| 00:00.05 | ToyKeeper | I saw a gonk! |
| 00:00.05 | ToyKeeper | It was doin' just like this... |
| 00:00.13 | gonkulator | heh |
| 00:00.26 | gonkulator | what do I do? |
| 00:00.45 | ToyKeeper | Something... just... HORRIBLE. |
| 00:01.16 | ToyKeeper | Words fail to encompass the terror. |
| 00:02.09 | gonkulator | oh, and I haven't punned around you as much as I have some |
| 00:02.27 | scanline | purple_cow: I had a bunch of fyre feature ideas during class :( |
| 00:02.32 | purple_cow | scanline: shoot |
| 00:02.37 | scanline | purple_cow: but they're all simple things that should get into 1.0 no-problem |
| 00:02.48 | scanline | - Cluster autodetection (UDP broadcast) |
| 00:02.48 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.48 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.48 | scanline | - No-detach and verbose cluster mode (show clients, show render status) |
| 00:02.48 | scanline | - Remote control of GUI |
| 00:03.06 | kergoth_ | yay! home |
| 00:03.11 | scanline | I guess I'd already planned on doing GUI remote control, but I wanted to make sure to remind myself |
| 00:03.19 | scanline | and I have fixing the win32 build on that list... |
| 00:03.23 | scanline | (list of stuff to do tonight ;) |
| 00:03.44 | scanline | I think cluster detection with a UDP broadcast will be really necessary to use clusters in most windows environments |
| 00:04.10 | scanline | and it'd be cool to show status on the rendering nodes, since you can't just daemonize them under windows and I really don't feel like adding a systray doodad |
| 00:04.13 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:04.38 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6668 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Teleporter.py Types.py): start adding a teleporter object. right now this just renders the teleporter field, but that's probably good enough for now |
| 00:05.45 | pagefault | this may sound rediculous |
| 00:05.49 | pagefault | but does this sound workable |
| 00:05.54 | pagefault | tunneling UDP over TCP |
| 00:05.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6669 10bzedit/ (11 files in 2 dirs): make a 'tests' directory and put all the bzw files in there |
| 00:06.02 | pagefault | because this network I need to use filters out UDP |
| 00:06.29 | scanline | <CIA-5> navi-misc: jupiter * r6666 xchat-gnome/plugins/url_scraper/urlscraper.c: update our implementation of xchat_plugin_get_info |
| 00:06.32 | scanline | we had a r6666 :) |
| 00:06.33 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6670 10bzedit/tests/ (decks decks.bzw dinner4six.bzw): add d46 and rename decks |
| 00:06.39 | purple_cow | scanline: yep |
| 00:06.56 | scanline | it'll be a while until the next palindrome :( |
| 00:07.16 | scanline | 6776, isn't it? |
| 00:07.52 | purple_cow | sounds right |
| 00:09.17 | kergoth_ | mmm, apple. i dont eat enough fruit |
| 00:09.48 | ToyKeeper | I was all happy about r6667 earlier. |
| 00:10.12 | ToyKeeper | Just an ironic revision to announce over IRC. :) |
| 00:10.39 | scanline | hah |
| 00:11.06 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:11.14 | purple_cow | yoshi is really having troubles with this dvd =( |
| 00:16.49 | purple_cow | urgh |
| 00:17.06 | purple_cow | scanline: wtf did you do to these dvds in this section? |
| 00:17.25 | purple_cow | scanline: i hope you remember having lots of verification errors around this anime stuff |
| 00:17.30 | scanline | heh |
| 00:18.47 | purple_cow | look at gungrave for me? |
| 00:18.53 | purple_cow | see if it's all splodey? |
| 00:19.16 | purple_cow | 20041103_194550.navi.media.video.anime. |
| 00:20.04 | scanline | erg |
| 00:20.16 | pagefault | torrents are spiffy |
| 00:20.18 | purple_cow | heh |
| 00:20.34 | purple_cow | ooh, gunslinger girl |
| 00:22.28 | scanline | purple_cow: I don't have them in my invalidation cache, but I do remember finding some really awful discs in the anime backups originally. IIRC this was before it could mark individual files, and I ended up reburning entire discs |
| 00:23.26 | pagefault | <Diablo-D3> Celsius: rm -rf / zsnes as root |
| 00:23.34 | pagefault | <Celsius> and Diablo-D3 that command didnt work |
| 00:23.37 | pagefault | :/ |
| 00:23.58 | kergoth_ | heh. |
| 00:25.50 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah, I don't have any record of having read a validation record for that disc, which probably means that I removed the whole thing |
| 00:26.09 | purple_cow | mmmk |
| 00:26.34 | purple_cow | so, i'm guessing i should switch to writing to /navi once i hit the incrementals? |
| 00:26.53 | scanline | hmm? |
| 00:27.02 | purple_cow | well, at some point we'll start getting duplicate files |
| 00:27.05 | scanline | ah |
| 00:27.06 | scanline | right |
| 00:27.31 | scanline | so just for future reference: |
| 00:27.33 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/navi-backup/ |
| 00:27.53 | scanline | that's extracted from my cache with some python hackery |
| 00:28.23 | scanline | I'm a little surprised how short the invalidation list is |
| 00:28.31 | scanline | I guess I just discarded the discs with huge numbers of errors |
| 00:29.01 | scanline | that also means that any disc not in the catalogs-scanned list doesn't need to be restored |
| 00:29.39 | scanline | k |
| 00:29.42 | scanline | couldn't hurt |
| 00:29.53 | scanline | but if you start to get a ton of verification errors, only panic if it's on that list :) |
| 00:29.55 | purple_cow | did you ever come up with something for finding moved files? |
| 00:30.01 | pagefault | Ext2Fsd is an open source Ext2 file system driver for Windows (NT/2K/XP). "Explorer" your linux ext2 volumes with ease under windows systems. |
| 00:30.04 | pagefault | cool I just found about that now |
| 00:30.13 | scanline | purple_cow: nope. we didn't have that many, so it shouldn't be hard to do by hand |
| 00:30.24 | purple_cow | oof |
| 00:30.30 | scanline | purple_cow: at some point I did back up a full "ls -R" style listing, so we could use that |
| 00:30.38 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:30.49 | scanline | I forget how recent that was though |
| 00:31.15 | scanline | :) |
| 00:31.30 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:31.36 | scanline | is it save to resume automatic backups into /navi? |
| 00:31.50 | purple_cow | hmm, dunno yet ;) |
| 00:31.55 | scanline | k |
| 00:32.14 | scanline | right now my CIA and svn backups are disabled :P |
| 00:32.37 | ChipX86 | noooo, not the backups! |
| 00:33.35 | kergoth_ | heh, couldnt get firefox to print the way i wanted |
| 00:33.37 | kergoth_ | printed a .ps |
| 00:33.41 | kergoth_ | used pstoedit to convert to svg |
| 00:33.44 | kergoth_ | then rotated it in inkscape |
| 00:33.45 | scanline | purple_cow: well, I seem to have created a /navi/backups/cia directory just fine |
| 00:34.13 | purple_cow | scanline: i know that writing to it works, i'm just not sure about how we're going to deal with all the complexity that the stacking introduces |
| 00:34.32 | scanline | purple_cow: shouldn't matter for the backups, it never modifies files- only creates new ones |
| 00:34.47 | purple_cow | looks like it created backups/cia on 00. you may want to move that to another disk |
| 00:35.07 | scanline | hmm, if the directory is on that disk it will put all files there? |
| 00:35.11 | purple_cow | yes |
| 00:35.13 | scanline | k |
| 00:35.50 | scanline | hah, perms are a little weird... I can't rmdir /navi/backups/cia even though it's owned by me |
| 00:36.31 | scanline | can't even remove /mnt/navi/00/backups/cia |
| 00:36.41 | purple_cow | scanline: i'd suggest mkdir /mnt/navi/09/backups, moving cia there from 00 and umount/mount /navi |
| 00:37.07 | scanline | why umount/mount navi? |
| 00:37.29 | purple_cow | because it won't dynamically merge branches when new directories are created in a branch |
| 00:37.39 | purple_cow | it only seems to do that on mount |
| 00:37.41 | scanline | ah |
| 00:37.55 | scanline | why did it create the directory on 00 in the first place? |
| 00:38.06 | purple_cow | because 00 is the only drive with /backups |
| 00:38.09 | scanline | ah |
| 00:38.14 | scanline | ok |
| 01:03.17 | scanline | cereal + milk + head |
| 01:03.30 | Sophie_ | get head or give head? |
| 01:03.39 | scanline | on head |
| 01:03.56 | Sophie_ | oh. That's a slightly weirder. |
| 01:04.06 | Sophie_ | or isn't it? |
| 01:04.08 | scanline | is it? |
| 01:04.52 | Sophie_ | it's times like these I kinda wish we had cable TV. |
| 01:04.59 | scanline | purple_cow: bleh. there's nothing in the driver or unionctl source for reordering dynamically. It also doesn't seem to check for duplicates in --add... |
| 01:05.40 | TD | cable TV does not solve indecisiveness |
| 01:05.50 | TD | in fact psychologists have scientifically proven that it makes it worse |
| 01:05.56 | TD | because there are so many channels to choose from. |
| 01:06.21 | Sophie_ | well, that at least gives my indecision an outlet |
| 01:06.37 | kergoth_ | probably makes you feel better though. you're making lots of decisions.. i'll watch this.. i'll watch that.. |
| 01:06.45 | kergoth_ | bleh |
| 01:06.45 | kergoth_ | bored |
| 01:06.50 | TD | yay |
| 01:06.54 | purple_cow | scanline: not terribly surprising |
| 01:06.55 | TD | lotus notes installs using builtin msi now |
| 01:07.09 | Sophie_ | heh. Has anyone tried any of the ADD medications? |
| 01:07.24 | purple_cow | scanline: i say we keep ~5G free on each disk for some breathing room within the branches, fill out empty directory structures and swap priorities around when necessary |
| 01:07.34 | scanline | purple_cow: k |
| 01:07.46 | scanline | purple_cow: it'd be nice if there was a better way, but I guess I'm not really in the mood to patch unionfs yet |
| 01:07.55 | purple_cow | we'll still need to do manual maintenance every so often, but it ought to work ok |
| 01:08.13 | kergoth_ | i think we should write something vaguely fstabish for maintaining unions |
| 01:08.20 | kergoth_ | and some handy tools that make use of it |
| 01:08.26 | purple_cow | kergoth_: that'd be neat :) |
| 01:08.33 | scanline | kergoth_: right now the kernel module itself needs better tools for maintaining them |
| 01:08.42 | scanline | like an IOCTL to change priorities without adding/removing :) |
| 01:09.11 | scanline | nahh |
| 01:09.14 | kergoth_ | scanline: nod. that would be extremely nice |
| 01:09.23 | kergoth_ | i think they're busy making it not break though |
| 01:09.29 | kergoth_ | and actually work when exported over nfs |
| 01:09.31 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 01:09.32 | purple_cow | that'd be neat too |
| 01:09.49 | scanline | eep |
| 01:09.50 | kergoth_ | i was going to rework its whiteout/file removal handling |
| 01:09.55 | kergoth_ | since the current methodology sucks |
| 01:10.03 | kergoth_ | but i havent gotten around to learning the block layer very well |
| 01:10.05 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 01:11.05 | kergoth_ | place a ramdisk and flash in a union. ramdisk has higher priority. remove a file from the union that exists in the read only flash. it creates a hidden file that "whites out" the one in flash to hide it |
| 01:11.32 | CIA-5 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com> * 10/: |
| 01:11.32 | CIA-5 | winehq: MSI: Correctly ensure properties set from resolved directory paths |
| 01:11.32 | CIA-5 | winehq: are backslash terminated |
| 01:12.22 | *** topic/#tacobeam by scanline -> Thank you for not sneezing. |
| 01:12.27 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 01:12.30 | kergoth | place flash and a ramdisk in a union. ramdisk has higher priority. flash is read only. |
| 01:12.35 | kergoth | remove a file from the union that xists in flash |
| 01:12.39 | purple_cow | kergoth: :) |
| 01:12.45 | kergoth | it adds a hidden file to the ramdisk to "white out" the one in flash |
| 01:12.50 | kergoth | by _filename_ |
| 01:12.54 | purple_cow | eww |
| 01:12.55 | kergoth | not inode |
| 01:13.03 | kergoth | all sorts of oddball consequences of that |
| 01:13.07 | scanline | ha |
| 01:13.08 | kergoth | like if you remove the file you were whiting out, and add a new one |
| 01:13.13 | kergoth | the new one is whited out still |
| 01:13.20 | kergoth | which is just bad |
| 01:13.22 | kergoth | :) |
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| 01:22.58 | Sophie_ | has anybody tried vsftpd? |
| 01:23.10 | file[laptop] | I think one of my boxes uses it... |
| 01:23.18 | Sophie_ | s'good? |
| 01:23.22 | file[laptop] | then again, I've never had any problems with any of my ftp daemons |
| 01:23.40 | Sophie_ | hm. |
| 01:25.28 | file[laptop] | yeah, neutrino uses it... |
| 01:25.33 | file[laptop] | have had 0 problems |
| 01:26.15 | Sophie_ | okay, I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:27.47 | purple_cow | urgh |
| 01:27.52 | purple_cow | lots of apaches in uninterruptable sleep |
| 01:28.01 | scanline | bleh |
| 01:28.25 | scanline | wow, lookit all those zombie rrdtools |
| 01:31.20 | purple_cow | scanline: i don't think having an empty directory structure is really a big deal. we only need the top-level directories - video/series, video/movies, etc |
| 01:31.29 | scanline | ah |
| 01:31.37 | scanline | that's better than I thought |
| 01:31.53 | purple_cow | it's unlikely that we'll be adding to existing directories with anything except music |
| 01:31.56 | purple_cow | and that's on it's own disk for nwo |
| 01:32.12 | scanline | did you already clean up after my experiment, or did I lose it? |
| 01:32.16 | purple_cow | i cleaned up |
| 01:32.19 | scanline | k |
| 01:32.59 | purple_cow | hmm, i should finish eating and change |
| 01:33.22 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:33.37 | purple_cow | i suppose we should have images, etc in their own disk as well |
| 01:33.45 | purple_cow | err, nevermind |
| 01:33.54 | purple_cow | we can fill out directory structures for that |
| 01:37.31 | kergoth | 19:35 < halley> If anyone has a PS2, I recommend Katamari Damashii. I'm not into drugs, but it's clear the designers |
| 01:37.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.24 | purple_cow | =D |
| 01:39.26 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:41.13 | kergoth | okay, i've got these tables in sqlite, any number of them. the content is essentially variable=value. the same var may be set in multiple tables, and there's a priority order / scope that defines which one i want. is there a way to get the var's value, from the highest priority table taht its set in, in sql syntax? |
| 01:41.18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:41.44 | purple_cow | i see my mother in my face, but only when i travel, i run as fast as i can run, but jack comes tumbling after |
| 01:42.06 | scanline | kergoth: you could probably whip up a join that would do it, but are you sure you want these in separate tables? |
| 01:42.36 | purple_cow | yay, freshly laundered shirt |
| 01:43.06 | kergoth | single table would work as well. same question applies, really. the priorities arent static, since its just scope, which varies on each file |
| 01:43.20 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:43.49 | scanline | my first inclination would be to have one big table with key, value, scope.. then a smaller (possibly in RAM only) table with scope, priority for that particular instance |
| 01:44.05 | scanline | then you join the two tables on scope, order by priorities, and limit to 1 item |
| 01:44.26 | scanline | that's going to be tricky to index efficiently |
| 01:44.47 | scanline | you'll probably need to force it to index the first table by (scope, key) or possibly (key, scope) |
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| 01:48.31 | Sophie_ | damn, that's some hostname. |
| 01:51.35 | scanline | +1 cufflinks |
| 01:51.44 | purple_cow | :) |
| 01:52.11 | purple_cow | leavy time |
| 01:56.52 | Sophie_ | this command is apparently supposed to do it: /usr/local/sbin/vsftpd & [1] 2104 |
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| 02:05.01 | file[laptop] | hopefully this flight will go down in price, er yeah... hopefully |
| 02:22.40 | kergoth | scanline: heh. thanks |
| 02:22.41 | kergoth | select val from vars join currentscope on vars.scope = currentscope.scope and currentscope.recipe = "blah.bb" where var = "CXX" order by currentscope.priority limit 1; |
| 02:22.50 | scanline | :) |
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| 02:29.59 | KSoze | hmmm. Sophie been here lately? |
| 02:32.50 | pf[laptop] | I guess so? |
| 02:44.51 | scanline | so bitbake is going to have a nice on-disk database now rather than storing everything in RAM? :) |
| 02:45.04 | kergoth | yup |
| 02:45.08 | scanline | cool |
| 02:45.16 | kergoth | fast persistant storage of all data using sqlite3 |
| 02:45.19 | scanline | I have a shiny unopened NSLU2 that I need to play with this weekend |
| 02:45.26 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:45.34 | scanline | wanted a development box so I could play around without disturbing warzok |
| 02:51.17 | kergoth | i never use mine, but i should really use it as a general oe built distro test platform |
| 02:51.17 | kergoth | since its easy to bring back up |
| 02:51.48 | scanline | they're so cute.. the USB host really makes them a lot more useful to me than a zaurus or something |
| 02:52.25 | pf[laptop] | what is the best version of doom these days? |
| 02:52.37 | ToyKeeper | aalib doom. |
| 02:53.29 | ToyKeeper | Er, I've been pretty happy with prboom. I haven't played it in at least a year though. |
| 02:56.02 | kergoth | gr |
| 02:58.35 | kergoth | my net connection is flaky as hell tonight |
| 03:04.23 | KeyserLaptop | hmmm. what was that server purple_cow said to go to for #gnome? |
| 03:04.36 | scanline | gimpnet |
| 03:05.07 | KeyserLaptop | thanks scanline |
| 03:07.59 | scanline | fucking kernel... |
| 03:08.19 | scanline | there were some kernel panics reading from unionfs that wedged every single apache2 process in uninterruptible sleep |
| 03:08.29 | scanline | so of course I can't even start a new apache because port 80 is in use |
| 03:09.18 | kergoth | gr |
| 03:18.26 | KeyserLaptop | don't suppose you can make x.org re-read it's config file without closing and restarting it? |
| 03:18.34 | scanline | no |
| 03:18.40 | KeyserLaptop | that'd be nice, though |
| 03:18.42 | KeyserLaptop | :) |
| 03:18.50 | scanline | there are some things you can change dynamically |
| 03:18.51 | scanline | pff |
| 03:21.45 | kergoth | yay battlestar galactaca |
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| 03:29.15 | ChipX86 | oh man, what a funday |
| 03:29.16 | ChipX86 | erm fun day |
| 03:29.51 | ChipX86 | so we got the Taiko Drum Master set up on the projector and half of our team was playing it for a couple hours |
| 03:29.52 | samyb | hehe |
| 03:29.56 | KeyserLaptop | anybody use metacity? or use gnome with a different WM? |
| 03:30.00 | samyb | We should have a "Funday" in the week. |
| 03:30.17 | ChipX86 | then Paul, the senior manager of product development and research, came by, stopped, and looked through the little glass window by the door |
| 03:30.25 | ChipX86 | then opened the door and looked at us and at the game |
| 03:30.29 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: nobody uses window managers! everyone uses little pieces of tape to attach windows to their monitor! |
| 03:30.30 | ChipX86 | "Who's winning?" |
| 03:30.55 | samyb | ChipX86: haha |
| 03:30.59 | samyb | ChipX86: Sounds like a cool guy. |
| 03:31.00 | scanline | chipX86: cool :) |
| 03:31.00 | samyb | scanline: hahaha |
| 03:31.01 | ChipX86 | we couldn't get him to play, but he enjoyed watching immensely, and said we should bring it to the annual VMware party tomorrow ats the Exploratorium ;) |
| 03:31.30 | ChipX86 | then one of our other managers, Shirley (really cute asian girl, in probably her mid-twenties), came by and we got her to play for a while. She was hooked. |
| 03:31.33 | KeyserLaptop | scanline: with gnome, or for any desktop/no desktop, too? |
| 03:31.50 | KeyserLaptop | or just not use gnome |
| 03:31.51 | samyb | ChipX86: My next purchase will be a DK drumming game (I forgot the name), really nice party game. |
| 03:32.02 | samyb | KeyserLaptop: What's the problem exactly? |
| 03:32.03 | ChipX86 | yeah, that's fun |
| 03:32.06 | ChipX86 | we've played that before |
| 03:32.07 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: you should really read some FAQs or something, you're making no sense |
| 03:32.12 | ChipX86 | next week, we're going to play Pacman Versus |
| 03:32.58 | KeyserLaptop | samyb: just wondering if i can configure metacity to resize windows by alt+right click, instead of alt+middle click |
| 03:33.46 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: if it's not in a preferences applet or in gconf, you probably can't do it |
| 03:35.04 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: if you want lots of customizability there's always sawfish.. metacity tries to be a little less intimidating in its configurability |
| 03:35.20 | ChipX86 | s/little/lot/ |
| 03:36.34 | KeyserLaptop | wasn't sawfish once the 'official' gnome WM? |
| 03:38.12 | ChipX86 | as was enlightenment once |
| 03:38.29 | ChipX86 | back in the dark times |
| 03:38.52 | KeyserLaptop | sawfish was, up until metacity, which came fairly recently, right? |
| 03:38.59 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 03:41.24 | samyb | E was pretty annoying to use. |
| 03:41.30 | samyb | openbox is alright. |
| 03:41.52 | ChipX86 | I loved E |
| 03:41.58 | ChipX86 | gnome was the dark part |
| 03:42.11 | ChipX86 | no consistency, no real model |
| 03:42.17 | KeyserLaptop | woah. looks like gnome switched from sawfish to metacity 2 years and 1 month ago |
| 03:42.24 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 03:45.43 | kergoth | e17 will kick some serious ass if it ever gets finished |
| 03:45.47 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 03:45.49 | kergoth | its the duke forever of WMs |
| 03:46.35 | KeyserLaptop | simple things like not being able to drag windows from one desktop to another by going off the edge of the screen are making me want to go back to fluxbox |
| 03:46.48 | kergoth | yay fluxbox |
| 03:46.57 | kergoth | i used that before i switched to ion |
| 03:47.00 | KeyserLaptop | s/not being able to/not being able to (and not finding out if it's possible to configure to) |
| 03:47.06 | KeyserLaptop | you use ion? |
| 03:47.07 | KeyserLaptop | cool |
| 03:47.14 | kergoth | i'm a console junkie.. its a great fit |
| 03:48.05 | scanline | ah yes, pwm used to be all my laptop ran |
| 03:48.39 | samyb | I like E as a stand-alone WM. |
| 03:48.57 | KeyserLaptop | i haven't used E in years. like maybe 5 years... |
| 03:48.58 | gonkulator | yeah, I would use E but E is hard to use with all my monitors |
| 03:49.01 | samyb | I just mean in terms of GNOME integration, it is pathetic. I guess GNOME is to blame on that part. |
| 03:49.06 | samyb | gonkulator: Hey. |
| 03:49.11 | ChipX86 | samyb: it's not, actually |
| 03:49.15 | gonkulator | howdy samyb |
| 03:49.18 | ChipX86 | there's nothing magic about metacity |
| 03:49.26 | ChipX86 | it ddoes nothing but use fd.o standard hints and stuff |
| 03:49.27 | samyb | ChipX86: Exactly. :) |
| 03:49.30 | file[laptop] | it's 11:49PM, I should make food |
| 03:49.33 | ChipX86 | so it's E's fault |
| 03:49.37 | ChipX86 | and E has progressed in that area recently |
| 03:56.08 | KeyserLaptop | a pcmcia card that stick out a 1/2" extra with a scroll wheel built in might be an interesting idea... |
| 03:57.16 | kergoth | 21:52 < rdunlap> [RFC: 2.6 patch] IDE: unsexport 3 functions |
| 03:57.16 | kergoth | 21:53 < sjhill> pr0n in the kernel? |
| 03:57.16 | kergoth | 21:53 < rdunlap> :) |
| 03:57.17 | scanline | could get one of those old clip-on trackballs and configure it as a scroll wheel :P |
| 03:57.25 | KeyserLaptop | heh, i forgot about those |
| 03:59.02 | KeyserLaptop | buy it now for $4.99 on ebay, brand-new IBM clip-on trackball: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60264&item=6741641361&rd=1#ebayphotohosting |
| 03:59.29 | KeyserLaptop | that'd be nice for 2-d scrolling, too |
| 04:02.40 | scanline | got a PS/2 port on your laptop? |
| 04:04.35 | KeyserLaptop | yep |
| 04:04.56 | scanline | neat |
| 04:05.36 | scanline | heh |
| 04:05.49 | file | it's okay |
| 04:06.08 | KeyserLaptop | well, up until now, s-video and ps2 have been equally useful on m laptop |
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| 04:12.20 | KeyserLaptop | ooh, sub-$500 laptop coming out with an athlon 1800+ |
| 04:12.29 | KeyserLaptop | that's much better than a via c3 |
| 04:13.05 | KeyserLaptop | but, it's probably $499, so they should just say $500 instead of "below the $500 mark" |
| 04:13.44 | pf[laptop] | wow |
| 04:13.47 | pf[laptop] | that will use a ton of power |
| 04:16.22 | KeyserLaptop | athlon 1800+ will? |
| 04:16.30 | gonkulator | hey orchid |
| 04:16.37 | KeyserLaptop | not more than a P4... |
| 04:16.43 | orchid | hi! |
| 04:17.03 | KeyserLaptop | aren't there mobile athlon chips that put out 35W? |
| 04:17.28 | pf[laptop] | oh I thought it was a desktop chip |
| 04:17.40 | KeyserLaptop | i dunno if it is or isn't |
| 04:17.56 | KeyserLaptop | i dunno if there is a price difference between the two for 1800+ speeds |
| 04:18.00 | KeyserLaptop | 1.53ghz? |
| 04:26.13 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I use ctrl-alt-shift-arrows for controlling the music player. |
| 04:26.26 | ToyKeeper | ... and ctrl-arrows for moving between desktops. |
| 04:26.46 | ToyKeeper | Hyper-arrows for moving windows around (move window until it hits something). |
| 04:28.18 | KeyserLaptop | hyper=windows key? |
| 04:28.59 | ToyKeeper | On my keyboard, hyper is labelled with a little hollow diamond. |
| 04:29.07 | KeyserLaptop | ibm keyboard? |
| 04:29.17 | ToyKeeper | Happy Hacker. |
| 04:29.22 | KeyserLaptop | hmm |
| 04:29.27 | KeyserLaptop | i thought they had a penguin key? |
| 04:29.51 | kergoth | <native> surrender your weapons, or die where you stand! |
| 04:29.56 | kergoth | <jack> oh, if i had a nickel.. |
| 04:30.08 | KeyserLaptop | rofl |
| 04:30.15 | KeyserLaptop | mcguyver is cool |
| 04:30.18 | ToyKeeper | Oh yeah. I use ctrl-alt arrows for raise/lower/maximize. |
| 04:30.23 | KeyserLaptop | in fact, he's cooler now than when he was mcguyver |
| 04:33.03 | scanline | no he isn't |
| 04:33.15 | scanline | macgyver was a much cooler character than O'Neill |
| 04:35.05 | ToyKeeper | http://z.xyzz.org/fyral-9-6.1600.png |
| 04:35.53 | scanline | :) |
| 04:37.01 | KeyserLaptop | especially while contrasting him to mcguyver |
| 04:38.21 | scanline | it's "MacGyver" :P |
| 04:39.22 | file[laptop] | scanline is very picky |
| 04:42.13 | KeyserLaptop | lol |
| 04:48.03 | KeyserLaptop | hmmm. $498 laptop showed up on linare's website |
| 04:48.13 | merlin262 | bah humbug |
| 04:48.15 | KeyserLaptop | 14.1" xga, 128mb ddr, 40gb hd, cd-rom |
| 04:48.21 | merlin262 | ohhhh |
| 04:48.28 | KeyserLaptop | "1.8ghz" it says |
| 04:48.43 | KeyserLaptop | but probably a 1.5ghz 1800+ |
| 04:49.08 | KeyserLaptop | but, it does say xp-m processor, and it's got an 8 cell battery |
| 04:50.01 | KeyserLaptop | 1 type-II pcmcia slot, 1 1394, 10/100, no 802.11 |
| 04:51.27 | KeyserLaptop | s3 graphics, with 64mb of dedicated memory |
| 04:51.27 | KeyserLaptop | so they claim |
| 04:52.11 | KeyserLaptop | 2.7kg -> 5.9lbs, i think |
| 04:53.18 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth * r141 10bitbake-data/doc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Move the doxygen generation makefiles & configuration files into their own subdir. |
| 04:59.45 | CIA-5 | openembedded: 03kergoth * r142 10bitbake-data/doc/ (Makefile.am doxygen/Makefile.am doxygen/Makefile.sm): Fix a couple things I missed from the last commit. |
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| 05:23.21 | purple_cow | heheh |
| 05:23.26 | purple_cow | the tagline of sound-juicer 0.6 is great |
| 05:29.33 | purple_cow | so of course, liz tries to access the stuff i did for her while apache is funky |
| 05:29.46 | purple_cow | scanline: do i have a ~jupiter on flapjack? |
| 05:29.59 | scanline | yes |
| 05:30.21 | purple_cow | cool beans |
| 05:30.44 | scanline | indexes might be disabled, but I can fix that pretty easily |
| 05:31.01 | scanline | hmm yeah |
| 05:31.16 | scanline | flapjack seems like a good place to host these small non-php-or-python-requiring web sites :) |
| 05:40.05 | ChipX86 | yay! my order was shipped already |
| 05:40.43 | ChipX86 | oh it was shipped yesterday. Before I ordered it. That's efficient. |
| 05:42.24 | scanline | yay office space |
| 05:50.36 | *** part/#tacobeam orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 05:59.26 | ChipX86 | what to do.. |
| 05:59.54 | purple_cow | play with fyre? |
| 06:00.01 | ChipX86 | did that yesterday |
| 06:00.06 | scanline | kergoth: can bitbake cross-compile win32 packages yet? :) |
| 06:00.14 | KeyserLaptop | run with scissors? |
| 06:00.32 | kergoth | scanline: if the target os and arch are such that autoconf supports them, and gcc can target them, dont see any reason why not |
| 06:00.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:01.11 | KeyserLaptop | why oh why do people put buttons on a desktop pc's gui calculator program? |
| 06:01.28 | KeyserLaptop | all you need is a text window that you can type an expression in, that evaluates it when you hit enter |
| 06:01.40 | kergoth | indeed |
| 06:01.44 | KeyserLaptop | if i had a religious cult, that would be our main tenet |
| 06:01.46 | ChipX86 | touchscreens |
| 06:02.15 | KeyserLaptop | ChipX86: that would be a good point if any of the machines that these calculators were made for *had* touchscreens |
| 06:02.38 | KeyserLaptop | what's the deal with bc's retarded significant digit handling by default? |
| 06:03.10 | scanline | python makes a better calculator than bc |
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| 06:04.14 | KeyserLaptop | assuming trig functions are built in, and i just haven't found them yet |
| 06:04.26 | scanline | yay, this looks useful |
| 06:04.28 | scanline | http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/cross-gtk/ |
| 06:04.33 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: from math import * |
| 06:05.17 | KeyserLaptop | scanline: thanks :0 |
| 06:05.26 | KeyserLaptop | er, s/:0/:)/ |
| 06:05.32 | KeyserLaptop | it's got pi, that's nice |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth | 00:00 < viro> char data[200]; |
| 06:06.55 | kergoth | 00:01 < viro> data = (void*)vmalloc ((unsigned int)count); |
| 06:06.55 | kergoth | 00:01 < viro> if(!data) { |
| 06:06.55 | kergoth | 00:01 < viro> err = -ENOMEM; |
| 06:06.58 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:07.11 | KeyserLaptop | wtf is that? |
| 06:07.19 | kergoth | random segment of kernel code |
| 06:07.23 | kergoth | definately some real gems in there |
| 06:07.29 | KeyserLaptop | kernel code?!?! |
| 06:07.38 | KeyserLaptop | winnt kernel? :D |
| 06:07.57 | kergoth | from the context on irc, i'd assume that was from net/core/pktgen.c |
| 06:09.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:09.06 | kergoth | warnings generally get emitted for good reason |
| 06:09.58 | KeyserLaptop | and, if you're gonna use the result of an assignment as a condition test, please at least put a comment there if you absolutely don't want to change it |
| 06:11.00 | scanline | generally putting an extra set of parens around them tells the compiler and other developers that you really mean it |
| 06:11.17 | KeyserLaptop | this one guy used a for loop to copy a null terminated string, in like 16 places. he could have at least used an inline function or #define for it |
| 06:11.32 | purple_cow | KeyserLaptop: ew |
| 06:12.58 | KeyserLaptop | for(;;str1++ = str2++); |
| 06:13.15 | purple_cow | eww |
| 06:13.24 | ChipX86 | wtf is that code? |
| 06:13.36 | purple_cow | err. how does that work? |
| 06:13.48 | ChipX86 | it shouldn't be able to |
| 06:13.50 | KeyserLaptop | he probably had something in the first two conditions or he woulda used a while loop, but that's the gist of it |
| 06:13.58 | scanline | purple_cow: it copies the pointers themselves, it copies a bunch of random other stuff, then it crashes |
| 06:14.04 | scanline | or something |
| 06:14.19 | ChipX86 | yay random other stuff! |
| 06:14.27 | KeyserLaptop | i guess i left out a * or 2 |
| 06:14.43 | KeyserLaptop | for(;;*(str1++) = *(str2++)); |
| 06:14.57 | ChipX86 | still, kaboom |
| 06:15.23 | purple_cow | while(*str1++ = *str2++) would work |
| 06:15.43 | KeyserLaptop | hmm? it puts whatever str2 points to into str1, until str2 points to 0, and increments both pointers |
| 06:15.50 | KeyserLaptop | it'll work, it's just retarded |
| 06:16.12 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: no, that's an infinite loop |
| 06:16.21 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: either you're copying it wrong or it doesn't work |
| 06:16.28 | ChipX86 | KeyserLaptop: no, it will infintie loop and crash |
| 06:16.31 | KeyserLaptop | okay, now i feel dumb |
| 06:17.27 | KeyserLaptop | maybe copying strings in a for loop is a good idea, and i just don't understand pointers |
| 06:18.24 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: the while loop method (which can be trivially turned into a for loop) works fine, but it's kinda silly not to use strcpy |
| 06:18.45 | ChipX86 | s/kinda silly/extremely stupid/ |
| 06:19.01 | ChipX86 | since strcpy is more likely to be faster |
| 06:19.05 | scanline | yes |
| 06:19.15 | ChipX86 | strncpy would be better still |
| 06:19.25 | scanline | it makes sense if you're not using a libc and your compiler has no string builtins ;) |
| 06:19.34 | ChipX86 | nod, true |
| 06:19.49 | kergoth | strlcpy is pretty nice. too bad bsd has it and linux doesnt |
| 06:21.21 | ChipX86 | I wish my nose would just stop twitching |
| 06:24.34 | KeyserLaptop | doh. |
| 06:25.07 | ChipX86 | ok, time for a good desert food |
| 06:25.25 | KeyserLaptop | for(;*l++=*r++;); |
| 06:25.35 | ChipX86 | that should be a while loop |
| 06:25.39 | purple_cow | KeyserLaptop: that works |
| 06:25.47 | purple_cow | so dirty... |
| 06:26.02 | ChipX86 | is there a reason you can't use strncpy? |
| 06:26.10 | purple_cow | or even strcpy |
| 06:26.54 | KeyserLaptop | hehe. we didn't have string.h on that compiler, or somesuch |
| 06:27.17 | KeyserLaptop | speaking of things i shouldn't bring up.... |
| 06:27.43 | KeyserLaptop | i got bit in the ass AGAIN yesterday about a processor that craps out on non-word-aligned floats |
| 06:27.53 | purple_cow | huh. there was an arrival scan in achorage before the export scan in shanghai |
| 06:28.09 | KeyserLaptop | i packed a struct so a float followed a char and a short int, BOOM crashes, or float store instruction |
| 06:28.32 | KeyserLaptop | and i'm like WTF? this is impossible! and then i remember when i did the same damn thing on a little 16-bit uC like a year ago |
| 06:29.00 | KeyserLaptop | er, crashes on float store instruction |
| 06:30.42 | KeyserLaptop | sometimes i can't tell if i'm so annoying that no one responds, or they think i'm so stupid that they shouldn't respond. or just boring, hopefully :p |
| 06:34.55 | KeyserLaptop | well, i hope i already know about it by now :) |
| 06:39.44 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:40.33 | scanline | :) |
| 06:40.50 | KeyserLaptop | my cult would be like in that movie where people in a post-apocolyptic society worshipped an airplane wing as a divine object, except we'd all think python was just a calculator |
| 06:41.58 | scanline | TD[gone]: oh no! binreloc's configure-stuff breaks when cross-compiling! |
| 06:42.20 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 06:44.16 | KeyserLaptop | hehe. you guys ever hear of cisco LRE (long range ethernet). "...doing video conferencing with LRE over speaker wire, phone wire, barbed wire and a wire fence " |
| 06:44.38 | KeyserLaptop | up to 15Mbps, up to 5,000 ft |
| 06:45.50 | purple_cow | oooooh |
| 06:45.53 | kergoth | scanline: how so? |
| 06:45.55 | purple_cow | gtk+ HEAD depends on cairo now =D |
| 06:46.09 | KeyserLaptop | sure, a barbed wire fence is no bongo drums, but it's pretty cool |
| 06:46.15 | kergoth | yay cairo |
| 06:49.53 | scanline | kergoth: it's checking for some stuff in /proc... but I'm mostly kidding since binreloc shouldn't be enabled on win32 anyway AFAIK |
| 06:56.31 | kergoth | scanline: there's no way to accurately test for the functionality it needs to know about without poking into /proc. its no different than an AC_TRY_RUN |
| 06:56.31 | KeyserLaptop | hmmm. new scrolling on apple powerbook |
| 06:56.31 | KeyserLaptop | drag with two fingers to scroll |
| 06:56.40 | kergoth | scanline: you should be providing the test result via the cache, same as in a TRY_RUN situation |
| 06:56.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:57.00 | KeyserLaptop | wonder if the synaptics touchpad driver does that? |
| 06:57.18 | scanline | kergoth: I just --disable-binreloc |
| 06:57.53 | kergoth | hehe. what are you building? |
| 06:58.06 | scanline | trying to cross-compile fyre for win32 |
| 06:58.24 | scanline | I've built it natively running the build system under cygwin before, but this should be easier to maintain |
| 06:58.32 | kergoth | ahh |
| 07:00.26 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:00.39 | scanline | isn't --prefix supposed to be setting the default include and library paths? |
| 07:00.49 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 07:01.08 | scanline | ah |
| 07:01.09 | ChipX86 | I don't think so anyway? |
| 07:01.24 | scanline | seemed so from ./configure --help |
| 07:01.37 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.37 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.43 | scanline | it's still using my native include and lib paths |
| 07:02.20 | ChipX86 | where they install to |
| 07:02.28 | ChipX86 | it's not very clear from --help |
| 07:03.03 | scanline | oh |
| 07:03.12 | scanline | that would make more sense |
| 07:04.12 | scanline | so I guess I mostly just need to give it a new pkgconfig path... |
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| 07:09.05 | ChipX86 | my left arm is falling asleep |
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| 07:23.24 | purple_cow | hmm, i don't see why that kernel isn't working |
| 07:26.29 | sbahra | purple_cow: Linux? |
| 07:27.01 | sbahra | purple_cow: I think if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org, you can find a patch for this issue. |
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| 07:29.57 | purple_cow | sbahra: you're saying that freebsd has a working driver for our highpoint card as well as something featurely-comparable to unionfs? |
| 07:31.20 | scanline | pff, clean |
| 07:31.31 | sbahra | purple_cow: Yes. |
| 07:31.32 | scanline | you mean you don't want 24835 different patches that nobody on lkml cares about? |
| 07:31.36 | sbahra | purple_cow: :) |
| 07:31.50 | purple_cow | sbahra: funny. last time i looked, unionfs was pretty far above tfs and it's variants |
| 07:31.55 | ChipX86 | eep, they named the girl from the esurance.com commercial "Erin Esurance" |
| 07:32.05 | scanline | sbahra: navi needs apache, does freebsd run that? |
| 07:32.14 | sbahra | scanline: Yes. :) |
| 07:32.17 | sbahra | scanline: Look at yahoo. |
| 07:32.18 | scanline | naw! |
| 07:32.25 | sbahra | scanline: hehehe |
| 07:32.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:32.39 | sbahra | purple_cow: Look at nullfs and unionfs, both available on FreeBSD. |
| 07:32.40 | scanline | silly sbahra, seriousness is for rabbits |
| 07:32.44 | sbahra | purple_cow: Check out GEOM's feature set as well. |
| 07:32.49 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 07:32.53 | ChipX86 | my right arm has fallen asleep now |
| 07:32.56 | ChipX86 | wtf is going on |
| 07:33.01 | sbahra | :\ |
| 07:33.08 | sbahra | ChipX86: Any pain? |
| 07:33.17 | purple_cow | obviously you have a crippling nervous-system disorder that you just didn't notice until today |
| 07:33.17 | ChipX86 | none |
| 07:33.26 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: apparently... |
| 07:33.46 | ChipX86 | well, kind of pain, but just that dull, "I don't feel blood running there!" pain |
| 07:33.58 | ChipX86 | or "They're asleep!" pain |
| 07:33.59 | ChipX86 | or something like that |
| 07:36.13 | ChipX86 | I love these commercials claiming that DirecTV costs more than Comcast cable and that it's harder to set up and use |
| 07:53.11 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6671 10fyre/TODO: add scanline's TODO |
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| 08:01.16 | scanline | grrrr |
| 08:05.48 | ChipX86 | uh oh, my kernel doesn't have suppor for dma on this drive |
| 08:05.53 | ChipX86 | that explains a few things |
| 08:06.27 | scanline | h |
| 08:06.28 | scanline | a |
| 08:06.29 | scanline | h! |
| 08:07.29 | purple_cow | scanline: was that a programmed-I/O response? |
| 08:19.08 | scanline | purple_cow: yep |
| 08:22.32 | ChipX86 | great. |
| 08:22.40 | ChipX86 | 2.6.9 broke DMA on the chipset used in thinkpads |
| 08:24.14 | scanline | sounds like it's time to buy a new laptop |
| 08:24.22 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:27.00 | ChipX86 | 2.6.10 fixes it, but breaks other things. |
| 08:30.25 | purple_cow | mmm strawberry ice cream |
| 09:02.09 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 09:02.32 | purple_cow | both parts of my laptop are in CA |
| 09:09.55 | purple_cow | ooh, scanline is booting into windows |
| 09:14.18 | ChipX86 | what the fuck. |
| 09:14.19 | ChipX86 | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14851483/ |
| 09:15.11 | ChipX86 | are those supposed to be bruises? |
| 09:15.19 | purple_cow | i think so |
| 09:15.25 | ChipX86 | hmm that's a pic of herself it seems |
| 09:44.22 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 09:44.28 | purple_cow | scanline just used --disable-binutils |
| 09:45.26 | ChipX86 | who here wants a $5 off coupon for cafepress? |
| 09:45.33 | purple_cow | hmm! |
| 09:45.50 | ChipX86 | which e-mail do you want to use? |
| 09:46.05 | purple_cow | trowbrds@cs.colorado.edu |
| 09:46.23 | ChipX86 | anyone else? |
| 09:49.42 | ChipX86 | going once, going twice... |
| 09:50.13 | scanline | hmm |
| 09:50.18 | scanline | yes! |
| 09:50.22 | ChipX86 | e-mail? |
| 09:50.25 | scanline | micah@navi.cx |
| 09:50.36 | ChipX86 | anyone else awake in here? |
| 09:51.26 | purple_cow | ChipX86: hmm, the destroy mornings store isn't linked on the site |
| 09:51.31 | ChipX86 | nope, I need to do that |
| 09:51.44 | ChipX86 | going to move it to osiris in time |
| 09:53.37 | ChipX86 | sent |
| 10:02.29 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 10:02.39 | ChipX86 | my "Designed for Windows XP" sticker is pealing off on my wrist |
| 10:03.33 | purple_cow | yay, scheduled for delivery on the 7th |
| 10:03.57 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 10:05.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6672 10fyre/src/main.c: |
| 10:05.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Do a little gnet intialization- we were missing gnet_init() entirely before. |
| 10:05.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: This didn't seem to affect gnet's linux implementation, but it might have been |
| 10:05.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: responsible for crashes under windows. Also explicitly tell gnet we prefer IPv4, |
| 10:05.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: since windows makes you pick one or the other and defaults to IPv6 only. |
| 10:06.07 | purple_cow | scanline: but think of the children! |
| 10:06.18 | purple_cow | surely they will want to use fyre on their giant ipv6-only clusters |
| 10:06.26 | scanline | yes |
| 10:06.36 | scanline | lack of IPv6-friendliness should prolly be on the BUGS list :P |
| 10:09.13 | ChipX86 | it's hard finding new fyre pretties |
| 10:16.23 | scanline | :) |
| 10:16.25 | ChipX86 | "No, he had a tooth brush in his hair, so to speak" |
| 10:20.04 | purple_cow | uh oh, time for macgyver to make a bomb |
| 10:20.08 | purple_cow | he's such a terra-ist |
| 10:25.13 | scanline | blarr |
| 10:25.21 | scanline | the CVS version of gnet is less crashy, but no more working |
| 10:25.34 | purple_cow | :( |
| 10:32.33 | purple_cow | it always gives me such a warm tickly feeling when macgyver says "water's kinda weird" |
| 10:32.35 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 10:32.40 | purple_cow | 'night |
| 10:34.33 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.42 | scanline | I never even documented fyre's -D / --nofork option |
| 10:45.01 | purple_cow | grr |
| 10:45.08 | purple_cow | looks like the binutils on this laptop has gone stupid |
| 10:49.09 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6673 10fyre/src/ (main.c remote-server.c remote-server.h): Add a --verbose option to replace the old --nofork |
| 10:49.26 | scanline | hrm |
| 10:55.42 | scanline | so this win32 gnet build seems to be capable of connecting, disconnecting, and accepting connections.. but not sending or receiving any actual data |
| 10:55.52 | purple_cow | heh |
| 11:30.19 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 11:30.22 | purple_cow | to sleep, or not to sleep |
| 11:30.40 | purple_cow | wait, 4:30 |
| 11:30.41 | purple_cow | sleep |
| 11:30.52 | scanline | hah |
| 11:30.55 | scanline | yeah.. that sounds good |
| 11:36.02 | scanline | hmm |
| 11:36.06 | scanline | this might actually be a glib bug |
| 11:42.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6674 10fyre/BUGS: |
| 11:42.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: yyyyep |
| 11:42.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: -- |
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| 13:24.52 | ToyKeeper | Holy crap this site is nasty. I haven't seen one this bad in quite a while... |
| 13:25.13 | ToyKeeper | The front page is about 10MB... that'd take 40 minutes to view on a modem! |
| 13:33.37 | Sophie_ | I'm not overly impressed with xmms. Anybody know of a better mp3 player? |
| 13:35.51 | Sophie_ | guess not. |
| 13:38.48 | ToyKeeper | Heh. |
| 13:39.07 | ToyKeeper | I haven't used xmms for quite a while. It started sucking, a lot, a while back. |
| 13:39.16 | ToyKeeper | I got sick of it crashing my system. |
| 13:39.38 | ToyKeeper | What features are you looking for in a music player? There's a whole lot of 'em out there. |
| 13:41.06 | ToyKeeper | Do you want it to have a GUI? A command-line interface? Should it have auto-dj features? Remote control features? A web interface? Does it need to catalog files based on ID3 tags, or do you prefer filesystem-based organization? (etc, etc, etc) |
| 13:46.05 | Sophie_ | I prefer a gui |
| 13:46.39 | Sophie_ | not necessarily dj features, but I liked the internet radio design of iTunes |
| 13:47.35 | Sophie_ | but, hell, I would love to DJ myself. I don't know if I have the UL BW to stream decent quality. |
| 13:47.43 | ToyKeeper | A big gui, or a little one? |
| 13:48.06 | ToyKeeper | I don't mean DJ as in streaming, but just as a way of intelligently selecting songs to play. |
| 13:48.14 | Sophie_ | oh |
| 13:49.41 | Sophie_ | well, a playlist and the ability to set random play would be nice. Multiple playlists I can toggle between would be better. |
| 13:50.04 | Sophie_ | winamp used to have that, and they did away with it for some reason. I really liked it. |
| 13:50.30 | ToyKeeper | Going with the "similar to XMMS" crowd, there's "beep media player" (fork of xmms). |
| 13:50.58 | ToyKeeper | Also, Zinf (freeamp) is decent, and has more/better music management than xmms. |
| 13:51.09 | Sophie_ | some nice skins would be cool, too |
| 13:51.17 | ToyKeeper | mpd (music player daemon) is interesting and flexible, but minimal. |
| 13:51.53 | Sophie_ | I will try Zinf |
| 13:51.53 | ToyKeeper | There's gqmpeg, which is very skinnable... |
| 13:52.27 | ToyKeeper | rhythmbox is a pretty full-featured music management system like iTunes. |
| 13:52.49 | Sophie_ | hmm. |
| 13:53.10 | Sophie_ | exactly, now just merge the best features of all of those :P |
| 13:53.10 | ToyKeeper | I use a thing called "moosic", which is a generic/flexible daemon, and easy to modify. I added a bunch of auto-dj and rating features to it. |
| 13:54.18 | Sophie_ | moosic. That's a great name. |
| 13:55.14 | Sophie_ | ok, well, I certainly have options, then |
| 13:55.20 | ToyKeeper | ... and there are literally hundreds of others. |
| 13:55.52 | Sophie_ | now I forget which one I just emerged, lol. |
| 13:59.47 | ToyKeeper | The features I use/want: Player is a daemon. Can be controlled via command-line. Advanced rating and DJ features. Ability to add metadata to songs. Filesystem (not database) based. GUI(s) available but not required. Lets me manage my collection myself (doesn't need to do it for me). Runs on my Zaurus. |
| 14:00.02 | ToyKeeper | Also, crossfading would be nice. |
| 14:00.16 | ToyKeeper | Being able to play any type of file would be spiffy, too. |
| 14:00.24 | Sophie_ | hm. I have a zaurus now. |
| 14:00.48 | Sophie_ | but not so much with the memory space having, I thought? |
| 14:01.29 | ToyKeeper | Wholly randomly with and the duck, perhaps, but probabilistic contemplation? |
| 14:02.02 | Sophie_ | are you poking fun at my syntax? |
| 14:02.10 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 14:02.38 | Sophie_ | I mean, I still want a mobile mp3 player. |
| 14:03.46 | ToyKeeper | I use a 256M CF card for music on my Z. I can play music for about 4 hours on it, which is usually enough. |
| 14:04.09 | ToyKeeper | I'd rather get an iRiver iHP player, but that requires money-stuffs I'm not likely to have any time soon. |
| 14:05.27 | Sophie_ | cool. I'm pretty sure we have a 265 CF card for our camera. Maybe I could (at least temporarily) copy you. |
| 14:06.15 | Sophie_ | I'm broke, and aside from that, I'd rather have an LCD than an mp3 player. |
| 14:07.08 | ToyKeeper | LCD? Like a monitor, or something you'd use for lcdproc? |
| 14:07.29 | Sophie_ | monitor. What's lcdproc? |
| 14:07.48 | ToyKeeper | http://lcdproc.org/ |
| 14:11.34 | Sophie_ | m'k |
| 14:12.08 | samyb | 1:29PM up 4:29, 1 user, load averages: 1016.79, 182.14, 477.41 |
| 14:12.09 | samyb | haha |
| 14:14.18 | ToyKeeper | WTF? |
| 14:29.47 | samyb | ToyKeeper: A bug in this code. |
| 14:30.11 | ToyKeeper | fork bomb? |
| 14:34.45 | samyb | No, a bug in the system. |
| 14:35.03 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, I was just guessing what the bug was. :) |
| 14:35.26 | ToyKeeper | Not many bugs can produce a load of 1016... |
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| 17:19.22 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03mike * r6675 10winekb/ (. index.xml): |
| 17:19.22 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: r107@littlegreen: mike | 2005-01-11 20:32:35 +0000 |
| 17:19.22 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: foo commit 1 |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03mike * r6676 10winekb/ (. InterestingPatches.xml patches/thread-context.patch): |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: r123@littlegreen: mike | 2005-02-05 17:25:47 +0000 |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: Add thread context patch |
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| 17:58.37 | pagefault | interesting you don't get ads when you use pop on gmail |
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| 18:03.04 | CIA-5 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/debug.c: Initial check in of debug.c |
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| 18:45.44 | file | woot, memory leaks! |
| 18:54.57 | pagefault | fun |
| 19:01.11 | file | I'm on dual displays now too... rather cool |
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| 19:16.37 | CIA-5 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ (ChangeLog libexec/libuau.so.3.0.0): Update luau version to 0.1.9 |
| 19:20.56 | CIA-5 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: Update TODO list |
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| 19:23.40 | CIA-5 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com> * 10/: Return OLE automation build value as win2k by default |
| 19:32.18 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6677 10fyre/ (BUGS src/main.c): Prefer IPv4 over IPv6 instead of requiring IPv4, and only do this in Windows where it matters. We keep the default IPv6 settings under other OSes. |
| 19:32.53 | ChipX86 | Bill Gates Claims OSS Has Poor Interoperability |
| 19:32.54 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 19:33.13 | scanline | hahaha |
| 19:33.34 | TD | "Bill Gates is teh suck", film at 11! |
| 19:33.44 | ChipX86 | in related news |
| 19:33.45 | ChipX86 | 13 New Windows Security Vunerabilities |
| 19:34.06 | ChipX86 | maybe he means we don't interoperate with virus authors? |
| 19:34.09 | TD | hopefully i didn't have to pass any bootstrap flags |
| 19:34.45 | ChipX86 | yay, new mediaportal |
| 19:34.50 | TD | perhaps |
| 19:37.24 | ChipX86 | man, huge release |
| 19:40.12 | ChipX86 | http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/ <-- that's what you like to see in a release :) |
| 19:49.49 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1480 10web/inc/html.inc.php: Remove the SourceForge button. |
| 19:50.34 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:51.35 | kergoth | hm, havent done anything today |
| 19:51.44 | ChipX86 | I just woke up :/ |
| 19:51.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:52.05 | kergoth | yay real genius. just ending though |
| 19:52.19 | scanline | so rewind it |
| 19:52.26 | scanline | :P |
| 19:52.28 | kergoth | its hard to rewind the comedy channel |
| 19:52.30 | kergoth | i should buy it |
| 19:53.10 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6678 10fyre/data/explorer.glade: The about box shouldn't be resizable |
| 19:54.01 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:54.19 | ChipX86 | kergoth: you missed the $5 off DestroyMornings coupon |
| 19:57.45 | pagefault | I think I was a chef in a past lifetime |
| 19:58.50 | samyb | Man... |
| 19:58.55 | samyb | ChipX86 Bill Gates Claims OSS Has Poor Interoperability |
| 19:59.09 | samyb | ChipX86: In Dubai, during GITEX, I had all of the Microsoft security team stand up against me :) |
| 19:59.16 | samyb | They are a bunch of monkies. |
| 19:59.18 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 19:59.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:59.25 | samyb | "We are the only vendor with a formal patch process" |
| 19:59.30 | scanline | hahaha |
| 19:59.31 | ChipX86 | my uncle knew Gates and Balmer in the early days. They haven't changed a bit |
| 19:59.33 | kergoth | haha |
| 19:59.34 | samyb | I explained Gentoo/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/Debian/etc.... |
| 19:59.43 | samyb | and the fact that they're atomic. |
| 19:59.53 | samyb | They were boasting...."We actually provide updates once a month!" |
| 20:00.06 | samyb | So, we discussed that, cool. OSS one. |
| 20:00.09 | samyb | Then...you know what |
| 20:00.27 | samyb | They're like: "So, how would you update a network with 500 machines or so? Let's say one single patch" |
| 20:00.45 | ChipX86 | how *wouldn't* you? |
| 20:00.54 | samyb | I am like: "They all provide binary update systems, either you can depend on your client to update manually, or you can do it remotely through this" |
| 20:01.08 | scanline | they'd be like "Buy MS patch-500-machines XP" and you'd be like "Hey, lookit this list of 100 ways to do it..." |
| 20:01.19 | samyb | "A binary image will be magically downloaded and installed if needed on BSD, they all even have source-based updates ofcourse, being open-source" |
| 20:01.21 | samyb | Hold on! |
| 20:01.23 | samyb | Look what they say |
| 20:01.41 | samyb | They laugh at me and say: "hahah, you haven't made it to big IT yet" |
| 20:01.47 | scanline | hah! |
| 20:01.50 | samyb | "Distributing a binary image to 500 clients? hahaha" |
| 20:02.10 | scanline | so they somehow do it without binary or source changes? |
| 20:02.13 | samyb | I was pondering, "How the fuck do you guys update? Fuck-heads. Do note the insecurities in the update protocol itself" |
| 20:02.19 | ChipX86 | they simply don't send them! |
| 20:02.20 | samyb | scanline: Exactly. |
| 20:02.24 | samyb | ChipX86: haha |
| 20:02.27 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:02.30 | kergoth | yep, monkeys |
| 20:02.51 | samyb | I was going to go gather the JedLUG and CA folks, head over and kick their asses. |
| 20:03.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:03.09 | kergoth | i should play a game |
| 20:03.11 | kergoth | yay unproductivity |
| 20:03.24 | scanline | I wonder if they've been trained to spout crap like that or if they really believe it |
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| 20:03.38 | samyb | scanline: I have the fellows card. |
| 20:03.41 | ChipX86 | hurray for mod_rewrite |
| 20:03.44 | ChipX86 | http://galago.sf.net/ :) |
| 20:03.49 | samyb | Check this... |
| 20:04.00 | samyb | "Paul O'Kirwan" |
| 20:04.06 | samyb | "Principal Consultant" |
| 20:04.16 | samyb | Principal. |
| 20:05.33 | CIA-5 | galago: 03chipx86 * r1481 10web/inc/navigation.inc.php: Woah, I had a link to the old SourceForge bug tracker in here still, even after moving to Bugzilla long ago. Oopsie. |
| 20:06.34 | samyb | Until I saw their customer relations at GITEX. |
| 20:06.57 | scanline | SuSE has customers? |
| 20:07.19 | samyb | heh |
| 20:07.24 | samyb | It's actually a really good distribution. |
| 20:07.30 | ChipX86 | it's not bad |
| 20:07.44 | ChipX86 | I used it for a long time until I put ubuntu on |
| 20:07.58 | ChipX86 | the lack of decent gnome support sucked |
| 20:08.17 | samyb | I really should give Ubuntu a shot one day. |
| 20:08.20 | samyb | Hrm. |
| 20:08.21 | ChipX86 | I love it |
| 20:08.29 | ChipX86 | I could put it on my mom's computer |
| 20:08.35 | samyb | Once I have 2 more home boxes, I can afford Linux on one. |
| 20:09.06 | samyb | ChipX86: These guys were groveling at the feet of some small-time resellers (potential resellers even) |
| 20:09.13 | samyb | ChipX86: but treating arabeyes.org people link junk... |
| 20:09.24 | samyb | Hey file :) |
| 20:09.43 | file | hi |
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| 20:10.29 | ChipX86 | hi Sophie |
| 20:10.33 | file | pagefault: homemade bread rocks |
| 20:10.37 | pagefault | file: yep |
| 20:10.50 | Sophie_ | hi ChipX86 |
| 20:14.08 | ChipX86 | hmm I should do laundry soon. And put on a shirt. |
| 20:14.14 | scanline | damn windows... |
| 20:14.33 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 20:16.00 | ChipX86 | heh, Norton Antivirus doesn't even ask me if I want to resubscribe |
| 20:16.05 | ChipX86 | it just pops up the wizard and subscription form |
| 20:18.15 | Sophie_ | scanline, just one bit? or one for each pixel? :p |
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| 20:18.34 | scanline | Sophie_: I'm hoping for the latter, but it could be either :P |
| 20:18.57 | ChipX86 | "DeviantArt Prints: So fast and easy, you can make a snowman... and train it to kill." |
| 20:22.31 | ChipX86 | it's sad, but 300KB/sec just doesn't feel that fast anymore |
| 20:22.49 | pagefault | file: yeah I like making it too, I don't think anything can beat hot bread out of the oven with butter |
| 20:23.14 | scanline | hmm |
| 20:23.15 | ChipX86 | except cold, moldy jelly |
| 20:23.27 | scanline | you can't cut/paste layers in the gimp? I sure thought you could :( |
| 20:23.37 | pagefault | hrm cold moldy jelly |
| 20:23.43 | ChipX86 | cut/paste? to move between images? |
| 20:23.45 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:23.46 | pagefault | 40 minutes left, then I can put it in the oven |
| 20:23.52 | ChipX86 | dunno, can you drag and drop? |
| 20:23.59 | ChipX86 | I've never tried |
| 20:24.15 | scanline | not sure how you'd drag and drop, since there's just one layers window |
| 20:24.25 | ChipX86 | you make a strong case. |
| 20:24.35 | scanline | oh, neat |
| 20:24.40 | scanline | you can drag from the layers window to an image window |
| 20:24.49 | ChipX86 | ah. Good. I win! |
| 20:24.56 | scanline | yep |
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| 20:38.38 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 20:38.41 | purple_cow | it's restoring time bandits :) |
| 20:42.44 | lurgy_ | aw, no lunix 2.6 :'( |
| 20:43.05 | lurgy_ | cuz.. well, why nt |
| 20:43.06 | lurgy_ | not |
| 20:43.48 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6679 10fyre/data/ (fyre-32x32.xcf.gz fyre-48x48.xcf.gz): Add a 32x32 version of the icon, and add separate layers to each with a 1-bit alpha mask to make them look slightly less crappy on windows 2000 |
| 20:46.52 | pagefault | hmm interesting |
| 20:46.58 | pagefault | I am being summoned to be on some radio show |
| 20:50.39 | ChipX86 | which, and what about? |
| 20:50.44 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1578 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/ (Media/mediaflix_logo.png mediaflix_queue.xml): Add the MediaFlix queue skin file and text image. |
| 20:51.30 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6680 10fyre/data/fyre-16x16.xcf.gz: Add a 16x16 icon (just the f(x) part) |
| 20:51.41 | file[laptop] | pagefault: realllllly? |
| 20:52.02 | pagefault | yes |
| 20:52.06 | file[laptop] | cool |
| 20:52.10 | pagefault | they want to interview me |
| 20:52.26 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 20:52.47 | kergoth | booooored |
| 20:54.57 | ChipX86 | nautilus. |
| 20:55.55 | ChipX86 | just turn off the option in gconf |
| 20:56.02 | ChipX86 | or don't use xscreensaver root window rendering |
| 20:57.48 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1579 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/Media/ (35 files in 4 dirs): Update the media files for MediaPortal 0.1.0.6. |
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| 20:58.48 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1580 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/fonts/ (30 files): Add the new font files. |
| 21:00.16 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1581 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/fonts/ (30 files): Oops, and nuke the old ones. |
| 21:02.20 | scanline | grrrr |
| 21:02.48 | scanline | apparently even if you give it a true color icon and a 256-color icon in the same file, win2k will choose the true color file and do its own conversion |
| 21:02.56 | Sophie_ | is there anything more beautiful that a beatiful flamingo flying over a beautiful beautiful sunset, and he's carrying a beautiful painting ? |
| 21:03.03 | Sophie_ | and also, you're drunk |
| 21:03.55 | lurgy_ | i am? |
| 21:04.00 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:04.12 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1582 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/ (18 files in 2 dirs): Update all the theme files. Hopefully everything will work now. |
| 21:08.08 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6681 10fyre/data/ (fyre-win32-icons.xcf.gz fyre.ico): I think this is the best I'll get the windows icons for now. This includes a 48x48 RGBA icon (for windows XP), a 256-color 32x32 icon, and a 256-color 16x16 icon. |
| 21:08.45 | scanline | bleh |
| 21:08.55 | scanline | even after all that tweaking it still looks fairly crappy |
| 21:09.05 | purple_cow | damn windows |
| 21:09.10 | scanline | we need an original icon without so many soft edges |
| 21:09.19 | scanline | even in gnome it could use more contrast |
| 21:09.32 | purple_cow | uhhuh :P |
| 21:09.43 | purple_cow | hows that twirly thing you were working on? |
| 21:09.53 | scanline | kinda cute, but not suitable for an icon |
| 21:10.39 | scanline | now I have to get this to actually compile in that icon... |
| 21:11.31 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1583 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/home.xml: Ah, perfecto! |
| 21:12.29 | purple_cow | scanline: did you get the gnet thing figured out? |
| 21:12.36 | scanline | not yet |
| 21:12.46 | scanline | my best bet right now is a bug in the version of glib I'm using |
| 21:13.03 | scanline | it looks like gnet's creating the connection, but nothing's listening on its g_io_channel |
| 21:14.18 | purple_cow | huh |
| 21:14.52 | scanline | after I finish playing with icons I was going to try their echoserver example.. if that still doesn't work, I'll grab a newer glib |
| 21:15.02 | purple_cow | urgh |
| 21:15.03 | purple_cow | https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2980219 |
| 21:15.05 | purple_cow | it shows |
| 21:15.24 | scanline | hah |
| 21:16.13 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1584 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/ (musicOverlay.xml videoOverlay.xml): Ooh, I can see my title information again under the play window. |
| 21:17.41 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6682 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/TODO: copy this over from my tomboy notes |
| 21:18.29 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6683 10fyre/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Clean up various files related to the windows installer and icon |
| 21:20.49 | ChipX86 | awesome, this release has tetris |
| 21:20.52 | ChipX86 | I'm playing tetris via remote |
| 21:20.58 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:27.53 | CIA-5 | trinity: 03chipx86 * r1585 10gaea/mediaportal/skins/gaea/Media/ (Tetris/hover.png hover_my status.png hover_my tv.png): Get the new hover images to fit right in the happy circle area. |
| 21:32.27 | purple_cow | whoa |
| 21:32.29 | purple_cow | whoa whoa whoa |
| 21:32.34 | scanline | dude! |
| 21:32.58 | purple_cow | SEND ART, SEND GIFTS, SEND STRANGE FINDINGS, SEND TO..... |
| 21:32.58 | purple_cow | THE DRESDEN DOLLS |
| 21:32.58 | purple_cow | c/o Madison House |
| 21:32.58 | purple_cow | 4760 Walnut St. #106 |
| 21:32.58 | purple_cow | Boulder, CO 80301 |
| 21:33.03 | scanline | whoa |
| 21:33.08 | lurgy_ | you should walk it over there |
| 21:33.10 | lurgy_ | ;) |
| 21:33.48 | purple_cow | it looks like that's just a booking agency |
| 21:33.51 | purple_cow | but still, weird |
| 21:34.35 | scanline | grr |
| 21:34.39 | scanline | I did --disable-binutils again |
| 21:34.57 | purple_cow | hehehehe |
| 21:35.23 | purple_cow | obviously some coffee would help |
| 21:35.32 | scanline | yep |
| 21:36.59 | scanline | this whole cross-compiling-for-win32 is so weirdly cool |
| 21:37.38 | scanline | hmm, what's that syntax for variables in make that include a default? |
| 21:40.41 | hardwire | why is the dog trying to wipe his butt on the loor? |
| 21:40.43 | hardwire | floor? |
| 21:42.28 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6684 10fyre/ (configure.ac src/ src/Makefile.am src/main.c): Yay, the win32 build now has our crispy little icon compiled in |
| 21:42.51 | scanline | wtf |
| 21:43.08 | scanline | it's scaling down the 32x32 version to put in the window border |
| 21:43.14 | scanline | instead of using the 16x16 version I put in there |
| 21:43.32 | scanline | damn that looks horrid |
| 21:46.24 | purple_cow | wow |
| 21:46.29 | purple_cow | i do believe i'm most of the way through these backups |
| 21:47.06 | purple_cow | yay, about 60% done |
| 21:48.49 | scanline | the about box is a bit sluggish on my laptop :( |
| 21:51.32 | scanline | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2002-March/msg00029.html |
| 21:51.32 | scanline | aha |
| 21:51.34 | scanline | that's gtk's fault |
| 21:51.37 | scanline | er, gdk |
| 21:52.45 | purple_cow | hmm, we don't have a window icon in the lunix version |
| 21:55.40 | lurgy_ | that darth_mall, always bein' mysterious an' stuff |
| 21:56.19 | purple_cow | huh. so if i do a make install in xchat-gnome now, it installs the schemas :P |
| 21:56.39 | lurgy_ | yay! |
| 21:58.54 | *** join/#tacobeam zak (~user@c-24-9-63-247.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:58.59 | file | hi zak |
| 21:59.07 | pagefault | holy crap |
| 21:59.08 | lurgy_ | morning zak |
| 21:59.09 | pagefault | this bread is good |
| 21:59.15 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 21:59.30 | zak | hmm |
| 21:59.32 | zak | pizza |
| 21:59.33 | scanline | ooh |
| 21:59.41 | zak | damn you and doing all that when i go home |
| 21:59.45 | pagefault | I started making it a 2 |
| 21:59.46 | zak | but i get steak so it'sok |
| 21:59.47 | pagefault | and it's now 5 |
| 21:59.47 | pagefault | heh |
| 21:59.53 | pagefault | it sucks how long it takes to make |
| 22:00.11 | zak | homemade bread is always good, but always takes a long time |
| 22:01.03 | pagefault | yeah |
| 22:01.05 | file | zak: Thank you for not sneezing. |
| 22:01.09 | *** topic/#tacobeam by zak -> Thank you for not sneezing. || you are NOT welcome. |
| 22:01.21 | file | scary |
| 22:01.31 | scanline | aha |
| 22:04.33 | scanline | purple_cow: so we could patch gdk to be less braindead about windows icon loading... or we could use gdk_window_set_icon_list() and get good results on windows and X simultaneously |
| 22:07.22 | purple_cow | scanline: btw, your /navi/backups/cia is working now |
| 22:07.28 | scanline | oh |
| 22:07.46 | purple_cow | i mean the union thingy |
| 22:07.49 | scanline | ah |
| 22:07.50 | scanline | ok |
| 22:07.54 | purple_cow | writes to there should go to 09 |
| 22:08.04 | scanline | is it safe to create a few more dirs in navi/backups? |
| 22:08.14 | scanline | I could use svn_auto and svn_remote |
| 22:08.34 | purple_cow | scanline: i *think* so. you might want to create them in 09/backups just to be safe |
| 22:08.37 | scanline | k |
| 22:08.38 | purple_cow | could test first by mkdiring in /navi |
| 22:08.44 | purple_cow | see where they go |
| 22:09.08 | scanline | 04 |
| 22:09.15 | purple_cow | oh, right |
| 22:09.19 | purple_cow | cuz of those catalog backups |
| 22:16.06 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy__ (~lurgy@128.138.74.40) |
| 22:16.14 | *** join/#tacobeam purple_cow_ (~jupiter@128.138.74.40) |
| 22:17.21 | *** join/#tacobeam scanline (~micah@128.138.74.40) |
| 22:17.38 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy_ (~lurgyman@128.138.74.40) |
| 22:18.25 | scanline | purple_cow_: I'm getting a little sick of unionfs already. maybe we just need an automatically-maintained pile of symlinks? |
| 22:19.03 | purple_cow_ | scanline: possibly |
| 22:19.21 | purple_cow_ | that'd still require people to file things among the individual disks by themselves |
| 22:19.26 | scanline | no |
| 22:19.37 | scanline | they can write to the individual disks through that pile of symlinks |
| 22:19.44 | scanline | seems like it would be about as effective as unionfs |
| 22:19.58 | purple_cow_ | but things like movies and series will be spread among multiple disks |
| 22:20.13 | scanline | we have more than one disk full of movies? |
| 22:20.15 | kergoth | heh, just use bind mounts if you're going to do that and dont need to be able to see the lower layers. cleaner than symlinks, really |
| 22:20.29 | purple_cow_ | bind mounts? |
| 22:20.48 | kergoth | mount -o bind /mnt/disk1/path /navi/otherpath |
| 22:20.54 | kergoth | now otherpath contains the contents of /mnt/disk1/path |
| 22:21.00 | scanline | ah, cool |
| 22:21.05 | kergoth | no symlinks, just mounting directories from one location to another |
| 22:21.17 | kergoth | i use it all the time. thats how i implemented read only rootfs for OZ in the first incarnation |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth | mount -o bind /etc /mnt/backup/etc |
| 22:21.32 | kergoth | mount -o bind /mnt/ram/etc /etc |
| 22:21.38 | kergoth | cp -a /mnt/backup/etc/* /etc/ |
| 22:21.40 | scanline | etc... |
| 22:21.40 | kergoth | heh. |
| 22:22.07 | purple_cow_ | scanline: yes, and series is even bigger |
| 22:22.21 | scanline | bleh. how'd navi get so full? |
| 22:22.31 | scanline | maybe we should just delete the stuff we never use at some point... |
| 22:24.22 | scanline | bleh |
| 22:24.27 | scanline | looks like the therm cache got corrupted again |
| 22:26.37 | lurgy_ | mm, it's so pretty outside |
| 22:27.33 | file[laptop] | lurgy_: you should go outside |
| 22:28.02 | purple_cow_ | scanline: we could maybe use multiple layers of symlinks |
| 22:28.29 | purple_cow_ | so media/movies would be a link to the movies directory on the disk that's currently active for new writes, and then that disk would have a set of links to all the media on the other disks |
| 22:28.55 | KeyserLaptop | or if you have to use mount to see them |
| 22:28.57 | scanline | KeyserLaptop: why would it? |
| 22:29.14 | scanline | ls -l doesn't tell you if something's NFS, or tmpfs |
| 22:29.41 | purple_cow_ | hmm |
| 22:29.48 | purple_cow_ | our mount/df output is going to be huge |
| 22:30.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:30.26 | kergoth | note that /proc/mounts doesnt show bind mounts correctly. not a problem on desktops, which have a real /etc/mtab. but if your /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/mounts, the mount output is ugly as hell |
| 22:30.36 | kergoth | KeyserLaptop: ? |
| 22:30.49 | kergoth | it shows the correct free space on every mount, just like it does for any other mount |
| 22:30.53 | KeyserLaptop | i guess the free space on the bind mount will equal the free space on the disk |
| 22:30.56 | kergoth | yes. |
| 22:31.27 | kergoth | of course it does. a subdir of a disk doesnt only have a portion of the disk's free space. you can fill the disk writing to any directory |
| 22:32.02 | purple_cow_ | woo, my backup restore is getting really slow due to the rrdtool crunch |
| 22:32.13 | scanline | huh |
| 22:32.20 | scanline | I'm only doing one therm at a time |
| 22:32.26 | scanline | bleh |
| 22:32.36 | scanline | and there are still about 20 copies of rrdtool trying to do that one sensor |
| 22:33.33 | file[laptop] | xfs is nifty, I use it here at home... and am going to use it at school on my server |
| 22:33.55 | purple_cow_ | xfs has a lot of things that most others don't, but navi isn't nearly stable enough nowadays that i'd be willing to use it |
| 22:34.27 | file[laptop] | what's navi on now? |
| 22:34.29 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6685 10fyre/data/ (4 files): Add PNGs for 32x32 and 16x16 icons. The icons in fyre.ico will only be used by the windows explorer, these PNGs will be used as window icons under all OSes soon. |
| 22:34.58 | purple_cow_ | file[laptop]: we used ext3 on each of the disks this time around |
| 22:35.00 | KeyserLaptop | but vaxes have had disk quotas for centuries |
| 22:35.02 | *** join/#tacobeam luqui (~luqui@c-67-165-197-242.client.comcast.net) |
| 22:35.16 | scanline | luqui: yes, the mysql root password changed |
| 22:35.38 | luqui | I need to create a new database |
| 22:35.47 | luqui | s/need/want/ |
| 22:35.50 | luqui | I suppose... |
| 22:35.50 | scanline | pff, databases are silly |
| 22:36.09 | luqui | Yeah, but certain software like my blog and mediawiki likes them... |
| 22:36.17 | scanline | you're running mediawiki on navi? |
| 22:36.30 | luqui | I will be for a school project |
| 22:36.33 | luqui | If that's okay |
| 22:36.38 | scanline | just seems like a silly place to host stuff is all |
| 22:37.19 | luqui | I don't have a linode yet |
| 22:37.20 | scanline | :) |
| 22:37.20 | ChipX86 | I want a nice HDTV. |
| 22:37.20 | pagefault | tv abuse |
| 22:37.20 | pagefault | ! |
| 22:37.22 | ChipX86 | I can't get the image how I want it on the screen.. too much overscan |
| 22:37.29 | ChipX86 | and I can't get the refresh rate to be perfect |
| 22:37.32 | pagefault | hehe |
| 22:37.41 | ChipX86 | I feel like just getting a monitor and using that |
| 22:37.59 | luqui | Get a 30" flatscreen |
| 22:37.59 | purple_cow_ | luqui: just remember that navi's stability is dubious right now :P |
| 22:38.11 | luqui | why? |
| 22:38.19 | luqui | (and I'm making frequent backups, so it's okay) |
| 22:38.25 | purple_cow_ | because commodity PC hardware is crap |
| 22:38.37 | luqui | Oh yeah, that |
| 22:39.06 | scanline | luqui: what's the name of the database you want? |
| 22:39.14 | luqui | 3070_wiki |
| 22:39.21 | luqui | if that's a legal identifir |
| 22:39.41 | scanline | k, you should have all privileges on that db now |
| 22:39.46 | luqui | cool thanks |
| 22:39.48 | scanline | npo |
| 22:39.51 | scanline | er, np |
| 22:40.30 | luqui | unknown database '3070_wiki' |
| 22:40.39 | scanline | you have to create the db |
| 22:40.45 | luqui | oh |
| 22:40.50 | scanline | I just gave you privileges to it |
| 22:40.52 | file[laptop] | 'tis not psychic |
| 22:40.54 | luqui | you can grant privaleges on nonexistant dbs? |
| 22:40.58 | scanline | yes |
| 22:40.58 | luqui | weird... |
| 22:45.00 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6686 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (navigation_tree.c xchat-gnome.glade): give the close button a tooltip and desensitize it in server windows |
| 22:46.23 | luqui | navi seems to be thrashing a bit around now |
| 22:46.36 | luqui | could just be someone doing something to the network... |
| 22:46.47 | scanline | yes |
| 22:47.29 | ChipX86 | what does it mean when linode says I've used 24% of one Host CPU for this month? |
| 22:47.41 | ChipX86 | when it's 100%, does something happen? |
| 22:47.44 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6687 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/TODO: remove it from here too |
| 22:47.50 | scanline | chipX86: not that I know of |
| 22:47.58 | *** join/#tacobeam slimspace (~darkstar6@128.138.74.40) |
| 22:48.02 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 22:48.13 | scanline | chipX86: AFAIK they throttle CPU usage, like I/O usage, rather than charging you for it |
| 22:48.18 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 22:48.27 | ChipX86 | it must just be from all the emerging |
| 22:49.51 | purple_cow | ooh, lookit all the lurgies |
| 23:00.38 | kergoth | 16:58 < bluelightning> koen: looks like 3drealms don't like us linking their images |
| 23:00.41 | kergoth | 16:59 < bluelightning> it comes up with a picture with uncle sam on it and duke nukem's face saying "DUKE WANTS YOU to |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | 16:58 < bluelightning> http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RiseOfTheTriad |
| 23:00.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:00.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.50 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:01.57 | ChipX86 | reminds me of a pic I found.. must find it again |
| 23:02.46 | scanline | huh |
| 23:02.52 | scanline | purple_cow: we have an awful lot of apaches in the D state |
| 23:03.27 | purple_cow | scanline: dunno why :P |
| 23:03.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03micah * r6688 10fyre/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Yay, icons |
| 23:03.55 | purple_cow | dmesg looks clean, nothing has /navi open... |
| 23:04.21 | scanline | hmm, they're gone now |
| 23:06.59 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6689 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (TODO main_window.c xchat-gnome-ui.xml): well, it spits out some warnings on the console, but this appears to desensitize menu items properly |
| 23:08.31 | ChipX86 | can someone dns destroymornings.com? |
| 23:09.01 | scanline | ~nslookup destroymornings.com |
| 23:09.06 | ChipX86 | awesome |
| 23:09.16 | scanline | most useful feature jbot has :) |
| 23:09.24 | ChipX86 | and I just made that change 2 minutes ago. Not bad. |
| 23:09.48 | purple_cow | ChipX86: of course, it'll take longer for anyone who's resolved it more recently |
| 23:10.17 | ChipX86 | well, that's the interesting thing. I resolved it a few hours ago, and yet I get the new IP now |
| 23:14.56 | kergoth | ooh, mystery men is on usa on monday |
| 23:14.58 | kergoth | i should buy that one |
| 23:15.02 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 23:22.12 | scanline | now it's time to add cluster autodiscovery to fyre? |
| 23:23.02 | ChipX86 | howl? |
| 23:23.18 | scanline | hn? |
| 23:23.22 | zak | lurgy_: message.. |
| 23:24.23 | scanline | zak: it usually involves changing the termination resistors on D- and D+, then replying to enumeration packets |
| 23:24.37 | zak | hmm. thanks. |
| 23:25.15 | zak | how else? |
| 23:25.24 | scanline | what's the problem? |
| 23:25.53 | zak | i attached my zen micro to my computer, so i could transfer music, and my computer doesn't see it |
| 23:25.55 | scanline | whoa |
| 23:26.09 | scanline | my laptop crashed while scp'ing an AVI file to yoshi under windows |
| 23:26.16 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 23:27.42 | scanline | zak: do you know if it's a USB storage device? If not, you'll need special drivers that may not exist |
| 23:27.46 | luqui | Windows crashed? Unheard of! |
| 23:28.35 | scanline | why does windows insist on accessing my floppy drive? |
| 23:29.04 | ChipX86 | wish I knew... |
| 23:29.10 | ChipX86 | it does that here too |
| 23:29.37 | zak | it is a usb storage device...sorta |
| 23:30.05 | zak | it's this: |
| 23:30.07 | zak | http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=10795 |
| 23:30.10 | purple_cow | zak: that's not what he means. there's a standard for "USB mass storage devices" |
| 23:30.29 | purple_cow | zak: can you look for it in the output of lsusb? |
| 23:30.35 | zak | well, they told me i could use it that way |
| 23:30.50 | scanline | yeah, any device that complies with the standard shouldn't need specialized drivers under either windows or linux- it's just like plugging in a hard disk or flash drive |
| 23:31.30 | purple_cow | scanline: well, if the kernel doesn't have usbstorage, it won't work |
| 23:31.30 | scanline | purple_cow: hence 'specialized drivers' ;) |
| 23:31.30 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:31.35 | zak | purple_cow: there is nothing |
| 23:31.36 | scanline | why is windows scp so fucking slow... |
| 23:31.46 | scanline | 180 kB/s over a pretty fast 802.11 link? |
| 23:32.04 | scanline | and the computer crashed again |
| 23:32.06 | scanline | great |
| 23:32.11 | zak | that is very slow for a near direct connect |
| 23:32.13 | purple_cow | zak: uhh, nothing? |
| 23:32.26 | zak | that's is what i get scp'ing to navi from school |
| 23:32.28 | purple_cow | there should be something |
| 23:35.56 | purple_cow | hey look, it's restoring the backup of svn backups |
| 23:36.55 | purple_cow | LNV time |
| 23:37.45 | scanline | oh.. I just realized, my laptop might have older glib DLLs than yoshi has |
| 23:40.03 | file | pizza, you can ALWAYS count on pizza |
| 23:40.59 | scanline | ah, nope.. exact same version |
| 23:41.06 | scanline | 2.4.7 |
| 23:42.38 | scanline | purple_cow: the fyre icon in windows does look quite nice against a white explorer background :) |
| 23:42.54 | scanline | hopefully windows XP is smart enough to use the 48x48 RGBA version |
| 23:44.00 | scanline | aha, workrave |
| 23:44.23 | scanline | lookit the cute sheep! |
| 23:45.12 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:46.25 | scanline | hm, fyre's about as big as CIA |
| 23:46.55 | ChipX86 | a Ho Ho tried to choke me :( |
| 23:47.06 | purple_cow | Ho Ho? |
| 23:47.20 | ChipX86 | the little chocolate things with cream on the inside |
| 23:47.39 | scanline | hmm, fyre's actually about 1k lines longer than CIA |
| 23:47.46 | scanline | creepy |
| 23:48.11 | scanline | haha.. largest file in fyre is getopt.c |
| 23:48.26 | scanline | then of course histogram-imager.c and de-jong.c :P |
| 23:50.14 | ChipX86 | dobey is such a happy person |
| 23:54.20 | scanline | ooh.. hey... |
| 23:54.28 | scanline | these flags in the AVI header might be wrong |
| 23:55.05 | purple_cow | haha, we've got where in time is carmen sandiego.smc |
| 23:55.26 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 23:59.45 | purple_cow | yep, UPS's tracking system wasn't designed for routes heading east across the dateline |
