| 00:00.04 | pagefault | I was just turning I wasn't even going fast |
| 00:00.05 | pagefault | then I slid into the snowbank |
| 00:04.22 | darth_mall | snowbanks are like that |
| 00:04.34 | kergoth_ | snow is the devil. |
| 00:04.48 | scanline | bah |
| 00:05.20 | kergoth_ | hmm, ti gives us discounts on things i didnt know about |
| 00:05.27 | kergoth_ | like apple products |
| 00:05.30 | kergoth_ | and reliant electricity |
| 00:07.07 | darth_mall | and pants? |
| 00:07.32 | kergoth_ | no, but digital cameras through kodak and hp, which is just as good |
| 00:10.15 | kergoth_ | purple_cow: where's your current ubernet wishlist at |
| 00:10.55 | darth_mall | kergoth_: I'd appreciate it if you stumbled across the Nightmare Before Christmas soundtrack |
| 00:11.20 | kergoth_ | can you put that somewhere? i think we need a musical wishlist on navi somewhere |
| 00:11.24 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 00:12.07 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/ubernet-download-queue |
| 00:12.31 | purple_cow | :) |
| 00:12.56 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:13.02 | purple_cow | scanline: can you cycle the nfs server? |
| 00:13.13 | kergoth_ | purple_cow: ah, cool |
| 00:13.35 | scanline | purple_cow: :( |
| 00:13.48 | darth_mall | scanline: I wuv you |
| 00:14.24 | scanline | purple_cow: what's wrong with it? |
| 00:14.40 | purple_cow | scanline: the Space_1999 directory isn't showing up |
| 00:14.51 | scanline | huh... |
| 00:16.23 | purple_cow | ah, there it is |
| 00:16.34 | scanline | yeah, I just restarted it. Not sure why it didn't show up in the first place |
| 00:16.44 | scanline | I should probably have it log FAM events so I can actually debug this |
| 00:16.46 | purple_cow | THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, SEPT 9TH, 1999 |
| 00:16.49 | purple_cow | =) |
| 00:17.10 | scanline | yow |
| 00:17.12 | scanline | drwxr-xr-x 2 micah users 2089008 Feb 21 17:16 h |
| 00:17.12 | scanline | drwxr-xr-x 2 micah users 3709784 Feb 21 17:16 p |
| 00:17.17 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:19.21 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:19.44 | purple_cow | do it! |
| 00:19.45 | pagefault | oh well |
| 00:19.48 | pagefault | I hope it's just fluid |
| 00:20.00 | scanline | ok :P |
| 00:20.21 | scanline | thank goodness for reiserfs |
| 00:20.31 | scanline | 49MB |
| 00:20.33 | scanline | of symlinks |
| 00:20.41 | purple_cow | heh |
| 00:21.53 | purple_cow | hehe, i'd forgotten what a catchy theme this show has |
| 00:22.19 | scanline | huh.... |
| 00:22.21 | scanline | ,_media,_video,_trailers |
| 00:22.21 | scanline | ,_media,_video,_trailers,_kumo_no_mokou_yakusoku_no_basho.avi |
| 00:22.21 | scanline | ,_media,_video,_trailers,_siggraph_electronic_theater_2004.mov |
| 00:22.21 | scanline | ,_media,_wakka |
| 00:22.21 | scanline | ,_media,_weebly |
| 00:22.22 | scanline | ,_media,_wibblik |
| 00:22.23 | scanline | ,_media,_wibblik2 |
| 00:22.25 | scanline | ,_media,_wibblik24 |
| 00:22.27 | scanline | ,_media,_wobble |
| 00:22.29 | scanline | ,_media,_woooooooooooooooo |
| 00:23.03 | scanline | ooh |
| 00:23.05 | scanline | micah@navi spreadfs $ ls -l mapper.db/p/,_ |
| 00:23.06 | scanline | Display all 43520 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 00:23.33 | kergoth_ | you should hit 'y', just because |
| 00:23.46 | scanline | whee |
| 00:23.50 | scanline | lookit all them files |
| 00:24.03 | scanline | what a scary NFS server |
| 00:24.27 | scanline | it's like unionfs, but in python, and with persistent file handles |
| 00:30.02 | kergoth_ | hrm |
| 00:30.59 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7051 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (5 files): progress... |
| 00:39.50 | purple_cow | mmm, look at those high-tech miniature B&W CRTs they have |
| 00:44.54 | pagefault | ok |
| 00:44.58 | pagefault | so my power steering line is busted |
| 00:45.18 | purple_cow | got a ball-point pen? :) |
| 00:45.28 | darth_mall | lol |
| 00:46.01 | purple_cow | scanline: which show were you thinking of attending? |
| 00:48.21 | purple_cow | yay, nuclear magnetic energy outputs of unprecedented violence! |
| 00:49.41 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7052 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/preferences_servers_page.c: break stuff, woohoo! |
| 00:50.37 | pagefault | blah |
| 00:50.42 | pagefault | I am carless now |
| 00:51.23 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:51.25 | ChipX86 | join the club |
| 00:51.28 | scanline | purple_cow: either works for me |
| 00:51.29 | purple_cow | you're right doctor, it was radiation. magnetic radiation. now we're sitting on the biggest bomb man's ever made |
| 00:58.35 | darth_mall | silly pagefault |
| 00:58.48 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:58.52 | scanline | http://ahpc-jp30.st-and.ac.uk/~josh/flags/ratings.html |
| 00:58.54 | darth_mall | heya scanline |
| 00:59.54 | scanline | hi |
| 01:00.06 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 01:01.03 | purple_cow | and the scary thing is, i agree with most of their grading |
| 01:01.34 | scanline | hah, .cx did pretty badly |
| 01:02.07 | darth_mall | kif, we have a conondrum |
| 01:02.45 | purple_cow | hehe, colonial nonsense |
| 01:03.59 | scanline | ooh, nicaragua's has yellow on white text |
| 01:04.13 | scanline | it's like the flag was written in Java by some CS freshmen or something |
| 01:04.19 | ChipX86 | that page is cool :) |
| 01:04.40 | ChipX86 | hah, Libya's flag is just green |
| 01:04.47 | scanline | 'tis from one of the #nslu2-linux guys :) |
| 01:04.56 | purple_cow | wow, they're not kidding about the northern mariana islands |
| 01:05.56 | scanline | oh god |
| 01:06.02 | scanline | I bet that was originally done in .WMF format |
| 01:06.15 | scanline | then remastered in MS Paint |
| 01:06.25 | purple_cow | hehe, remastered? |
| 01:07.02 | scanline | yep. digitally remastered! |
| 01:07.20 | scanline | for a truly hi-fi 4-bit picture |
| 01:07.58 | purple_cow | hey look, the token minorities just gave each other concerned looks |
| 01:08.05 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:08.18 | purple_cow | yay, what great theme music |
| 01:08.18 | pagefault | that blows |
| 01:08.25 | pagefault | wikipedia is down due to severe power failure |
| 01:08.28 | pagefault | but they have backups |
| 01:08.33 | scanline | hrm |
| 01:08.44 | scanline | I should set up waproamd to automatically ntpdate my laptop when it finds a connection |
| 01:08.52 | scanline | considering my hardware clock does nothing |
| 01:09.00 | pagefault | wardriving! |
| 01:09.09 | scanline | ? |
| 01:09.13 | kergoth_ | hehe, yay korean products. they list, as a feature, "UFO Shaped Battery Charger" |
| 01:09.26 | pagefault | oh nothing, thats what I use waproamd for though |
| 01:09.29 | kergoth_ | "Designed to look like a UFO, the charger will have decorative effects on where it is placed." |
| 01:10.44 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:11.10 | scanline | pagefault: I use it so that whenever I boot my laptop it always has a connection... and I need separate hosts files for home and elsewhere |
| 01:11.15 | kergoth_ | why thats _just_ what i was looking for in an mp3 player! a UFO charger! |
| 01:11.18 | kergoth_ | thank god for them |
| 01:11.34 | scanline | wouldn't want your UFO to run down |
| 01:11.45 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 01:11.49 | kergoth_ | was shopping for bluetooth headphones |
| 01:11.56 | kergoth_ | you'd think there'd be more than like 2 of them in existance |
| 01:12.04 | kergoth_ | (headphones, not headset) |
| 01:12.25 | purple_cow | hmm, what to watch... |
| 01:13.25 | scanline | purple_cow: were you planning on going at 7:00 or 9:30? |
| 01:13.31 | scanline | and is darth_mall coming? |
| 01:13.56 | scanline | and does laodamas|away have a fyre OS X binary for me to install on this lab yet? :) |
| 01:14.15 | purple_cow | scanline: dunno |
| 01:14.47 | pagefault | mmm |
| 01:14.48 | pagefault | good brew |
| 01:15.16 | darth_mall | scanline: I am not |
| 01:17.23 | scanline | wow. ChipX86's bloggy fyre love is giving us way more hits than freshmeat and gnomefiles :) |
| 01:17.51 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:18.11 | ChipX86 | how many so far? |
| 01:18.20 | ChipX86 | and I got a galago user out of it :) |
| 01:18.45 | scanline | http://flapjack.navi.cx/webalizer/fyre/usage_200502.html |
| 01:18.55 | purple_cow | http://flapjack.navi.cx/webalizer/fyre/usage_200502.html |
| 01:18.57 | purple_cow | err |
| 01:18.59 | purple_cow | yes! |
| 01:19.01 | ChipX86 | http://flapjack.navi.cx/webalizer/fyre/usage_200502.html |
| 01:19.07 | scanline | ditto |
| 01:19.08 | ChipX86 | (I just wanted to fit in) |
| 01:19.17 | scanline | :) |
| 01:19.20 | ChipX86 | wow, lotsa hits |
| 01:19.48 | darth_mall | ChipX86: you're in |
| 01:20.04 | scanline | amusing that CIA gets on average the same amount of hits in 6 hours that fyre gets in a month |
| 01:20.25 | scanline | of course, CIA has a lot more actual content |
| 01:20.32 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/monitor/traffic/eth0.html |
| 01:20.36 | ChipX86 | the 6 hour graph amuses me |
| 01:22.07 | purple_cow | :) |
| 01:22.09 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:22.25 | scanline | yay images |
| 01:23.39 | purple_cow | hurray, this is the episode with lincoln in space! |
| 01:23.58 | scanline | purple_cow: we should go to the 7:00 show, so I can come home soonish and not stay up quite as much of all night doing homework |
| 01:25.08 | file | silly scanline with his sleep |
| 01:25.08 | purple_cow | mmk |
| 01:25.18 | scanline | file: I never said I'd get sleep |
| 01:25.28 | ChipX86 | I like how Dr. Jackson taught the entire Abadonian population to speak fluent english |
| 01:25.42 | file | ChipX86: YOU! SPEAK ENGLISH! NOW! |
| 01:25.49 | scanline | ChipX86: they already spoke english, like all space people, Jackson just convinced them to |
| 01:26.00 | ChipX86 | ahhh, okay |
| 01:26.04 | purple_cow | we should stop by silver mine on our way home too |
| 01:26.33 | purple_cow | bah! |
| 01:26.48 | ToyKeeper | Weirdo. Your graphs are upside-down. |
| 01:27.02 | purple_cow | ok, we should get some yet-to-be-determined food that doesn't require me to do any work before eating it |
| 01:27.40 | ToyKeeper | I always put the UPstream on top, and the DOWNstream at the bottom. :) |
| 01:27.40 | scanline | silly ToyKeeper |
| 01:28.42 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 01:28.45 | ChipX86 | http://www.chipx86.com/blog/archives/000079.html |
| 01:28.47 | ChipX86 | love the comment :) |
| 01:30.02 | purple_cow | heh |
| 01:30.03 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:30.28 | purple_cow | yipes, i have no cash |
| 01:30.37 | purple_cow | scanline: meet you in the ecenter lobby in 15 or so? |
| 01:30.40 | scanline | k |
| 01:30.46 | purple_cow | 20-25 probably ;) |
| 01:33.02 | pagefault | thats an awesome fyre background |
| 01:33.35 | file | kergoth: you can switch electric companies? |
| 01:33.57 | file | I need my camera's cable... |
| 01:36.39 | pagefault | photos! |
| 01:37.09 | file | doneeeeee |
| 01:39.08 | file | I need to upload all of these... |
| 01:39.20 | pagefault | file in bathtub.jpg |
| 01:39.23 | file | 35MB! |
| 01:39.29 | file | nah no good pics of me |
| 01:39.31 | file | :p |
| 01:39.42 | pagefault | come on |
| 01:39.44 | file | picture of Jana without a face... |
| 01:39.44 | pagefault | we all have a photo like that |
| 01:40.46 | pagefault | who be Jana |
| 01:41.59 | file | someone. |
| 01:43.16 | pagefault | interesting |
| 01:43.20 | pagefault | someone special? |
| 01:44.23 | file | maybe. |
| 01:46.22 | pagefault | :) |
| 01:48.20 | file | http://www.file-radio.com/Grad_Supper/Grad%20Supper%20006.jpg |
| 01:48.23 | file | the one on the right is Jana |
| 01:49.33 | pagefault | mmm pizza |
| 01:49.41 | file | yessss |
| 01:49.52 | file | I discovered pasta salad later |
| 01:49.59 | ChipX86 | what to do for dinner |
| 01:50.06 | file | they had an entire container out |
| 01:50.06 | pagefault | I never have tried pasta salad before |
| 01:50.10 | pagefault | is it good? |
| 01:50.12 | file | so I grabbed it and ran |
| 01:50.14 | file | yes, it was delicious |
| 01:50.31 | pagefault | ChipX86, green eggs and ham |
| 01:50.46 | file | all in all, a good time |
| 01:53.38 | pagefault | thats good |
| 01:54.17 | ChipX86 | ooh I can order donuts and have them delivered |
| 01:55.27 | kergoth | ChipX86: wow, thats the height of laziness right there |
| 01:55.39 | ChipX86 | the nearest donut place is a half hour walk :( |
| 01:55.58 | pagefault | they need to have booze delivery |
| 01:56.01 | kergoth | i think there should be a all-in-one party supply store thats open 24/7 |
| 01:56.06 | file | pagefault: would you be drunk every day? |
| 01:56.09 | kergoth | with alcohol, pizza, snack, and donut delivery |
| 01:56.16 | kergoth | and cds |
| 01:56.27 | pagefault | file, nope, I only get drunk when I can afford it |
| 01:56.34 | ChipX86 | lights go teh flicker |
| 01:56.34 | pagefault | file, and I have no classes the next day |
| 01:56.38 | pagefault | so not very often |
| 01:56.39 | pagefault | :) |
| 01:56.53 | file | uh huh |
| 01:57.26 | pagefault | it makes coding very insane projects go much easier |
| 01:57.51 | pagefault | because most of the time when you work on code like that |
| 01:57.52 | file | I bet. |
| 01:57.59 | pagefault | the original programmer was probably also intoxicated |
| 01:58.01 | pagefault | so it all balances out |
| 01:58.29 | pagefault | I wish I could afford to order dinner every night |
| 01:58.45 | ChipX86 | I only order a couple times a week |
| 01:58.59 | file | a couple being 6 or 7 |
| 01:59.06 | pagefault | I think this friday I will get some chicken |
| 01:59.07 | ChipX86 | no, usually twice :P |
| 01:59.12 | file | uh huh, right |
| 01:59.15 | file | pagefault: Swiss? |
| 01:59.18 | pagefault | file, yes |
| 01:59.23 | file | excellent |
| 01:59.27 | file | but don't forget, in 2 weeks... Swiss! |
| 01:59.35 | pagefault | I wish they would bring back their cream of chicken soup |
| 01:59.37 | pagefault | it was so good |
| 02:00.04 | pagefault | it had actual chunks of chicken in it |
| 02:00.18 | file | yum |
| 02:00.29 | pagefault | yep 2 weeks |
| 02:00.38 | pagefault | you still need those sound cards if I can find any? |
| 02:00.54 | file | I'm debating whether to order some or not |
| 02:01.46 | ChipX86 | bah, no singaporian food |
| 02:03.45 | ChipX86 | bah, $18.95 for delivery, not including price of food |
| 02:04.58 | file | what? |
| 02:05.12 | ChipX86 | it's expensive to order from waiter.com :/ |
| 02:06.10 | darth_mall | grrr... LaTeX's bein' all dumb |
| 02:07.55 | ChipX86 | A delivery charge of $18.95 will be added to your order. |
| 02:07.55 | ChipX86 | A 15% DRIVER SUPPORT CHARGE IS ADDED TO EACH ORDER |
| 02:08.14 | file | ripoff! |
| 02:08.17 | ChipX86 | they claim thye don't charge delivery charges |
| 02:08.20 | ChipX86 | but they do :/ |
| 02:09.07 | ChipX86 | The service is completely free of charge for the Internet user. You simply pay the restaurant's usual sitdown, takeout or delivery prices. There is no service charge of any kind - and in fact you can often save money by taking advantage of some of our special online offers. |
| 02:10.08 | pagefault | sitdown fee? |
| 02:10.09 | pagefault | wtf |
| 02:10.14 | pagefault | you are getting it delivered |
| 02:12.19 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:12.23 | ChipX86 | screw it :P |
| 02:12.36 | ChipX86 | so, pizza, chinese, or something here |
| 02:12.41 | pagefault | thai! |
| 02:12.44 | pagefault | if you can get it |
| 02:12.44 | ChipX86 | eww |
| 02:12.46 | file | chicken! |
| 02:12.47 | pagefault | eww? |
| 02:12.50 | ChipX86 | I hate thai |
| 02:12.51 | pagefault | you are nuts! |
| 02:13.01 | file | chicken? |
| 02:13.01 | pagefault | or you had bad thai |
| 02:13.07 | ChipX86 | maybe |
| 02:13.11 | file | come join pagefault and I in March! |
| 02:13.12 | ChipX86 | still, no thai |
| 02:13.20 | ChipX86 | and I don't want to go anywhere |
| 02:13.23 | pagefault | I would eat indian all the time if it was affordable |
| 02:14.01 | pagefault | general tso's chicken |
| 02:14.41 | pagefault | yes |
| 02:14.47 | pagefault | everyone should come to toronto on march 6th |
| 02:14.49 | pagefault | for chicken |
| 02:15.05 | kergoth | 20:13 < _keith> Wow! flaming on #oe. I never thought it would be possible. |
| 02:15.10 | kergoth | hahah |
| 02:15.24 | kergoth | oi, he dont know me very well, do he |
| 02:15.45 | file | nope |
| 02:16.26 | file | my hair is all fuzzy like |
| 02:17.30 | ChipX86 | there's this other service, but they don't specify the fees |
| 02:29.26 | *** join/#tacobeam zak (~zak@128.138.74.40) |
| 02:30.09 | darth_mall | wow... I've watched a lot of Futurama and Family Guy today... |
| 02:31.08 | zak | darth_mall: do you feel any better? |
| 02:31.30 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:33.30 | darth_mall | zak: relatively, yeah |
| 02:34.12 | lurgy | hahaha |
| 02:34.13 | lurgy | http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 02:36.20 | darth_mall | lol |
| 02:36.46 | darth_mall | go lu |
| 02:36.49 | darth_mall | erm.. lurgy |
| 02:38.48 | lurgy | darth_mall: aye sir |
| 02:38.55 | lurgy | morning slimspace |
| 02:38.55 | slimspace | hi lurgy! |
| 02:39.00 | lurgy | :) |
| 02:39.11 | lurgy | slimspace: we should probably work on getting a roommate for next year, shouldn't we.. :) |
| 02:39.15 | darth_mall | slimspace: done with the OOP yet? |
| 02:39.33 | slimspace | lurgy: you're talking about Naiomi (sp?)? |
| 02:39.45 | slimspace | darth_mall: I think so. I'm not sure about my diagram though |
| 02:41.06 | darth_mall | slimspace: heh... I'm not sure about any of it |
| 02:41.54 | slimspace | though I've got about 7 pages worth of SVGs to convert to postscript |
| 02:45.29 | darth_mall | wow |
| 02:46.06 | slimspace | yeah...two note cards per 8.5 x 11 |
| 02:47.04 | lurgy | slimspace: yeah |
| 02:47.14 | lurgy | slimspace: since it sounds like she won't be here next fall |
| 02:48.26 | slimspace | lurgy: yeah, I heard about that |
| 02:50.23 | darth_mall | slimspace: you actually drew images of the cards? |
| 02:52.13 | slimspace | darth_mall: yeah |
| 02:52.17 | slimspace | Inkscape made it easy |
| 02:52.37 | zak | under one ad |
| 02:52.38 | zak | hehehe |
| 02:52.42 | file | yay The Killers |
| 02:52.48 | slimspace | nice |
| 02:53.02 | slimspace | why you for the summer? |
| 02:53.03 | zak | ,,, |
| 02:53.05 | zak | POS |
| 02:53.16 | zak | slimspace: it is only one ad |
| 02:53.37 | zak | but i posted it at $400 so it has wiggle room for the two of you, or it is accurate for me |
| 02:53.37 | slimspace | right, but I'm taking your room. Why would it be in the ad? |
| 02:53.49 | zak | slimspace: did you look at the link i sent you ? |
| 02:53.55 | zak | it isn't specific |
| 02:53.56 | slimspace | ...no... |
| 02:54.13 | zak | rtfa? |
| 02:54.18 | zak | read the fucking ad? |
| 02:54.23 | slimspace | yeah |
| 02:54.26 | zak | hmm |
| 02:54.29 | slimspace | ad/article |
| 02:54.44 | slimspace | used on /. a lot |
| 02:55.23 | slimspace | ah, nice |
| 02:55.41 | slimspace | ~stab OOP |
| 02:55.44 | jbot | ACTION runs at OOP with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 02:55.53 | zak | slimspace: and it isn't a lie so long as they want evan's room :)_ |
| 02:56.06 | zak | except for the cable tv |
| 02:56.33 | slimspace | yeah |
| 02:56.58 | slimspace | you should maybe post Naiomi's room too |
| 02:57.25 | zak | slimspace: naomi's room could count in that ad too |
| 02:57.36 | slimspace | yeah |
| 03:00.32 | darth_mall | slimspace: heh, I just formatted it in LaTeX with subsections indicating which side is lined and unlined |
| 03:01.22 | slimspace | nice |
| 03:01.42 | slimspace | anyone know an easy way to combine multiple .ps files into one pdf? or multiple pdfs into one? |
| 03:02.29 | slimspace | or maybe a .tar.Z, just to spite him |
| 03:03.31 | kergoth | <brian> if i remember correctly, this is the physics department |
| 03:03.35 | kergoth | <chris> that explains all the gravity |
| 03:03.46 | darth_mall | kergoth: ^^ |
| 03:10.08 | laodamas | "No wonder this clown died. His lungs are filled with CANDY!" |
| 03:10.21 | file | yay! |
| 03:18.17 | darth_mall | cool... I'd say this hw is pretty much done |
| 03:20.07 | darth_mall | blah |
| 03:20.22 | darth_mall | if only I could figure out why it was that LaTeX is being a pain about this one section |
| 03:20.30 | ChipX86 | :( when is it going to storm |
| 03:21.49 | zak | GODDAMN YOU DOMINOS |
| 03:21.56 | zak | i want my goddamn pizza |
| 03:22.18 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 03:24.29 | zak | ChipX86: good storm or icky storm |
| 03:24.43 | ChipX86 | good |
| 03:24.46 | ChipX86 | thunderstorm |
| 03:24.54 | zak | i love thunderstorms |
| 03:25.08 | pagefault | snow here |
| 03:25.46 | kergoth | See meg, things always work out as long as you do whatever you want without thinking about the consequences. |
| 03:26.12 | kergoth | booored |
| 03:27.15 | darth_mall | kergoth: it's ok, I forgive you |
| 03:38.07 | ChipX86 | hrm, hungry, but nothing sounds particularly good |
| 03:38.39 | lurgy | hmmmmmm |
| 03:38.46 | lurgy | darth_mall: time fer some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamlee guy shortly? |
| 03:40.18 | darth_mall | lurgy: naw, I got work to do |
| 03:40.32 | *** join/#tacobeam file (~file@mctn1-1987.nb.aliant.net) |
| 03:42.10 | lurgy | ooookeydoke |
| 03:46.11 | darth_mall | bleh... too much to do |
| 03:48.41 | ChipX86 | dinner is proving a difficult concept tonight |
| 03:48.48 | file | ignore it then |
| 03:49.04 | ChipX86 | I would if I wasn't so hungry |
| 03:49.15 | file | snack |
| 03:51.16 | lurgy | "these aren't kids! they're MIDGETS!" |
| 04:00.54 | pagefault | I require snack |
| 04:00.55 | purple_cow | yay, good movie |
| 04:04.59 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault_ (~pagefault@Ottawa-HSE-ppp4062152.sympatico.ca) |
| 04:05.07 | pf[laptop] | yay for bed |
| 04:07.58 | pf[laptop] | wow stupid us army propaganda commercial |
| 04:09.06 | purple_cow | anyone interested? |
| 04:09.11 | darth_mall | oof... I don't know if I can finish this hw |
| 04:09.17 | darth_mall | I'm tired and not thinking very well |
| 04:09.28 | pf[laptop] | vnc is not friendly with xchat |
| 04:10.04 | darth_mall | grrr... stupid LaTeX, wtf is wrong with you? |
| 04:13.58 | purple_cow | guess not |
| 04:14.26 | ChipX86 | dinner.. hmm |
| 04:14.44 | ChipX86 | I really should do something for dinner |
| 04:20.32 | purple_cow | oh no! scanline left me :( |
| 04:20.53 | darth_mall | bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh hw |
| 04:21.30 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: it's okay, I'll never leave you! |
| 04:21.50 | scanline | purple_cow is a naughty monkey |
| 04:22.19 | purple_cow | ChipX86: yay! |
| 04:24.07 | scanline | ChipX86: just lock up your phone |
| 04:24.10 | purple_cow | hurray, homework submitted |
| 04:24.15 | purple_cow | scanline: bah |
| 04:24.47 | scanline | mine isn't even cordless, so you have to stand around in my room when you're using it |
| 04:24.49 | scanline | kind of awkward |
| 04:25.10 | scanline | just buy a phone.. or at the very least see if yours is broken |
| 04:25.11 | purple_cow | well, i wasn't expecting you to move downstairs, since you were getting situated with your laptop :P |
| 04:25.14 | scanline | you haven't even tried to test it |
| 04:25.16 | purple_cow | yes i have |
| 04:25.18 | purple_cow | it's broken |
| 04:25.22 | scanline | ok |
| 04:25.24 | scanline | so get a new one |
| 04:30.46 | darth_mall | stupid cold |
| 04:31.23 | purple_cow | i love how scotty's "dress uniform" includes a kilt |
| 04:31.29 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:37.18 | ChipX86 | Robots looks to be a neat movie |
| 04:48.11 | purple_cow | hurray, a fight to the death |
| 04:48.43 | pf[laptop] | haw |
| 04:49.48 | purple_cow | ooh, and they're allowed to use whatever weapons they can find |
| 04:50.04 | pf[laptop] | are they playing the music? |
| 04:50.09 | purple_cow | which music? |
| 04:50.15 | pf[laptop] | the fight to the death music |
| 04:50.21 | purple_cow | not yet |
| 04:51.10 | pf[laptop] | oh |
| 04:52.42 | purple_cow | there it goes |
| 04:59.21 | ChipX86 | mai tais are yummy |
| 05:00.00 | pf[laptop] | ChipX86, getting hammered? |
| 05:00.31 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 05:01.54 | pf[laptop] | haha |
| 05:02.01 | pf[laptop] | "they're like sex except i'm having them" |
| 05:02.08 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 05:02.25 | ChipX86 | the galago site is too bland |
| 05:03.16 | ChipX86 | I love how everybody is analyzing process memory usage on pgo. Hopefully some cool things will get done |
| 05:04.33 | purple_cow | yay, dinner |
| 05:04.55 | scanline | what did you get? |
| 05:05.40 | purple_cow | one of those artichoke+sundried tomato pizzas |
| 05:05.54 | scanline | yum |
| 05:06.02 | ChipX86 | I got fish sticks! |
| 05:06.37 | pf[laptop] | ooh |
| 05:06.51 | pf[laptop] | put it on a diet |
| 05:07.09 | darth_mall | stupid crappy hw |
| 05:07.50 | purple_cow | ChipX86: massif is a great tool |
| 05:08.18 | darth_mall | hrm... I should take a bath and go to bed |
| 05:08.23 | ChipX86 | hmm, massif |
| 05:14.38 | zak | weeble weeble |
| 05:15.01 | zak | darth_mall: you actually take baths? |
| 05:16.21 | lurgy | zak: i stole some quarters, but i'll return the same number tomorrow |
| 05:16.48 | zak | lurgy: could you return them + utilities monies? |
| 05:16.57 | lurgy | zak: hopefully |
| 05:17.01 | ChipX86 | I wonder how much memory we're wasting from duplicated strings |
| 05:17.06 | zak | w00t! |
| 05:18.29 | zak | lurgy: before you write your check, opent he xcel bill on the table upstairs and add that in |
| 05:18.38 | zak | divide it by 3 before adding |
| 05:18.45 | lurgy | yay |
| 05:18.57 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:19.02 | scanline | this CRC card part is actually kinda fun |
| 05:19.09 | scanline | I get to design a system without debugging it |
| 05:19.14 | zak | lol i wish i didn't have to ask you. it would be nice if i were either a millionare or all this crap was free |
| 05:19.21 | purple_cow | ChipX86: probably not very much |
| 05:19.26 | lurgy | zak: :) no worries |
| 05:20.45 | purple_cow | hey look, what a surprise! |
| 05:21.20 | purple_cow | the alien flashy doodad magically knew which person on the bridge wasn't a main character |
| 05:21.51 | purple_cow | yikes |
| 05:22.07 | scanline | this quality metric makes big animations so much more bearable :) |
| 05:22.27 | scanline | yay motion blur |
| 05:22.41 | scanline | without it animations would look all worse and stuff, and would be easy to render on clusters |
| 05:24.57 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/fyre-unfiled/spiral-motion-blur.png |
| 05:25.55 | scanline | hah, mplayer has trouble playing that back uncompressed at full speed even when the video still fits in RAM |
| 05:25.59 | ChipX86 | http://www.warioware.biz/touched/launch/touchingisgood.html |
| 05:26.09 | scanline | well, that tiny bit I have done is already 85MB |
| 05:26.14 | ChipX86 | the demo for the games in that WarioWare Touched game where you can pick a guy's nose and unravel toilet paper |
| 05:26.43 | ChipX86 | this console is doomed |
| 05:28.02 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:29.06 | lurgy | "your best is an idiot!" |
| 05:29.25 | zak | everyone should check on it and act on it |
| 05:29.40 | zak | s/bils/bills |
| 05:29.53 | zak | purple_cow: there is even a note for you there, but it is mostly a question |
| 05:30.21 | zak | purple_cow: i underpaid? |
| 05:30.24 | zak | eeep! |
| 05:30.40 | purple_cow | you overpaid, but not by much |
| 05:31.03 | zak | purple_cow: keep it i don't think i care |
| 05:32.13 | purple_cow | ooh, it's a good thing the federation keeps all of their data on a big computer on a planet with no shields an no backups |
| 05:32.24 | scanline | kerzap |
| 05:32.25 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 05:32.38 | scanline | hmm.. lots of little objects.. slimspace predicted correctly |
| 05:33.20 | ChipX86 | (21:33:08) Bryan Lunt: there's something very wrong with my 3D engine.. |
| 05:33.21 | ChipX86 | (21:33:13) Bryan Lunt: but it looks cool |
| 05:34.34 | purple_cow | his 3d engine? |
| 05:34.47 | ChipX86 | he's spent the last 2 or 3 years trying to write a 3D graphics engine |
| 05:34.51 | ChipX86 | so he can build a professional game |
| 05:34.54 | scanline | I bet my 3D engine had cooler looking bugs |
| 05:35.20 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/screenshots/jetstream/the_lima_bean_planet.png |
| 05:35.25 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:35.33 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/screenshots/pybzflag/213880_213891.jpeg |
| 05:35.35 | purple_cow | navi gets *so many* google hits for "lima bean" |
| 05:35.38 | darth_mall | oh that feels sooooo good |
| 05:35.39 | scanline | it's too bad that one's just a thumbnail |
| 05:35.53 | scanline | purple_cow: hehe |
| 05:37.08 | scanline | g'night darth_mall |
| 05:37.15 | lurgy | night darth_mall |
| 05:38.37 | purple_cow | hmm, so apparently darth_mall had my oop book, not scanline |
| 05:38.50 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah.. this one's mine |
| 05:41.17 | purple_cow | mmm, that was a mighty tasty pizza |
| 05:46.00 | scanline | smelled mighty good |
| 05:47.23 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (~lalo@211.99.140.115) |
| 05:52.46 | lurgy | "i am proud to be shepherd of this herd of sharks" |
| 05:56.33 | purple_cow | and really, who wouldn't be |
| 05:57.52 | scanline | for concurrency, you really need a way to delegate the assignment of unique IDs to the db server, so at some level a lot of the objects have to be aware of the database whether you plan on serializing them immediately or not |
| 06:01.32 | purple_cow | concurrency is for chumps |
| 06:02.02 | purple_cow | wait a minute |
| 06:02.12 | purple_cow | so they're using this pressure chamber to banish evil spirits or something |
| 06:02.23 | purple_cow | but earlier in the episode they were calling it a "gravity chamber" |
| 06:02.31 | scanline | it's gravity pressure |
| 06:02.48 | ChipX86 | that's how you create pressure. You increase the gravity in all directions. |
| 06:02.55 | scanline | you know.. there's more gravity above you than below you, right, so the gravity pushes you down |
| 06:03.08 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 06:03.13 | ChipX86 | autopackage has me confuzzled |
| 06:03.19 | scanline | that's why stuff explodes in space, there's so much gravity |
| 06:03.24 | purple_cow | and meanwhile, kirk keeps saying "pressure!" dramatically |
| 06:03.27 | scanline | but you float because there's equal gravity on all sides |
| 06:04.01 | scanline | hrm |
| 06:04.12 | scanline | what's the keyboard-widget to change the font size in urxvt? |
| 06:05.15 | purple_cow | i just use the command line to set the font |
| 06:07.28 | ChipX86 | http://humanforsale.com/ |
| 06:10.51 | purple_cow | aww, it wants an email address |
| 06:10.52 | purple_cow | screw that |
| 06:10.59 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 06:11.29 | scanline | damnit |
| 06:11.36 | scanline | both of those phone calls had nothing on the other end but an echo |
| 06:11.47 | scanline | why do people still use phones? |
| 06:12.09 | purple_cow | hmm, an echo |
| 06:12.09 | ChipX86 | yay, I'm worth $1,972,090 |
| 06:12.11 | purple_cow | that's unusual |
| 06:12.14 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 06:12.36 | ChipX86 | put in a fake address |
| 06:12.40 | ChipX86 | it tells you the results immediately |
| 06:18.47 | nullpuppy | aww |
| 06:18.52 | scanline | blah for purple_cow |
| 06:18.53 | nullpuppy | You are worth exactly $1,780,770.00 |
| 06:20.12 | rioter | ill buy you for a $ |
| 06:20.15 | scanline | is this based on current market values? |
| 06:20.34 | nullpuppy | dunno, ask the site |
| 06:21.11 | nullpuppy | ~emulate gir |
| 06:21.12 | jbot | you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way. |
| 06:24.26 | slimspace | so is this OOP thing due at the END of tomorrow? |
| 06:25.33 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 06:25.34 | jbot | THE DIB! HE'S MISSING! THEY'VE TAKEN HIM AND DRAINED HIM OF HIS _sweet sweet blood candies_ |
| 06:26.01 | rioter | http://everquest2.station.sony.com/pizza/ |
| 06:26.07 | rioter | thats kinda scary |
| 06:27.31 | kergoth | you'd think hbo would get sick of running the 3 matrix movies in sequence over and over again |
| 06:27.52 | ChipX86 | yeah really. |
| 06:28.03 | ChipX86 | it's been a few months |
| 06:28.19 | kergoth | i think i've seen them all like 12 times now, just from leaving the tv on |
| 06:28.32 | kergoth | hehe, i like this movie. The Rundown |
| 06:29.52 | ChipX86 | so, California's had a few tornadoes today. That's good.. |
| 06:30.02 | kergoth | .. |
| 06:30.23 | ChipX86 | the weather is proving quite interesting lately |
| 06:33.24 | kergoth | ugh, my stomach is upset for some reason |
| 06:48.21 | purple_cow | wow |
| 06:48.30 | purple_cow | p.g.o traffic was almost twice that of freshmeat+gnomefiles |
| 06:48.50 | scanline | 111-1111. Lois? Damn! 111-1112. Lois? |
| 06:50.26 | scanline | That's it Mr. Giraffe, get all the marmalade |
| 07:03.16 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:03.17 | purple_cow | http://flapjack.navi.cx/monitor/traffic/eth0-day.gif |
| 07:03.21 | purple_cow | yay p.g.o |
| 07:03.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:05.31 | purple_cow | all the colortext is making me sad :( |
| 07:05.40 | scanline | :( |
| 07:07.59 | purple_cow | wow, CIA's budget is looking great |
| 07:08.10 | scanline | yup |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#tacobeam sbahra (~sbahra@212.116.212.156) |
| 07:18.24 | scanline | family guy :P |
| 07:18.57 | purple_cow | i mean, gilbert and sullivan is meant to be changed a bit in performance to update to the current political landscape |
| 07:19.03 | purple_cow | but it bothers me when people just steal the tunes |
| 07:19.22 | purple_cow | last show i saw one of the guys inserted a microsoft antitrust joke :) |
| 07:19.28 | scanline | ha |
| 07:51.40 | purple_cow | hmm, now what to watch... |
| 07:52.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:52.27 | scanline | good question |
| 07:52.36 | scanline | I might as well go, since I have a recitation right after it |
| 07:53.13 | purple_cow | well, i've got class at 11, but that's an extra hour.5 of sleep...hmm... |
| 07:53.30 | purple_cow | ooh, this is the one with the scalosians and the time acceleration thing |
| 07:53.54 | purple_cow | "my tricorder doesn't register" "registers on my ears!" |
| 07:54.46 | purple_cow | <uhura> incoming transmission from MCI...sounds like a limited time offer! |
| 07:54.52 | purple_cow | <al gore> tell them i'm in the tub! |
| 07:55.48 | lurgy | hehehe |
| 07:56.07 | purple_cow | that's such a great episode |
| 07:58.05 | purple_cow | hah |
| 07:58.26 | purple_cow | i love how hikaru says his panel is malfunctioning and both kirk and scotty walk over to try pressing the same buttons for themselves |
| 07:59.02 | ChipX86 | yay Hyperdeath |
| 07:59.56 | purple_cow | hyperdeath? |
| 08:00.27 | ChipX86 | Zap Brannigan's ship has Stun, Kill, and Hyperdeath(TM) |
| 08:01.39 | purple_cow | hehe, yep |
| 08:02.01 | purple_cow | that sounds like an incredibly sexy weapons system |
| 08:04.15 | scanline | "If you keep this up something terrible is going to happen" |
| 08:04.24 | scanline | "Yeah.. something terrible all the way to the bank!" |
| 08:05.23 | purple_cow | heh, guess they didn't have high-speed cameras in the 60s |
| 08:05.29 | purple_cow | this slow-motion is awfully jerky |
| 08:07.42 | purple_cow | i love how they make this scene seem weird by tilting the camera |
| 08:09.14 | scanline | yay, chumba-wumbas |
| 08:09.21 | scanline | almost as good as grunka-lunkas |
| 08:10.19 | purple_cow | grunka, lunka, dinki dingredient, do not ask about the secret ingredient! |
| 08:10.24 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:10.37 | scanline | best rhymes ever |
| 08:10.39 | ChipX86 | yay for the laundry room becoming the brig |
| 08:14.37 | kergoth | hmm - http://www.angryshirts.com/whore.php |
| 08:14.48 | ChipX86 | "If I don't survive, tell my wife Hello." |
| 08:16.24 | scanline | "You can only play the piano when you're drunk!" "That's not true, I can also vomit, fall over, and make dirty calls to your sister" |
| 08:16.34 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 08:16.35 | purple_cow | i like the mental gymnist shirt |
| 08:16.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:16.39 | kergoth | peter rules |
| 08:17.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:17.10 | kergoth | i like TV Never lies too |
| 08:17.27 | kergoth | hmm, should sleep |
| 08:17.58 | purple_cow | wow |
| 08:18.08 | purple_cow | lots of people adding themselves to the CC list on the fyre gentoo bug |
| 08:18.15 | scanline | oh? |
| 08:18.22 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 08:18.39 | ChipX86 | geeze |
| 08:18.44 | scanline | ah, yes |
| 08:18.50 | ChipX86 | 90MB of downloads for those two pics in the last hour |
| 08:18.54 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:18.57 | purple_cow | wow |
| 08:19.12 | ChipX86 | total for today: 869MB |
| 08:19.14 | scanline | <peter> Lois, look over there! |
| 08:19.17 | scanline | * Lois looks |
| 08:19.17 | ChipX86 | give or take some for other sites |
| 08:19.19 | ChipX86 | but mainly, pgo |
| 08:19.21 | scanline | * The cops run |
| 08:20.11 | purple_cow | i'm surprised at how many people are running their own little planets that aggregate pgo |
| 08:20.16 | ChipX86 | heh, this month, I've used 2.11GB of transfer. Almost half of that is today |
| 08:20.17 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:20.24 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:20.26 | purple_cow | hehehehe |
| 08:20.34 | purple_cow | i love nat's wrist photo |
| 08:20.39 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:20.41 | scanline | ChipX86: you should post more big images to blogs, you have too much bandwidth left |
| 08:21.04 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:23.36 | scanline | hahaha |
| 08:23.48 | scanline | I forgot how awesome the beginning of "Brian Does Hollywood" is |
| 08:24.02 | scanline | Previously on Family Guy.... |
| 08:24.08 | purple_cow | :) |
| 08:26.03 | scanline | <meg> We got a letter from Brian! |
| 08:26.06 | scanline | <peter> Tell him I'm not here |
| 08:27.25 | purple_cow | ooh, that's foul |
| 08:27.46 | scanline | heh |
| 08:28.25 | ChipX86 | not looking forward to this week :( |
| 08:28.33 | ChipX86 | I'm in charge of maintaining the bug list |
| 08:29.40 | ChipX86 | looking at the bugs that come in that are assigned to our team, asking questions, figuring out who they go to, and then assigning them to people |
| 08:29.48 | ChipX86 | which isn't a big deal, but it's boring |
| 08:30.09 | ChipX86 | there's not really anything else for me to do this week either.. I guess I'll work on things I want to clean up in vmware |
| 08:30.54 | purple_cow | ooh, kirk just got lucky with some alien chick |
| 08:32.43 | rioter | http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1623146 |
| 08:32.46 | rioter | oops |
| 08:32.54 | rioter | http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2F4W24NRDK3N232E9P1VKMG6QD |
| 08:32.58 | rioter | tis what i meant to post |
| 08:33.11 | purple_cow | what is that? |
| 08:33.32 | rioter | family guy thing from some awards show |
| 08:42.07 | ChipX86 | must do something productive.. but incredibly lazy.. |
| 08:42.31 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 08:47.09 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7053 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network.c: less broken |
| 08:47.38 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7054 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c preferences_servers_page.c): add a few lines of broken code and delete a whole lotta lines of working code. woohoo! |
| 08:48.34 | scanline | hmm.. cheap and oggful... |
| 08:48.37 | scanline | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=55-150-027&depa=0 |
| 08:48.55 | ChipX86 | 256MB |
| 08:49.22 | ChipX86 | could just use a zaurus for that |
| 08:49.29 | scanline | zaurus sucks as a music player |
| 08:49.34 | scanline | way too big and the battery is awful |
| 08:49.37 | ChipX86 | yeah.. |
| 08:49.44 | scanline | I'd just like something tiny with an SD slot |
| 08:50.21 | purple_cow | i like the comment that it sounds "just as good if not better than a cd player" |
| 08:50.22 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 08:50.26 | rioter | sell you my dell axim :P |
| 08:50.48 | purple_cow | hmm, mozilla firecow |
| 08:51.30 | scanline | that looks awfully cute |
| 08:51.32 | scanline | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=55-101-112&depa=0 |
| 08:51.38 | purple_cow | and it sounds better than CD! |
| 08:51.39 | scanline | 20gb, ogg, tiny |
| 08:51.43 | purple_cow | what a bargain! |
| 08:51.51 | ChipX86 | scanline: I was looking at that |
| 08:51.56 | ChipX86 | almost bought it when they had a really good deal recently |
| 08:52.01 | ChipX86 | but some of the reviews scared me |
| 08:52.48 | ChipX86 | here: |
| 08:52.54 | ChipX86 | http://www.compuplus.com/i/AUDIO/MP3-Players/RIO-DNNA-Digital-Networks-Rio-Karma-USB-20-20GB-Hard-Drive-Black-on-light-gray-MP3-Player-90260461-1001537.html?sid=lz2c02lsroi3926 |
| 08:52.59 | scanline | holy cow |
| 08:53.03 | scanline | amazon has it for $200 |
| 08:53.09 | ChipX86 | compuplus has it for $174 |
| 08:53.12 | scanline | ooh |
| 08:53.25 | ChipX86 | really tempted |
| 08:53.38 | scanline | docking station with ethernet? that can't be right |
| 08:53.50 | ChipX86 | some reviews say that the case and the drive are very fragile |
| 08:54.13 | scanline | at that price I'd just coat it in epoxy or stick it in an altoids box :P |
| 08:54.18 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:54.24 | ChipX86 | going to get one? |
| 08:54.39 | scanline | not immediately, but I'll think about it |
| 08:55.05 | ChipX86 | FLAC too |
| 08:55.09 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:55.12 | ChipX86 | visualizations |
| 08:55.15 | ChipX86 | backlit |
| 08:55.19 | ChipX86 | http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=261 |
| 08:55.33 | ChipX86 | I've been needing something other than my laptop. If this breaks at $174, oh well. |
| 08:55.50 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 08:55.53 | scanline | whoa |
| 08:56.02 | scanline | this site says it has ethernet too |
| 08:56.02 | purple_cow | anderson is starting with patterns tomorrow |
| 08:56.04 | scanline | why does it have ethernet? |
| 08:56.07 | ChipX86 | it does have ethernet |
| 08:56.08 | scanline | purple_cow: ooh |
| 08:56.22 | scanline | oh, sweet |
| 08:56.26 | scanline | it runs a file server over ethernet |
| 08:56.27 | scanline | damn |
| 08:56.30 | scanline | that's sexy |
| 08:56.30 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 08:56.37 | ChipX86 | you know what? I'm getting it. |
| 08:56.44 | scanline | oooh |
| 08:56.46 | scanline | and an SD slot |
| 08:56.50 | ChipX86 | reallyA?A |
| 08:56.51 | scanline | er |
| 08:56.56 | ChipX86 | -A |
| 08:57.01 | scanline | nah, this glossary is for other players too |
| 08:57.05 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 08:57.08 | ChipX86 | still, 20GB |
| 08:57.19 | scanline | yeah. not exactly like you need one, except to copy files on and off it |
| 08:57.26 | scanline | and I don't have a digital camera that's worth using |
| 08:57.37 | ChipX86 | I like the RCA cable stuff, even though I have adapters anyway |
| 08:58.06 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:58.12 | scanline | oh yikes |
| 08:58.30 | ChipX86 | oh? :) |
| 08:59.05 | ChipX86 | I like the crossfade support |
| 08:59.11 | ChipX86 | that rocks |
| 08:59.17 | purple_cow | scanline: i'm quite satisfied with the powershot S410 :) |
| 08:59.42 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah. I still need to get me a camera, though right now I'm more interested in a music player |
| 08:59.51 | scanline | and this one rocks far more than I could possibly have expected |
| 08:59.58 | scanline | take that apple! |
| 09:00.16 | ChipX86 | I wonder how reliable compuplus is |
| 09:00.36 | scanline | did you find them on froogle? |
| 09:00.46 | ChipX86 | no, dealnews |
| 09:01.07 | scanline | froogle finds several places at about that price |
| 09:02.22 | scanline | froogle also has a lot of reviews |
| 09:02.28 | ChipX86 | yeah. |
| 09:02.43 | ChipX86 | which is what prevented me from buying it last time |
| 09:02.50 | ChipX86 | there's a lot of positive, but still quite a number of negative |
| 09:03.03 | ChipX86 | many of which are "It's not an ipod!" and "It won't work with my software configuration!" |
| 09:03.06 | ChipX86 | but some are harddrive issues |
| 09:03.38 | purple_cow | hard drive issues are the best issues |
| 09:03.44 | scanline | hah |
| 09:03.45 | scanline | http://karmalib.sourceforge.net/news.php |
| 09:04.06 | ChipX86 | hrm, why do we need a library for it? |
| 09:05.33 | scanline | oh. I think that's for the TCP/IP protocol |
| 09:05.57 | ChipX86 | comp-u-plus sounds safe enough |
| 09:06.25 | ChipX86 | buy.com has it too |
| 09:06.38 | ChipX86 | heh. "List Price: $599.95. You save: $419.96" |
| 09:06.41 | ChipX86 | right. |
| 09:06.43 | scanline | hah |
| 09:06.54 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 09:06.58 | ChipX86 | features: "Powerfu" |
| 09:07.08 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: ..? |
| 09:09.41 | ChipX86 | I think I'll buy it |
| 09:09.54 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:10.01 | purple_cow | we're getting closer to owning the top 2 slots on google |
| 09:11.49 | rioter | for what? |
| 09:12.05 | purple_cow | fyre |
| 09:13.07 | rioter | ah ok |
| 09:13.15 | ChipX86 | 2-5 business days for a total of $200, or 1 day for $213? |
| 09:13.24 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: :) |
| 09:13.28 | ChipX86 | google is my special friend |
| 09:13.45 | purple_cow | :) |
| 09:14.02 | ChipX86 | I'm on the 2nd page for deviantart still :D |
| 09:14.59 | scanline | THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON |
| 09:15.17 | scanline | SEPT 9th 1999 |
| 09:15.22 | ChipX86 | I don't even need my credit card anymore. I have everything memorized :/ |
| 09:15.24 | purple_cow | uh oh |
| 09:15.46 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i don't see you. guess i have a different google |
| 09:16.06 | ChipX86 | did you click on the "with the omitted results" link? |
| 09:16.46 | purple_cow | i don't see that link... |
| 09:16.55 | ChipX86 | huh. |
| 09:17.02 | rioter | i dont know but i can buy fyre on ebay |
| 09:17.08 | purple_cow | might be doing a regional test of something |
| 09:17.30 | ChipX86 | is Fyre: News #1 for you? |
| 09:17.39 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 09:17.59 | purple_cow | hmm, that's odd |
| 09:18.05 | purple_cow | the freshmeat page was at #4 and now it's not |
| 09:19.06 | ChipX86 | I bought the Rio |
| 09:19.54 | scanline | ChipX86: hm, I should do that |
| 09:19.55 | purple_cow | :( |
| 09:20.09 | scanline | yay, trippy intro! |
| 09:20.10 | ChipX86 | at least the good reviews more than double the bad :) |
| 09:20.21 | ChipX86 | and most of the bad that I've seen are "I donm't like it! It's not like my previous mp3 player"! |
| 09:20.41 | scanline | ethernet, ogg, and price seem to be quite the selling points |
| 09:20.50 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 09:21.00 | ChipX86 | I won't buy a non-ogg player. The ethernet is a nice bonus |
| 09:21.26 | ChipX86 | but the real selling point for me is the Powerfu |
| 09:21.32 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:21.43 | purple_cow | does it have a UFO a/c adaptor? |
| 09:23.15 | scanline | huh |
| 09:23.22 | scanline | compuplus will only ship to your billing address |
| 09:23.23 | scanline | I hate that |
| 09:23.30 | ChipX86 | I used buy.com |
| 09:23.42 | ChipX86 | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=90124553&SearchEngine=Froogle&SearchTerm=90124553&Type=PE&Category=Elec&dcaid=17379 |
| 09:23.51 | ChipX86 | only $5 more |
| 09:24.31 | scanline | purple_cow: look at all that work you did that I didn't! more efficient my way |
| 09:24.59 | scanline | ooh, powerfu |
| 09:25.10 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:25.15 | ChipX86 | buy.com's version is clearly superior |
| 09:25.22 | scanline | yep |
| 09:25.35 | scanline | aww.. they want you to make a login? |
| 09:25.39 | scanline | silly web sites |
| 09:25.44 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:25.56 | ChipX86 | yay for the tab@portaldesign.net e-mail address |
| 09:28.10 | ChipX86 | ooh, CBS had a special tonight explaining why some kids cut themselves. Finally, we'll know the answer to that |
| 09:29.49 | scanline | yay ordered |
| 09:30.09 | ChipX86 | me too :D |
| 09:30.47 | ChipX86 | it's a cute little player |
| 09:30.53 | purple_cow | ChipX86: obviously the reason is video games and violence on TV |
| 09:30.53 | ChipX86 | I just hope it's good |
| 09:30.57 | scanline | it's a good thing all the TVs are black&white in the futuristic world of 1999 |
| 09:31.41 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: yep, and don't forget the internet. These darn kids nowadays on the internet get into all kinds of stuff |
| 09:31.48 | ChipX86 | and porn! Porn's another cause. |
| 09:31.53 | purple_cow | yep |
| 09:32.00 | ChipX86 | it's also the reason we have so many blind kids now |
| 09:32.02 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 09:32.03 | purple_cow | like right now, i'm getting into my bed |
| 09:32.12 | ChipX86 | I can't tell you how many times I've broken into government computers! |
| 09:32.29 | ChipX86 | I'm just a bad egg, I guess. Brb, going to go cut myself |
| 09:33.19 | purple_cow | make sure to wash the knife when you're done |
| 09:33.22 | scanline | oh no, purple_cow's bed |
| 09:33.28 | scanline | that's a dangerous and exciting place |
| 09:33.33 | ChipX86 | not asking |
| 09:33.46 | purple_cow | ChipX86: probably for the best |
| 09:33.50 | purple_cow | 'night folks |
| 09:33.54 | scanline | g'night |
| 09:33.55 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 09:34.04 | ChipX86 | sleep sounds happy |
| 09:34.15 | scanline | yeah |
| 09:34.40 | ChipX86 | I should pimp destroymornings again tomorrow on pgo |
| 09:35.03 | scanline | I should pick up my destroymornings stuff at the post office tomorrow, apparently |
| 09:35.04 | ChipX86 | uh oh, up to almost 1GB now of downloads |
| 09:35.16 | ChipX86 | 975.57MB |
| 09:35.50 | ChipX86 | makes me glad I don't host it locally now |
| 09:37.17 | scanline | haha. that beam from the stun gun wasn't even lined up with the end of the gun |
| 09:37.19 | scanline | so high-tech! |
| 09:39.14 | scanline | whoa |
| 09:39.21 | scanline | the fyre 1.0.0 autopackage is in google's cache |
| 09:39.25 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 09:39.26 | scanline | apparently it thinks it's a text file |
| 09:39.28 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 09:41.27 | ChipX86 | I just discovered earlier that my parents read my blog. |
| 09:41.37 | scanline | hah |
| 09:41.41 | ChipX86 | I didn't even know that they knew I had a blog, or even knew what a blog was |
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| 10:31.17 | ChipX86 | yay google |
| 10:31.20 | ChipX86 | I'm on page 2 for svn |
| 11:57.50 | scanline | yep.. definitely getting no sleep tonight |
| 11:57.53 | scanline | at least I think this is almost done |
| 12:14.01 | Sophie_ | I'm freakin starving |
| 12:59.19 | rioter | want this left over chop |
| 12:59.25 | rioter | it has some wierd sauce |
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| 13:06.46 | scanline | blah |
| 13:06.54 | scanline | how do you keep UML diagrams from turning into a complete mess? |
| 15:45.42 | purple_cow | hmm, nicely-burned coffee |
| 15:52.32 | scanline | it's only been on for 3 hours or so :P |
| 15:53.26 | scanline | oh well. got my physics homework and my OOP homework done, so now I get to go to a maybe-not-that-boring OOP lecture, then I get to learn about resistors some more... |
| 15:53.38 | scanline | then I get to spend the rest of my waking minutes working on my senior project probably |
| 15:55.16 | purple_cow | crazy bastard |
| 15:55.38 | scanline | well, I saved the oowriter stuffs to a PDF, then saved a postscript from inkscape |
| 15:55.44 | scanline | and used ghostscript to concatenate into one PDF |
| 15:56.05 | scanline | I think inkscape's responsible for most of that bulk, due to converting everything into postscript paths |
| 15:56.48 | purple_cow | i doubt it |
| 15:57.01 | purple_cow | scanline: i wanna see an svg of your relationship doodad |
| 15:57.37 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/hw02-uml.svg |
| 15:58.34 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 16:33.06 | scanline | wakka wakka wakka |
| 16:34.02 | purple_cow | for some reason about half the times i boot it doesn't start dhcpcd |
| 16:34.28 | slimspace | yay, my new wireless applet connects to preferred networks |
| 16:36.25 | purple_cow | new wireless applet? |
| 16:36.37 | slimspace | yeah, I built a new one over this last weekend. |
| 16:36.54 | purple_cow | cool |
| 16:36.57 | scanline | ORANGE |
| 16:37.11 | lurgy | PORKCH0PSANDWICHES |
| 16:37.26 | slimspace | SHOES! |
| 16:37.49 | lurgy | who doesn't in this day and age |
| 16:38.19 | scanline | yep |
| 16:38.59 | scanline | oh no, teams |
| 16:39.05 | scanline | too bad I don't know anyone in this class |
| 16:39.08 | slimspace | mmm, me too |
| 16:39.48 | scanline | they really could have just sent us a link to the c2 wiki instead of making us buy textbooks |
| 16:40.07 | scanline | I mean, those guys invented CRC cards.. the description on their site is the same as the one in the book as far as I can tell |
| 16:40.26 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 16:40.33 | purple_cow | yay for the c2 wiki |
| 16:40.43 | slimspace | yay for not buying the book |
| 16:40.47 | scanline | haha |
| 16:41.19 | scanline | hmm.. this one is actually a book I should have though |
| 16:41.28 | purple_cow | which? |
| 16:41.35 | scanline | the design patterns book |
| 16:41.45 | purple_cow | hmm, yeah |
| 16:41.52 | scanline | hm |
| 16:42.03 | scanline | this class has a negative effect on my keyboard |
| 16:42.14 | scanline | I tend to pick at the page up/down keys when bored or annoyed |
| 16:42.18 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 16:42.32 | purple_cow | i like the first paragraph on the SoftwareDevelopment page on the c2 wiki |
| 16:43.21 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:45.32 | scanline | -rw-r--r-- 1 micah users 1809598672 Feb 22 05:46 rendering.avi |
| 16:45.38 | slimspace | ! |
| 16:45.42 | scanline | eventually this is going to need a way to get around AVI files' 2GB limit |
| 16:47.04 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 16:49.57 | nullpuppy | use ogg :) |
| 16:54.49 | scanline | yumm |
| 16:54.54 | scanline | plays kinda slow on my laptop though |
| 16:55.01 | scanline | this video driver chokes on 1024x768 xvideo ports |
| 16:57.11 | purple_cow | bleah |
| 16:57.22 | purple_cow | it's a good thing his slides say what he wanted :P |
| 16:57.35 | scanline | mmyep |
| 16:57.49 | scanline | at least we're starting out with some important patterns.. ones that everybody should already know about |
| 16:57.58 | purple_cow | true |
| 17:00.12 | scanline | pff |
| 17:00.36 | scanline | he could answer this really easily by saying it's pretty much equivalent to namespacing but that it lets you use inheritance and other OOpish features |
| 17:00.52 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 17:00.54 | scanline | unless you're in some language that just lets you subclass arbitrary namespaces |
| 17:01.27 | scanline | I never bother in cases like this |
| 17:01.34 | scanline | I'd rather just sit here bored while everyone's confused |
| 17:01.38 | purple_cow | heh |
| 17:01.59 | purple_cow | hey look, sf cvs is broken |
| 17:02.05 | scanline | oh no! |
| 17:02.08 | scanline | shock! |
| 17:02.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 17:02.31 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:04.01 | scanline | damn it |
| 17:04.03 | hardwire | its electric |
| 17:04.05 | hardwire | boogie woogie woogie |
| 17:04.10 | scanline | I've never seen anyone take this freaking long to explain singletons |
| 17:04.14 | scanline | it's not that hard! |
| 17:05.03 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:05.13 | scanline | 30 minutes on yoshi+navi to do a q=2.0 1024x768 3x rendering |
| 17:05.23 | scanline | if the estimate is right, which it probably isn't |
| 17:05.48 | scanline | guh |
| 17:05.57 | scanline | and fuck, a printer is one of the worst examples of a singleton that I can think of |
| 17:06.16 | scanline | just go ahead and talk about factories, they give you lots of great examples of when to use singletons |
| 17:06.52 | scanline | hasn't he already talked about the rule where you have to decide whether there should be zero, one, or any number of something? |
| 17:06.56 | scanline | that would make this so much simpler |
| 17:07.16 | purple_cow | i think he's alluded to it but not really talked about it |
| 17:07.16 | scanline | I mean, there are a few exceptions.. |
| 17:07.35 | scanline | but in the vast majority of cases, if you're deciding on a number other than zero, one, or unlimited it's completely arbitrary |
| 17:07.45 | scanline | and if you decide on one, you have to think carefully about whether it's arbitrary |
| 17:07.53 | scanline | he's throwing up all these completely arbitrary singletons |
| 17:08.14 | scanline | even the security manager is a lousy example, since you may have an environment in which you want some things to execute in a restricted security context |
| 17:08.30 | scanline | a cache or a factory would make a lot more sense |
| 17:08.59 | scanline | hmm, now it's estimating 1.5 hours |
| 17:09.08 | purple_cow | bah, so many heads in the way of the screen |
| 17:10.04 | scanline | GET A SCANNER |
| 17:12.34 | scanline | hrmph |
| 17:12.41 | scanline | these factory examples are kinda lame too |
| 17:12.48 | scanline | only really useful in languages where classes aren't first-class objects |
| 17:13.16 | purple_cow | like java? |
| 17:13.20 | scanline | uhhuh |
| 17:14.17 | scanline | it gets much more interesting when you have constructors that, *gasp*, take parameters! |
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| 17:15.51 | lurgy | he lies! |
| 17:16.48 | scanline | whoa |
| 17:16.51 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/source/outside/ |
| 17:16.54 | scanline | weird spikes |
| 17:17.47 | scanline | ooh |
| 17:17.54 | scanline | I think that battery just hit its knee |
| 17:18.03 | scanline | that's cool |
| 17:18.33 | scanline | ahhh |
| 17:18.39 | scanline | it went a little flat |
| 17:19.00 | scanline | that probably means that the A/D converter's reference voltage is starting to fall at about the same rate as the battery voltage |
| 17:19.07 | scanline | so.. probably needs a new battery |
| 17:19.49 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7055 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c irc-network.c): actually return the objects from their constructors |
| 17:20.13 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7056 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c irc-network.c): remove debug output |
| 17:20.31 | scanline | grf |
| 17:20.40 | scanline | why isn't he talking about factories in the context of interfaces? |
| 17:21.02 | darth_mall | bleh |
| 17:21.22 | purple_cow | scanline: because that would make sense? |
| 17:21.22 | scanline | I know, let's do all this crazy crap rather than using a language where classes are first class objects |
| 17:21.42 | scanline | and lets' talk about all that instead of cases when factories actaully make sense |
| 17:23.09 | purple_cow | bleh, factories don't even make sense for this example |
| 17:23.12 | darth_mall | scanline: you should start asking annoying questions |
| 17:23.14 | purple_cow | and it's in a book |
| 17:23.27 | darth_mall | "wouldn't this make more sense if..." |
| 17:23.36 | scanline | darth_mall: I would, if I was the type that actually asked questions in class |
| 17:23.41 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 17:24.07 | purple_cow | heh |
| 17:24.11 | kergoth_ | i should learn more about OOP, i tend to just flounder about until I get something working |
| 17:24.15 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:24.45 | purple_cow | i'm glad he's finally moved on to something useful, but it shouldn't take an hour to explain singletons and factories |
| 17:24.49 | scanline | yeah |
| 17:25.03 | scanline | I've still learned more from hanging out in #fresco and the c2 wiki than I have in this class :P |
| 17:25.14 | purple_cow | hehe, #fresco |
| 17:25.32 | scanline | yeah. those guys were all hardcore theoretical OOP junkies to the point of often being annoying ;) |
| 17:27.00 | scanline | it also irks me how everybody seems to try to teach OOP with application and document examples |
| 17:27.26 | scanline | it's a real-world example, but it tends to force you into a certain way of thinking that's just bogus when working on vastly different types of software |
| 17:27.34 | scanline | it'd be much cooler if they had networking examples and OS-level examples |
| 17:27.52 | purple_cow | well, obviously the most common OOP software is an office suite |
| 17:27.59 | scanline | it sure seems that way |
| 17:28.15 | scanline | I'm sure apple would have you believe that |
| 17:29.11 | scanline | I love how java makes it so easy to have about a dozen files that all total up to maybe 100 lines of actual code |
| 17:29.36 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7057 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (irc-network-editor.c irc-network-editor.h): pack the contents of the dialog |
| 17:29.57 | scanline | wow.. a 5 line file |
| 17:30.17 | scanline | wouldn't an example like this be easier to demonstrate in, say, one screenful of python code? |
| 17:30.21 | darth_mall | hmm... I should head off to class |
| 17:30.25 | purple_cow | scanline: shh! |
| 17:30.35 | scanline | ANTI-JAVA SENTIMENT ALARM! |
| 17:30.43 | purple_cow | you can't let people see all the code at once |
| 17:30.52 | scanline | now they'll eject me from the CS department for hating java |
| 17:31.01 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 17:31.03 | scanline | or maybe I'll just die of boredom... |
| 17:31.05 | scanline | kerplop |
| 17:31.09 | scanline | fizzzzzzzzz! |
| 17:31.13 | scanline | klunk |
| 17:31.13 | purple_cow | no, i think they're only allowed to kick you in the rear for hating java |
| 17:31.25 | purple_cow | but i think they *can* eject you for hating C++ |
| 17:31.36 | scanline | ok.. |
| 17:31.52 | scanline | so this entire example would be something like random.choice(BlueBalloon, YellowBalloon...)() in python |
| 17:32.09 | purple_cow | yep :) |
| 17:32.47 | purple_cow | how does he think that anyone is learning anything from these examples? |
| 17:33.51 | purple_cow | oof |
| 17:33.55 | purple_cow | "the state pattern" ? |
| 17:35.25 | purple_cow | glurg |
| 17:35.31 | purple_cow | scanline should be teaching this class :P |
| 17:36.01 | scanline | pff |
| 17:36.16 | scanline | I was so close to asking if he had any factory examples that were still useful in a language where classes are first-class objects |
| 17:36.23 | purple_cow | :) |
| 17:36.23 | scanline | but now he has to go change the subject |
| 17:36.55 | scanline | yay adapters... wonder if he'll do these justice |
| 17:37.22 | ChipX86 | ugh, morning |
| 17:37.27 | scanline | hi |
| 17:37.51 | scanline | ugh |
| 17:38.00 | scanline | I get to work in small groups on resistor problems after this |
| 17:38.05 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 17:38.07 | ChipX86 | ~mornings |
| 17:38.09 | jbot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:38.14 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 17:38.19 | scanline | =) |
| 17:38.26 | ChipX86 | wearing my DM shirt |
| 17:38.38 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:39.11 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 17:39.40 | scanline | yep |
| 17:40.05 | kergoth_ | this morning the starbucks barista said i "look like a musician", whatever that means |
| 17:40.11 | kergoth_ | out of nowhere |
| 17:40.31 | ChipX86 | wow, lots of response on my blog post about networking in linux |
| 17:40.35 | ChipX86 | including a gaim patch |
| 17:40.45 | scanline | it really bugs me that all these OO examples have such a java spin on them.. not just because java annoys me, but because it doesn't train people to think about OO outside the context of a particular language |
| 17:40.53 | scanline | people should be able to apply design patterns to C code equally well |
| 17:40.57 | ChipX86 | who is Hunter Thompson? |
| 17:41.12 | purple_cow | ChipX86: the guy who died? |
| 17:41.17 | ChipX86 | I know he died |
| 17:41.17 | scanline | LIME GREEN on GRAY |
| 17:41.18 | scanline | ARRR |
| 17:41.19 | ChipX86 | or didn't |
| 17:41.24 | purple_cow | ChipX86: he wrote "fear and loathing in las vegas" |
| 17:41.25 | ChipX86 | but I have no idea who he is |
| 17:41.27 | purple_cow | iirc |
| 17:41.27 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 17:41.41 | scanline | my stomach rumbles with angst |
| 17:41.43 | scanline | optical angst |
| 17:42.04 | kergoth_ | you guys really dont make school sound worth going to |
| 17:42.08 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 17:42.11 | scanline | mmmyep |
| 17:42.28 | purple_cow | kergoth_: not this class at least |
| 17:42.31 | scanline | kergoth_: you might get something out of it... maybe... but in general they just don't know how to teach |
| 17:43.41 | scanline | wow.. creative... |
| 17:43.47 | purple_cow | yep |
| 17:48.26 | kergoth_ | i wonder what my boss would say if i bought that "i'm a corporate whore" t shirt and wore it to work |
| 17:55.15 | darth_mall | bleeeeeeeh... stupid cold |
| 17:55.40 | darth_mall | kergoth: you should get it ^^ |
| 17:55.58 | kergoth_ | my job is already on the line, what have i got to lose :P |
| 17:58.57 | darth_mall | I doubt you'd get in that much trouble for wearing a t-shirt |
| 17:59.28 | kergoth_ | you're probably right, though thats less fun |
| 18:00.04 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:05.00 | darth_mall | someone needs to invent a cure for whatever illness it is that I have now |
| 18:06.01 | darth_mall | omfg |
| 18:06.27 | darth_mall | I'm so tired of CS people not even knowing basic computing skills |
| 18:08.19 | kergoth_ | Subject: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] XGL/mesa-solo and fbdev |
| 18:08.21 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:08.33 | kergoth_ | yay for the xgl people improving the linux framebuffer enough to meet their needs |
| 18:08.49 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 18:24.56 | darth_mall | omg... why is he talking about circular dependencies... |
| 18:25.00 | darth_mall | these are not dependencies... |
| 18:25.13 | kergoth_ | to anger you? |
| 18:28.01 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth_ (~kergoth@ip71.churchill-park.dfw.ygnition.net) |
| 18:44.50 | darth_mall | bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh |
| 18:53.39 | *** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.88.119) |
| 18:54.58 | scanline | that was soooooooo much fun |
| 18:57.01 | darth_mall | uhoh... slimspace|away is bein' all wonky |
| 18:57.15 | slimspace | hmm...I really am here |
| 18:57.45 | darth_mall | hi slimspace |
| 18:58.10 | darth_mall | oh no! Joe's never seen realultimatepower.net |
| 18:59.00 | kergoth | blehhh |
| 19:05.06 | darth_mall | ouch |
| 19:05.10 | darth_mall | sneezing is so painful right now |
| 19:12.26 | Sophie_ | aww |
| 19:12.35 | Sophie_ | you should move down here. |
| 19:12.53 | darth_mall | who, me? |
| 19:12.57 | Sophie_ | mhm |
| 19:13.00 | darth_mall | how come? |
| 19:13.19 | Sophie_ | because we have humidity |
| 19:13.30 | Sophie_ | and your cold (or flu) would go away |
| 19:13.35 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 19:13.55 | slimspace | darth_mall: that's a good point. You might think about getting a humifier if it stays around |
| 19:13.58 | darth_mall | I dunno... it gets pretty humid in Penn, and I got sick all the time as a child |
| 19:14.10 | Sophie_ | hm. |
| 19:14.27 | darth_mall | yay class is almost over |
| 19:14.30 | Sophie_ | it's been pretty much 75 degrees and sunny since we got here. |
| 19:14.30 | darth_mall | time to pack up |
| 19:14.48 | slimspace | :( |
| 19:15.44 | Fixedwidth_away | that's my cool new nickname |
| 19:16.09 | Fixedwidth_away | (it's awesome). |
| 19:16.15 | Fixedwidth_away | OK I'm away now |
| 19:23.51 | Sophie_ | ok, not really |
| 19:24.27 | Sophie_ | I just went outside to check the mail, and there were these two little lizards |
| 19:25.08 | Sophie_ | and they can jump pretty good, and run like nobody's business, these lizards |
| 19:25.52 | Sophie_ | and they're everywhere in florida. The other day I saw one hanging out in our gutter. |
| 19:26.11 | Sophie_ | he was just chillin' there, only his head poking out. |
| 19:26.18 | purple_cow | so protools is actually a surprisingly awesome program |
| 19:26.27 | pagefault | crazy lizards |
| 19:29.31 | Sophie_ | whacha doing with musician software? |
| 19:29.38 | Sophie_ | do you make music? |
| 19:29.58 | purple_cow | up until now my music has been purely acoustic ;) |
| 19:30.02 | purple_cow | oh god |
| 19:30.24 | purple_cow | ``This feature is already planned for 2.0.0 (but not yet implemented in CVS), but handled differently, by detecting if GNOME is running and, if so, getting it directly from gconftool-2 through a pipe.'' |
| 19:30.36 | purple_cow | things like that make baby jesus cry :( |
| 19:31.09 | Sophie_ | poor baby jesus. |
| 19:32.44 | Sophie_ | maybe I should have more irl social interaction. |
| 19:35.31 | TD | phew! what a day |
| 19:35.49 | TD | i just got old i ate too fast |
| 19:37.45 | purple_cow | Sophie_: irl social interaction is for chumps |
| 19:38.36 | Sophie_ | oh yeah, is that what your "friends" tell you? |
| 19:38.44 | Sophie_ | sorry, that was uncalled for. |
| 19:38.48 | purple_cow | absolutely |
| 19:38.57 | Sophie_ | :) |
| 19:39.58 | Sophie_ | I'm going to start taking drugs this thursday |
| 19:40.12 | pagefault | hah |
| 19:40.19 | Sophie_ | so you all can witness my glorious transformation |
| 19:40.31 | pagefault | what kind of drugs? |
| 19:40.56 | Sophie_ | dunno yet. I'm thinking Strattera, unless it's too expensive |
| 19:41.05 | TD | psycho-suppressants |
| 19:41.10 | TD | sorry, that was uncalled for ;) |
| 19:41.10 | pagefault | cool never heard of that one |
| 19:41.11 | Sophie_ | else perhaps adderall. |
| 19:41.33 | Sophie_ | I can never spell it right |
| 19:42.09 | Sophie_ | actually, I did that time. |
| 19:42.27 | pagefault | everyone is on drugs these days :) |
| 19:42.59 | Sophie_ | I'm going to transform into a drone |
| 19:43.12 | purple_cow | :( |
| 19:43.22 | TD | and serve your corporate masters |
| 19:43.37 | Sophie_ | that's the plan |
| 19:44.10 | Sophie_ | and in exchange, society will reward me with degrees and fat paychecks. |
| 19:44.24 | pagefault | drone is good |
| 19:44.45 | TD | hah |
| 19:45.13 | Sophie_ | pagefault: I took an effexor once |
| 19:45.20 | pagefault | xmms sucks at figuring out how long a song is supposed to be if it's VBR |
| 19:45.37 | Sophie_ | someone else's, 75 mg. Gave me panic attacks. |
| 19:45.46 | pagefault | thats weird |
| 19:45.49 | TD | Sophie_: so why? |
| 19:45.51 | pagefault | I take it for that reason |
| 19:46.15 | Sophie_ | why what? |
| 19:46.29 | Sophie_ | don't you also take an anti-anxiety pill with it? |
| 19:46.32 | TD | why would you become a drone |
| 19:46.34 | pagefault | nope |
| 19:46.52 | pagefault | but you probably had that as a side effect since you are supposed to start at 37.5mg for a few weeks and move up from there |
| 19:47.27 | Sophie_ | well, I'm impossibly creative with ADD, and I've heard that goes away when you take the drugs (and can focus) |
| 19:47.43 | Sophie_ | or were you asking why do I want to become a drone? |
| 19:47.49 | pagefault | they misdiagnosed me with ADD when I was a kid |
| 19:47.55 | TD | well both |
| 19:47.57 | pagefault | and I think I am messed up now from taking medication that I didn't need |
| 19:48.00 | pagefault | thats why I need this |
| 19:48.45 | Sophie_ | oh. That's interesting. I was just diagnosed a couple of years ago based on case history. |
| 19:48.54 | Sophie_ | my objective tests were inconclusive |
| 19:49.16 | pagefault | I used to take ritalin then I took dexadrine |
| 19:49.31 | pagefault | when I was on them I was high as a kite though |
| 19:49.34 | pagefault | but I got a lot of work done |
| 19:49.44 | Sophie_ | TD: I want to be a drone so that I can have degrees, and fat paychecks, and feel like I am successful and not a failure. |
| 19:49.57 | pagefault | yay for kiddie speed |
| 19:50.01 | Sophie_ | what did it feel like? |
| 19:50.15 | pagefault | like being high |
| 19:50.20 | pagefault | but I could think straight |
| 19:50.21 | TD | Sophie_: aww ;) |
| 19:51.05 | Sophie_ | high like pot-high? |
| 19:51.35 | pagefault | yeah sort of but without the sillyness of it |
| 19:51.56 | pagefault | hard to explain really |
| 19:52.04 | pagefault | just always had a buzz going |
| 19:52.16 | Sophie_ | straterra is not an amphetamine salt. It's a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. |
| 19:52.21 | pagefault | I was always cold too |
| 19:52.47 | Sophie_ | it also has the nifty bonus feature of having anti-depressant effects |
| 19:52.52 | pagefault | cool |
| 19:52.54 | Sophie_ | that's interesting |
| 19:53.00 | TD | wow |
| 19:53.03 | TD | can you actually pronounce all that? |
| 19:53.21 | Sophie_ | mhm. |
| 19:53.30 | pagefault | I wonder what human society would be like without all these brain drugs |
| 19:53.41 | Sophie_ | animals! |
| 19:53.45 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 19:54.22 | pagefault | they were saying fish are getting intoxicated from sewage because of all the anti-depressants and such people take these days |
| 19:54.36 | Sophie_ | that's really funny. |
| 19:55.39 | Sophie_ | but a little disturbing that the fish are swimming in sewage. I thought sewage went to the water treatment plant in pipes. |
| 19:55.59 | ChipX86 | NetworkManager sucks. |
| 19:56.05 | pagefault | well they do treat it but I guess they can't get all the drugs out |
| 19:56.17 | ChipX86 | peole should not be claiming it's "the solution" |
| 19:56.39 | TD | ugh |
| 19:56.40 | TD | really? |
| 19:56.47 | ChipX86 | it has eaten my routing table 3 times today |
| 19:56.54 | TD | ouch |
| 19:56.57 | ChipX86 | it keeps switching interfaces |
| 19:56.59 | ChipX86 | switching wireless networks |
| 19:57.04 | ChipX86 | preventing me from changing networks manually |
| 19:57.06 | pagefault | I guess the fish are happy anyway |
| 19:57.33 | TD | ChipX86: well, apart from the bugs, the architecture seems right |
| 19:57.36 | Sophie_ | it would be fun to study how various animals behave on human drugs. |
| 19:57.43 | ChipX86 | it has a long ways to go |
| 19:57.55 | ChipX86 | if such bugs can affect anybody, the program needs work |
| 19:57.59 | TD | yeah |
| 19:58.02 | pagefault | a lot of them are tested on rats then monkies |
| 19:58.06 | TD | it includes its own DHCP client apparently |
| 19:58.07 | pagefault | before they make it to humans |
| 19:58.07 | ChipX86 | there is no excuse for the problems I've had |
| 19:58.23 | darth_mall | bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh |
| 19:58.32 | ChipX86 | and it doesn't solve any of those problems that I mentioned in my blog post :P |
| 19:58.35 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03mike * r7058 10winekb/ (. WinelibExceptions.xml index.xml): |
| 19:58.35 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: r143@littlegreen: mike | 2005-02-22 20:04:03 +0000 |
| 19:58.35 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: Add info on winelib exceptions from Vincent Beron |
| 19:58.42 | TD | ChipX86: oh, btw, thanks for the slight autopackage pimpage |
| 19:58.52 | ChipX86 | sorry it was just slight :/ |
| 19:58.55 | ChipX86 | get one |
| 19:58.56 | pagefault | they did a study on chimps and they and they found they like watching pr0n |
| 19:59.07 | pagefault | what kind of study is that |
| 19:59.20 | TD | ChipX86: heh, it's not a problem :) as to getting one, i'm not a gnome developer |
| 19:59.30 | ChipX86 | neither am I |
| 19:59.31 | Sophie_ | that's the best kind of study |
| 19:59.46 | TD | you write interesting and popular GTK+ based stuff |
| 19:59.53 | Sophie_ | monkey and porn. |
| 20:00.00 | darth_mall | yay monkeys |
| 20:00.36 | pagefault | well |
| 20:00.42 | pagefault | how about working on that cure for cancer insted :) |
| 20:00.46 | ChipX86 | TD: btw, i need to ask about some autopakcage stuff later |
| 20:00.50 | TD | sure |
| 20:01.00 | TD | maybe people would even read it |
| 20:01.13 | ChipX86 | do it |
| 20:01.28 | Sophie_ | maybe the monkey/porn study is how the cancer scientists kick back for a little while |
| 20:01.35 | Sophie_ | and enjoy themselves. |
| 20:01.41 | pagefault | perhaps |
| 20:01.50 | pagefault | but I have no interest in seeing a monkey masturbate |
| 20:01.57 | Sophie_ | what?! |
| 20:03.15 | Sophie_ | what if it was a female monkey? |
| 20:03.18 | ChipX86 | well we know Sophie's interests |
| 20:03.20 | Sophie_ | brb .. door |
| 20:04.17 | ChipX86 | is it a monkey? |
| 20:05.34 | darth_mall | well... not the printer |
| 20:08.25 | purple_cow | hey, cool |
| 20:08.28 | purple_cow | this printer has an automagic clean-print-head button |
| 20:10.45 | darth_mall | wow... today's PA is disturbing |
| 20:14.29 | ChipX86 | "If I pop VMware into full screen mode and have someone sit down, they are always quite shocked when I show them that they're working on a virtual machine. That's always a hoot, and a great way to impress the ladies." |
| 20:17.37 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 20:17.43 | purple_cow | i like gabe's comment about today's comic |
| 20:17.54 | darth_mall | crap... gotta get off to class |
| 20:18.01 | pagefault | Sophie_, dunno they didn't go into detail |
| 20:18.16 | pagefault | Sophie_, I assume the study included both sexes |
| 20:20.14 | Sophie_ | bah. Kids selling crap |
| 20:21.19 | ChipX86 | you should have bought two |
| 20:21.24 | ChipX86 | send a kid ot college |
| 20:21.33 | ChipX86 | maybe three colleges |
| 20:21.46 | Sophie_ | Disney World, actually |
| 20:22.03 | Sophie_ | and they'd both already been about 40 times. |
| 20:22.05 | ChipX86 | that's like college |
| 20:24.27 | Sophie_ | plus, they told me that Universal Studios was way better than Disney World |
| 20:24.47 | ChipX86 | lies. |
| 20:24.52 | ChipX86 | Disney World is better |
| 20:25.04 | Sophie_ | so I was funding a ticket to a place that they'd already been multiple times, and weren't much impressed by |
| 20:25.47 | Sophie_ | have you been, or are you just being cheeky? |
| 20:27.52 | pagefault | mmm cheese |
| 20:30.18 | pagefault | I get ebay points |
| 20:30.22 | pagefault | which I actually do use |
| 20:31.15 | Sophie_ | uncanny! I just got a pre-approved offer for an ebay platinum card |
| 20:31.21 | pagefault | cool |
| 20:31.27 | pagefault | every $100 you spend you get $1 to spend on ebay |
| 20:32.15 | Sophie_ | excellent. Can you spot me $100? |
| 20:33.10 | pagefault | not until I get paid next month |
| 20:33.10 | Sophie_ | I guess that's a no. |
| 20:33.14 | pagefault | I literally have no money |
| 20:33.32 | Sophie_ | I have $.25 |
| 20:33.54 | Sophie_ | you can have it |
| 20:34.05 | pagefault | cool you are rich |
| 20:34.10 | ChipX86 | we need foodforgeeks.com |
| 20:34.30 | ChipX86 | I think I spent around $600 or so in the past few days |
| 20:34.39 | ChipX86 | granted, that was on dates and furniture |
| 20:34.42 | ChipX86 | and that mp3 player |
| 20:36.06 | Sophie_ | oh. I bought some candy, a magazine, and a salsa bowl. |
| 20:36.20 | pagefault | ChipX86, you should make it |
| 20:36.26 | pagefault | i'd help you out if you were serious about it |
| 20:36.28 | ChipX86 | I should |
| 20:36.54 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: oh. That's almost as good as spending it on a beautiful girl and bookshelves |
| 20:37.04 | ChipX86 | though far less expensive :) |
| 20:37.10 | ChipX86 | and you got to send a kid to Disney World |
| 20:37.11 | pagefault | girls are expensive |
| 20:37.15 | ChipX86 | yeah. |
| 20:37.49 | Sophie_ | the benefits outweigh the costs though, huh? |
| 20:37.57 | Sophie_ | or else you wouldn't bother |
| 20:38.03 | ChipX86 | we'll see : |
| 20:38.04 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 20:38.18 | ChipX86 | she doesn't want me to spend any more money on her though |
| 20:38.38 | Sophie_ | why not? |
| 20:38.45 | Sophie_ | is something wrong with her? |
| 20:38.45 | pagefault | girls always skew budgets |
| 20:38.46 | pagefault | :) |
| 20:38.56 | ChipX86 | she doesn't feel I should have to spend so much. She wants to start doing some of the buying when she can afford it |
| 20:39.11 | ChipX86 | but I feel bad there, because I know I can afford things, and she can't right now :( |
| 20:39.22 | Sophie_ | so there can be the pretense of equality |
| 20:39.56 | ChipX86 | we're equal. We just have slight differences in how much we make right now :P |
| 20:40.06 | pagefault | well once you get more serious in your relationship it's pretty ok to split stuff |
| 20:40.12 | pagefault | but at the beginning it's pretty much the guy has to buy everything |
| 20:40.17 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 20:40.45 | pagefault | if this were japan it would be the girl buying everything |
| 20:40.46 | pagefault | :P |
| 20:40.51 | Sophie_ | I wonder if it's more fun being a guy. |
| 20:40.59 | ChipX86 | I wonder that too |
| 20:41.12 | TD | it is |
| 20:41.13 | ChipX86 | on the one hand, we get beautiful women, and you women have to settle for us. |
| 20:41.23 | ChipX86 | but then, you have more power than we do ;) |
| 20:41.38 | pagefault | we put up with a ton of stuff though to |
| 20:41.38 | TD | heh |
| 20:41.41 | TD | yes, we can be manipulated. |
| 20:41.43 | ChipX86 | yeah. |
| 20:41.44 | TD | pagefault: that's true |
| 20:42.23 | pagefault | but in the end it's all worth it isn't it? |
| 20:42.32 | ChipX86 | hopefully |
| 20:42.41 | Sophie_ | hmm |
| 20:43.08 | TD | maybe |
| 20:43.14 | Sophie_ | less is expected of women in the career dept. |
| 20:43.16 | TD | dammit I GOT TOLD I ATE TOO QUICKLY TODAY |
| 20:43.17 | TD | that's women for you |
| 20:43.23 | TD | not that i stereotype anybody |
| 20:43.38 | pagefault | I just hate it when they throw hints at you that could mean anything |
| 20:43.39 | pagefault | just say it already |
| 20:43.54 | ChipX86 | yes, exactly |
| 20:43.57 | Sophie_ | hints? |
| 20:44.00 | ChipX86 | hit us over the head with a frying pan (metaphorically) |
| 20:44.20 | ChipX86 | if you like a guy, tell him, don't play around and drop subtle hints, because we know a lot of women flirt with anybody, and either ignore or dismiss a lot of those hints. |
| 20:44.23 | pagefault | yes/no is a perfectly good answer |
| 20:44.40 | ChipX86 | I know some girls have been mad at me because I didn't pick up on very subtle hints. |
| 20:44.50 | Sophie_ | oh. |
| 20:44.54 | pagefault | yep |
| 20:44.56 | pagefault | it's annoying |
| 20:44.57 | pagefault | then it's all my fault |
| 20:45.07 | ChipX86 | but if those girls would just be a bit more clear about things, I would have gladly went out with them |
| 20:45.33 | pagefault | granted not all girls are like that |
| 20:45.34 | pagefault | but a lot are |
| 20:45.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:45.51 | Sophie_ | I think those girls must be more socially advanced than I am |
| 20:46.05 | ChipX86 | I don't mean all are, because obviously everyone is different, but so many are that it's annoying |
| 20:46.09 | pagefault | they assume are are psychic |
| 20:46.57 | pagefault | what gets me is when they bring up something that could have happened months ago |
| 20:47.02 | pagefault | and yes that actually does happen |
| 20:47.18 | Sophie_ | probably after awhile in the relationship, she starts being more blunt |
| 20:47.35 | ChipX86 | yeah, but a lot of relationships don't happen because they're not straight-forward |
| 20:47.42 | pagefault | it should be 7 days and then it's old news |
| 20:47.46 | pagefault | you have 7 days to bring it up |
| 20:48.13 | Sophie_ | I can't even remember what happened 7 days ago. |
| 20:48.25 | pagefault | KeyserSoze must be very lucky then :) |
| 20:48.46 | Sophie_ | pfft |
| 20:49.13 | pagefault | hehe |
| 20:50.11 | Sophie_ | "right" is hard to define, I think |
| 20:50.13 | ChipX86 | I hope I did, but I don't know yet. I wish she didn't want to move things this slowly, but I know she's still a bit unsure about the whole dating thing |
| 20:50.42 | pagefault | just don't rush her or smth |
| 20:50.50 | ChipX86 | not going to |
| 20:50.52 | ChipX86 | I want to make this work |
| 20:50.59 | Sophie_ | hmm. |
| 20:51.02 | pagefault | my last relationship went way too fast |
| 20:51.23 | Sophie_ | why does it have to go slowly in order to work? |
| 20:51.27 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: hell if I know |
| 20:51.33 | kergoth | heh. 'found the right person'. i dont believe in the 'right person' anymore. i'm sure there are any number of people that you could get along with and do well with in a relationship, even long term. i dont see a perfect fit being a possibility |
| 20:51.36 | pagefault | Sophie_, I dunno I just assume girls don't like rushing things |
| 20:51.40 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: it has to go how the woman wants it |
| 20:52.03 | pagefault | if it went the guys way everyone would be sleeping together on the first date |
| 20:52.05 | ChipX86 | otherwise it doesn't go at all |
| 20:52.14 | kergoth | you know whats really rather entertaining, is being with a woman who wants things to go fast, and _you_ slow it down just to fuck with them |
| 20:52.24 | Sophie_ | oh man |
| 20:52.32 | kergoth | its like hah! the tables have turned! take that! |
| 20:52.33 | Sophie_ | that would be entertaining! |
| 20:52.42 | pagefault | kergoth, hahaha |
| 20:52.45 | pagefault | that would be fun |
| 20:52.53 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 20:53.21 | pagefault | I bet girls have all the fun |
| 20:53.28 | ChipX86 | can't say I've ever attempted that. |
| 20:53.28 | ChipX86 | but then, Jamie is my second girlfriend :/ |
| 20:53.49 | Sophie_ | I don't see how it could be fun if you go slow. |
| 20:54.01 | pagefault | don't girls like being in control? |
| 20:54.14 | Sophie_ | mhm |
| 20:54.27 | Sophie_ | you don't have to go slow to maintain control |
| 20:54.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54.38 | pagefault | yeah but they can screw with a guy's head by going slow |
| 20:54.43 | pagefault | I think thats why they do it |
| 20:54.44 | kergoth | in fact, going fast can further cement your control |
| 20:54.46 | kergoth | if you play it right |
| 20:54.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54.57 | Sophie_ | seems to be the case |
| 20:55.18 | Sophie_ | if you pick the right kind of guy |
| 20:55.18 | kergoth | ChipX86: it sounds to me like she's scared. |
| 20:55.52 | pagefault | is it her first serious relationship? |
| 20:56.19 | Sophie_ | aww |
| 20:56.32 | ChipX86 | it's her first relationship, period |
| 20:56.36 | ChipX86 | I was her first kiss |
| 20:56.41 | pagefault | oh well that explains it |
| 20:56.48 | pagefault | she is probably afraid that she is going to do something wrong |
| 20:56.51 | pagefault | or doesn't know what to do |
| 20:56.53 | ChipX86 | so am I :P |
| 20:56.59 | ChipX86 | we're both so similar in those ways |
| 20:57.08 | kergoth | in some ways, experience is power. |
| 20:57.10 | ChipX86 | she never saw herself as someone that could get a boyfriend |
| 20:57.16 | Sophie_ | so get it out of the way already |
| 20:57.22 | Sophie_ | so that the fun can begin |
| 20:57.22 | pagefault | you should just sit down with her and talk about it |
| 20:57.24 | ChipX86 | which surprises me.. you've seen her pic. She's not exactly ugly ;) |
| 20:57.56 | kergoth | people underestimate how much personality and body language affects attraction |
| 20:57.57 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/photos/jamie1.jpg (if you haven't) |
| 20:58.12 | Sophie_ | oo |
| 20:58.17 | pagefault | she's pretty |
| 20:58.35 | ChipX86 | yeah she is |
| 21:00.08 | TD | awww |
| 21:00.10 | TD | ChipX86: how old is she? |
| 21:00.12 | ChipX86 | 21 |
| 21:00.16 | ChipX86 | just a few months older than me |
| 21:00.31 | pagefault | older is cool |
| 21:00.34 | pagefault | they are usually more mature |
| 21:00.56 | ChipX86 | she's certainly more mature than Rachael was.. though I loved being with her. |
| 21:01.04 | Sophie_ | well, there's mature and then there's *mature* |
| 21:01.06 | kergoth | beyond a certain point, maturity is more about experience than age. |
| 21:01.14 | pagefault | true |
| 21:01.53 | Sophie_ | hmm |
| 21:02.10 | Sophie_ | I want to ask questions, but I fear they are inappropriate. |
| 21:02.19 | ChipX86 | ask |
| 21:02.22 | kergoth | this is #tacobeam |
| 21:02.25 | pagefault | in this channel I doubt anything is inappropriate |
| 21:02.28 | kergoth | since when do we care about appropriateness? |
| 21:02.30 | Sophie_ | does she have toys? |
| 21:02.31 | kergoth | pagefault: :) |
| 21:02.36 | purple_cow | inappropriate questions are the best kind of questions |
| 21:02.40 | ChipX86 | we haven't talked about it |
| 21:02.55 | Sophie_ | do you talk about sex at all? |
| 21:03.17 | ChipX86 | a little, but not much. I don't want to make her feel like there's any unwanted pressure |
| 21:03.59 | pagefault | it's full of stars |
| 21:04.13 | Sophie_ | mmm, pressure. |
| 21:04.50 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:05.21 | pagefault | oh nevermind |
| 21:05.44 | Samy | Hrm. |
| 21:05.55 | Samy | I want to learn blender. :( |
| 21:06.02 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: any others? |
| 21:06.07 | ChipX86 | I don't mind questions |
| 21:06.09 | pagefault | I was in a different situation than you though |
| 21:06.14 | ChipX86 | nowadays I'm pretty open generally |
| 21:06.23 | Sophie_ | I don't know this girl. Maybe she's not stimulated by certain conversations that stimulate me. |
| 21:06.37 | ChipX86 | she may just be uncomfortable with it |
| 21:06.41 | ChipX86 | with talking about it, that is |
| 21:06.45 | ChipX86 | I do know that she's into yaoi and yuri |
| 21:07.04 | pagefault | if she's never had sex before it's perfectly normal that she is shy about it |
| 21:07.04 | Sophie_ | not sure what that is.. a type of yoga? |
| 21:07.09 | purple_cow | argh, the nfs server is misbehaving again |
| 21:07.12 | Samy | ChipX86: When ever you are engage with any serious discussion |
| 21:07.19 | Samy | ChipX86: Continuosly wink your right eye. |
| 21:07.23 | Samy | ChipX86: That's a *BIG* turn on. |
| 21:07.24 | Sophie_ | well, I want her to have sex already |
| 21:07.26 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:07.34 | ChipX86 | yaoi is male-male anime. yuri is female-female |
| 21:07.35 | Samy | ChipX86: or take off your shoes and socks and play footsie in a fancy restaurant. |
| 21:07.40 | pagefault | she probably thinks she is inexperienced compared to you |
| 21:07.49 | ChipX86 | pagefault: I'm not all that experienced myself |
| 21:07.55 | pagefault | ChipX86, yeah but have you ever told her that |
| 21:08.05 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:08.28 | pagefault | I dunno just get comfortable fooling around a bit and then go from there |
| 21:08.50 | Sophie_ | but don't fool around too much |
| 21:09.00 | Sophie_ | y'know what I mean? |
| 21:09.06 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:09.10 | pagefault | yep |
| 21:09.24 | ChipX86 | if you want her to have sex already, feel free to come by and help push that along |
| 21:09.30 | purple_cow | mmmm penderecki |
| 21:09.33 | Samy | haha |
| 21:09.41 | pagefault | haha |
| 21:09.51 | Sophie_ | hmm |
| 21:10.14 | pagefault | have you ever made out or anything yet? |
| 21:10.17 | Sophie_ | that would be fun, but I fear that I would scare her instead of opening her up like a delicate flower |
| 21:10.22 | ChipX86 | pagefault: yeah |
| 21:10.35 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: dunno, she might like it |
| 21:10.51 | ChipX86 | she's so innocent in ways |
| 21:11.03 | Sophie_ | ! |
| 21:11.07 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:11.10 | purple_cow | yay for this movie having an overture |
| 21:11.23 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:11.27 | pagefault | my ex was innocent |
| 21:11.30 | Samy | Innocent. |
| 21:11.33 | Samy | :) |
| 21:11.35 | ChipX86 | I said something.. |
| 21:11.52 | pagefault | you would be amazed how fast that changes |
| 21:11.55 | Samy | ChipX86: She's never hinted at sex? Ever? |
| 21:11.59 | Samy | pagefault: Unfortunately :( |
| 21:12.03 | ChipX86 | we're still rather new in this relationship |
| 21:12.06 | Sophie_ | I like innocence. It's so much fun to remove. |
| 21:12.07 | ChipX86 | considering the distance |
| 21:12.23 | pagefault | yeah |
| 21:12.27 | purple_cow | yikes! |
| 21:12.27 | kergoth | Sophie_: hah. i get bored with innocence. i dont like playing teacher |
| 21:12.32 | ChipX86 | here's something a bit interesting though |
| 21:12.36 | pagefault | we did a ton of really naughty stuff, she's way far from innocent now hah |
| 21:12.39 | ChipX86 | when she was here, she started asking about hte local colleges |
| 21:12.59 | ChipX86 | when she went home, she said she wished that she just stayed here |
| 21:13.10 | purple_cow | :) |
| 21:13.23 | pagefault | maybe she wants sex but she isn't sure you want it |
| 21:13.46 | kergoth | pagefault: that wouldnt be suprising. she sounds like she has really low self esteem. |
| 21:13.46 | Samy | That doesn't sound so sexual to me. |
| 21:13.59 | Samy | pagefault: My ex was pretty....nasty :) |
| 21:14.06 | Samy | pagefault: "I wish I was in your room right now" |
| 21:14.14 | Samy | pagefault: "What would you do if I was there right now?" |
| 21:14.14 | kergoth | yay, nasty |
| 21:14.17 | Sophie_ | I never got bored with it. |
| 21:14.18 | pagefault | Samy, haw nothing wrong with that :) |
| 21:14.31 | Sophie_ | but my husband is so...not innocent now :) |
| 21:14.37 | Samy | pagefault: Except that she says the same things day after day, is very hypocritical, etc.... |
| 21:14.40 | Samy | Sophie_: hahaha |
| 21:14.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:14.43 | pagefault | Samy, aww |
| 21:14.52 | Samy | pagefault: 5 calls a day or so. |
| 21:15.00 | pagefault | Samy, that gets annoying |
| 21:15.38 | Sophie_ | not innocent can be fun too. You just have to mix things up from time to time. |
| 21:15.42 | purple_cow | hey look, monkeys |
| 21:16.16 | pagefault | who knows maybe one day you will just spontanously go do it |
| 21:16.21 | Sophie_ | and I wonder if there's a point beyond which you're completely jaded about sex. |
| 21:16.27 | Samy | hahaha |
| 21:16.38 | Samy | You people need to meet trhodes@FreeBSD.org. |
| 21:16.41 | Samy | Perfect example. |
| 21:16.51 | pagefault | like with me, we were in class and just decided to skip and then well, you can imagine the rest |
| 21:17.18 | Samy | "Stupid me, wouldn't hurt so bad if I didn't do the dumshit thing I did on Saturday. I didn't know then if it was broken or not, so I said fuck it and went dancing all night Saturday. Sunday was regret. The medical professionals think I sprained my foot and ripped a few tendons off of the bone." |
| 21:17.26 | ChipX86 | I tried to get her to just sleep with me this weekend. Nothing sexual, just sleep in the same bed. She was very uncomfortable with the idea |
| 21:17.39 | pagefault | she probably meant sex was implied |
| 21:17.47 | pagefault | err thought |
| 21:17.47 | Samy | ChipX86: Well, I wouldn't be. |
| 21:17.58 | Samy | ChipX86: Did she need to sleep in the bed? |
| 21:18.09 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:18.30 | ChipX86 | well I guess technicaly should could have slept on the floor or outside in the mud. I don't get your question :) |
| 21:18.36 | Samy | ChipX86: Considering that's this relationship is pretty new, don't you find it strange to ask someone to sleep next to you, in the same bed, just for the sake of it? :P |
| 21:18.47 | Sophie_ | pffft |
| 21:18.47 | Samy | ChipX86: Oh, in that case.... |
| 21:18.50 | ChipX86 | it was an intimacy building thing |
| 21:19.02 | pagefault | you should get drunk |
| 21:19.04 | ChipX86 | we've been dating since November, but only when we could get together |
| 21:19.07 | Samy | pagefault: hahaha |
| 21:19.10 | ChipX86 | and then we talk every night on the phone |
| 21:19.13 | Samy | pagefault: He could take the shortcut and get her drunk ;) |
| 21:19.20 | Samy | ChipX86: Oh, I see. |
| 21:19.34 | Sophie_ | since November! |
| 21:19.40 | pagefault | Samy, my ex used to do that to me, she would keep a bottle of rum in her apartment and I ended up having to stay the night ;) |
| 21:19.50 | Samy | pagefault: Nice. |
| 21:19.50 | Sophie_ | what amazing powers of delayed gratification that must take |
| 21:19.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:20.02 | Sophie_ | or else there isn't much chemistry |
| 21:20.07 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: she could learn a thing or two from you |
| 21:20.28 | pagefault | Samy, yeah too bad she turned out to be nuts though |
| 21:20.28 | ChipX86 | I'vfe thought about bringing her in here a couple times |
| 21:20.44 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: I think there's chemistry, but she's really nervous |
| 21:21.01 | kergoth | hmm. there isnt much chemistry with the chick i'm currently seeing, now that i think about it |
| 21:21.41 | Sophie_ | you should talk about it. I mean, it's been months. It's not like she could accuse you of being a pervert or anything. |
| 21:22.03 | pagefault | usually stuff happens after the first month |
| 21:22.04 | pagefault | so yeah |
| 21:22.05 | ChipX86 | she wants to take it slow |
| 21:22.22 | ChipX86 | build up a friendship with the relationship so that the relationship will be stable |
| 21:22.28 | ChipX86 | from her words |
| 21:22.41 | Sophie_ | blah |
| 21:23.12 | pagefault | oh well there is no reason to rush it |
| 21:23.32 | Sophie_ | relationships aren't meant to be stable. Jobs are meant to be stable. Relationships are meant to be exciting and risky and fun. |
| 21:23.45 | kergoth | Sophie_: well said |
| 21:23.47 | pagefault | although if I was in your shoes I would be going "wtf?" by now |
| 21:24.10 | pagefault | but then again I don't know much about her |
| 21:24.11 | ChipX86 | it'd be different if we were closer, distance-wise |
| 21:24.23 | Samy | pagefault: What did she do exactly that was nuts? |
| 21:24.57 | Samy | kergoth: Isn't a whore cheaper? |
| 21:25.10 | Samy | kergoth: "Risky", "fun" and cheap :) |
| 21:25.18 | kergoth | i havent slept with my current gf yet. i havent slept with anyone in _2.5 years_. i foresee myself going on a killing rampage in the near future. |
| 21:25.21 | Samy | kergoth: What's the point of a relationship if it isn't stable? |
| 21:25.28 | Samy | kergoth: Oh my. |
| 21:25.30 | Samy | kergoth: :( |
| 21:25.54 | pagefault | Samy, emmotionally unstable and who knows what else, she felt she had to move when she thought someone went in her apartment |
| 21:25.56 | ChipX86 | I've never had sex, so I've got you beat |
| 21:26.01 | pagefault | Samy, when it was obvious that no one did |
| 21:26.07 | pagefault | Samy, thats just the tip of the iceberg |
| 21:26.09 | purple_cow | Sophie_: to touch, so i'd get smarter |
| 21:26.12 | Samy | pagefault: Ouch. |
| 21:26.13 | kergoth | ChipX86: heh, thats different. you dont know what you're missing. its a lot harder to go without after you have. |
| 21:26.20 | Samy | ChipX86: Oh. |
| 21:26.25 | Samy | ChipX86: I thought you lost your virginity. |
| 21:26.26 | Sophie_ | uh huh. |
| 21:26.40 | pagefault | Samy, she would get pissed too because I had other girls on my MSN list even though they were just friends |
| 21:26.43 | ChipX86 | when would I have had that opportunity? :P |
| 21:27.49 | pagefault | Samy, from the general consensus from other people who have dated them, japanese girls are quite nuts |
| 21:29.50 | pagefault | let that be a lesson to any of you considering it |
| 21:29.56 | Sophie_ | Samy: A relationship based entirely on sex is rather empty, true enough, but a relationship without it is also. |
| 21:30.19 | ChipX86 | quite honestly, I'm scared to death to have sex |
| 21:30.28 | Sophie_ | awwwwww! |
| 21:30.31 | pagefault | :( |
| 21:30.37 | pagefault | how is that fun |
| 21:31.01 | Samy | :/ |
| 21:31.14 | Samy | I gave my driver $55 to send my Rice university supplement priority mail. |
| 21:31.17 | Sophie_ | why? |
| 21:31.18 | Samy | I told him to pay what is necessary. |
| 21:31.24 | purple_cow | ouch |
| 21:31.29 | Samy | He came to me with this news: |
| 21:31.36 | purple_cow | 16% of memory spacetime in xchat-gnome is in libfontconfig =/ |
| 21:31.59 | Samy | "They were trying to rip you off, they said it cost $40 to ship priority. I told them to go for a $3 priority shipment" |
| 21:32.03 | Samy | What the heck is that? |
| 21:32.09 | Samy | $3? WTF? |
| 21:32.09 | ChipX86 | hrm. |
| 21:32.24 | Samy | "We have not yet received the following required items" |
| 21:32.27 | ChipX86 | wait, you have a driver? |
| 21:32.44 | Samy | I need to check with the office tomorrow, if it's lost, I would hate to re-write the gunk. |
| 21:32.51 | Samy | ChipX86: Common thing in Saudi Arabia. |
| 21:32.58 | Samy | Sophie_: Applying there :) |
| 21:33.10 | pagefault | cool I want a driver |
| 21:33.18 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 21:33.29 | Sophie_ | oh, question directed toward ChipX86 |
| 21:33.41 | Samy | Sophie_: Oh. Ok. That makes more sense. |
| 21:33.43 | pagefault | I want food too |
| 21:33.43 | Samy | Sophie_: ;) |
| 21:33.49 | pagefault | driver, get me a pizza |
| 21:33.53 | Samy | hahaha |
| 21:34.18 | Samy | Hrm. |
| 21:34.21 | Samy | blah |
| 21:34.28 | Samy | I had a damned day today |
| 21:34.36 | Samy | and it looks like tomorrow is going to be true shit |
| 21:34.42 | ChipX86 | what question? |
| 21:34.42 | Samy | On a Wednesday, first day of a weekend. :( |
| 21:34.54 | purple_cow | what a beautiful movie |
| 21:34.54 | Samy | ChipX86 quite honestly, I'm scared to death to have sex |
| 21:35.07 | Sophie_ | lol |
| 21:35.09 | pagefault | weekends are on wensdays there? |
| 21:35.16 | Samy | Thursday-Friday. |
| 21:35.17 | ChipX86 | pagefault: I like their system! |
| 21:35.20 | Sophie_ | I think the conversation has changed now |
| 21:35.28 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:35.31 | ChipX86 | it changed to drivers |
| 21:35.35 | Samy | haha |
| 21:35.40 | pagefault | poor Sophie_ no more sex talk for her |
| 21:35.46 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 21:35.55 | ChipX86 | if you want to talk about it more, we can talk in a msg |
| 21:35.55 | Sophie_ | :) |
| 21:36.01 | ChipX86 | otherwise, back to work |
| 21:36.15 | Sophie_ | I should do my physics |
| 21:36.27 | Samy | Argh |
| 21:36.32 | Samy | Bad day tomorrow |
| 21:36.34 | Samy | I can smell it |
| 21:36.36 | Samy | Ahhh |
| 21:36.39 | Samy | Not in the mood. |
| 21:37.33 | TD | hmmm |
| 21:38.19 | Samy | Dumb ass. |
| 21:39.53 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 21:40.41 | Samy | Hey TD. |
| 21:40.45 | Samy | ChipX86: Wasn't directed at TD. |
| 21:40.53 | Samy | At myself for trusting the wrong person :) |
| 21:40.56 | ChipX86 | of course you say that now! |
| 21:41.02 | ChipX86 | TD: it's okay, I still love you |
| 21:41.02 | Samy | hahaha |
| 21:41.14 | Samy | It's going to be such a bad day |
| 21:41.15 | Samy | :( :( :( |
| 21:41.21 | Samy | Hrm |
| 21:41.23 | Samy | I'm off to sleep |
| 21:41.54 | ChipX86 | "But owls eat mice!" "Awww. Only after dawn." |
| 21:42.08 | pagefault | oh crap |
| 21:42.18 | pagefault | girl from one of my classes is messaging me on gaim |
| 21:42.26 | ChipX86 | is that bad? |
| 21:42.32 | pagefault | yes because she is crazy |
| 21:42.39 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 21:42.49 | pagefault | I went to her web site |
| 21:42.55 | pagefault | and I was officially weirded out |
| 21:43.20 | ChipX86 | how so? |
| 21:43.20 | pagefault | she writes her own yoai stories |
| 21:43.40 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:43.44 | ChipX86 | I'm used to that |
| 21:43.47 | ChipX86 | what else? |
| 21:43.55 | pagefault | and she does artwork to go with them |
| 21:43.59 | ChipX86 | is that all? |
| 21:44.12 | pagefault | plus she is all about "controlling guys and manipulating them" |
| 21:44.15 | pagefault | thats all she talks about |
| 21:44.21 | ChipX86 | so she's a horny female.. and? |
| 21:44.30 | ChipX86 | you should spend time around my girls :P |
| 21:44.33 | purple_cow | oof |
| 21:44.42 | purple_cow | 5kb leak inside librsvg? |
| 21:44.58 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: they found a really large leak recently |
| 21:44.59 | pagefault | ChipX86, maybe |
| 21:45.03 | ChipX86 | it'll be fixed in the next release |
| 21:45.06 | ChipX86 | has to do with text I think |
| 21:45.15 | ChipX86 | though maybe not text |
| 21:45.20 | pagefault | oh shit |
| 21:45.24 | pagefault | she wants me to go have coffee with her |
| 21:45.40 | ChipX86 | pagefault: she sounds tame |
| 21:45.53 | kergoth | hehe, timriker came by here while i was in a meeting. came back to my desk and find a postit: "Chris, get a real job :) --Tim" |
| 21:46.11 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 21:46.12 | Samy | haha |
| 21:46.26 | Samy | but I should be asleep |
| 21:46.28 | Samy | -haha |
| 21:46.29 | Samy | ;] |
| 21:46.56 | pagefault | ChipX86, yeah well she isn't exactly my cup of tea |
| 21:47.12 | pagefault | i'm afraid if I go out with her something is going to find it's way into my ass |
| 21:47.14 | pagefault | :/ |
| 21:47.19 | Sophie_ | LOL |
| 21:47.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:47.41 | ChipX86 | yeah, Rachael always had a thing for that too (we never did anything remotely like that of course) |
| 21:48.36 | ChipX86 | I can't understand the fascination there |
| 21:48.48 | Sophie_ | hehe |
| 21:49.26 | Sophie_ | the shock value is it's own reward. |
| 21:50.36 | Sophie_ | not that I know what you're talking about |
| 21:50.53 | kergoth | i need to figure out how to suck less at meeting people |
| 21:51.16 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: right. |
| 21:51.21 | ChipX86 | kergoth: yeah me too |
| 21:51.25 | TD | don't we all ;) |
| 21:51.32 | ChipX86 | thoguh I find now that I'm not single anymore, cute girls are coming out of the woodwork |
| 21:51.41 | pagefault | something about guy's losing all pride they ever had in an instant must be some kind of turn on for women |
| 21:51.44 | TD | i've been on a mission to "meet" this incredibly cute girl in the first year |
| 21:51.53 | TD | we have so much in common! she just hasn't realised this yet :) |
| 21:52.21 | Sophie_ | I never meet any cute girls :( |
| 21:52.29 | kergoth | :( |
| 21:52.39 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: :( |
| 21:52.45 | ChipX86 | come visit |
| 21:52.46 | pagefault | ChipX86, an attached man is very attractive to women |
| 21:52.53 | ChipX86 | pagefault: yep |
| 21:52.58 | kergoth | it isnt surprising. |
| 21:53.07 | kergoth | an attached guy must be of some value or he'd still be single |
| 21:53.20 | pagefault | yeah |
| 21:53.23 | ChipX86 | but they sense it somehow. Even if there's no clear sign |
| 21:53.29 | Sophie_ | certainly he's more of a challenge |
| 21:53.34 | pagefault | they can probably smell their own kind on you |
| 21:54.21 | ChipX86 | but there's a distance right now |
| 21:55.18 | kergoth | i should break up with my gf |
| 21:55.28 | Sophie_ | maybe you should tell her what you think of her. That'd be fun for us. |
| 21:55.37 | pagefault | Sophie_, I don't need enemies |
| 21:55.49 | pagefault | and I don't need to be a new character in one of her stories either |
| 21:56.06 | Sophie_ | well, do you really need friends that might stick something up your ass? |
| 21:56.14 | pagefault | no not really |
| 21:56.23 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 21:56.27 | ChipX86 | pagefault: I'm a character in Joelle's yaoi cartoon strips |
| 21:56.36 | purple_cow | on the other hand, it's probably worse to have enemies that might stick something up your ass |
| 21:56.39 | pagefault | ChipX86, you must feel proud |
| 21:56.42 | ChipX86 | not really |
| 21:57.06 | TD | heh |
| 21:57.22 | Sophie_ | what do you do in them? |
| 21:57.30 | ChipX86 | I only know of one or two |
| 21:57.38 | ChipX86 | nothing really happened, which is good |
| 21:57.48 | ChipX86 | yaoi == male-male anime |
| 21:57.55 | ChipX86 | like, guy on guy |
| 21:57.59 | ChipX86 | not necessarily porn |
| 21:58.00 | ChipX86 | but sometimes |
| 21:58.05 | Sophie_ | how odd. |
| 21:58.08 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:58.08 | pagefault | her's are all porn |
| 21:58.20 | ChipX86 | no more odd than guys liking lesbian sex |
| 21:58.44 | pagefault | but in that case you can't relate to how nasty it is |
| 21:58.45 | Sophie_ | odd that girls make cartoons about that, and they have a special name. |
| 21:58.48 | ChipX86 | except girls are definitely more attractive than guys are, physically |
| 21:58.58 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: it's the japanese word for it I guess |
| 21:59.03 | ChipX86 | the lesbian version is yuri |
| 21:59.24 | Samy | Ekh |
| 21:59.30 | Samy | Bad day. |
| 21:59.31 | Samy | Coming. |
| 21:59.32 | pagefault | girls are a work of art |
| 21:59.33 | pagefault | guys are like |
| 21:59.44 | pagefault | whats the word |
| 21:59.45 | Samy | the art of work |
| 21:59.49 | pagefault | yes |
| 22:00.27 | Sophie_ | so this girl who won't lie in bed with you makes boy on boy cartoon drawings? |
| 22:00.32 | ChipX86 | guys need to wear clothes to cover up what's underneath. Girls wear clothes to accentuate what's underneath. |
| 22:00.40 | Sophie_ | that's an interesting dichotomy. |
| 22:00.42 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: she doesn't draw them. She just reads |
| 22:00.47 | ChipX86 | thanks, I made it up |
| 22:00.57 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:01.09 | pagefault | well I agreed to go to get coffee with her |
| 22:01.14 | pagefault | but I am going to be watching my behind |
| 22:01.19 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:01.24 | Sophie_ | have fun ;) |
| 22:01.29 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 22:01.34 | ChipX86 | don't drop the soap |
| 22:01.36 | TD | is there any way to make a copy not change the mtime of the target? |
| 22:01.37 | purple_cow | hey pagefault, watch out for yer cornhole |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:01.50 | pagefault | haha |
| 22:01.55 | pagefault | office space is greatr |
| 22:01.57 | pagefault | -r |
| 22:02.03 | ChipX86 | heh, a few of the harem girls have this thing about corn and, erm, ways it can be used |
| 22:02.16 | Sophie_ | hey ChipX86, you should introduce her to literotica.com |
| 22:02.17 | pagefault | I always thought cucumber was the veggie of choice |
| 22:02.22 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: possibly |
| 22:02.29 | ChipX86 | someday maybe |
| 22:02.36 | ChipX86 | I mean, I have no idea what that is. |
| 22:02.47 | TD | pagefault: -r? |
| 22:03.08 | kergoth | gah |
| 22:03.11 | pagefault | TD, remove r from greatr |
| 22:03.14 | kergoth | i was clenaing my homedir and inadvertantly wiped my bookmarks |
| 22:03.15 | kergoth | again. |
| 22:03.19 | kergoth | i lose them like twice a year |
| 22:03.21 | kergoth | its uncanny |
| 22:03.26 | TD | pagefault: huh? greatr? |
| 22:03.38 | kergoth | TD: 16:01 < pagefault> office space is greatr |
| 22:03.39 | pagefault | TD, I was removing the r from it since it was a typo :) |
| 22:03.41 | TD | oh |
| 22:03.48 | TD | i thought you meant -r was a switch |
| 22:03.54 | pagefault | oh doh |
| 22:03.57 | pagefault | sorry for confusing you |
| 22:04.04 | Sophie_ | literotica.com is an archive of stories. |
| 22:04.31 | ChipX86 | yeah, I was pretending not to know |
| 22:04.41 | Sophie_ | can't remember where I found it |
| 22:04.58 | Sophie_ | some of the stories are poorly written |
| 22:05.22 | Sophie_ | but... |
| 22:05.40 | Sophie_ | you can always find what you're looking for, I'll put it that way |
| 22:05.52 | ChipX86 | "These pants contain the ultimate power in the Universe. I suggest we use it." |
| 22:05.58 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: nod |
| 22:06.41 | pagefault | oh nonhuman catagory |
| 22:06.46 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 22:06.49 | ChipX86 | it's not what you think |
| 22:06.52 | ChipX86 | it's worse |
| 22:07.07 | Sophie_ | lol |
| 22:07.13 | pagefault | aliens? |
| 22:07.18 | ChipX86 | stuff like that, yeah |
| 22:07.23 | pagefault | this must be why they never visit us |
| 22:07.28 | pagefault | they are too freaked out by our internet |
| 22:08.16 | Sophie_ | how nerdy would you have to be? |
| 22:08.27 | pagefault | I am looking in there |
| 22:08.28 | ChipX86 | what do you read? |
| 22:08.31 | pagefault | so far I see stuff about santa |
| 22:08.35 | Sophie_ | rofl |
| 22:09.02 | Sophie_ | ChipX86: are you asking me? |
| 22:09.05 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:09.10 | pagefault | some of the WoW stuff is hillarious i've read |
| 22:09.15 | Sophie_ | oh. |
| 22:09.15 | pagefault | people making erotic WoW stories |
| 22:09.33 | TD | ChipX86: http://navi.cx/~mike/blog/ is born |
| 22:09.38 | TD | ChipX86: though quite who will read it, i do not know |
| 22:09.51 | Sophie_ | ok, I'll say |
| 22:09.54 | ChipX86 | if you did anything IM-related, I'd put you on Planet IM |
| 22:10.06 | Sophie_ | nonconsent/reluctance, mostly |
| 22:10.12 | ChipX86 | ah. |
| 22:10.15 | TD | well, it's the thought that counts :) |
| 22:10.18 | TD | and is appreciated. |
| 22:10.22 | ChipX86 | the Loving Wives stuff make me angry |
| 22:10.24 | TD | but i don't. i do stuff that there aren't any planets for. |
| 22:10.28 | TD | BECAUSE I AM UNIQUE :) |
| 22:10.46 | ChipX86 | TD: :D |
| 22:10.51 | ChipX86 | you could get on planet fd.o |
| 22:10.55 | ChipX86 | since you do notifications stuff |
| 22:11.19 | TD | that's rather tenuous. |
| 22:11.24 | TD | i haven't done any of that for ages |
| 22:11.40 | pagefault | there needs to be more linux chicks |
| 22:11.47 | TD | there should just be a planet cool, where all the people who don't fit into any other category can go ;) |
| 22:11.53 | TD | purple_cow: you mean like linuxchix.org ? |
| 22:12.11 | purple_cow | ooh, cool autopackage logo thingy |
| 22:12.14 | ChipX86 | Planet NerdsTable |
| 22:12.16 | pagefault | yay wikipedia is back |
| 22:12.25 | TD | purple_cow: yeah, AJ is pretty talented |
| 22:13.28 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7059 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (4 files): beginnings of UI interaction in the network editor and some cleanup |
| 22:13.35 | Sophie_ | aww |
| 22:13.43 | Sophie_ | the linuxchix website |
| 22:13.59 | ChipX86 | I can't look at it yet |
| 22:14.10 | ChipX86 | Jamie's new computer runs Linux :D |
| 22:14.22 | pagefault | cool |
| 22:14.29 | pagefault | can she use it though? :/ |
| 22:14.46 | ChipX86 | she liked that she could just plug in her new camera and the photos would pop up, and that the Gimp and Inkscape were just there, and stuff |
| 22:14.53 | pagefault | cool |
| 22:14.55 | ChipX86 | yeah, she'll be able to I think |
| 22:14.59 | ChipX86 | we're oging to work on it |
| 22:15.16 | pagefault | you should install vmware for her so she can still get to d0ze |
| 22:15.26 | ChipX86 | going to after WS5 is released |
| 22:15.37 | pagefault | :) |
| 22:15.47 | pagefault | no vmware sex server? |
| 22:15.53 | ChipX86 | not yet :/ |
| 22:16.08 | pagefault | need to send an office memo to get cracking on that |
| 22:16.09 | TD | ChipX86: sweet |
| 22:16.12 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:16.15 | TD | ChipX86: it'll be interesting to see what she has trouble with |
| 22:16.18 | ChipX86 | TD: yeah |
| 22:16.22 | ChipX86 | kinda using it as a test ;) |
| 22:16.30 | ChipX86 | but she does only a few things, mianly |
| 22:16.33 | TD | yeah |
| 22:16.44 | ChipX86 | watch videos, play music, surf the intraweb, school stuff, graphics stuff |
| 22:16.48 | ChipX86 | that's all set up for her |
| 22:16.52 | TD | sure? |
| 22:16.55 | Sophie_ | burn cds? |
| 22:16.56 | kergoth | sigh, all my motivation went poof |
| 22:16.57 | TD | what about flash? quicktime? |
| 22:17.09 | TD | in my experience it's normally stuff like that people miss |
| 22:17.11 | ChipX86 | flash is set up, quicktime should be. Burn CDs... we haven't done that yet |
| 22:17.12 | TD | mp3? |
| 22:17.15 | TD | ok, cool |
| 22:17.15 | ChipX86 | mp3 yeah |
| 22:17.29 | ChipX86 | I was honest with her about the whole thing |
| 22:17.32 | ChipX86 | she's willing to give it a try |
| 22:17.40 | ChipX86 | she's pretty much a clean slate |
| 22:17.46 | ChipX86 | only minimal Windows usage |
| 22:17.47 | TD | not used a computer much before? |
| 22:18.03 | TD | she used my linux laptop for a bit. but then she bought her own laptop and now uses windows+office |
| 22:18.07 | TD | surprise surprise |
| 22:18.45 | pagefault | I keep looking for the shell |
| 22:18.54 | kergoth | i keep middle clicking to paste and shit |
| 22:18.56 | kergoth | drives me nuts |
| 22:18.57 | Sophie_bath | bbl |
| 22:19.04 | pagefault | cya |
| 22:19.11 | TD | ah well |
| 22:19.11 | pagefault | cya |
| 22:19.11 | pagefault | oops |
| 22:19.17 | ChipX86 | TD: we'll circumulate it |
| 22:19.27 | TD | i should ask newman about the planet wine thing |
| 22:19.30 | TD | he was keen. but busy. |
| 22:19.34 | TD | as in, he suggested it, not mel |
| 22:19.46 | TD | mel? who is mel? sounds sexy. not very wine at all, that. |
| 22:19.50 | TD | i meant "me". |
| 22:20.03 | ChipX86 | isn't mel a male name? |
| 22:20.08 | TD | it's a female name here |
| 22:20.09 | ChipX86 | or maybe not |
| 22:20.12 | ChipX86 | guess it's both |
| 22:20.16 | pagefault | melanie |
| 22:20.16 | pagefault | or smth |
| 22:20.22 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:20.36 | kergoth | is there a planet embedded? |
| 22:20.38 | kergoth | if not, there should be |
| 22:20.43 | pagefault | http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5559340333&rd=1 |
| 22:20.45 | pagefault | what the hell |
| 22:21.05 | pagefault | on a side note what the hell MSN has swallowed up ebay |
| 22:21.05 | pagefault | :/ |
| 22:21.14 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 22:22.42 | pagefault | MSN : swallowing up your favourite sites one at a time |
| 22:23.02 | TD | heh |
| 22:23.04 | pagefault | it was bad enough when they did it to my ISP |
| 22:23.10 | TD | was ebay really bought out? |
| 22:23.16 | pagefault | I lost my nice pop3 email in exchange for hotmail |
| 22:23.27 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7060 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network-editor.c: better initialization and finalization |
| 22:23.46 | TD | wow, they integrated that badly |
| 22:23.59 | pagefault | I think they partnered or something |
| 22:24.02 | pagefault | yeah no kidding |
| 22:24.07 | ChipX86 | they keep going back and forth |
| 22:24.08 | pagefault | looks like they just SSIed it |
| 22:24.12 | ChipX86 | they were with MS, hten IBM, then MS |
| 22:24.46 | pagefault | I wonder what the world would be like if IBM kept making OS/2 |
| 22:25.22 | purple_cow | creepy |
| 22:26.06 | purple_cow | hmm, i should make lunch |
| 22:28.50 | kergoth | hmm, so this linode place, people like it eh? |
| 22:30.36 | pagefault | file: status |
| 22:30.46 | file | new machine is right beside me |
| 22:30.53 | pagefault | nice |
| 22:30.55 | pagefault | how is it? |
| 22:31.01 | file | trying to get an OS to run on it |
| 22:31.13 | pagefault | didn't it come with one? |
| 22:31.16 | purple_cow | kergoth: it's pretty nice |
| 22:31.23 | file | pagefault: no, I didn't buy one... ha |
| 22:31.32 | pagefault | file, wow they sold it to you without one? |
| 22:31.33 | purple_cow | the I/O limit is a little tight for CIA, but probably fine for anything else |
| 22:31.57 | file | pagefault: yes |
| 22:32.04 | pagefault | file, how did you manage that |
| 22:32.05 | file | they wanted me to buy Redhat Enterprise or Windows 2003 Server |
| 22:32.09 | file | it's a small business server ;) |
| 22:32.21 | pagefault | oh |
| 22:32.25 | pagefault | :P |
| 22:32.30 | file | in other news, I corrupted my teacher |
| 22:32.39 | kergoth | yay, corruption |
| 22:32.52 | file | OVERALL: 100.0% A+ |
| 22:33.33 | file | even though I have done NO course material ;) |
| 22:33.33 | pagefault | whats with anime being encoded in WMV9 |
| 22:33.33 | pagefault | it's so nasty |
| 22:33.46 | file | this system has a nifty 80MB SATA drive with 8MB buffer |
| 22:33.54 | file | and, it's quiet... so very very quiet |
| 22:34.13 | pagefault | nifty |
| 22:35.45 | purple_cow | 80MB? |
| 22:36.03 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 22:36.07 | purple_cow | our apartment needs pod bay doors |
| 22:36.15 | purple_cow | so i can say "open the pod bay doors, micah!" |
| 22:36.29 | file | 80GB |
| 22:36.46 | pagefault | you should calm down |
| 22:40.24 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:41.44 | kergoth | TD: random question. wouldnt the use of relaytool have the same problems that not using library symbol versioning have.. that is, the app could crash (or not respond well) if a symbol it needs isnt available at runtime, rather than erroring up front? |
| 22:42.23 | TD | well, not crashing out at startup if something is missing is the whole point of relaytool |
| 22:42.37 | TD | if you want to abort if a symbol is missing, don't relay it |
| 22:43.06 | kergoth | ah, right. and if a relayed symbol is missing, you should handle that cleanly yourself |
| 22:43.19 | TD | exactly. that's what weak linking is all about |
| 22:43.28 | kergoth | gotcha. that makes sense. thanks |
| 22:43.34 | ChipX86 | TD: I need to have a talk about some autopackage stuff so I can better understand a few things |
| 22:44.59 | TD | sure, go for it |
| 22:45.59 | ChipX86 | ok, first, I see skeletons in the autopackage tree. Do things have to live there to be depended on? |
| 22:46.17 | kergoth | heh, we need to use #devlounge for more of this random stuff. still not used to it |
| 22:46.20 | TD | no, we just provide a bunch to get you started. anybody can install more, like they do with .pc files or something |
| 22:46.28 | TD | yeah, that's true. we could move over |
| 22:46.44 | TD | #devlounge is under-pimped. and more to the point, nobody seems to care much about moving from any of the others |
| 22:46.56 | kergoth | yep. unfortunate |
| 22:46.59 | TD | or we could stay here |
| 22:47.07 | kergoth | if we actually used it, that might help matters though |
| 22:47.09 | TD | ChipX86: for now we maintain a nice big archive of them |
| 22:47.12 | kergoth | as things stand, there isnt much reason for them to come over |
| 22:47.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47.18 | TD | true |
| 22:48.38 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:48.57 | ChipX86 | TD: ok, but, say, galago can have some on the site? |
| 22:49.20 | TD | ChipX86: yeah, you can distribute them however you like. i'm not sure it makes sense for us to keep them in autopackage cvs. maybe generic ones like DBUS |
| 22:49.45 | TD | you need skeletons for dependencies you have. so generic deps we'd happily accept |
| 22:50.24 | ChipX86 | would libgalago need an autopackage or just a skeleton? Where would I put it and how would I reference it and have it auto-download? |
| 22:50.53 | TD | it'd need a package and a skeleton. you put them on a website, along with a .xml file |
| 22:51.08 | TD | the xml contains some simple metadata about your package. the skeleton contains the URL of your xml file |
| 22:51.08 | ChipX86 | where? |
| 22:51.30 | TD | where what? |
| 22:52.08 | ChipX86 | brb |
| 22:53.01 | kergoth | you know |
| 22:53.03 | kergoth | its hard to job hunt |
| 22:53.08 | kergoth | when you dont know wtf you're looking for |
| 22:53.27 | TD | become a wine hacker ;) |
| 22:53.38 | purple_cow | hmm, wine |
| 22:54.48 | *** join/#tacobeam samyb (~samy@212.76.88.119) |
| 22:55.52 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7061 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network-editor.c: populate nick/real entries |
| 22:56.58 | kergoth | so, do other people maintain a template source tree for new projects, or is it just me? i find myself maintaining a 'libfoo' with my most commonly used autoconf macros and rules, docbook and doxygen bits, etc, so i have a common clean tree to use as a base |
| 22:57.11 | kergoth | bah, that shouldve been in #devlounge too, but fuck it |
| 22:57.35 | ChipX86 | I don't |
| 22:57.40 | ChipX86 | I once wrote a program to generate one |
| 22:57.45 | ChipX86 | but it's very out of date |
| 22:58.02 | ChipX86 | TD: ok, so.. where would the xml and stuff go on the site? How does a package reference it? |
| 22:58.11 | kergoth | its annoying propogating buildsystem updates and the like to the various projects |
| 22:58.13 | ChipX86 | and I take it autopackages shouldn't contain development headerS? |
| 22:59.18 | TD | ChipX86: just via an http url |
| 22:59.23 | TD | the xml can go anywhere |
| 22:59.30 | ChipX86 | can you show me how that works? I got very lost last night |
| 22:59.33 | TD | it's just a layer on indirection that says "this package, mirrored here, supports interface version X" |
| 22:59.38 | TD | sure, just a sec |
| 23:00.07 | TD | http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/gtkmm.xml |
| 23:00.32 | TD | that schema might not be 100% up to date, i'd need to check. but you get the basic idea |
| 23:00.42 | TD | theoretically they can point to native packages too |
| 23:00.53 | ChipX86 | how does the package find the schema? |
| 23:00.54 | TD | in which case in future, we'll use them instead (before falling back to apt) |
| 23:01.05 | ChipX86 | I don't get how my skeleton can reference that |
| 23:01.47 | ChipX86 | ughh, we got a new QA person recently and he SUCKS |
| 23:02.03 | purple_cow | yay, it gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling when HAL goes on his killing spree |
| 23:02.05 | pagefault | mmm meatball sub |
| 23:02.14 | TD | http://cvs.sunsite.dk/viewcvs.cgi/autopackage/main/share/skeletons/%40gtkmm.org/gtkmm2/skeleton.1?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 23:02.19 | TD | ChipX86: you just add a Repository: key |
| 23:02.53 | TD | so effectively the URL is compiled into peoples packages |
| 23:03.01 | TD | hence, make sure it's stable. |
| 23:03.03 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 23:03.10 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 23:03.19 | ChipX86 | and there's no such thing as development packages? |
| 23:03.31 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:03.33 | TD | you can make them, sure |
| 23:03.41 | scanline | TD is using navi for one of these super-stable URLs? :) |
| 23:03.55 | TD | they aren't really done right now, mostly because for apps it doesn't make much sense |
| 23:04.01 | TD | but there's no theoretical reason why it can't be done |
| 23:04.10 | TD | the main issue is that we kind of suck at reusing the same specfile for two packages |
| 23:04.11 | ChipX86 | why don't they make much sense for apps? |
| 23:04.20 | TD | well how many apps have headers and stuff? normally libraries do that |
| 23:04.25 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 23:04.36 | ChipX86 | I thought that was in reference to scanline's thing |
| 23:04.52 | TD | nah |
| 23:05.06 | TD | navi is stable enough :) anyway, fyre doesn't have a repository xml file |
| 23:05.09 | TD | it's not a dependency of anything |
| 23:05.44 | ChipX86 | going to need to have you look over my autopackage stuff when it's all done... |
| 23:05.50 | ChipX86 | also, when are we getting a dbus and glib dependnecy? |
| 23:05.52 | TD | sure, by all means |
| 23:05.52 | purple_cow | YAY darth_mall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:06.03 | TD | ChipX86: you mean skeletons? |
| 23:06.08 | ChipX86 | er, yeah |
| 23:06.14 | scanline | what did darth_mall do? |
| 23:06.46 | TD | dunno. when somebody writes them i guess. writing skeletons is pretty easy |
| 23:06.46 | purple_cow | scanline: he just brought home a certain dvd... |
| 23:06.51 | TD | especially for sane libraries like glib |
| 23:07.06 | TD | dbus might be a bit trickier, but as long as you can figure out what you've got from the command line it's no biggie |
| 23:09.36 | ChipX86 | I really don't want to write that one, but I guess I'll have to if I want to support autopackage in the first galago release |
| 23:09.48 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7062 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/irc-network-editor.c: ws |
| 23:09.51 | TD | well, a skeleton is usually about 2-3 lines of shell script plus a bit of simple metadata |
| 23:10.07 | TD | assuming each incompatible libdbus version has its own soname, it's like a 2 minute job |
| 23:10.23 | pagefault | are scripts written for xchat compatible with xchat-gnome? |
| 23:10.32 | purple_cow | pagefault: mostly |
| 23:10.34 | ChipX86 | TD: bad assumption |
| 23:10.35 | ChipX86 | they don't |
| 23:10.43 | TD | hah |
| 23:10.47 | ChipX86 | and they won't until 1.0, havoc says.. although there's discussion about that right now |
| 23:11.14 | TD | does dbus-daemon-1 have a --version switch? |
| 23:11.24 | ChipX86 | probably |
| 23:12.12 | TD | [mike@littlegreen oleaut32]$ dbus-daemon-1 --version |
| 23:12.12 | TD | D-BUS Message Bus Daemon 0.22 |
| 23:12.12 | TD | Copyright (C) 2002, 2003 Red Hat, Inc., CodeFactory AB, and others |
| 23:12.12 | TD | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. |
| 23:12.12 | TD | There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 23:12.13 | TD | so |
| 23:12.44 | TD | local dbus_version; |
| 23:12.50 | TD | dbus_version=$( LC_ALL=C dbus-daemon-1 --version | head -n 1 | sed 's/D-BUS Message Bus Daemon //' ) |
| 23:13.20 | TD | then you have to make up some mapping between release numbers (0.22 etc) and interface versions |
| 23:13.37 | TD | which are libtool style "what works with me" numbers. so you could decide that 0.22 is 1.0, 0.23 is 2.0, etc |
| 23:13.58 | ChipX86 | won't that break for when they actually release one with a new soname? |
| 23:14.01 | TD | the skeleton files can contain a [Notes] section to explain how you map the mess people inevitably make of versioning their software to concrete interface versions |
| 23:14.14 | TD | you mean dbus-daemon-2? |
| 23:14.33 | TD | we're not testing for libraries with that line. just scraping the output of the binary |
| 23:15.29 | ChipX86 | I mean, if I invent a 2.0, down the road when d-bus 1.0 is released, what do I do? |
| 23:15.44 | TD | just say that "DBUS 1.0" maps to interface versions 3.x |
| 23:15.50 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 23:16.00 | TD | interface versions are a purely artifical means of mapping the state of peoples system to a pair of integers |
| 23:16.01 | TD | A.B |
| 23:16.07 | TD | yes, in this cas it is unclean |
| 23:16.17 | ChipX86 | I can't do version 0.22, 0.23, etc? |
| 23:16.37 | TD | but you wish to distribute software that depends on DBUS while there are people with incompatible versions of it floating around, and the DBUS guys did not version this appropriately. so we have to make do with what we've got |
| 23:16.50 | TD | well, no. that would imply that 0.23 is backwards compatible with 0.22 |
| 23:16.55 | ChipX86 | oh. Yay. |
| 23:17.01 | darth_mall | blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 23:17.03 | darth_mall | so much hw to do |
| 23:17.08 | TD | it's the same old libtool rules. if something breaks backwards compatibility, add 1 to A |
| 23:17.14 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:17.16 | TD | if something adds features/api but stays compatible, add 1 to B |
| 23:17.37 | ChipX86 | right |
| 23:17.59 | ChipX86 | J5 is pushing for sonames |
| 23:18.05 | ChipX86 | and there will likely be a release very soon |
| 23:18.46 | darth_mall | so the bus driver on the way home today was playing, very loudly, that "Proud to be an American" song |
| 23:18.52 | darth_mall | it was terrible... |
| 23:18.58 | ChipX86 | ugh |
| 23:19.00 | ChipX86 | I hate that song |
| 23:19.22 | darth_mall | yep |
| 23:19.24 | ChipX86 | "Where at least I know I'm free" as if nobody else in the world is free |
| 23:19.34 | TD | yeah |
| 23:19.44 | kergoth | as if we're free. pfft. |
| 23:20.07 | darth_mall | I was a bit surprised at the volume he had it, considering how many people were on the bus |
| 23:20.18 | darth_mall | even if I liked the song, I'd be embarassed to listen to it at that volum |
| 23:20.22 | darth_mall | s/$/e/ |
| 23:20.32 | purple_cow | oh sweet |
| 23:20.35 | darth_mall | or at all in public, for that matter |
| 23:20.38 | purple_cow | lilypond has a fully functional SVG backend now |
| 23:22.01 | darth_mall | nifty |
| 23:23.11 | darth_mall | bleh! why do teachers have to assign so much damned homework |
| 23:25.03 | purple_cow | http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001915.html |
| 23:29.16 | pagefault | my workstation is a mess |
| 23:30.19 | file | mmm everything is compiled for 64-bit |
| 23:30.22 | darth_mall | purple_cow: lol |
| 23:30.32 | file | the only thing slowing it down seems to be the SATA speed |
| 23:31.49 | pagefault | not running full speed? |
| 23:32.02 | file | it is running full speed. |
| 23:33.05 | file | still mighty fast |
| 23:33.54 | pagefault | leeenox |
| 23:34.12 | file | neat, it does have gigabit board |
| 23:34.15 | pagefault | do they have precompiled packages? |
| 23:34.19 | pagefault | for intel64 |
| 23:34.25 | file | yes, Debian does |
| 23:34.30 | file | pure64! |
| 23:34.37 | file | my entire system is running 64-bit apps |
| 23:35.02 | pagefault | they are compiled for intel's cpu though? |
| 23:35.04 | pagefault | and not amd64? |
| 23:35.10 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:35.20 | file | intel 64-bit is compatible with amd64, in fact it is almost exactly amd64 |
| 23:35.25 | file | intel just added some more stuff |
| 23:35.36 | pagefault | yeah but they certainly don't run the same code at the same speed |
| 23:35.48 | file | but so far amd64 is what everything is |
| 23:36.02 | file | cause Intel's stuff hasn't been out that long... and they haven't made too much of a big deal about it |
| 23:36.06 | pagefault | ah |
| 23:36.17 | pagefault | you will probably want to switch to intel based binaries once they come out |
| 23:36.32 | file | we'll see how it is. |
| 23:36.51 | KeyserSoze | jbot: seen Sophie_bath? |
| 23:37.02 | jbot | sophie_bath is currently on #tacobeam. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 18m 5s |
| 23:37.02 | pagefault | I wonder if the EMT64 has the same limitations of the original P4 |
| 23:37.03 | file | such as? |
| 23:37.18 | ChipX86 | long bath |
| 23:37.21 | KeyserSoze | you'd think after 1 hour and 18 minutes she'd be out of the bath |
| 23:37.28 | pagefault | no barrel shifters, low L1 cache size, and some other stuff |
| 23:37.38 | file | 1MB of L2 cache |
| 23:37.56 | file | the thing has more cpu flags then I've ever seen |
| 23:37.58 | KeyserSoze | if there pipe wasn't so long, the 1mb of l2 would be nice |
| 23:38.02 | KeyserSoze | instead of a bandaid |
| 23:38.12 | file | it's actually working quite well |
| 23:38.19 | KeyserSoze | yeah? |
| 23:38.21 | file | just when Linux hits disk access, then it slows down |
| 23:38.25 | KeyserSoze | got a link to a review? |
| 23:38.29 | KeyserSoze | oh, you have one? |
| 23:38.31 | file | yes |
| 23:38.40 | file | I have a 3.4GHz/HT/64-bit/1MB beside me |
| 23:38.45 | KeyserSoze | oooooh |
| 23:38.46 | KeyserSoze | shiny |
| 23:38.54 | pagefault | :P |
| 23:39.14 | file | Pentium-M is beautiful |
| 23:39.26 | file | darth_mall: PANTS! |
| 23:39.30 | pagefault | yeah |
| 23:39.40 | pagefault | pentium-m was like the last good CPU intel made |
| 23:39.42 | file | pagefault: soon time to meet eachother! MUAHA |
| 23:39.43 | CIA-3 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3099 10openembedded/ (532 files in 343 dirs): Fix the quilt PATCHCMD to stop rampantly chmod'ing, which made the CVS directories not executable, thereby screwing up the ability to rm -rf tmp. Thanks to holger freyther for pointing it out. |
| 23:39.59 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: they're just jeans, but I like them. They're comfy |
| 23:40.18 | pagefault | P4 32-bit was naaasty |
| 23:40.23 | KeyserSoze | pentium-m isn't that old, and the only other one that has newer models is th eP4 |
| 23:40.31 | darth_mall | pagefault: I've heard good things about the IA64 |
| 23:40.40 | KeyserSoze | so it's not like intel is on a decline from the days of the PM :) |
| 23:40.49 | KeyserSoze | darth_mall: i like the jeans that are cargo pants |
| 23:40.51 | pagefault | I still need barrel shifters |
| 23:40.54 | KeyserSoze | lots o pockets |
| 23:41.00 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: ^^ |
| 23:41.14 | pagefault | P4 was the first CPU to not have them since the 486 |
| 23:41.14 | file | just a bit *G* |
| 23:41.24 | purple_cow | scanline gives new meaning to the word "penknife" |
| 23:41.24 | file | KeyserSoze: you ruined my joke! |
| 23:41.25 | file | BAH |
| 23:41.39 | KeyserSoze | sorry, your joke would have been good |
| 23:41.44 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:41.47 | pagefault | file, yeap |
| 23:41.50 | darth_mall | yay! scanline brought back our destroy mornings stuff |
| 23:42.07 | pagefault | yay |
| 23:42.09 | file | yay!!! |
| 23:42.10 | kergoth | yay |
| 23:42.22 | KeyserSoze | yay? |
| 23:42.23 | file | 44% downloaded to install KDE |
| 23:42.32 | darth_mall | coffee mug is nice |
| 23:43.31 | purple_cow | hmm, so now what am i going to watch? |
| 23:43.39 | KeyserSoze | family guy |
| 23:43.45 | KeyserSoze | you can never have too much family guy |
| 23:43.50 | pagefault | SysInfo: Diskspace: 5.50G Free: 0.52G |
| 23:43.53 | kergoth | ~emulate brian |
| 23:43.54 | jbot | Well, Peter, if you're going to pull a party out of your ass, you might want to go ahead and stand up. |
| 23:43.54 | pagefault | wow |
| 23:43.59 | darth_mall | oooh... and scanline's shirt is cute ^^ |
| 23:44.03 | pagefault | why aren't my other drives mounted |
| 23:44.16 | darth_mall | kergoth: stop... you're makin' me want to watch Family guy =D |
| 23:44.17 | pagefault | I was wondering why I had no disk space |
| 23:45.05 | pagefault | bring your workstation with you file |
| 23:45.16 | file | 'yeah, this is my carry on' |
| 23:45.23 | pagefault | did you buy a monitor with it? |
| 23:45.27 | file | ha no |
| 23:45.35 | file | I already have a CRT and LCD |
| 23:45.40 | pagefault | SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 1984.894 MHz Bogomips: 3932.16 Mem: 811/1012M [||||||||||] Diskspace: 5.50G Free: 0.52G Procs: 93 Uptime: 1 day 21 hrs 43 mins 44 secs Load: 0.34 0.26 0.35 Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 2.03G Out: 537.40M |
| 23:45.40 | pagefault | Sensors: HDD: |
| 23:45.43 | pagefault | my system |
| 23:45.45 | kergoth | ~stab pagefault |
| 23:45.47 | jbot | ACTION runs at pagefault with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:45.47 | pagefault | yours is probably faster |
| 23:45.50 | pagefault | yay! |
| 23:45.51 | pagefault | stabbed |
| 23:45.52 | file | hehe |
| 23:45.59 | pagefault | yeah that script is ugly |
| 23:46.03 | file | 6766.59 bogomips for me |
| 23:46.13 | file | 3391.659MHz |
| 23:46.43 | darth_mall | ugh... probability is kicking my ass |
| 23:47.04 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:47.04 | pagefault | yay Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed |
| 23:47.12 | file | indeed |
| 23:47.25 | scanline | MIPS are actually fairly useful on a lot of processors |
| 23:47.25 | file | alas, there is an x8 PCI Express slot begging to be modified |
| 23:47.34 | scanline | they're just way overrated on x86 |
| 23:47.44 | darth_mall | toes? |
| 23:47.48 | ChipX86 | yay, my rio order request is sent to the warehouse |
| 23:48.06 | scanline | I mean, if you have a PIC that runs at 5 MIPS, you know that it's going to run one non-branching instruction 5M times per second |
| 23:48.11 | scanline | no matter what |
| 23:48.17 | *** join/#tacobeam file2 (~file@mctn1-1987.nb.aliant.net) |
| 23:48.20 | file2 | haha, ironic |
| 23:48.25 | pagefault | yep |
| 23:48.39 | scanline | that wasn't ironic |
| 23:48.45 | scanline | it was your flaky connection :P |
| 23:48.45 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:48.55 | hardwire | anybody here ever mounted a UDF hard drive partition in windows? |
| 23:48.56 | file2 | nah it's my router... I need to muck with QoS or something |
| 23:48.57 | hardwire | that would be nice. |
| 23:48.59 | pagefault | I wonder how intel is going to handle their new processors that run at lower mhz |
| 23:49.00 | ChipX86 | the word ironic is used for way too many things now |
| 23:49.03 | hardwire | file2: I got ahold of david today |
| 23:49.08 | file2 | if the wired is downloading, then wireless goes kaboom |
| 23:49.11 | pagefault | 2ghz P4! |
| 23:49.12 | KeyserSoze | ChipX86: isn't it though? it's so ironic... |
| 23:49.13 | hardwire | he says you are a naughty little boy and no more sugar for you. |
| 23:49.17 | file2 | hardwire: lol |
| 23:49.18 | pagefault | it's faster than a 3.6ghz P4 |
| 23:49.20 | scanline | ChipX86: anything that people don't have a better word for must be ironic, right? |
| 23:49.25 | ChipX86 | scanline: yep |
| 23:49.37 | hardwire | file2: any cpu suggestions for transcoding 96 ilbc/g729a channels? |
| 23:49.40 | ChipX86 | pagefault: ultra-gigahertz? |
| 23:49.41 | purple_cow | my 1.4ghz PM is quite a bit faster than my 1.7ghz P4 |
| 23:49.47 | file | hardwire: between ilbc and g729a? |
| 23:49.51 | hardwire | either/or |
| 23:49.53 | pagefault | 1.4ghz PM is about the same speed as a 2ghz P4 |
| 23:49.53 | kergoth | i vote we stab alanis morissette for 'ironic' |
| 23:49.55 | hardwire | or gsm even |
| 23:49.55 | KeyserSoze | hehe. everything is faster than a 1.7GHz P4 |
| 23:49.57 | hardwire | to talk to vc |
| 23:49.59 | file | purple_cow: yeah I always found that to be the case with PM stuff |
| 23:50.08 | ChipX86 | my 1.8GHz PM is a lot faster than my 2.4GHz P4 |
| 23:50.11 | file | hardwire: we do g729a, and g729a, and... g729a |
| 23:50.15 | hardwire | we need to pack 96 consecutive channels (minimum 80) onto a 1.5mbps line |
| 23:50.19 | hardwire | or even 2.3mbps line |
| 23:50.19 | purple_cow | though to be fair, the p4 is 4 years old and has 1/16 the cache of the pm :P |
| 23:50.22 | scanline | oh, now that looks nice |
| 23:50.30 | kergoth | purple_cow: what laptop did you get again? |
| 23:50.31 | scanline | 1024x768 fyre animation playing back smoothly on my desktop |
| 23:50.37 | hardwire | g729a it is |
| 23:50.37 | purple_cow | kergoth: ibm thinkpad x40 |
| 23:50.40 | pagefault | purple_cow, and uses 1/4th the power |
| 23:50.45 | KeyserSoze | purple_cow: 1/16 of 1MB banias, or 1/16 of 2MB dothan? |
| 23:50.50 | hardwire | I thought the lucent boogie woogies talked GSM |
| 23:50.52 | purple_cow | 1/16 of 2MB dothan |
| 23:51.00 | purple_cow | err, i think |
| 23:51.02 | purple_cow | let me look |
| 23:51.03 | pagefault | file, you should turn on speedstepping |
| 23:51.04 | KeyserSoze | 128KB of L2? really? |
| 23:51.04 | file | hardwire: yeah but we have other stuff |
| 23:51.12 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:51.15 | file | and our Lucent doesn't talk GSM |
| 23:51.18 | KeyserSoze | it's more likely than 64KB, but i thought it was 256KB |
| 23:51.19 | purple_cow | err, i guess it's got 256 |
| 23:51.21 | file | what was I going to say... |
| 23:51.22 | purple_cow | so only 1/8 |
| 23:51.23 | hardwire | any elp for me.. findoing out how much bw we need? |
| 23:51.24 | purple_cow | but still |
| 23:51.32 | file | hardwire: Dual Xeon... faster then 2.8GHz |
| 23:51.37 | pagefault | my desktop has a whopping 256kb of L2 |
| 23:51.43 | hardwire | file: thats what I figured |
| 23:51.46 | purple_cow | big difference between 2M L2 and 256KB L2 |
| 23:51.50 | hardwire | we are going to spend $1500 on the quad span t1 card |
| 23:51.52 | pagefault | but it has 128kb of L1 |
| 23:51.53 | file | who was it... ah yes |
| 23:51.54 | pagefault | :) |
| 23:51.55 | hardwire | and probably a few grand on a dual xeon |
| 23:51.58 | file | pagefault: I dunno if it supports it |
| 23:52.00 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 23:52.03 | hardwire | that just seems so wastefull |
| 23:52.03 | pagefault | file, it should |
| 23:52.05 | ChipX86 | I have several gigs of cache |
| 23:52.11 | ChipX86 | I set it in my web browser! |
| 23:52.17 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:52.18 | hardwire | I would rather buy an audiocodes 4 port t1 voip system |
| 23:52.22 | pagefault | thems EMT64's run hot |
| 23:52.22 | file | pagefault: how can I tell? |
| 23:52.24 | hardwire | or one of the old lucents |
| 23:52.26 | pagefault | so they added speedstepping to them |
| 23:52.41 | file | might explain why the wait time on this CPU was 12 days |
| 23:52.42 | purple_cow | everything runs hot nowadays |
| 23:52.54 | ChipX86 | we should go back to the atari days |
| 23:52.55 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 23:52.57 | pagefault | file, it would be in the BIOS or something |
| 23:53.03 | KeyserSoze | speedstepping is nice. but it doesn't change the amount of power the chip uses when it's at 100% capacity |
| 23:53.03 | ChipX86 | computers are responsible for global warming |
| 23:53.05 | file | pagefault: well I didn't see it, hrm |
| 23:53.20 | pagefault | file, hmm maybe the next ones after yours support it |
| 23:53.23 | hardwire | file: is there any way to force asterisk into re-encoding g.729a |
| 23:53.25 | hardwire | instead of passthru |
| 23:53.32 | file | hardwire: no |
| 23:53.38 | hardwire | damn |
| 23:53.44 | hardwire | that would be handy for testing cpu reqs |
| 23:54.14 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:54.14 | pagefault | I want one of the new shiny FX-55's |
| 23:54.15 | hardwire | I suppose I could just have 96 meetme channels calling another meetme on another server |
| 23:54.17 | kergoth | http://conics.net/shop/frames/notebooks/sharp-mp7050/middle-sharp-pc-mp7050-spec.htm is tempting. |
| 23:54.27 | file | hardwire: yeah, wouldn't be the most accurate though |
| 23:54.35 | KeyserSoze | 1997 911 = 993 model. air cooled 3.4l, 282hp |
| 23:54.38 | KeyserSoze | very nice car |
| 23:54.41 | pagefault | 1mb L2 in an athlon |
| 23:54.42 | pagefault | mmmm |
| 23:54.55 | file | hardwire: meetme is natively in slinear, so it's just converting from that to g729 |
| 23:54.57 | purple_cow | kergoth: cute |
| 23:54.57 | KeyserSoze | but he is here in florida, his car is in Boston |
| 23:55.02 | file | hardwire: you'd want to go between your actual codecs |
| 23:55.17 | kergoth | purple_cow: pricier, and small display, but considering the proc and weight.. |
| 23:55.32 | scanline | mmm |
| 23:55.39 | KeyserSoze | 1997 targa = giant assed sliding sunroof. basically the whole roof is glass, and slides back electrically |
| 23:55.52 | purple_cow | kergoth: mine is about the same weight as that... |
| 23:55.56 | ChipX86 | me too :D |
| 23:56.02 | hardwire | slinear is pcm |
| 23:56.04 | hardwire | isn't it? |
| 23:56.06 | ChipX86 | wonder when I'll get it |
| 23:56.11 | ChipX86 | what shipping did you use? |
| 23:56.13 | file | 16-bit signed linear. |
| 23:56.27 | file | but yes, PCM |
| 23:56.36 | kergoth | scanline: what musicky-player are you gonna pick up? |
| 23:56.47 | file | in reality when you transcode it goes ulaw -> slinear -> g729 |
| 23:56.47 | scanline | kergoth: ChipX86 and I both ordered the Rio Karma 20 |
| 23:56.49 | file | and vice versa |
| 23:56.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:56.58 | hardwire | file: so its uhm |
| 23:57.01 | hardwire | a good test |
| 23:57.08 | file | it would be a fair test |
| 23:57.09 | TD | ChipX86: you didn't CC dbus-devel with your reply? |
| 23:57.09 | kergoth | cute |
| 23:57.10 | hardwire | cause its still doing the hefty part (pcm -> g729) |
| 23:57.14 | ChipX86 | TD: eep |
| 23:57.17 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:57.24 | hardwire | now to figure out how to do that |
| 23:57.26 | file | I'd be curious to hear the results |
| 23:57.39 | kergoth | scanline: i'll let you guys tell me how it is before i decide on one then. heh. |
| 23:57.39 | hardwire | I would think you could g.729a 24 channels off of a decent 1ghz machine |
| 23:57.40 | ChipX86 | TD: wrong button |
| 23:57.41 | hardwire | no problem |
| 23:57.41 | file | call files, to a playback of... something |
| 23:57.44 | scanline | kergoth: it's quite cheap for a 20GB hard disk player, it's small, and it does OGG and FLAC |
| 23:57.45 | scanline | :) |
| 23:57.48 | scanline | kergoth: and it has ethernet! |
| 23:57.48 | file | using the Local channel driver |
| 23:57.52 | hardwire | yes |
| 23:57.56 | kergoth | ooh. |
| 23:57.58 | TD | ChipX86: easy to do. just send it again, i don't mind |
| 23:57.59 | kergoth | neat |
| 23:58.01 | ChipX86 | it's all flash too |
| 23:58.05 | ChipX86 | only weighs about 10lbs |
| 23:58.15 | hardwire | 20 gigs of flahs? |
| 23:58.22 | ChipX86 | not really |
| 23:58.30 | file | ChipX86 is being all silly again |
| 23:58.47 | kergoth | i was thinking about an iriver |
| 23:58.50 | scanline | you could get 20GB of flash into something gum-pack-sized if you wanted to, it'd just be really super expensive |
| 23:58.52 | kergoth | or that paudio iaudio m3 |
| 23:58.58 | kergoth | but that iaudio doesnt have a display on the unit, which sucks |
| 23:59.06 | TD | ChipX86: cool, it went through |
| 23:59.08 | KeyserSoze | the rio karma looks lighter than 10lbs |
| 23:59.25 | KeyserSoze | or the pics are 1/10 scale |
| 23:59.28 | ChipX86 | the iAudio M3 was neat. I almost bought one.. but then jimmac posted about how quickly it broke |
| 23:59.37 | ChipX86 | the iRiver was neat, but I didn't want to spend the money |
| 23:59.48 | ChipX86 | the Rio Karma is neat, and cheaper, and will at least make for a good test |
