| 00:03.13 | scanline | I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical |
| 00:03.22 | scanline | I should be allowed to glue my poster, I should be allowed to think |
| 00:03.48 | kergoth | 18:03 < kergoth> @lookup futurama |
| 00:03.48 | kergoth | 18:03 < kbot> kergoth: 94: <Fry> They're great! They're like sex except I'm having them. |
| 00:04.07 | scanline | I saw the worst bands of my generation applied by magic marker to drywall. I should be allowed to shoot my mouth off, I should have a call-in show |
| 00:06.16 | kergoth | 18:06 <kergoth> @deepthought |
| 00:06.17 | kergoth | 18:06 <kbot> 190: I can picture in my mind a world without war, and a world without hate. And I can picture us |
| 00:06.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.22 | kergoth | yay, deep thoughts |
| 00:08.53 | file | yay Tori Amos |
| 00:14.33 | purple_cow | though...hmmm...that's probably unnecessary :) |
| 00:18.10 | pagefault | that fry quote is the best |
| 00:19.39 | scanline | my rio battery looks to be at about 70% :) |
| 00:20.00 | scanline | seems to be consistent with a battery life of 15 hours or so |
| 00:20.27 | scanline | how long do ipods last? |
| 00:21.00 | pagefault | 8 hours? |
| 00:21.06 | pagefault | 8 months |
| 00:21.08 | pagefault | whatever comes first |
| 00:21.19 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:21.59 | scanline | :) |
| 00:22.56 | purple_cow | after which i get to debug dlc problems =P |
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| 00:24.40 | scanline | heh... from the examples in msdn, VB.NET looks like C# with a silly syntax and dumbed-down keywords |
| 00:24.45 | scanline | "MustInherit" for abstract base classes |
| 00:24.48 | scanline | etc |
| 00:24.49 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 00:25.28 | darth_mall | heh |
| 00:25.28 | pagefault | wow |
| 00:25.31 | darth_mall | ~cpr scanline |
| 00:25.33 | jbot | scanline: <smoochu> :-* |
| 00:25.33 | pagefault | swiss chalet does curb side pickup now |
| 00:25.37 | pagefault | they walk it out to your car |
| 00:30.12 | kergoth | supybot is nice. |
| 00:32.10 | file | pagefault: yup |
| 00:32.16 | file | how's that for lazy? |
| 00:33.23 | scanline | darth_mall: is the thermostat engulfed in flames or is it just me? |
| 00:34.51 | pagefault | very lazy |
| 00:46.09 | kergoth | Peter: That was then and this is now. And this is a chair. And that's a lamp. And you have boobies. And I'm gonna find that trophy. |
| 00:47.46 | scanline | :) |
| 00:49.45 | pagefault | ~emulate ChipX86 |
| 00:49.46 | jbot | ACTION hides from gaim users. |
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| 00:50.49 | kergoth | Peter: Can't we tell them that your mother died? |
| 00:50.49 | kergoth | Lois: Peter, I'm not gonna lie about something like that. |
| 00:50.50 | kergoth | Peter: All right, all right, I'll kill your mother. |
| 00:52.42 | scanline | yay david bowie |
| 00:57.40 | scanline | and now... zero 7 |
| 00:57.50 | scanline | ASP.NET is making my eye hurt |
| 00:58.50 | pagefault | wee |
| 00:58.52 | pagefault | spacenews is good |
| 01:03.19 | hardwire | it helps me predict the aurora borialis |
| 01:08.35 | file | why do people buy our LCR/Billing system? |
| 01:08.53 | file | I mean, there's a reason we abandoned using asterisk... do they not clue in it doesn't scale? |
| 01:09.52 | file | hardwire: how are you? |
| 01:10.25 | kergoth | Peter: Hey, anybody got a quarter? |
| 01:10.26 | kergoth | Bill Gates: What's a quarter? |
| 01:13.30 | kergoth | bored. |
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| 01:17.40 | hardwire | file: good |
| 01:18.23 | hardwire | basically sold the coast guard a lot of communication equipment today |
| 01:19.01 | pf[laptop] | brb |
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| 01:19.27 | pf[laptop] | back |
| 01:19.44 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:20.08 | hardwire | I need an amd 133 w/ 4 serial ports and a wall mount enclosure |
| 01:20.17 | hardwire | and a large flash |
| 01:20.20 | hardwire | that can suspend |
| 01:20.24 | hardwire | and use the RTC to wake itself up |
| 01:20.45 | pf[laptop] | voip is ressurecting old hardware |
| 01:20.57 | hardwire | ? |
| 01:21.23 | pf[laptop] | it seems like everyone I talk to is looking for old/cheap hardware to run their stuff on |
| 01:21.37 | file | well yeah, you can run it on tons of stuff |
| 01:21.44 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:21.52 | hardwire | I just need a microcontroller that runs linux :) |
| 01:22.03 | hardwire | because all I can program in is python :) |
| 01:22.19 | pf[laptop] | hehe |
| 01:22.43 | pf[laptop] | where is your workstation file |
| 01:22.53 | hardwire | http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/copyrighted_images/anf-2904.jpg |
| 01:22.58 | hardwire | I don't have a workstation file |
| 01:23.02 | hardwire | file do you have a workstation file? |
| 01:23.14 | pf[laptop] | I meant |
| 01:23.18 | scanline | hah.. never seen a copyrighted_images directory :P |
| 01:23.18 | pf[laptop] | where is your workstation, file |
| 01:23.49 | scanline | bleh |
| 01:23.59 | scanline | asp.net is crazy.. insists on serializing everything |
| 01:25.20 | scanline | hardwire: you can run python without linux... |
| 01:25.40 | hardwire | scanline: I strongly doubt I could. |
| 01:25.44 | hardwire | you probably can. |
| 01:25.52 | scanline | I know there used to be a rather neat project for running python without an OS on bare hardware.. not sure if it's still around |
| 01:25.56 | scanline | well, there's also windows |
| 01:26.05 | scanline | and the 3426 other OSes python runs on |
| 01:26.06 | hardwire | will windows do everything I want |
| 01:26.07 | hardwire | I wonder. |
| 01:26.12 | hardwire | that sounds.. so.. stupid.. |
| 01:26.15 | hardwire | ugh |
| 01:26.34 | hardwire | python w/o a machine sounds lacking |
| 01:26.38 | hardwire | but quick |
| 01:27.03 | scanline | well if you really do need a microcontroller and not an embedded linux machine it should be overkill |
| 01:27.14 | hardwire | naw |
| 01:27.21 | hardwire | I need an NTP server anyways |
| 01:27.44 | scanline | um.. that's creepy |
| 01:27.47 | hardwire | I relaly wanna use a dimmpc |
| 01:27.47 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:27.52 | scanline | purple_cow: is xchat-gnome supposed to have a "hi" tooltip on the user list? |
| 01:27.58 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:28.04 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:30.57 | scanline | probably older |
| 01:31.06 | pf[laptop] | I wonder if MSN is having issues |
| 01:31.28 | ChipX86 | usually does |
| 01:33.03 | darth_mall | it's probably gaim's fault |
| 01:33.06 | darth_mall | ChipX86: fix it! |
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| 01:44.32 | ChipX86 | it's good to know that after we receive our packages from UPS, the UPS tracking numbers then enter into the database. It's useful that way, in case we forgot what we just received, or when it came. |
| 01:44.38 | pf[laptop] | quantum leap was a funny show |
| 01:44.45 | ChipX86 | s/was/is/ |
| 01:45.24 | pf[laptop] | did he ever bump into himself |
| 01:45.39 | ChipX86 | nope, but he was himself once |
| 01:46.01 | pf[laptop] | hrm |
| 01:46.09 | pf[laptop] | I don't understand the facination with sex and the city |
| 01:46.12 | pf[laptop] | it looks like such a stupid show |
| 01:46.51 | pf[laptop] | all I hear the girls talking about is "oh did you see the episode last night" |
| 01:46.56 | pf[laptop] | and they talk about it for hours |
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| 01:48.25 | pf[laptop] | http://data.4channel.org/v/src/1109812144627.jpg |
| 01:48.25 | pf[laptop] | haha |
| 01:48.31 | pf[laptop] | state of the art high resolution graphics |
| 01:49.07 | ChipX86 | I remember that :) |
| 01:49.17 | ChipX86 | back when megaman was a person |
| 01:51.58 | scanline | pf[laptop]: =D |
| 01:57.23 | pf[laptop] | what the heck |
| 01:57.51 | pf[laptop] | oh |
| 01:57.59 | pf[laptop] | stupid screensaver with sound |
| 02:00.01 | hardwire | scanline: these wrap boards have an i2c port on them |
| 02:00.15 | hardwire | how well can use use i2c? |
| 02:02.26 | scanline | ? |
| 02:02.42 | hardwire | youse :) |
| 02:02.45 | hardwire | you use |
| 02:02.57 | scanline | for what? |
| 02:03.04 | hardwire | in general |
| 02:03.23 | hardwire | the intended purpose is to provice addresses to query a NEMA GPS source |
| 02:03.27 | hardwire | as well as output to an LCD |
| 02:03.44 | hardwire | and somewhat control the power to the board via another external controller |
| 02:06.11 | scanline | sounds like a fine use for I2C |
| 02:30.27 | hardwire | yeh |
| 02:30.31 | hardwire | its not kernel supported |
| 02:30.45 | hardwire | but the guy has some pascal for accessing the i2c bus |
| 02:30.45 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:30.50 | hardwire | its got a base address |
| 02:30.59 | hardwire | and thats all that guy needed to care about I guess |
| 02:31.17 | hardwire | but Ineed to put i2c and rs-232 on one cat-5 line |
| 02:31.28 | hardwire | since the AP has ports for two cat-5 connectors.. one is ethernet+power |
| 02:31.44 | hardwire | how far can i2c travel over cat-5 gauge wire? |
| 02:35.31 | hardwire | I am wondering what it would take for you to help me design two boards then |
| 02:35.36 | hardwire | got an email addy? |
| 02:35.48 | hardwire | scanline@scanline.com :) |
| 02:36.23 | hardwire | I woudl have the pcb's fabbed |
| 02:36.34 | hardwire | and soldered by a bunch of crazy aleuts |
| 02:40.01 | scanline | heh |
| 02:40.07 | scanline | i2c isn't great for twisted pair, but it can be done |
| 02:40.13 | scanline | just don't twist data and clock together |
| 02:40.19 | hardwire | 150 feet? |
| 02:40.32 | scanline | I forget what the spec says |
| 02:40.35 | hardwire | 1 pair per conductor |
| 02:40.39 | scanline | you can probably do just about any length if you run it slow enough |
| 02:40.45 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:41.08 | scanline | it's best to pair each with ground, or one with ground and one with +5 |
| 02:42.12 | laodamas | yay for paid(mostly) vacations |
| 02:42.37 | laodamas | followed by a four day road trip |
| 02:44.03 | laodamas | visiting such places as Biosphere II, a titan II missile silo, Outdoorsy places, and the telescope that discovered Pluto |
| 02:44.22 | hardwire | ok |
| 02:44.36 | hardwire | scanline: I am powering all i2c devices off of the same port |
| 02:44.43 | hardwire | how many lines do I need other than+5 and GND |
| 02:45.05 | hardwire | which will also be on the RS-232 conductors in the cat-5 |
| 02:45.13 | laodamas | A fun followup to my New Mexican Trinity site/Los Alamos road trip last year :) |
| 02:45.14 | hardwire | I suppose I could always run serial line |
| 02:52.59 | scanline | "This subroutine executes a query against the database" |
| 02:53.04 | scanline | subroutine? what's a subroutine? :P |
| 02:54.22 | laodamas | a routine that has been repressed by the superRoutines |
| 02:54.28 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 02:55.09 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:55.26 | ChipX86 | mmm yay Jamie call |
| 02:56.15 | scanline | hmm, we have a Fyre 1.0.0 RPM for FC3 |
| 02:57.19 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 02:58.43 | scanline | hardwire: i2c is really meant for board-level integration. maybe you should stick with rs-232 or rs-485 |
| 02:58.53 | hardwire | scanline: can't |
| 02:58.56 | scanline | hardwire: I did an apartment-wide temperature sensor thing with i2c, but even that was quite a stretch |
| 02:59.06 | scanline | why not? |
| 02:59.07 | hardwire | drawing up a diagram.. this is board to board |
| 02:59.15 | scanline | heh |
| 02:59.45 | hardwire | ok |
| 02:59.56 | hardwire | uhm |
| 03:00.01 | hardwire | any other EE's in the room? |
| 03:00.14 | scanline | I'm not an EE :P |
| 03:00.54 | laodamas | Major ECE here |
| 03:01.30 | hardwire | anybody of scanline caliber.. ++interest in hardwires stuff. |
| 03:02.59 | hardwire | damn |
| 03:03.13 | laodamas | scanline could code and schematic any undergraduate in the EE, CS, and ECE depts |
| 03:03.29 | laodamas | s/code/out code |
| 03:04.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.49 | scanline | eep, whitespace |
| 03:04.52 | scanline | but yeah.. wtf... |
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| 03:22.17 | scanline | bleh |
| 03:22.21 | scanline | so much cut&paste coding |
| 03:23.16 | scanline | *every* time they close the database in a finally{} clause, they check whether it's null |
| 03:23.28 | scanline | but in none of these cases is there any way it could ever possibly be null |
| 03:27.32 | scanline | "In the event of failure, the subroutine throws an exception and then exits." |
| 03:27.35 | scanline | such useful comments.... |
| 03:28.13 | purple_cow | guh |
| 03:28.15 | purple_cow | some bastard stepped on my laptop during the movie :( |
| 03:28.17 | purple_cow | good thing one of the major design characteristics is durability |
| 03:29.47 | scanline | :( |
| 03:30.16 | purple_cow | so this guy saunters in 20 minutes after it starts |
| 03:30.24 | purple_cow | and of course, isn't watching where he's stepping |
| 03:30.38 | purple_cow | i've got it leaned up against my bag (on the end of the row, too, so it wasn't really in the way) |
| 03:30.43 | purple_cow | and whoops! kick, step |
| 03:30.53 | purple_cow | *growl* |
| 03:37.02 | purple_cow | grr, this dlc problem is turning out to be crappy too |
| 03:37.05 | hardwire | righting wrongs and making out? |
| 03:37.14 | hardwire | heh |
| 03:37.37 | file | yup. |
| 03:39.23 | ChipX86 | welp, I have several hundreds of dollars of food and stuff stocked up no |
| 03:39.23 | ChipX86 | w |
| 03:40.15 | purple_cow | UFIA? |
| 03:40.20 | purple_cow | hmm, food |
| 03:40.20 | ChipX86 | UFIA? |
| 03:40.32 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 03:41.00 | laodamas | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ufia |
| 03:46.19 | purple_cow | i don't suppose anybody's on campus and cares to hit silver mine? |
| 03:46.57 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:47.00 | scanline | I might be up for that |
| 03:47.11 | purple_cow | are you here? |
| 03:47.12 | cwisty | scanline: didn't plan ahead |
| 03:47.15 | scanline | I'm in the DLC |
| 03:47.19 | scanline | :) |
| 03:47.38 | purple_cow | oh no! my battery icon is yellow! |
| 03:47.45 | purple_cow | hah, 2 hours left :) |
| 03:48.01 | scanline | purple_cow: ok. where should I meet you? |
| 03:48.19 | purple_cow | scanline: i'm coming out to the lobby now |
| 03:48.23 | scanline | ok |
| 03:55.50 | hardwire | scanline: http://www.bogomip.com/~hardwire/work/Diagram1.png |
| 03:55.54 | hardwire | kidna big sorry |
| 03:56.14 | ChipX86 | hurray for sick |
| 03:56.15 | hardwire | I need help making the power and i/o controller and the PoE/RS-232 Breakout boards |
| 03:56.24 | hardwire | or.. if you know of anybody else that can do it quickly |
| 03:56.50 | hardwire | the pay is for $1500 max |
| 03:57.18 | hardwire | the power board is responsible for recieving the shutdown signal over the i2c bus |
| 03:57.32 | hardwire | and powering switching the relay open |
| 03:57.50 | hardwire | and keeping it open until the power is cycled from the PoE injector |
| 03:58.27 | laodamas | hardwire: I could give it a shot if scanline is unavailible |
| 03:58.39 | hardwire | you are a puic'er? |
| 03:58.42 | hardwire | pic'er? |
| 03:58.43 | hardwire | :) |
| 03:59.22 | hardwire | there are other things I want to integrate |
| 03:59.36 | laodamas | hardwire: kind of, but I am familier with other micros and have read through the specs |
| 03:59.49 | hardwire | like being able to measure the voltage from the power controller |
| 04:00.01 | laodamas | I have done a lot more FPGA work though |
| 04:00.12 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:00.49 | file | how goeth it |
| 04:00.51 | laodamas | What kind of power controller is needed? |
| 04:00.57 | hardwire | file: practicing male bar greetings in an IRC channel doesn't work |
| 04:01.05 | hardwire | err |
| 04:01.08 | hardwire | its in the block diagram |
| 04:01.14 | hardwire | the board that opens a relay |
| 04:01.21 | file | hardwire: eh? |
| 04:01.23 | file | eh! |
| 04:01.38 | hardwire | I suppose there will need to be a DC/DC on that board as well |
| 04:01.41 | hardwire | file: nm |
| 04:01.56 | hardwire | sinec I plan to pump apx 24vdc up the PoE line |
| 04:01.58 | hardwire | well |
| 04:02.01 | hardwire | 12vdc for now |
| 04:02.09 | hardwire | if I can stay away from 24 I will |
| 04:02.21 | laodamas | Do you need a swappable DC/DC unit or integrated? |
| 04:02.49 | hardwire | it should just be a standard voltage regulator or small DC/DC IC |
| 04:02.55 | hardwire | w/ supporting circutry |
| 04:03.00 | laodamas | you should probably have a regulator on the 24V stuff |
| 04:03.03 | hardwire | well |
| 04:03.07 | hardwire | lets just say 12V |
| 04:03.41 | hardwire | plug anything higher in and they frie the units |
| 04:03.41 | hardwire | ignoring the label on the back |
| 04:03.41 | hardwire | and we bill them for another one |
| 04:03.42 | hardwire | fine with me |
| 04:05.14 | hardwire | laodamas: I would only need a power breakout board if I could find small cheap rs-232 controllers over ethernet |
| 04:05.16 | hardwire | well |
| 04:05.19 | hardwire | thats not entirely true |
| 04:06.09 | ChipX86 | it is so hard to work when your brain is trying desperately to shut down |
| 04:06.13 | laodamas | Well homade DC/DC boards are a bitch to get working from parts had have a largish BOM (20+ parts) |
| 04:06.27 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:06.32 | hardwire | so just a few VR's? |
| 04:06.37 | laodamas | but multi-amp commercial DC/DC supplies are somewhat spendy |
| 04:06.37 | hardwire | off of 12VDC? |
| 04:06.40 | hardwire | the amps are way low |
| 04:06.46 | hardwire | 700mah |
| 04:07.39 | laodamas | You should givve yourself a 50%-100% amp margin on all of your supplies |
| 04:08.14 | laodamas | VRs are OK if you have decent airflow through your system |
| 04:08.26 | hardwire | yeh.. its called alaska. |
| 04:08.46 | hardwire | the case it will be in will be at a constant 15 degrees |
| 04:08.47 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:09.03 | hardwire | dissapation will happen if you install a small fan in the unit |
| 04:09.05 | hardwire | not much room |
| 04:10.09 | laodamas | I would still go with a small pluggable DC/DC 1.5A module for your 5V bus (for 700ma, right?) |
| 04:10.38 | laodamas | because it is the most likely part to fail |
| 04:10.42 | hardwire | sure |
| 04:10.44 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:10.45 | hardwire | wonderfull |
| 04:11.16 | hardwire | http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=893 |
| 04:11.19 | laodamas | how advanced of powercontrol is needed? |
| 04:11.28 | hardwire | well lemme repeat |
| 04:11.36 | hardwire | it will do two things |
| 04:11.55 | hardwire | 1.) Recieve an i2c command to turn on the relay and hold it there until it loses power |
| 04:12.02 | hardwire | 2.) Report voltave over the PoE line |
| 04:13.16 | laodamas | how critical are these functions? Do they need guarenteed function in undervoltage/spike/undercurrent conditions? |
| 04:13.25 | hardwire | scanlineL laodamas what about just using i2c -> CAN |
| 04:13.41 | hardwire | laodamas: no |
| 04:13.46 | hardwire | it would be nice.. |
| 04:13.51 | hardwire | the dc/dc will do most of that |
| 04:13.57 | hardwire | the board will either be on or off |
| 04:14.02 | hardwire | er |
| 04:14.03 | hardwire | Vr |
| 04:14.05 | hardwire | VR |
| 04:14.10 | hardwire | if it fries.. tough tittuy |
| 04:16.42 | hardwire | http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=771 |
| 04:16.44 | hardwire | nice |
| 04:21.52 | hardwire | http://focus.ti.com/docs/apps/catalog/resources/appnoteabstract.jhtml?abstractName=slaa137a |
| 04:22.01 | hardwire | err |
| 04:22.03 | hardwire | http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?cPath=122_174&products_id=645 |
| 04:22.13 | hardwire | somebody that feels like programming that is more than welcome |
| 04:22.25 | file | you're rambling |
| 04:23.07 | ChipX86 | I am not! |
| 04:23.35 | file | ChipX86: you're right |
| 04:30.29 | laodamas | anyway the TI PT series of DC/DC converters are nice but a bit spendy (~$20). the PT5101 is a 5V 1A supply with a -40C to 85C op temp and is pin swappable with LDOs |
| 04:33.08 | scanline | wow |
| 04:33.18 | file | goodnight all |
| 04:33.24 | hardwire | night file |
| 04:34.30 | scanline | mwahaha |
| 04:34.38 | scanline | jason just pulled a dan-style "Look, a distraction!" on cwisty |
| 04:34.57 | cwisty | he stole my cookie! |
| 04:36.01 | hardwire | laodamas: ok.. I think I know how to handle this at the moment |
| 04:36.17 | hardwire | without much help really. |
| 04:36.32 | hardwire | atleast to get this project working |
| 04:36.47 | hardwire | but I wills till need some PCB design |
| 04:37.22 | laodamas | s/Keyoto/Kyoto |
| 04:43.43 | purple_cow | silly laodamas, the kyoto protocol doesn't matter, we're in america! |
| 04:48.56 | laodamas | silly world, the metric system doesn't matter, we're in america! |
| 04:49.15 | hardwire | laodamas: I will have a spec for you or somebody to look at later |
| 04:49.16 | purple_cow | scanline: care to restart the nfs server or should i h4x0r your screen session? |
| 04:49.17 | hardwire | I hoep |
| 04:49.19 | hardwire | I hope :) |
| 04:49.57 | laodamas | hardwire: k |
| 04:50.10 | hardwire | if the coast guard buys this solution |
| 04:50.20 | hardwire | I made $89,000 in sales |
| 04:50.32 | scanline | purple_cow: just a sec |
| 04:50.34 | hardwire | $20,000 of which goes to actual development of the product |
| 04:50.37 | hardwire | in around a monts time |
| 04:50.39 | hardwire | months |
| 04:50.53 | scanline | ooh wow |
| 04:50.58 | scanline | purple_cow: lotsa exceptions |
| 04:51.11 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:51.22 | scanline | oh |
| 04:51.26 | scanline | that's a python 2.4 feature |
| 04:51.27 | scanline | damit |
| 04:51.29 | scanline | ! |
| 04:53.21 | purple_cow | wow |
| 04:53.26 | purple_cow | the internship fair sucks this year |
| 04:53.50 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7165 10spreadfs/spreadfs.py: Oops, rsplit() is a 2.4-only feature. We can get by with regular split() for now... |
| 04:53.56 | scanline | purple_cow: so that's why the FAM stuff completely didn't work |
| 04:54.05 | scanline | maybe now it will... |
| 04:54.26 | purple_cow | afaict the only CS internships there will be ball & ucar |
| 04:54.39 | scanline | har |
| 04:56.11 | cwisty | you should know better than to actually look for an internship at the internship fair |
| 04:57.07 | purple_cow | obviously |
| 04:58.49 | cwisty | you looking for internship? |
| 05:00.16 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 05:00.31 | cwisty | where would you ideally like to get one? |
| 05:00.45 | cwisty | um ok |
| 05:00.47 | cwisty | what do you want to do |
| 05:01.06 | purple_cow | i'd be doing sgi again but they have a sudden headcount freeze |
| 05:01.43 | cwisty | yeah a lot of that going around |
| 05:01.44 | purple_cow | i enjoy just about anything so long as it isn't silly meaningless grunt work |
| 05:01.52 | cwisty | hehe |
| 05:01.54 | cwisty | well |
| 05:01.58 | cwisty | that narrows it down ;-) |
| 05:02.10 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:03.15 | cwisty | and by this movie purple_cow means . . . |
| 05:03.26 | purple_cow | kumo no mokou, yakusoku no basho |
| 05:03.32 | cwisty | fun |
| 05:05.40 | ChipX86 | Good news, everyone! Several years I tried to log on to AOL, and it just went through. We're online! |
| 05:05.53 | purple_cow | cool |
| 05:06.23 | ChipX86 | I'm quoting him :) |
| 05:06.37 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:07.29 | ChipX86 | this is amusing |
| 05:07.42 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 05:07.48 | purple_cow | so far this movie is just as pretty as the trailer :D |
| 05:08.28 | ChipX86 | "Well, thanks to the Internet, I'm now bored with sex." |
| 05:09.03 | ChipX86 | good to know Donkey Kong is alive and well in the year 3000 |
| 05:09.12 | cwisty | OK question for all . . . . |
| 05:09.25 | cwisty | if you could be Godzilla or King Kong who would you choose and why |
| 05:09.50 | ChipX86 | Godzilla. Less grooming. |
| 05:10.11 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:14.28 | lurgy | King Kong |
| 05:14.35 | purple_cow | lurgy: there's a note thingy here for you |
| 05:14.38 | purple_cow | some phone number |
| 05:14.56 | lurgy | i'd have the paper mache look going then |
| 05:15.28 | lurgy | purple_cow: any idea who? |
| 05:16.31 | purple_cow | "mike silly" |
| 05:16.51 | zak | weeble |
| 05:16.57 | zak | lurgy: did you get your message? |
| 05:17.10 | purple_cow | zak: you were the one who left this on our door? |
| 05:17.12 | zak | oh guess not |
| 05:17.16 | zak | purple_cow: indeed |
| 05:17.26 | purple_cow | zak: why didn't you just leave it on his chair or something? :P |
| 05:17.31 | lurgy | purple_cow: ooh, mike tilley, pianist dude |
| 05:17.33 | lurgy | this is good |
| 05:17.47 | zak | purple_cow: cause he isn't staying at home this week :P |
| 05:17.47 | purple_cow | 303-859-2712 |
| 05:17.53 | purple_cow | ah |
| 05:18.01 | zak | normally i'd just leave it on the machine |
| 05:18.11 | lurgy | thanks zak |
| 05:18.14 | lurgy | and purple_cow |
| 05:18.16 | zak | lurgy: you have lotza messages to delete off the machine :P |
| 05:18.21 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 05:18.25 | purple_cow | what a pretty film |
| 05:18.27 | lurgy | zak: other new ones? |
| 05:18.41 | purple_cow | hard to believe that it's just a handful of guys using photoshop and their friends for voiceovers |
| 05:19.26 | ChipX86 | mwahaha, it looks like Married With Children |
| 05:19.41 | ChipX86 | with Leela being the wife from that show |
| 05:19.59 | lurgy | same voice ;) |
| 05:20.02 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 05:20.06 | ChipX86 | I know, that's what makes it so funny |
| 05:20.59 | lurgy | ^_^ |
| 05:22.15 | kergoth | i loved the quantum leap reference in the family guy episode i just saw |
| 05:22.24 | ChipX86 | yeah :) |
| 05:22.32 | scanline | kergoth: yep :) |
| 05:23.00 | scanline | cwisty: ziggy says you can't leap until the database works |
| 05:23.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:23.10 | cwisty | oh shit! |
| 05:23.15 | purple_cow | heheh |
| 05:23.21 | scanline | :) |
| 05:23.58 | kergoth | shit, i was housecleaning and removed my kernel source trees |
| 05:24.00 | darth_mall | ~cpr lurgy |
| 05:24.02 | jbot | lurgy: <smoochu> :-* |
| 05:24.05 | kergoth | and now i need to rebuild fglrx because i forgot about it |
| 05:24.17 | darth_mall | dammit... need more Quantum Leap |
| 05:24.30 | kergoth | i need to buy the second season dvd |
| 05:24.34 | purple_cow | darth_mall: it's coming :P |
| 05:24.49 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 05:24.51 | kergoth | ubernet's training hub is down still :(( |
| 05:24.51 | lurgy | hehe |
| 05:25.09 | lurgy | yay, i think i get to come back tomorrow |
| 05:25.18 | darth_mall | nifty |
| 05:26.52 | darth_mall | mmmmmm... ravioli |
| 05:27.41 | zak | lurgy: not yeet |
| 05:27.51 | zak | or yet either |
| 05:28.21 | darth_mall | my legs hurt in that way that makes me oh so happy |
| 05:29.00 | lurgy | zak: kk |
| 05:32.09 | darth_mall | lurgy: how's it goin? |
| 05:34.48 | lurgy | busy |
| 05:34.48 | darth_mall | yay ok] |
| 05:34.54 | darth_mall | boooo busy |
| 05:35.41 | lurgy | meow |
| 05:35.47 | darth_mall | arf |
| 05:45.02 | purple_cow | mmmmm, so pretty |
| 05:45.21 | ChipX86 | hey MythBusters is neat |
| 05:46.05 | purple_cow | some might even say...kawaii |
| 05:46.10 | darth_mall | ChipX86: yes, yes it is |
| 05:46.44 | ChipX86 | it's cute? |
| 05:46.52 | purple_cow | sure |
| 05:47.01 | darth_mall | probly not |
| 05:47.10 | ChipX86 | it's pretty? |
| 05:47.15 | purple_cow | ChipX86: yes |
| 05:47.30 | purple_cow | note that i'm referring to what i'm watching, not what you're watching |
| 05:47.35 | ChipX86 | ohhh |
| 05:47.37 | laodamas | oro! nani! kawaii! hai! |
| 05:47.46 | darth_mall | ~fishslap laodamas |
| 05:47.49 | jbot | ACTION slaps laodamas up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:47.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:48.23 | darth_mall | heh... purple_cow's adjectives make much more sense now |
| 05:48.38 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:49.08 | ChipX86 | why must this hate me so |
| 05:49.15 | purple_cow | for those of you that aren't sure if you should grab this, /navi/media/video/trailers/kumo_no_mokou_yakusoku_no_basho.avi |
| 05:49.16 | darth_mall | ChipX86: because I love you too much? |
| 05:58.52 | kergoth | 00:45 -supybot(~supybot@inexpensive.quality.webhosting.at.hostpc.com)- Welcome to #supybot! Have you hugged |
| 05:58.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:58.58 | kergoth | nice autojoin |
| 05:59.00 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:03.04 | zak | hey...anyone know why navi would refuse to let me mount? |
| 06:03.27 | darth_mall | karma? |
| 06:03.32 | zak | :( |
| 06:03.39 | zak | no seriously |
| 06:03.42 | zak | why not |
| 06:03.50 | zak | i checked fstab....hasn't changed |
| 06:03.55 | purple_cow | that's the problem ;) |
| 06:04.03 | purple_cow | you need a creepy new fstab line |
| 06:04.07 | zak | ok..so how does it need to change? |
| 06:04.24 | purple_cow | navi:/ /navi nfs soft,timeo=300,nolock,mountprog=100015,nfsprog=100013 0 0 |
| 06:07.48 | zak | purple_cow: what do those changes do... (as far as i an tell, the only option you have that i had is nolock...and that one i know what it does) |
| 06:08.04 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7166 10chaos/henon-heiles/ (runge-kutta.c runge-kutta.h): don't do a bunch of allocations for every single iteration =/ |
| 06:09.03 | purple_cow | zak: well, soft allows it to timeout if it's not responding and timeo sets the timeout |
| 06:09.07 | purple_cow | the others you don't want to know |
| 06:09.17 | zak | ok. |
| 06:09.56 | scanline | mwahaha |
| 06:11.10 | scanline | oh no! |
| 06:11.24 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7167 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: only do a single trajectory on a plot rather than 50 random ones. allow x & y to be specified on the command line, but dx and dy are still determined based on the energy in the system |
| 06:11.50 | purple_cow | dammit darth_mall, now i'm coughing |
| 06:11.59 | scanline | is that going to still link against histogram imager now that fyre has moved? |
| 06:12.12 | scanline | you could use svn:externals to grab fyre-1.0's source directory :) |
| 06:12.15 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7168 10chaos/henon-heiles/: quiet! |
| 06:12.35 | purple_cow | scanline: it's a separate copy =/ |
| 06:12.40 | scanline | aww |
| 06:12.54 | purple_cow | i should probably use externals, but i don't feel like messing with it now |
| 06:12.54 | scanline | that's why we need a libhistogramimager.so |
| 06:13.00 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 06:13.34 | scanline | oh no, jason and cwisty are talking about cookies in spanish and italian, respectively |
| 06:13.48 | lurgy | ah, the joys of kittylitter |
| 06:13.55 | scanline | lurgy: so you're coming back soon? |
| 06:14.00 | lurgy | scanline: uh oh, jason? another people i don't know? |
| 06:14.03 | cwisty | biscotto |
| 06:14.04 | lurgy | scanline: tomorrow night i think |
| 06:14.10 | scanline | lurgy: senior-project-person sitting next to cwisty and I |
| 06:14.15 | scanline | who needs to get on IRC! |
| 06:14.16 | lurgy | uh oh |
| 06:14.34 | lurgy | ils sont fous! FOUS! |
| 06:15.20 | ChipX86 | insane... |
| 06:15.24 | darth_mall | fous! |
| 06:15.25 | ChipX86 | http://video-games.listings.ebay.com/Other_W0QQfromZR4QQsacatZ187QQsocmdZListingItemList |
| 06:15.33 | ChipX86 | look at what people are selling WoW gold for |
| 06:15.38 | lurgy | ChipX86: yep, that's what fous means |
| 06:15.46 | darth_mall | time for this little sith to hit the hay |
| 06:15.56 | lurgy | sounds painful |
| 06:16.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7169 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: avoid discarding most of the precision when choosing a random IC |
| 06:16.25 | scanline | oh no, precision! can't have that |
| 06:16.32 | lurgy | no sirree |
| 06:16.33 | ChipX86 | I should play WoW :( |
| 06:16.49 | purple_cow | yay, just lookit those iterations go |
| 06:17.18 | purple_cow | but bleh at having to do a few hundred million iterations to get 20k points on my section |
| 06:17.37 | kergoth | damnit, why did i have to play with supybot today |
| 06:17.43 | kergoth | now thats yet another project i feel like fixing things in |
| 06:17.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:17.46 | kergoth | and i just dont have the time for that |
| 06:23.45 | ChipX86 | ungh.. |
| 06:24.26 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7170 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: loop forever, outputting new images every 4000 points. |
| 06:25.36 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7171 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: remove useless ws in output |
| 06:31.27 | purple_cow | huh |
| 06:31.37 | purple_cow | i wonder why the icon for ".h" has a soda can on top of some text |
| 06:31.47 | purple_cow | on top of html looking text, no less |
| 06:31.53 | ChipX86 | drinking soda while coding? |
| 06:32.12 | lurgy | h is for Healthy? |
| 06:34.49 | lurgy | or maybe,.. Horace! |
| 06:34.52 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6371575208&rd=1 |
| 06:34.55 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 06:35.42 | lurgy | maybe i missed the part of the CS classes where they tell you you're supposed to write headers on the caffeine highs and implement stuff when you crash |
| 06:37.44 | purple_cow | aha, whoops |
| 06:38.33 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7172 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: tweak exposure & gamma to be a little more sane. also, fix symmetry, since apparently we *do* need to run separate trajectories for x and -x to get a vertically symmetric image within the chaotic regions |
| 06:41.44 | lurgy | ok, bedtime |
| 06:41.47 | lurgy | good night all |
| 06:47.30 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41999&item=6747363726&rd=1 |
| 06:47.34 | ChipX86 | good price |
| 06:48.19 | ChipX86 | except it requires a card with tv out, which confuses me |
| 06:51.34 | purple_cow | might be using extra pins on the vga port? |
| 06:52.31 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7173 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: do things in terms of number of points plotted rather than number of iterations |
| 06:53.01 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 06:56.24 | purple_cow | scanline: so, i've got a loop with a bunch of _PLOTs, than _finish_plots and _save_image_file. is there anything else i need to do? |
| 06:56.39 | purple_cow | (that whole thing is inside a loop, so i get a progression of images) |
| 06:57.25 | ChipX86 | oohh |
| 06:57.33 | scanline | your start plots and finish plots need to match |
| 06:58.30 | kergoth | my shuttle needs to ship sooner. i'm getting sick of this crappy desktop |
| 06:58.43 | purple_cow | scanline: that'll preserve the histogram contents? |
| 06:58.50 | ChipX86 | yay, ordered a new geforce for Jamie's computer |
| 06:59.47 | scanline | purple_cow: uhhuh |
| 07:00.12 | scanline | purple_cow: beginning/ending plots just transfers data between your histogram plot structure (a cache, basically) and the histogram itself |
| 07:00.13 | purple_cow | cool |
| 07:01.19 | purple_cow | bleh |
| 07:01.25 | purple_cow | -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 11353 Mar 3 00:00 0.243686--0.193574-0.000000-0.413885--1000.png |
| 07:01.25 | purple_cow | -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 12044 Mar 3 00:00 0.243686--0.193574-0.000000-0.413885--2000.png |
| 07:01.25 | purple_cow | -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 12044 Mar 3 00:00 0.243686--0.193574-0.000000-0.413885--3000.png |
| 07:01.25 | purple_cow | -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 12044 Mar 3 00:01 0.243686--0.193574-0.000000-0.413885--4000.png |
| 07:01.31 | purple_cow | that does not look happy :( |
| 07:01.45 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 07:02.50 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7174 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: make _prepare_plots and _finish_plots symmetric. still no love :( |
| 07:04.17 | scanline | so your iteration count and all that is indeed continuing to increase? |
| 07:05.18 | scanline | it looks like you're using histogram imager correctly now... |
| 07:05.31 | scanline | maybe something's blowing up and all your points are at NaN? |
| 07:05.59 | scanline | oh |
| 07:06.08 | scanline | you do need to clip points before passing them to HISTOGRAM_IMAGER_PLOT |
| 07:06.16 | scanline | otherwise you're stomping on random memory |
| 07:07.06 | purple_cow | scanline: well, the system won't get outside the bounds of the image |
| 07:07.21 | purple_cow | just not possible with the math |
| 07:12.22 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7175 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: running the same trajectory over and over is boring. don't reset the point position between runs :P |
| 07:13.17 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:13.57 | purple_cow | hmm, i'm no longer symmetric |
| 07:14.19 | purple_cow | but i *am* getting some great results :) |
| 07:14.20 | scanline | I think that omitting prepare_plots would actually tend to give you an image that gets fainter and fainter |
| 07:14.36 | scanline | since it would merge your HistogramPlot's iteration counter in without resetting it |
| 07:14.53 | scanline | so eventually your histogram woudl end up with a lot fewer iterations in it than you think it has |
| 07:15.01 | scanline | and the exposure calculations would get screwed up |
| 07:15.25 | scanline | s/iterations/plots/ |
| 07:15.35 | ChipX86 | I want to be a graphic designer for Blind Date |
| 07:15.47 | scanline | and you might also get crashiness if you do anything to the histogram that causes it to reallocate that memory |
| 07:15.52 | scanline | since prepare_plots caches some pointers |
| 07:16.28 | purple_cow | scanline: hmm, that's probably why i had images that were getting fainter last time i did this ;) |
| 07:16.32 | scanline | :) |
| 07:17.02 | purple_cow | :) |
| 07:17.08 | scanline | wow.. how old is this histogramimager source? |
| 07:17.11 | purple_cow | ancient |
| 07:17.15 | scanline | looks it |
| 07:17.33 | scanline | you should update.. might be faster, and at the very least you get better color code |
| 07:17.45 | scanline | and the quality metric! |
| 07:18.09 | scanline | though I think it depends on a couple new files now |
| 07:18.22 | scanline | like image-fu.c, for thumbnailing maybe |
| 07:18.27 | scanline | yeah |
| 07:18.50 | scanline | yay for image-fu.c |
| 07:19.35 | scanline | with such great functions as an in-place fast checkerboard compositer |
| 07:19.44 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:20.21 | scanline | and gimp-style auto level adjustment |
| 07:20.42 | scanline | with cheesy and fake but fast and effective pseudo-HSV |
| 07:23.16 | ChipX86 | hrm. I've spent hours looking over this code to see why vmware is crashing on startup with my code.. and there's no way it's this code |
| 07:23.21 | ChipX86 | nice waste of time |
| 07:23.37 | purple_cow | grr, it's not being symmetric :( |
| 07:24.32 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7176 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: well, it's less assymmetric :P |
| 07:27.20 | scanline | hmmm |
| 07:31.23 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7177 10chaos/henon-heiles/henon-heiles-plot.c: set exposure & gamma to fyre's defaults, because why not. also make the filename outputs sexier |
| 07:32.51 | purple_cow | ouch |
| 07:33.00 | purple_cow | i'm getting 1 point per ~13350 iterations |
| 07:34.13 | purple_cow | hurray for super-computationally-expensive systems |
| 07:50.05 | ChipX86 | oh of course, it works as root |
| 07:50.23 | ChipX86 | explains that. |
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| 08:07.46 | purple_cow | so somehow my guru shirt got buried under every other tshirt i own |
| 08:10.58 | ChipX86 | oh crap, that reminds me, I have nothing to wear tomorrow |
| 08:12.21 | purple_cow | ChipX86: you know what that means... |
| 08:13.38 | ChipX86 | working from home tomorrow anyway |
| 08:13.48 | ChipX86 | ugh, a guy wants to send me patches to make notification-daemon use libglade |
| 08:14.06 | purple_cow | ChipX86: uhh, what for? |
| 08:14.20 | ChipX86 | to lay out the text and icon and buttons |
| 08:14.27 | ChipX86 | because apparently a few lines of gtk is too much |
| 08:14.36 | purple_cow | yuck |
| 08:14.55 | purple_cow | that's good, add hundreds of kb of library when you just need a few bytes of code :P |
| 08:15.00 | ChipX86 | yeah. |
| 08:29.43 | purple_cow | wow |
| 08:29.56 | purple_cow | nautilus just thumbnailed about 200 images in a couple seconds |
| 08:30.49 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 08:30.58 | purple_cow | scanline: do you remember how many points the midterm was worth? |
| 08:34.12 | purple_cow | aha, he just posted that |
| 08:34.30 | purple_cow | hah, i got the median score |
| 08:34.44 | purple_cow | that's a little disappointing :P |
| 08:34.54 | cwisty | anyone want some old CU crap? http://www.colorado.edu/propertydistributionservices/auclist.htm |
| 08:35.20 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 08:35.35 | cwisty | lotsa computer shizznit |
| 08:35.47 | cwisty | the world may never know |
| 08:35.59 | purple_cow | hah |
| 08:36.02 | purple_cow | "lot of glass doors" |
| 08:36.05 | purple_cow | useful, that |
| 08:36.39 | purple_cow | hahaha, a solbourne |
| 08:42.05 | purple_cow | wowie |
| 08:42.28 | purple_cow | the eraser head is *so* much easier |
| 08:47.18 | scanline | purple_cow: how many points was it out of? |
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| 08:53.22 | purple_cow | scanline: 150 |
| 08:55.00 | purple_cow | how'd you do? |
| 08:56.54 | scanline | 96 |
| 08:57.02 | purple_cow | :( |
| 08:57.07 | purple_cow | oooh...http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page |
| 08:57.15 | purple_cow | yay mediawiki |
| 08:57.31 | scanline | what was the median score? |
| 08:57.41 | scanline | ooh, mediawiki |
| 08:58.37 | purple_cow | scanline: mean was 113.4, median was 117 and mode was 125, s.d. 23.3 |
| 09:00.02 | scanline | ah. that's not bad |
| 09:06.38 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:07.08 | purple_cow | by tomorrow morning i should have a few hundred beautiful images at 10k point steps :) |
| 09:07.58 | purple_cow | up to 330kpoints |
| 09:08.13 | purple_cow | 4439062548 iterations :P |
| 09:27.50 | purple_cow | "and remember! no more monkery!" |
| 09:30.45 | scanline | nope |
| 09:33.07 | purple_cow | oh sweet |
| 09:33.41 | purple_cow | the system just fell onto a very nifty orbit |
| 09:33.44 | scanline | http://rex.colorado.edu:8081/craterAssessment.aspx |
| 09:33.50 | scanline | is this disgustingly slow for anyone else, or just me? |
| 09:34.18 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/44.png |
| 09:34.45 | scanline | neat |
| 09:34.48 | scanline | are you going to animate that? |
| 09:35.54 | purple_cow | scanline: yeah, pretty slow here |
| 09:35.57 | scanline | k |
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| 09:40.00 | purple_cow | it's something-periodic orbit, but i don't remember what the something is |
| 09:41.15 | scanline | :) |
| 09:41.23 | scanline | tired... |
| 09:41.33 | scanline | there need to be more people here than just jason, cwisty, and I |
| 09:41.43 | cwisty | I second that motion |
| 09:42.48 | scanline | and the battery on my rio is getting pretty low :( |
| 09:44.07 | purple_cow | hrmph |
| 09:44.09 | purple_cow | why am i still awake? |
| 09:50.37 | purple_cow | granted, i *am* having a lot of fun abusing my fpu |
| 09:50.42 | purple_cow | but i really ought to go to class tomorrow |
| 09:57.23 | scanline | vrrroooom |
| 10:54.56 | cwisty | night all! |
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| 15:49.55 | purple_cow | grr @ people being all bathroom-usey |
| 15:51.57 | Cae | heh |
| 15:52.04 | Cae | damn them for having biological needs |
| 15:54.33 | scanline | "First this is not a complaint. I've noticed that for the past few days |
| 15:54.33 | scanline | that CIA has been offline. Any idea what's up? Anything I can do to |
| 15:54.33 | scanline | help?" |
| 15:54.37 | scanline | "few days"? |
| 15:54.49 | scanline | maybe he means.. the past 6 hours or so... |
| 15:55.07 | scanline | what is it with users and exaggerating downtime? |
| 15:56.24 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.24 | scanline | f |
| 15:56.24 | scanline | wtf |
| 15:57.52 | Cae | that's a little....heavy.. |
| 15:57.59 | scanline | I'm still waiting for 'top' to appear |
| 15:58.00 | scanline | bleh |
| 15:58.43 | Cae | machine tormentor :P |
| 15:58.53 | scanline | I have no fucking clue what's wrong with it |
| 15:59.01 | scanline | I just wake up after about 3 hours of sleep and stuff's broken |
| 15:59.13 | scanline | LOOKIT THAT, a HUGE system load! |
| 15:59.13 | Cae | go back to sleep |
| 15:59.17 | Cae | or make coffee |
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| 16:01.02 | purple_cow | grumble |
| 16:01.04 | purple_cow | milk soured :( |
| 16:01.16 | scanline | it does that |
| 16:01.26 | Cae | especially if you leave it out |
| 16:03.31 | darth_mall | hrm... time for shoes and walks, methinks |
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| 16:13.49 | scanline | whew |
| 16:13.54 | scanline | http://flapjack.navi.cx/monitor/system/load-day.gif <-- that sucked |
| 16:13.55 | Cae | heh |
| 16:14.11 | scanline | http://flapjack.navi.cx/monitor/system/swap-day.gif <-- and it looks like that was the cause |
| 16:14.49 | Cae | ick |
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| 16:17.59 | scanline | ok, I think I will get a couple more hours of sleep |
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| 17:03.58 | pagefault | this is awful |
| 17:06.05 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 17:06.27 | pagefault | rock...et...man |
| 17:07.47 | pagefault | http://mediamogul.seas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/365/365-Days-Project-02-24-shatner-william-rocket-man-1978.mp3 |
| 17:08.38 | purple_cow | anyone a crazy mencoder fool? |
| 17:14.07 | hardwire | blah |
| 17:17.42 | purple_cow | aha, there's an example in the man page |
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| 17:27.36 | purple_cow | yay, new dbus in portage |
| 17:32.47 | CIA-3 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/initc.c: ARGH Why can't anyone write linear code, you don't put a return statement in the middle of a function, BAD BAD BAD |
| 17:36.58 | CIA-3 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/Makefile.in: Add debug.c to makefile in linux, not ready for primetime in other ports |
| 17:37.45 | kergoth`bbl | "I have a question. Or really, some ridicule cunningly disguised as a question." What a great beginning to an article. |
| 17:39.51 | purple_cow | :) |
| 17:40.31 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7178 10motion/scripts/amc_import.py: frobnicate some code |
| 17:42.32 | darth_mall | bleh |
| 17:42.36 | darth_mall | that test could have been a lot better |
| 17:43.04 | kergoth`bbl | " And today, it's all about CSS. They gave up on trying to get people to use HTML the ``right'' way, and they invented this new meta-language for describing presentation. Perhaps it was an attempt at misdirection: ``hey, over here! Shiny! Use this instead of abusing <TABLE>! Free beer!''" |
| 17:44.45 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 17:46.12 | slimspace | ~lart Anderson |
| 17:46.17 | slimspace | :) |
| 17:46.28 | darth_mall | probably shouldn't though |
| 17:46.51 | darth_mall | yes you do |
| 17:46.54 | darth_mall | you love num comp |
| 17:46.57 | darth_mall | everyone loves num comp |
| 17:47.01 | darth_mall | especially kergoth |
| 17:47.04 | slimspace | bleh |
| 17:47.04 | darth_mall | but especially you |
| 17:52.08 | purple_cow | ugh, the lab is about 95 degrees? |
| 17:52.23 | purple_cow | s/\?// |
| 17:54.28 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter 07fyre-1.0 * r7179 10/contrib/fyre.spec: add an RPM spec, courtesy of Mirco Mueller |
| 17:57.03 | purple_cow | that's not as much fun as cooked |
| 17:57.17 | darth_mall | well, I figured you could always cook them if you'd prefer them that way |
| 17:58.28 | purple_cow | good plan |
| 17:59.33 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7180 10fyre/web/news.content: add links to the new rpms |
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| 18:03.44 | purple_cow | heh, now the only major package that freshmeat can link to that we don't have is osx :) |
| 18:03.52 | purple_cow | laodamas|away: get to work! |
| 18:05.37 | slimspace | hmm...to go to num comp or not to go... |
| 18:07.31 | darth_mall | slimspace: you should go |
| 18:07.55 | pagefault_ | silly me |
| 18:08.02 | darth_mall | slimspace: and you should keep raising your hands and asking questions about the morality of moving to a 3rd world country so you can marry your cousin |
| 18:08.07 | pagefault_ | I pulled out the DSL |
| 18:08.09 | darth_mall | hypothetically, of course |
| 18:08.11 | pagefault_ | when I was cleaning |
| 18:08.29 | slimspace | darth_mall: hehe |
| 18:08.44 | slimspace | no, I should keep asking questions about how that relates to string theory |
| 18:09.09 | darth_mall | or you could keep asking about how it relates to the price of tea in China |
| 18:09.28 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1019 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): miscellaneous updates I've been forgetting to commit for the longest time...oh, and updates to the quaternion code. |
| 18:09.34 | slimspace | darth_mall: hehe |
| 18:09.41 | darth_mall | hmm... someone just walked in with an iced coffee drink, and now I'm craving one |
| 18:10.01 | Samy | Steal their coffee drink. |
| 18:10.11 | slimspace | it would seem we already have code for the ADCS hardware...I didn't think we did. |
| 18:10.38 | slimspace | I must have implemented it a while ago and just forgot. |
| 18:10.52 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:10.54 | darth_mall | silly slimspace |
| 18:11.05 | slimspace | silly indeed... |
| 18:12.06 | slimspace | seems all the hardware is there and ready for using. |
| 18:12.17 | slimspace | deps aren't in though, that much I'm certain of |
| 18:15.28 | slimspace | hmm, maybe I can make a new observable state that works on ranges of real numbers... |
| 18:19.28 | darth_mall | slimspace: you could buy me some cake |
| 18:20.42 | kergoth | hmm, http://lwn.net/Articles/125908/ |
| 18:23.13 | darth_mall | oooh... 3rd |
| 18:23.23 | darth_mall | it's better than 1st -and- 2nd! |
| 18:23.26 | kergoth | indeed! |
| 18:23.35 | darth_mall | or worse... in a race or something |
| 18:29.13 | kergoth | 13:28 <kergoth> futurama |
| 18:29.13 | kergoth | 13:28 <kbot> <Fry> People said I was dumb but I proved them! |
| 18:30.19 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 18:31.30 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:31.55 | darth_mall | <farnsworth>And Fry, you've got that brain thing</farnsworth> <fry>I already did!</fry> |
| 18:32.01 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:36.38 | pagefault | hmm |
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| 18:37.17 | pagefault | blah |
| 18:42.33 | darth_mall | man, this old guy in this class really creeps me out |
| 18:42.56 | pagefault | woah |
| 18:43.02 | pagefault | my linux system is so screwed up now |
| 18:43.11 | darth_mall | he sits in the front row and he keeps turning around and looking at everyone in the class behind him |
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| 18:51.16 | cwisty | darth_mall: what does he look like? (the old creepy guy) |
| 18:53.51 | darth_mall | probly 5'9" or 5'10", big glasses, usually wears this really old, blue broncos cap |
| 18:54.09 | cwisty | grey hair? |
| 18:54.12 | darth_mall | a bit |
| 18:54.32 | cwisty | does he say really random strange stuff? |
| 18:54.33 | darth_mall | still more color then grey, I think, but it's hard to tell with the hat on |
| 18:54.56 | darth_mall | I dunno about random, but he does ask a lot of questions that I would consider a bit silly |
| 18:55.03 | cwisty | sounds like the weird creepy guy who shows up to ACM meetings |
| 18:55.06 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:58.17 | kergoth | http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/22/1937239 is interesting. |
| 18:58.59 | darth_mall | what's an IT manager? I want that kind of money =D |
| 18:59.03 | cwisty | he used to say random stuff like "I'm going to go down to the lab now to download some LSD" |
| 18:59.23 | cwisty | I"m gonna be an IT manager |
| 18:59.42 | kergoth | heh, i found it pretty interestnig to see where my pay fits into the averages |
| 18:59.43 | kergoth | however |
| 18:59.55 | kergoth | it doesnt say whether its averages were properly weighted by cost of living for region |
| 19:00.06 | darth_mall | kergoth: you need a job in boulder |
| 19:00.12 | darth_mall | that way it's easier to harass you ;) |
| 19:02.47 | darth_mall | yay for getting done early |
| 19:02.49 | darth_mall | maybe... |
| 19:02.59 | darth_mall | aw crap |
| 19:04.47 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yes? |
| 19:06.00 | purple_cow | time up! |
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| 19:29.27 | kergoth | @familyguy |
| 19:29.27 | kbot | kergoth: <Lois> I care about the size of your penis as much as you care about the size of my breasts. <Peter> Oh my God! (runs off crying) |
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| 19:48.24 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 19:48.29 | darth_mall | yay kergoth |
| 20:09.04 | darth_mall | blargh |
| 20:09.19 | kergoth | @futurama |
| 20:09.19 | kbot | kergoth: <Bender> Boy, who knew a cooler could also make a handy wang coffin? |
| 20:11.51 | darth_mall | hehehe |
| 20:13.11 | purple_cow | darth_mall: so, why the prodding? |
| 20:17.49 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I was curious what version of evo you're running |
| 20:18.08 | darth_mall | abacaxi wants to upgrade evo, but the last time I let it go to that version it crapped out |
| 20:18.49 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03evan * r1020 10mck/PyMCK/ADCS/Coordinates.py: |
| 20:18.50 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: This is where our coordinate stuff goes. Without the conversions |
| 20:18.50 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: it's pretty silly, but that stuff is coming... |
| 20:19.49 | purple_cow | i keep bhaskara at 2.0 |
| 20:19.58 | purple_cow | it's too critical to what i do to run an unstable version |
| 20:20.38 | darth_mall | so 2.0.4 should be ok |
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| 20:28.50 | purple_cow | hah, cool |
| 20:28.52 | purple_cow | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/71a4/ |
| 20:29.14 | file | my calculus/compsci teacher has me interested in fractals now... |
| 20:31.00 | file | hardwire: Hitachi phone is currently in Quebec |
| 20:31.06 | file | lurgy: oh no, fight it! |
| 20:32.07 | purple_cow | hmm....a twisp & catsby tshirt |
| 20:32.10 | purple_cow | that's mighty tempting |
| 20:32.29 | lurgy | yay mighty |
| 20:33.19 | darth_mall | yay lurgy! |
| 20:33.51 | hardwire | file: not quebec! |
| 20:34.16 | file | hardwire: yes, quebec! |
| 20:34.40 | hardwire | NOOO! |
| 20:34.46 | hardwire | about using VC for LD |
| 20:34.48 | hardwire | for the call center |
| 20:34.57 | hardwire | we are going to try to shove 4 t1s into a DSL |
| 20:35.07 | lurgy | file: not puerto rico! |
| 20:35.19 | hardwire | I think I will just have them a single t1 for data and use it |
| 20:35.26 | pagefault | weee |
| 20:35.34 | file | hardwire: shove 4 t1s into a DSL? explain. |
| 20:35.45 | hardwire | 4 t1's of voice |
| 20:35.47 | hardwire | g.729a |
| 20:35.47 | darth_mall | hrm... lots of updates on abacaxi... |
| 20:35.51 | darth_mall | hope it doesn't break anything... |
| 20:36.01 | file | ah good, G729 |
| 20:36.03 | hardwire | one 2.0ghz machine per 2 t1 lines |
| 20:36.10 | hardwire | pay out the ass to digium |
| 20:36.13 | file | 2.0ghz? hrm it might work |
| 20:36.15 | hardwire | or.. just use my freeby lib |
| 20:36.19 | hardwire | which is so very illegal |
| 20:37.01 | hardwire | I also need to find mpeg media server software |
| 20:37.04 | hardwire | and throw it on my linode |
| 20:38.14 | hardwire | file: it would be 24 lines for one machine |
| 20:38.16 | hardwire | and 36 for another |
| 20:38.25 | hardwire | with 48 total lines doing sip based stuff |
| 20:38.38 | file | it should work |
| 20:38.40 | hardwire | 36 voice lines and out of the 48.. the extra are all non answered calls |
| 20:38.59 | hardwire | it dials two lines.. whoever picks up first wins and gets to talk to the call agent |
| 20:39.06 | hardwire | the other is dropped |
| 20:39.11 | hardwire | 0 codecieness |
| 20:39.20 | hardwire | just sip at that point for the dropped line |
| 20:39.38 | hardwire | how well does g.726-16 work |
| 20:39.42 | lurgy | hmm |
| 20:39.51 | file | asterisk doesn't do 16, and it won't pass it through, and nobody supports it as a provider |
| 20:40.05 | lurgy | has a rent check run been made since tuesday? |
| 20:40.31 | hardwire | file: well damn |
| 20:40.41 | hardwire | so its either g.729 or gsm |
| 20:40.49 | hardwire | and I think your switches thrive more on g.729 |
| 20:40.49 | file | nobody supports gsm either, well, usually |
| 20:41.04 | file | so it's g729 or ulaw |
| 20:41.06 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:41.07 | hardwire | well |
| 20:41.08 | file | or g723 |
| 20:41.09 | hardwire | g.729 it is |
| 20:41.22 | hardwire | is it one time licenced? |
| 20:41.32 | darth_mall | hrm... lots and lots of updates... |
| 20:41.33 | file | g723 costs over a million dollars. |
| 20:41.47 | lurgy | darth_mall: do you know? |
| 20:42.12 | hardwire | no |
| 20:42.13 | hardwire | g.729 |
| 20:42.16 | darth_mall | lurgy: all I know is that my check hasn't been taken |
| 20:42.20 | file | define one time licensed |
| 20:42.24 | darth_mall | lurgy: if it hasn't been taken by tomorrow afternoon then I'm taking it |
| 20:42.39 | lurgy | okeydoke |
| 20:42.39 | darth_mall | lurgy: so if you have one that needs goin' I can do it tomorrow |
| 20:42.43 | hardwire | file: I am probably going to send them 4 Sipuras to test with |
| 20:42.45 | hardwire | for a month |
| 20:42.48 | hardwire | and see if it works |
| 20:42.55 | hardwire | connected to VC |
| 20:43.00 | lurgy | cool |
| 20:43.14 | file | k |
| 20:43.15 | hardwire | file: david gave us 20,000/mins to test with |
| 20:43.22 | purple_cow | lurgy: scanline & i gave rich our checks when he was over here for plumbing stuff |
| 20:43.32 | file | good good |
| 20:43.48 | file | we've got call centers going right now... and some automated dialer folk |
| 20:44.16 | file | pagefault: Grab me 2 PCI sound cards |
| 20:44.28 | hardwire | so |
| 20:44.29 | hardwire | ugh |
| 20:44.29 | pagefault | file: it actually is running sunday... |
| 20:44.33 | pagefault | but not enough time I would imagine |
| 20:44.39 | file | yeah |
| 20:44.50 | hardwire | around $1k for g.729 licence |
| 20:44.52 | hardwire | err |
| 20:44.53 | hardwire | liscencing |
| 20:44.58 | hardwire | howeverthefuckyouspellit |
| 20:45.01 | darth_mall | bleh... class soon |
| 20:45.02 | hardwire | for 96 channels |
| 20:45.19 | file | you *can* do passthrough... |
| 20:45.23 | file | but asterisk complains a bit |
| 20:45.40 | hardwire | file: I am not using asterisk for the initial parts |
| 20:45.44 | hardwire | the testing |
| 20:45.49 | hardwire | just the SPA-s connected to VC |
| 20:46.04 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:46.11 | hardwire | its moot |
| 20:46.19 | hardwire | I won't be using any hardware pre-licenced for G.729a |
| 20:46.30 | hardwire | it will be FXS into an asterisk server.. all 96 channels |
| 20:46.37 | file | fun fun |
| 20:46.52 | hardwire | yup |
| 20:47.01 | file | hrm |
| 20:47.05 | hardwire | thats digium getting over.. hmm |
| 20:47.13 | file | I do have a library implementation with full support for G726 |
| 20:47.18 | hardwire | 4,800 in licencing |
| 20:47.40 | hardwire | file: but I don't wanna colocate a g.726 -> ulaw server next to VC |
| 20:47.55 | file | nah I was thinking for my own stuff |
| 20:47.59 | hardwire | I would never. |
| 20:48.01 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:48.49 | hardwire | http://store1.yimg.com/I/asteriskpbx_1811_393257 |
| 20:48.50 | hardwire | wtf |
| 20:49.03 | file | hehe |
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| 20:51.44 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:51.46 | hardwire | IRC meeting |
| 20:51.47 | hardwire | yay |
| 20:51.48 | hardwire | much easier |
| 20:51.55 | file | where? who? what? |
| 20:54.27 | ChipX86 | heh got a response back from the guy who wants notification-daemon to use libglade |
| 20:54.31 | ChipX86 | he says it makes the code cleaner |
| 20:54.37 | TD | argh |
| 20:54.40 | ChipX86 | he doesn't like seeing all the gtk statements |
| 20:54.40 | TD | has he actually read said code? |
| 20:54.52 | ChipX86 | yeah, but he seems to be new to all this :) |
| 20:55.23 | TD | heh |
| 20:56.47 | purple_cow | he probably read somewhere that libglade makes gtk applications cleaner |
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| 21:03.03 | scanline | aha, here's the email from Todd Davis @ google |
| 21:03.04 | scanline | yay |
| 21:03.08 | cwisty | yay |
| 21:03.10 | cwisty | what's it say? |
| 21:03.25 | scanline | wants to schedule a "phone screen" :) |
| 21:03.30 | ChipX86 | you're applying there? |
| 21:03.33 | cwisty | hot buttered sex! |
| 21:03.40 | scanline | ChipX86: apparently :) |
| 21:03.41 | ChipX86 | I hear it sucks working at google nowadays |
| 21:03.43 | file | oh bloody hell, "Package to be cleared by FedEx broker" |
| 21:03.58 | ChipX86 | google's real close to here |
| 21:03.58 | scanline | cwisty: ;) |
| 21:03.59 | file | go faster Fedex broker! |
| 21:04.03 | cwisty | what's up? |
| 21:04.09 | scanline | ChipX86: you're welcome to try to get me a job at vmware ;) |
| 21:04.31 | ChipX86 | but people who have worked at google and people who have roommates who work at google say that unless you're a PhD, you're going to be doing boring, mundane work all day |
| 21:04.38 | ChipX86 | I will, send me a resume and I'll send it in right now |
| 21:04.50 | ChipX86 | christian@vmware.com |
| 21:05.02 | file | ChipX86: ooh you got a first name e-mail address? |
| 21:05.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:05.09 | scanline | ChipX86: http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/docs/resume/micah_dowty_resume.pdf |
| 21:05.29 | ChipX86 | purple_cow and darth_mall should also move out here |
| 21:05.30 | scanline | though it will be weirdly cool living near ChipX86 |
| 21:05.52 | scanline | you can introduce me to the harem, and jamie |
| 21:05.55 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:06.03 | scanline | and I can jump on your bed! |
| 21:06.15 | ChipX86 | nice resume. I think they'll like that |
| 21:06.17 | ChipX86 | no! |
| 21:06.21 | ChipX86 | my bed is not to be jumped on |
| 21:06.24 | scanline | mwahaha |
| 21:06.31 | ChipX86 | it can be bounced on, but only if it involves Jamie and I. And erm.. nm |
| 21:06.39 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:06.57 | file | silly ChipX86 |
| 21:07.23 | ChipX86 | scanline: got any gtk+ stuff you can specifically mention on there? |
| 21:07.30 | ChipX86 | like, examples of projects? |
| 21:07.34 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:07.49 | scanline | IIRC my only real big gtk project is fyre |
| 21:07.56 | scanline | but I've used it for a bunch of tiny stuff |
| 21:08.02 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:08.07 | ChipX86 | but you're familiar enough with it to discuss it, right? |
| 21:08.12 | scanline | yeah |
| 21:08.13 | ChipX86 | because they'll ask questdions |
| 21:08.14 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:08.39 | kergoth | yay evince |
| 21:10.22 | kergoth | looks good |
| 21:10.39 | ChipX86 | sent |
| 21:11.19 | scanline | yay ChipX86 |
| 21:11.42 | scanline | hmm.. I suppose I should get dressed and wander into spacegrant |
| 21:11.55 | purple_cow | pfft |
| 21:12.06 | scanline | meant to get up for my 9:30 class... but I ended up fixing CIA until about 9:15, then going back to bed and ignoring my alarm |
| 21:12.11 | purple_cow | why is it that everyone here is so bent on wearing clothes |
| 21:12.45 | cwisty | scanline: how you sleep? |
| 21:12.56 | scanline | surprisingly good |
| 21:13.04 | cwisty | are you awake now |
| 21:13.10 | scanline | I think so |
| 21:13.12 | cwisty | how long you get to snooze? |
| 21:13.14 | scanline | yep |
| 21:13.15 | cwisty | hehe |
| 21:13.45 | scanline | well, I woke up around 8:00, went back to bed about 9:30, then somehow slept until 2:00 |
| 21:13.51 | kergoth | hm, i should add more to my resume about project management type experience |
| 21:13.52 | cwisty | you suck |
| 21:13.54 | kergoth | the whole herding cats thing |
| 21:14.11 | scanline | cwisty: I can assure you that was a complete accident |
| 21:14.22 | cwisty | I got my 3 hour nap and was in physics by 8:30 |
| 21:14.24 | scanline | a very restful accident |
| 21:14.24 | cwisty | hehe |
| 21:14.26 | ChipX86 | I'm sleeping 12 hours every night :( damn flu |
| 21:14.31 | cwisty | a worthwhile accident |
| 21:14.42 | cwisty | ChipX86: yucky! |
| 21:14.52 | scanline | ChipX86: is this the kind of flu that girls put down their shirt? |
| 21:14.59 | ChipX86 | no :( |
| 21:15.00 | ChipX86 | that flu we like |
| 21:15.11 | scanline | I should bring my fuzzy little flu with me today |
| 21:15.16 | scanline | it's so cute |
| 21:15.16 | ChipX86 | Jamie still won't do that.. but she holds the flu whenever it's around. I should buy her one |
| 21:15.23 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:15.34 | ChipX86 | there's some odd attraction that the girls I know have toward the flu. |
| 21:15.52 | ChipX86 | I'll show you |
| 21:15.57 | ChipX86 | http://chipx86.com/gallery/People/Harem/Microbes |
| 21:16.10 | ChipX86 | these were all voluntary, and they asked me to take their pics |
| 21:16.53 | purple_cow | lies! we all know that ChipX86 really tied them up with invisible rope first |
| 21:17.03 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 21:17.06 | ChipX86 | it's true! |
| 21:17.20 | scanline | like a bagel |
| 21:17.27 | scanline | like.. not cwisty's icecream ;) |
| 21:17.28 | ChipX86 | that sounds good |
| 21:17.41 | cwisty | mmm ice cream |
| 21:17.46 | cwisty | scanline: you should remember to bring that with you today |
| 21:17.49 | scanline | hmm, although I do still have my own ice cream... |
| 21:17.51 | scanline | cwisty: yep |
| 21:18.16 | purple_cow | hah |
| 21:18.41 | purple_cow | i do an internship search on bufflink and the only results are for avaya :P |
| 21:18.55 | ChipX86 | yay, avaya! |
| 21:18.57 | ChipX86 | what's avaya? |
| 21:19.09 | purple_cow | they do phone stuff |
| 21:19.18 | cwisty | AT&T spinoff |
| 21:19.19 | kergoth | gah |
| 21:19.22 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 21:19.27 | kergoth | spilled mountain dew on myself |
| 21:19.45 | purple_cow | but seeing as my mom is a fairly important manager for the broomfield offices, there might be something of a conflict of interest in applying there :P |
| 21:19.45 | ChipX86 | uh oh, I need quarters and I think I'm out |
| 21:19.49 | scanline | poor kergoth, there probably isn't a decontamination clinic for miles |
| 21:19.54 | cwisty | pruple_cow: you should know better than to use Buff Link for internships too |
| 21:20.06 | ChipX86 | scanline: oh yeah, did you want an internship or full-time job? |
| 21:20.14 | scanline | ChipX86: real job. I'm graduating in may |
| 21:20.17 | ChipX86 | good |
| 21:20.23 | ChipX86 | because that's what you would end up getting |
| 21:20.26 | cwisty | yay for graduating in may! |
| 21:20.26 | scanline | :) |
| 21:20.29 | purple_cow | cwisty: yeah... |
| 21:20.36 | ChipX86 | and it's sad that you guys won't be in the same place :( |
| 21:20.40 | ChipX86 | it's like the world is falling to pieces |
| 21:20.56 | purple_cow | there's a possibility of them shipping me out to CMU for the summer, which would be kind of neat, except for the whole pittsburgh thing |
| 21:21.07 | ChipX86 | purple_cow should apply for a job here |
| 21:21.09 | pagefault | IBM is a nice employer if you get to intern there |
| 21:21.12 | lurgy | ChipX86: meh, we'll still be here ;) IRCwise at least |
| 21:21.18 | ChipX86 | it won't be the same! |
| 21:21.24 | lurgy | aw |
| 21:21.59 | pagefault | I might intern at ATI this summe |
| 21:22.04 | lurgy | yay for slimspace being nearby still |
| 21:22.06 | pagefault | err summer |
| 21:22.45 | pagefault | there is a demand for people who know assembly again for some reason |
| 21:22.51 | scanline | I'm still rather hopeful for this local-type startup job |
| 21:23.49 | cwisty | why? |
| 21:24.01 | scanline | it looks cool, and I'd get to stay in boulder |
| 21:24.17 | scanline | but vmware and google are both awfully neat |
| 21:24.22 | ChipX86 | vmware more so than google |
| 21:24.28 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:24.38 | ChipX86 | seriously, I hear it's really quite boring working at google |
| 21:24.38 | purple_cow | hrmph |
| 21:24.41 | ChipX86 | people stay for the perks |
| 21:24.46 | ChipX86 | but we get decent perks at vmware too |
| 21:25.08 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:25.14 | ChipX86 | but if you're a Ph. D, definitely work at google |
| 21:25.16 | scanline | oh yeah.. I was going to get dressed and get lunch |
| 21:25.18 | ChipX86 | because you get to have underlings |
| 21:26.04 | pagefault | I wouldn't consider google long time employment |
| 21:26.10 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 21:26.11 | scanline | ok.. so at google I'd probably be doing something boring, at vmware I'd be doing gtk stuff, and at Churchill Navigation I'd be doing python and embedded systems... |
| 21:26.18 | cwisty | scanline: what do you want me to tell Doug about this e-mail since you changed the assesment ui last night? |
| 21:26.19 | scanline | tough decision :P |
| 21:26.24 | pagefault | I don't think they can say competitive |
| 21:26.29 | ChipX86 | you could be doing gtk stuff, or you could be doing installer, or driver, or whatever |
| 21:26.33 | ChipX86 | if you wanted to be on my team, it'd be gtk |
| 21:27.08 | scanline | cwisty: hmm.. he can probably still try to fix the same bugs he was going to fix. i'm just going to have to change the glue since that set of fixed widgets for each count just wasn't extensible |
| 21:27.08 | ChipX86 | google stuff isn't necessarily boring.. it's more monotonous than anything though |
| 21:27.21 | pagefault | everything google offers can be reproduced very easily |
| 21:27.26 | scanline | ChipX86: ooh, drivers... |
| 21:27.45 | scanline | pagefault: why do you say that? |
| 21:28.00 | scanline | pagefault: google has a way of doing things way better than anyone else who's tried |
| 21:28.25 | ChipX86 | google does really cool stuff |
| 21:28.28 | pagefault | and something else will be popular |
| 21:28.34 | ChipX86 | the question is, if you got a job there, woiuld you be working on that cool stuff? |
| 21:28.45 | ChipX86 | they hire a *lot* of people all the time |
| 21:28.54 | cwisty | scanline: did you go to the tech talk google had here last fall? |
| 21:29.03 | scanline | no |
| 21:29.07 | cwisty | oh man |
| 21:29.09 | cwisty | you missed out |
| 21:29.09 | ChipX86 | and some people around here have talked about how they've gotten a job there and have ended up just scanning things in all day and entering things into a database |
| 21:29.16 | pagefault | scanline, yeah but from a business perspective they can't offer anything that no one else can offer |
| 21:29.23 | ChipX86 | scanline: definitely |
| 21:29.29 | cwisty | they dug into all the projects they have going on and what their people do |
| 21:29.31 | purple_cow | pagefault: that's the case anywhere :P |
| 21:30.27 | ChipX86 | I used to want to work there, but I'm really so happy with vmware that it would take a lot for me to change companies. The atmosphere is the big winner in this case |
| 21:30.36 | pagefault | plus I think google is expanding too fast |
| 21:30.54 | pagefault | they are trying to get their foot in everything |
| 21:31.02 | ChipX86 | I'm not sure that they're expanding too fast, necessarily.. they have the resources to do that |
| 21:31.03 | pagefault | when they should be just specializing in one service |
| 21:31.09 | cwisty | it all comes down to exactly where you work |
| 21:31.18 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 21:31.35 | cwisty | I had two interships with Sun, one I was a monkey for and it sucked, the other was great, I got my hands on a lot of code and did some cool stuff that was used |
| 21:31.37 | pagefault | I would like to see what google looks like in 10 years |
| 21:31.38 | pagefault | thats all |
| 21:31.39 | pagefault | :) |
| 21:31.53 | cwisty | well check out their last 10 years . . . |
| 21:32.00 | cwisty | and the timeframe they did it in |
| 21:32.00 | kergoth | Diablo-D3 is trying to hack the lua interpreter to add new comment syntaxes, thereby breaking compatibility with lua scripts and interpreters the world over |
| 21:32.03 | ChipX86 | in 10 years, VMware's going to look a lot different. So will Microsoft. And IBM. And every other company |
| 21:32.04 | kergoth | what hte fuck |
| 21:32.07 | cwisty | hasn't been a great economy |
| 21:32.11 | purple_cow | kergoth: cool |
| 21:32.24 | pagefault | kergoth, Diablo-D3 is a hack to begin with |
| 21:32.33 | purple_cow | he drives cabs? |
| 21:32.47 | pagefault | it wouldn't surprise me |
| 21:33.13 | pagefault | he has to make money somehow to fund his shadow conflict project |
| 21:33.15 | pagefault | :) |
| 21:33.54 | pagefault | I am still pissed off at him from stealing that PC that someone else needed more than him |
| 21:34.01 | pagefault | then blabbing on irc for weeks how much it sucked |
| 21:34.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:36.15 | purple_cow | stealing a PC? |
| 21:38.17 | pagefault | linuxfund was running a contest and the project with the most points would receive a PC |
| 21:38.38 | pagefault | and Diablo-D3 was spamming irc channels to get people to vote for him and his vaporware project |
| 21:38.41 | kergoth | my desktop just spontaniously rebooted :( |
| 21:38.48 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 21:38.57 | kergoth | i hope that isnt a 2.6.11 bug |
| 21:38.58 | purple_cow | oww, my spine! |
| 21:39.00 | kergoth | i'd be quite unhappy |
| 21:39.25 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7181 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ChangeLog: update date |
| 21:39.31 | ChipX86 | Tony the Tiger has a new cereal. Whole Grain Tiger Power |
| 21:39.34 | kergoth | @google fight vmware google |
| 21:39.38 | kbot | kergoth: google: 29700000, vmware: 538000 |
| 21:39.46 | ChipX86 | awww |
| 21:39.50 | purple_cow | heh |
| 21:39.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:39.59 | purple_cow | @google fight openembedded fyre |
| 21:40.02 | kbot | purple_cow: fyre: 63800, openembedded: 4770 |
| 21:40.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40.13 | purple_cow | that's cheating a little bit though |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | oe's a niche product |
| 21:40.33 | ChipX86 | @google fight libgalago libgnome |
| 21:40.36 | kbot | ChipX86: libgnome: 101000, libgalago: 57 |
| 21:40.39 | ChipX86 | pfft |
| 21:40.40 | purple_cow | because most of those hits are for people who name their roleplaying characters icefyre or something and put them on the web |
| 21:40.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:41.05 | kergoth | @google fight "+fyre +navi" openembedded |
| 21:41.07 | kbot | kergoth: openembedded: 4770, +fyre +navi: 225 |
| 21:41.18 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:41.58 | ChipX86 | Gateway's commercials show that the workers run from the company to the people's houses to deliver the machines. Stacking them all up, barely being able to carry them, an running over bumpy terrain. I'm never buying a Gateway :) |
| 21:42.56 | kergoth | i really like supybot |
| 21:42.58 | scanline | wow, it's like gateway wants to be the new UPS |
| 21:43.02 | kergoth | its python and easy to write modules for |
| 21:43.22 | purple_cow | whoa....google bug? |
| 21:43.29 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 21:44.36 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/hurray-spaces.png |
| 21:44.38 | file | yay under blanket |
| 21:44.50 | ChipX86 | heh, yeah |
| 21:46.00 | scanline | purple_cow: thought about that email with the fyre RPMs? |
| 21:46.09 | scanline | oh, it's already online |
| 21:46.12 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:46.48 | scanline | should probably note that we haven't tested those and won't support them |
| 21:47.00 | pagefault | whats a good timer application for linux |
| 21:47.05 | pagefault | I need to time something |
| 21:47.05 | scanline | maybe have a 'contrib' in the releases |
| 21:47.07 | purple_cow | scanline: patches welcome |
| 21:47.08 | pagefault | 20 minutes |
| 21:47.10 | scanline | pagefault: time |
| 21:48.31 | pagefault | doh |
| 21:51.43 | scanline | :( |
| 21:53.10 | cwisty | gr |
| 21:53.32 | purple_cow | yay for finding something for lunch that's more interesting than just eating a raw onion |
| 21:53.38 | scanline | something in kansas not fun? oh no! |
| 21:53.45 | cwisty | hehe |
| 21:53.48 | scanline | purple_cow: but infinitely less adventurous |
| 21:53.52 | cwisty | Kansas = No Fun |
| 21:54.02 | ChipX86 | meh, wish I was feeling better.. I'd be seeing the harem and Jamie tomorrow |
| 21:54.10 | purple_cow | scanline: true |
| 21:54.26 | scanline | wow, jen sent this email about rich's birthday to lots-o-people |
| 21:54.49 | purple_cow | it's a good thing she's inviting you out for the drinking |
| 21:55.04 | scanline | uhhuh |
| 21:55.12 | file | scanline? drinking? |
| 21:55.24 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 21:55.56 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter 07xchat-gnome-0.3 * r7182 10/: tag |
| 21:56.01 | scanline | woo |
| 21:56.02 | kergoth | i dont think i know anyone who actually waited until 21 to drink |
| 21:56.06 | kergoth | silly laws |
| 21:56.21 | file | espically kergoth |
| 21:56.22 | scanline | kergoth: yeah, but at a restaurant like that it'd be tricky |
| 21:56.42 | cwisty | scanline: nah! |
| 21:57.05 | kergoth | i always had that problem too |
| 21:57.14 | kergoth | always got carded at casinos and shit |
| 21:57.19 | kergoth | bastards |
| 21:57.27 | cwisty | ditto |
| 21:57.27 | ChipX86 | yeah, I'm told I look too young too |
| 21:57.31 | purple_cow | strangely enough, i've yet to be carded in a restaurant |
| 21:57.37 | file | scanline needs a beard! |
| 21:57.39 | scanline | must be the beard |
| 21:57.46 | scanline | file: I'm planning on giving it another go soon |
| 21:57.47 | purple_cow | scanline: or something |
| 21:57.52 | scanline | file: :P |
| 21:57.56 | kergoth | @futurama |
| 21:57.57 | kbot | kergoth: <Bender> I'm tired of this room and everyone in it! |
| 21:58.25 | file | crazy as a coconut |
| 21:58.31 | ChipX86 | scanline: looks like it might be the devices team |
| 21:58.34 | scanline | damn that was a respectable load spike |
| 21:58.36 | scanline | http://flapjack.navi.cx/monitor/system/load-day.gif |
| 21:58.41 | scanline | ChipX86: hmm! |
| 21:58.45 | ChipX86 | that ok? |
| 21:58.58 | scanline | ChipX86: they write drivers and come up with virtual hardware I take it? |
| 21:59.13 | ChipX86 | it's things like that, yeah, and improving performance and adding features to existing drivers |
| 21:59.20 | ChipX86 | I don't know the details |
| 21:59.26 | TD | hmmm |
| 21:59.30 | TD | more gtk c++ bindings? |
| 21:59.33 | scanline | ChipX86: definitely sounds like it's worth a shot |
| 21:59.38 | TD | the FAQ isn't very informative as to why i should use them instead of gtkmm |
| 21:59.48 | ChipX86 | it's already gone up the chain to about 5 people |
| 21:59.55 | scanline | ChipX86: wow, that was fast |
| 21:59.59 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:00.05 | ChipX86 | we try to get these things happening fast |
| 22:00.14 | TD | ChipX86: what's that? |
| 22:00.19 | ChipX86 | job interview |
| 22:01.01 | kergoth | didnt get the position at apple, they decided against hiring another dev right now |
| 22:01.04 | TD | scanline is applying? |
| 22:01.04 | kergoth | bastards |
| 22:01.12 | kergoth | now i'm sending a resume to nokia for their r&d lab in finland |
| 22:01.13 | scanline | hah, apple |
| 22:01.17 | kergoth | which would be a hell of a move |
| 22:01.22 | ChipX86 | kergoth: ick |
| 22:01.25 | kergoth | and cold |
| 22:02.00 | kergoth | they're the guys that did scratchbox though |
| 22:02.07 | file | oh wow |
| 22:02.19 | scanline | wow |
| 22:02.20 | scanline | http://flapjack.navi.cx/monitor/system/proc-day.gif |
| 22:02.26 | file | new client, tons of traffic, but nobody will take the traffic |
| 22:02.29 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7183 10xchat-gnome/web/downloads.shtml: update downloads page |
| 22:03.55 | scanline | it'd be so cool to have a system like hotsanic where you could set triggers for emails or shell scripts by marking things right on the graphs |
| 22:04.28 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7184 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (ChangeLog ROADMAP): remove the 0.3 stuff from the roadmap, add an 0.4 section to the changelog |
| 22:04.33 | scanline | could just draw a line on the disk graph for it to email you when the free disk space gets too low |
| 22:04.55 | scanline | or draw on the daily CPU graph such that if the system CPU average gets above 0.8 it starts killing things |
| 22:05.11 | file | now I see why you guys have so much fun with fyre... it's just... so... mesmorizing... fractals in general |
| 22:05.20 | scanline | file: they aren't generally fractals |
| 22:05.46 | file | less specifics, more generality! |
| 22:06.12 | purple_cow | they're both art, and they're both made with math |
| 22:06.23 | purple_cow | some fyre images can be described as fractal in nature |
| 22:06.23 | file | yay math |
| 22:06.35 | purple_cow | that's about as related as they get :P |
| 22:06.55 | scanline | well, and you can render fyre images in pretty much the same way as flame fractals |
| 22:07.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7185 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: bump version |
| 22:08.13 | purple_cow | scanline: yeah, but that's just a clever imaging technique that works for lots of things... |
| 22:09.50 | scanline | aww, comment spam |
| 22:09.56 | scanline | http://navi.cx/gallery/fyre-screenshots/fyre_setup |
| 22:10.23 | scanline | kerpoof! |
| 22:11.00 | purple_cow | aww, you were too quick for me |
| 22:11.04 | file | whoever came up with the idea of spam needs to die |
| 22:11.23 | scanline | aww, the same spam on wicker shoelace |
| 22:12.40 | scanline | hmm |
| 22:12.41 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/source/outside/graph/temperature:month |
| 22:12.49 | scanline | the weather has been fairly predictable the last couple weeks |
| 22:13.57 | file | mmm derivatives |
| 22:14.48 | scanline | wow, battery's getting pretty low on that one |
| 22:14.52 | cwisty | scanline should come to school and see cwisty |
| 22:15.09 | scanline | hmm, yes |
| 22:15.33 | scanline | wow |
| 22:15.39 | scanline | nice knee curve on that battery |
| 22:15.40 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/source/outside/graph/voltage:year |
| 22:16.41 | ChipX86 | scanline: looks liek the devices team is going to handle things if they need somebody, and if not, it'll fall back on the UI team |
| 22:16.43 | TD | wow |
| 22:16.46 | TD | this is insane |
| 22:16.59 | scanline | ChipX86: ok. thanks! |
| 22:17.15 | TD | XFC is exactly like GTKmm, except with better docs |
| 22:17.20 | TD | yet written by fewer people?! |
| 22:17.21 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 22:17.35 | TD | wtf? |
| 22:17.42 | TD | the API is identical, virtually |
| 22:17.47 | ChipX86 | fork? |
| 22:17.50 | TD | http://xfc.xfce.org/docs/reference/html/classXfc_1_1Gtk_1_1Label.html#_details |
| 22:17.50 | TD | nope |
| 22:17.56 | TD | they just evolved in exactly the same direction |
| 22:18.09 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 22:18.12 | ChipX86 | well, that's not too hard to do |
| 22:18.15 | ChipX86 | given it's wrapping an API |
| 22:18.18 | TD | " I started trying to write a program with Gtkmm but found a few bugs. I made an effort to discuss the bugs and help fix them but my novice emails were repeatedly ignored on the Gtkmm mailing list. I gave up and bought a GTK+ programming book by Donna Martin, et al., and set about learning GTK+. I soon realized that GTK+ wasn't too difficult and decided to try and write a C++ framework for it as I learnt. Today, the Xfce Found |
| 22:18.18 | TD | ation Classes is the result of that work." |
| 22:18.57 | purple_cow | bizzare |
| 22:19.24 | TD | well, not bizzare. just sad. the gtk-- guys didn't take the time to help out a newbie, and now there are 2 virtually identical C++ bindings |
| 22:19.32 | TD | except that XFC appears to be better |
| 22:19.36 | TD | more efficient, better documented etc |
| 22:20.02 | scanline | yay, wastes of time :P |
| 22:21.12 | TD | shame |
| 22:21.18 | TD | i'd like to see a new GTK+ c++ wrapper |
| 22:21.37 | TD | but one that is based almost entirely on inlines, or that has very small overhead, so it's suitable for static linking |
| 22:22.22 | ChipX86 | hrm, ear's starting to throb |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | @deepthought |
| 22:24.53 | kbot | kergoth: Instead of raising your hand to ask a question in class, how about individual push buttons on each desk? That way, when you want to ask a question, you just push the button and it lights up a corresponding number on a tote board at the front of the class. Then all the professor has to do is check the lighted number against a master sheet of names and numbers to see who is asking the question. |
| 22:24.57 | purple_cow | TD: eww, static linking? |
| 22:25.47 | TD | yes |
| 22:26.23 | purple_cow | but why? |
| 22:26.39 | darth_mall | because it's good for the soul? |
| 22:26.49 | kergoth | @futurama |
| 22:26.50 | kbot | kergoth: <Fry> The butter in my pocket is melting! |
| 22:26.56 | kergoth | i'm so productive today |
| 22:28.10 | ChipX86 | there's a bug. It must be fixed soon. I know exactly where it is. I need to pass a variable to something. That variable must contain a value from something else. I have no idea how to get that value. |
| 22:28.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:30.24 | ChipX86 | oh. |
| 22:36.54 | ChipX86 | court shows are amusing |
| 22:37.19 | ChipX86 | "That's a lie! I have NEVER stayed away from home at night. Never. I have NEVER done that. The only reason I did that was because ..." |
| 22:37.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:37.34 | ChipX86 | there wasn't even a break between those |
| 22:41.54 | TD | purple_cow: well |
| 22:42.07 | TD | purple_cow: dynamic linking is a useful tool, but sometimes people apply it where it's not appropriate |
| 22:42.40 | TD | in particular, if a lib is very rare or unstable, then you will probably have to download the lib anyway and it'll probably only be used by your app |
| 22:42.50 | TD | or that particular version of it will only be used by your app. maybe 2 apps if you are lucky |
| 22:42.57 | TD | in this case the cost of a dependency is not worth the gain |
| 22:43.19 | TD | obviously if a lib is actually only used by your own program then there is no gain with dynamic linking at all, it's pure overhead. so in that case you should probably statically link |
| 22:43.25 | kergoth | and of course the obvious cases like recovery tools, early userspace, etc |
| 22:43.48 | kergoth | or things like unit testing frameworks like check, no real need to dynamically link that |
| 22:44.20 | kergoth | bleh, too much to doi |
| 22:44.23 | kergoth | not enough motivation to do it |
| 22:44.36 | purple_cow | i'm not criticizing it in the general case (though i have been burned in the past), but i don't see the benefit for doing it to a language binding for a popular toolkit |
| 22:47.15 | TD | mostly because i don't have much faith in the gcc teams ability to keep the c++ ABI stable anymore |
| 22:47.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:47.25 | TD | they broke their promises several times now. and what happens if/when the c++ spec is revised? |
| 22:47.37 | TD | i read the itanium ABI spec the other day. it's not actually complete |
| 22:47.48 | purple_cow | well, that's a different problem :P |
| 22:48.05 | purple_cow | but static linking can cause some very hairy problems, especially in the context of security |
| 22:48.23 | TD | yes |
| 22:48.32 | TD | i'd not recommend it for very stable, widely used libs like zlib |
| 22:53.58 | purple_cow | yay, i can build beagle again |
| 22:55.02 | *** part/#tacobeam cwisty (~default@ec237-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 23:00.37 | ChipX86 | every app should statically link dbus |
| 23:02.20 | TD | heh |
| 23:02.27 | purple_cow | oh no! |
| 23:02.30 | darth_mall | oh yes! |
| 23:02.33 | purple_cow | i don't have a session bus set up on kirby |
| 23:04.08 | darth_mall | silly purple_cow |
| 23:17.47 | ChipX86 | scanline: sounds like they're already setting up the person for the phone screen |
| 23:17.56 | ChipX86 | they'll probably contact you via e-mail first, I'd think |
| 23:25.23 | purple_cow | time for prelink -faRm |
| 23:25.26 | purple_cow | what a great command |
| 23:25.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:27.32 | hardwire | file: so.. tomorrow you get your phone? |
| 23:27.36 | kergoth | gah! |
| 23:27.43 | hardwire | GAH! |
| 23:27.43 | kergoth | 5 more training classes i have to take |
| 23:27.47 | kergoth | on process crap |
| 23:27.49 | kergoth | :\ |
| 23:30.45 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:31.01 | kergoth | "Swelling usually occurs 2-3 days after the piercing, this swelling can last 7-10 days." |
| 23:31.04 | kergoth | :\ |
| 23:31.05 | kergoth | 7-10 days |
| 23:31.07 | kergoth | gah |
| 23:31.11 | ChipX86 | how long has it been? |
| 23:31.20 | kergoth | i got it done on friday, and it didnt swell until monday |
| 23:31.28 | kergoth | so should be back to normal by next week |
| 23:40.04 | kergoth | ooh, openoffice has a 2.0 candidate for beta now :) |
| 23:43.06 | kergoth | i wonder if it still has that annoying bulleting bug i saw |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03evan * r1021 10mck/PyMCK/ADCS/Coordinates.py: |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: Flesh this out a little bit to give Joe an idea |
| 23:49.47 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: of where to go with this coordinate conversion stuff. |
| 23:50.55 | CIA-3 | spacegrant: 03evan * r1022 10mck/PyMCK/ADCS/Coordinates.py: Make this a little more clear |
| 23:51.36 | *** join/#tacobeam cwisty (~default@ec237-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 23:52.12 | hardwire | oooooooopen office |
| 23:52.22 | hardwire | join in! |
| 23:56.03 | kergoth | hm, i should put my linode on freenet6, and have it run my dns so i can manage the dns for my ipv6 block |
| 23:56.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:57.42 | purple_cow | woo, thrashy |
| 23:58.43 | darth_mall | hrm... I should go home |
