| 00:00.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 00:00.52 | lurgy | well.. |
| 00:01.00 | darth_mall | lurgy: come make me soup |
| 00:01.01 | lurgy | makes sense |
| 00:01.32 | lurgy | since pentium-m is basically souped-up pentium 3, and a pentium 3 will perform better than a pentium 4 at the same clock speed |
| 00:01.41 | lurgy | darth_mall: arf |
| 00:01.44 | Sophie_ | heh |
| 00:01.54 | ChipX86 | pfft, who needs a P4. It's only one number higher than a P3 |
| 00:02.04 | ChipX86 | and if you take the ascii value of 'M', it's obvious which chip is better |
| 00:02.10 | lurgy | hehe |
| 00:02.11 | ChipX86 | or even the roman value! |
| 00:02.12 | purple_cow | argh |
| 00:02.15 | lurgy | see, ChipX86 understands |
| 00:02.41 | lurgy | =( |
| 00:02.48 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: you need lib_ |
| 00:02.49 | kergoth | i'm thinking about getting one of: http://conics.net/shop/frames/notebooks/sharp-mp7050/middle-sharp-pc-mp7050-spec.htm |
| 00:04.09 | ChipX86 | no you don't |
| 00:04.25 | Sophie_ | okay, 10 million. |
| 00:04.32 | ChipX86 | okay then |
| 00:04.46 | JeffM2501 | as long as your honest with yourself |
| 00:04.58 | lurgy | and that's what's really important |
| 00:05.10 | lurgy | heh, navi's clock is getting pretty far off |
| 00:05.47 | kergoth | Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy you the kind of misery you prefer. ~Author Unknown |
| 00:05.52 | kergoth | hehe, i like that |
| 00:05.54 | Sophie_ | my clock says "half past four". It's 7. |
| 00:06.26 | lurgy | hehe |
| 00:06.28 | purple_cow | so, it turns out that the cdrw/dvd drive for this laptop is equally cute :) |
| 00:06.30 | lurgy | 17:19 < kergoth> +hehe, i like that |
| 00:06.30 | lurgy | 17:05 < Sophie_> -my clock says "half past four". It's 7. |
| 00:06.38 | lurgy | yay for crazy reverse time! |
| 00:07.28 | darth_mall | yay for lurgy |
| 00:07.29 | scanline | Sophie_'s clock uses big halves |
| 00:08.10 | Sophie_ | I like big halves. Big everything. |
| 00:08.19 | ChipX86 | everything? |
| 00:08.27 | Sophie_ | I like going to the store and wandering down the giant isle |
| 00:08.30 | JeffM2501 | big calves? |
| 00:08.36 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 00:09.31 | Sophie_ | with the giant vat of pickles and huge tubs of pudding. |
| 00:09.45 | kergoth | If all the economists were laid end to end, they'd never reach a conclusion. ~George Bernard Shaw |
| 00:09.48 | purple_cow | ahh, i didn't build scd support into my kernel |
| 00:09.55 | kergoth | ah yeah, i'm productive today |
| 00:10.04 | Sophie_ | I love GB Shaw/ |
| 00:10.08 | darth_mall | oooh pickles |
| 00:10.24 | kergoth | That money talks |
| 00:10.24 | kergoth | I'll not deny, |
| 00:10.24 | kergoth | I heard it once: |
| 00:10.24 | kergoth | It said, "Goodbye." |
| 00:10.25 | kergoth | ~Richard Armour |
| 00:10.53 | Sophie_ | mmm, money. |
| 00:10.58 | ChipX86 | mmm, monkey. |
| 00:11.33 | pagefault | stupid sticky mouse |
| 00:12.02 | kergoth | Lack of money is the root of all evil. |
| 00:12.03 | kergoth | George Bernard Shaw |
| 00:12.07 | kergoth | i like that too. |
| 00:12.34 | ChipX86 | I thinkll I be take the next bus |
| 00:15.40 | darth_mall | silly ChipX86 and his bus |
| 00:15.48 | Sophie_ | lots of these quotes appear to be very anti-money. |
| 00:16.10 | kergoth | Sophie_: i noticed that. not enough pro money quotes |
| 00:16.53 | darth_mall | moooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 00:17.33 | ChipX86 | man, this new QA person is really cute |
| 00:17.55 | kergoth | yay, cute |
| 00:18.08 | ChipX86 | cute, shy asian girl |
| 00:18.21 | scanline | oh no, cute |
| 00:18.30 | purple_cow | grr |
| 00:18.34 | Sophie_ | scanline :) |
| 00:18.38 | purple_cow | it's really difficult to install gnome without libbonoboui |
| 00:18.49 | ChipX86 | kinda |
| 00:18.51 | scanline | did lib_ emerge? |
| 00:19.25 | darth_mall | cuter than you? |
| 00:19.25 | darth_mall | but is she cuter than you? |
| 00:19.29 | ChipX86 | there is no lib_ |
| 00:19.33 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: most everybody is |
| 00:19.35 | scanline | and why not? |
| 00:19.41 | darth_mall | ChipX86: Sacresy! |
| 00:19.42 | ChipX86 | scanline: because it's just that cool of a name |
| 00:20.03 | ChipX86 | the C++ verison can be lib_-- |
| 00:20.09 | scanline | lib__ might have been a good name ofr python's builtins :P |
| 00:20.09 | kergoth | i vote for lib\ |
| 00:20.31 | scanline | lib(>")> |
| 00:20.40 | ChipX86 | heh, she's fun to talk to |
| 00:20.47 | darth_mall | lib-=^_^=- |
| 00:20.49 | Sophie_ | I vote for cute asain girls. |
| 00:21.04 | Sophie_ | I want to see Ghost in the Shell 2. |
| 00:21.15 | scanline | yes, you do |
| 00:21.16 | darth_mall | Sophie_: it's good |
| 00:21.19 | JeffM2501 | whole lota zen in that movie |
| 00:21.28 | JeffM2501 | the TV series is better |
| 00:21.28 | ChipX86 | Sophie_: yep, cute asian girls rock |
| 00:22.43 | Sophie_ | I can't seem to find a good, steady torrent. |
| 00:24.01 | ChipX86 | we're all striving for that. Sometimes it feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity.. and then if you blow it, it's like you'll spend the rest of your life alone |
| 00:25.14 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:25.20 | JeffM2501 | was that about the asian girls? or the torrent? |
| 00:25.21 | Sophie_ | me too. |
| 00:25.24 | ChipX86 | torrent |
| 00:25.27 | kergoth | so i sent my resume to someone i know that works for apple's ipod division. wish me luck |
| 00:25.37 | JeffM2501 | I think it works for asian grils too |
| 00:25.41 | ChipX86 | probably |
| 00:26.06 | darth_mall | kergoth: that'd be pretty cool |
| 00:26.12 | darth_mall | then you could pitch my iPod turkey idea |
| 00:26.12 | ChipX86 | asian grils are ideal. So much better than american grils. Especially that George Forman gril. |
| 00:26.15 | kergoth | i hear its a great place to work |
| 00:26.22 | ChipX86 | kergoth: where is it? |
| 00:26.33 | kergoth | cali, not sure where though |
| 00:26.44 | pagefault | argh |
| 00:26.46 | pagefault | stupid sticky mouse |
| 00:26.52 | purple_cow | aha, david's helpful tip of the day: things won't compile without kernel headers |
| 00:26.54 | ChipX86 | kergoth: San Joseish I think? |
| 00:27.00 | ChipX86 | if so, you'd be near me |
| 00:27.05 | Sophie_ | JeffM2: why must you taunt me? |
| 00:27.21 | pagefault | yeah don't ask |
| 00:27.30 | JeffM2501 | Sophie_, you could ask purple_cow to rip it |
| 00:27.36 | JeffM2501 | if I stick it in a machine |
| 00:27.45 | JeffM2501 | he's done the remote rip before |
| 00:27.46 | darth_mall | I think we've got a copy |
| 00:28.09 | darth_mall | unless you mean the TV show |
| 00:28.12 | kergoth | ChipX86: checked on their online job opportunities page, all the linux jobs are listed as " Santa Clara Valley, CA, USA" |
| 00:28.19 | Sophie_ | hmm. Maybe we can trade. |
| 00:28.36 | kergoth | doesnt mention the ipod specifically in those positions, but given they tend to mention firmware work and digital media work, i'd expect so |
| 00:28.39 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: that reminds me - I might visit |
| 00:28.43 | JeffM2501 | santa clara, that's like just up north a tad |
| 00:28.44 | ChipX86 | kergoth: okay, so not far from here really |
| 00:28.45 | Sophie_ | mmm, ipod. |
| 00:28.53 | pagefault | scanline, that would be a waste of good ethanol |
| 00:29.20 | kergoth | i think i'd like to move out there. i need a change of scenery anyway |
| 00:29.23 | kergoth | will see |
| 00:29.24 | ChipX86 | you'd be like 15, 20 mins from me |
| 00:29.30 | scanline | pagefault: you just need a logitech mx1000 :) |
| 00:29.52 | pagefault | yeah maybe, this mx500 has served me well though |
| 00:30.44 | pagefault | the icons have worn off the buttons |
| 00:31.55 | file[laptop] | I have too much free time on Saturday when I'm in SJC... |
| 00:31.57 | kergoth | i wish 2.6.10 and higher didnt like to shit itself on my desktop at home |
| 00:32.16 | pagefault | look for wifi hotspots and get on irc |
| 00:32.20 | pagefault | and watch time disappear |
| 00:32.29 | file[laptop] | I'm going to when I'm waiting for my flights to show up |
| 00:32.48 | file[laptop] | "Excuse me, do you have free wireless? ah excellent!" |
| 00:32.57 | Sophie_ | darth_mall, do you have an ftp server? |
| 00:33.13 | pagefault | free wireless? in an airport? who's dream is this again? |
| 00:33.24 | darth_mall | Sophie_: there's ssh access, but I'm not sure where that is right now; we had some disk troubles a little while ago |
| 00:33.34 | file[laptop] | pagefault: mine. |
| 00:33.41 | file[laptop] | pagefault: and fyi, we have it at the Moncton Airport! |
| 00:33.49 | pagefault | wow |
| 00:33.55 | pagefault | I finally have a reason to go to moncton now |
| 00:34.12 | file[laptop] | and in the Halifax airport |
| 00:34.25 | file[laptop] | plus Saint John airport ;) |
| 00:34.29 | pagefault | just think what it could do for winnipeg |
| 00:34.38 | file[laptop] | and finally... St John's! |
| 00:34.52 | scanline | mmm, autopackage is nifty |
| 00:34.55 | ChipX86 | my favorite bug. |
| 00:35.02 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:35.07 | purple_cow | i should get started on my chili soon |
| 00:35.08 | ChipX86 | it was reported that one of our dialog boxes has a 128x128 icon in it :D |
| 00:35.21 | purple_cow | since it'll take a couple hours to cook |
| 00:35.22 | ChipX86 | oops for not specifying a sane default size when moving that to SVG |
| 00:36.08 | pagefault | depends on libcoffee |
| 00:36.21 | file | heavily. |
| 00:36.55 | scanline | hrm |
| 00:37.05 | scanline | this lincity autopackage wants /dev/svga? :P |
| 00:37.17 | pagefault | how ancient |
| 00:37.26 | scanline | well, it's supposed to work in X also |
| 00:37.42 | ChipX86 | I want to build PVR software using evas and ebits and such |
| 00:37.56 | pagefault | eva unit 01 pvr |
| 00:38.02 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 00:38.09 | ChipX86 | I think I'll go ahead and move that to linux tonight |
| 00:38.10 | scanline | that could be dangerous =D |
| 00:38.19 | ChipX86 | dangerous... or fun? |
| 00:38.26 | darth_mall | fungerous! |
| 00:38.27 | scanline | pick any two? |
| 00:38.27 | pagefault | berzerker! |
| 00:39.15 | purple_cow | precious hamburgers? |
| 00:39.34 | pagefault | mmm pepto bismol |
| 00:39.36 | pagefault | pink goodness |
| 00:39.39 | pagefault | bleh |
| 00:39.48 | darth_mall | hmm... now I kinda want a hamburger for dinner... |
| 00:41.37 | pagefault | mmm burger |
| 00:41.50 | pagefault | with bacon and cheese |
| 00:42.19 | scanline | and guacamole |
| 00:42.25 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 00:43.14 | scanline | oh no, TD's gone |
| 00:43.40 | darth_mall | scanline: damn you and your guacamole |
| 00:43.53 | pagefault | guacamole on a burger? need to try that one |
| 00:44.01 | darth_mall | it's tasty |
| 00:46.16 | ToyKeeper | s/ t/ n/ |
| 00:46.35 | kergoth | ChipX86: pvr software using the efl? thatd be quite cool |
| 00:46.46 | kergoth | s/i t/ them/ |
| 00:47.43 | ChipX86 | kergoth: yep |
| 00:47.54 | purple_cow | woo! looks like i got libbonoboui to cooperate |
| 00:48.05 | purple_cow | apparently it won't build against libgnome-2.9 |
| 00:48.09 | scanline | foooooobuuuuuu! |
| 00:49.28 | purple_cow | ok, time to get started cooking :) |
| 00:50.36 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I should checkinstall fyre. |
| 00:57.09 | file[laptop] | buy one, get one free! |
| 01:01.16 | lurgy | yay food |
| 01:01.45 | scanline | it'd be cool to have at least an ebuild and an autopackage for fyre |
| 01:01.49 | darth_mall | ~cpr lurgy |
| 01:01.51 | jbot | lurgy: <smoochu> :-* |
| 01:01.57 | scanline | TD said he has an autopackage working, and purple_cow said someone was making a .deb |
| 01:02.30 | darth_mall | and lurgy can make a .rpm! |
| 01:02.45 | pagefault | wee SG-1 |
| 01:07.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:07.27 | scanline | almost tempting to do a self-contained linux binary release, for deploying on clusters |
| 01:07.38 | scanline | not statically linked, but including all the dynamic libs it needs |
| 01:09.32 | scanline | emerge fyre? :) |
| 01:09.44 | purple_cow | no, gnome and blender :) |
| 01:09.53 | scanline | pff, gnome |
| 01:09.59 | scanline | you'll never use that |
| 01:09.59 | darth_mall | purple_cow: you're not using the oven, are you? |
| 01:10.03 | purple_cow | darth_mall: nope |
| 01:10.05 | darth_mall | k |
| 01:11.03 | pagefault | bah |
| 01:11.05 | pagefault | stupid nautalis |
| 01:12.34 | pagefault | argh |
| 01:12.37 | pagefault | stupid Diablo-D3 |
| 01:12.43 | darth_mall | hehehe |
| 01:13.38 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> bah |
| 01:13.38 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> inline asm rocks |
| 01:15.23 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> nenolod: yeah, but if people dont use gcc, they suck |
| 01:15.23 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> thats why I like objc so much |
| 01:15.24 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> it forces people to use a better compiler |
| 01:15.25 | pagefault | this is funny |
| 01:15.42 | darth_mall | umm.... objc == objective c? |
| 01:15.48 | rioter | heh |
| 01:15.54 | pagefault | yeah I would assume so |
| 01:15.56 | nullpuppy | darth_mall: yeah |
| 01:16.01 | darth_mall | ~lart Diablo-D3 |
| 01:16.15 | pagefault | he likes objc over C++ |
| 01:16.51 | scanline | pagefault: that's a little weird but not nearly as weird as how he likes objc but hates all object oriented languages |
| 01:17.15 | darth_mall | scanline: objc is awesome because it has brackets |
| 01:17.16 | pagefault | well this is Diablo-D3 we are talking about |
| 01:17.36 | *** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.79.243) |
| 01:17.44 | pagefault | what he likes and dislikes changes on a day to day basis |
| 01:18.34 | pagefault | also the Z80 is just an incompatible clone of the 8088 |
| 01:18.37 | pagefault | according to him |
| 01:18.40 | scanline | haha |
| 01:18.51 | scanline | it'd probably melt his CPU |
| 01:19.24 | darth_mall | yay melt |
| 01:19.35 | pagefault | mmm marshmellow |
| 01:20.03 | pagefault | pretty ironic that fyre is called that |
| 01:20.07 | pagefault | since it does make your CPU hot |
| 01:20.29 | scanline | I'm still amused at those dells at school |
| 01:20.35 | scanline | sound like they're going to explode when you run fyre |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r933 10mck/PyMCK/ (Hardware/Micronet/Entity.py Sensor.py): |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: Yay, the memory leak caused by an over-full queue has been squashed, bringing |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: with it improvements in CPU utilization. Sensor scanning seems to be rather CPU |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: intensive still, with the most time spent in encoding and decoding packets for |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: the micronet. Perhaps a slower polling speed, or maybe a cache for the encoded |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: packets to ease CPU use... |
| 01:21.33 | scanline | yay, I guessed right or something ;) |
| 01:21.44 | scanline | slimspace: have you profiled it yet? |
| 01:21.46 | slimspace | scanline: yeah, the queue was filling up |
| 01:21.52 | slimspace | scanline: nope, not yet |
| 01:21.55 | scanline | k |
| 01:22.06 | scanline | there's probably a ton of optimization that can be done in that mnet code if it is the problem |
| 01:22.14 | slimspace | scanline: some initial checks though seem to show that encoding and decoding is the worst hog of CPU right now |
| 01:22.15 | pagefault | well it would probably make a good stress test for someone looking to see how stable their system is |
| 01:22.48 | slimspace | scanline: Ping scanning seems to take around 10% of the CPU for one micro, while the CD sendall takes a whopping 40-50% |
| 01:22.58 | scanline | hah, wow |
| 01:23.19 | scanline | I'd definitely suggest python's profiler, and the test module's benchmarking mode |
| 01:23.36 | scanline | I might be able to work on that after this test, though I should prolly do some senior project stuff |
| 01:24.03 | slimspace | take your time, not that much of a concern right now. Something we'll definitely need to address soon, but it all works, so I'm not too worried. |
| 01:24.07 | scanline | k |
| 01:24.18 | scanline | I'm not too worried, since there's tons of room for optimization in that code |
| 01:24.24 | slimspace | yeah, definitely |
| 01:24.27 | scanline | worst case we rewrite the packet codec in C or pyrex |
| 01:24.54 | scanline | first thing to check might be the checksum loop :) |
| 01:25.13 | slimspace | well, I was thinking that we might be able to store encoded packets for commands and replies that aren't expected to ever change in parameters, just so we avoid having to re-encode the same data all the time. |
| 01:25.35 | scanline | that might be good, though I'd be curious first to see what's making encoding so slow |
| 01:25.52 | scanline | if we had a cache, maintaining it properly could be tricky |
| 01:26.09 | slimspace | well, maybe not a cache, but some way of storing the data. |
| 01:26.36 | scanline | well, the data's all there, it's just that for some reason assembling it is slow |
| 01:26.40 | scanline | we just need to speed that up |
| 01:26.44 | slimspace | right |
| 01:27.46 | pagefault | <pagefault> well I would suggest you take it somewhere so some work can get done here |
| 01:27.46 | pagefault | <pagefault> please |
| 01:27.51 | pagefault | Diablo-D3> we could just move this to #shadowconflict |
| 01:27.53 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:27.57 | pagefault | great quote |
| 01:28.14 | pagefault | not like any work is being done there |
| 01:28.15 | file[laptop] | Literacy! |
| 01:28.39 | scanline | slimspace: the queue normally shouldn't be any bigger than 3 entries or so |
| 01:28.44 | scanline | :) |
| 01:28.54 | slimspace | yeah, it was very quickly getting into the high hundreds. |
| 01:29.07 | slimspace | Now I almost never see it with more than 1 or so request. |
| 01:29.12 | scanline | good |
| 01:29.30 | scanline | is this all on the real CD, or the simulator? |
| 01:29.36 | slimspace | real CD |
| 01:29.39 | scanline | cool |
| 01:43.56 | scanline | we should all measure current in MeHz |
| 01:44.03 | darth_mall | ok |
| 01:44.19 | kergoth | yay! home! |
| 01:44.36 | kergoth | well, boo, since i have a hell of a lot of cleaning to do |
| 01:44.38 | kergoth | but still |
| 01:50.18 | kergoth | (19:48:14) Bryan: don't buy a cold head soldering tool. they suck |
| 01:50.18 | kergoth | (19:49:09) Bryan: i got it today. put some new batteries in it. started melting some solder. and the thing melted itself. |
| 01:50.36 | purple_cow | hah |
| 01:50.44 | kergoth | s/head/heat/, of course |
| 01:50.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:50.53 | scanline | ha |
| 01:51.10 | kergoth | (19:49:29) Bryan: the tip started falling off. it was too hot for the plastic casing to hold... |
| 01:51.13 | kergoth | (19:50:00) Bryan: so the casing inside that holds the removable tips is all warped and melted. the on light doesn't even come on anymore |
| 01:52.09 | ToyKeeper | Wow. Great endorsement. |
| 02:00.06 | darth_mall | god I hate probability |
| 02:03.10 | ToyKeeper | There's a 52% chance probably hates you, too. |
| 02:03.23 | file[laptop] | uh oh, my name is going around |
| 02:03.56 | file[laptop] | http://www.aefirion.org/?q=credits |
| 02:03.58 | laodamas | poisson distributed of course |
| 02:06.10 | lurgy | mm |
| 02:06.11 | lurgy | poison |
| 02:11.50 | kergoth | jeeze, i need to get groceries more often |
| 02:11.59 | kergoth | spending over $100 on one trip is a bit much |
| 02:12.17 | file[laptop] | my parents go grocery shopping almost every month... |
| 02:12.19 | file[laptop] | er |
| 02:12.21 | file[laptop] | night |
| 02:12.32 | darth_mall | good story |
| 02:12.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15.22 | hardwire | I really want tacos tonight |
| 02:15.24 | hardwire | I am leaving for colorado in like.. 6 hours |
| 02:15.26 | hardwire | well |
| 02:15.28 | hardwire | shit |
| 02:15.32 | hardwire | 4 hours |
| 02:15.34 | hardwire | and I haven't packed |
| 02:15.36 | hardwire | I am still at work |
| 02:16.05 | file[laptop] | you're screwed |
| 02:16.21 | hardwire | naw |
| 02:16.23 | darth_mall | yay hardwire's coming back! |
| 02:16.24 | ChipX86 | yay home |
| 02:16.29 | hardwire | it takes me half an hour to pack |
| 02:16.37 | hardwire | I just can't wait to go to my favorite resteraunts |
| 02:16.42 | darth_mall | hardwire: are you gonna come visit? |
| 02:16.47 | hardwire | hell no |
| 02:16.52 | hardwire | you hippies are too far away still |
| 02:16.54 | darth_mall | we could roll you around on the roof |
| 02:16.55 | hardwire | I am headed to Ft Fun |
| 02:17.03 | file[laptop] | hardwire: roadtrip! |
| 02:17.04 | darth_mall | pff... that's like an hours drive |
| 02:17.08 | darth_mall | wuss |
| 02:17.17 | hardwire | I have a strict schedule :) |
| 02:17.27 | hardwire | and besides you are all hippies |
| 02:17.43 | hardwire | I don't associate with hippies in the flesh. |
| 02:17.51 | hardwire | its a rule my momma gave me |
| 02:18.09 | ChipX86 | my stuff came :D |
| 02:18.27 | darth_mall | obviously you don't know us very well |
| 02:18.32 | hardwire | hehe |
| 02:18.34 | hardwire | ChipX86: yay |
| 02:18.36 | file[laptop] | espically darth_mall |
| 02:18.50 | file[laptop] | darth_mall is obviously a ninja |
| 02:19.51 | ChipX86 | mmm tablet |
| 02:20.03 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: you're worse then me with buying stuff |
| 02:20.09 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 02:20.15 | ChipX86 | I do math before I buy. It makes me feel safe. |
| 02:20.24 | file[laptop] | eh I'm okay too... |
| 02:20.27 | ChipX86 | besides, I have more money saved up than my parents put together, so I don't care |
| 02:20.40 | file[laptop] | I think I'm roughly equal to my mother |
| 02:20.56 | file[laptop] | as for my step-dad... well... not even close |
| 02:20.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/README.WIN32: add a note about SSL and libCurl |
| 02:22.45 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: would you like to see a bunny on crystal meth? |
| 02:23.00 | ChipX86 | when wouldn't I? |
| 02:23.08 | hardwire | hmm |
| 02:23.10 | hardwire | that would be sad |
| 02:23.58 | purple_cow | yay, it's cooking |
| 02:24.13 | purple_cow | now i just get to let it simmer for a couple hours |
| 02:24.32 | file[laptop] | purple_cow: may I have some when it is done? |
| 02:24.37 | purple_cow | file[laptop]: no |
| 02:24.44 | file[laptop] | purple_cow: darn |
| 02:24.46 | hardwire | purple_cow: meth? |
| 02:25.11 | darth_mall | arg |
| 02:25.14 | darth_mall | I really don't get probability |
| 02:25.31 | rioter | purple_cow is cooking meth in his room again isnt he |
| 02:25.37 | purple_cow | absolutely |
| 02:25.47 | hardwire | I am looking at a stock analysis of Perfisans Network Corp |
| 02:25.53 | hardwire | who apparently makes Soft Nics |
| 02:25.54 | hardwire | hehe |
| 02:25.57 | purple_cow | if by meth you mean pork green chili and by room you mean kitchen |
| 02:25.58 | hardwire | in a non traditional sense |
| 02:26.08 | hardwire | they make NIC's that grok protocols |
| 02:26.18 | hardwire | and can offload 80% of the protocol processing to the NIC |
| 02:26.34 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 02:26.42 | purple_cow | i always love how my hands smell after an hour of cooking |
| 02:26.58 | hardwire | therefore.. assuming 1hz for 1 tcp/ip packet like most people are saying.. 1Gbps would fully utilise a 1ghz machine |
| 02:27.02 | hardwire | or something like that |
| 02:27.11 | hardwire | thats pretty impressive if 80% can be offloaded |
| 02:27.31 | purple_cow | you're sending 1bit per packet? :P |
| 02:27.57 | hardwire | don't you dare annoy me |
| 02:27.58 | hardwire | :) |
| 02:28.00 | hardwire | sorry |
| 02:28.09 | hardwire | 1hz per 1bit |
| 02:28.19 | hardwire | they explain it on their website how they figured this |
| 02:28.29 | hardwire | either way.. thats really spiffy' |
| 02:28.38 | hardwire | you could have a gigabit nic that barely hogs the CPU |
| 02:28.42 | purple_cow | hmm, hz per bit |
| 02:28.50 | ChipX86 | awesome, my wacom tablet's mouse scroll wheel is scrolling backwards :) |
| 02:28.52 | purple_cow | that's a bizzare measurement |
| 02:28.52 | hardwire | that would be wonderfull for clusters |
| 02:29.03 | hardwire | purple_cow: don't you think you would have to correlate it somehow? |
| 02:29.08 | purple_cow | mmm tori amos |
| 02:29.26 | hardwire | esp if you meant to reduce the amount of cpu overhead for networking |
| 02:29.37 | hardwire | you would have to find out what 1 unit of what is to the other |
| 02:34.55 | file[laptop] | clients are funny |
| 02:35.08 | file[laptop] | a TDM interconnect is suddenly fixed and stuff works again and they start congratulating me |
| 02:35.13 | file[laptop] | "But it wasn't me..." |
| 02:35.19 | file[laptop] | "a LIKELY story Joshua Colp!" |
| 02:38.53 | pagefault | argh |
| 02:38.56 | pagefault | gnumeric can't paste into OO |
| 02:38.58 | pagefault | how useless |
| 02:39.45 | file[laptop] | pagefault: useless indeed |
| 02:40.46 | purple_cow | ooh, i have direct rendering now |
| 02:41.13 | pagefault | fun |
| 02:41.15 | pagefault | ati? |
| 02:41.52 | purple_cow | intel 855GM |
| 02:42.01 | pagefault | oh |
| 02:42.08 | file[laptop] | that's mine... you really have direct rendering? |
| 02:42.21 | kergoth | hmmmmm |
| 02:43.07 | pagefault | ok |
| 02:43.09 | purple_cow | seems to work pretty well |
| 02:43.11 | pagefault | this mouse is pissing me off |
| 02:43.19 | purple_cow | once i finish getting gnome installed i'll emerge bzflag and give it a run |
| 02:43.28 | purple_cow | (see how well i can cope with the trackpoint ;) ) |
| 02:43.46 | pagefault | OO works well when it works |
| 02:43.47 | pagefault | :P |
| 02:45.08 | darth_mall | purple_cow: that's a frightening idea |
| 02:45.18 | kergoth | yay bzflag |
| 02:46.12 | purple_cow | no DRI on the external monitor, but i didn't expect that to ever work |
| 02:46.26 | pagefault | yay I am almost done this crappy assignment |
| 02:46.52 | ChipX86 | ok, so the tablet is not one of these htings you want to keep plugged in :) |
| 02:46.53 | pagefault | stupid business use case crap |
| 02:46.56 | pagefault | it's all BS |
| 02:46.57 | ChipX86 | or if you do, don't drop the pen on it |
| 02:48.53 | purple_cow | mmm, it's starting to smell pretty spectacular upstairs :) |
| 02:50.24 | pagefault | there |
| 02:50.34 | pagefault | my mouse got an isopropyl alcohol bath |
| 02:50.37 | pagefault | and works much better now |
| 02:50.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:52.42 | lurgy | heh |
| 02:53.51 | laodamas | http://homepage.mac.com/joacimmelin/jobs_NS30_demo_mpeg4.mov |
| 02:57.17 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:58.18 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:05.32 | purple_cow | scanline: did you go on another fyre rating spree? |
| 03:06.13 | pagefault | damnit |
| 03:06.15 | pagefault | MSN kicked me off again |
| 03:07.21 | laodamas | nifty, NS30 had OpenDoc like stuff |
| 03:08.06 | laodamas | too bad that level of object oriented goodness never went mainstream |
| 03:08.44 | ToyKeeper | Oi. I haven't used a rpm-based system for sooooo long. |
| 03:09.08 | file[laptop] | I need a new domain name... |
| 03:09.22 | ToyKeeper | Is there any apt-like way, in fedora core 2, to query available packages, and install one from upstream? |
| 03:09.39 | file[laptop] | ToyKeeper: yum? |
| 03:10.04 | ToyKeeper | Heh. I didn't realize that was in a standard install. :) |
| 03:10.13 | file[laptop] | I don't know, it might be |
| 03:10.55 | ToyKeeper | It is, on this box. |
| 03:11.02 | pagefault | ChipX86, gnome-panel updated yet again |
| 03:11.03 | pagefault | hah |
| 03:11.03 | file[laptop] | tada! |
| 03:11.17 | ChipX86 | pagefault: does it work? |
| 03:11.21 | pagefault | no idea |
| 03:11.27 | pagefault | I don't feel like restarting my session to find out |
| 03:11.30 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 03:11.41 | file[laptop] | pagefault: be afraid, be very afraid |
| 03:11.47 | ToyKeeper | This is sad. I wrote the rpm installer yum is based on, and I don't even remember how to query rpm for installed packages. ;) |
| 03:12.12 | pagefault | at least they update it often |
| 03:12.13 | ChipX86 | that's not something I'd admit ;) |
| 03:12.59 | kergoth | anyone who hasnt yet looked at and commented on my resume, please do so: http://hyperion.kergoth.com/dl/resume.pdf |
| 03:13.33 | ToyKeeper | Holy crap, batman. What did they do to yum? |
| 03:13.49 | ChipX86 | fixed it? |
| 03:14.00 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:15.38 | darth_mall | man I love baked potatos |
| 03:15.50 | ToyKeeper | Oi, manual dependencies tonight, I guess. |
| 03:15.51 | kergoth | i havent had one of those in like 2 years |
| 03:16.33 | darth_mall | lurgy: maybe in a bit |
| 03:16.37 | darth_mall | lurgy: I'm eatin' dinner right now |
| 03:16.49 | file[laptop] | okay, who stabbed a dagger into my back cause it rather hurts |
| 03:16.53 | purple_cow | just remember |
| 03:17.03 | purple_cow | in the game of chess, you must never allow your opponent to see your pieces |
| 03:17.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:17.23 | file[laptop] | silly purple_cow |
| 03:17.26 | darth_mall | purple_cow: no no, if we've learned nothing from OOP it's that the game is kriegspiel |
| 03:17.29 | ChipX86 | what was that from.. |
| 03:17.31 | lurgy | ooh, dinner |
| 03:17.43 | lurgy | ok |
| 03:17.46 | file[laptop] | does lurgy want dinner? |
| 03:17.46 | lurgy | you win this time, penguin |
| 03:17.52 | lurgy | not really, no |
| 03:17.58 | file[laptop] | but it's yummy |
| 03:18.08 | lurgy | darth_mall: we have a new chess set to try playing on |
| 03:18.18 | darth_mall | lurgy: cool |
| 03:18.24 | lurgy | zak broughted it home, it's all different and stuff |
| 03:18.29 | lurgy | made out of some metally stuff |
| 03:18.35 | kergoth | 21:17 -!- bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #handhelds.org |
| 03:18.38 | kergoth | 21:17 < bluefoxicy> does anything work anymore |
| 03:18.41 | kergoth | 21:17 < kergoth> nope, nothing at all. feel free to go away |
| 03:18.52 | darth_mall | lol |
| 03:19.07 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 03:19.11 | kergoth | aw, he didnt go away |
| 03:19.17 | ChipX86 | :( that was rude of him |
| 03:19.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:19.24 | kergoth | people just have no respect these days |
| 03:19.36 | kergoth | yay |
| 03:19.44 | file[laptop] | as a talented under-appreciated code slinger! |
| 03:20.20 | file[laptop] | this looks like code from SCO products |
| 03:20.26 | kergoth | dont! its embedix code, itll blind you |
| 03:21.11 | kergoth | hm, gotta love a song entitled 'the boogie monster' |
| 03:21.28 | kergoth | boored |
| 03:21.35 | file[laptop] | kergoth: how much do you bet Tim will do an OE up for the zipit when everything is released? |
| 03:21.46 | pagefault | ChipX86, did you have the problem with it not saving your resolution you choose in preferences? |
| 03:21.49 | file[laptop] | so a firmware image can easily be built |
| 03:22.01 | kergoth | file[laptop]: hehe. tim doesnt know oe, i'd be willing to bet he does a buildroot, and i'll end up doing oe |
| 03:22.07 | kergoth | but yep, i get the point :) |
| 03:22.08 | file[laptop] | kergoth: haha |
| 03:22.19 | file[laptop] | kergoth: you should knock him around with oe! |
| 03:22.28 | kergoth | i could, too. oe is a beast |
| 03:22.34 | kergoth | itd hurt to get smacked by that |
| 03:23.20 | darth_mall | know what else hurts? |
| 03:23.24 | darth_mall | washing your face in acid |
| 03:23.28 | kergoth | no doubt |
| 03:24.02 | file[laptop] | darth_mall: your sillyness level is increasing exponentially |
| 03:24.12 | darth_mall | you know what else hurts? |
| 03:24.15 | purple_cow | the probability is getting to his brain |
| 03:24.23 | darth_mall | when your friend hardwire comes back to visit and doesn't love you enough to say hi |
| 03:24.34 | file[laptop] | ;( |
| 03:24.59 | darth_mall | I mean, really, why the hate? |
| 03:25.10 | file[laptop] | well I don't hate you! |
| 03:25.26 | darth_mall | yeah, but I was talking about hardwire |
| 03:25.32 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6782 10/trunk/ (sawfish/ themes/sawfish/): this should be in themes/ |
| 03:25.36 | purple_cow | yay |
| 03:25.39 | purple_cow | first commit from kirby =D |
| 03:25.39 | file[laptop] | then I'll take the cupcake back |
| 03:25.41 | darth_mall | silly purple_cow moving things |
| 03:26.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:26.09 | kergoth | wonder when ti's gonna give us our bonus checks |
| 03:26.09 | purple_cow | darth_mall: how do i install this here tummy hole theme? |
| 03:26.15 | kergoth | i heard it was gonna be mid-february |
| 03:26.43 | darth_mall | purple_cow: the easy answer is to check out a copy of it to /usr/share/gdm/themes |
| 03:27.06 | darth_mall | purple_cow: the hard answer is to check out a copy not to /usr/share/gdm/themes and then copy it to /usr/share/gdm/themes |
| 03:27.17 | purple_cow | darth_mall: cool beans |
| 03:28.42 | ChipX86 | I can't get this tablet working right |
| 03:28.53 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: it's a sign of trouble to come |
| 03:28.56 | darth_mall | I'm not sure whether that was lurgy or scanline, but they just blew their nose pretty hilariously |
| 03:28.57 | ChipX86 | gimp sees it, but none of the switching or pressure stuff is working |
| 03:29.20 | pagefault | hrm |
| 03:29.22 | pagefault | memleak somewhere |
| 03:30.08 | scanline | purple_cow: nope |
| 03:30.17 | scanline | (about the fyre rating spree) |
| 03:30.27 | scanline | ooh nicer |
| 03:30.30 | scanline | I guess somebody did |
| 03:30.33 | scanline | 9.23! |
| 03:31.04 | scanline | so that was a lousy excuse for a physics midterm |
| 03:31.41 | scanline | all multiple choice, only one or two of the questions even approached making you think |
| 03:31.41 | purple_cow | it was down to 9.05, then suddenly back up by a lot :) |
| 03:31.41 | lurgy | lalala.. |
| 03:31.41 | scanline | cool |
| 03:31.45 | darth_mall | lurgy: my dinner is done |
| 03:31.52 | lurgy | yay done |
| 03:31.53 | darth_mall | lurgy: you may now proceed to kick my ass at chess |
| 03:32.02 | pagefault | trying to make my next background in fyre |
| 03:32.41 | purple_cow | scanline: let's do that after 2.0, mmmk? :) |
| 03:32.46 | scanline | pff |
| 03:32.51 | scanline | silly purple_cow and his practicality |
| 03:32.57 | purple_cow | i'd love a webapp, but 2.0 will be cool beyond belief |
| 03:33.00 | scanline | it'd be a cool example of remote control mode ;) |
| 03:33.04 | scanline | true |
| 03:34.26 | scanline | guess the next step in fyre at the moment would be new stopping conditions |
| 03:34.29 | scanline | so we can get 1.0 out |
| 03:34.37 | pagefault | uh yay |
| 03:34.46 | scanline | that's going to take some research |
| 03:34.50 | pagefault | my image just vanished |
| 03:34.51 | pagefault | hrm |
| 03:35.13 | scanline | pagefault: maybe you were really close to a fixed point? could try enabling emphasize transient |
| 03:35.31 | pagefault | well I switched to another app and came back and it was gone |
| 03:35.35 | pagefault | was rather odd |
| 03:35.37 | scanline | huh |
| 03:35.53 | purple_cow | hmm, /me is gettin' really hungry |
| 03:35.54 | scanline | maybe your keyboard focus was wonky and you typed something in fyre? |
| 03:36.02 | purple_cow | but it has to cook for another 10-40 minutes =/ |
| 03:36.07 | pagefault | maybe |
| 03:36.14 | pagefault | can't reproduce it |
| 03:36.31 | ChipX86 | pizza, or chinese.. |
| 03:36.55 | kergoth | why is it that half the people i know that can get me jobs in companies |
| 03:36.59 | kergoth | arent even in the US? |
| 03:37.17 | rioter | hah |
| 03:37.21 | pagefault | pizza is always a winner |
| 03:37.33 | kergoth | rioter: this one is in brisbane. trolltech |
| 03:37.38 | kergoth | dunno if i really want to be doing qt dev though |
| 03:37.44 | scanline | you don't |
| 03:37.44 | rioter | isnt that the qt dev place |
| 03:37.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:37.57 | kergoth | i didnt mind qt when i did opie hacking |
| 03:38.02 | kergoth | just not sure if thats really what i want to do long term |
| 03:38.32 | rioter | im a project manager now :) |
| 03:38.49 | ChipX86 | ugh, qt.. I hate working in qt |
| 03:38.49 | kergoth | really? cool. what sort of project? |
| 03:39.14 | kergoth | i suspect that now that i've enjoyed working in C, both in kernelspace, and in userspace with glib, that it might not be as fun as it was a while ago |
| 03:39.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:39.22 | pagefault | I don't like qt's license |
| 03:39.28 | kergoth | you dont like the gpl? |
| 03:39.33 | rioter | web development project for some club |
| 03:39.55 | pagefault | well I didn't like it before they change it to GPL on windows |
| 03:40.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:40.10 | kergoth | pfft, windows, who cares about that |
| 03:40.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:40.19 | file[laptop] | sleep? hrm sleep |
| 03:40.22 | pagefault | well I always like to keep my options open if I have to port |
| 03:40.38 | scanline | really the only thing not to like about Qt's license is that, if you're a contributor, they have to be able to relicense your work |
| 03:40.40 | purple_cow | yay |
| 03:40.47 | purple_cow | tummy hole looks so pretty on kirby :) |
| 03:40.51 | scanline | if you're just a developer using Qt, there's nothing more to it than the GPL |
| 03:41.00 | kergoth | scanline: yeah. if you're willing to BSD license the segments of code, its fine |
| 03:41.06 | kergoth | scanline: you dont have to assign copyright or anything |
| 03:41.32 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:41.32 | kergoth | i'd be upset if you did. as is, not that big a deal |
| 03:41.32 | kergoth | especially since in some countries you _cant_ reassign copyright :) |
| 03:41.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:41.42 | ChipX86 | ok too hungry |
| 03:41.43 | scanline | but really, who wants to contribute to Qt? all the people I've seen complain about it are just users |
| 03:41.56 | kergoth | hey, my tslib handler for qte is upstream. |
| 03:41.59 | kergoth | with zecke's modifications |
| 03:42.03 | kergoth | we had to bsd license it |
| 03:42.15 | kergoth | our linux kernel keymap code for qte is making it in as well :) |
| 03:42.26 | scanline | ooh neat, kernel keymaps |
| 03:42.29 | scanline | about bloody time ;) |
| 03:42.36 | kergoth | it inherits the kernel keymap by default, same way kdrive does |
| 03:42.46 | lurgy | purple_cow: poke? |
| 03:42.52 | lurgy | purple_cow: care to mount the navi stuff on wasabi? |
| 03:42.58 | purple_cow | sure |
| 03:43.15 | lurgy | yay |
| 03:43.27 | purple_cow | done |
| 03:43.58 | lurgy | yay |
| 03:43.59 | lurgy | thanksky |
| 03:44.23 | rioter | think i can sue a band for going on a 'world' tour but not coming to australia, it is false advertising |
| 03:45.50 | purple_cow | silly rioter |
| 03:45.58 | purple_cow | everyone knows australia isn't part of the world |
| 03:45.58 | scanline | australia isn't part of the world |
| 03:46.00 | scanline | just like the US |
| 03:46.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:46.20 | kergoth | mm, pot pie. havent had that in awhile |
| 03:48.46 | file[laptop] | kergoth: something... other than pizza? are you mad?!? |
| 03:48.53 | kergoth | yes! |
| 03:49.10 | file[laptop] | excellent |
| 03:51.37 | purple_cow | yay, mono is installed |
| 03:52.52 | pagefault | argh |
| 03:52.54 | pagefault | I hate SMB |
| 03:53.21 | pagefault | yeah windows networking |
| 04:03.48 | scanline | it's too bad fyre can't use the same metrics they use for measuring compression quality |
| 04:04.04 | scanline | we just need one image after infinite rendering time to compare our current image with ;) |
| 04:04.25 | pagefault | wow nextstep can move the entire window, not just the outline |
| 04:04.30 | pagefault | amazing |
| 04:08.47 | pagefault | what happened to next anyway? |
| 04:08.49 | pagefault | just didn't sell? |
| 04:16.16 | darth_mall | pagefault: save it for your horse |
| 04:24.44 | pagefault | wow $500 fax modem |
| 04:24.46 | pagefault | hah |
| 04:26.32 | ChipX86 | I wish this would work |
| 04:27.11 | *** join/#tacobeam hardwire (~hardwire@209.112.194.45) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:30.58 | purple_cow | woo |
| 04:31.08 | purple_cow | after only about 2.5 hours of cooking, my dinner is done! |
| 04:32.23 | purple_cow | mmmmm |
| 04:32.24 | purple_cow | so tasty |
| 04:32.37 | laodamas | purple_cow: what tasty vittles did you concoct? |
| 04:32.48 | purple_cow | laodamas: pork green chile :) |
| 04:33.02 | laodamas | sounds scrummy :) |
| 04:35.04 | ChipX86 | :)) |
| 04:35.08 | ChipX86 | helps if you use the right device |
| 04:35.20 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:35.32 | kergoth | y |
| 04:40.33 | laodamas | silly people who celebrate holidays popularized by greeting card companies |
| 04:40.45 | kergoth | i'd rather not |
| 04:40.53 | kergoth | but i suspect my gf would castrate me |
| 04:40.59 | kergoth | so.. yeah, celebrating |
| 04:41.45 | laodamas | "In Ancient Rome, the day of February 15 was Lupercalia, the festival of Lupercus, the god of fertility, who was represented as half-naked and dressed in goat skins." |
| 04:42.09 | kergoth | yay |
| 04:42.22 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:42.24 | kergoth | headache |
| 04:43.21 | laodamas | 義理チョコ |
| 04:44.36 | laodamas | hmm, it seems irssi's unicode support is a bit lacking^^ |
| 04:44.42 | kergoth | yep, i noticed that |
| 04:44.44 | kergoth | whee, boxes |
| 04:44.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:45.07 | purple_cow | mmmm |
| 04:45.08 | purple_cow | so tasty |
| 04:50.42 | purple_cow | there's just something special about roasted anaheims |
| 04:53.12 | kergoth | http://www.gigapxl.org/ |
| 04:53.13 | kergoth | "It would take a video wall of 10,000 television screens or 600 prints from a professional digital SLR camera to capture as much information as that contained in a single Gigapxl™ exposure." |
| 04:53.18 | kergoth | heh, wow |
| 04:53.27 | pagefault | hah |
| 04:53.45 | pagefault | diablo-d3 feels he deserves a cut of the zsnes donation money because he is 'attempting' to fix the opengl code |
| 04:53.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:53.53 | ChipX86 | hahaha |
| 04:55.57 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> probably stack corruption |
| 04:55.57 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> but I wonder what Im doing wrong |
| 04:55.57 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> or if its just zsnes itself doing it |
| 04:56.06 | purple_cow | how much donation money has zsnes collected? |
| 04:56.20 | pagefault | in total? |
| 04:56.24 | purple_cow | sure |
| 04:56.39 | pagefault | like $1000 maybe in the 3 years we collected it |
| 04:57.03 | purple_cow | wow |
| 04:57.19 | purple_cow | i think since bzflag started taking donations, tim's collected enough to cover DNS registration :P |
| 04:57.19 | pagefault | some people donate like $100 |
| 04:57.48 | pagefault | haha |
| 05:00.44 | pagefault | cool a bavarian creme hotdog that is self microwaving |
| 05:00.46 | darth_mall | mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:00.57 | ChipX86 | hah yay, I have two mouse cursors |
| 05:01.08 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 05:01.17 | nullpuppy | do you have two mice too? |
| 05:01.27 | darth_mall | purple_cow: some people are ninjas like chipX86 |
| 05:01.30 | ChipX86 | I have a tablet and a mouse |
| 05:01.37 | ChipX86 | there's something wrong.. |
| 05:01.58 | darth_mall | well... not really |
| 05:02.02 | darth_mall | but I'm insanely jealous |
| 05:02.54 | kergoth | hm, looks like i've collected 1124.32 over the years from donations directly to me for OZ |
| 05:03.10 | kergoth | course like 500 of that was to fund the purchase of a sl6000 so oz would support it |
| 05:03.38 | ChipX86 | didn't get to talk to Jamie tonight :( |
| 05:03.44 | ChipX86 | nobody answered when I called |
| 05:03.44 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 05:03.48 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 05:03.57 | ChipX86 | hope everything's ok |
| 05:05.05 | darth_mall | ChipX86: it's ok, it was probably just a meteor strike or Godzilla or something |
| 05:10.27 | lurgy | ooh, something |
| 05:13.09 | lurgy | heh, i doubt this laptop will get used much anymore except by me |
| 05:14.44 | kergoth | beck - devils haircut |
| 05:14.51 | kergoth | havent heard this one in a while |
| 05:16.48 | purple_cow | people should come watch blakes 7 with us |
| 05:16.49 | lurgy | hehehe |
| 05:16.54 | lurgy | it's been far too long since i've watched this |
| 05:17.05 | lurgy | scanline: yep, ideal opportunity... first episode ever.. |
| 05:21.23 | purple_cow | scanline: shall we rewind? :) |
| 05:21.44 | scanline | eh |
| 05:21.45 | scanline | hold on |
| 05:21.47 | scanline | need to send some email |
| 05:22.03 | pagefault | hah that fighting music from star trek is so famous |
| 05:22.29 | pagefault | they seem to use it in everything now |
| 05:24.05 | ChipX86 | this kid keeps trying to talk to me about geometry homework |
| 05:24.36 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:25.30 | rioter | why do they do this to me |
| 05:25.40 | rioter | release a repack just as my download finishes |
| 05:25.44 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:25.58 | pagefault | well bed time |
| 05:29.22 | kergoth | pagefault: you know waht i find odd |
| 05:29.33 | kergoth | is how often the "door opening" sound from the original Doom gets used |
| 05:29.46 | kergoth | its in cartoons, commercial, i hear it all over the place |
| 05:29.47 | kergoth | its odd |
| 05:31.19 | purple_cow | hehe, what a wonderfully campy show |
| 05:33.15 | purple_cow | kergoth: doesn't it bother you that you spend your life in a state of drug-induced tranquility? |
| 05:34.46 | kergoth | purple_cow: it bothers me that i dont! |
| 05:37.12 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:37.41 | ChipX86 | yay, Jamie called |
| 05:37.48 | ChipX86 | but boo, she's feeling bad and going to bed early |
| 05:37.59 | darth_mall | ChipX86: was I right? was it Godzilla? |
| 05:38.04 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 05:38.07 | darth_mall | dammit |
| 05:42.30 | purple_cow | hmm. once again, i have no ice cream |
| 05:42.36 | purple_cow | silly darth_mall |
| 05:42.57 | purple_cow | sleeping or godzilla? |
| 05:43.03 | scanline | yes |
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| 06:04.34 | scanline | wrrrrb.. |
| 06:15.04 | lurgy | yyyyyyep |
| 06:16.29 | purple_cow | it's amazing how slow this laptop felt under windows given how screaming it is under linux :) |
| 06:18.45 | scanline | eeeep |
| 06:18.51 | scanline | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 06:18.53 | scanline | eep |
| 06:19.10 | purple_cow | i love how i get about 1e6 iter/s more on this machine in fyre than on my desktop |
| 06:19.36 | scanline | :) |
| 06:20.16 | purple_cow | 6e6? really? |
| 06:20.22 | purple_cow | what CPUs? |
| 06:20.59 | scanline | they're actually usable interactively at 1024x768 |
| 06:21.01 | scanline | P4,, something around 3GHz |
| 06:21.05 | scanline | really nice LCDs on all those too |
| 06:21.13 | scanline | so sad that I can't cluster them :( |
| 06:27.04 | purple_cow | yay, gnome |
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| 06:29.26 | purple_cow | yay, battery shows a pretty reliable 5h with cpufreq |
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| 06:33.36 | scanline | ooh, ggi commits |
| 06:33.41 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 06:33.45 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 06:34.07 | kergoth`bbl | 00:30 < taj> I think my brother did one of the best. hot plugged RAM. Burn marks all over the MB, CPU, ... |
| 06:34.10 | kergoth`bbl | 00:32 < taj> melted the memory slot. |
| 06:34.13 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 06:34.55 | scanline | heh. diablo-d3 advertising gmail on #commits... |
| 06:35.04 | scanline | ow |
| 06:35.42 | scanline | not that hot plugging RAM is a great idea, but he must have been inserting it wrong for that to happen |
| 06:35.58 | kergoth`bbl | yep |
| 06:36.34 | scanline | too many people underestimate 3.3V at about 40A :P |
| 06:36.43 | rioter | hah |
| 06:36.58 | ChipX86 | pfft |
| 06:37.01 | ChipX86 | that's not dangerous |
| 06:37.05 | ChipX86 | I hotswap my CPU all the time! |
| 06:37.27 | ChipX86 | some operations just need a faster CPU, but who wants the heat build-up 24/7? |
| 06:37.35 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:37.57 | ChipX86 | mmmm cpufreak |
| 06:38.13 | scanline | kergoth`bbl: nah, for that you gotta hotswap the clock crystal |
| 06:38.24 | kergoth`bbl | where its at.. i got two turntables and a microphone |
| 06:38.27 | kergoth`bbl | scanline: hah |
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| 06:40.21 | purple_cow | hmm, spiral brush looks weird on this LCD |
| 06:40.38 | ChipX86 | how so? |
| 06:41.26 | purple_cow | dunno, it's weird |
| 06:43.07 | ChipX86 | and I sayeth onto gaea, "Gaea, thou hasteth linuxth," and gaea sayeth unto me, "kay" |
| 06:44.06 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 06:44.06 | scanline | yay, linuxth |
| 06:45.04 | nullpuppy | and then the router went patooie |
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| 06:49.26 | purple_cow | yayayayay! |
| 06:49.30 | purple_cow | i can run blender on kirby! |
| 06:49.42 | ChipX86 | grrr |
| 06:50.06 | purple_cow | hmm, NetworkManager is masked |
| 06:51.19 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 06:51.46 | ChipX86 | "Youre PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue. You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably." |
| 06:51.51 | kergoth`bbl | ow |
| 06:52.03 | kergoth`bbl | gah, my precarious stack of cans on my desk collapsed |
| 06:52.07 | ChipX86 | stupid stupid vaio |
| 06:52.11 | scanline | You're PnP BIOS has the gum disease known as GIN-GIVITIS! |
| 06:52.26 | lurgy | yay masked |
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| 07:00.20 | lurgy | 3!!!! |
| 07:00.28 | lurgy | not 4 |
| 07:00.45 | purple_cow | hmm. i don't seem to have the wireless applet available... |
| 07:11.12 | lurgy | fg |
| 07:11.17 | kergoth`bbl | bg |
| 07:11.34 | lurgy | disown % |
| 07:11.39 | kergoth`bbl | aw |
| 07:11.57 | lurgy | mwa ha |
| 07:17.37 | lurgy | bleh |
| 07:17.38 | lurgy | bedtime |
| 07:27.24 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6783 10cia/doc/budget: Add a donation from the wonderful folks at nslu2-linux.org |
| 07:28.20 | scanline | CIA has money enough to cover hosting through June =D |
| 07:28.45 | purple_cow | hurray! |
| 07:37.34 | scanline | er |
| 07:45.36 | scanline | and since I don't really trust unionfs at all, now flapjack is mirroring navi and rex's svn backups :P |
| 07:50.43 | scanline | yay, backups fixed |
| 07:59.05 | ChipX86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.08 | ChipX86 | stupid stupid Sony |
| 07:59.34 | ChipX86 | you can't get to the side of the drives to unscrew them |
| 07:59.43 | ChipX86 | so you can't take them out or replace them |
| 08:12.21 | purple_cow | =/ |
| 08:18.51 | scanline | bleh, lots of fyre 2.0 ideas keeping me awake |
| 08:19.22 | purple_cow | scanline: time to hang up the whiteboard? |
| 08:19.32 | scanline | nah, I'm playing with it in inkscape |
| 08:19.41 | purple_cow | oh? |
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| 08:26.45 | purple_cow | yay |
| 08:26.46 | ChipX86 | damn. I don't want to buy another drive for this new computer |
| 08:26.49 | purple_cow | tummy hole is such a great gdm theme =D |
| 08:26.54 | ChipX86 | I have two perfectly good ones in this case |
| 08:28.22 | purple_cow | cool |
| 08:28.40 | purple_cow | as i frobnicate the cpufreq applet, /proc/cpuinfo changes :) |
| 08:29.36 | ChipX86 | ahhh got it |
| 08:32.58 | scanline | a mockup thingy in svg |
| 08:34.44 | purple_cow | ah, for the graph? |
| 08:34.54 | scanline | and associated UI |
| 08:38.47 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/toys.jpeg =D |
| 08:39.00 | scanline | ooh, juice |
| 08:39.12 | purple_cow | yep |
| 08:41.28 | scanline | nah |
| 08:41.34 | purple_cow | aww |
| 08:42.50 | purple_cow | is the UI stuff you're designing the graph editing? |
| 08:42.57 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:43.04 | purple_cow | mmmk |
| 08:43.06 | scanline | I'm just playing, I'll show you when I'm done :P |
| 08:43.29 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:43.54 | ChipX86 | I feel bad giving this to jamie. It's such an ugly case. |
| 08:45.50 | ChipX86 | http://www.atozincomputer.com/catalog/casedge_ta-210_350w_beige_case_atx_3748611.htm |
| 08:46.17 | purple_cow | wow, beige |
| 08:46.36 | purple_cow | i didn't think they made beige anymore. now it's all black and silver and blue LEDs |
| 08:46.36 | ChipX86 | see that purple thing on the drive bay area? |
| 08:46.45 | ChipX86 | I cannot figure out what it does |
| 08:46.54 | ChipX86 | it's on a spring and slides up and down |
| 08:46.59 | ChipX86 | I kind of thing it's there for the engineers' amusement |
| 08:47.17 | purple_cow | the purple thing? |
| 08:47.35 | ChipX86 | yeah, top-right part of the case on the bottom pic |
| 09:03.38 | scanline | :) |
| 09:04.23 | scanline | inkscape needs a LaTeX mode |
| 09:05.23 | purple_cow | hah |
| 09:05.33 | purple_cow | save as eps and include in LyX :) |
| 09:05.44 | scanline | too lazy |
| 09:05.59 | purple_cow | hmm, i should have lyx on kirby |
| 09:08.37 | purple_cow | scanline: where's your kirby .svg? |
| 09:08.55 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/kirby.svg |
| 09:09.32 | purple_cow | 404 |
| 09:09.39 | scanline | hrm |
| 09:09.55 | scanline | now it's there |
| 09:11.02 | purple_cow | hurray |
| 09:13.38 | scanline | =) |
| 09:13.59 | scanline | hmm |
| 09:14.03 | scanline | I should finish this later and sleep now |
| 09:14.10 | purple_cow | you should show me first :P |
| 09:14.13 | scanline | yeah |
| 09:14.50 | scanline | hold on |
| 09:15.41 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/fyre2-mockup-1.png |
| 09:15.55 | scanline | the "iterative" object would need some extra signals for initial conditions, iteration count and such |
| 09:16.01 | scanline | and there need to be a lot more objects on there :P |
| 09:16.50 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:16.51 | scanline | so there wouldn't be any explicit flow control- it's mostly data driven |
| 09:17.00 | purple_cow | you're nuts :) |
| 09:17.03 | scanline | the "iterative" object acts like a register |
| 09:17.18 | scanline | those thick lines all carry vectors |
| 09:17.24 | scanline | scalars would probably have thinner lines |
| 09:17.38 | scanline | it'd also be nice to show the data type on a signal somehow |
| 09:17.48 | scanline | most objects would support many data types |
| 09:18.02 | scanline | iterative wouldn't care at all what type it gets |
| 09:18.12 | scanline | histogram imager would take anything coercible to an integer vector |
| 09:18.12 | scanline | etc |
| 09:18.52 | scanline | also, there would need to be an easy way to take unconnected inputs and stick them in the GUI as parameters |
| 09:19.02 | scanline | yeah, probably |
| 09:19.05 | scanline | anyway.. I should sleep |
| 09:19.14 | purple_cow | well |
| 09:19.26 | purple_cow | i imagine we'd have two classes of parameter |
| 09:19.47 | scanline | image parameters and rendering parameters? |
| 09:19.54 | purple_cow | things that *had* to be connected in the graph (like Iterative's input/output) |
| 09:19.59 | purple_cow | and things that could optionally be connected |
| 09:20.16 | scanline | might as well make everything optional, then if it isnt' connected it's available as a parameter |
| 09:20.18 | purple_cow | and the optional stuff gets sucked into a ParameterEditor type thing |
| 09:20.30 | purple_cow | (if it's disconnected) |
| 09:20.30 | scanline | yeah |
| 09:20.59 | scanline | I don't see any reason to make anything strictly required- it'd be kinda useless to make iterative's input a parameter, but I don't think it should be prohibited |
| 09:22.07 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 09:22.37 | scanline | this is going to be an awful like simulink or labview |
| 09:22.42 | scanline | er, awful lot |
| 09:22.42 | purple_cow | yep |
| 09:23.06 | scanline | anyway... /me snoozes |
| 09:37.44 | ChipX86 | I have been panicking about Jamie's keyboard, slamming on keys here, hitting control-alt-delete.. nothing responded |
| 09:37.53 | ChipX86 | then I realized I was using the wrong computer's keyboard |
| 09:37.56 | ChipX86 | poor gaea |
| 09:38.01 | purple_cow | heheh |
| 09:39.31 | ChipX86 | it's such a crappy compute |
| 09:39.34 | ChipX86 | computer |
| 09:39.40 | ChipX86 | but it's better than what she would have |
| 09:42.14 | ChipX86 | hrm. |
| 09:42.17 | ChipX86 | this is no good |
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| 13:13.46 | TD | hi guys |
| 13:13.49 | TD | ChipX86: yo |
| 14:02.12 | TD | hmm |
| 14:02.20 | TD | emacs is broken on navi, needs libXm.so.2 which went walkies |
| 15:13.01 | CIA-5 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com> * 10/: Silence non-error in dbghelp |
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| 15:56.03 | CIA-5 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com> * 10/: Alter the version heuristics a bit |
| 16:31.30 | Cae | and now for lisp homework.. |
| 16:48.15 | KeyserSoze | now if it was $20, i'd probably buy a couple to play around with. |
| 16:50.49 | Cae | what kind of idiot.. |
| 16:52.39 | Cae | ..automatically aliases rm to rm -i for all users |
| 16:53.07 | ToyKeeper | That's not uncommon. |
| 16:53.13 | ToyKeeper | Especially at schools. |
| 16:53.31 | Cae | but it's really annoying |
| 16:53.46 | Cae | if I want it removed, yes, I want it fucking removed |
| 16:53.53 | Cae | that's what the -f command is for |
| 16:54.02 | Cae | why doesn't that override -i, anyway? |
| 16:54.16 | Cae | I already killed the alias |
| 16:55.02 | ToyKeeper | If I alias rm='rm -i' and then "rm -f foo", it doesn't ask me. |
| 16:55.15 | ToyKeeper | You can also work around the alias by doing "/bin/rm foo". |
| 16:56.06 | Cae | yeah |
| 16:57.55 | Cae | " Locate and test 3 significant and demonstrative examples of macros in Lisp programming language." |
| 16:58.15 | Cae | I'm not sure what I would define as significant/demonstrative..useful, maybe.. |
| 16:59.03 | Cae | car, caar, cdr, rest? |
| 17:00.30 | ToyKeeper | Are those implemented as macros? |
| 17:00.42 | Cae | basically, I like *nix because it does exactly what I tell it to do. like C. it doesn't second guess me. this admin wants *nix to run like java. |
| 17:00.46 | Cae | I hate java. |
| 17:00.55 | ToyKeeper | I always forget what the basic set of essential lisp functions are. (the ones the rest can be built from) |
| 17:01.25 | Cae | car's first element, cdr's rest of list |
| 17:02.59 | ToyKeeper | Uh, yeah. But are they macros? Are they part of the essential lisp set? Are they just regular functions? |
| 17:03.09 | ToyKeeper | I forget. |
| 17:03.09 | Cae | defmacro's a macro |
| 17:03.27 | Cae | si |
| 17:07.28 | Cae | defun's also a macro |
| 17:08.11 | ToyKeeper | The teacher probably wants examples of things which are either not possible without macros, or which are much more difficult without them. |
| 17:09.03 | Cae | cond |
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| 17:27.59 | kergoth | hmm, montavista has open positions for both arm kernel development and build engineer |
| 17:33.43 | purple_cow | school time |
| 17:45.09 | Cae | hm. defun, setf, and cond we sort of did in class. but they're useful. besides them, trace, incf, decf, and time.. |
| 17:45.32 | Cae | and that's more than enough since 3 is the number I'm supposed to do.. |
| 17:46.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:46.14 | Cae | I don't think he'll mind..I hope.. |
| 17:46.24 | Cae | well, incf and decf are almost exactly the same anyway |
| 17:46.29 | Cae | increment and decrement |
| 17:48.42 | Cae | and then they all go into a pdf |
| 17:50.39 | Cae | which I suppose I could write now.. |
| 17:55.53 | Cae | but I don't really feel like it... |
| 17:56.35 | Cae | hey look, webcomics.. |
| 17:58.18 | kergoth | ~unproductivity |
| 17:58.19 | jbot | yay! |
| 18:00.47 | scanline | ah, looks like I was just seeing a bunch of crazy peaks before |
| 18:01.00 | scanline | gettinga about 4e6 right now with two fyre processes |
| 18:01.21 | scanline | and there go the fans... |
| 18:01.41 | kergoth | zim has done weird things to my head. whenever i read 'crazy', i hear that guy going craaaaaaazy tacos on that commercial in zim |
| 18:01.52 | scanline | futurama does that too |
| 18:05.07 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:05.17 | scanline | now that I'm used to it, i quite like these +/- keys that ChipX86 suggested :) |
| 18:09.14 | TD | +/- ? |
| 18:09.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6784 10fyre/TODO: Fyre really could use undo |
| 18:10.02 | scanline | TD: keyboard/menu widgets for zooming |
| 18:11.35 | TD | in what, fyre? |
| 18:11.46 | scanline | yeah |
| 18:12.39 | scanline | aww |
| 18:12.44 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:12.49 | scanline | that's odd |
| 18:16.56 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 18:17.12 | ChipX86 | I get way too much vibrator spam |
| 18:17.16 | Cae | .. |
| 18:17.38 | kergoth | 13:02 < chouimat> ROFTL "Allowed format for your resume are .doc or .ppt" |
| 18:17.56 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 18:18.11 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:18.15 | TD | lol |
| 18:18.26 | Cae | powerpoint. that would be...interesting.. |
| 18:19.06 | scanline | wow, this one almost looks like one of those plasma lamps |
| 18:19.06 | ChipX86 | yay! Jamie's computer runs |
| 18:19.19 | kergoth | yay |
| 18:19.19 | ChipX86 | and now, off to work |
| 18:19.24 | kergoth | boo |
| 18:19.24 | Cae | have fun |
| 18:19.31 | ChipX86 | she's goign to need to name this box.. calling it locket for now |
| 18:19.39 | Cae | nono, kergoth, we must be supportive |
| 18:19.48 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:19.48 | kergoth | oh |
| 18:19.49 | kergoth | oops |
| 18:19.50 | ChipX86 | no, work's good |
| 18:19.53 | ChipX86 | today, we get fed |
| 18:20.00 | scanline | this computer actually gets a lot quieter when rendering fyre animations than it is running interactively |
| 18:20.01 | Cae | go to work and earn money so the government can take half of it. :) |
| 18:20.02 | ChipX86 | food, and then lots of snacks for a meeting |
| 18:20.05 | ChipX86 | I think there may be cake |
| 18:20.13 | ChipX86 | at the very least, there's all kinds of cookies and pastries |
| 18:20.29 | Cae | bah |
| 18:20.31 | ChipX86|Gone | Cae: I want my half back :~( |
| 18:20.44 | Cae | and they want to play golf |
| 18:21.06 | Cae | with really expensive golf balls, made of your money |
| 18:22.12 | CIA-5 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com> * 10/: Rearrange WINPROC_CallWndProc to give clearer tracing |
| 18:27.45 | darth_mall | ugh... I hate being sick |
| 18:28.07 | scanline | :( |
| 18:30.47 | Cae | eep, class |
| 18:37.23 | darth_mall | scanline: it's ok, I still love you |
| 18:37.28 | scanline | yay |
| 18:38.06 | darth_mall | mmmmmmmmm... this oatmeals is settling my stomach |
| 18:38.44 | scanline | yay oatmeals |
| 18:39.15 | darth_mall | yup |
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| 18:41.01 | darth_mall | zak: are you done with the flogging molly stuff in /tmp on navi? |
| 18:41.37 | zak | darth_mall: no, i haven't had a chance to be sitting at a windows computer where i could load the softwear i need long enough to transfer the files |
| 18:42.38 | zak | it's just that the only computer i can load stuff on is mine and i haven't really been home lately |
| 18:43.06 | zak | (i mean i can download them anywhere, so i can do that..) |
| 18:44.01 | zak | darth_mall: go ahead and delete them, i just downloaded them to my zdrive at the itll, i can get to them from anywhere. |
| 18:44.17 | scanline | zdrive! |
| 18:44.28 | zak | scanline: phhhhbt |
| 18:44.39 | scanline | these monitors are so nice... |
| 18:44.45 | zak | scanline: where are you? |
| 18:45.28 | zak | scanline, darth_mall, purple_cow, lurgy, slimspace (and tess): are any of you planning to go to kendra's birthday party tonight? |
| 18:45.30 | scanline | zak: ITS lab in the ECCR |
| 18:46.38 | scanline | hmm |
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| 18:51.20 | zak | darth_mall, purple_cow, lurgy, slimspace: scanline has my email if you decide you want to go, please let me know by 4:30 (as i will not have a chance after that to check my email) |
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| 19:07.17 | darth_mall | yay, ChipX86 came back! |
| 19:09.48 | pagefault | I have spread fyre around my system's class |
| 19:10.32 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:10.45 | scanline | win32 version? |
| 19:10.51 | pagefault | yeah |
| 19:10.58 | pagefault | some people using linux though |
| 19:11.01 | darth_mall | scanline: you should teach a class in fyre |
| 19:11.04 | pagefault | I just set up a samba share of it |
| 19:11.08 | scanline | :) |
| 19:11.12 | scanline | yay self-contained |
| 19:11.25 | darth_mall | it'd be like a photoshop class, but fyre |
| 19:15.45 | scanline | that'd be especially fun with fyre 2.0 |
| 19:16.55 | darth_mall | especially |
| 19:20.31 | ChipX86 | yay cute QA girl |
| 19:20.44 | ChipX86 | good change from the big, hairy Russian QA guys |
| 19:21.32 | ChipX86 | bah! Emily's not doing any more shows for a while :( |
| 19:21.48 | ChipX86 | I'm going to have to e-mail her and find out what's up |
| 19:22.12 | scanline | oh boy, another commit from my team with no log message |
| 19:23.02 | darth_mall | oooooooooooooh Russians |
| 19:24.03 | TD | ChipX86: emily is the cute QA girl? |
| 19:24.18 | TD | DATE HER |
| 19:24.19 | TD | oh wait |
| 19:24.21 | TD | you have a girlfriend |
| 19:24.23 | darth_mall | lol |
| 19:25.10 | ChipX86 | I'm certain the cute QA girl is taken |
| 19:25.17 | darth_mall | yeah, but you're ChipX86! |
| 19:25.18 | ChipX86 | Emily is Emily Richards, the singer that I know in LA |
| 19:25.47 | ChipX86 | I'm going to have her sing at my wedding. That's the only thing about my wedding that I know. |
| 19:26.01 | ChipX86 | the cute QA girl is Kae Chy |
| 19:26.18 | scanline | TD: emacs should be fixed |
| 19:26.19 | darth_mall | silly ChipX86, can I come? |
| 19:26.29 | TD | ta |
| 19:26.36 | ChipX86 | sure |
| 19:27.48 | darth_mall | ChipX86: awesome! I'll bring dip |
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| 19:29.27 | pagefault | wee |
| 19:29.41 | ChipX86 | cool! Now I must figure out who I'm marrying |
| 19:31.07 | pagefault | haha |
| 19:33.32 | scanline | it's amazing how smoothly this UI works under IE |
| 19:34.53 | pagefault | it's amazing anything works in IE |
| 19:36.18 | pagefault | yay spam |
| 19:36.22 | pagefault | gmail is catching all of it |
| 19:37.41 | pagefault | a lot of it is wormmail thoug |
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| 19:39.34 | darth_mall | hi Cae |
| 19:40.01 | Cae | yay vending machine |
| 19:40.16 | Cae | it decided I was hungry, so it gave me two bags of pretzels instead of one |
| 19:40.55 | darth_mall | Cae: neat |
| 19:40.57 | darth_mall | can I have one? |
| 19:41.03 | darth_mall | oooh pretzels actually sound kinda tasty |
| 19:41.11 | Cae | if you come here and get it |
| 19:41.31 | Cae | http://aggiecon.tamu.edu/ you guys are all invited :) |
| 19:42.09 | Cae | we got the red vs blue guys |
| 19:42.31 | darth_mall | unfortunately I think that's finals week... |
| 19:42.35 | darth_mall | otherwise I'd consider it |
| 19:42.46 | Cae | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:47.12 | Cae | april 30-may 5 |
| 19:47.21 | darth_mall | what's that? |
| 19:47.23 | Cae | finals |
| 19:47.27 | darth_mall | ah |
| 19:47.52 | Cae | though 21-24 is kinda close |
| 19:48.54 | darth_mall | yeah, if it were after finals I'd be more inclined to make the trip |
| 19:49.06 | Cae | it's always march/april |
| 19:49.30 | Cae | the next one is aggiecon 37 "in a row?!" |
| 19:49.50 | Cae | the other quote for it is "try not to suck any dick on your way to the parking lot" |
| 19:50.20 | Cae | jay and silent bob.. |
| 19:50.27 | darth_mall | Clerks |
| 19:50.32 | Cae | and we're trying to get whats his name... |
| 19:50.43 | darth_mall | Kevin Smith? |
| 19:51.21 | Cae | yes |
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| 19:51.44 | darth_mall | that would be cool |
| 19:52.02 | Cae | though that may not be possible since he's vowed not to step foot on campus, thanks to film society's efforts to get him |
| 19:52.29 | Cae | so we're going to send him a video of us and some of our major guests saying we're cool, and package it in balloon llamas |
| 19:53.08 | Cae | though we're not sure if they'll deflate in transit |
| 19:54.16 | Cae | so we're going to send a test package to dallas, with balloon llamas and a box in a box in a box, and there will be a note that says "ok, thanks" |
| 19:54.40 | Cae | I need sugar |
| 19:54.59 | darth_mall | I need to not be sick |
| 19:55.07 | Cae | eat peanut butter |
| 19:56.34 | Cae | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:56.46 | Cae | now in COLOR! |
| 19:58.07 | Cae | hey look, next we're invading Iran |
| 20:02.38 | Cae | I'm coloured! |
| 20:02.47 | TD | yay cross compilers |
| 20:02.51 | Cae | s/olo// |
| 20:03.57 | scanline | woo |
| 20:04.03 | scanline | TD: yay cross compilers indeed |
| 20:04.19 | darth_mall | scanline: woo |
| 20:05.11 | scanline | blah, imagemagick is taking forever to compile |
| 20:05.50 | scanline | hrm |
| 20:05.58 | scanline | I should prolly print this source code in case Bruce wants it |
| 20:06.11 | darth_mall | yay bruce |
| 20:06.36 | Cae | Condoleezza Rice said today that Iran must live up to its international obligations to halt its nuclear program or the next steps are in the offing. "And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," |
| 20:06.41 | Cae | well, that's not blunt. |
| 20:06.53 | darth_mall | lol |
| 20:06.54 | darth_mall | wow |
| 20:07.00 | darth_mall | talk about tasteless and tactless |
| 20:07.22 | Cae | http://www.cnn.com/ she looks kinda evil |
| 20:07.39 | darth_mall | "kinda"? |
| 20:07.45 | Cae | true |
| 20:08.56 | Cae | in other news, a 29 year old and his 18 year old sister killed their mother and grandparents. and then got caught speeding with bloody clothing. |
| 20:09.11 | darth_mall | good lord |
| 20:09.27 | TD | scanline: good for wine test cases too |
| 20:09.31 | TD | mingw+qemu == nice |
| 20:09.41 | pagefault | thats disgusting |
| 20:09.45 | darth_mall | mmmmm... wine testing |
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| 20:13.12 | pagefault | hah lame some guy has a huge NERV sticker on his laptop |
| 20:13.52 | Cae | hmm. wetlands. must go to the wetlands next. at least I have some other quests there.. |
| 20:16.17 | pagefault | great |
| 20:16.31 | pagefault | GPL violation |
| 20:16.36 | pagefault | what do I do when I find one |
| 20:17.17 | kergoth`food | try to work with them |
| 20:17.20 | kergoth`food | privately |
| 20:17.24 | kergoth`food | if they dont cooperate, report to the fsf |
| 20:18.09 | kergoth`food | or report to the copyright holders |
| 20:18.09 | kergoth`food | on the code in question |
| 20:18.09 | pagefault | someone is using zsnes source in a non GPL program |
| 20:18.09 | pagefault | :/ |
| 20:18.42 | kergoth`food | contact them with an official request for source. if they are unwilling to cooperate, advise them of their obligations under the gpl. |
| 20:18.48 | kergoth`food | go from there |
| 20:19.32 | pagefault | yeah |
| 20:19.38 | pagefault | I should point them to the japanese translation of the GPL |
| 20:19.46 | pagefault | since I am unsure of these people's abilities to speak english |
| 20:20.34 | pagefault | oh smooth |
| 20:20.35 | kergoth`food | basically you need to determine if the problem is just their ignorance, or if they're knowingly violating |
| 20:20.40 | pagefault | they have their project hosted on sf.nt |
| 20:20.41 | pagefault | net |
| 20:20.52 | pagefault | hah |
| 20:22.37 | pagefault | http://toriniku.sourceforge.net/http://toriniku.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:24.59 | Cae | yay list of stuff I can make and costs for it |
| 20:25.06 | pagefault | WoW? |
| 20:25.10 | Cae | yeah |
| 20:25.31 | pagefault | yeah me too |
| 20:25.52 | Cae | lvl 23 human paladin, lvl 10 night elf druid, both on Suramar |
| 20:26.01 | pagefault | lvl 41 warlock on durotan here |
| 20:26.04 | Cae | hehe |
| 20:26.11 | pagefault | undead |
| 20:26.14 | Cae | :P |
| 20:26.30 | Cae | so I could sense you. if you were on suramar. and nearby. |
| 20:26.46 | Cae | skinner/leatherworker and miner/blacksmith |
| 20:27.00 | Cae | and Trip's an herbalist/alchemist and something/tailor |
| 20:27.01 | pagefault | nah sense undead doesn't work on players |
| 20:27.03 | pagefault | only npcs |
| 20:27.19 | Cae | heh |
| 20:27.58 | Cae | tonight we're grouping for the deadmines. |
| 20:29.33 | kergoth | gah, how did i become the resident goto guy on toolchains? |
| 20:29.36 | kergoth | how? |
| 20:29.46 | kergoth | oh right, i admitted knowing something |
| 20:29.47 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:29.51 | kergoth | i should know better |
| 20:30.42 | scanline | hooray, three pages microprinted front and back |
| 20:31.07 | kergoth | so, i think i've finally found a job that might be a good fit for me |
| 20:32.05 | pagefault | kergoth, what do I do if they have provided the source but it contains GPL licensed code in it |
| 20:32.10 | pagefault | so I just ask them to remove it? |
| 20:32.27 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 20:32.40 | pagefault | well they are using zsnes code in a non GPL app |
| 20:32.47 | pagefault | but the source is posted |
| 20:32.57 | kergoth | what license is their app under? |
| 20:33.02 | pagefault | custom |
| 20:33.05 | kergoth | here, let me put it this ay. |
| 20:33.05 | pagefault | not compatible |
| 20:33.06 | kergoth | way |
| 20:33.19 | kergoth | the GPL license is the only thing giving them _any_ rights to use or distribute your code. |
| 20:33.47 | kergoth | if they link to GPL code, they're derived from GPL code, which means their app is GPL. if thye dont comply, they no longer have any rights under the GPL to use that code in any way |
| 20:33.53 | kergoth | and can therefore be pursued under copyright law |
| 20:34.11 | pagefault | hmm fun |
| 20:34.20 | kergoth | removing it isnt sufficient. |
| 20:34.24 | kergoth | their code is derived from gpl code |
| 20:34.35 | kergoth | removing it now doesnt change that |
| 20:34.50 | kergoth | of course, as always, IANAL |
| 20:34.55 | kergoth | but that's my understanding. |
| 20:35.06 | pagefault | so what can I do about it? |
| 20:35.18 | kergoth | again, do your best to get them to comply |
| 20:35.23 | kergoth | if they dont, get a lawyer, or contact the FSF. |
| 20:35.25 | pagefault | ok |
| 20:36.39 | pagefault | what pisses me off though is we don't even get any credit in their program for our code |
| 20:36.49 | pagefault | they took it and acted like they wrote it |
| 20:37.05 | scanline | they don't have to give credit under the GPL, but they do have to preserve your copyright |
| 20:37.24 | pagefault | yeah I know but often people do it anyway out of common courtesy |
| 20:37.29 | scanline | yep |
| 20:37.44 | scanline | some people are jerks |
| 20:37.50 | scanline | luckily these are the kind of jerks you can sue |
| 20:38.11 | Cae | hmm. 35 before I can wear plate. |
| 20:39.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 20:39.20 | scanline | I should get some food between now and this meeting |
| 20:41.20 | kergoth | heh, if you want to force them to give you credit in advertising, you'd have to use the original bsd license, which is gpl incompatible |
| 20:47.00 | purple_cow | woof |
| 20:50.29 | zak | purple_cow: are you planning on attending kendra's bday? |
| 20:55.37 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 20:55.47 | purple_cow | prolly not |
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| 20:58.03 | zak | :( |
| 21:00.26 | purple_cow | what's going on for it? |
| 21:02.34 | pagefault | argh |
| 21:02.37 | pagefault | this guy's laptop sucks |
| 21:02.44 | pagefault | it's putting out a crapload of RF interference |
| 21:03.16 | pagefault | wifi signal is low |
| 21:03.19 | pagefault | and my wireless mouse barely works |
| 21:10.04 | purple_cow | hmm, maybe not |
| 21:13.34 | kergoth | anyone know of an inexpensive black & white laser printer with that thing i always forget the name of? (that prints on both sides of the pages) |
| 21:13.43 | kergoth | duplexer, thats right |
| 21:22.01 | scanline | wobble |
| 21:22.23 | purple_cow | hiya scanline |
| 21:22.26 | scanline | hi |
| 21:22.32 | scanline | yay silvermine |
| 21:23.36 | scanline | ooh neat |
| 21:23.50 | scanline | my UI is quite smooth on mozilla too.. as long as the machine is a little faster than my laptop |
| 21:24.17 | TD | i wish i had more memory and a copy of vmware |
| 21:24.20 | TD | qemu is sucking |
| 21:25.03 | purple_cow | TD: so with binreloc, BR_DATADIR will be $(prefix)/share when ENABLE_BINRELOC is off? |
| 21:25.07 | TD | yeah |
| 21:25.09 | TD | should be |
| 21:25.56 | TD | i'm not entirely sure why we use the thread/strcat stuff there |
| 21:26.06 | TD | we could just append them together |
| 21:26.09 | TD | binreloc needs a bit more work i guess |
| 21:27.39 | kergoth | i'd like to write an m4 macro / shell tidbit that looks at all the autoconf paths, and determines if they all have a common prefix, to determine if binreloc should be used, rather than just arbitrarily disabling it if you set the paths on the commandline |
| 21:27.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28.22 | pagefault | hrm |
| 21:28.23 | pagefault | new ati drivers |
| 21:28.27 | pagefault | I wonder if that means linux too |
| 21:30.53 | TD | kergoth: go for it, that'd be cool |
| 21:31.08 | kergoth | awfully low priority though :) |
| 21:31.10 | kergoth | just one of those things |
| 21:31.50 | TD | yeah |
| 21:32.35 | CIA-5 | php2press: 03jeffm2501 * 10php2press2/README: dummy file so cvs dosn't freak |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I have the ROD the TV soundtracks 1 and 2, should I put on navi? |
| 21:47.37 | pagefault | crap |
| 21:47.46 | pagefault | my ubuntu install isn't using x.org for some reason |
| 21:47.47 | pagefault | bleh |
| 21:49.04 | TD | i thought that was right? |
| 21:49.13 | TD | ubuntu doesn't use xorg in warty, no? |
| 21:49.23 | pagefault | i'm using hoary now though |
| 21:49.44 | pagefault | should have been auto upgraded to x.org |
| 21:49.49 | pagefault | I will have to check when I get home |
| 21:51.04 | pagefault | still trying to figure out how to get nvidia's nforce drivers working with it |
| 21:51.50 | ChipX86 | hoary uses xorg |
| 21:52.03 | TD | yeah |
| 21:52.05 | ChipX86 | *sigh* that was my second time ever going to Hunan Garden, and the second time that water got spilled on me |
| 21:52.07 | pagefault | xfree86 doesn't do transparent windows does it? |
| 21:53.34 | TD | nope |
| 21:53.39 | TD | xorg doesn't either, really. not quite yet |
| 21:53.43 | TD | i was playing with it the other day |
| 21:53.48 | TD | not really ready yet. and maybe the wrong approach entirely |
| 21:53.51 | pagefault | hrm |
| 21:53.55 | TD | Xgl+mesa solo might be more interesting |
| 21:53.59 | pagefault | i'll just have to check it when I get home |
| 21:55.53 | pagefault | the ubuntu forums are very helpful at least |
| 21:56.14 | darth_mall | mmmmmmm... Juice Stop |
| 21:57.52 | pagefault | ah well |
| 21:57.56 | pagefault | time to head home |
| 22:15.05 | ChipX86 | hope we're having cake today at our company meeting |
| 22:16.16 | TD | hahaha |
| 22:16.20 | TD | ChipX86: did you see #gnomehackers? |
| 22:16.23 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 22:16.29 | TD | the next ubuntu release is gonna be called "bendy badger" apparently |
| 22:16.44 | TD | they're all embarassed about it, but the millionaire likes it |
| 22:16.59 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 22:17.08 | ChipX86 | great |
| 22:18.35 | samyb | Who's the millionaire BTW? |
| 22:18.51 | kergoth | scanline: are there any docs on the uinput interface? |
| 22:21.25 | CIA-5 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/share/skeletons/@xmlsoft.org/libxslt/skeleton.1: Fix description of XSLT skeleton |
| 22:23.32 | darth_mall | uhoh... trouble outside |
| 22:24.58 | samyb | td? |
| 22:30.05 | TD | wow CIA is lagged |
| 22:30.07 | TD | i did that commit hours ago |
| 22:30.14 | TD | samyb: the african dude |
| 22:30.16 | TD | mark shuttleworth |
| 22:30.45 | samyb | Oh. I thought it could be him. |
| 22:30.47 | samyb | That's cool. |
| 22:30.52 | samyb | We should all be millionares. |
| 22:35.13 | zak | darth_mall: if i had a million dollars, i'd buy you a green dress |
| 22:35.23 | zak | but not a real green dress, that's cruel |
| 22:38.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:38.03 | kergoth | havent heard that song in ages |
| 22:38.15 | ChipX86 | piece of crap gnome canvas |
| 22:38.35 | darth_mall | ChipX86: it's ok, I still love you |
| 22:38.47 | TD | hey |
| 22:38.52 | TD | something that works perfectly in wine |
| 22:38.56 | TD | i almost forgot what that was like |
| 22:39.21 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 22:39.49 | TD | luis was saying that opening PowerPoint files on his live cd took ages |
| 22:39.51 | TD | because OO is so big and slow |
| 22:39.58 | TD | the powerpoint 97 viewer works perfectly however |
| 22:40.01 | TD | like, no flaws at all |
| 22:40.15 | TD | but it's too late for him to put wine on the cd. ah well. |
| 22:40.27 | TD | i only ever see the apps that *don't* work, it's easy to forget that there are lots of people using apps that do |
| 22:40.28 | darth_mall | mooooooooooooo |
| 22:41.15 | TD | ChipX86_: http://tieguy.org/screenshots/lwe-livecd.png |
| 22:41.31 | darth_mall | raise your hand if you love ChipX86 |
| 22:42.10 | ChipX86 | TD: neat |
| 22:42.30 | ChipX86 | I hate gnome canvas :( |
| 22:42.33 | ChipX86 | it's really quite sucky |
| 22:42.35 | TD | :( |
| 22:42.39 | TD | then use something better |
| 22:42.40 | TD | evas? |
| 22:42.44 | ChipX86 | I don't get a choice |
| 22:42.50 | ChipX86 | and deadline is tomorrow |
| 22:42.50 | TD | oh? |
| 22:42.53 | TD | suck |
| 22:43.17 | CIA-5 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ (ChangeLog libexec/libuau.so.3.0.0 share/apkg-script-utils): |
| 22:43.17 | CIA-5 | autopackage: * share/apkg-script-utils: Don't return if the binary cannot be linked in installExe() |
| 22:43.17 | CIA-5 | autopackage: * share/apkg-script-utils: Remove the deprecated installBin() alias |
| 22:43.25 | TD | that is *lagged* |
| 22:43.36 | ChipX86 | only if you believe it to be so! |
| 22:44.14 | TD | hmm, i wonder how to get files in/out of this win98 vm more easily |
| 22:44.26 | ChipX86 | VMware? |
| 22:44.37 | TD | qemu |
| 22:44.39 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 22:44.42 | TD | i should buy vmware |
| 22:44.47 | ChipX86 | can't help you then. We make it easy |
| 22:44.50 | TD | but it's expensive. |
| 22:44.51 | ChipX86 | we just share drives |
| 22:44.53 | TD | how does vmware do it? |
| 22:45.01 | ChipX86 | and if you have a windows guest and host, you just drag and drop the files |
| 22:45.03 | TD | ah, yeah. well i can mount the win98 fat drive |
| 22:45.08 | ToyKeeper | TD: can you smbmount the win98 fs? |
| 22:45.09 | TD | but i have to reboot it before it'll notice the changes |
| 22:45.12 | ChipX86 | I can get you vmware for $50 |
| 22:45.15 | ToyKeeper | Er, heh. |
| 22:45.17 | ChipX86 | you can use the beta right now |
| 22:45.17 | TD | yes i could probably use smb |
| 22:45.19 | TD | ChipX86_: realy? |
| 22:45.21 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:45.24 | TD | ChipX86: yes i'd easily pay $50 for it |
| 22:45.27 | ChipX86 | friends and family discount |
| 22:45.29 | ChipX86 | wait for WS5 though |
| 22:45.33 | TD | sure |
| 22:45.34 | TD | done :) |
| 22:45.35 | TD | thanks |
| 22:45.53 | ChipX86 | grab the beta from http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/ |
| 22:45.57 | ChipX86 | it's fully functional |
| 22:46.12 | darth_mall | and anatomically correct? |
| 22:46.28 | ToyKeeper | With 18 points of articulation! |
| 22:46.29 | ChipX86 | of course |
| 22:47.28 | TD | now? |
| 22:47.33 | ChipX86 | sure |
| 22:47.40 | ChipX86 | we make them public |
| 22:48.50 | TD | the "what is your host OS" field needs more general options :) |
| 22:49.06 | TD | haha |
| 22:49.11 | TD | there is no option for "256mb of ram" |
| 22:49.14 | TD | i wonder if that's a subtle hint |
| 22:49.19 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 22:49.22 | ChipX86 | should still run fine |
| 22:49.31 | ChipX86 | the web stuff isn't my department :) |
| 22:50.55 | TD | cool, thanks |
| 22:51.11 | ChipX86 | a new one will be out in a couple of days, but RC1 works fine |
| 22:51.22 | ChipX86 | RC2 rocks |
| 22:51.36 | darth_mall | moo? |
| 22:52.56 | TD | spiffy |
| 22:53.09 | TD | does RC1 have your new gtk work? |
| 22:53.12 | samyb | darth_mall is a millionare? |
| 22:53.21 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:53.24 | ChipX86 | not my new svg code though |
| 22:53.43 | samyb | darth_mall lies. |
| 22:53.58 | samyb | I'm useless now. Night people |
| 22:54.01 | CIA-5 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ChangeLog: Remove conflict markers |
| 22:54.14 | TD | ChipX86: when rc2 comes out let me know :) |
| 22:54.26 | ChipX86 | nod. We don't make a ton of noise about it |
| 22:54.35 | ChipX86 | the first few betas are for friends and family only, then we make them public |
| 22:54.49 | TD | ok |
| 22:55.27 | TD | right now it's the no-op WM_PAINT behaviour |
| 22:55.37 | TD | i smell nasty appcompat hacks in windows around this place |
| 22:55.53 | TD | normally you can't leave off BeginPaint/EndPaint in your paint handler. if you do windows and wine loop forever |
| 22:55.57 | TD | except some apps do leave it out |
| 22:56.00 | TD | and don't loop on windows |
| 22:56.14 | TD | how do they get away with it? *frustration* |
| 22:56.59 | ChipX86 | jelly |
| 22:58.44 | TD | i asked raymond chen |
| 22:58.46 | TD | anonymously |
| 22:58.54 | TD | i doubt he'll answer or blog on it but i'm a bit desperate |
| 22:59.03 | TD | annoyingly this used to work until julliard removed it on the grounds that it wasn't necessary |
| 22:59.15 | TD | and it turned out it was. so now a bunch of apps have regressed and he shows no signs of reverting the patch |
| 22:59.17 | TD | <s]igh> |
| 22:59.24 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 22:59.31 | ChipX86 | you should throw more ducks at him |
| 23:01.17 | TD | indeed |
| 23:01.19 | TD | or get him to fix it |
| 23:01.23 | zak | oop |
| 23:01.24 | zak | s |
| 23:01.32 | zak | i hate it when i forget i have clss. |
| 23:13.45 | TD | ChipX86: so when does vmware-config.pl go GTK? |
| 23:14.46 | ChipX86 | hopefully WS6 |
| 23:14.53 | ChipX86 | we all want htat, but nobody's had time, and it's a bit of work |
| 23:14.59 | ChipX86 | it's one of our big complaints |
| 23:15.02 | TD | heh |
| 23:15.11 | TD | well, you are lucky |
| 23:15.15 | TD | we are still stuck with tcl/tk <puke> |
| 23:15.19 | purple_cow | eww |
| 23:15.21 | TD | we can't really justify rewriting it all |
| 23:15.22 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 23:15.29 | TD | woooo, pretty! |
| 23:15.59 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/source/outside/graph/temperature:week |
| 23:16.02 | scanline | yay colorado weather :P |
| 23:17.05 | purple_cow | :) |
| 23:18.51 | purple_cow | yipes, no colorgcc on kirby |
| 23:19.45 | scanline | bleh |
| 23:19.48 | scanline | neeeeeed cofffeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:20.19 | TD | ChipX86: is it possible to use an ISO i already have setup? |
| 23:20.24 | TD | or does it need to be a vmware disk image file? |
| 23:20.47 | scanline | TD: when you add a CD-ROM device it can be a real one or an iso |
| 23:21.09 | TD | yeah, i meant a hard disk isp |
| 23:21.10 | TD | iso |
| 23:21.15 | TD | qemu uses them as its hard disks ... |
| 23:21.18 | scanline | you have an iso9660 hard disk? |
| 23:21.42 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 23:21.55 | purple_cow | undefined references to br_strcat when i try to use BR_DATADIR with --disable-binreloc |
| 23:22.03 | ChipX86 | TD: you can use isos for harddrives and CD-ROM drives |
| 23:22.33 | scanline | damn you ghex |
| 23:22.35 | TD | scanline: i really mean "disk image" :) |
| 23:22.35 | scanline | micah@yoshi ~/vmware/win2000Pro $ ghex win2000Pro-s001.vmdk |
| 23:22.35 | scanline | GLib-ERROR **: could not allocate 2137129060 bytes |
| 23:22.42 | TD | scanline: hahaha. been there done that |
| 23:22.50 | TD | scanline: the best gui hex editor i found was a mono based one |
| 23:22.53 | TD | bless |
| 23:22.54 | scanline | ah |
| 23:22.59 | TD | kinda primitive though |
| 23:23.02 | kergoth | bah, you and your silly guis |
| 23:23.09 | scanline | I really thought ghex didnt' load it all into ram, but maybe it was just fast enough about it that I never noticed |
| 23:23.18 | scanline | hmm, bvi |
| 23:23.31 | kergoth | hex editor with a vi interface and keybindings |
| 23:23.33 | kergoth | works well |
| 23:23.44 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/ <-- oooh creepy |
| 23:23.48 | scanline | GGI on the most active projects |
| 23:24.04 | TD | ChipX86: this is a really nice piece of work |
| 23:24.05 | scanline | haha |
| 23:24.07 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 23:24.09 | TD | you guys should be proud of yourselves |
| 23:24.11 | scanline | fixing GGI bugs on Hurd |
| 23:24.13 | ChipX86 | we try to polish whenever we can |
| 23:24.14 | TD | it's basically what native software should look like |
| 23:24.51 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:25.05 | ChipX86 | you know my favorite piece of code I wrote? |
| 23:25.15 | scanline | now vmware needs some really creepy video driver to do rootless mode |
| 23:25.16 | ChipX86 | go and add a folder to your favorites list |
| 23:25.53 | scanline | kergoth: damn you! |
| 23:25.55 | scanline | micah@yoshi ~/vmware/win2000Pro $ bvi win2000Pro-s001.vmdk |
| 23:25.55 | scanline | Out of memory |
| 23:25.56 | TD | oooh |
| 23:26.04 | ChipX86 | go ahead and switch themes a few times ;) |
| 23:26.41 | scanline | can't they write an editor that doesn't load the entire file into RAM? |
| 23:26.41 | ChipX86 | it's unpossible! |
| 23:26.41 | TD | stock artwork? |
| 23:26.41 | TD | scanline: bless doesn't |
| 23:26.41 | TD | that's about the only thing it has to recommend it mind you |
| 23:26.41 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:26.50 | ChipX86 | TD: we use the icontheme stuff whenever possible |
| 23:26.54 | ChipX86 | we also use the gnome default browser when in gnome |
| 23:27.06 | ChipX86 | my little additions |
| 23:27.20 | TD | nice |
| 23:27.24 | TD | hmm |
| 23:27.27 | TD | i can't make it boot from the CD |
| 23:27.30 | TD | strange .. |
| 23:27.31 | TD | oh, i know why |
| 23:28.28 | TD | windows 98 isn't a bootable cd |
| 23:28.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:28.46 | TD | you know, i'd love to make dreamweaver/flash feel as native as this one day |
| 23:28.49 | scanline | yay, something I can use for hex editing AVI files and disk images |
| 23:28.50 | TD | but i bet it won't happen |
| 23:28.53 | kergoth | scanline: haha |
| 23:29.27 | kergoth | i'm sure there are vim and emacs plugins for hex editing |
| 23:29.30 | kergoth | havent played with any myself |
| 23:29.34 | scanline | ooh, verilog code |
| 23:29.51 | ChipX86 | TD: you should see the new SVG support I added :D |
| 23:29.53 | ChipX86 | tis sexy |
| 23:29.57 | scanline | and german cygwin docs! |
| 23:30.04 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:30.06 | TD | ChipX86: for icons? |
| 23:30.33 | ChipX86 | in the Snapshot Manager dialog |
| 23:30.33 | ChipX86 | so if you go in there and zoom in a bit, right now it's all pixely |
| 23:30.36 | ChipX86 | but in my build, they're smooth SVG icons that I made |
| 23:31.14 | TD | oh cool |
| 23:31.15 | TD | interesting |
| 23:31.20 | TD | i don't really understand what the snapshot manager does |
| 23:31.22 | TD | but it looks nice :) |
| 23:31.34 | TD | make it zoom based on the mousewheel too |
| 23:31.35 | ChipX86 | it's an ugly dialog that lets you manage snapshots, which are frozen points in time of your vm |
| 23:31.36 | TD | :) |
| 23:31.41 | TD | ahh |
| 23:31.56 | ChipX86 | someone here at work runs his game emulator in a VM and then snapshots the VM because his emulator doesn't have save state ;) |
| 23:32.02 | ChipX86 | it's sick |
| 23:32.16 | pfault | haha |
| 23:32.18 | pfault | thats stupid |
| 23:33.30 | TD | it says "Windows Setup requires 7340032 bytes avai" and the message is chopped off |
| 23:33.30 | TD | hmm |
| 23:33.39 | ChipX86 | weird |
| 23:35.07 | TD | dunno what happened then but it totally crushed my box |
| 23:35.14 | ChipX86 | that's bizarre |
| 23:35.17 | TD | everything slowed down, even the cpu monitor and mouse |
| 23:35.20 | TD | yeah |
| 23:35.31 | scanline | mmmmmaybe |
| 23:35.55 | ChipX86 | you need to set the coffee machine up to work with usb |
| 23:36.00 | ChipX86 | broadcast status across the network |
| 23:36.18 | scanline | could put a therm on it :P |
| 23:36.29 | scanline | or a camera hooked up to warzok |
| 23:37.10 | ChipX86 | but hten you can't control it remotely |
| 23:37.16 | TD | yay there we go |
| 23:37.21 | TD | formatting the partition first helps |
| 23:37.23 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:37.23 | scanline | chipX86: no, this is a read/write camera |
| 23:37.30 | ChipX86 | scanline: oh! |
| 23:38.19 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6785 10fyre/ (4 files in 2 dirs): install the .fa icon where it needs to go for XDG-compliant icon themeing |
| 23:39.02 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 23:39.14 | purple_cow | oh? |
| 23:39.40 | scanline | well, the quality of the image is related to the number of distinct histogram levels we have over the range we map into the final image |
| 23:40.04 | scanline | so we make a bitfield with one bit for each entry in the color table |
| 23:40.14 | scanline | and set it every time that color table entry gets used |
| 23:40.19 | scanline | then count the number of zero bits |
| 23:40.41 | scanline | divide that by the size of the color table |
| 23:40.56 | scanline | that number should approach zero as the image gets better |
| 23:41.09 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 23:41.11 | pagefault | found out why my 3d didn't work heh |
| 23:41.16 | scanline | It's bounded in [0,1], however, it won't be monotonic necessarily |
| 23:41.21 | pagefault | I updated the old xfree86 conf file not the xorg one heh |
| 23:42.18 | purple_cow | scanline: i'm not sure that works... |
| 23:42.24 | purple_cow | but feel free to try |
| 23:42.28 | scanline | :) |
| 23:42.40 | ChipX86 | hope there's cake at this thing |
| 23:42.46 | ChipX86 | they haven't given us cake in almost two weeks |
| 23:42.59 | kergoth | vmware is gonna make you all fat |
| 23:43.02 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3144.1.1 10openembedded/ (classes/base.bbclass conf/bitbake.conf): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:43.02 | CIA-5 | openembedded: - At the beginning of a build, display an 'OE Build Configuration', |
| 23:43.02 | CIA-5 | openembedded: showing some important variables and their values, to make it easy |
| 23:43.02 | CIA-5 | openembedded: to spot an incorrect setup. |
| 23:43.02 | CIA-5 | openembedded: - Change the default TARGET_ARCH and TARGET_OS to no longer be the BUILD |
| 23:43.04 | CIA-5 | openembedded: versions. It used to make sense, given the primary configuration file |
| 23:43.06 | CIA-5 | openembedded: resided in the core. Now that its in our metadata, we can change that, |
| 23:43.10 | ChipX86 | kergoth: yeah |
| 23:43.16 | ChipX86 | at least we have that DDR |
| 23:43.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:43.35 | TD | darn it |
| 23:43.43 | TD | raymond consigned my question to the suggestion box |
| 23:43.53 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 23:44.24 | purple_cow | scanline: is there anything i need to do for build/ now that i've renamed the mimetype icon in data/ ? |
| 23:44.48 | scanline | purple_cow: shoudln't be, the windows icon for that is a .ico file in src |
| 23:44.58 | scanline | it gets compiled into the .exe |
| 23:45.15 | purple_cow | k |
| 23:45.33 | kergoth | tim riker is losing his job :\ |
| 23:45.34 | scanline | hah. the color table size itself is probably a better metric than peak density |
| 23:45.36 | purple_cow | TD: any clue about my binreloc woes? |
| 23:45.37 | kergoth | they chose nucleus instead of linux |
| 23:45.39 | scanline | kergoth: =( |
| 23:46.17 | TD | purple_cow: sorry, which woes? |
| 23:46.36 | scanline | purple_cow: I found it interesting that Electric Sheep's quality metric is average samples per pixel |
| 23:46.46 | purple_cow | TD: if i use BR_DATADIR and --disable-binreloc, i get a bunch of errors about undefined reference to br_strcat, etc |
| 23:47.05 | TD | purple_cow: ah, you may need to resync prefix.[ch] from cvs |
| 23:47.09 | TD | iirc it's fixed there |
| 23:47.14 | TD | just a stupid thinko in the header |
| 23:47.58 | TD | purple_cow: we have a viewcvs thingy |
| 23:48.00 | TD | so you can use wget |
| 23:49.01 | *** join/#tacobeam KSoze (~mgazic@66.208.146.114) |
| 23:49.49 | purple_cow | TD: url? |
| 23:50.21 | ChipX86 | yay, closed three bugs with this one |
| 23:50.39 | TD | firefox crashed |
| 23:50.40 | TD | again |
| 23:50.51 | TD | IE on linux is more stable than this POS |
| 23:50.51 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3166.2.1 10openembedded/site/ (armeb-linux armeb-linux-uclibc arm-linux arm-linux-uclibc): Add some test results to the arm*-linux* site files for ipsec-tools. |
| 23:50.58 | TD | purple_cow: just a sec |
| 23:51.06 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 23:51.12 | scanline | actually, I like this color table size qutie a bit |
| 23:51.30 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3175 10openembedded/packages/uclibc/uclibc-0.9.27/armeb/uClibc.config: Fix the armeb defconfig for uclibc 0.9.27. |
| 23:51.32 | scanline | it's protected against hotspots that make the peak density just explode |
| 23:51.44 | *** join/#tacobeam KSoze (~mgazic@66.208.146.114) |
| 23:51.47 | TD | purple_cow: http://cvs.sunsite.dk/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/autopackage/binreloc/prefix.h?rev=1.11 |
| 23:51.52 | scanline | on most images, the number of colors actually in use is pretty close to the table size |
| 23:51.53 | TD | that should be plain text |
| 23:51.54 | TD | and |
| 23:52.11 | scanline | and on fixed points, the color table size keeps increasing at a reasonable rate while the in use count stays tiny |
| 23:52.12 | TD | http://cvs.sunsite.dk/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/autopackage/binreloc/prefix.c?rev=1.15 |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3176 10openembedded/packages/gaim/gaim.inc: Add virtual/libintl to the gaim DEPENDS. |
| 23:52.54 | ChipX86 | bbl |
| 23:53.20 | TD | purple_cow: btw i'm working on fyre relocability too |
| 23:53.23 | TD | particularly w.r.t icon theming |
| 23:53.47 | *** join/#tacobeam KSoze (~mgazic@66.208.146.114) |
| 23:54.34 | TD | purple_cow: i think the sedding should no longer be necessary on the .desktop files, right? |
| 23:55.33 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3177 10openembedded/packages/rpm/ (rpm_4.4.bb files/fix_mypath.patch files/cross_libpaths.patch): |
| 23:55.33 | CIA-5 | openembedded: Update the rpm 4.4 build. Fixed the biggest issues with its crosscompilation. |
| 23:55.33 | CIA-5 | openembedded: Now it's stuck building its internal copy of 'file', as that build tries to run |
| 23:55.33 | CIA-5 | openembedded: the file binary it builds. Need to either make it use an external libmagic, or |
| 23:55.33 | CIA-5 | openembedded: depend on file-native and use that file binary in the local file build. |
| 23:55.34 | KSoze | what's the right way to get your registered nick if someone is using it? |
| 23:55.39 | purple_cow | TD: hmm. i suppose if we install the icons into hicolor/48x48/apps... |
| 23:55.55 | TD | KSoze: ghost them |
| 23:56.09 | KSoze | and then before i can change my nick, he's got it again |
| 23:56.30 | KSoze | and if i change my nick too soon, i get killed because of a nick collision |
| 23:56.52 | KSoze | i don't understand how he can connect so much quicker than me after getting killed |
| 23:57.12 | kergoth | KSoze: look into the 'recover' and 'release' functions of nickserv. |
| 23:57.12 | kergoth | you can have it hold control of it, and relinquish it only when you choose to |
| 23:57.40 | KSoze | i've read those help pages dozens of times |
| 23:57.46 | KSoze | maybe i'm just really really dumb |
| 23:58.31 | purple_cow | aha, silly us, weren't compiling prefix.c when binreloc was off |
| 23:58.34 | kergoth | you can also enable automatic kill protection |
| 23:58.36 | KSoze | i do a msg nickserv recover keysersoze, it kills him, and then he reconnects before i change my nick |
| 23:58.38 | kergoth | do a help on 'set' in nickserv |
| 23:58.51 | scanline | er |
| 23:59.06 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6786 10fyre/src/ (7 files): well, making progress. still getting undefined references to br_thread stuff with --disable-binreloc |
| 23:59.06 | scanline | purple_cow: make sure that doesn't require mmap()... I had to disable binreloc on windows |
