| 00:00.06 | hardwire | 9V |
| 00:00.09 | ChipX86 | hmm, 96MB of source in trinity svn |
| 00:00.11 | hardwire | exactly |
| 00:00.12 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:00.55 | hardwire | this is fun |
| 00:01.08 | hardwire | incresing the codec frame size to get around a pingflooded AP |
| 00:01.29 | hardwire | I don't think they expected toll quality voice for this project |
| 00:01.35 | hardwire | we could have gotten away with mr-roboto |
| 00:05.34 | purple_cow | yay, mplayer now has mkv support |
| 00:07.16 | purple_cow | oof, need to mess with subtitle fonts =P |
| 00:08.09 | ChipX86 | not sure how I want to do this |
| 00:10.45 | purple_cow | yay, the subs are readable |
| 00:13.11 | scanline | bleh, as soon as I put a real crimp on the cable it starts being flaky |
| 00:13.23 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 00:14.28 | scanline | I'd be really curious to see the inside of the dock |
| 00:14.29 | scanline | actually.. |
| 00:14.37 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 00:16.49 | scanline | grr |
| 00:16.54 | scanline | I want to see the back of the board, darnit |
| 00:17.06 | scanline | still.. doesn't look like they had room for ethernet magnetics on that board |
| 00:17.16 | scanline | so either they're in the dock, or they broke all sorts of standards |
| 00:17.18 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7100 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network-editor.c: implement 'remove' for the network server list |
| 00:17.25 | scanline | most likely both |
| 00:20.04 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:21.08 | ChipX86 | the day is flying by |
| 00:22.59 | purple_cow | yay, what a cool show |
| 00:25.06 | TD | 24 is so cool |
| 00:25.10 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 00:25.23 | TD | gael is about to shoot kim! oh no! |
| 00:25.38 | ChipX86 | oh yeah, you're on the previous season |
| 00:26.05 | ChipX86 | Jack Bower dies! |
| 00:26.07 | ChipX86 | and is then brought back to life! |
| 00:26.08 | ChipX86 | by aliens! |
| 00:26.12 | ChipX86 | run by the president! |
| 00:26.43 | TD | awww |
| 00:26.53 | ChipX86 | then Mulder and Scully investigate it |
| 00:27.00 | TD | it just announced my copy would expire in 2 days |
| 00:27.04 | TD | i guess it wants me to update to the newest beta |
| 00:27.06 | ChipX86 | awww |
| 00:27.07 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 00:27.09 | ChipX86 | RC2 |
| 00:27.45 | TD | given that it's 00:25 |
| 00:28.00 | ChipX86 | so glad I got that mimetype and icon stuff in |
| 00:29.22 | *** join/#tacobeam JB_CSGC (~JB_CSGC@c-67-165-200-139.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:29.25 | TD | oh, ick |
| 00:29.27 | TD | debian-installer |
| 00:29.31 | TD | i hate that. it screams NIH at me |
| 00:29.35 | scanline | hah! |
| 00:29.37 | scanline | http://features.engadget.com/entry/6336778455600767/ |
| 00:30.12 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:30.15 | JB_CSGC | darth_mall: I'm not having much luck finding your SGP4 code on Rex, any hints? |
| 00:30.48 | scanline | rex-misc/mck/PyMCK/ADCS/SGP4.py |
| 00:31.07 | scanline | with test cases in rex-misc/mck/PyMCK/Test/test_sgp4.py |
| 00:31.14 | JB_CSGC | sweet, ty |
| 00:31.26 | scanline | there are really easy ways to find out where people's code is |
| 00:31.31 | JB_CSGC | oh? |
| 00:31.39 | scanline | one is to check svn log to see what people have been committing |
| 00:31.43 | scanline | but it might be easier to use CIA :) |
| 00:31.51 | JB_CSGC | i dont know what that is :) |
| 00:32.01 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/spacegrant |
| 00:32.02 | JB_CSGC | other than the "OGA" |
| 00:32.11 | JB_CSGC | aha |
| 00:32.15 | scanline | so that shows you all the recent commits in spacegrant |
| 00:32.19 | scanline | it has stats for each module |
| 00:32.21 | gonkulator | wow, someone I don't know |
| 00:32.24 | scanline | then on the left you can get links for authors |
| 00:32.29 | JB_CSGC | sweet |
| 00:32.29 | scanline | gonkulator: stfu noob |
| 00:32.30 | ChipX86 | gonkulator: me? |
| 00:32.38 | gonkulator | howdy slimspace |
| 00:32.38 | scanline | hiya slimspace |
| 00:32.41 | JB_CSGC | cheers slim |
| 00:32.47 | gonkulator | scanline: s/noob/n00b/ |
| 00:32.55 | scanline | JB_CSGC: it even has you on there ;) |
| 00:33.12 | JB_CSGC | spiffy |
| 00:33.24 | JB_CSGC | i guess that means i might have to actually produce something, just so I can see it on there |
| 00:33.40 | ChipX86 | yay Rio DJ |
| 00:35.04 | TD | <sigh> anaconda is much better |
| 00:35.10 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 00:35.12 | TD | "but it doesn't run on 19 architectures!!!" they say. |
| 00:35.16 | TD | so what? ubuntu doesn't either |
| 00:36.12 | TD | two step forwards, one step back ... |
| 00:36.21 | ChipX86 | the new metacity is pissing me off |
| 00:36.50 | ChipX86 | *NO* new windows pop to the top or auto-gain focus it seems |
| 00:36.55 | TD | oh man |
| 00:37.00 | TD | i've heard other people bitching about that |
| 00:37.03 | ChipX86 | and if it tries to bring up a window htat's on another desktop, it jumps to the desktop |
| 00:37.07 | TD | i hope they don't ship it in such a broken state |
| 00:37.12 | ChipX86 | I want the window where I am, not where the window is |
| 00:37.24 | TD | it's the focus stealing prevention stuff |
| 00:37.28 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 00:37.33 | JB_CSGC | slimspace: you said the FC clock reset to Jan 1 1960 right? |
| 00:37.37 | ChipX86 | how is it that every other WM gets this right, and metacity doesn't? |
| 00:37.37 | TD | WHY does the WM have to do that? i thought there was a magic NETWM protocol to stop windows stealing focus? |
| 00:37.41 | ChipX86 | this has never been a problem before |
| 00:37.47 | TD | beats me |
| 00:37.48 | slimspace | JB_CSGC: yes |
| 00:37.54 | ChipX86 | they act like it's some new thing |
| 00:37.58 | ChipX86 | er, old thing |
| 00:38.02 | ChipX86 | and they're just trying to fix it |
| 00:38.05 | ChipX86 | but it's only metacity |
| 00:38.11 | TD | well they've been trying to get focus stealing right for ages |
| 00:38.13 | TD | iirc kde screws it up too |
| 00:38.19 | TD | which implies it probably should not exist .... |
| 00:38.26 | TD | what scares me is that they're in hard code freeze aren't they? |
| 00:38.45 | ChipX86 | I thought so |
| 00:38.56 | TD | so it'll probably ship broken as snot. not for the first time ... |
| 00:39.08 | purple_cow | that's the best kind of broken |
| 00:39.09 | TD | it's the downside to 6 month release cycles i guess. |
| 00:39.46 | ChipX86 | the good news is, so far, Jamie has been able to navigate around her system and use it without major problems |
| 00:39.55 | TD | is she running warty or hoary? |
| 00:39.58 | ChipX86 | warty |
| 00:40.02 | TD | k |
| 00:40.03 | ChipX86 | I didn't dare put hoary on there |
| 00:40.09 | TD | good! :) |
| 00:40.10 | ChipX86 | the modem stuff is all screwy though |
| 00:40.14 | TD | what has she had issues with? |
| 00:40.16 | TD | ah ... winmodem? |
| 00:40.18 | ChipX86 | the modem :) |
| 00:40.20 | ChipX86 | no |
| 00:40.28 | ChipX86 | but apparently the driver isn't built into the kernel or something |
| 00:40.40 | TD | ah man. the kernel blows sometimes |
| 00:40.41 | ChipX86 | and I didn't realize that, so I've got to take it over to a working network and get the patch |
| 00:40.47 | ChipX86 | (it needs a patch I guess) |
| 00:40.49 | TD | what model is it? |
| 00:40.49 | ChipX86 | the whole thing confuses me |
| 00:40.55 | ChipX86 | I don't recall, but the box lists Linux support |
| 00:41.01 | ChipX86 | I think she hsa the box |
| 00:41.27 | ChipX86 | she does like that when she plugs in her camera or USB stick, things Just Work |
| 00:41.44 | ChipX86 | we're making progress, but we still have so far to go |
| 00:41.54 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7101 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network-editor.c: add autojoin editing capabilities |
| 00:42.01 | TD | well the modem probably did support linux .... once |
| 00:42.07 | TD | there was an interesting email from the OSDL earlier |
| 00:42.18 | TD | it turns out quite a few manufacturers are OK with open source drivers |
| 00:42.24 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 00:42.26 | TD | but they won't make them because it takes so long to get into the kernel |
| 00:42.33 | TD | and they want drivers to work as soon as the product is shipped |
| 00:42.35 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 00:42.40 | TD | otherwise they can't advertise linux support, right? |
| 00:42.47 | TD | so ... not so much benefit for them |
| 00:42.49 | ChipX86 | we need some kind of unified kernel module package management |
| 00:43.13 | ChipX86 | if something is plugged in and needs a driver, it queries a remote repository |
| 00:43.19 | TD | the kernel guys will never change their stance on this one. they'd lose far too much face to admit they were wrong |
| 00:43.28 | ChipX86 | if there's a compatible binary driver, it uses it and installs it. If not, it gets the source and compiles it |
| 00:43.31 | TD | i said on the list, it'll end up with a fork or with a magic module that exposes stable interfaces |
| 00:43.35 | TD | probably a fork |
| 00:43.39 | scanline | ooh |
| 00:43.41 | scanline | I think I got it |
| 00:43.45 | TD | ChipX86: there's no point in trying to distribute binary drivers |
| 00:43.45 | ChipX86 | TD: nod |
| 00:43.52 | TD | they break the moment you upgrade, for no obvious reason |
| 00:43.59 | TD | basically, if the driver is out of tree, you're screwed |
| 00:44.02 | ChipX86 | we had that whole unified driver API that was supposed to be cross-platform. Shame it didn't take off |
| 00:44.06 | ChipX86 | there was both windows and linux support :/ |
| 00:44.11 | TD | hmm, i must have missed that one |
| 00:44.16 | ChipX86 | it was years ago |
| 00:44.28 | ChipX86 | UDI |
| 00:44.36 | ChipX86 | http://www.projectudi.org/ |
| 00:44.37 | TD | we already have one for wireless drivers |
| 00:44.45 | TD | it's called NDIS and is very stable :( |
| 00:45.14 | purple_cow | scanline: crazy bastard :) |
| 00:45.17 | ChipX86 | looks dead now.. |
| 00:45.36 | TD | i mean, seriously. look at what happened to the PWC driver |
| 00:45.38 | TD | and that was open source! |
| 00:45.51 | TD | the kernel team just have huge issues with distributed development. |
| 00:46.01 | ChipX86 | PWC? |
| 00:46.05 | TD | webcam driver |
| 00:46.08 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 00:46.11 | TD | remember that? |
| 00:46.18 | ChipX86 | no |
| 00:46.36 | TD | it was open source, but supported a binary plugin if you wanted to use it that could increase quality. better codecs or something |
| 00:46.44 | TD | the binary driver needed a hook in the open source one to load it up |
| 00:47.02 | TD | greg kh, major asshole, decided to pull it without telling the guy |
| 00:47.12 | TD | who was already pissed off that his little driver took so much effort to maintain |
| 00:47.32 | TD | anyway, that was the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. he asked the kernel guys to drop the driver completed, and walked away |
| 00:47.35 | TD | no more PWC support |
| 00:47.43 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 00:48.24 | TD | http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ |
| 00:48.28 | TD | that's his story ... |
| 00:50.23 | ChipX86 | I'll read in a bit. Fighting gnome-vfs :) |
| 00:50.29 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (~pagefault@66.199.241.90) |
| 00:50.39 | TD | it can be summed up easily enough: |
| 00:50.43 | TD | "So there. This has not been a rash, or one-day decision. Since the inception of PWC it has been an uphill battle because of the (partial) closed-sourceness. There's nothing I can do about that; I'm bound by an NDA, and despite that I've always managed, or managed or worked around it. But this is the last straw. I've been maintaning this driver for the past 5 years or so, and appearantly it has all been in vain. That hurts." |
| 00:51.03 | ChipX86 | ugh, that really really sucks |
| 00:51.19 | pagefault | ooh |
| 00:51.22 | pagefault | lotr in HDTV |
| 00:52.02 | TD | but not unique |
| 00:52.12 | ChipX86 | yay gotos |
| 00:52.23 | purple_cow | i hate it when people let their egos or ambitions get in the way of writing good software =P |
| 00:52.51 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 00:53.14 | TD | what annoys me is the way they act so superior |
| 00:53.22 | TD | "don't tell us what to do, we are kernel developers, we are gods" |
| 00:53.23 | purple_cow | ooh, cool, libbonobo is working on win32 :) |
| 00:53.32 | TD | i got into an argument with alan cox about this once |
| 00:54.02 | TD | he said something like, "it's impossible to debug software with binary code loaded into it, so we don't even try. end of story." |
| 00:54.20 | TD | like that was a trump card or something. so i said that it was completely possible and he said i didn't know what i was talking about |
| 00:54.21 | TD | hmmm |
| 00:54.30 | TD | except .... i do it all the time, with wine. funny that. |
| 00:54.49 | purple_cow | TD: it's a lot more trouble than an average developer is willing to deal with |
| 00:55.08 | TD | so what? the point is they go around acting like it's impossible |
| 00:55.14 | TD | and it's clearly not. i do it all the time. so do microsoft, for that matter |
| 00:55.20 | TD | what they really mean is, "i don't want to". which is fine |
| 00:55.33 | TD | on the other hand, some of them are actually paid to work on it by desktop linux companies, so .... |
| 00:56.17 | TD | i think it'd annoy me less if they just said, "i, personally, don't want to". instead they pretend it's impossible and have blanket policies of rejecting any bug reports from tainted kernels |
| 00:56.43 | TD | they could leave anybody who wants to investigate and help them out etc, but instead choose to treat having binary code loaded as a crime. which is silly and unhelpful |
| 00:56.45 | purple_cow | well, yeah, it's a bad way to phrase it |
| 00:56.49 | ChipX86 | which is practically anybody with a non-onboard video card |
| 00:56.59 | ChipX86 | any nvidia or ati card |
| 00:57.11 | TD | yes, especially stupid as there are no open source nvidia drivers |
| 00:57.14 | TD | contrarary to popular opinion |
| 00:57.18 | file64 | even Windows doesn't work with it |
| 00:57.23 | ChipX86 | there are, but they suck |
| 00:57.33 | TD | i do not define obfuscated code as open source |
| 00:57.48 | TD | it's very, very obfuscated |
| 00:58.01 | TD | it's certainly not hackable or even understandable. which makes it all rather pointless |
| 00:58.08 | TD | essentially a binary driver in C form |
| 00:58.21 | ChipX86 | ooh yay NES-type music |
| 00:58.30 | scanline | mmm |
| 00:58.34 | scanline | this seems to be working nicely |
| 00:58.37 | scanline | I should draw up a schematic :) |
| 00:58.52 | ChipX86 | at some point I should see if riokarma-method compiles |
| 01:00.37 | purple_cow | TD: most people with nvidia cards wouldn't call nv a real driver anyway, since it's just 2d |
| 01:01.41 | TD | well, exactly |
| 01:02.00 | TD | the subject has been flogged to death, and so far nobody figured out a magic way of making the current kernel development model work |
| 01:02.11 | TD | but they stick to it anyway, because it's a religion. so it'll end up in a fork, most likely |
| 01:02.29 | TD | who knows, maybe even lawsuits. at least one red hat kernel developer has told me he considers using any binary drivers at all a violation of his copyright |
| 01:02.49 | ChipX86 | I find that a bit stupid |
| 01:02.51 | TD | linus has managed the whole situation very poorly indeed. the rules are badly defined |
| 01:02.52 | ChipX86 | it's not touching his code |
| 01:02.52 | purple_cow | that's idiotic |
| 01:03.00 | ChipX86 | it has nothing to do with copyright |
| 01:03.06 | TD | ChipX86: who knows? it's arjan van der ven, he's worked on all kinds of stuff |
| 01:03.28 | TD | some of them tried to claim binary modules were impossible because kernel headers included inline functions, at one point |
| 01:03.33 | TD | so incorporating their copyrighted code. |
| 01:03.41 | TD | the whole thing is madness, and linus should have slapped it down. but he did not |
| 01:05.03 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7102 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c irc-network.c): save autojoin channels |
| 01:05.21 | pagefault | binary drivers suck :/ |
| 01:05.30 | purple_cow | i don't mind binary drivers when they work |
| 01:05.34 | ChipX86 | me neither |
| 01:05.58 | TD | the nvidia binary drivers are excellent, and alan cox has said so. |
| 01:06.11 | TD | he hates their licensing but admits they know what they're doing |
| 01:06.26 | ChipX86 | we should just be glad htat some companies are willing to work on such things |
| 01:06.30 | purple_cow | well, i can understand it |
| 01:06.33 | TD | clearly, everyone would prefer open source drivers. but given a choice between "no driver" and "binary driver", which is usually what it comes down to, i'll take binary |
| 01:06.37 | ChipX86 | if we say "We want everything you do to be open source!" then we're going to go nowhere |
| 01:06.47 | purple_cow | with modern graphics cards, the driver is a significant part of the intellecutal property |
| 01:06.49 | TD | s/going to/are going/ |
| 01:06.53 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 01:07.05 | pagefault | I wish nvidia would open source their nforce drivers |
| 01:07.06 | purple_cow | i know the major reason i've bought nvidia cards for the last 5 years is because of the drivers |
| 01:07.10 | pagefault | why the hell is a network driver binary? |
| 01:07.24 | TD | pagefault: because there is no monetary advantage to open sourcing them |
| 01:07.28 | TD | and they cost money to develop |
| 01:07.30 | TD | yes? |
| 01:07.42 | pagefault | it just gets extremely annoying |
| 01:07.48 | purple_cow | TD: i doubt that |
| 01:07.58 | purple_cow | they released their cg tools as open source |
| 01:07.59 | TD | having open source drivers benefits programmers and the wider community, but not so much that it's profitable for them to do it |
| 01:07.59 | pagefault | plus I would like a working nforce audio driver for linux |
| 01:08.11 | purple_cow | i wouldn't be surprised if the chipset does clever stuff in the driver just like their gpus |
| 01:08.17 | TD | purple_cow: yes, and the nvidia installer. they aren't really against open source |
| 01:08.22 | ChipX86 | it's often a bit difficult to get the right people to agree with allowing the developer to open source the code, and to get the code in the proper shape to open source it. This is from experience. |
| 01:08.43 | TD | yeah. and the other issue is downgrading cards to make economy versions, but doing it in software |
| 01:08.56 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 01:09.07 | pagefault | it's all hogwash if you ask me |
| 01:09.16 | TD | pagefault: well, consider this: would there be working drivers if nvidia could distribute one binary that worked for everybody? |
| 01:09.33 | pagefault | ati has no problems releasing specs |
| 01:09.40 | pagefault | so why does nvidia have such an issue with it |
| 01:09.50 | pagefault | it's not like nvidia is the performance leader anymore either |
| 01:10.34 | TD | even if there were no IP issues it still wouldn't work anyway |
| 01:10.42 | TD | see the manufacturers concerns over time-to-market |
| 01:10.49 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7103 10rio-karma/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding a schematic for my potential fix for the Rio Karma ethernet problem. This will be online at http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/rio-karma/hardware/ethernet-fix.pdf |
| 01:10.50 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 01:10.53 | TD | cultural/language issues were also identified as a problem given that many are asian |
| 01:11.09 | TD | and they don't really know how to interact with the kernel community |
| 01:11.18 | purple_cow | scanline is soooo cute |
| 01:11.22 | pagefault | all of nv's driver team is in the US |
| 01:11.26 | pagefault | I am sure they speak perfect english |
| 01:11.30 | ChipX86 | scanline: should I try that at work? I'm at home now and want a solution :( |
| 01:11.42 | scanline | huh? |
| 01:11.48 | ChipX86 | you said not to try it at home |
| 01:11.52 | scanline | pff :P |
| 01:11.59 | TD | pagefault: i didn't say that was an issue for nvidia |
| 01:12.02 | scanline | #include <stddisclaimer.h> |
| 01:12.06 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:12.08 | TD | i said it was an identified issue for some other manufacturers |
| 01:12.18 | TD | especially of cheap stuff like wireless cards, modems, sound cards etc |
| 01:12.30 | ChipX86 | careful, that stddisclaimer.h is covered by an open license, and integrating it with a schematic that interfaces with proprietary hardware is risky |
| 01:12.37 | scanline | ChipX86: I have a hunch, but I'm still not really sure why it works- just that it does, and it's consistent with how some people reported success when using really long cables |
| 01:12.49 | ChipX86 | odd |
| 01:13.14 | scanline | what's really odd is that that's the transmit signal from the rio, not receive |
| 01:13.17 | JB_CSGC | gnight all |
| 01:13.28 | scanline | so my best guess is that it's slewing really fast and causing some kind of reflection that it interprets as constant activity |
| 01:13.41 | purple_cow | hurray chatter! |
| 01:13.45 | scanline | yup |
| 01:13.49 | ChipX86 | I want to see a pic of your little hookup |
| 01:13.55 | scanline | this is just a little low-pass filter that softens that a bit |
| 01:13.57 | scanline | it's really ugly :P |
| 01:14.02 | scanline | needs some electrical tape still... |
| 01:14.17 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 01:14.29 | purple_cow | yay for the title of bryan clark's latest blog entry |
| 01:14.55 | ChipX86 | evince rocks |
| 01:15.32 | TD | hmmm, ubuntu is rather slow at booting |
| 01:15.38 | TD | it's synced the clock twice now! |
| 01:15.43 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 01:15.48 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:15.50 | TD | and postfix is in the default install?! |
| 01:16.00 | scanline | now that I have a solution, I should really redo this in a slightly less ugly way, with heat shrink tubing |
| 01:16.05 | scanline | I hate electrical tape for this sort of stuff |
| 01:16.42 | file64 | scanline, have you ever met something you haven't modified/tweaked/rewritten/hacked? |
| 01:16.54 | scanline | this one I'll take a picture of, my first try I'd be ashamed to ;) |
| 01:16.57 | ChipX86 | awwww! |
| 01:17.01 | ChipX86 | the '!' looks so cute on the rio |
| 01:17.04 | scanline | file64: sure... my speakers, my TV... |
| 01:17.11 | scanline | my mouse |
| 01:17.13 | scanline | um... |
| 01:17.18 | purple_cow | monitor? |
| 01:17.20 | ChipX86 | you should overclock your mouse |
| 01:17.23 | ChipX86 | make it a fyre cluster node |
| 01:17.26 | scanline | I've had to epoxy my monitor here and there |
| 01:17.30 | TD | yay apt! |
| 01:17.34 | TD | haha |
| 01:17.35 | file64 | ooh yes, fyre cluster node |
| 01:17.41 | TD | ChipX86: i got a new ms optical mouse the other day |
| 01:17.45 | purple_cow | yeah, but that's not quite as serious as how i've modified my monitor |
| 01:17.46 | TD | finally - a mouse that doesn't suck |
| 01:17.47 | ChipX86 | how is it? |
| 01:17.49 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:17.52 | ChipX86 | with the smooth wheel? |
| 01:17.59 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah |
| 01:18.09 | TD | nah, it's got a clicky wheel |
| 01:18.11 | ChipX86 | I use almost nothing but my trackpoint nowadays |
| 01:18.13 | TD | but it's alright |
| 01:18.15 | ChipX86 | TD: good ;) |
| 01:18.18 | ChipX86 | I don't like the smooth |
| 01:18.23 | ChipX86 | I never know where I am on the dial |
| 01:19.03 | TD | wtf? |
| 01:19.12 | TD | it's downloading 105mb of patches |
| 01:19.15 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:19.36 | TD | "after unpacking 1218mb will be used" |
| 01:19.39 | purple_cow | hmm, one thing that bothers me about evince is the lack of dragging |
| 01:19.40 | TD | ChipX86: you went through this on a MODEM? |
| 01:19.41 | ChipX86 | wow |
| 01:19.44 | ChipX86 | I did? |
| 01:19.46 | ChipX86 | amazing |
| 01:19.54 | ChipX86 | I could have sworn I was downloading at 350KB/sec |
| 01:20.13 | TD | lol |
| 01:20.17 | TD | 105kb/sec here |
| 01:20.20 | TD | which is quite impressive |
| 01:20.24 | ChipX86 | ouch |
| 01:20.25 | TD | i thought my maximum was 70 |
| 01:20.30 | ChipX86 | wow, really? |
| 01:20.35 | TD | well i have a 512kbit line |
| 01:21.15 | TD | the debian guys really need to learn about binary diffs |
| 01:29.29 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:33.50 | ChipX86 | yay for api simplification |
| 01:34.39 | purple_cow | scanline: safeway? |
| 01:34.42 | scanline | ChipX86: working on libkarma? |
| 01:34.45 | scanline | purple_cow: no thanks |
| 01:34.47 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 01:34.51 | ChipX86 | riokarma-method for gnome-vfs |
| 01:34.55 | scanline | yay |
| 01:35.09 | ChipX86 | no actual karma stuff has happened yet, but the infrastructure is getting built up |
| 01:35.28 | ChipX86 | yay Dream Theater |
| 01:35.28 | scanline | yay for this new version of my cable being really cute |
| 01:35.31 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:35.47 | ChipX86 | it's like random but better |
| 01:35.49 | scanline | it's just a small heatshink-covered bump near the end of the cable :) |
| 01:35.52 | ChipX86 | intelligently random :D |
| 01:35.54 | scanline | ya |
| 01:35.55 | scanline | y |
| 01:36.06 | ChipX86 | cool, must see |
| 01:36.33 | TD | wow |
| 01:36.43 | TD | i'd *love* to know what the security problem with lesstif is |
| 01:36.49 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 01:36.54 | ChipX86 | it allows motif apps to run! |
| 01:36.57 | TD | hahaa |
| 01:36.59 | TD | yeah |
| 01:37.02 | TD | that'd be it |
| 01:38.03 | TD | i suspect a lot of these packages are in fact identical to the ones on the ced |
| 01:38.04 | TD | cd |
| 01:38.16 | TD | but are being pushed out because they're subcomponents of a package that had a 1 line fix |
| 01:38.19 | TD | eg, libc-dev |
| 01:38.29 | TD | python2.3-examples |
| 01:38.33 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:52.53 | TD | what does "selecting ....." mean |
| 01:52.58 | ChipX86 | dunno |
| 01:53.05 | scanline | erg |
| 01:53.33 | scanline | so my CF to PCMCIA adaptor only works in windows due to some crazy hacks I did to support my wireless card... and the wireless card is very crashy under windows |
| 01:53.57 | ChipX86 | hmm, riokarma-vfs, or gnome-vfs-riokarma? |
| 01:54.27 | ChipX86 | I'm thinking the latter |
| 01:54.47 | scanline | yeah |
| 01:54.53 | scanline | it's good to make it clear that it's only a gnome thing |
| 01:54.57 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:55.22 | kergoth | do a fuse fs so it isnt gnome specific :) |
| 01:55.36 | ChipX86 | I'm thinking I shouldn't put it on trinity though.. I should move everything to osiris in time |
| 01:55.51 | kergoth | met megan and trip. trip does, in fact, exist. |
| 01:55.56 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:55.58 | ChipX86 | how was it? |
| 01:56.00 | scanline | riokarhehe |
| 01:56.02 | scanline | oop |
| 01:56.21 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:56.24 | kergoth | ChipX86: pretty cool. never been to a place like that. i've never seen so many geeks in one place. |
| 01:56.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:56.31 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:56.35 | ChipX86 | closest I've been was at yaoicon |
| 01:56.37 | ChipX86 | that's scary |
| 01:56.47 | ChipX86 | hundreds of overly horny girls trying to get any guy they can find to make out with other guys |
| 01:56.57 | kergoth | eh, yes, scary |
| 01:57.07 | ChipX86 | now I know how they feel when guys try that |
| 01:57.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:58.35 | file64 | ChipX86, hold me hold me hug me hug me! |
| 01:58.48 | ChipX86 | ..no |
| 01:58.52 | file64 | ..good |
| 02:00.21 | TD | ChipX86: lol |
| 02:00.27 | TD | ChipX86: except guys have no shame about it ;) |
| 02:00.33 | ChipX86 | neither do some girls |
| 02:00.47 | kergoth | purple_cow: bought the new tori amos album. |
| 02:01.05 | ChipX86 | my image from childhood of girls being innocent and sweet was shattered years ago. I've seen some really horny, perverted girls, and am friends with a number of them :P |
| 02:01.23 | TD | heh |
| 02:01.24 | TD | me too |
| 02:01.35 | TD | the other day cat (a housemate) was going to the local store |
| 02:01.44 | TD | she asked if i wanted anything, so i said yeah, something random and tasty please |
| 02:01.49 | TD | and she said "ok, i'll get you a whore" |
| 02:01.54 | TD | hmm |
| 02:02.03 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 02:03.30 | ChipX86 | did I tell you about the other night, with Joelle, Amanda, and Chelsea? |
| 02:03.38 | TD | no, but they sound hot. got any pics? |
| 02:03.51 | ChipX86 | hmm can't remember |
| 02:04.01 | ChipX86 | it was in a chat, but these are some of the harem girls |
| 02:04.21 | ChipX86 | wow |
| 02:04.34 | TD | pretty much a textbook example of why distros shouldn't be trusted with something as important as packaging ;) |
| 02:04.38 | darth_mall | I honestly think that Robot Chicken is one of the coolest things I have ever seen |
| 02:04.46 | ChipX86 | Robot Chicken? |
| 02:04.53 | darth_mall | Hi, I'm George W. Bush, an I approve this message: Tacos rule! |
| 02:05.03 | darth_mall | ChipX86: the first episode is on navi |
| 02:05.09 | darth_mall | it's something Seth Green is doing |
| 02:05.15 | darth_mall | it's too funny |
| 02:05.25 | ChipX86 | yay, Sarah Fimm - Sexual Animals |
| 02:05.58 | kergoth | who's sarah fimm? |
| 02:06.03 | ChipX86 | some independent artist |
| 02:06.10 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:06.12 | ChipX86 | let me hsow you the lyrics ;) |
| 02:06.26 | ChipX86 | http://sarahfimm.com/content.php?lyrics_sexualAnimals.txt |
| 02:07.10 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7104 10rio-karma/hardware/ethernet-fix-prototype.jpeg: Adding a photo of the prototype |
| 02:07.34 | darth_mall | reminds me of Closer, or Prison Sex, a bit |
| 02:08.12 | darth_mall | anyone have a good torrents site besides mininova? |
| 02:09.45 | pagefault | wee scotchtoberfest |
| 02:13.46 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:14.06 | scanline | so I can always get to anything I've heard recently |
| 02:14.51 | file | The Life of the Wife is Ended By The Knife.. |
| 02:15.49 | TD | you know |
| 02:15.50 | darth_mall | scanline: pants? |
| 02:16.00 | TD | one day i will make my own distro |
| 02:16.12 | TD | and it will consist of an rsync server. it will not have packages |
| 02:16.22 | TD | updating your system will entail doing an rsync update |
| 02:16.27 | TD | and installing it will be a direct dd |
| 02:16.37 | TD | therefore it will not take >1hr to install |
| 02:17.09 | purple_cow | kergoth: which? :) |
| 02:17.49 | kergoth | purple_cow: beekeeper. |
| 02:17.56 | purple_cow | speaking of buying albums... |
| 02:18.06 | purple_cow | darth_mall: you should have your brother quote me a price on the dresden dolls :) |
| 02:18.31 | scanline | and here I go cleaning up my desk *after* taking that picture... |
| 02:18.41 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 02:18.45 | file | scanline: before/after! |
| 02:18.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:19.14 | scanline | nah, it was way too much work getting pictures off purple_cow's camera |
| 02:19.25 | file | ah darn |
| 02:20.59 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:21.14 | scanline | the messiness of my desk seems proportional to the number of microcontroller and embedded systems programming adaptors are on it |
| 02:24.41 | purple_cow | it's much easier to just use the usb cable + gphoto |
| 02:26.36 | purple_cow | time to make dinner |
| 02:27.00 | ChipX86 | scanline: have you enabled the menu sound effects? |
| 02:29.24 | scanline | ChipX86: tried it, but I think I prefer them off |
| 02:29.26 | scanline | purple_cow: of course I used the hard way- my laptop's pcmcia is flakier than the flakiest think you can imagine.. including croissants! |
| 02:29.33 | file | mmm croissants |
| 02:29.35 | scanline | s/think/thing/ |
| 02:30.07 | ChipX86 | aw but they're cute |
| 02:30.57 | scanline | they sound like breakout :) |
| 02:31.01 | ChipX86 | yeah! |
| 02:31.36 | scanline | yay |
| 02:31.41 | scanline | the ethernet seems to be quite reliable now |
| 02:31.51 | scanline | hurry up on that plugin ;) |
| 02:33.31 | ChipX86 | Theatre of Tragedy distracted me :( |
| 02:33.37 | ChipX86 | I'm enjoying the shivers and goosebumps some of their songs give me |
| 02:35.06 | ChipX86 | scanline: the library sucks. THere isn't even an install target :/ |
| 02:35.36 | scanline | uhhuh, but you could just package a copy of it with your plugin |
| 02:35.41 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:35.42 | scanline | if it's worth using |
| 02:35.54 | ChipX86 | I'm tempted to just fork it and namespace everything :) |
| 02:37.38 | scanline | heh. their riocp program doesn't exactly give any feedback while it's copying |
| 02:37.44 | scanline | or when it's done |
| 02:37.46 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 02:37.47 | ChipX86 | great |
| 02:37.53 | scanline | maybe |
| 02:38.05 | scanline | oh, now there's the "communicating" screen |
| 02:38.21 | scanline | ah, it does tell you when each song finishes |
| 02:38.24 | scanline | that was just a really big file |
| 02:38.53 | scanline | guh |
| 02:39.07 | scanline | it has "[karmalib 0.1]" on the playback screen |
| 02:39.12 | ChipX86 | wtf |
| 02:39.14 | ChipX86 | forking. |
| 02:39.14 | scanline | I think that's in the album name field |
| 02:39.23 | scanline | yep :) |
| 02:39.29 | ChipX86 | that is so stupid |
| 02:40.17 | scanline | well, that song did have an empty album field.. maybe it just stuck that crap there as default |
| 02:40.53 | kergoth | god ripping & encoding takes ages on this box |
| 02:42.37 | scanline | ChipX86: yeah. no [karmalib 0.1] nonsense if a track is fully tagged |
| 02:42.55 | scanline | still, that's awful silly |
| 02:42.57 | ChipX86 | why would it be there in the first place? :P |
| 02:44.01 | scanline | ooh |
| 02:44.07 | scanline | it gives you this giant KARMA_DB file in the current directory |
| 02:44.11 | scanline | looks like a metadata cache |
| 02:44.18 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 02:44.42 | file | silly scanline with his hacking |
| 02:45.10 | ChipX86 | osiris or osiris-misc for a repo? |
| 02:46.13 | ChipX86 | osiris-misc is fine I guess |
| 02:46.30 | scanline | hah |
| 02:46.36 | scanline | I didn't know about ftw(3) before |
| 02:46.42 | scanline | that's handy |
| 02:47.19 | scanline | huh |
| 02:47.25 | scanline | what the... |
| 02:47.30 | scanline | riocp uses nested functions |
| 02:47.37 | scanline | is that a gcc extension? |
| 02:47.56 | ChipX86 | C99 I think |
| 02:48.29 | scanline | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Nested-Functions.html |
| 02:48.30 | scanline | creepy |
| 02:49.12 | scanline | it has lexical scoping, but it's not really useful without having a language that refcounts stack frames |
| 02:50.09 | ChipX86 | 500 internal server error. Awesome |
| 02:50.17 | scanline | where? |
| 02:50.23 | ChipX86 | osiris-misc |
| 02:50.29 | scanline | yay |
| 02:51.07 | CIA-3 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r1 10/ (branches/ releases/ tags/ trunk/): And osiris-misc was born! |
| 02:51.10 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 02:51.14 | scanline | yay |
| 02:51.19 | slimspace | wow, that's cool, lexical scoping in C. |
| 02:51.45 | purple_cow | ooh, ftw is nifty |
| 02:51.51 | ChipX86 | wow, neat |
| 02:52.32 | purple_cow | hmm, so now that my dinner is ready, what am i going to watch? |
| 02:52.42 | scanline | this rio is so cute |
| 02:53.03 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 02:53.34 | scanline | wow, this jeff guy on freebsd sure is busy |
| 02:53.53 | ChipX86 | help me find a non-idle person in #commits :) |
| 02:53.58 | ChipX86 | without letting the person know |
| 02:54.06 | ChipX86 | oh here we go |
| 02:54.10 | purple_cow | scanline: looks like all MFCs |
| 02:54.13 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:54.14 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah |
| 02:54.19 | CIA-3 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r2 10gnome-vfs-riokarma/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add gnome-vfs-riokarma. It doesn't even compile yet, so don't get too excited. Yes, I'm talking to you, STalKer-X! |
| 02:54.25 | scanline | merge from... I forget what the C stands for |
| 02:54.28 | purple_cow | current |
| 02:54.30 | scanline | ah |
| 02:54.43 | scanline | ChipX86: hehe |
| 02:55.02 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 02:55.23 | ChipX86 | I love how he feels the need to explain himself |
| 02:55.35 | ChipX86 | yes you should :D |
| 02:55.38 | ChipX86 | twas fun |
| 02:55.59 | scanline | hrm |
| 02:57.00 | scanline | har |
| 02:57.00 | scanline | tools/rio_rw.h:#define NOT_TAGGED "[karmalib 0.1]" |
| 02:57.05 | ChipX86 | hah. |
| 02:57.29 | file | sillyness |
| 02:59.04 | ChipX86 | hahah |
| 02:59.08 | purple_cow | now, we transformers don't have organic internal organs, so we can't get cancer, but you do, and you can |
| 02:59.20 | ChipX86 | poor guy |
| 02:59.39 | purple_cow | darth_mall: this show is pretty screwed up :) |
| 03:00.16 | kergoth | this slow ass audio encode is making me want to buy that xpc more |
| 03:00.25 | purple_cow | mmmmm xpc |
| 03:01.13 | scanline | ChipX86: ick. looks like the delete menu doesn't see tracks that start with a [ |
| 03:01.18 | scanline | er, albums |
| 03:01.21 | ChipX86 | wonderful. |
| 03:01.27 | ChipX86 | the idiot :P |
| 03:02.23 | kergoth | purple_cow: so, scanline was saying you like them. how's the quality? the cases are sturdy and all? and what about noise? |
| 03:02.28 | kergoth | purple_cow: (xpcs that is) |
| 03:02.37 | kergoth | purple_cow: thinking about picking up an athlon64 one |
| 03:02.54 | purple_cow | kergoth: high quality, sturdy, quiet |
| 03:03.15 | kergoth | okay then |
| 03:03.17 | purple_cow | the biggest noise problem i ran into was that the video cards i ordered for these didn't do fan management properly in text mode :) |
| 03:03.44 | kergoth | guess i'll get it then. i havent upgraded my machine in many years |
| 03:03.47 | kergoth | its time |
| 03:04.02 | purple_cow | the internal design is amazing. they've got routing for all the cables to keep airflow/assembly happy |
| 03:04.44 | kergoth | in other news, i no longer spill liquids on myself when drinking w/ the hole in my lip |
| 03:04.51 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:04.51 | kergoth | which is nice |
| 03:05.20 | file | does that mean you're back to drinking again? |
| 03:06.07 | scanline | ChipX86: the battery on the karma sure charges fast... seems like their AC adaptor is rated at 2A for a reason ;) |
| 03:06.35 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 03:06.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.57 | ChipX86 | I keep wondering if I would have liked an iriver better, but I do like the karma so far, aside from the software issues |
| 03:07.18 | purple_cow | hmm, now what am i going to watch... |
| 03:07.33 | scanline | hah. you can tell when the hard disk spins down- sometimes after seeking in a really big file it takes a sec for the music to buffer |
| 03:07.47 | kergoth | heh, i bought _8_ albums at tower records today |
| 03:07.52 | kergoth | i really cannot be trusted to go there |
| 03:07.53 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 03:07.56 | ChipX86 | kergoth: hah |
| 03:08.01 | purple_cow | ouch |
| 03:08.04 | purple_cow | they're so expensive :( |
| 03:08.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:08.10 | kergoth | over a hundred bucks |
| 03:08.11 | kergoth | nuts |
| 03:08.23 | file | you spend money left and right |
| 03:08.24 | scanline | ew |
| 03:08.38 | scanline | it's a good think kergoth has lots of money for his electric bill and such :P |
| 03:08.51 | kergoth | bought tori amos, juno reactor's latest, le tigre's latest, crossfade, the donnas new one, dj tiesto's new one, and two random albums from artists i'd never heard of |
| 03:08.57 | kergoth | scanline: i have money, i just dont seem to spend it on time |
| 03:09.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:09.14 | file | ah le tigre |
| 03:09.18 | scanline | kergoth: seems like every couple weeks you're in serious financial trouble until you get your paycheck :P |
| 03:09.35 | ChipX86 | that reminds me ... |
| 03:09.54 | kergoth | scanline: thats when all the late fees on bills pile up |
| 03:09.57 | ChipX86 | woah, I got paid |
| 03:10.02 | ChipX86 | and I have never seen so much money in my life |
| 03:10.03 | kergoth | scanline: if i could just pay them on time, i could support myself fine |
| 03:10.04 | kergoth | :\ |
| 03:10.08 | kergoth | ChipX86: yay |
| 03:10.10 | ChipX86 | too bad it's going to bills |
| 03:10.15 | ChipX86 | well, part of it |
| 03:10.27 | file | that reminds me, I get paid Monday |
| 03:10.37 | kergoth | when i saw that profit sharing + normal check deposit of $9,000 the other day |
| 03:10.41 | kergoth | i did a little dance </gir> |
| 03:10.59 | ChipX86 | geeze.. something seems wrong with that amount of money though |
| 03:11.12 | ChipX86 | no wait, I guess that's right |
| 03:11.15 | file | ChipX86: is it far too big? |
| 03:11.24 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:11.30 | ChipX86 | it was about $1000 more than I thought I was getting, but I think I was just off in how much I had |
| 03:11.36 | file | ah |
| 03:11.51 | kergoth | purple_cow: nice |
| 03:11.58 | kergoth | tax refunds. gotta love em |
| 03:12.01 | darth_mall | http://host128.ipowerweb.com/~dojopres/catalog.books3.html <--- wow... all I can say is, wow |
| 03:12.03 | ChipX86 | I need to file taxes |
| 03:12.11 | purple_cow | yay for the tax prep guy basically getting everything back for me |
| 03:12.21 | kergoth | i bought th white's the once and future king today. never got around to reading that |
| 03:12.54 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 03:13.11 | ChipX86 | I know I paid my electric bill, but bank of america has no record of it, and neither does the electric company |
| 03:13.15 | ChipX86 | they sent me a letter |
| 03:13.20 | scanline | ChipX86: where's osiris-misc? |
| 03:13.20 | kergoth | doh |
| 03:13.21 | ChipX86 | but I remember very specifically |
| 03:13.23 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 03:13.25 | purple_cow | http://host128.ipowerweb.com/~dojopres/catalogbk63.html |
| 03:13.27 | ChipX86 | scanline: http://osiris.chipx86.com/svn/osiris-misc |
| 03:13.33 | scanline | aha |
| 03:14.38 | file | I have cookies upstairs, I forgot |
| 03:14.49 | ChipX86 | awwww damnit |
| 03:14.52 | ChipX86 | that letter was late |
| 03:14.56 | ChipX86 | I just got my bill and it said I *did* pay it off |
| 03:14.58 | ChipX86 | so now I paid it twice. |
| 03:15.03 | scanline | yay :P |
| 03:15.06 | file | eh you'll just get a credit |
| 03:15.30 | purple_cow | darth_mall: when are you coming back to boulder? |
| 03:15.33 | ChipX86 | oh I can cancel |
| 03:15.37 | darth_mall | tomorrow sometime |
| 03:15.43 | file | hrm, buy a car and get a Dell Dimension 3000 computer? |
| 03:15.46 | file | sign me up! |
| 03:16.10 | ChipX86 | ok I'm confused about the whole thing |
| 03:17.27 | ChipX86 | this is Palo Alto and they have no tie-in with bankofamerica e-bills.. *sigh* |
| 03:18.49 | ChipX86 | yay! |
| 03:18.58 | file | but only if you're good |
| 03:19.04 | ChipX86 | awww |
| 03:20.26 | kergoth | this shirt at condfw said: Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil. |
| 03:20.33 | ChipX86 | hahah |
| 03:22.49 | kergoth | ChipX86: they had an 'Abolish Mornings' bumper sticker. |
| 03:22.55 | kergoth | it wasnt as good as destroy mornings though. |
| 03:23.03 | scanline | hah |
| 03:23.05 | scanline | http://www.pycage.de/coding_pyvfsmodule.html |
| 03:23.19 | purple_cow | and once again, kirk says "we mean you no harm" after the photon torpedos don't work |
| 03:23.48 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 03:23.51 | purple_cow | scanline: neat |
| 03:25.48 | purple_cow | pearl? |
| 03:25.53 | purple_cow | was that the blender thing? |
| 03:26.01 | scanline | that's what they call the protocol this rio uses over TCP |
| 03:26.13 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 03:36.39 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:36.47 | scanline | I should have used SSDP for fyre cluster autodetection |
| 03:37.01 | scanline | it's similar to what I implemented, but better |
| 03:37.14 | purple_cow | yay for prelink -faRm |
| 03:37.19 | scanline | :) |
| 03:37.24 | purple_cow | almost as good a command as vlock -yakka |
| 03:39.04 | scanline | wowee |
| 03:39.16 | scanline | the karma sends out a ton of neat SSDP announcements when it comes online |
| 03:39.27 | ChipX86 | oh? |
| 03:39.28 | scanline | it would rock if it just showed up on the nautilus desktop when you put it in the cradle |
| 03:39.33 | ChipX86 | yeah really |
| 03:39.39 | ChipX86 | want to write that part? |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | from twisted.internet.protocol import DatagramProtocol |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | from twisted.internet import reactor |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | class SSDP(DatagramProtocol): |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.47 | scanline | SSDP_PORT = 1900 |
| 03:39.49 | scanline | SSDP_ADDR = '239.255.255.250' |
| 03:39.51 | scanline | port = reactor.listenMulticast(SSDP_PORT, SSDP(), SSDP_ADDR) |
| 03:39.53 | scanline | port.joinGroup(SSDP_ADDR) |
| 03:39.55 | scanline | reactor.run() |
| 03:39.57 | scanline | er |
| 03:39.59 | scanline | pasted the wrong thing, sorry |
| 03:39.59 | kergoth | yay multicast. |
| 03:40.01 | scanline | but that's a tiny twisted program that will show you the SSDP packets |
| 03:40.10 | scanline | http://frungy.org/~tpot/weblog/2005/02/19 <-- from here |
| 03:40.13 | kergoth | i should write that network device discovery library i wanted to do |
| 03:40.55 | scanline | SERVER: Linux/2.4 UPnP/1.0 Pearl/1.0 |
| 03:40.57 | scanline | that's odd |
| 03:41.05 | scanline | I thought this ran eCos.. but that's saying it runs linux |
| 03:41.21 | ChipX86 | I read eCos too |
| 03:41.42 | *** join/#tacobeam file (~file@mctn1-8179.nb.aliant.net) |
| 03:41.48 | scanline | NT: urn:empeg-com:protocol2 |
| 03:41.50 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 03:49.23 | kergoth | note to self: dont go out and get something pierced on a whim without telling your gf first. it tends to be a bit of a shock |
| 03:49.43 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:50.26 | CIA-3 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r3 10libriokarma/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Added libriokarma. This doesn't do anything yet either, STalKer-X. |
| 03:50.46 | ChipX86 | poor guy. |
| 03:50.58 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:51.15 | scanline | :) |
| 03:58.07 | ChipX86 | now how do I want to do this api |
| 03:58.16 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:58.33 | ChipX86 | hrm, I didn't take this into account.. |
| 03:58.38 | scanline | doubt it will be as useful as a gnome-vfs module, but I could do other crazy things with it |
| 03:58.44 | ChipX86 | I'd need to use libflac and libvorbis and stuff to pull out info from the files |
| 04:08.18 | scanline | hmm neat |
| 04:15.27 | scanline | ooh wow |
| 04:15.39 | scanline | lookit all those files |
| 04:17.06 | scanline | capabilities=;read_content;utf8;rewrite_metadata;file_replace;playlists;root_playlist;played_statistics; |
| 04:17.07 | scanline | codecs=;mp3;wma;vorbis;flac;wave; |
| 04:17.07 | scanline | device_generation=1109426882 |
| 04:17.07 | scanline | device_id=0x5210 |
| 04:17.07 | scanline | firmware_version=1.68 |
| 04:17.09 | scanline | cool |
| 04:22.18 | ChipX86 | "Good news, everyone! Report to my room for a private exhibition!" |
| 04:34.30 | rioter | haha |
| 04:44.40 | purple_cow | ya know what i could really use right now? |
| 04:44.41 | purple_cow | a pie |
| 04:45.00 | kergoth | for eating or throwing? |
| 04:45.03 | purple_cow | eating |
| 04:45.09 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 04:45.16 | ChipX86 | pie would be good |
| 04:45.19 | ChipX86 | I should make a cake |
| 04:46.32 | purple_cow | yay for prelink finding a handful of broken binaries |
| 04:58.10 | ChipX86 | my neighbor has the most annoying laugh |
| 04:58.16 | ChipX86 | and it's *loud* |
| 04:59.16 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 04:59.18 | purple_cow | =( |
| 04:59.20 | ChipX86 | Jamie was in the shower again |
| 04:59.24 | ChipX86 | my timing is amazing |
| 05:00.31 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:00.36 | purple_cow | it's a conspiracy |
| 05:07.52 | kergoth | i like this book. quite well written |
| 05:27.35 | *** join/#tacobeam Nara (~Stardustc@adsl-64-169-155-228.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 05:27.40 | ChipX86 | Amanda! |
| 05:27.46 | Nara | Christian! |
| 05:28.13 | rioter | jared! |
| 05:28.35 | Nara | The yaoiforever people are silent. I think they're watching porn. |
| 05:28.54 | Nara | ^__^ Those crazy folk |
| 05:29.23 | scanline | oh no, a person! |
| 05:29.39 | Nara | ara...? |
| 05:29.47 | scanline | over there! |
| 05:32.33 | Nara | Muffins are good for the soul, and incidently, your balanced breakfast |
| 05:33.03 | purple_cow | you mean those aren't the same thing? |
| 05:33.41 | Nara | I'm not sure. Perhaps in an alternate universe. |
| 05:35.44 | purple_cow | aha! openmotif is installing itself into a wonky directory but not sticking anything in env.d |
| 05:36.03 | ChipX86 | silly openmotif |
| 05:36.37 | purple_cow | yep, someone beat me to it |
| 05:38.23 | ChipX86 | kinda back |
| 05:38.29 | ChipX86 | but about to run to the store to get cake stuff |
| 05:38.35 | scanline | ooh, cake |
| 05:38.52 | ChipX86 | and incidentally, I find it funny that a 40 min phone conversation with Jamie is now considered short. |
| 05:39.20 | ChipX86 | Nara: stay here, I'll brb :) |
| 05:41.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:45.04 | *** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.88.65) |
| 05:49.09 | scanline | whoops |
| 05:49.14 | scanline | __main__.ProtocolError: Connection is out of sync, request #3 received a reply for #2378525010 |
| 05:51.07 | scanline | woo |
| 05:54.42 | laodamas | It was round and soft...Now get back to work |
| 05:55.16 | Nara | round and soft....round and soft.... |
| 05:55.24 | Nara | A peach? |
| 05:55.39 | purple_cow | it would sure be nice if it wouldn't swap the positions of my panels every time i logged in =P |
| 05:56.13 | laodamas | Nara needs to see American Astronaut |
| 05:56.16 | purple_cow | laodamas: =D |
| 05:56.27 | Nara | Do I? |
| 05:56.40 | Nara | I suppose I do. |
| 05:57.05 | scanline | laodamas: =D |
| 05:58.37 | purple_cow | Nara: don't feel bad. the art-house cinema is a dying breed |
| 05:59.12 | Nara | ^_^;; |
| 05:59.45 | scanline | (>")> |
| 05:59.56 | ChipX86 | back |
| 06:00.02 | scanline | <("<) |
| 06:00.06 | ChipX86 | the universe slapped me in the face, and it hurts! |
| 06:00.31 | ChipX86 | the albertsons next to me is closing down. The nearest one is a mile away :/ |
| 06:00.40 | purple_cow | hmm, scanline is whistling improvised counterpoint |
| 06:00.56 | rioter | whats this albertsons you speak off? |
| 06:01.00 | ChipX86 | grocery store |
| 06:01.05 | rioter | ah ok |
| 06:01.08 | ChipX86 | so yeah, time to get my license and a car |
| 06:01.16 | rioter | get them to deliver |
| 06:01.27 | ChipX86 | this is Silicon Valley. We don't have grocery delivery services here! ;) |
| 06:01.41 | scanline | I was whistling? |
| 06:03.36 | Nara | Chip: Damn right you'll have to get a car and license. Then you can visit us more often instead of us dealing with crazy traffic down there. |
| 06:03.43 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:04.00 | ChipX86 | ok, going to make an appointment monday I guess |
| 06:04.07 | ChipX86 | get some practice, then take the test |
| 06:04.54 | rioter | ill teach you to drive, with a beer in your hand. |
| 06:05.07 | Nara | O_O |
| 06:05.19 | ChipX86 | silly australians and their beer and jelly |
| 06:05.35 | scanline | yaknow.. I wonder if it's just me, or if the rio has better audio quality than my desktop machine |
| 06:05.44 | ChipX86 | scanline: that's how it feels here too |
| 06:05.46 | scanline | I wouldn't be surprised, yoshi is probably really electrically noisy |
| 06:06.02 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:06.03 | scanline | yeah |
| 06:06.11 | scanline | if I pause it and turn up the amp, there's almost no hiss |
| 06:06.16 | scanline | there was a relatively lous one with yoshi |
| 06:06.22 | ChipX86 | Nara: what happened to yours? |
| 06:06.57 | ChipX86 | wow, Super Milk Chan is bizarre |
| 06:07.08 | Nara | Mine is old and crappy and refuses to work, Chel's crashed spectacularly, and Dell's refuses to start unless under very specific circumstances |
| 06:07.23 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 06:07.35 | purple_cow | scanline: well, it helps that the electronics are all isolated from everything :) |
| 06:07.38 | scanline | oooh |
| 06:07.48 | scanline | I think this python module for the karma might require python 2.4 |
| 06:08.03 | scanline | they added a double-ended queue data type in the new collections module |
| 06:08.55 | scanline | or I guess I could settle on a list, unless I find it's a performance bottleneck |
| 06:10.26 | Nara | Chippy, that program you gave me, Azureus, well, now that my settings are Japanese, even though all my programs still have English, that one is now in Japanese...V__V;; |
| 06:11.04 | ChipX86 | oh, yeah. Hrm, not sure what to do about that aside from going back to English |
| 06:11.32 | laodamas | yay ultraviolence |
| 06:11.52 | ChipX86 | me neither |
| 06:12.48 | ChipX86 | Nara: what'd you think of the chicken? |
| 06:12.58 | Nara | It was cute! |
| 06:13.10 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 06:15.29 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 06:18.09 | Nara | What she say? |
| 06:18.17 | ChipX86 | " Hooray for chicken! it results in birth!" |
| 06:18.30 | ChipX86 | she said it was a bad inside joke |
| 06:19.05 | Nara | Oh, its probably something Engrish-y |
| 06:20.44 | Nara | Do you think its a crime to like a Vanessa Carlton song? |
| 06:20.54 | nullpuppy | hmm.. who is Nara? |
| 06:21.03 | ChipX86 | Amanda, one of my friends from Chico |
| 06:21.08 | Nara | XD |
| 06:21.10 | ChipX86 | Nara: I actually don't know who that is |
| 06:21.15 | nullpuppy | ah, hiya Nara :) |
| 06:21.24 | Nara | Hi! I'm crazy! |
| 06:21.29 | nullpuppy | yay! |
| 06:21.30 | kergoth | yay crazy |
| 06:21.35 | ChipX86 | crazy fits in well here |
| 06:21.39 | ChipX86 | ~gir |
| 06:21.40 | jbot | from memory, gir is a very spiffy robot from Invader Zim. Perhaps you meant 'emulate gir'. |
| 06:21.40 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 06:21.43 | ChipX86 | er |
| 06:21.44 | ChipX86 | ~emulate gir |
| 06:21.45 | jbot | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 06:21.54 | Nara | Chip: She's kinda a pop, girl-power, flower child singer |
| 06:22.01 | nullpuppy | jbot: botsnack |
| 06:22.01 | jbot | aw, gee, nullpuppy |
| 06:22.05 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 06:22.06 | jbot | THE CANDY ZOMBIES! |
| 06:22.25 | ChipX86 | Nara: oh. I don't see anything wrong with that, unless she eats puppies |
| 06:22.35 | Nara | No. No puppy eating |
| 06:23.26 | CIA-3 | osiris-misc: 03chipx86 * r4 10libriokarma/libriokarma/ (riokarma.c riokarma.h): Yay, it compiles and actually has CODE in it! |
| 06:23.32 | scanline | :) |
| 06:23.50 | CIA-3 | *purr* |
| 06:24.21 | Nara | O___o |
| 06:24.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7105 10rio-karma/python/ (. RioKarma.py): |
| 06:24.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: Add the beginnings of a Twisted implementation of the Rio Karma protocol. It has |
| 06:24.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: a nice buffering and request/response encoding/decoding infrastructure now, and |
| 06:24.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: it can authenticate with the device. Only a few basic requests beyond that are |
| 06:24.39 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: implemented, such as GetDeviceDetails. |
| 06:24.44 | ChipX86 | CIA's our little commit bot that scanline wrote as part of his personal world domination effort |
| 06:24.50 | scanline | >:) |
| 06:25.26 | Nara | riiight |
| 06:25.52 | ChipX86 | we're writing software to work with our rios |
| 06:26.07 | ChipX86 | erm, scanline is further ahead than I am.. |
| 06:26.18 | ChipX86 | that's ok :) |
| 06:26.23 | scanline | I still have no idea what I'm going to do with this python library, but it's fun ;) |
| 06:27.07 | ChipX86 | scanline: you can convert it to inline code and have the C library execute it using an embedded python interpreter, and then you can write a python lib to wrap it |
| 06:27.18 | scanline | yes! |
| 06:27.20 | scanline | or... |
| 06:27.22 | scanline | that other thing... |
| 06:27.23 | scanline | no! |
| 06:27.26 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 06:27.40 | ChipX86 | Nara: PotC? |
| 06:27.49 | scanline | implementing protocols in python is always more fun |
| 06:27.50 | scanline | class Request_GetAuthenticationSalt(FixedRequest): |
| 06:27.50 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.50 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.50 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.53 | Nara | Pirates of the Carribean |
| 06:27.56 | ChipX86 | ohh |
| 06:27.58 | ChipX86 | wow. |
| 06:28.18 | Nara | Pintel and Ragetti |
| 06:28.22 | Nara | wh00t |
| 06:29.11 | Nara | Who? |
| 06:29.25 | ChipX86 | a couple people from this channel. Thought I'd introduce you :) |
| 06:29.50 | purple_cow | urgh |
| 06:30.06 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 06:30.36 | purple_cow | ChipX86: dunno, just ill |
| 06:30.42 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 06:31.11 | Nara | purple_cow: coughing fits? |
| 06:31.34 | ChipX86 | Nara: are those any better today? |
| 06:31.49 | Nara | no. getting worse |
| 06:31.53 | ChipX86 | aww :( |
| 06:32.32 | purple_cow | Nara: no, just headache/nausea |
| 06:32.52 | Nara | aww. that sucks |
| 06:33.30 | ChipX86 | Nara: hrm well, I may be in Chico next weekend.. hope you're better before I get there :/ |
| 06:33.42 | ChipX86 | thought we could all go out for dinner |
| 06:34.54 | Nara | sounds like a plan. Joe wants to hang out while you're here. We should all go out to Yume Buffet or something |
| 06:35.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:37.10 | Nara | maaan, my headache was going away. Now its back |
| 06:37.21 | ChipX86 | it's going to be a cramped weekend. I'm going to be split between you guys, Jamie, and Jenna :) |
| 06:37.24 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 06:37.33 | ChipX86 | *rubs Amanda's head with ice* |
| 06:38.39 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 06:39.19 | Nara | http://www.deviantart.com/view/15574961/ |
| 06:39.55 | Nara | Ice |
| 06:41.07 | nullpuppy | careful |
| 06:41.10 | nullpuppy | you might never return |
| 06:41.15 | Nara | indeed |
| 06:41.17 | ChipX86 | one can only hope |
| 06:41.21 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:42.19 | Nara | Its a gorgeous picture. I really, really wouldn't mind rubbing up against that. |
| 06:42.45 | ChipX86 | I'm sure ;) |
| 06:42.47 | Nara | 'Cept he's a dog. And kinda annoying. |
| 06:42.56 | ChipX86 | oddly shaped dog |
| 06:43.12 | Nara | He's been granted the ability to be human |
| 06:43.32 | Nara | He's a side character in a webcomic called Pandect |
| 06:44.38 | purple_cow | yay mindless violence |
| 06:45.20 | ChipX86 | Nara: I *almost* told Jamie about that dream, but decided it may not be for the best at this point |
| 06:45.35 | Nara | Indeed |
| 06:46.17 | kergoth | hah. you telling her probably wouldve resulted in a plight thatd be entertaining for us to hear, though |
| 06:46.26 | ChipX86 | yes, probably |
| 06:46.34 | nullpuppy | hmm... what dream? |
| 06:47.11 | ChipX86 | erm, it was nothing, nothing at all |
| 06:47.20 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 06:47.24 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 06:47.26 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 06:48.17 | ChipX86 | it was just a nice dream about my friends |
| 06:48.42 | nullpuppy | hehe, ok ;) |
| 06:50.57 | Nara | I'd tease, but I promised I wouldn't. |
| 06:51.08 | ChipX86 | you can tease |
| 06:51.25 | ChipX86 | just don't want it to somehow make its way back to Jamie just yet :P |
| 06:51.32 | Nara | lol |
| 06:51.36 | scanline | damn. I might just be going crazy, but this sounds so much better |
| 06:51.42 | Nara | You're too cute, Chippy |
| 06:51.45 | ChipX86 | scanline: yay! impulse buys good |
| 06:51.48 | scanline | yes |
| 06:51.55 | ChipX86 | Nara: *blush* |
| 06:52.04 | scanline | ChipX86: I'm a lot happier with it now that my ethernet works ;) |
| 06:52.09 | Nara | XP |
| 06:52.22 | ChipX86 | scanline: now you should interface it with the rasterwand |
| 06:52.26 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:52.53 | Nara | blargghhh...I'm sore and the Nyquil's getting to me. I go to bed now |
| 06:52.58 | ChipX86 | aww :( |
| 06:53.02 | ChipX86 | feel better, ok? |
| 06:53.07 | Nara | I'll try |
| 06:53.19 | Nara | night night all, nice to meet you |
| 06:53.20 | ChipX86 | *hug* hope to see you on IRC more now |
| 06:53.24 | Nara | ^__^ |
| 06:53.33 | ChipX86 | sleep well, goodnight |
| 06:54.45 | ChipX86 | poor girl. She's been sick with the flu for two weeks now |
| 06:55.21 | kergoth | :\ |
| 06:58.20 | ChipX86 | guess I should start the cake making |
| 06:59.44 | hardwire | node002:~# uptime |
| 06:59.44 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.49 | hardwire | thats pretty amazing |
| 06:59.58 | hardwire | concidering its a 12v/5Ah battery powering it |
| 07:00.07 | scanline | heh |
| 07:00.15 | hardwire | thats more like +12 minutes |
| 07:00.17 | hardwire | but oh well |
| 07:00.27 | scanline | it's not much different from a laptop :P |
| 07:00.41 | hardwire | heh |
| 07:00.48 | hardwire | I have 6500mAh in my laptop |
| 07:01.23 | hardwire | either way |
| 07:01.24 | hardwire | in the end |
| 07:01.30 | hardwire | we will be using 140Ah batteries |
| 07:02.12 | hardwire | it should last for apx 9 days |
| 07:02.19 | hardwire | before the battery needs to be recharged |
| 07:02.43 | hardwire | the funny thing about that .. is that we are going to throw 12V@40A at the battery |
| 07:02.53 | hardwire | whenever it needs to be recharged.. using a generator |
| 07:03.13 | hardwire | I just need to find the hardware to switch from battery to the DC from the generator w/o a dropout/spike |
| 07:03.41 | hardwire | as well as something to read the current voltage so I know when to turn on the generator |
| 07:04.32 | scanline | yow.. 140Ah |
| 07:04.40 | scanline | that's what, a few car batteries? |
| 07:05.54 | hardwire | one battery |
| 07:06.03 | hardwire | http://www.powerstream.com/12V-backup.htm |
| 07:06.34 | hardwire | I need one of those that can push around 40A instead of 6A |
| 07:07.53 | hardwire | http://www.innovative.co.nz/NoBreakHome.htm |
| 07:09.41 | hardwire | hmm |
| 07:09.44 | hardwire | thats DC 200V in |
| 07:09.45 | hardwire | heh |
| 07:11.09 | kergoth | purple_cow: heh, when i finish my ripping of these new albums |
| 07:11.20 | kergoth | purple_cow: i'll have the required 50 rips to get access to the real ubernet servers |
| 07:11.30 | kergoth | purple_cow: (right now i'm only on the training area) |
| 07:11.35 | kergoth | so soon, the access will be greatly improved |
| 07:12.22 | purple_cow | cool |
| 07:13.05 | kergoth | hrm, they require at least one soundtrack |
| 07:13.11 | kergoth | i dont know if i even own any |
| 07:14.47 | hardwire | scanline: hahah.. so.. I can have a really neat system of 6v batteries hooked up |
| 07:14.54 | hardwire | err nm |
| 07:15.08 | hardwire | you are never supposed to draw in series of batteries at different charge states huh |
| 07:15.19 | scanline | that's in parallel |
| 07:15.24 | scanline | though it isn't great in series either |
| 07:15.31 | hardwire | well I was just thinking |
| 07:15.38 | hardwire | I could put 5-6 6v in series |
| 07:15.45 | hardwire | and plop that into a dc/dc |
| 07:15.58 | scanline | putting batteries in series is usually just fine as long as they're about the same age |
| 07:16.01 | hardwire | and I can have a pic go around and control the relays for the charger unit |
| 07:16.09 | hardwire | and take one of the batteries offline |
| 07:16.12 | hardwire | charge it.. |
| 07:16.14 | scanline | putting them in parallel is fine as long as you make sure they're at the same voltage first |
| 07:16.16 | hardwire | bring it back in to the series |
| 07:16.25 | scanline | heh |
| 07:16.29 | hardwire | then go to the next |
| 07:16.39 | scanline | how are you going to take one battery out without losing power if they're in series? |
| 07:16.44 | scanline | I think you really mean parallel... |
| 07:16.46 | hardwire | relay. |
| 07:17.36 | scanline | if you disconnect one battery from a string that's in series, you break the circuit and get nothing out |
| 07:17.38 | hardwire | the DC/DC should compensate for the nanosecond dropout it takes for the big relays that do dual passthru |
| 07:17.43 | scanline | nanosecond? |
| 07:17.49 | scanline | it's more like several milliseconds |
| 07:17.57 | scanline | and what if your relay fails, or takes a little too long? |
| 07:18.01 | scanline | parallel would be much safer |
| 07:18.07 | hardwire | hmm. |
| 07:18.12 | scanline | several milliseconds for the best relays |
| 07:18.23 | hardwire | the big ass electromagnetic relays |
| 07:18.24 | scanline | could be hundreds of milliseconds for cheap or heavy-duty relays |
| 07:18.31 | hardwire | that you can make click a thousand times a second if you want |
| 07:18.35 | hardwire | well.. hundreds |
| 07:18.36 | hardwire | milli |
| 07:18.40 | hardwire | maybe fifty |
| 07:18.41 | hardwire | damnit |
| 07:18.41 | scanline | ok.. so that's still 10ms |
| 07:18.43 | hardwire | I hate you |
| 07:18.49 | scanline | heh |
| 07:18.53 | scanline | so stop bothering me :P |
| 07:18.59 | hardwire | never |
| 07:19.00 | ChipX86 | awwwwww |
| 07:19.07 | hardwire | its a love/hate thing.. all on my side |
| 07:19.11 | ChipX86 | damnit |
| 07:19.15 | hardwire | hmm |
| 07:19.16 | ChipX86 | Amanda IM'd me while I was in the kitchen |
| 07:19.24 | ChipX86 | but now she's offline |
| 07:19.26 | hardwire | so I might as well have two battery caches |
| 07:19.32 | ChipX86 | had something she needed to tell me I guess |
| 07:19.37 | hardwire | one being charged. |
| 07:19.49 | hardwire | and one operating |
| 07:20.11 | nullpuppy | hmm.. anyone familiar with using binary packages with gentoo? |
| 07:20.13 | hardwire | the DC/DC should feather out the switch |
| 07:20.21 | hardwire | nullpuppy: only losers |
| 07:20.29 | hardwire | aand probably kergoth. |
| 07:20.34 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 07:21.23 | hardwire | scanline: I think what I am going to do is buy that dc/dc battery backup unit |
| 07:21.43 | hardwire | and run the generator full |
| 07:21.55 | hardwire | and back it up with a 140Ah battery |
| 07:22.00 | hardwire | that way if the generator needs to be repaired |
| 07:22.09 | hardwire | we have 3 days ish to do just that |
| 07:24.39 | laodamas | yay! All 180 levels of Sonic Adventure 2 beaten with an "A" status. I can finally sleep happy! |
| 07:24.59 | hardwire | hmm |
| 07:25.22 | hardwire | this battery backup has a transformer holdout time of 20ms |
| 07:25.24 | hardwire | thats nice |
| 07:25.41 | laodamas | And now there's a nifty 3d version of Green Hill to play through |
| 07:30.26 | hardwire | Green Hill? |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7106 10rio-karma/python/RioKarma.py: |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: Implement one flavor of variable-length responses, and add a file-like |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: dictionary object that implements the rio's "property file" data type. This lets |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: us start implementing more interesting requests like GetDeviceSettings |
| 07:32.08 | scanline | mmm |
| 07:32.12 | scanline | this is going to be fairly efficient |
| 07:32.56 | laodamas | from the origianl Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog |
| 07:33.05 | hardwire | scanline: heh |
| 07:33.08 | hardwire | http://www.innovative.co.nz/PDF/DS-SR_No-Break_Application_Solutions.pdf |
| 07:33.09 | hardwire | ok |
| 07:33.14 | hardwire | thats about all I will bug you about today |
| 07:33.18 | ChipX86 | I'm losing all motivation to work on this library |
| 07:33.29 | hardwire | Solution 1 w/ 4 No-Breaks |
| 07:33.36 | hardwire | charging the battery at around 15A |
| 07:33.44 | hardwire | super redundancy at that point |
| 07:34.06 | scanline | heh |
| 07:34.16 | scanline | ChipX86: =( |
| 07:34.17 | purple_cow | blahhh |
| 07:34.19 | purple_cow | i hate being sick |
| 07:34.29 | hardwire | scanline: thinks that may be how it works? |
| 07:34.39 | scanline | hardwire: what's how what works? |
| 07:34.45 | hardwire | ok |
| 07:34.48 | hardwire | good enough for me |
| 07:34.57 | scanline | whatever |
| 07:41.27 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.33 | hardwire | I wish I knew what the voltage was |
| 07:41.39 | hardwire | I kinda left this unit online at theoffice |
| 07:41.54 | hardwire | if I get back t the office and my desk has a hole in it from a battery that freaked out.. I might get fired!! |
| 07:41.55 | hardwire | heh |
| 07:50.16 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:50.30 | scanline | music stopped while transferring its metadata database |
| 07:52.19 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7107 10rio-karma/python/RioKarma.py: Implemented some of the requests for retrieving file metadata, guessed meanings for several of the device's error codes. |
| 07:52.31 | ChipX86 | perhaps I should cod |
| 07:52.31 | ChipX86 | e |
| 07:56.07 | purple_cow | FUCKING PLUMBING |
| 07:56.18 | purple_cow | once again, while i was showering, the drain suddenly plugged up |
| 07:56.34 | purple_cow | at least this time i recognized what was happening before foul water came up from the drain =/ |
| 07:56.39 | scanline | bleh |
| 07:57.27 | ChipX86 | yay, Sean's being an ass again |
| 07:57.43 | purple_cow | scanline: the shower was draining fine |
| 07:58.03 | scanline | hm? |
| 07:58.15 | purple_cow | someone just now flushed something horrid |
| 07:58.25 | purple_cow | which (again) plugged up the main building sewer drain |
| 07:58.26 | scanline | oh. elsewhere in the building? |
| 07:59.05 | scanline | ew... I run help(mmpython), and the first thing in the module's description is a big freaking changelog |
| 07:59.12 | purple_cow | eww |
| 07:59.25 | scanline | $Log$ does *NOT* belong in the docstring damnit! |
| 07:59.44 | ChipX86 | wow |
| 07:59.56 | purple_cow | just enough time to rinse my hair and jump out before bubbles started coming up |
| 08:00.22 | scanline | time to listen to this album with my newly improved sound quality >:) |
| 08:00.26 | purple_cow | heh |
| 08:01.03 | ChipX86 | gnet is nice |
| 08:01.11 | ChipX86 | ugh time for the auth stuff |
| 08:01.33 | scanline | the auth is really easy |
| 08:01.43 | scanline | ask for the salt, md5(salt + password), send that |
| 08:01.59 | scanline | nearly the simplest possible challenge/response system |
| 08:02.21 | scanline | yay for mmpython |
| 08:02.28 | scanline | easy way to get metadata on nearly any file type |
| 08:03.08 | scanline | >>> i = mmpython.parse("/navi/media/audio/groups/Air/everybody_hertz/01_dont_be_light-edit.mp3") |
| 08:03.08 | scanline | >>> i.album |
| 08:03.08 | scanline | u'Everybody Hertz' |
| 08:03.08 | scanline | >>> i.artist |
| 08:03.08 | scanline | u'Air' |
| 08:03.09 | scanline | =D |
| 08:04.05 | ChipX86 | http://www.reaperworld.com/temp/fucksean |
| 08:05.47 | scanline | heh |
| 08:06.07 | scanline | what a guy |
| 08:06.10 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:06.16 | ChipX86 | did I tell you that Rob Flynn quit? |
| 08:06.19 | scanline | yep |
| 08:06.21 | ChipX86 | now Sean has 100% control over the project |
| 08:06.26 | scanline | so sad |
| 08:06.42 | ChipX86 | gaim will be forked. I hate that it'll happen, but I know it will |
| 08:07.07 | scanline | purple_cow: heh |
| 08:07.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:07.36 | scanline | then you can use any dict-like object as your backend |
| 08:07.40 | scanline | including shelve |
| 08:07.44 | scanline | or whatever |
| 08:08.29 | purple_cow | ChipX86: wow |
| 08:08.32 | purple_cow | i mean....wow |
| 08:12.47 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i don't understand why you're sad about gaim being forked |
| 08:13.06 | ChipX86 | because I had so much love for gaim |
| 08:13.12 | ChipX86 | from the very beginning |
| 08:13.30 | ChipX86 | but.. it's going downhill |
| 08:13.32 | purple_cow | but a fork can only be good for it |
| 08:22.37 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:22.40 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:22.43 | ChipX86 | I love how you can input a japanese password |
| 08:23.13 | scanline | purple_cow: I was just noticing a bunch of UTF-8 in my database dump, near Bjork :) |
| 08:24.52 | scanline | looks great |
| 08:44.02 | scanline | uint32_t getnextfid(void) |
| 08:44.10 | scanline | /* The karma only plays files when the ID is > 256 and ID%16==0 */ |
| 08:44.13 | scanline | that's bizarre |
| 08:44.50 | scanline | eww |
| 08:44.56 | scanline | libkarma has a bunch of O(N^2) crap |
| 08:45.00 | scanline | to find new IDs |
| 08:45.37 | scanline | that could easily be reduced to nearly O(1) best-case and O(N log N) worst case |
| 08:45.54 | purple_cow | yowza! |
| 08:46.18 | scanline | it just does a linear search through all files, bumping its current ID if it conflicts with anything |
| 08:46.23 | scanline | and it does this for every file |
| 08:47.16 | purple_cow | yikes |
| 08:47.20 | purple_cow | that makes me cry :( |
| 08:57.46 | purple_cow | wow, that's the damnedest thing |
| 08:57.49 | purple_cow | i don't feel sick anymore |
| 08:58.07 | scanline | yay |
| 09:05.28 | ChipX86 | mm the cake turned out good |
| 09:05.32 | scanline | yay |
| 09:06.25 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:06.36 | purple_cow | noone has jumped onto the xchat-gnome love bandwagon :( |
| 09:06.44 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 09:06.53 | ChipX86 | or the galago love bandwagon |
| 09:07.10 | purple_cow | hmm. either of you know how to programmatically start a cellrenderertext editing? |
| 09:07.27 | ChipX86 | nop |
| 09:07.27 | ChipX86 | e |
| 09:10.16 | gonkulator | ugh |
| 09:10.18 | scanline | hmm.. I think I might have done it once, but I forget |
| 09:10.22 | gonkulator | insomnia is no fun |
| 09:10.37 | ChipX86 | yeah :/ |
| 09:10.53 | ChipX86 | it's not the getting to sleep that's a problem anymore. It's the having non-screwed-up dreams |
| 09:12.47 | purple_cow | fe-gtk does it, but that's using GtkCList |
| 09:13.44 | purple_cow | aha! |
| 09:13.45 | purple_cow | gtk_tree_view_set_cursor |
| 09:14.14 | ChipX86 | Protocol version: -1207959520.134514456 |
| 09:14.19 | ChipX86 | excellent |
| 09:14.25 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:15.17 | purple_cow | well, damnit, now i don't feel like sleeping, since i don't feel like garbage |
| 09:17.17 | ChipX86 | hmm, some robbers stole an ATM machine |
| 09:20.41 | purple_cow | cool |
| 09:25.15 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7108 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c irc-network-editor.h): yay, the editing semantics are correct now |
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| 09:30.57 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:37.10 | purple_cow | hmm, seems the drain block cleared |
| 09:41.43 | purple_cow | hmm, mozilla spacegrub |
| 09:52.20 | ChipX86 | wow, Pippi Longstocking. Haven't seen this movie in a while |
| 09:53.55 | ChipX86 | she seemed older. |
| 10:02.58 | scanline | what are you working on making it do? |
| 10:03.11 | scanline | still authenticating? |
| 10:03.16 | ChipX86 | the auth. I've been watching tv and talking to a friend I haven't talked to for a long time |
| 10:03.29 | ChipX86 | so I just now started to hack on it again, and the rio won't respond to network activity :P |
| 10:04.49 | scanline | are you having that ethernet problem, or is it a bug in your code? |
| 10:04.55 | ChipX86 | I can't even ping it |
| 10:05.06 | scanline | are both lights stuck on? |
| 10:05.12 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 10:05.41 | scanline | hm. haven't had an ethernet problem with it yet that wasn't the two-lights thing |
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| 10:07.51 | ChipX86 | *grumble* |
| 10:10.57 | ChipX86 | can't figure it out |
| 10:12.35 | scanline | hmm. if this is right, the rio can't store more than 4079 files |
| 10:12.39 | scanline | something is fishy here |
| 10:13.52 | ChipX86 | this is annoying |
| 10:14.01 | ChipX86 | part of me wants the iriver :) |
| 10:16.18 | scanline | heh :) |
| 10:16.36 | scanline | the iriver has pretty open hardware, doesn't it? |
| 10:16.54 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 10:17.15 | ChipX86 | the last karma firmware was in early 2004 :/ |
| 10:18.59 | ChipX86 | I am too |
| 10:19.03 | ChipX86 | I wouldn't want to get rid of it |
| 10:19.07 | ChipX86 | but we need usb drivers :( |
| 10:19.13 | scanline | eh |
| 10:19.23 | ChipX86 | or I need to hack a cable I guess |
| 10:19.23 | scanline | I haven't even opened my usb cable yet. ethernet is a great idea |
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| 10:21.01 | scanline | er, wait |
| 10:21.05 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 10:21.06 | ChipX86 | now it responds |
| 10:21.09 | scanline | I dont' know what I'm thinking... |
| 10:21.13 | scanline | these are 32-bit |
| 10:21.36 | scanline | I was worried that it could only store 4078 files |
| 10:21.44 | scanline | but it can actually store 268435438 files, if this is right |
| 10:21.47 | scanline | :P |
| 10:21.57 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 10:22.16 | scanline | oooh... |
| 10:23.02 | ChipX86 | ohhh, duh |
| 10:23.28 | ChipX86 | nope. hrm. |
| 10:27.52 | ChipX86 | ohhh |
| 10:32.50 | scanline | any luck? |
| 10:32.53 | ChipX86 | kinda |
| 10:36.06 | scanline | bleh. I just know I'll screw up my rio's filesystem debugging this |
| 10:36.13 | purple_cow | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:36.14 | purple_cow | http://jobsearch.pixar.careers.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=27294028&AVSDM=2005%2D02%2D14+13%3A37%3A43&Logo=0&col=dlt&sort=rv&vw=b&lid=702&lid=647&fn=8267&fn=8265&fn=8256 |
| 10:37.44 | scanline | grr |
| 10:39.45 | scanline | heyhey! |
| 10:39.48 | scanline | my metadata edit worked |
| 10:39.54 | scanline | it just crashed immediately afterward |
| 10:40.02 | ChipX86 | I need caffeine |
| 10:43.15 | scanline | mwahaha |
| 10:43.22 | scanline | this is starting to be almost sorta-kinda useful |
| 10:45.45 | ChipX86 | why is the data garbage :( |
| 10:45.59 | scanline | which data? |
| 10:46.12 | ChipX86 | the payload from the packets |
| 10:46.18 | ChipX86 | something I'm doing.. |
| 10:46.19 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 10:46.26 | scanline | the authentication packets are supposed to be garbage :P |
| 10:46.45 | ChipX86 | bah. |
| 10:47.09 | ChipX86 | protocol ver too :( |
| 10:47.14 | scanline | hmm |
| 10:47.21 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 10:47.28 | ChipX86 | it's somehow a result of the command to get the salt |
| 10:47.29 | scanline | endianness? not reading the right number of bytes? |
| 10:47.38 | ChipX86 | dunno |
| 10:47.40 | ChipX86 | I thought I was |
| 10:50.31 | ChipX86 | looks like I am reading the right number |
| 11:03.57 | scanline | is your implementation synchronous, or can multiple requests be in progress at once? |
| 11:06.47 | ChipX86 | synchronous for now |
| 11:06.49 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 11:07.13 | ChipX86 | (03:05:28) Jula: .. Psst! Don't tell anybody, but I was looking more forward to kissing Chip than the other guy. |
| 11:07.16 | ChipX86 | (03:05:32) Jula: At the spin the bottle thing. |
| 11:10.41 | scanline | :) |
| 11:11.01 | ChipX86 | she's turning 18 this year, and still likes me... must start dropping those hints about Jamie |
| 11:11.03 | scanline | aha.. I think this is a subtle bug in my buffering code for padded strings |
| 11:11.14 | ChipX86 | Jula is cute and cool, but.. *sigh* yay for getting myself into things |
| 11:19.58 | ChipX86 | (03:18:27) Jula: Muchas smoochas, baby. |
| 11:19.58 | ChipX86 | (03:18:39) Jula: X3 |
| 11:20.05 | ChipX86 | (her way of saying goodnight) |
| 11:20.22 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:20.39 | ChipX86 | she's turning 18 this year |
| 11:21.00 | ChipX86 | last I saw her, we were at Joelle's party, playing spin the bottle and truth or dare |
| 11:21.20 | ChipX86 | she asked me what I thought of her, and I said she was cute and fun to talk to and all ,and if circumstances, namely age, were different, I'd date her |
| 11:21.36 | ChipX86 | or rather, the fact that she was underage |
| 11:21.51 | ChipX86 | but now she's going to be 18 soon and is starting to get flirty with me |
| 11:35.57 | scanline | hmm.. hungry |
| 11:37.43 | ChipX86 | g'night everyone |
| 11:38.26 | scanline | g'night |
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| 13:53.22 | TD | i need more memory |
| 13:53.32 | TD | windows 98 in vmware is significantly different to ubuntu in vmware |
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| 14:05.56 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7109 10rio-karma/python/ (. RioKarma.py demo.py): Lots of buffering improvements, and add a binary tree that can track file ID allocations efficiently |
| 14:42.19 | scanline | mwahaha |
| 14:42.22 | scanline | take that, libkarma |
| 14:43.10 | scanline | and these caches seem to be holding together alright now... |
| 14:44.04 | file | my flight for VON changed, drastically Expedia is telling me |
| 14:45.05 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7110 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): Refactored and fixed much of the caching. Now the file details cache and the file ID allocator tree are stored on disk, and if they're available they're loaded rather than doing a synchronize with the device. |
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| 16:41.11 | scanline | hehe.. some of the files I created accidentally are throwing a bunch of warnings in rmmlite |
| 16:57.01 | hardwire | scanline: 14 hours |
| 16:57.05 | hardwire | not like a laptop anymore. |
| 16:57.09 | scanline | not bad |
| 16:57.33 | hardwire | I am going to assume 75% of the 14hours since it was under no cpu/comm load |
| 16:57.43 | hardwire | but this should be nice |
| 16:58.04 | hardwire | with these battery backup units.. I should be able to charge at 12A if I put them together |
| 16:58.29 | hardwire | so in 2 hours time I could charge a 24Ah battery back up |
| 16:58.34 | hardwire | which will last for a day or two |
| 16:58.48 | hardwire | the generator will have to power on rarely :) |
| 16:59.37 | hardwire | this should be nice |
| 16:59.50 | hardwire | I can afford to use the cheapo generators now |
| 17:00.06 | hardwire | and just send somebody out to pull start it |
| 17:00.16 | hardwire | when it runs out of gas.. tada.. were charged |
| 17:00.22 | hardwire | since it can runfor 5 hours straight |
| 17:00.40 | hardwire | I should really find a propane generator thats small |
| 17:00.43 | hardwire | so much easier |
| 17:01.57 | hardwire | I could probably do this all off of SLA |
| 17:02.11 | hardwire | just have a guy come out with fresh charged batteries every few days |
| 17:05.36 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:05.41 | hardwire | this deisel genset would be idea |
| 17:05.47 | hardwire | concidering all of the boats use deisel |
| 17:05.55 | hardwire | 2.0 gallons per hour |
| 17:06.27 | hardwire | it onoly weighs 2259lbs |
| 17:07.50 | file | what, is up? |
| 17:07.54 | scanline | hehe.. flac, at 923kbps |
| 17:08.11 | scanline | ooh, this sounds good |
| 17:08.21 | hardwire | gonna go shower |
| 17:08.22 | hardwire | bbiab |
| 17:12.52 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7112 10rio-karma/python/RioKarma.py: Implementing more metadata- support for various codecs, and non-audio files |
| 17:13.09 | scanline | hrm |
| 17:14.55 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7113 10rio-karma/python/RioKarma.py: LGPL -> GPL. mmpython is GPL, and I care a lot more about using mmpython right now than I do about LGPL'ing this |
| 17:21.08 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 17:21.10 | kergoth | this cd i bought |
| 17:21.13 | kergoth | the second disc |
| 17:21.23 | kergoth | has 13 track listings on the back of the case, right |
| 17:21.26 | kergoth | but 12 actual tracks. |
| 17:21.55 | kergoth | the info from imdb, one of the tracks has the artist/title of two of them, but i dont know if thats correct |
| 17:21.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:22.33 | kergoth | whew, yay allmusic |
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| 17:38.37 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 17:38.38 | jbot | I come bearing a gift. I'll give you a hint. It's in my diaper, and it's not a toaster. |
| 17:38.59 | file | ~emulate louis |
| 17:39.05 | file | what, no louis? |
| 17:39.12 | file | or is it lois.. |
| 17:39.13 | file | ~emulate lois |
| 17:39.20 | file | eh can't win them all |
| 17:39.49 | file | kergoth: how's your day going? |
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| 17:40.28 | file | pagefault! |
| 17:40.35 | file | pagefault: 1 week to go |
| 17:40.56 | pagefault | yep! |
| 17:42.54 | file | have you made a final decision on what we shall do? |
| 17:43.35 | pagefault | hmm not yet |
| 17:43.43 | pagefault | not much to do around the airport! |
| 17:43.48 | file | very true |
| 17:44.04 | pagefault | we could go to duty free stores and laugh at how expensive all the electronics are |
| 17:44.21 | file | lol |
| 17:53.54 | pagefault | http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SB86i.asp |
| 17:54.17 | file | interesting |
| 17:56.50 | pagefault | Tracing route to www.google.akadns.net [64.233.161.99] |
| 17:56.50 | pagefault | over a maximum of 30 hops: |
| 17:56.50 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.50 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.50 | pagefault | .1] |
| 17:56.51 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.53 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.01 | pagefault | .81] |
| 17:57.03 | pagefault | rogers rules |
| 17:59.41 | file | yup. |
| 18:04.49 | pagefault | this movie is funny |
| 18:04.50 | pagefault | trekkies 2 |
| 18:10.34 | file | does that come with fries? |
| 18:12.17 | kergoth | nope, those are extra |
| 18:12.52 | file | darn |
| 18:13.25 | pagefault | the shuttles are nice |
| 18:19.28 | hardwire | blah |
| 18:21.58 | hardwire | oh booh |
| 18:22.07 | hardwire | you big pootie tang you |
| 18:23.28 | pagefault | why must they put shatner on a coin |
| 18:24.36 | hardwire | why must they put shatner in a law show |
| 18:24.47 | file | why must they let shatner live |
| 18:25.37 | pagefault | trekkies are scary |
| 18:27.02 | hardwire | you know whats scary |
| 18:27.06 | file | a picture of you |
| 18:27.07 | hardwire | my g/f in the morning |
| 18:27.12 | file | darn I was close |
| 18:27.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:27.27 | hardwire | the idea of fun in any aspect doesn't exist in her mind |
| 18:27.35 | pagefault | windows update is extremely slow |
| 18:27.42 | hardwire | I risk getting my head bit off just talking to her :) |
| 18:27.49 | hardwire | ugh that reminds me |
| 18:27.57 | hardwire | my windows machine needs to be reloaded |
| 18:28.06 | file | pagefault: I have your cell number don't I? |
| 18:28.10 | file | yeah, I do... |
| 18:28.15 | hardwire | I should really go see the ice sculptures downtown |
| 18:28.20 | hardwire | then go into the office and start that |
| 18:28.26 | hardwire | as well as do some heavy amounts of cleaning |
| 18:28.34 | hardwire | I need a huge static mat for my desk too |
| 18:28.37 | pagefault | file, yep |
| 18:28.53 | file | I need to go to the bank and get some US currency, get a haircut, plus buy clothes |
| 18:29.23 | file | grab some Canadian cash too I suppose |
| 18:29.29 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:29.37 | hardwire | I should find out if the WIP-5000 can intercom |
| 18:29.42 | hardwire | I doubt it.. since it has no loudspeaker |
| 18:29.42 | file | hardwire: and you need to get me 'da phone by Friday |
| 18:29.52 | hardwire | file: monday hoss. |
| 18:30.03 | pagefault | blah |
| 18:30.04 | hardwire | and if it fails I will just send you mine |
| 18:30.05 | pagefault | blah |
| 18:30.09 | hardwire | then wait for the others to come in |
| 18:30.10 | pagefault | cash is outdated |
| 18:30.11 | file | or else I'll replace your asterisk stuff with Cisco Call Manager |
| 18:30.16 | hardwire | NOOOO! |
| 18:30.22 | file | with no license key |
| 18:30.24 | file | so it's useless. |
| 18:30.54 | pagefault | did you try sIPX? |
| 18:30.59 | pagefault | err |
| 18:31.05 | pagefault | sipX |
| 18:31.17 | hardwire | sipx? |
| 18:31.31 | pagefault | it's another open source pbx |
| 18:31.36 | file | it's... java... |
| 18:31.40 | file | it's a SIP based PBX |
| 18:31.43 | file | Asterisk does more! |
| 18:32.07 | file | hardwire: anything you want me to pay special attention to on the exhibit floor? |
| 18:32.13 | file | pagefault: one of the VoIP protocols |
| 18:32.23 | hardwire | file: yeh.. GSM media gateways |
| 18:32.34 | file | there's H323, SIP, IAX2, MGCP, SCCP, and other proprietary ones |
| 18:32.46 | file | hardwire: will do |
| 18:33.10 | hardwire | file: heh.. I wish you could register a dialplan with SIP clients |
| 18:33.12 | hardwire | that would rule |
| 18:33.19 | hardwire | sip client registers in |
| 18:33.30 | hardwire | then dialplan is registered to sip client |
| 18:33.31 | hardwire | or. |
| 18:33.36 | file | if you expanded SIP, you could |
| 18:33.38 | hardwire | sip server registers to sip client |
| 18:33.45 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:34.00 | hardwire | file: well I think I know exactly what I need to do |
| 18:34.15 | file | make me some fries? |
| 18:34.21 | hardwire | I need to turn off the bridge ports when a wds link isn't established (which I can check via /proc) |
| 18:34.36 | file | would my idea have worked? |
| 18:34.37 | hardwire | and then turn on an ip-alias |
| 18:34.41 | hardwire | no |
| 18:34.49 | file | see, it's your routing and junk |
| 18:34.51 | file | it's just WEIRD! |
| 18:35.00 | hardwire | when the wds comes back up.. bring down the ip-alias and bring up the bridge link again |
| 18:39.49 | file | hardwire: I think you should build an entire cellular-like system off of Asterisk and the Hitachis |
| 18:40.06 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:40.10 | hardwire | thats where this is headed |
| 18:40.28 | hardwire | w/ iax2 trunking it seems |
| 18:40.33 | pagefault | holy crap |
| 18:40.34 | hardwire | because I fucking love it |
| 18:40.36 | pagefault | star trek metal bands |
| 18:40.36 | file | haha |
| 18:40.38 | pagefault | thats scary |
| 18:40.57 | file | hardwire: do all the normal-like features work? call waiting, transfers, MWI? |
| 18:41.00 | hardwire | pagefault: seen "The Terminal" |
| 18:41.17 | hardwire | file: iax2 trunking or the mobile sip phones? |
| 18:41.21 | file | mobile sip phones |
| 18:41.28 | hardwire | MWI no |
| 18:41.32 | pagefault | hardwire, nope |
| 18:41.33 | hardwire | call waiting yes.. very well supported |
| 18:41.41 | hardwire | transfers very well supported |
| 18:41.48 | file | MWI no? |
| 18:41.53 | hardwire | well |
| 18:41.57 | hardwire | I have to double check that |
| 18:42.03 | hardwire | I set up a mailbox for it |
| 18:42.06 | hardwire | it has messages init |
| 18:42.12 | hardwire | it should be sending MWI notify |
| 18:42.17 | file | yeah |
| 18:42.21 | hardwire | but I see shit |
| 18:43.32 | file | and of course Messaging+Presence doesn't |
| 18:43.46 | hardwire | oooooooooooooooof course |
| 18:43.55 | file | poor hardwire |
| 18:44.28 | hardwire | SIP-3000s are amazing |
| 18:44.40 | hardwire | if most phones had their sip configuration we would never go hungry again |
| 18:44.43 | file | Sipuras? |
| 18:44.46 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:45.05 | hardwire | modify dial plans in the phone.. to go to different sip proxys |
| 18:45.33 | file | Sipuras stuff are just nifty |
| 18:46.03 | hardwire | yup |
| 18:52.01 | hardwire | telephone e |
| 18:52.59 | file | where! |
| 18:53.13 | scanline | w00t |
| 18:53.47 | file | scanline should interface his coffeemaker using VoIP so he can call it and order it to make coffee remotely before he leaves from work |
| 18:54.52 | pagefault | haw |
| 18:54.56 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/python-riokarma-receive.png |
| 18:54.57 | pagefault | "bitstream software" |
| 18:55.03 | pagefault | steve gibson is stupid |
| 18:56.16 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:56.25 | scanline | md5sums don't match.. it's probably still adding a couple trailing nulls |
| 18:58.11 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7114 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): Implemented the rest of the planned requests- those for reading and writing actual file contents. Haven't tested the code for writing yet, but reading seems to be mostly working |
| 18:59.45 | scanline | oh. hmm |
| 18:59.51 | scanline | I don't think it likes 65k read chunks at all |
| 19:00.08 | file | pagefault: movie on Space, what could it be?!? |
| 19:00.38 | file | oh no, seems very low quality - and it is! |
| 19:01.39 | file | A veterinarian goes insane after space zombies switch the thought essences of his beloved wife and cat. |
| 19:06.45 | kergoth`bbl | i forgot about my old scsi raid controller |
| 19:06.51 | kergoth`bbl | not as fast as the new one, but.. |
| 19:07.07 | scanline | yay |
| 19:07.55 | file | go kergoth, go kergoth! |
| 19:11.23 | kergoth`bbl | hell, i'm just happy i can get to my music |
| 19:12.40 | pagefault | file: wow sounds original |
| 19:12.57 | pagefault | brb! |
| 19:12.58 | pagefault | shower |
| 19:13.47 | scanline | guh |
| 19:13.56 | scanline | ethereal's running disgustingly slow on this capture |
| 19:17.52 | scanline | ooh.. those silly rio programmers |
| 19:18.03 | scanline | it's looks like their firmware is buffering in 2KB blocks |
| 19:18.21 | scanline | so they end up sending alternating 1460-byte and 588-byte packets |
| 19:23.44 | file | hardwire: so how about that stuff eh? |
| 19:23.54 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:24.04 | scanline | even with a write lock acquired, it's really slow to read music off the device |
| 19:24.52 | scanline | hmm.. a little bit faster with a write lock |
| 19:24.57 | scanline | but not too much |
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| 20:05.44 | samyb | Any of you use ICQ? |
| 20:27.09 | file | kergoth`bbl: why did you have to bring up your video idea, why?!? |
| 20:36.27 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7115 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): Improve Unicode support, refactor the metadata conversion code |
| 20:37.19 | file | hi Chip |
| 20:37.26 | ChipX86 | hey |
| 20:37.32 | file | what is up |
| 20:37.35 | scanline | hi ChipX86 |
| 20:37.41 | ChipX86 | not a whole lot |
| 20:38.48 | ChipX86 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1153022&group_id=235&atid=100235 |
| 20:41.35 | scanline | heh |
| 20:44.02 | *** join/#tacobeam purple_cow (~jupiter@128.138.74.40) |
| 20:44.55 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7116 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): Encode filenames in UTF-8 by default, but make that overrideable. In any case, fail more gracefully ("?" substitution) if we can't convert a unicode string when building a filename. |
| 20:45.06 | purple_cow | scanline: has rich been called re: plumbing? |
| 20:45.13 | scanline | no |
| 20:50.20 | purple_cow | welp, left a message |
| 20:50.31 | purple_cow | hopefully we can get this cleared up before someone needs to use the toilet |
| 20:50.42 | file | apartment troubles again? |
| 20:51.08 | purple_cow | just crappy plumbing |
| 20:51.11 | file | ah |
| 20:51.16 | ChipX86 | I love how they invented new widgets for the antispyware program |
| 20:56.30 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 20:56.40 | ChipX86 | I went to go uninstall antispyware, and it said I had to close down firefox to do it |
| 20:56.57 | purple_cow | hahahahaha |
| 20:58.46 | ChipX86 | yay for uninstalling everything on gaea except the bare essentials |
| 20:59.29 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 20:59.31 | purple_cow | http://portage-sharp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:59.33 | purple_cow | that's cute |
| 20:59.41 | purple_cow | crappy name though |
| 20:59.44 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:03.45 | purple_cow | hmm, i should get breakfast |
| 21:18.52 | ChipX86 | hey TD |
| 21:18.57 | TD | yo |
| 21:19.38 | scanline | whoa, neat |
| 21:19.57 | scanline | I just uploaded an audio track to my rio... and when I try to play it, it reboots |
| 21:20.27 | scanline | yep.. reproducable |
| 21:22.01 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:37.57 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 21:38.59 | TD | argh |
| 21:39.10 | TD | these questions on context free grammars are too hard :( |
| 21:39.32 | purple_cow | what questions? |
| 21:39.37 | TD | ChipX86: i tried ubuntu warty and hoary today |
| 21:39.48 | TD | ChipX86: hoary is looking nice. though gnome-app-install/synaptic still suck rocks |
| 21:39.52 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (~pagefault@66.199.241.90) |
| 21:39.54 | TD | significantly less rocks than before |
| 21:39.56 | TD | bt, still |
| 21:39.59 | file | hail pagefault |
| 21:39.59 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:40.10 | pagefault | hello file |
| 21:40.12 | pagefault | potato? |
| 21:40.32 | *** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.79.219) |
| 21:40.33 | TD | purple_cow: i have a CFG. it says "give a simple description of L(G). use that description to give a CFG for ~L(G), the complement of G" |
| 21:40.39 | TD | purple_cow: and that seems to be the easier one ... |
| 21:40.57 | TD | ChipX86: i loved the part where synaptic asked me if I wanted to do a "smart upgrade" |
| 21:40.58 | file | pagefault: toast. |
| 21:41.02 | TD | ChipX86: Do you want me to be smart? |
| 21:41.06 | TD | errr...... |
| 21:41.08 | pagefault | file: with jam |
| 21:41.22 | file | pagefault: and cinnamon |
| 21:42.19 | purple_cow | TD: err....not all CFG's have a complement that can be represented as a CFG... |
| 21:43.02 | TD | purple_cow: presumably this one does, otherwise they wouldn't sak that as a question |
| 21:43.17 | purple_cow | what is L(G) ? |
| 21:43.40 | TD | the language generated by G I assume |
| 21:43.44 | TD | G is this |
| 21:43.52 | TD | S -> aSb | bY | Ya |
| 21:44.00 | TD | (where lower case are terminals, upper case are variables) |
| 21:44.10 | TD | Y -> bY | aY | [empty word] |
| 21:44.23 | TD | from playing about it seems to be able to generate anything, ie just random garbage |
| 21:46.15 | purple_cow | hmm, yeah |
| 21:46.30 | TD | i'm not sure how you can get the complement of that |
| 21:47.00 | purple_cow | there's probably some small set of words it can't generate... |
| 21:47.18 | purple_cow | can't generate the empty word, for instance |
| 21:47.53 | TD | sure, i already thought of that one. but is the empty word the complement of infinite series of a/b? |
| 21:48.31 | purple_cow | if those are your only terminals, i would imagine so |
| 21:49.06 | purple_cow | err..... |
| 21:49.12 | purple_cow | why is dobey writing a packaging system? |
| 21:49.27 | TD | heh |
| 21:49.34 | ChipX86 | it used to be a module for GNUpdate |
| 21:49.35 | TD | he's been doing that since i first started using linux, afaik |
| 21:49.39 | ChipX86 | ye |
| 21:49.39 | ChipX86 | p |
| 21:49.45 | ChipX86 | and his web browser, IM client, and everything else |
| 21:49.52 | ChipX86 | dobey just rewrites things. *shrug* they don't get anywher |
| 21:49.52 | TD | i love the way he posts screenshots of a terminal saying something like "empulse: Successful" |
| 21:50.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:50.02 | TD | yeah wtf is up with the gtkhtml based web browser?! |
| 21:50.12 | TD | and the screenshot of it playing a video - that turned out to be a mockup |
| 21:50.18 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:50.21 | TD | who the hell makes mockups of such an inane and boring feature? |
| 21:50.28 | ChipX86 | it's funny how he doesn't talk to me anymore :) he avoids me |
| 21:51.52 | TD | ah well |
| 21:54.00 | scanline | wheeee |
| 21:54.13 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7117 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): Finally, it can upload music! |
| 21:54.29 | scanline | that turned out to be a good bit more complex than I thought it would be... |
| 21:54.35 | ChipX86 | really? |
| 21:55.18 | scanline | there are a lot of fiddly buffering problems if you want it to actually be fast, and there are some even fiddlier algorithms |
| 21:55.45 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 21:55.51 | ChipX86 | losing all interest in writing this library |
| 21:55.59 | scanline | there's a digest function that's based on three MD5s xor'ed together.. and it's fairly sane on most files, but for some reason on MP3s you have to start after the mpeg header and cut off the last 128 bytes |
| 21:56.13 | scanline | then there's allocating file IDs.. the way libkarma does it works, but it's cheesy |
| 21:56.24 | TD | scanline: you know, if i uploaded a song and it caused my mp3 player to reboot i'd be terrified |
| 21:56.28 | TD | i wouldn't say "cool!" :) |
| 21:56.31 | scanline | I'm using a spiffy binary tree |
| 21:56.55 | scanline | TD: I think I had the equivalent of an inode with no physical disk space backing it ;) |
| 21:56.57 | ChipX86 | (13:56:37) Alex Graveley: trying to figure out how i should do note syncronization |
| 21:57.14 | scanline | ChipX86: could always do a gnome-vfs thingy in python ;) |
| 21:57.16 | scanline | if this is fast enough |
| 21:57.21 | ChipX86 | scanline: could |
| 21:57.30 | ChipX86 | but I have so much code written now. I'd hate to redo it |
| 21:57.36 | scanline | yeah |
| 21:57.42 | scanline | it's really not that hard.. there are just tricky bits here and there |
| 21:57.58 | ChipX86 | yeah, but I don't feel like I have the patience today, and I *really* want a galago relesae out |
| 21:58.10 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:58.17 | scanline | I should transfer some stuff that's more fully tagged |
| 21:58.19 | TD | heh |
| 21:58.31 | TD | ChipX86: yeah, go go galago! |
| 21:58.43 | ChipX86 | could do a C# gnome-vfs module |
| 21:58.52 | ChipX86 | since there's karmalib |
| 21:59.12 | scanline | is it any better than the C or java libraries? |
| 21:59.24 | ChipX86 | dunno, but I think libkarma kinda sucks |
| 21:59.33 | scanline | uhhuh |
| 22:00.12 | TD | why? |
| 22:00.17 | ChipX86 | where to start.. |
| 22:00.20 | ChipX86 | no namespacing at all |
| 22:00.25 | scanline | except for some transfer speed problems that are entirely due to cheesy buffering, RioKarma.py is quite snappy |
| 22:00.32 | ChipX86 | it puts in a [karmalib] tag |
| 22:00.39 | ChipX86 | it doesn't have an install target |
| 22:00.50 | TD | heh, the FSF website uses plone these days |
| 22:00.53 | scanline | it has a lot of internal problems |
| 22:00.56 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:01.09 | TD | ahh |
| 22:01.30 | scanline | ChipX86: have you seen documentation on the status codes anywhere? I've been trying to reverse engineer as I go, but this is getting annoying |
| 22:01.42 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 22:01.46 | TD | i thought the libkarma people had already reverse engineered the protocol? |
| 22:01.54 | scanline | TD: they ignored a lot of it |
| 22:04.01 | TD | oh |
| 22:04.06 | TD | reverse engineering is fun :) |
| 22:04.24 | scanline | yeah. unfortunately all the really fun parts are done on this protocol |
| 22:04.53 | scanline | they just left all the status codes, some details on the file IDs, and such |
| 22:04.53 | TD | oh well |
| 22:04.56 | TD | there will always be more ... |
| 22:05.15 | scanline | but yay for this file ID allocator being cool |
| 22:05.42 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7118 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/xchat-gnome.glade: fix the yalign=nan runtime warning |
| 22:06.55 | scanline | hm |
| 22:07.27 | scanline | there'd be no way to access it unless you know its ID number |
| 22:07.41 | scanline | but I don't see how it could delete them |
| 22:08.14 | ChipX86 | it's raining! Geeze, the weather here cannot make up its mind |
| 22:08.17 | scanline | purple_cow: the worst I've done so far was the song that would reboot when you tried to play it ;) |
| 22:09.33 | file | ooh pants |
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| 22:16.15 | file | pagefault: wb |
| 22:19.37 | purple_cow | bhaskara's being all crashy and i'm not in the mood to fix it =P |
| 22:29.02 | ChipX86 | mmmm, On Whom The Moon Doth Shine is so cool. Sends shivers down my spine :D |
| 22:38.21 | CIA-3 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/makefile.ms: Call NASMW.EXE insted of NASM.EXE, since this is a Win32 makefile after all |
| 22:42.29 | TD | hmm, interesting |
| 22:42.35 | TD | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814472109/104-0383995-2035917 |
| 22:46.50 | kergoth | huh, that is interesting |
| 22:48.07 | ChipX86 | huh. yeah. |
| 22:49.28 | laodamas | That still does nothing for men getting paid more than women doing the exact same job |
| 22:51.06 | pagefault | mmm chinese food |
| 22:53.07 | scanline | what the heck |
| 22:53.14 | scanline | the rio's disk drive keeps spinning up then back down |
| 22:53.19 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 22:53.40 | TD | laodamas: well, you'd have to demonstrate that this is a widespread systematic problem first |
| 22:53.48 | scanline | that's probably it.... was going really slow just then |
| 22:53.53 | TD | otherwise it's just anecdotal. "i knew a woman ..." |
| 22:54.07 | pagefault | I found some cheap DVD-RW's |
| 22:54.13 | pagefault | 4x for $1.50 each |
| 22:54.17 | pagefault | I was like woah |
| 22:54.24 | Samy | This is some crazy stuff :/ |
| 22:56.03 | laodamas | TD: it is a very well documented problem. Ask any social scientist |
| 22:57.24 | laodamas | Now the book's assumption in aggrigate may be true, that men simply work harder than women in general, but there is systematic discrimination taking place |
| 22:57.58 | TD | it's well documented? i haven't heard of any case of that where all things really are equal (as opposed to the woman simply perceiving them to be equal) |
| 22:58.03 | laodamas | similar to lesser incomes minorities receive |
| 22:58.04 | TD | or at least not recently |
| 22:58.42 | purple_cow | hurray rich |
| 22:58.46 | purple_cow | and hurray ziggy |
| 22:58.52 | purple_cow | and hurray al |
| 22:59.39 | scanline | oh. neat |
| 22:59.54 | scanline | looks like all that CPU usage was due to the way Twisted was buffering my outgoing data |
| 23:00.01 | scanline | I turn down the queue depth a bit and it's all nice and fast |
| 23:00.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:00.57 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7119 10rio-karma/python/RioKarma.py: Ginormous performance enhancemnts |
| 23:01.03 | ChipX86 | oooh Ginormous |
| 23:01.51 | scanline | still seems like it takes about 6 seconds per song though |
| 23:01.56 | scanline | which seems slower than RMML was |
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| 23:03.06 | laodamas | TD: Now I do agree that feminism takes things a bit too far because men and women are not wholly equal from a biological standpoint |
| 23:04.25 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:04.30 | kergoth | my desktop is freezing at random |
| 23:04.35 | kergoth | i hate debugging those |
| 23:05.39 | ChipX86 | we need a kernel with sql support! |
| 23:05.44 | file64 | nooooooooooo |
| 23:06.02 | kergoth | ChipX86: yes! and lets write it in c++! |
| 23:06.08 | ChipX86 | yep! |
| 23:06.13 | laodamas | and a XML filesystem written in c# |
| 23:06.19 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 23:06.24 | ChipX86 | and then apply XSLT to browse dirs |
| 23:06.34 | TD | isn't that what longhorn is doing? ..... oh, wait |
| 23:06.44 | ChipX86 | was? :) |
| 23:07.00 | TD | bwahahaha |
| 23:07.10 | TD | you know i used to be a bit upset that macos x had come and stolen a lot of our thunder |
| 23:07.17 | TD | but these days i'm wondering if it's actually for the best |
| 23:07.25 | TD | because it gives us something to try and beat while windows is stagnating |
| 23:07.30 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:07.34 | TD | so when we take over the world it'll be EVEN MORE ASS KICKING |
| 23:07.38 | ChipX86 | yay for every new windows looking different |
| 23:07.41 | TD | one day i want to go back to experimental OS design |
| 23:07.46 | TD | s/windows/windows app/ |
| 23:07.56 | ChipX86 | both |
| 23:07.59 | scanline | I still don't think I'm used to the rio's cool glowing dock |
| 23:08.00 | ChipX86 | I mean version of windows |
| 23:08.05 | TD | heh |
| 23:08.06 | ChipX86 | I love the cool glowing dock! |
| 23:08.10 | scanline | I do to |
| 23:08.12 | scanline | I'm just not used to it :) |
| 23:08.20 | ChipX86 | yay for glowing to the beat |
| 23:08.26 | scanline | yep |
| 23:08.38 | ChipX86 | too bad it only has one color |
| 23:10.12 | ChipX86 | got my rio plugged into my speakers here and it's sounding very good |
| 23:10.28 | ChipX86 | you wouldn't think it was this little glowing box playing it |
| 23:11.09 | scanline | yeah |
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| 23:13.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:13.27 | scanline | that's not too awful |
| 23:13.31 | scanline | 736 KB/s |
| 23:13.36 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 23:13.43 | scanline | I just can't tell what it's being limited by |
| 23:13.53 | scanline | the ethernet frames in ethereal look great, plenty of free CPU and bandwidth |
| 23:14.17 | scanline | I might just have to play with the block size and the number of overlapped requests I make |
| 23:14.30 | scanline | man, without Twisted this would be such a bitch |
| 23:15.17 | scanline | hmm, now I'm seeing a blip on my network monitor :) |
| 23:15.40 | scanline | sounds like the rio is seeking a lot |
| 23:15.45 | scanline | maybe I should try this on an empty disk.. |
| 23:15.50 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 23:15.51 | scanline | which I wouldn't mind so much now that I have an easy way to refill it |
| 23:16.05 | scanline | ooh, 882 KB/s this time |
| 23:16.20 | scanline | hmm. I should try out my rio taxi support |
| 23:16.30 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:16.44 | ChipX86 | do the rio taxi stuff have a directory structure of some kind? |
| 23:16.49 | scanline | no |
| 23:16.53 | ChipX86 | ba |
| 23:16.54 | scanline | they're stored pretty much just like audio tracks |
| 23:16.57 | ChipX86 | that sucks |
| 23:17.00 | scanline | yeah |
| 23:17.08 | ChipX86 | there are things I love about this player and things that bother me |
| 23:17.16 | scanline | but I need to experiment with sticking slashes in the titles, and seeing if it will extract that all directorywise and such :) |
| 23:17.25 | ChipX86 | but I think if I try to just let it be an mp3/ogg player and not try to think of it past that, I'll be happy |
| 23:17.34 | scanline | yeah |
| 23:17.44 | scanline | it would be nice if it was more hackable, and worked as a USB storage device |
| 23:17.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:17.52 | scanline | but it's still way cooler than I expected |
| 23:17.55 | ChipX86 | they were saying they were going ot put out new firmware to do that |
| 23:17.57 | ChipX86 | but they never did |
| 23:18.21 | scanline | would also be nice if it didn't crash so easily when the client software screws up :) |
| 23:18.24 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 23:18.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:18.36 | TD | kergoth: do you fancy adding --as-needed support to apbuild at some point? it can enhance performance and prevent massive rebuilds when core dependencies change, amongst other good things |
| 23:18.37 | scanline | my terminal's been full of little dots for a while now |
| 23:18.56 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:19.04 | scanline | I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm just maxing out its hard disk |
| 23:19.21 | scanline | sounds like it's working hard, and the network is definitely speeding along but it isn't near saturated |
| 23:19.39 | scanline | and despite being all python-happy and such, CPU usage is quite low :) |
| 23:19.57 | ChipX86 | yay for plugging in my camera and getting a dialog asking if I want to import my photos |
| 23:20.00 | scanline | :) |
| 23:20.17 | scanline | kinda tempted to use an embedded relational database for the file cache |
| 23:20.21 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 23:20.41 | scanline | right now I'm just using shelve, but I'll have to set up a few more associations to be able to efficiently query based on RID, title, artist, and such |
| 23:20.47 | scanline | it really sounds like a job for SQL |
| 23:21.35 | scanline | yep.. lotsa dots.. really wanting a progress bar right about now |
| 23:21.45 | file64 | scanline, have you used sqlite? |
| 23:22.11 | scanline | not personally, but I've known about it for a while. seems like a good choice for this kind of thing |
| 23:24.37 | ChipX86 | DAMNIT!! |
| 23:24.44 | ChipX86 | the laptop crashed when I unplugged the camera |
| 23:24.49 | scanline | :( |
| 23:24.49 | ChipX86 | I lost the whole multi-page rio review I had |
| 23:24.55 | scanline | aww |
| 23:24.58 | scanline | that really sucks |
| 23:24.58 | pagefault | ooh |
| 23:25.00 | pagefault | nascar is on |
| 23:25.00 | pagefault | blah |
| 23:25.01 | ChipX86 | screw it, not writing that again today |
| 23:25.04 | pagefault | but it's in HDTV and in 5.1 |
| 23:26.33 | scanline | ooh |
| 23:26.45 | scanline | just transfered an ubuntu iso to my rio at 940 KB/s |
| 23:29.15 | ChipX86 | grr I want that article back. |
| 23:29.20 | ChipX86 | I can't believe that happened |
| 23:29.42 | scanline | :( |
| 23:29.47 | scanline | it wasn't saved? |
| 23:29.51 | TD | ChipX86: what was the article about? |
| 23:30.04 | ChipX86 | I was writing it in my blog post thingie and there's no autosave |
| 23:30.08 | ChipX86 | TD: the Rio Karma |
| 23:30.15 | TD | ahhh |
| 23:30.22 | ChipX86 | it was turning out well |
| 23:30.27 | ChipX86 | next time I write it in vim |
| 23:30.33 | ChipX86 | when I feel up to doing it again, someday |
| 23:31.03 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7120 10rio-karma/python/ (RioKarma.py demo.py): The rio gets extra grumpy if you disconnect while you're in the middle of releasing a write lock. Make sure the demo app waits for the lock to finish its thing before exiting. |
| 23:31.14 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:31.59 | scanline | hah.. |
| 23:32.11 | scanline | rmml is still complaining about all those malformed tracks I created accidentally this morning |
| 23:32.19 | ChipX86 | great |
| 23:34.27 | pagefault | everyone is doing ubuntu now |
| 23:34.27 | pagefault | ChipX86 has started something |
| 23:34.32 | ChipX86 | me? :P |
| 23:34.36 | scanline | :P |
| 23:35.14 | pagefault | ah well |
| 23:35.38 | scanline | it does bother me how the rio can't do anything else when you have a write lock on it |
| 23:35.39 | pagefault | well you are all gentoo people |
| 23:35.48 | scanline | they really could have designed a cooler filesystem than this |
| 23:35.59 | pagefault | it uses it's own fs? |
| 23:36.20 | scanline | hard to tell what it does internally, but the interface it exposes is pretty unique |
| 23:36.46 | scanline | I doubt it's FAT.. they have no reason to use it, and there are much better filesystems for what they're doing |
| 23:37.03 | pagefault | ah |
| 23:37.12 | pagefault | I thought it was one of those players you just plugin and it mounts it directly |
| 23:37.16 | scanline | no |
| 23:37.24 | scanline | it has a database for everything |
| 23:37.36 | pagefault | interesting |
| 23:37.36 | scanline | kinda like PalmOS, but oriented toward music metadata |
| 23:37.42 | pagefault | sounds like my cell phone's fs |
| 23:37.51 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:38.34 | ChipX86 | join the club |
| 23:38.40 | pagefault | since I want to sync my address book |
| 23:39.11 | pagefault | I am able to access all the files on the phone though |
| 23:39.20 | pagefault | not very difficult to use |
| 23:39.32 | ChipX86 | I would just like to say, hurray for being able to resize icons on the nautilus desktop and have it intelligently scale photos when doing so |
| 23:39.49 | pagefault | neat |
| 23:43.43 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/screenshots/20050227.png |
| 23:44.52 | TD | nice |
| 23:45.56 | purple_cow | wowie! |
| 23:46.10 | purple_cow | commander ivanova is in this episode of quantum leap |
| 23:46.35 | pagefault | hah thats funny |
| 23:46.40 | pagefault | your desktop is almost identical to mine |
| 23:46.44 | pagefault | icon placement and all |
| 23:46.47 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 23:46.54 | file | and what build of vmware is ChipX86 running? |
| 23:47.08 | ChipX86 | 12661 |
| 23:47.08 | pagefault | special super secret edition |
| 23:47.53 | pagefault | it would be cool if vmware could do usermode emulation like qemu |
| 23:48.05 | ChipX86 | "License Expiration: No expiration" |
| 23:48.09 | ChipX86 | "Product Expiration: No expiration" |
| 23:48.19 | purple_cow | the audio quality on this tvrip is making my ears bleed |
| 23:48.33 | pagefault | is that win98? |
| 23:48.37 | ChipX86 | 2K |
| 23:48.39 | purple_cow | wow, that's a lot of workspaces ChipX86 has |
| 23:48.51 | pagefault | ah |
| 23:48.51 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yeah, I ran out yesterday and had to add more |
| 23:48.57 | ChipX86 | then this thing crashed *grr* |
| 23:49.17 | pagefault | mmm 1600x1200 |
| 23:49.22 | pagefault | I wish I could get that on my laptop |
| 23:49.48 | ChipX86 | I love it |
| 23:49.50 | pagefault | only XGA for me |
| 23:50.18 | pagefault | yeah must be nice |
| 23:50.36 | ChipX86 | nooooo |
| 23:51.01 | file | no cookies for you! |
| 23:51.07 | pagefault | silly file being on his laptop |
| 23:51.13 | file | :) |
| 23:51.21 | file | pagefault: does Global have some good stuff on tonight? |
| 23:51.35 | pagefault | file, no idea is there a new simpsons tonight? |
| 23:51.39 | file | pagefault: I think so |
| 23:51.47 | ChipX86 | my desktop is only 2560x1024 |
| 23:51.57 | pagefault | mine is some strange resolution |
| 23:51.58 | file | er wait maybe not |
| 23:52.03 | pagefault | since it's a combination of monitors |
| 23:52.06 | pagefault | at different resolutions |
| 23:52.09 | file | independence day is on Fox though |
| 23:52.16 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 23:52.35 | pagefault | I really want xinerama support though |
| 23:52.36 | ChipX86 | aww not here yet |
| 23:52.36 | pagefault | stupid ATI |
| 23:53.23 | pagefault | I wonder if its in HD |
| 23:53.36 | file | King Of The Hill on Global... Sum 41 is in it |
| 23:55.31 | kergoth | ugh, really tired all of a sudden for some reason |
| 23:55.44 | file | kergoth: your internal alcohol supply is running low |
| 23:55.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:56.16 | Samy | http://www.pulltheplug.org/users/core/theo_de_raadt_on_right.jpg |
| 23:57.02 | scanline | so hmm |
| 23:57.30 | scanline | I think what I really want for this is a folder on my desktop or somwhere that has songs, symlinks to songs, directories of songs, symlinks to directories to songs, etc |
| 23:57.43 | scanline | then a daemon that comes along and synchronizes that with my rio whenever it plugs in or whenever something changes in that directory |
| 23:57.47 | scanline | that would rock |
| 23:58.44 | scanline | you could use all the external tools you want to manage that "Portable Music" directory, then the slowish process of actually copying the files would happen in the background |
| 23:58.54 | scanline | maybe with a notification area thingy showing you the status |
