`Samy`	`heh`
`19:07.12`	`ChipX86`	`I like ubuntu, and the fact that Jamie has been able to just use it is great`
`19:07.13`	`Samy`	`"WE MUST BE OPEN!!!!"`
`19:07.17`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Sure.`
`19:07.27`	`Samy`	`pagefault: In terms of nVidia, they offer binary drivers for FreeBSD.`
`19:07.34`	`pagefault`	`interesting`
`19:07.55`	`pagefault`	`how much slower is the ELF binary compatibility vs linux`
`19:07.56`	`ChipX86`	`Samy: tell him that, all things being equal, 1 is 2, and as thus, he can go talk to himself`
`19:08.04`	`Samy`	`pagefault: It's native.`
`19:08.29`	`pagefault`	`I was just pondering what it would be like to play WoW under BSD`
`19:08.31`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Every process has it's own system call vector, part of which includes a system call table`
`19:08.52`	`Samy`	`pagefault: In FreeBSD, Linux binary compatibility is implemented at this layer (just as a majority of compatibility things), as a normal process.`
`19:09.31`	`pagefault`	`the thing BSD has going for it is that it is standardized way better than linux is`
`19:09.32`	`Samy`	`pagefault: You have over-head in some system calls which are not so commonly called (setxid, socketcall), but it's really trivial (just trivial wrappers).`
`19:09.44`	`Samy`	`ChipX86: heh`
`19:10.08`	`pagefault`	`I wonder if stallman runs HURD`
`19:10.17`	`ChipX86`	`probably :P`
`19:10.34`	`darth_mall`	`lol`
`19:10.59`	`darth_mall`	`looking for tutorials on writing autogen.sh and the 5th hit was something about building picogui`
`19:11.24`	`pagefault`	`automake is evil`
`19:11.28`	`pagefault`	`I wish more ppl would use SConstruct`
`19:12.03`	`ChipX86`	`so... who wants to write an applet for tracking shipping notifications`
`19:12.17`	`pagefault`	`file does`
`19:13.07`	`ChipX86`	`they want to tax fast food`
`19:13.17`	`ChipX86`	`in Detroit`
`19:13.22`	`Samy`	`Samy This means that if a person was to run a CVS 0-day exploit on us (which is out there), they cannot gain arbitrary exploitation.`
`19:13.22`	`Samy`	`Samy It is for security, google for propolice and non-executable pages/stack.`
`19:13.22`	`Samy`	`XXX yes but Y`
`19:13.25`	`Samy`	`Please.`
`19:13.28`	`Samy`	`Someone slap me`
`19:13.30`	`Samy`	`Hard`
`19:13.32`	`Samy`	`Please`
`19:14.58`	`pagefault`	`NX flag is your friend`
`19:16.58`	`pagefault`	`although I don't see how people are executing in the .data section`
`19:17.15`	`pagefault`	`whenever I try it my program poops`
`19:17.38`	`Samy`	`pagefault: In the .text segment you mean?`
`19:17.45`	`pagefault`	`nah .data`
`19:17.49`	`pagefault`	`code usually is in .text`
`19:17.56`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Yes. Almost the same process.`
`19:18.29`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Consider that we have the ability to WRITE to the stack...not necessarily execute it.`
`19:18.52`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Consider toping the stack so that if we were to jump to a library function with our arguments :)`
`19:19.00`	`pagefault`	`ahh`
`19:19.21`	`pagefault`	`thats nasty`
`19:19.37`	`ChipX86`	`mmmmm.... clam chowder...`
`19:20.44`	`Samy`	`pagefault: What issues are you having exactly with exploiting code from the .data section?`
`19:21.34`	`Samy`	`OH MY`
`19:21.36`	`Samy`	`THIS GUy`
`19:21.36`	`Samy`	`PLEASE`
`19:21.37`	`Samy`	`PLEASe`
`19:21.40`	`Samy`	`STAB ME IN THE FACE!`
`19:21.55`	`pagefault`	`well I just couldn't do it for some reason, mind you I was using assembly`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`Samy We can then discuss this tomorrow.`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`Samy So you have a good idea between those two choices.`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`MSameer i'm not going to read on them`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`MSameer i know what to read and what not to read`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`MSameer if it's not good then why you said that we should use it ?`
`19:21.56`	`Samy`	`Samy heh`
`19:22.00`	`Samy`	`Samy MSameer, how about this...do as you wish.`
`19:22.04`	`Samy`	`Samy :)`
`19:22.06`	`Samy`	`Samy You're in charge of this upgrade.`
`19:22.08`	`Samy`	`MSameer heh`
`19:22.10`	`Samy`	`Samy Do what you see fit.`
`19:22.12`	`Samy`	`Samy This is really not something to argue about...`
`19:22.14`	`Samy`	`MSameer nop, I'm not going to do it`
`19:22.29`	`Samy`	`pagefault: Well, in the data section it's even more trivial than this.`
`19:22.47`	`Samy`	`pagefault: I'm referring to using .text/dl segments to go-around NX flags.`
`19:22.47`	`pagefault`	`I don't know if gcc has this`
`19:22.58`	`pagefault`	`but MSVC has a linker option to set sections of code rwx`
`19:23.07`	`pagefault`	`so I could set the entire .text or .data section to what I want`
`19:23.15`	`Samy`	`Nope, it doesn't. Kind of the point of propolice/stackguard/etc...`
`19:23.17`	`Samy`	`I wish it did :(`
`19:24.02`	`pagefault`	`we had a bad hack in zsnes up until a while to make .text writable`
`19:34.47`	`darth_mall`	`grr... still no grades`
`19:34.51`	`darth_mall`	`damned lazy teachers`
`19:36.51`	`purple_cow`	`at least you have a column :P`
`19:39.05`	`Samy`	`pagefault: mprotect()`
`19:39.24`	`Samy`	`pagefault: As I understand it, Linux supports it (it's available in Solaris/Darwin).`
`19:41.01`	`darth_mall`	`it does`
`19:41.52`	`purple_cow`	`hrm`
`19:42.04`	`purple_cow`	`i suppose i should make coffee before heading up to campus, since the cart is closed :(`
`19:43.04`	`Samy`	`darth_mall: Yay :)`
`19:54.48`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03micah * r8232 10cia/ (LibCIA/Stats/Target.py maintenance.py):`
`19:54.48`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: Tweak the automatic maintenance procedures. This should get it pruning from a`
`19:54.48`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: random queue at 200 targets per hour. I'll need to watch the next maintenance`
`19:54.48`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: cycle closely to see if it needs to tie into the UML I/O limiter.`
`20:01.58`	`purple_cow`	`hah`
`20:02.42`	`purple_cow`	`so not 12 after i send email asking if it's OK for internet to cost more, i discover that qwest.net might suit our needs for $20/mo cheaper than what we currently pay`
`20:10.36`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03micah * r8233 10cia/ (LibCIA/Stats/Target.py maintenance.py): Remove the temporary standalone maintenance script, turn down the speed of the automatica maintenance a bit so we don't cut our I/O limit quite so close`
`20:13.28`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03micah * r8234 10cia/mail/ (dot_procmailrc filter_kde.py): KDE's filter script no longer works properly. Remove it, since it's easier to just give up the special treatment and have them install a real client script.`
`20:18.43`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`20:19.25`	`purple_cow`	`kergoth: i'm loving this new album :)`
`20:19.30`	`purple_cow`	`especially "will"\`
`20:37.37`	`file`	`kergoth: You and your silly bleh`
`20:41.49`	`hardwire`	`bleh`
`20:42.36`	`darth_mall`	`indeed`
`21:06.04`	`lurgy`	`lalala..`
`21:10.50`	`darth_mall`	`showin' up thang?`
`21:11.57`	`lurgy`	`yyyyep`
`21:12.12`	`lurgy`	`to be followed by the driving-to-DIA-thang`
`21:12.32`	`lurgy`	`hehe`
`21:12.53`	`lurgy`	`the comments tim and i got for our last linear systems presentation are hilarious`
`21:12.59`	`lurgy`	`everyone realized by then that they were meaningless`
`21:13.11`	`lurgy`	`"This is no laughing matter. I expect your resignation on my desk by 0900 hours!"`
`21:13.31`	`lurgy`	`"Nice and.. short."`
`21:13.31`	`CIA-3`	`winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mike@navi.cx> * 10/: Fix desktop check in shell32`
`21:13.41`	`lurgy`	`"I like that it was short."`
`21:14.20`	`lurgy`	`"CAN'T READ HARISH'S MIND? VERY CONCISE... I LIKE! Oh yeah.... zeta=1/2... won't forget it"`
`21:14.41`	`lurgy`	`it goes on and on`
`21:20.27`	`darth_mall`	`you're crazy!`
`21:20.34`	`darth_mall`	`when do you come back from groovetown?`
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`21:32.15`	`CIA-3`	`winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mike@navi.cx> * 10/: Another attempt at fixing shell32`
`21:33.05`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03micah * r8235 10cia/doc/budget: Add a $10 CAD donation from SmartServ Hosting. Thanks!`
`21:44.11`	`purple_cow`	`soooo`
`21:44.20`	`purple_cow`	`i vote we take keyser to the teahouse :)`
`21:44.22`	`darth_mall`	`x-g needs a festival plugin ^^`
`21:44.39`	`purple_cow`	`assuming of course that he has time for food`
`22:23.12`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8236 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Group.py: some work towards getting groups to behave, but still a long way to go`
`22:34.13`	`darth_mall`	`roflmao`
`22:34.26`	`darth_mall`	`Let's suppose you just finished writing zardoz, a program to make your head float from vortex to vortex.`
`22:34.38`	`darth_mall`	`that's from the automake online manual`
`22:36.52`	`purple_cow`	`heh`
`23:01.24`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8237 10bzedit/scripts/ (8 files in 2 dirs): give things default names ('Box', etc), add a debug flag that doesn't catch exceptions so we get a full backtrace, don't meshify materials`
`23:02.15`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8238 10bzedit/tests/island_hopping.bzw: shift only takes 3 parameters`
`23:02.32`	`CIA-3`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8239 10bzedit/tests/camelot-flat.bzw: add a flat version of camelot, for testing purposes`
`23:44.53`	`CIA-3`	`g2bridge: 03evan * r68 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Start on a build system. Move the command line parsing stuff.`
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