| 00:03.58 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 00:03.59 | jbot | Ha ha. Oh, this is so good it just HAS to be fattening. |
| 00:04.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r884 10mck/PyMCK/PhysicalQuantities.py: |
| 00:04.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: Add our own copy of PhysicalQuantities, from Scientific Python. It will be |
| 00:04.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: convenient not to depend on SciPy any more, but this was done mostly so we could |
| 00:04.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: implement storage units. Support for bits, bytes, and binary prefixes (Mi, ki, |
| 00:04.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: etc.) has been added. |
| 00:04.06 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 00:04.06 | jbot | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 00:04.14 | file[laptop] | my code, my code, my code is working! |
| 00:04.27 | gonkulator | :) |
| 00:04.33 | kergoth | file[laptop]: as opposed to 'on fire'? |
| 00:04.39 | kergoth | hey gonkulator |
| 00:04.48 | scanline | gonkulator: it isn't laggy |
| 00:04.48 | gonkulator | howdy kergoth |
| 00:04.57 | file[laptop] | kergoth: indeed |
| 00:05.07 | file[laptop] | if it was on fire I'd be sad :( |
| 00:05.09 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r885 10mck/PyMCK/ (Change.py Satellite.py): Satellite and Change modules modified to play nicely with ground software |
| 00:05.10 | kergoth | i should listen to some bloodhound gang |
| 00:05.11 | gonkulator | scanline: oh, good, the last few tim4es I have seena commit by you, it was followed bya comment that CIA was laggy |
| 00:05.13 | kergoth | havent in quite some time |
| 00:05.28 | gonkulator | kergoth: I am in Houston, and I almost had the chance to make it up to Dallas last week |
| 00:05.34 | kergoth | cool, for what? |
| 00:05.39 | gonkulator | I have been kicking myself that I didn't get to dcome up and see you |
| 00:05.50 | gonkulator | wow, my IRC is laggy |
| 00:06.19 | gonkulator | as part of a seminary sponsored thing |
| 00:06.21 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:06.23 | kergoth | cool |
| 00:06.30 | gonkulator | indeed |
| 00:06.50 | kergoth | i'm still fucking up at work, hunting for a new job |
| 00:07.01 | kergoth | thinking about going back to MN for a while while i decide whta to do next |
| 00:07.20 | gonkulator | anyway, one of the girls here went up to Dallas the other day, and if I could have made it back early enough the next day, I would have begged to spend the night on your couch :) |
| 00:07.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:08.05 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r886 10mck/ (Cx/Hardware/Satellite.py PyMCK/Types.py): Add a Ratio data type and remove tiny bits of cruft from Satellite. It will get a much more severe cruft-stripping once Flight.Computer is finished and we have spiffy ways of iterating over ObjectTree |
| 00:09.39 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r887 10mck/ (27 files in 9 dirs): Change everything to use our local copy of PhysicalQuantity, remove the Copyable physicalquantity subclass |
| 00:10.07 | gonkulator | floop |
| 00:10.22 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: kersplodey |
| 00:12.07 | gonkulator | nope |
| 00:12.26 | file[laptop] | :( |
| 00:13.42 | gonkulator | gotts to run |
| 00:13.47 | file[laptop] | ttyl |
| 00:13.49 | gonkulator | later |
| 00:16.10 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:17.01 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r888 10mck/ (Cx/Hardware/Satellite.py PyMCK/Hardware/Flight/Computer.py): Add a basic flight computer module, further decruftify the Satellite module |
| 00:20.32 | ChipX86 | bah, our 2TB server is back to 0 bytes free |
| 00:20.56 | file[laptop] | now how is that? |
| 00:21.04 | ChipX86 | people are using a lot of space |
| 00:21.13 | file[laptop] | like... you maybe? |
| 00:21.17 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 00:21.18 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03evan * r889 10doc-misc/adcs/sgp4_test_cases.xls: |
| 00:21.18 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: Whatever this change was it happened before the meeting |
| 00:21.18 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: and I don't remember. |
| 00:21.22 | ChipX86 | my home dir is on the 3.1TB server anyway |
| 00:21.34 | ChipX86 | which only has 354GB free |
| 00:22.22 | purple_cow | hah, wonderful |
| 00:22.33 | purple_cow | i did a big valgrind run of xchat-gnome but it wasn't in a screen so i lost most of the log |
| 00:22.52 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:33.20 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r890 10mck/ (106 files in 22 dirs): Plonk down a GPL on this whole thing |
| 00:33.50 | purple_cow | *plonk* |
| 00:33.58 | ChipX86 | *shoooom!* |
| 00:34.25 | scanline | fronk! |
| 00:34.48 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r891 10mck/COPYING: oop, forgot to add this |
| 00:37.10 | scanline | bleh, I should really fix this object tree iteration |
| 00:37.15 | scanline | but I need to go home and I need food |
| 00:40.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6583 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/preferences_plugins_page.c: well, one leak fixed |
| 00:43.38 | darth_mall | scanline: can you do me a favor? |
| 00:43.40 | darth_mall | or did you leave already? |
| 00:43.58 | darth_mall | scanline: if you haven't left, I left my coffee mug in the room with all the comps where the ADCS meeting was. If you could bring it home I'd appreciate it |
| 00:53.16 | darth_mall | ugh... 6/8 hours worked this week and it's only monday =P |
| 00:53.27 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 00:54.36 | file[laptop] | what's the probability of you making it in time? |
| 00:55.56 | darth_mall | 0 |
| 00:56.05 | file[laptop] | I thought so. |
| 00:57.00 | darth_mall | stupid ADCS meeting... |
| 00:58.49 | kergoth | yay |
| 00:58.50 | kergoth | home |
| 00:59.04 | file[laptop] | eek kergoth |
| 01:03.01 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth (~kergoth@proxysb01.ext.ti.com) |
| 01:05.21 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6584 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (. Reader.py): OMG, can it be? |
| 01:09.52 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth_ (~kergoth@ip71.churchill-park.dfw.ygnition.net) |
| 01:10.50 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6585 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (. Reader.py): clean up naming scheme, add definition of a box object |
| 01:11.14 | kergoth | yay dresden dolls |
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| 01:12.35 | purple_cow | kergoth: indeedy =D |
| 01:12.52 | purple_cow | they're so totally awesome that they're making me hungry |
| 01:13.29 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 01:13.35 | kergoth_ | this song, Good Day, is this a cover? |
| 01:13.39 | kergoth_ | its _really_ familiar |
| 01:18.27 | scanline | omg, bzedit commits |
| 01:19.00 | purple_cow | scanline: yeah, i got inspired when i discovered a grammarish thing in bzw.6 |
| 01:19.04 | scanline | :) |
| 01:19.16 | purple_cow | plus i'd really like to play around with the new mapping features |
| 01:19.30 | purple_cow | legoguy is making the first truly modern map and it's awesome |
| 01:19.34 | purple_cow | hmm, so, food |
| 01:20.43 | kergoth_ | "Dresden Dolls makes songs that sound like a soundtrack to an archly gothic, cobwebbed version of Cabaret." |
| 01:20.46 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 01:22.14 | scanline | purple_cow: modern map? screenshots? |
| 01:23.30 | scanline | hrm, freshmeat seems to have eaten my nouvelle 1.0 release |
| 01:23.32 | kergoth_ | this is gonna drive me nuts |
| 01:23.38 | kergoth_ | their song good day is so familiar |
| 01:23.41 | kergoth_ | and i cant remember from what |
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| 01:25.32 | purple_cow | looks like it isn't up |
| 01:25.43 | purple_cow | but it's basically inspired by a subway station |
| 01:25.53 | purple_cow | arch-ceilinged passageways |
| 01:25.54 | purple_cow | etc |
| 01:26.46 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6586 10bzedit/scripts/ (. BZFlag/Reader.py): add pyramid, world and teleporter definitions |
| 01:27.07 | kergoth | i should really buy this |
| 01:28.06 | purple_cow | it's amazing how much sound can be made by two people |
| 01:29.32 | kergoth | http://dresdendolls.com/press/album.reviews/rolling_stone_12_03.htm heh |
| 01:29.44 | kergoth | they were on the rolling stone critics top albums of 03 apparently |
| 01:29.47 | kergoth | nifty |
| 01:30.05 | purple_cow | kergoth: they were jwz's top album in this year's roundup |
| 01:30.13 | kergoth | ah really? cool |
| 01:30.48 | kergoth | i like the variety of sound and mood amongst the songs on the album |
| 01:30.57 | purple_cow | http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/music2004.html |
| 01:31.42 | kergoth | veruca salt? |
| 01:31.44 | kergoth | i havent heard them in ages |
| 01:32.36 | purple_cow | kergoth: jwz generally has excellent taste :) |
| 01:32.47 | kergoth | Dear 2005, please try harder. Thank you. <-hah |
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| 01:34.51 | purple_cow | scanline: coffee? |
| 01:35.39 | purple_cow | kergoth: do you get the impression that "missed me" is about a pedophile? |
| 01:38.33 | nullpuppy | w00t |
| 01:38.41 | nullpuppy | kvm arrived today :) |
| 01:38.54 | scanline | yay, my faith in USPS stands unexploded! |
| 01:39.16 | scanline | nullpuppy: it comes with free newspaper and duct tape |
| 01:39.19 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:39.23 | nullpuppy | awesome! |
| 01:39.28 | scanline | and one used zip-tie |
| 01:39.35 | nullpuppy | two very zaluable items |
| 01:39.40 | nullpuppy | erm.. three |
| 01:39.42 | nullpuppy | ;0 |
| 01:39.42 | scanline | yep |
| 01:39.43 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 01:40.36 | scanline | wow. spiraling-shape-high zoomed to the top of the "Total URLs by KBytes" chart after 29 hits |
| 01:41.48 | purple_cow | scanline: cool :) |
| 01:44.31 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6587 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add link definitions |
| 01:50.25 | scanline | ooh |
| 01:50.27 | scanline | fyre --screensaver -n /navi/tmp/stringy-folds.fa |
| 01:50.41 | nullpuppy | ... |
| 01:50.46 | nullpuppy | fyre is a screensaver now too? |
| 01:50.46 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 01:50.52 | purple_cow | nullpuppy: kind of :) |
| 01:51.03 | scanline | nullpuppy: it's extremely experimental, incomplete, and undocumented |
| 01:51.05 | purple_cow | it just uses up 100% CPU and a lot of RAM |
| 01:51.09 | scanline | and that :) |
| 01:51.12 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:51.14 | nullpuppy | cool! ;) |
| 01:51.22 | purple_cow | scanline: pretty :) |
| 01:51.32 | scanline | yay for --screensaver being a cute way to try out animations |
| 01:58.14 | file | it's... call clients and tell them they're stupid in a good way night |
| 01:58.37 | file | "I can't hear audio, and it's all your fault" |
| 01:58.42 | file | "Well sir have you tested using another device?" |
| 01:58.46 | file | "Well no... let me test!" |
| 01:58.48 | file | "It works fine!" |
| 01:58.51 | file | "I thought so." |
| 01:59.10 | scanline | whoa |
| 02:00.52 | nullpuppy | file: hehe |
| 02:00.54 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/chaos/psychedelic-inferno.png |
| 02:01.07 | scanline | spirals are far too much fun |
| 02:01.35 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah |
| 02:02.59 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6588 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add most of an arc object |
| 02:03.15 | purple_cow | scanline: wicked cool :) |
| 02:03.38 | file | now I'm listening in on a call to someone in Australia who wants to be the next Vonage |
| 02:04.31 | scanline | ahh, this is the one I was going for |
| 02:04.34 | file | can you hold for 2 sex David? |
| 02:04.37 | file | G'day David! |
| 02:04.43 | file | this is hilarious |
| 02:04.56 | scanline | fyre --screensaver -n /navi/tmp/more-fun-with-spirals.fa |
| 02:05.17 | scanline | damn you fyre, far too much fun |
| 02:05.23 | file | purple_cow: he says it like 'sex' |
| 02:05.45 | purple_cow | file: most people prounounce them as homonyms... |
| 02:06.27 | purple_cow | scanline: are you partaking? |
| 02:06.30 | scanline | sure |
| 02:06.41 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:07.10 | scanline | it just needs to mmap() the histogram buffers so you can save and resume work on an animation easily :) |
| 02:07.18 | scanline | and maybe export animations to AVI |
| 02:09.55 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:13.25 | kergoth | coin operated boy.. with a pretty coin, operated voice |
| 02:15.30 | kergoth | 20:14 < edlang> http://edlang.org/scrap/homage-to-the-square_on-an-early-sky.jpg - in my mind, this is art's |
| 02:15.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.57 | scanline | haha |
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| 02:21.42 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6589 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: revise the teleporterspec definition |
| 02:23.27 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6590 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: typo |
| 02:25.15 | scanline | I can't remember the last time I listened to Factory Showroom |
| 02:25.25 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6591 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add * as a valid side literal |
| 02:33.26 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6592 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: urk, this is getting complicated. hope it works :P |
| 02:39.41 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6593 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add zone |
| 02:40.05 | purple_cow | yep, i think i've gone completely mad |
| 02:40.22 | ToyKeeper | How are you getting spirals out of fyre? |
| 02:41.26 | scanline | ToyKeeper: transients near some fixed points are spirals |
| 02:43.16 | scanline | wow... 61M density |
| 02:45.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6594 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Reader.py __init__.py): start making it a real module |
| 02:47.11 | scanline | silly purple_cow and his python |
| 02:47.20 | purple_cow | me AND my python |
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| 02:50.23 | purple_cow | that is surprising |
| 02:52.21 | scanline | the 'bad' noise in a fyre image seems to be quite close to white noise |
| 02:52.42 | scanline | so I have a hunch that it might be easy to measure reliably in an image after a wavelet transform |
| 02:53.06 | scanline | I think we'll also want to measure noise in several small blocks of the image then take the maximum |
| 02:53.25 | scanline | average noise will fail when you have a sparsely filled image |
| 03:07.03 | kergoth | coin operated boy. |
| 03:07.40 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6595 10bzedit/scripts/ (BZFlag/Reader.py test_parse.py): someone stop me! |
| 03:14.26 | purple_cow | kergoth: a quick google search indicates that "good day" is an original song |
| 03:14.41 | kergoth | they mustve gotten it on a tv series or something |
| 03:14.46 | kergoth | or it was on a local radio station :) |
| 03:14.57 | kergoth | regardless, i like it |
| 03:18.12 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6596 10bzedit/scripts/ (BZFlag/Reader.py test_parse.py): start assigning things to groups and stuff. it seems to work for boxes/pyramids/teleporters/old-style links =D |
| 03:20.02 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 03:20.03 | purple_cow | http://www.gnome.org/~newren/valgrind/2005-01-31/valgrind-statistics.html |
| 03:26.05 | ToyKeeper | http://z.xyzz.org/flares-1.png |
| 03:26.38 | scanline | did you post-process that with a drop shadow, or is it just cool like that? |
| 03:26.49 | ToyKeeper | That's straight from fyre. |
| 03:26.53 | scanline | spiffy |
| 03:27.05 | ToyKeeper | I'm waiting for it to render a 1600x1200 version now. |
| 03:27.17 | scanline | =) |
| 03:28.00 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:28.12 | purple_cow | that looks like an ideal candidate for the cluster and printer |
| 03:28.21 | scanline | hmm, indeed |
| 03:28.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6597 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: fix up syntax, add worldweapons |
| 03:29.00 | scanline | hmm.. maybe I'm approaching this wrong |
| 03:29.08 | ToyKeeper | It's just a modified version of the psychadelic-inferno.png you posted earlier. |
| 03:29.31 | scanline | instead of doing all this complex image analysis in the frequency domain, maybe fyre just needs to use the 90th percentile or something from the histogram rather than the maximum |
| 03:29.44 | scanline | that'd still be pretty intense to calculate though |
| 03:29.55 | ToyKeeper | ... so it knows when to stop? |
| 03:30.03 | scanline | yeah, I'm pondering new stopping conditions |
| 03:30.17 | scanline | the peak density works decently, but it tends to vary too wildly over some animations |
| 03:31.36 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:31.50 | kergoth | s/off/from/ |
| 03:31.56 | kergoth | s/$/ via ubernet/ |
| 03:32.06 | scanline | it'd still be quite nice to have a way to measure the actual white noise content in an image |
| 03:32.54 | ToyKeeper | Perhaps calculate a difference from the previous "frame", by summing the visual difference made by the last X pixels plotted? |
| 03:33.12 | scanline | tried that. it might work, but the differences vary quite a bit |
| 03:33.13 | ToyKeeper | Once the difference is < 0.001 or so, it's time to stop. |
| 03:33.59 | ToyKeeper | It'd have to be normalized somehow... maybe divided by the peak density. |
| 03:34.12 | scanline | well, I'd prefer to do it in image space rather than histogram space |
| 03:34.30 | ToyKeeper | Hehe, yeah. Much faster... probably harder, though. |
| 03:34.31 | scanline | that would automagically have it account for the effects of extreme gamma |
| 03:34.52 | scanline | it isn't hard to calculate either way |
| 03:34.56 | purple_cow | whoa |
| 03:35.05 | scanline | but normalizing it into a reliable quantity seems hard |
| 03:35.12 | purple_cow | if you take ToyKeeper's flares and subtract them off white, it's very nifty looking |
| 03:36.14 | scanline | hah |
| 03:36.52 | purple_cow | haha, weirdly cool |
| 03:37.09 | purple_cow | you can only get that bright orange in flares if it's rendered against a fully transparent black background :) |
| 03:37.50 | scanline | fyre's RGBA support is something I don't play with nearly enough |
| 03:38.18 | purple_cow | heh, so much for just getting in a couple bugfixes for 1.0 :P |
| 03:45.28 | kergoth | booored |
| 03:48.22 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6598 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: revise a bit, add sphere object |
| 03:57.11 | kergoth | purple_cow: you grab the music videos off of the dresden dolls site? |
| 03:57.16 | kergoth | pretty cool :) |
| 03:57.36 | purple_cow | kergoth: uhhuh. i think there are still some sitting in my /tmp that i need to file |
| 03:59.25 | kergoth | order? |
| 03:59.47 | kergoth | nice. |
| 03:59.48 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 03:59.59 | purple_cow | one of the sexy new 1.4ghz LV models too |
| 04:03.07 | kergoth | there i go again, pretending to be you |
| 04:03.17 | purple_cow | :) |
| 04:03.28 | purple_cow | what a fantastically cool album |
| 04:03.44 | nullpuppy | mmm, the killers |
| 04:03.46 | kergoth | i'd love to see these two live |
| 04:04.46 | kergoth | nullpuppy: heh. jenny was a friend of mine! |
| 04:04.50 | kergoth | good stuff, that |
| 04:05.40 | kergoth | bored, i guess i should do something productive |
| 04:05.44 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah |
| 04:05.56 | kergoth | like finish my damn resume so i can get employed by someone else |
| 04:05.57 | scanline | yeah |
| 04:06.30 | nullpuppy | kergoth: friend of mine got to see them live |
| 04:06.49 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:07.01 | kergoth | they were in town here not that long ago, was broke though |
| 04:07.26 | scanline | the coffee's cold, did I forget to drink it yet? did I forget? my clothes are wet, I don't remember drinking it |
| 04:07.27 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 04:07.38 | nullpuppy | i would've gone, but i had to work and was broke :/ |
| 04:09.15 | kergoth | hm |
| 04:09.27 | kergoth | opened the window and sliding door, and now its around 60 degrees in here |
| 04:09.30 | kergoth | kinda refreshing. |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6599 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add physics |
| 04:13.39 | scanline | :) |
| 04:18.49 | file | stupid providers... why can't you just work?!? |
| 04:19.31 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6600 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add cone |
| 04:20.58 | kergoth | "it serves you right for kissing little girls" .. i think i see what purple_cow was talking about |
| 04:21.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:21.14 | purple_cow | kergoth: as far as i can tell he kisses little girls and then goes to jail |
| 04:21.38 | kergoth | strange lyrics for a song |
| 04:21.45 | kergoth | i like that song though, like the beat |
| 04:21.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:24.49 | file | I think the provider is punishing me |
| 04:24.52 | file | I can no longer dial my own area code |
| 04:25.03 | kergoth | yay out of context quots |
| 04:25.03 | kergoth | quotes |
| 04:25.04 | kergoth | 21:49 -!- halley changed the topic of #linux to: <btv> at least you weren't dreaming about dubya and his sexual |
| 04:25.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.36 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6601 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add dynamicColor |
| 04:28.45 | kergoth | 22:28 < btv> hmmm there is a band called Sultans Of Ping |
| 04:28.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:33.04 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6602 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add textureMatrix |
| 04:39.55 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6603 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add transform |
| 04:44.51 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6604 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add meshbox & meshpyr |
| 04:47.17 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:49.42 | darth_mall | man what a long day |
| 04:50.35 | darth_mall | lurgy: how'd you get a carrot in your nose? |
| 04:51.22 | lurgy | darth_mall: not sure.. i was eating carrots and then i started coughing and then i felt a chunk of something lodge itself in my sinuses.. |
| 04:51.32 | kergoth | thats no good |
| 04:51.50 | darth_mall | lol |
| 04:51.59 | darth_mall | lurgy: that's why I like you |
| 04:52.07 | kergoth | you should walk up to a random person you dont know |
| 04:52.17 | kergoth | and go "dont you just hate it when you get a carrot stuck in your nose?" |
| 04:52.24 | kergoth | and walk away |
| 04:53.34 | lurgy | hehe |
| 04:55.22 | darth_mall | sounds about lurgy's speed |
| 04:55.31 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6605 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add face and mesh |
| 04:55.32 | kergoth | its only 11? it feels later than that to me for some reason |
| 04:57.48 | lurgy | darth_mall: speed? |
| 04:57.54 | darth_mall | speed! |
| 05:02.19 | kergoth | hmm... quantum leap 2nd season is apparently on dvd |
| 05:02.21 | kergoth | i must buy this |
| 05:02.42 | ChipX86 | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0003QER82/ref=dp_product-image-only_0/104-6936674-8939108?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=172282 |
| 05:02.46 | ChipX86 | tempted to get this remote |
| 05:04.00 | scanline | lurgy: so... where are all those backup DVDs you borrowed from me without asking? |
| 05:04.15 | file | lurgy: hide!!! |
| 05:13.04 | scanline | http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/01/31-niceurls/read |
| 05:13.09 | scanline | more people need to follow that advice |
| 05:13.56 | kergoth | yep, very true |
| 05:16.02 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6606 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: i am a GOD! |
| 05:23.07 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6607 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: Yay LineStart(). This still has a chance of breaking if people do their maps stupid, but that's their fault |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r892 10mck/PyMCK/ (Test/test_types.py Types.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: Replace that crazy ObjectTree object with two much simpler and more flexible |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: objects. LazyTree is a very simple object that creates hierarchies of child |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: attributes automatically for quick assembly of deeply nested data structures. |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: TreeCrawler is an object that can be configured to retrieve and iterate over |
| 05:32.44 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: filesystem-like trees defined using a restricted set of classes. This should |
| 05:32.46 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: make it a snap to locate Observable.Value instances within various hardware |
| 05:33.16 | lurgy | scanline: DVDs, you say |
| 05:33.29 | scanline | lurgy: apparently you borrowed a bunch of my backup DVDs without asking, and they're still missing |
| 05:33.32 | lurgy | scanline: ok, i'll go aboot retrievin' theeeeem |
| 05:33.36 | scanline | thanks |
| 05:39.33 | kergoth | bleh |
| 05:39.36 | kergoth | i hate my laptop keyboard |
| 05:39.39 | kergoth | hands are all sore |
| 05:39.43 | darth_mall | for many years I was a tater farmer, but the horrible truth is the taters farmed me |
| 05:40.22 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6608 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add some maybe-working definitions for 'define' and 'group' elements |
| 05:40.48 | kergoth | okay |
| 05:40.51 | kergoth | i have some fucking weird music |
| 05:41.12 | darth_mall | yay fucking! |
| 05:41.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:41.22 | kergoth | indeed |
| 05:42.06 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 05:43.07 | *** join/#tacobeam zak (~zak@128.138.74.40) |
| 05:43.17 | zak | hey! who wants to interpret this for me? |
| 05:43.25 | darth_mall | ooooooooooooooooh! not me! |
| 05:43.26 | kergoth | darth_mall does! |
| 05:43.26 | darth_mall | =D |
| 05:43.30 | zak | 4.A 10 VRMS amplitude sinusoid is passed through two low-pass filters; the output of the first filter is the input to the second filter. It the first filter attenuates the signal amplitude by 7 DB and the second filter attenuates the signal amplitude by 3dB what is the amplitude of the sinusoid output from the second filter? What is the output signal amplitude in dBVRMS? What is the equivalent gain of the filters taken together in dB? |
| 05:44.16 | purple_cow | so |
| 05:44.33 | purple_cow | you have a 40 watt woobly signal going through two boxes, right? |
| 05:44.46 | zak | um sure |
| 05:45.13 | purple_cow | each of those boxes amplifies the signal |
| 05:45.23 | purple_cow | scanline: correct me if i'm just making stuff up ;-) |
| 05:45.30 | scanline | um |
| 05:45.34 | scanline | attenuate != amplify |
| 05:46.05 | scanline | zak: you can ignore the filter stuff, that's just a red herring. They're asking you to make a calculation in decibels |
| 05:46.43 | lurgy | scanline: well, i'll get it back then |
| 05:47.02 | zak | so the first one do a ratio of 10/7 and the second do answer/3? |
| 05:47.16 | scanline | no |
| 05:47.23 | scanline | decibels are logarithmic |
| 05:47.30 | lurgy | aha, not a current thingy |
| 05:47.36 | zak | with a 20*log(10/7) |
| 05:47.42 | lurgy | yay log |
| 05:47.44 | zak | and 20*log(ans/3) |
| 05:48.07 | scanline | well, you can combine the filters into a total amplification of -10dB IIRC |
| 05:48.28 | scanline | so it's something like 10V * log(-10 * some_constant) |
| 05:48.45 | zak | i am sure you do, but i don't so i think i will do it the longs way |
| 05:49.27 | scanline | hopefully you'll find the equivalent gain to be -10dB ;) |
| 05:50.26 | darth_mall | moo |
| 05:50.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:50.56 | kergoth | whats that mp3 player that ChipX86 had a link to.. the one that was kinda like the iriver model but that looked less crappy |
| 05:51.01 | kergoth | (visually, not feature wise) |
| 05:51.24 | darth_mall | Seth MacFarlane is such a coke head |
| 05:51.27 | lurgy | zak: yes, you can subtract those magnitudes when the filters are strung together |
| 05:51.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:51.33 | lurgy | so, -10dB |
| 05:51.51 | scanline | ah yes... dB = 10 log A |
| 05:51.53 | scanline | it's all coming back to me... |
| 05:52.02 | lurgy | scanline: 20, but close ;)\ |
| 05:52.05 | scanline | 20? |
| 05:52.10 | scanline | odd, this says 10 |
| 05:52.18 | ChipX86 | kergoth: iAudio |
| 05:52.22 | kergoth | ah right |
| 05:52.25 | lurgy | i think it's audio for sound waves |
| 05:52.28 | lurgy | er |
| 05:52.31 | lurgy | 10 for sound waves |
| 05:52.31 | darth_mall | moo? |
| 05:52.38 | lurgy | but 20 for electrothingies, for whatever reason |
| 05:52.48 | scanline | strange |
| 05:52.53 | darth_mall | moo! |
| 05:53.06 | lurgy | yeah |
| 05:53.10 | darth_mall | moo. |
| 05:53.36 | scanline | so your final amplitude would be 10V * 10^(-10 / 20)? |
| 05:54.37 | lurgy | iirc yes |
| 05:54.51 | scanline | lurgy: hm. 10 seems to make more sense. I'm pretty sure that 3db is approximately double, and 10**(3/10.0)==1.9952 |
| 05:55.06 | scanline | whereas 10**(3/20.0)==1.4125 |
| 05:55.07 | darth_mall | everybody dance! |
| 05:55.16 | lurgy | could be |
| 05:55.26 | scanline | strange in either case ;) |
| 05:55.54 | lurgy | yep |
| 05:56.02 | darth_mall | yep |
| 05:56.05 | scanline | yep |
| 05:56.12 | darth_mall | mmmmmmhmm |
| 05:59.20 | darth_mall | lurgy |
| 05:59.36 | kergoth | yay ratm |
| 06:01.12 | darth_mall | kergoth del muerte |
| 06:01.29 | lurgy | i think i'll call my paper.. |
| 06:01.34 | lurgy | "Crime and Punishment" |
| 06:08.19 | darth_mall | mooooo |
| 06:08.19 | kergoth | okay |
| 06:08.21 | darth_mall | lurgy: great idea |
| 06:08.28 | kergoth | having the window and sliding door open was refreshingly cool |
| 06:08.30 | kergoth | now its fucking cold |
| 06:15.52 | darth_mall | good god I love this show |
| 06:16.21 | darth_mall | what a coke head |
| 06:17.26 | kergoth | 00:16 < Ober> The Lesbian Farmers of America are wanting to Boycott Silos as they represent a phalocentric view |
| 06:17.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.32 | kergoth | 00:16 < Ober> but where else would we store our seed? |
| 06:17.34 | kergoth | 00:16 < boc> giant vaginal clusters |
| 06:17.48 | ChipX86 | does anyone know what psychiatrists normally cost? |
| 06:17.53 | darth_mall | rofl |
| 06:18.14 | purple_cow | there's a group named the Lesbian Farmers of America? |
| 06:18.21 | ChipX86 | apparently |
| 06:18.29 | darth_mall | ChipX86: I would imagine it depends on the shrink |
| 06:18.36 | scanline | there's a group named the Lesbian Farmers of America and it wasn't created for a game of Balderdash? |
| 06:19.22 | darth_mall | yay lesbian |
| 06:20.40 | kergoth | mm, juno reactor |
| 06:20.52 | darth_mall | mm, lesbian |
| 06:21.01 | ChipX86 | I'm going to agree with darth_mall |
| 06:21.43 | darth_mall | see? I'm just full of good idea |
| 06:21.44 | darth_mall | s |
| 06:21.50 | kergoth | you're full of something alright :) |
| 06:21.56 | darth_mall | lesbians? |
| 06:22.29 | ChipX86 | what the hell |
| 06:22.40 | ChipX86 | sci-fi just had the weirdest sci-fi commercial |
| 06:22.46 | kergoth | yay full of lesbians |
| 06:22.50 | kergoth | ChipX86: weirder than usual? |
| 06:22.52 | darth_mall | lesbians from mars? |
| 06:22.54 | ChipX86 | oh yes. |
| 06:23.13 | kergoth | lesbian farmers from mars. |
| 06:23.16 | ChipX86 | a guy picked up a poodle, raised his tail, and starting blowing into his butt. As he did this, the legs, head, and eventually the body turned into an animal balloon |
| 06:23.25 | kergoth | haha |
| 06:23.27 | darth_mall | lesbian poodle? |
| 06:23.27 | ChipX86 | er, not poodle.. chihuahua (sp?) |
| 06:23.40 | darth_mall | lesbian chihuahua |
| 06:23.43 | darth_mall | ? |
| 06:23.52 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: after an event like that, I'd think so |
| 06:24.15 | kergoth | lesbian chihuahuas being blown |
| 06:24.17 | kergoth | i love this channel |
| 06:24.20 | darth_mall | mm, lesbian |
| 06:25.03 | scanline | ChipX86: hah, my mom was complaining about that commercial last time I was at my parents' |
| 06:25.15 | ChipX86 | it's disturbing |
| 06:25.22 | scanline | sounds like it |
| 06:25.35 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6609 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add materials |
| 06:25.57 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6610 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: include toplevel material object in the worldObject definition |
| 06:29.01 | rioter | http://uploads.offtopic.com/files/jelly%20packet.JPG |
| 06:32.31 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r893 10mck/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Add an IObservableHolder interface for marking classes that may be home to some Observable.Value instances. Use this interface to guide HardwareSystem.valueCrawler |
| 06:33.12 | scanline | rioter: silly australia and their overloaded words |
| 06:34.16 | darth_mall | I need an evil monkey in my closet |
| 06:34.23 | ChipX86 | overloaded due to trademarks |
| 06:35.22 | ChipX86 | scanline: how many GB of transfer have you used so far? |
| 06:36.03 | scanline | looks like it just rolled over. only 29MB |
| 06:36.20 | ChipX86 | MB or GB? |
| 06:36.23 | scanline | MB |
| 06:36.31 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 06:36.35 | ChipX86 | oh, new month |
| 06:36.40 | scanline | yeah |
| 06:36.59 | scanline | about 11GB for the portion of last month when I actually had the account up |
| 06:37.32 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 06:37.35 | ChipX86 | I probably shouldn' |
| 06:37.40 | ChipX86 | shouldn't worry too much about that htne :) |
| 06:38.04 | purple_cow | god it's been a lovely day, everything's been going my way... |
| 06:39.06 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6611 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: make it prettier |
| 06:39.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:39.13 | darth_mall | purple_cow: could you close your door? |
| 06:39.56 | darth_mall | danke |
| 06:50.21 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r894 10mck/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:50.21 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: Fix lots of small buglets that have cropped up during this codebase's drastic |
| 06:50.21 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: transformation. Make internal sensor readers and micronet references in Entity |
| 06:50.21 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: private. Hooray, valueCrawler seems to be working correctly now. |
| 06:51.14 | scanline | woo, this is creepy introspection |
| 06:52.10 | scanline | the populate() function on the satellite object just creates instances of various hardware objects and sticks them in a tree.. then this crawls that tree and automagically pulls out all Observable.Value instances representing sensors or state machines |
| 06:53.15 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6612 10bzedit/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add river.bzw and fix some bugs so that we can correctly parse this file. woo! |
| 06:55.30 | scanline | slimspace|away: we can automagically get a tree of values out of the satellite now =) |
| 06:55.54 | scanline | and amazingly enough the Dummy mission actually runs if you don't try to initialize any of the hardware |
| 06:56.30 | scanline | yay Juno Reactor |
| 06:58.02 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 06:58.13 | purple_cow | it's trippy to run test_parse.py now :) |
| 06:58.19 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:58.32 | scanline | so there's this guy trying to build his own rasterwand-like device using a TI DSP |
| 06:58.39 | scanline | he asked a couple simple questions earlier |
| 06:58.44 | scanline | and now he's asking the big one :) |
| 06:58.54 | scanline | > Hmm, so would you mind explaining when exactly the magnet is triggered? |
| 06:58.54 | scanline | > I'm a bit confused as to what role the optical sensor plays... Does it |
| 06:58.54 | scanline | > pull the wand when the optical sensor is triggered and then shut off |
| 06:58.54 | scanline | > when the drawing has completed? When does drawing start, end, and |
| 06:58.54 | scanline | > restart going in the opposite direction? |
| 06:58.54 | purple_cow | what's the big one? |
| 06:58.58 | purple_cow | ah |
| 06:59.08 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:59.09 | scanline | so now I get to explain how my motion predictor works >:) |
| 07:07.33 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6613 10bzedit/scripts/ (BZFlag/Reader.py test_parse.py): add the ability to specify filename on the tester command line, fix a few more bugs to expand the range of parsability |
| 07:07.53 | ChipX86 | where's the repository path for galago svn? |
| 07:08.17 | scanline | /opt/svn/galago |
| 07:08.20 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 07:12.53 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:14.00 | ChipX86 | I can't seem to svnadmin dump that. |
| 07:14.15 | scanline | yeah, that has to be done as the apache user |
| 07:14.28 | ChipX86 | can you do that for me? |
| 07:14.33 | scanline | sure. want a full dump? |
| 07:14.35 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:14.39 | scanline | k |
| 07:14.41 | ChipX86 | I want to move all galago-related stuff to the new server, get it all in one place |
| 07:14.44 | scanline | ah, cool |
| 07:15.00 | ChipX86 | I appreciate the hosting :) |
| 07:15.09 | scanline | sure thing :) |
| 07:15.44 | ChipX86 | shame that the freedesktop.org hosting stuff had to be such a pain to work with |
| 07:16.38 | scanline | /tmp/galago-full.1477 |
| 07:18.20 | ChipX86 | I'm so glad I got linode hosting |
| 07:18.25 | scanline | me too |
| 07:18.40 | scanline | it's so handy having all the control |
| 07:18.50 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 07:19.00 | ChipX86 | I can't imagine getting standard hosting now |
| 07:19.12 | scanline | just out of curiosity, did you get that hotsanic goop working? |
| 07:19.16 | purple_cow | woohoo! |
| 07:19.18 | ChipX86 | yep :) |
| 07:19.20 | scanline | cool |
| 07:19.27 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/monitor/ |
| 07:19.40 | scanline | neato |
| 07:19.47 | ChipX86 | eep, forgot to rate limit |
| 07:19.54 | scanline | hehe, your io_tokens graph looks a lot less dangerous :) |
| 07:19.59 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 07:20.10 | scanline | rate limit? |
| 07:20.16 | ChipX86 | from navi |
| 07:20.23 | scanline | ah |
| 07:20.23 | ChipX86 | I'm going to bzip2 it too. I wasn't thinking about the size of it |
| 07:20.36 | scanline | yeah, that should help |
| 07:20.51 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py <-- is it just me, or is that WAY too complex? :) |
| 07:21.16 | scanline | purple_cow: now you need a DWG parser |
| 07:21.43 | purple_cow | scanline: no, i really don't |
| 07:21.55 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 07:21.55 | ChipX86 | http://comments.deviantart.com/1/14690859/106945438 |
| 07:22.03 | ChipX86 | scanline: oops |
| 07:22.06 | ChipX86 | I meant to remove that |
| 07:22.09 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:22.11 | ChipX86 | I just used your setup :) |
| 07:22.18 | ChipX86 | I love that comment |
| 07:22.37 | rioter | mmm a tyre that runs without air preasure |
| 07:23.05 | scanline | rioter: they've had those for a long time on Hot Wheels cars |
| 07:23.36 | rioter | watching some press release from michilan about it |
| 07:24.21 | purple_cow | bah. misspelling tire, calling jello jelly. what will you crazy aussies mess up next? |
| 07:24.32 | ChipX86 | french fries |
| 07:24.50 | rioter | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/01/03/automobiles/03tweel.1.jpg |
| 07:25.04 | purple_cow | ChipX86: i'm sure they call them chips |
| 07:25.14 | rioter | yeah |
| 07:25.17 | rioter | french fries = chips |
| 07:25.23 | rioter | color = colour |
| 07:25.28 | rioter | mom = mum |
| 07:25.32 | rioter | etc |
| 07:25.50 | purple_cow | those don't bother me so much because they're britishisms |
| 07:26.06 | rioter | do i have to paste the photo again :P |
| 07:26.28 | purple_cow | rioter: we're not disputing the fact that you call it jelly, we're just saying that it's stupid to do so |
| 07:26.35 | scanline | exactly |
| 07:26.35 | ChipX86 | ooh, I didn't show scanline my new fyre pretties |
| 07:26.46 | scanline | oh no |
| 07:26.47 | rioter | no, using 2 words for the 1 product is silly :) |
| 07:27.03 | scanline | rioter: but jelly and jello are very distinct items. You're using one word for both |
| 07:27.10 | rioter | no were not |
| 07:27.23 | purple_cow | scanline: i'm sure they have some other messed up word for jelly |
| 07:27.26 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:27.26 | rioter | jam |
| 07:27.34 | rioter | jelly = jam in australia |
| 07:27.34 | scanline | but jam and jelly aren't quite the same thing |
| 07:27.37 | purple_cow | jam != jelly |
| 07:27.48 | rioter | i think what you call jam is called a preserve over here |
| 07:27.57 | scanline | heh! |
| 07:28.02 | scanline | we could go in circles like this all day |
| 07:28.07 | ChipX86 | what's preserve? |
| 07:28.07 | scanline | what do you call preserves, meatloaf? |
| 07:28.27 | purple_cow | i guess they just think completely backwards due to being in the wrong hemisphere |
| 07:28.28 | rioter | whats a preserve in america land? |
| 07:28.49 | scanline | it's fruit right, that's been preserved |
| 07:29.15 | rioter | we call that preserved fruit, for some odd reason |
| 07:29.16 | purple_cow | jam and jelly are both preserves |
| 07:29.42 | rioter | do you guys have marmalade? |
| 07:29.44 | scanline | jam tends to include chunky-ish bits of fruit though, while jelly is smooth |
| 07:29.49 | purple_cow | jelly is fortified with pectin |
| 07:29.57 | ChipX86 | rioter: we call it forks |
| 07:30.01 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 07:30.05 | purple_cow | rioter: yes |
| 07:34.52 | scanline | hrm.. I should prolly do the physics stuff I've been procrastinating nicely |
| 07:35.53 | ChipX86 | http://osiris.chipx86.com/fyre/ |
| 07:38.35 | scanline | mmmm |
| 07:38.47 | rioter | ChipX86 is that hosted externaly |
| 07:38.52 | scanline | spiral_brush is probably my favorite |
| 07:38.56 | ChipX86 | rioter: yeah |
| 07:38.59 | scanline | but it's a close tie with spirits_returning_home |
| 07:39.06 | rioter | mmm |
| 07:39.13 | rioter | wonder why chipx86 doesnt resolve for me |
| 07:39.18 | ChipX86 | for me, it's spiral brush, spirits returning home, and then hell spiral |
| 07:39.43 | scanline | chipX86; now you just need a big cluster to make 1600x1200 smooth oversampled renders :) |
| 07:39.49 | ChipX86 | I really do |
| 07:39.59 | scanline | or even print-resolution renders |
| 07:40.11 | ChipX86 | I'm fresh out of clusters though |
| 07:40.15 | scanline | me too :( |
| 07:40.22 | ChipX86 | oh, is there a win32 build of the new fyre? |
| 07:40.27 | scanline | not yet |
| 07:40.31 | ChipX86 | because gaea's just sitting there looking sexy |
| 07:40.42 | scanline | need to get around to actually getting a working gnet build on windows |
| 07:41.10 | ChipX86 | hurray for my penguin and ufo pic being 2 people's favorites |
| 07:41.34 | ChipX86 | that's one of my favorite drawings :) |
| 07:41.46 | purple_cow | oh no! |
| 07:41.52 | purple_cow | someone's encroaching on my lead on CIA |
| 07:41.54 | scanline | aha |
| 07:42.00 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: oh no to the MAX! |
| 07:42.10 | purple_cow | ooh, i like rose.png |
| 07:42.21 | ChipX86 | yay, 3 people's! :) |
| 07:42.28 | purple_cow | some_spiral_1 is very sexy too |
| 07:42.40 | ChipX86 | I'm going to put most of those up on deviantart |
| 07:42.44 | purple_cow | :) |
| 07:42.49 | scanline | firefox needs an "open in fyre" context menu thingy |
| 07:42.53 | ChipX86 | scanline: yep |
| 07:43.30 | scanline | I've never seen fyre produce anything like spiral_brush before |
| 07:43.41 | ChipX86 | scanline: I know, I couldn't believe I found that |
| 07:43.44 | scanline | I'm amazed that we're still finding crazy new things in the same tiny little equation :) |
| 07:43.56 | purple_cow | scanline: me too |
| 07:44.02 | ChipX86 | I saw spiral brush and was just in awe |
| 07:44.13 | ChipX86 | I'm taking suggestions for better names |
| 07:44.27 | scanline | hmm, spiral_brush has a twin |
| 07:44.40 | purple_cow | twin? |
| 07:44.46 | ChipX86 | there are two spiral brushes in that image |
| 07:44.49 | scanline | yeah |
| 07:45.10 | scanline | yay for emphasize_transient :) |
| 07:45.13 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 07:45.50 | scanline | yeah, I dont' experiment nearly enough with emphasize transient and large values for the transient iterations |
| 07:46.20 | scanline | good for capturing an image out of a fixed point without removing too much detail |
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| 07:51.01 | sbahra | :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
| 07:51.01 | sbahra | I wasn't here :( |
| 07:51.01 | scanline | wow |
| 07:51.01 | scanline | chipX86: very finicky parameters on spiral_brush. if it's a little off you don't get anything even close to that effect |
| 07:51.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:51.01 | scanline | ooh, there's a neat triangular limit cycle nearby |
| 07:51.01 | scanline | as you get close to it, the spiral distorts nicely |
| 07:51.01 | ChipX86 | hey there's a neat pattern |
| 07:51.22 | scanline | ooh |
| 07:51.25 | purple_cow | ohh man, i've got a winner here |
| 07:51.42 | purple_cow | he wants me to get xchat-gnome into the "debian reps" so that people will become interested in the project and fork it to be an irssi frontend |
| 07:51.50 | scanline | .... |
| 07:51.57 | ChipX86 | hahahaa |
| 07:52.15 | purple_cow | just what i want, users *and* people forking my code |
| 07:53.03 | ChipX86 | I haven't played with the animations yet |
| 07:53.17 | scanline | they're far too much fun, you wouldn't like them ;) |
| 07:53.25 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 07:53.27 | ChipX86 | why's that? |
| 07:53.31 | scanline | tooooo much fun! |
| 07:53.36 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:53.45 | purple_cow | hmms |
| 07:53.57 | scanline | and worst of all, the animation editor no longer crashes when you look at it wrong |
| 07:54.00 | purple_cow | scanline: our bifurcation diagram cellrenderer doesn't respect emphasize_transient |
| 07:54.07 | scanline | purple_cow: yep |
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| 07:54.22 | ChipX86 | nullpuppy! |
| 07:54.57 | nullpuppy | chippy! |
| 07:56.05 | scanline | and it would probably only take about an hour per frame |
| 07:57.18 | scanline | mmm |
| 07:57.26 | scanline | chipX86: you need to see this when it's done :) |
| 07:57.33 | scanline | which will be quite shortly it seems |
| 07:57.40 | scanline | at least for this low-quality render |
| 07:57.54 | ChipX86 | cool :) |
| 07:59.02 | scanline | bleh. these low-quality fyre renderings compress so awfully |
| 07:59.59 | ChipX86 | gif! |
| 08:00.00 | purple_cow | heh, yep, winner |
| 08:00.08 | ChipX86 | oh crap, it's February |
| 08:00.08 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/accretion-disc.avi |
| 08:00.09 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/accretion-disc.fa |
| 08:00.19 | purple_cow | he tells me the xchat core is featureless compared to irssi, i challenge him to name an important feature missing, and he's silent |
| 08:00.34 | purple_cow | eek, it's not in /navi |
| 08:00.55 | scanline | for tons of added fun, there's "fyre --screensaver -n accretion-disc.fa" |
| 08:01.01 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 08:01.41 | purple_cow | and when scanline says tons, he means metric tonnes, not those wimpy imperial tons |
| 08:01.48 | scanline | yep |
| 08:01.55 | scanline | fun equal to the amount of RAM used |
| 08:02.18 | nullpuppy | and the load caused because of it? :) |
| 08:02.34 | scanline | load average shouldn't be too bad, but it will eat up 100% CPU |
| 08:02.36 | ChipX86 | I think maybe I'll work from home tomorrow |
| 08:03.16 | ChipX86 | some_spiral_1 is now known as Spinning Peacock |
| 08:03.21 | scanline | =) |
| 08:04.38 | scanline | purple_cow: wow, that guy is indeed a winner |
| 08:05.44 | scanline | :) |
| 08:07.27 | ChipX86 | wow, this guy's a master at english |
| 08:07.37 | ChipX86 | comment to one of my posts: |
| 08:07.37 | ChipX86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.37 | ChipX86 | ...u can do best more than ..i know ...so |
| 08:07.38 | ChipX86 | go on>> |
| 08:08.04 | scanline | ha |
| 08:09.30 | ChipX86 | neat animation |
| 08:09.55 | scanline | there's a lot of cool stuff near spiral_brush :) |
| 08:10.11 | ChipX86 | yeah :) |
| 08:10.23 | ChipX86 | I would have saved more, but I felt I was getting repetitive |
| 08:12.03 | ChipX86 | it's taking days to get the galago site up. Stupid art :) |
| 08:12.10 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:18.07 | ChipX86 | perhaps if I kill my neighbors, it'll inspire me |
| 08:18.12 | ChipX86 | or at least get the horrible buzzing to stop |
| 08:18.20 | scanline | yay, kill |
| 08:22.42 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:23.13 | scanline | just browsing through the fractal section on deviantart, there are a few that look like they could be Fyre renderings |
| 08:23.59 | scanline | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14711582/ |
| 08:24.19 | scanline | this one looks a lot like a really low-quality fyre rendering, but it has no metadata so the world may never know... |
| 08:24.48 | scanline | lots of really cool IFS fractals in here |
| 08:25.00 | ChipX86 | could be apophysis |
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| 08:27.08 | scanline | ahh, yeah |
| 08:27.38 | scanline | I see a few that mention apophysis but look quite a bit like some results I got running fyre on a different equation with some hyperbolic tangents and such |
| 08:30.57 | ChipX86 | must find a sketchpad |
| 08:34.40 | purple_cow | yay, new episode |
| 08:35.04 | scanline | hmm, apophysis uses the same rendering engine as electric sheep |
| 08:35.23 | scanline | very similar algorithm to fyre's |
| 08:35.51 | ChipX86 | runs great in vmware |
| 08:35.55 | scanline | and in wine :) |
| 08:35.59 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 08:36.23 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:36.29 | scanline | and the UI is completely different from fyre :) |
| 08:36.44 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:36.47 | scanline | no real-time progressive rendering |
| 08:37.13 | scanline | with how similar the rendering stage of the algorithm is, it shouldn't be that hard to implement |
| 08:38.20 | scanline | hmm, I guess the 'mutation' dialog does a really limited amount of progressive rendering |
| 08:38.34 | scanline | but still, it's a little annoying not to be able to just grab the image and play with it |
| 08:39.31 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 08:40.18 | scanline | fyre needs a good way to produce color images, but that will probably have to wait for 2.0.. there really isn't an obvious way to do it, and we'd need a really flexible GUI to allow many non-obvious ways |
| 08:42.43 | ChipX86 | no inspiration tonight |
| 08:44.38 | scanline | purple_cow: new you say... |
| 08:45.15 | scanline | bleh, I'm going to get very little sleep tonight at this rate |
| 08:47.12 | purple_cow | hmm, this episode is them going back and retrying a lot of the 1st season ones |
| 08:52.31 | ChipX86 | deciding on flowers is not easy |
| 08:58.03 | purple_cow | it's a decent episode |
| 08:58.10 | purple_cow | they're addressing everyone's concerns from the 1st season :) |
| 08:58.51 | scanline | =) |
| 08:59.16 | purple_cow | they're doing the cell phone |
| 08:59.24 | scanline | neat. transmitting this time? |
| 08:59.36 | purple_cow | one kind of disappointing thing is that they have a big team to build everything rather than doing it themselves |
| 08:59.43 | scanline | aw |
| 08:59.59 | purple_cow | scanline: they measured it and found that they're getting the same power output both when it sends out a call and recieves |
| 09:00.04 | scanline | ah |
| 09:01.04 | purple_cow | one theory someone gave them was aftermarket batteries shorting |
| 09:01.09 | scanline | haha |
| 09:01.14 | purple_cow | which sounds the most logical |
| 09:01.27 | scanline | yeah, but you could say that about anything electric |
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| 09:03.37 | rioter | purple_cow a `hot` build team though |
| 09:04.04 | rioter | and thats all that matters |
| 09:04.12 | purple_cow | heh |
| 09:05.42 | ChipX86 | http://www.ftd.com/528/catalog/enlarged_image.epl?product_id=C52-3037&h=370&w=330&popup=1&product_country= |
| 09:20.49 | ChipX86 | http://www.ftd.com/528/catalog/product.epl?product_id=B1-3706 |
| 09:26.45 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 09:26.49 | purple_cow | now he's scanline's problem! |
| 09:26.53 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 09:29.42 | scanline | blehhh |
| 09:32.47 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6614 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/BUGS: add a triviality here to test CIA's alacrity |
| 09:34.21 | rioter | that has to be the worlds first commit with the world alacrity in it haha |
| 09:34.39 | purple_cow | it's a good word :P |
| 09:42.00 | purple_cow | ~UGT |
| 09:42.01 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. |
| 09:42.24 | scanline | ooh, the new chicken results are great |
| 09:42.33 | purple_cow | uhhuh |
| 09:43.05 | rioter | wish you guys liked death metal, you would love this song, most techincal song ive heard in ages |
| 09:43.21 | purple_cow | rioter: obviously you haven't been listening to pistolero |
| 09:43.30 | scanline | ooh, ancient death ray next week |
| 09:43.50 | rioter | do you guys want a site with most of the torrents for that show? |
| 09:43.54 | purple_cow | scanline: I bet by "death ray" they really mean "optical pump" |
| 09:44.02 | purple_cow | rioter: if you're talking about digitaldistractions, i've got them |
| 09:44.06 | purple_cow | it's just the torrents are being slow |
| 09:44.09 | rioter | ah |
| 09:44.15 | scanline | purple_cow: hehe, I hope so |
| 09:44.16 | rioter | death ray = mirrors |
| 09:44.36 | purple_cow | rioter: bah, let us revel in our obscure macgyver references |
| 09:44.45 | rioter | alrighty |
| 09:46.43 | purple_cow | scanline: spiraling shape |
| 09:46.52 | scanline | too short |
| 09:47.13 | purple_cow | mplayer -loop 0 |
| 09:47.47 | scanline | too long |
| 09:47.58 | purple_cow | mplayer -loop 40? |
| 09:48.08 | scanline | needs sound |
| 09:48.23 | purple_cow | /navi/media/audio/groups/The_Dresden_Dolls/ ;) |
| 09:48.28 | scanline | :) |
| 09:49.40 | purple_cow | haha |
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| 09:49.48 | purple_cow | in that whole big splat of information, it doesn't have his distro |
| 09:50.02 | rioter | jjj used to play them all the time |
| 09:51.45 | purple_cow | they're worth playing all the time |
| 09:52.10 | rioter | <3 triple j |
| 09:52.28 | purple_cow | it's rare to find a group that can do so much dissonance and still make it |
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| 09:54.54 | scanline | :) |
| 09:57.12 | purple_cow | i love that they managed to fit an activity LED in the istick |
| 09:57.28 | scanline | :) |
| 09:57.46 | purple_cow | hah, it gets a little warm after a big write |
| 09:59.01 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 09:59.11 | purple_cow | this guy is priceless |
| 10:00.25 | scanline | :) |
| 10:00.42 | scanline | huh. it'd be nice if they told you where this homework was supposed to come from |
| 10:00.56 | scanline | these problem numbers don't match any of the books that I wasted my money on for this crappy class |
| 10:13.29 | purple_cow | hahahahahaha |
| 10:13.58 | purple_cow | it's gonna be hard to fall asleep after laughing this hard :( |
| 10:14.36 | rioter | what you watching? |
| 10:14.47 | purple_cow | #xchat-gnome :P |
| 10:14.58 | rioter | oh whats so amusing in there |
| 10:15.14 | purple_cow | some clown |
| 10:15.23 | rioter | ah ok |
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| 15:16.11 | pagefault | yay |
| 15:16.15 | pagefault | diablo-d3 is back in #zsnes |
| 15:16.18 | pagefault | and he has nfi again |
| 15:29.01 | scanline | what's wrong with me... |
| 15:29.05 | scanline | woke up before my alarm again |
| 15:29.13 | scanline | though just barely |
| 15:30.04 | pagefault | internal alarm |
| 15:30.44 | pagefault | bbl |
| 15:35.06 | darth_mall | wow, I love getting up so I can take a luke warm shower that is cold by the time I get out |
| 15:41.21 | purple_cow | scanline is amazingly good at being in the shower right as i get up |
| 15:41.44 | darth_mall | that's probably because I get out of the shower just before you get up |
| 15:42.04 | purple_cow | arr! |
| 15:45.28 | scanline | god damn |
| 15:45.33 | scanline | I had goosebumps *everywhere* |
| 15:45.37 | scanline | I hate this hot water heater |
| 15:47.09 | darth_mall | scanline: me too |
| 15:47.26 | scanline | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:52.23 | scanline | hehe.. yay for this monty python calendar |
| 15:52.29 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 15:52.55 | darth_mall | The Minibosses make me happy |
| 15:53.43 | darth_mall | you mean a jukebox? |
| 15:54.01 | scanline | both fine choices |
| 15:54.16 | darth_mall | scanline: you can be your own musickal kajigger |
| 15:54.38 | darth_mall | it's really easy |
| 15:55.19 | purple_cow | hah, that guy stayed for almost a half hour trying to convince us |
| 15:56.04 | scanline | haha |
| 15:56.49 | scanline | wow, weird |
| 15:56.56 | scanline | purple_cow is still king of CIA |
| 15:57.10 | purple_cow | r0x0r |
| 15:57.32 | scanline | 11184 hits to the thumbnail cache... |
| 15:57.42 | scanline | and the daemon has almost 18 hours of uptime! woo! |
| 15:57.50 | purple_cow | wow |
| 15:59.51 | purple_cow | darth_mall: it serves you right, for kissing little girls, but i'll visit, if you miss me |
| 16:00.07 | scanline | it'd be nice to see per-URL cache hit/miss stats for apache's mod_disk_cache |
| 16:01.28 | darth_mall | we should be leaving in a minute, you guys should get your coffee if you're going to |
| 16:01.45 | file[laptop] | trying to travel back in time now are we? |
| 16:01.57 | scanline | forward or backward |
| 16:02.05 | file[laptop] | excellent idea |
| 16:31.34 | lurgy | heh |
| 16:33.21 | lurgy | hey look, i guess i'm playing in the puccini.. |
| 16:33.34 | slimspace | hi lurgy |
| 16:33.46 | file[laptop] | hi slimspace and lurgy |
| 16:34.43 | lurgy | morning |
| 16:35.15 | TD | ChipX86_: ping |
| 16:35.17 | TD | hi guys |
| 16:35.19 | TD | anybody know the URL of chips wonderful home page? |
| 16:35.20 | TD | the one that makes you want to puke ... |
| 16:36.00 | file[laptop] | I have a worse one |
| 16:36.12 | file[laptop] | http://www.aa20.com/ |
| 16:36.18 | file[laptop] | a guy who does web hosting... and stuff |
| 16:36.51 | TD | hjahahaha |
| 16:36.53 | TD | that's great |
| 16:36.55 | purple_cow | lurgy: best conversation ever |
| 16:36.58 | purple_cow | lurgy: or something |
| 16:37.07 | file[laptop] | Housting! |
| 16:37.13 | file[laptop] | Would you like some web housting? |
| 16:37.13 | lurgy | hehe |
| 16:37.14 | lurgy | indeed |
| 16:37.23 | TD | here is a sampel of my work |
| 16:37.24 | TD | haha |
| 16:37.55 | file[laptop] | it makes me want to die |
| 16:38.22 | TD | it's got to be a joke |
| 16:38.28 | TD | i'd still like to see chips tho |
| 16:38.37 | TD | we're discussing web designs for our 2nd year project |
| 16:39.11 | scanline | why oh why is this still about use cases? |
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| 16:39.35 | file[laptop] | wifi doesn't like me ;( |
| 16:40.36 | darth_mall | purple_cow is too far away to harass |
| 16:41.19 | purple_cow | GUIs are hard to program? what is this guy smoking? |
| 16:41.20 | scanline | lies! |
| 16:41.31 | file[laptop] | where are you? |
| 16:42.39 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I'm not quite sure what to think of this one. |
| 16:42.45 | ToyKeeper | http://z.xyzz.org/flares-2.2.jpg |
| 16:43.00 | scanline | slimspace: the Dummy mission actually starts now :) |
| 16:43.13 | slimspace | ooh |
| 16:43.14 | pagefault | potato |
| 16:43.16 | slimspace | :) :) |
| 16:43.20 | scanline | slimspace: and the crawler is finding all the right paths at which observable.value instances live |
| 16:43.39 | scanline | try something like: |
| 16:43.43 | scanline | for path in self.valueCrawler: |
| 16:43.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.54 | purple_cow | ToyKeeper: i like it much better on top of white |
| 16:44.03 | purple_cow | but that's just me |
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| 16:44.10 | slimspace | nice! |
| 16:44.13 | scanline | it will do a sorted depth-first-search over valid observable.value instances that can be reached through LazyTrees and IObservableHolders |
| 16:44.49 | scanline | I'd still like to fix LazyTree so it uses weakrefs.. currently if you ask the satellite for a path that doesn't exist, it will create all branches leading to it still |
| 16:45.37 | ToyKeeper | I like the transient options... they really add a lot to the program. |
| 16:45.42 | scanline | yup |
| 16:45.53 | ToyKeeper | http://z.xyzz.org/solflower-1.png |
| 16:46.01 | scanline | the shift-Z and shift-G tools are quite useful |
| 16:47.15 | scanline | ToyKeeper: wow, very nice |
| 16:47.28 | scanline | is that radial initial conditions? |
| 16:47.30 | ToyKeeper | I mostly just hover the mouse over a spinner box, and twist knobs. (circular scroll on a synaptics touchpad is helpful here) |
| 16:47.38 | scanline | I don't think I've seen an image that made good use of radial yet :)" |
| 16:47.51 | ToyKeeper | Yes, that was radial. |
| 16:47.55 | scanline | cool |
| 16:48.15 | purple_cow | hmm, 1.5 hours left on this battery |
| 16:48.19 | purple_cow | that's not bad |
| 16:48.38 | ToyKeeper | IIRC, that's straight from fyre, so you should be able to load it and get parameters. |
| 16:48.52 | scanline | cool. might try that when I'm on something a bit faster than this laptop |
| 16:49.09 | scanline | also, fyre burns straight through this thing's battery |
| 16:49.28 | scanline | not that it has any real battery life either way... |
| 16:51.17 | darth_mall | and I can't get one of them working |
| 16:52.41 | scanline | this is tricky... |
| 16:53.00 | scanline | it's like instead of a normal weakref, I need to be notified when the refcount of an object drops to 1 |
| 16:53.16 | scanline | might have to use the gc module to check that |
| 16:53.57 | darth_mall | ugh... this Caete stuff is getting on my nerves |
| 16:54.09 | scanline | ToyKeeper: noooo :) |
| 16:54.35 | darth_mall | is there a way to have gnuplot graph line segments? |
| 16:54.38 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i don't mind it so much as the fact that the stuff he's talking about has very little to do with OO analysis |
| 16:55.49 | scanline | mmmyep |
| 17:00.34 | scanline | ugg |
| 17:00.36 | scanline | it's only been 30 min? |
| 17:02.04 | darth_mall | goddammit |
| 17:07.20 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r895 10mck/PyMCK/ (Hardware/Micronet/Entity.py Types.py): fixed some bugs in the TreeCrawler preventing reference by crawler['foo.bar.something'] to work |
| 17:07.28 | purple_cow | it's a good thing he's giving us a full enumeration of these examples rather than just a couple representative pieces |
| 17:07.57 | darth_mall | how many examples of use cases do you need? it's not that difficult a concept |
| 17:08.23 | purple_cow | darth_mall: obviously more than 3 |
| 17:10.43 | pagefault | ooh |
| 17:10.50 | pagefault | I got my tax slip from freenode |
| 17:10.54 | pagefault | too bad I can't use it here |
| 17:13.05 | darth_mall | arg! |
| 17:13.07 | darth_mall | I give up |
| 17:13.38 | scanline | guh |
| 17:13.45 | scanline | I should email this prof about the curriculum |
| 17:13.52 | slimspace | we all should... |
| 17:13.59 | scanline | yeah |
| 17:14.51 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6615 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: update for cvs changes |
| 17:17.28 | pagefault | boo database class |
| 17:17.47 | purple_cow | darth_mall: what project is this? |
| 17:18.04 | purple_cow | ooh, that's some trippy ghosting |
| 17:18.07 | scanline | good god... |
| 17:18.27 | scanline | this class is teaching use cases like they're a programming language |
| 17:18.33 | scanline | and it's taking for-freaking-ever |
| 17:18.48 | slimspace | so is he ever actually going to get to OOP? |
| 17:19.19 | scanline | awww |
| 17:19.25 | scanline | hasattr() is implemented via getattr() |
| 17:19.34 | purple_cow | slimspace: i thought he was heading in that direction when he mentioned the tenuous relationship between use cases and responsibilities, but i guess he decided we didn't know enough about use cases to understand that |
| 17:19.45 | slimspace | mmm... |
| 17:20.23 | scanline | 4A GOTO 4A2A1 |
| 17:20.45 | ToyKeeper | From Bruce Schiener... http://www.syslog.com/~jwilson/pics-i-like/kurios119.jpg "As this photo shows, it doesn't matter what kind of security you implement if it's easy to get around" |
| 17:21.13 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6616 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ChangeLog: add darth_mall, 'cuz he's cute when he's bored |
| 17:22.08 | scanline | hah. python's __builtins__ module is all one C file |
| 17:22.16 | scanline | and only 2400 lines |
| 17:23.04 | ToyKeeper | I was rather surprised when I found out python uses arrays to implement lists. |
| 17:23.15 | scanline | it's not that odd |
| 17:23.34 | scanline | people expect indexing to be fast |
| 17:23.41 | ToyKeeper | It's just a leaky abstraction... but it's good to know that .append() is a *lot* faster than .insert(0) |
| 17:23.44 | scanline | it would be confusing if they behaved like linked lists |
| 17:23.49 | slimspace | scanline: is there a way for us to get a list of the possible states for an observable value from remote calls? |
| 17:23.51 | scanline | nod |
| 17:24.15 | scanline | slimspace: if it's an Observable.Enum instance, you can retrieve the enum's list of allowed values |
| 17:24.39 | scanline | that's the proper level to implement it at, rather than the state level |
| 17:25.31 | slimspace | ok. I'll probably add an extention on to either remote_listValues or remote_getValues (or add another function) to get the possible states then. |
| 17:26.03 | scanline | just out of curiosity, when is the GUI going to present the set of allowable contents for an observable.enum? |
| 17:26.19 | slimspace | very soon, that's what I'm working on now. |
| 17:26.25 | scanline | well, I mean in what context |
| 17:26.31 | slimspace | oh |
| 17:26.43 | slimspace | Probably when you click on a button that says "Change State" |
| 17:26.56 | scanline | ah, yes.. would be helpful then |
| 17:26.57 | slimspace | it'll show it in a dialog that will let you configure it and stuff. |
| 17:27.27 | scanline | but it might suck a lot to have a round trip in there just to show the change state dialog or whatever |
| 17:27.41 | scanline | we might want to send that along with the observable.value's name and path when they're first enumerated |
| 17:27.54 | slimspace | right, so I figured I would get all the states along with the synchronization, so we only do that once. |
| 17:28.00 | scanline | k |
| 17:28.20 | scanline | maybe it's worth making Observable.Value copyable? |
| 17:28.28 | slimspace | yes, definitely |
| 17:28.45 | scanline | k. that should keep things clean when we need subclass-specific details |
| 17:29.09 | slimspace | hmm...it might be useful to have a single function that will return a list of observable values, their allowed states (if they're enums), and their current value, all in one shot, so we don't have to kepe transmitting names of values up. |
| 17:29.24 | scanline | eh |
| 17:29.37 | scanline | for initial synchronization we just need a mapping from path to instance |
| 17:29.51 | scanline | then if the instance is copyable we can have it send its own name, enum values, and such |
| 17:30.15 | scanline | as for current values, I wouldn't worry about it too much... I have a feeling this will change once we have sensor logging |
| 17:30.35 | purple_cow | darth_mall: did you pollute the coffee again? |
| 17:30.42 | scanline | the way I envision sensors working eventually is that the HardwareSystem object walks all observable.values and installs observers that log to a ring buffer or something |
| 17:30.44 | slimspace | maybe, but it would be useful to be able to display current states right after synchronization on the main screen. |
| 17:30.55 | scanline | then on synchronization we just grab whatever portions of that ring buffer we haven't seen |
| 17:30.57 | purple_cow | hmm, "final relationship" |
| 17:31.13 | slimspace | hmm, I like that |
| 17:31.43 | scanline | slimspace: the ground software can use that buffer section to update the most recent values (only for those that have changed) and to update full-mission logs on disk |
| 17:32.01 | slimspace | would that go for states as well? |
| 17:32.03 | scanline | slimspace: the initial values will come down through the copied Observable.Value instances on synchronization |
| 17:32.07 | scanline | yes, any value subclass |
| 17:32.15 | slimspace | ah |
| 17:32.15 | scanline | so that will also log state transitions |
| 17:32.24 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I did put cinnamon in it, if you don't like it that way you should just say so |
| 17:32.38 | slimspace | scanline: so we'll really have a log of everything the satellite does, right down to state transitions. :) |
| 17:32.44 | scanline | slimspace: right |
| 17:33.01 | scanline | slimspace: hence the ring buffer aspect, since it might get pretty big otherwise |
| 17:33.28 | scanline | we'd probably size the buffer so that under normal radio contact circumstances we wouldn't miss any data, but it's bounded so that if we do end up with a huge number of events we don't fill up the disk |
| 17:33.38 | purple_cow | darth_mall: not a big fan ;) |
| 17:33.48 | slimspace | scanline: nod |
| 17:33.50 | scanline | darth_mall: it is a little on the weird side |
| 17:34.21 | slimspace | scanline: so then in this remote_getValue function, we'd end up changing that to instead of returning the value, actually return the observable value itself. |
| 17:34.45 | scanline | slimspace: what I'd *really* like to do is an rrdtool-style buffer, so that we get high-res data whenever possible, but if that overflows we still have lower resolution minima, maxima, and averages |
| 17:35.06 | scanline | slimspace: you probably don't even need that, just a function that returns a dict mapping paths to value instances |
| 17:35.25 | scanline | slimspace: that will populate the ground software's tree, then it can use this log to update it |
| 17:35.25 | slimspace | yeah...less wasted bandwidth transferring names up. |
| 17:35.33 | slimspace | cool |
| 17:35.43 | scanline | and most importantly, only one round trip |
| 17:35.44 | slimspace | ok, I'll implement that and get an initial current-value sync going. |
| 17:35.50 | scanline | remember, latency is going to be really extreme |
| 17:35.55 | slimspace | right |
| 17:36.27 | scanline | not like we're on Mars or anything, but it will be at least 0.5 second, and probably more like 2 or 3 seconds |
| 17:36.45 | slimspace | right. Which, all things considered, isn't bad, but the lower, the better. |
| 17:36.56 | scanline | it will be interesting trying out different transports under pb once we start testing this with radios |
| 17:37.04 | slimspace | mmm, yeah |
| 17:38.45 | scanline | I'm starting to think LazyTree is dangerous in a way that can't be easily fixed |
| 17:38.55 | slimspace | Will there be any problems making Observable.Value copyable, considering it has bound methods? |
| 17:39.16 | purple_cow | god damn |
| 17:39.20 | scanline | slimspace: we'd want it to define its own serialization and deserialization functions, which would be overridden by Observable.Enum |
| 17:39.25 | purple_cow | has he really spend 75 minutes talking about nothing? |
| 17:39.35 | purple_cow | or is it just me? |
| 17:39.39 | scanline | purple_cow: mmmyep |
| 17:39.44 | slimspace | purple_cow: no, it's not just you. |
| 17:39.53 | scanline | purple_cow: it's like seinfeld, but without the comedy |
| 17:40.51 | scanline | woo, my laptop isn't dead |
| 17:41.29 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r896 10mck/ (Cx/Hardware/Satellite.py PyMCK/Satellite.py): quick ground software updates, needs more work |
| 18:00.55 | purple_cow | time to put an osx copy of blender on my istick :) |
| 18:03.50 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault_ (~pagefault@66.199.241.90) |
| 18:04.43 | purple_cow | it's so great having a little 1gb disk to carry around |
| 18:06.08 | purple_cow | mmm, very cool |
| 18:06.15 | purple_cow | i can just run blender from the stick :) |
| 18:06.28 | darth_mall | hahahaha! I have finally conquered this foolish assignment |
| 18:08.25 | purple_cow | darth_mall: which assignment? |
| 18:12.29 | darth_mall | purple_cow: it's the fractal one, where you make the tree |
| 18:13.02 | purple_cow | ah |
| 18:13.53 | darth_mall | wow... that's kind of a neat image |
| 18:14.04 | lurgy | yay neat image |
| 18:14.56 | lurgy | :) |
| 18:20.39 | purple_cow | aww, i can't run gimp directly from the istick |
| 18:20.45 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:21.01 | kergoth_ | i've had 'missed me' from the dresden dolls stuck in my head all damn day |
| 18:23.01 | purple_cow | good song :) |
| 18:23.25 | kergoth_ | yeah, itd be nice if my memory recalled more than like 3 lines though |
| 18:23.27 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 18:26.50 | darth_mall | kergoth: I've been walking around humming the Castlevania theme all day |
| 18:26.59 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 18:27.00 | darth_mall | whereby "all day" I mean since I got up |
| 18:32.24 | slimspace | yay, Observable is copyable now |
| 18:32.45 | darth_mall | mmm... Ninja Gaiden |
| 18:32.49 | darth_mall | what a great theme |
| 18:34.24 | purple_cow | mmmm |
| 18:34.25 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/school/MUSC4081/project1/ |
| 18:34.31 | purple_cow | yay text-transform |
| 18:39.31 | ToyKeeper | I gave trae a theremin for his birthday. |
| 18:40.05 | darth_mall | wow |
| 18:40.18 | darth_mall | so I discovered some parameters for this fractal tree that make it look kind of like a Koch curve |
| 18:40.27 | purple_cow | ToyKeeper: that's just some ungreek right now |
| 18:40.36 | purple_cow | ToyKeeper: i'm writing up some more useful text atm |
| 18:41.31 | ToyKeeper | Ah.. text-transform as in CSS, not like rot13. :) |
| 18:42.07 | darth_mall | purple_cow: navi.cx/~evan/kochesque.eps |
| 18:42.27 | darth_mall | purple_cow: how about: http://navi.cx/~evan/kochesque.eps |
| 18:42.32 | darth_mall | so it's a URL |
| 18:44.54 | purple_cow | ouch. the instructor just said "guesstimate" |
| 18:45.00 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:45.09 | purple_cow | darth_mall: pretty |
| 18:45.13 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 18:45.22 | purple_cow | darth_mall: that's just a tree fractal? |
| 18:45.25 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 18:45.39 | darth_mall | I rotate each branch 140 degrees in either direction |
| 18:45.48 | darth_mall | doesn't it kinda look like a koch curve? |
| 18:45.54 | darth_mall | unless I've got the name wrong... |
| 18:47.07 | purple_cow | darth_mall: a little |
| 18:47.33 | darth_mall | it's definitely going in the homework |
| 18:47.54 | purple_cow | :) |
| 18:54.32 | scanline | grarrr |
| 18:54.34 | darth_mall | hi kergoth |
| 18:54.45 | kergoth | heh, hey |
| 18:54.47 | darth_mall | I think skipping OS was the best decision I've made all day |
| 18:56.39 | scanline | yep |
| 18:57.45 | scanline | purple_cow: it's a good thing 'all contents' are copyrighted by you when all those schematics are mine ;) |
| 19:00.56 | purple_cow | scanline: hmm |
| 19:01.15 | purple_cow | that better? |
| 19:01.29 | scanline | purple_cow: great :) |
| 19:01.34 | ChipX86 | do you guys sleep? |
| 19:01.51 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: what's that? |
| 19:02.02 | scanline | chipX86: I slept a little |
| 19:02.26 | ChipX86 | meh, I don't think I'll go into work today |
| 19:03.14 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: that would make me sad |
| 19:03.17 | darth_mall | moooooooooooooooooooooooooore nitpicking! |
| 19:03.21 | ChipX86 | well I'm going to work from here |
| 19:03.27 | darth_mall | hi chipX86 |
| 19:03.33 | ToyKeeper | ChipX86: Is Big Large Trout gallery available anywhere? |
| 19:03.34 | ChipX86 | hi |
| 19:03.44 | ChipX86 | ToyKeeper: nope |
| 19:03.48 | ChipX86 | well, kind of, in svn |
| 19:03.51 | ChipX86 | but it's hacky |
| 19:03.52 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r897 10mck/PyMCK/ (6 files in 3 dirs): quick commit before Micah makes changes |
| 19:04.02 | ChipX86 | very hacky |
| 19:04.32 | ToyKeeper | I'm curious why you made a gallery. (I did the same thing, but perhaps for different reasons) |
| 19:05.00 | ChipX86 | I was using a pre-made gallery for a while |
| 19:05.07 | ChipX86 | it didn't do the job, so I made a new one based off that |
| 19:05.39 | ToyKeeper | What was it? What did you need it to do differently? |
| 19:05.45 | ChipX86 | I don't remember |
| 19:06.00 | ChipX86 | this was many years ago |
| 19:08.09 | ToyKeeper | Which BLTg features do you use the most? |
| 19:08.18 | ChipX86 | there are no real features |
| 19:08.26 | ChipX86 | I dump images in, run a script to make thumbnails, and that's that |
| 19:08.34 | ToyKeeper | Okay. |
| 19:12.35 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r898 10mck/PyMCK/PhysicalQuantities.py: Remove the silly umath dependency |
| 19:16.19 | ChipX86 | YES! librsvg in vmware |
| 19:16.29 | purple_cow | =D |
| 19:16.40 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r899 10mck/PyMCK/ (PhysicalQuantities.py Test/test_types.py): Slurp the tiny NumberDict and DictWithDefaults types into PhysicalQuantities.py to remove the Scientific Python dependency entirely |
| 19:16.42 | ChipX86 | wow I'm up to 12 bugs. Damn alex. |
| 19:18.12 | scanline | oh no |
| 19:18.15 | scanline | home |
| 19:18.24 | purple_cow | oh YES! |
| 19:18.27 | ChipX86 | not home! That's where the heart is! |
| 19:19.47 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r900 10mck/PyMCK/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Physical quantities are now fully copyable through the PB transport. |
| 19:20.37 | ChipX86 | I hate QA. |
| 19:20.37 | ChipX86 | specifically this one person. |
| 19:20.49 | file[laptop] | clarify. |
| 19:21.02 | ChipX86 | he reopens bugs all the time, says he's not satisfied, and he's very often wrong |
| 19:21.08 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 19:21.09 | ChipX86 | or he nit-picks and calls things a bug when it's just his preference |
| 19:21.20 | ChipX86 | it's like he's trying to set a record |
| 19:22.34 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 19:23.47 | ChipX86 | they're also claiming that Novell Linux Desktop does not support SCSI, but that SuSE does |
| 19:35.56 | darth_mall | woo! all done with my chaos hw |
| 19:37.16 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 19:37.47 | file | ChipX86: yup |
| 19:39.06 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r901 10mck/PyMCK/ (Satellite.py Test/test_types.py Types.py): Add _freeze() and _thaw() methods to LazyTree. When frozen, child nodes can't be created inadvertently. HardwareSystem now freezes its node tree after populate() to prevent creation of new nodes during queries later. |
| 19:39.26 | darth_mall | chipX86: you are a muuuuuunkeeeeeeeeee |
| 19:40.21 | ChipX86 | god I hate windows. Why does it have to just screw up when I try to do the simplest things |
| 19:40.58 | nullpuppy | because billy knows better then you |
| 19:41.21 | ChipX86 | a co-worker is letting me borrow his hauppauge |
| 19:41.28 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 19:41.33 | nullpuppy | which card? |
| 19:41.33 | ChipX86 | so then I just need to get the ATI stuff working |
| 19:41.36 | ChipX86 | PVR-250 |
| 19:41.39 | nullpuppy | nice |
| 19:41.44 | nullpuppy | good card |
| 19:41.45 | darth_mall | moo? |
| 19:41.45 | ChipX86 | might see if I can buy it off him |
| 19:42.03 | ChipX86 | if the DVI-to-component doesn't work, I'll just have to use S-Video |
| 19:42.07 | ChipX86 | I'm tired of this windows crap |
| 19:42.16 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 19:42.23 | ChipX86 | makes me wonder if Windows MCE even works |
| 19:42.25 | nullpuppy | hmm, how do you center a div in css? |
| 19:42.44 | purple_cow | margin: auto; generally works for me |
| 19:42.49 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: we have an mce box at work, it works pretty well |
| 19:42.56 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: ah, ok /me tries that |
| 19:44.03 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: in fact.. mce is really just xp pro without domain support and has the extra 'media' features |
| 19:46.04 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 19:46.12 | ChipX86 | but does it pop up random crap in front of my movies? |
| 19:46.34 | ChipX86 | or yell at you for your display res settings? |
| 19:46.41 | nullpuppy | hmm, shouldn't, but it uses media player 10... |
| 19:46.54 | file | ChipX86: just means your box hates you ;( |
| 19:46.56 | nullpuppy | so, maybe :) |
| 19:50.34 | ChipX86 | it amuses me that my web browser makes sounds when I go to webpages |
| 19:50.37 | ChipX86 | on linux |
| 19:50.58 | purple_cow | god it's been a lovely day, everything's been going my way, i took out the trash today, and i'm on fire |
| 19:51.19 | ChipX86 | oohhh |
| 19:51.24 | ChipX86 | perforce + vim scripts |
| 19:56.27 | scanline | I should go home |
| 19:57.23 | purple_cow | wow, that's muchly sexy |
| 19:57.52 | file[laptop] | achoo! |
| 20:06.13 | purple_cow | wow |
| 20:06.23 | purple_cow | the lyrics to 'half jack' are a lot weirder than i thought |
| 20:09.32 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault_ (~pagefault@66.199.241.90) |
| 20:09.59 | scanline | mmmm, whiteboards |
| 20:14.02 | scanline | huh. is it just me, or does every project whose name only makes sense on an ld command line have no real scope? |
| 20:14.15 | scanline | there was libiberty, and now I found a libowfat |
| 20:14.17 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6617 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Box.py Object.py): start the beginnings of an object class |
| 20:15.21 | purple_cow | heh |
| 20:16.19 | ChipX86 | *sigh* |
| 20:16.26 | kergoth | boooored |
| 20:16.30 | ChipX86 | the beagle boys insist galago is screwing up their D-BUS connection. It can't be galago :/ |
| 20:16.35 | ChipX86 | it's a bug in D-BUS or the D-BUS-sharp bindings |
| 20:17.21 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r902 10mck/PyMCK/Log.py: Make it clear that PyMCK.Log is an extension to Twisted's logging facilities, and is intended only for human-readable messages and errors, not for logging sensor data. |
| 20:19.10 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r903 10mck/PyMCK/Log.py: Oh no, somehow this file escaped the copyright header party |
| 20:20.51 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6618 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Box.py __init__.py): more implementation |
| 20:28.14 | purple_cow | <rml> swedish LJ is to LJ as swedish meatballs are to meatballs |
| 20:30.12 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 20:30.48 | ChipX86 | remind me to stay clear of any VMware vs Novell discussions |
| 20:32.07 | scanline | VMware vs Novell? Isn't that a bit like comparing Gaim to AMI Bios? |
| 20:32.13 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 20:32.24 | ChipX86 | ikke was saying how he wanted to work at an open source company |
| 20:32.37 | ChipX86 | I was saying closed source can be good too, if you find the right one, and that I love working at vmware |
| 20:32.54 | ChipX86 | the novell people got horribly sarcastic about how painful it is to work at novell, and how they get beat and whipped :) |
| 20:35.00 | scanline | hah |
| 20:35.14 | scanline | ooh, linode bill |
| 20:35.21 | ChipX86 | then they called me brainwashed. heh :) |
| 20:35.24 | ChipX86 | ooh, yay! |
| 20:35.56 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6619 10wasabi/images/ (games.png jetcow.png): set mime types |
| 20:36.04 | scanline | oh no! |
| 20:36.10 | scanline | a wasabi commit! |
| 20:41.38 | ChipX86 | now let's see if thunderbird likes our mail server better than evolution |
| 20:43.48 | purple_cow | scanline: what's the sexiest way to do a switch statement? |
| 20:44.03 | purple_cow | in python |
| 20:44.28 | ChipX86 | write it in C and link it in |
| 20:46.27 | scanline | purple_cow: getattr(self, "somePrefix_%s" % x)() |
| 20:46.47 | ChipX86 | where's my computer.. |
| 20:49.21 | hardwire | you know what I need |
| 20:49.29 | hardwire | a bidirectional UHF wireless headset |
| 20:49.41 | hardwire | super long distance |
| 20:49.47 | hardwire | so I can send voice commands to an mp3 player |
| 20:49.53 | hardwire | and aswer a phone in another room |
| 20:49.57 | hardwire | at any goddamn given moment. |
| 20:50.01 | hardwire | UMF! |
| 20:52.14 | scanline | hmmmmmmmm |
| 20:52.25 | scanline | tempting to reuse my microcontroller protocol as a log file format |
| 20:52.42 | scanline | even if the log is horribly corrupted, valid data could be recovered easily where it exists |
| 21:00.31 | scanline | yeah.. I should come home. I need to ponder on this logging thing some more |
| 21:01.35 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 21:02.03 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 21:02.06 | purple_cow | will this work: |
| 21:02.07 | purple_cow | self.position = [float(n) for n in pos] |
| 21:02.08 | purple_cow | ? |
| 21:02.58 | nullpuppy | for what? |
| 21:03.36 | nullpuppy | gah, stupid sidebar is pushing content over... hmm |
| 21:03.44 | purple_cow | converting from a list of strings to a list of floats |
| 21:04.06 | kergoth | yay list comprehensions |
| 21:04.30 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 21:04.55 | nullpuppy | it looks like it could work, but i'm ignorant in the ways of python right now |
| 21:05.04 | purple_cow | yay missed me |
| 21:05.06 | kergoth | looks fine |
| 21:05.16 | ChipX86 | I think if it doesn't work, it damn well should, and you should keep the code as-is until python implements it |
| 21:05.34 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 21:05.52 | nullpuppy | exactly, its not my code doesnt work, its the language, its broken ;) |
| 21:06.39 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6620 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Box.py: add a bunch of setter functions |
| 21:08.56 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6621 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Box.py: this maybe calls the setters properly |
| 21:10.41 | nullpuppy | grrr, someone mind taking a look at a template and some css? |
| 21:12.24 | nullpuppy | http://gremlin.nulldomain.com/dev/www.nulldomain.com/drupal-4.5.2/ (and themes/odin/style.css and themes/odin/page.tpl.phps |
| 21:14.45 | ChipX86 | girls are weird creatures. |
| 21:14.55 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 21:15.06 | purple_cow | nullpuppy: what's wrong with it? |
| 21:15.09 | kergoth | yay weird creatures |
| 21:15.15 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: the sidebar is pushing the content over |
| 21:15.30 | nullpuppy | the content section should all be lined up properly, instead of the way it is |
| 21:15.36 | ChipX86 | I was telling Amanda about how I have to give the presentation at SVLUG, and telling her the story behind it. She started laughing really hard, and then said, "I can hear the complete horror in your voice. It's sooo cute!" |
| 21:15.41 | nullpuppy | and, i can't figure out whats causing it |
| 21:15.45 | kergoth | ChipX86: hah |
| 21:15.58 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 21:17.11 | kergoth | ugh, food coma |
| 21:17.26 | nullpuppy | hmm, if i take out position: relative; it wraps around. might work ok, but not what i want :/ |
| 21:21.35 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: any ideas? |
| 21:22.27 | nullpuppy | hehe, ok :) |
| 21:24.14 | purple_cow | why do you have right: 180px on your .sidebar ? |
| 21:25.17 | nullpuppy | to limit the size.. not really needed though.. |
| 21:26.58 | purple_cow | try removing all the position stuff |
| 21:27.08 | purple_cow | just give it width, float, padding and margin |
| 21:27.35 | nullpuppy | tried that, doesn't work. it stacks instead |
| 21:27.51 | purple_cow | stacks? |
| 21:28.23 | nullpuppy | erm. nope, it wraps |
| 21:28.53 | nullpuppy | removing position just from sidebar caused it to stack (so it was sidebar above the content) |
| 21:29.30 | purple_cow | isn't wrapping what you wanted? |
| 21:29.51 | nullpuppy | no, i want two columns |
| 21:29.54 | purple_cow | oh |
| 21:30.02 | purple_cow | why is the sidebar within the content div then? |
| 21:30.23 | nullpuppy | doh, that would explain it... |
| 21:30.40 | nullpuppy | this was a table... i changed it to div's.. |
| 21:30.41 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 21:31.58 | scanline | nullpuppy: that header image would be a lot better without the drop shadows and hilights |
| 21:32.32 | ChipX86 | and with some animated squirrels |
| 21:32.34 | nullpuppy | scanline: *nods* i'm still playing around with it |
| 21:32.55 | nullpuppy | i might revert it back to just the image without any text or something, not sure yet |
| 21:33.44 | scanline | IMHO some translucent text without any silly filters would enhance it |
| 21:34.58 | nullpuppy | *nods* |
| 21:35.06 | nullpuppy | grr, still not doing it right |
| 21:35.29 | ChipX86 | that's my favorite disc! |
| 21:37.26 | scanline | haha |
| 21:37.37 | scanline | wind powered coffee grinder |
| 21:38.06 | scanline | with subtitles in some unidentified maybe-swedish-like language |
| 21:38.21 | *** join/#tacobeam slimspace (~darkstar6@ec237-148-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 21:38.26 | scanline | slimspace_: I left you a note on the right half of the whiteboard ;) |
| 21:38.37 | slimspace | cool |
| 21:38.38 | scanline | still pondering a good serialization format for the log messages |
| 21:38.52 | scanline | but I think multiple fixed-size buffers would be a good solution |
| 21:39.03 | scanline | to the space constraint problem, at least |
| 21:39.06 | slimspace | right |
| 21:39.16 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6622 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Reader.py __init__.py): break everything! |
| 21:39.34 | scanline | it'd be nice to use a framing protocol similar to the microcontroller protocol's so that we can reliably identify log messages even if the files get corrupted |
| 21:39.41 | *** join/#tacobeam slimspace (~darkstar6@128.138.74.40) |
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| 21:40.51 | slimspace8 | grr... |
| 21:42.15 | ChipX86 | I hate e-mail. |
| 21:42.33 | ChipX86 | it's just too much of a pain to deal with anymore |
| 21:43.10 | slimspace | mmm, that's better. |
| 21:44.05 | scanline | "A twirly washing line.. with sort of wings on it. I don't understand it" |
| 21:49.02 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r904 10mck/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added very simple synchronization system to the ground software. Also added functionality into LazyTree to allow referencing like a list (i.e. tree['a.b.c'] = 4 is the same as tree.a.b.c = 4) |
| 21:49.13 | scanline | grp |
| 21:49.16 | scanline | don't put that in LazyTree |
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| 21:49.23 | slimspace | do you have a better idea? |
| 21:49.46 | scanline | it's already implemented |
| 21:49.53 | scanline | in TreeCrawler |
| 21:49.56 | scanline | with type safety |
| 21:50.04 | slimspace | yeah, but that's a much more complicated system than I needed. |
| 21:50.15 | scanline | but it's already there |
| 21:50.20 | scanline | what's this for? |
| 21:50.47 | slimspace | but it's too complicated. I needed something I could reference like the tree, but using a string instead of python style attribute getting. |
| 21:51.03 | slimspace | this was just for constructing the tree for the ground software. |
| 21:51.55 | scanline | slimspace: ok.. so what's wrong with TreeCrawler? |
| 21:52.02 | slimspace | again, too complicated. |
| 21:52.05 | scanline | slimspace: this is like reinventing 'int' because you don't need odd numbers |
| 21:52.14 | scanline | you're duplicating code when TreeCrawler would work just fine |
| 21:52.38 | slimspace | well, fine. Reimplement it using TreeCrawler. But I think it's WAY overkill for what I needed. |
| 21:53.00 | scanline | k |
| 21:53.42 | scanline | slimspace: most of the stuff you've written is great, I just don't hide it when I think a design decision is bad |
| 21:53.57 | slimspace | most of the stuff I wrote you ripped out and reimplemented |
| 21:54.43 | scanline | most of the stuff I've replaced was really old code that was no longer needed with the new state machine model |
| 21:55.05 | slimspace | yeah, and that was 90% of the flight software. |
| 21:55.08 | scanline | replacing code is part of the develpoment process |
| 21:55.24 | slimspace | yeah, but it wasn't enough to replace it, you put me down by calling it crap. |
| 21:56.08 | slimspace | I'm tempted just to let you finish the rest of the software, because anytime I implement a quick piece of code, you call it crap. |
| 21:56.16 | scanline | I don't remember calling it crap.. but if I did, that was definitely not a commentary on you, just the code. I don't even think that code was crap, it was just a design that could be refactored into something simpler and more useful |
| 21:56.20 | ChipX86 | the people next door are always hammering things into the wall |
| 21:56.35 | ChipX86 | I don't see how they have that much wall space. Maybe it's something else.. |
| 21:56.48 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: they operate a home craft eBay business |
| 21:56.52 | slimspace | scanline: well, commentary on me or not, it's code I wrote, and so it's like calling me a crappy programmer. |
| 21:56.53 | scanline | slimspace: chill out. I was arguing with one little decision, not calling all your code crap |
| 21:56.55 | ChipX86 | somehow, I doubt that |
| 21:57.08 | slimspace | scanline: no, but you've been doing this since the beginning of the semester. |
| 21:57.41 | scanline | I thought that we'd been doing a good job at working together on this |
| 21:58.13 | purple_cow | grr, my funky list comprehension isn't working :( |
| 21:58.14 | slimspace | I don't mind you making changes. I just hate it when you call every bit of code I write crap and something that needs to be changed. |
| 21:58.48 | slimspace | just once I'd like to see some code I write stay in. |
| 21:58.51 | scanline | the "every bit" and "crap" in that statement are a bit inaccurate |
| 21:58.56 | scanline | :P |
| 21:59.10 | slimspace | well, maybe. but that's what it feels like |
| 21:59.37 | scanline | well, get over it. you have to expect code to change and expect people to disagree, and not take it personally |
| 22:01.50 | purple_cow | scanline: what's wrong with this: |
| 22:01.52 | purple_cow | self.position = [float(n) for n in pos] |
| 22:01.52 | slimspace | and besides, what's wrong with implementing 10 lines of code that adds a simple function into the LazyTree that would save me several lines of code elsewhere? |
| 22:02.06 | purple_cow | exception is: TypeError: float() argument must be a string or a number |
| 22:02.13 | scanline | purple_cow: assuming pos is iterable and contains things that can be converted to floats, it should be fine |
| 22:02.20 | scanline | purple_cow: maybe pos doesn't have what you think it has in it? |
| 22:02.31 | purple_cow | def set_position(self, pos=[0, 0, 0]): |
| 22:02.37 | purple_cow | :P |
| 22:03.04 | purple_cow | err, oh |
| 22:03.08 | purple_cow | maybe the default one is working |
| 22:03.33 | scanline | slimspace: LazyTree has a very simple and well-defined job- it creates child nodes automatically. Iteration over a tree of objects is implemented separately, such that it doesn't matter what types it iterates over. TreeCrawler is one example of an iterator- you could write others, but it's already fairly simple |
| 22:04.14 | ChipX86 | my package is in Menlo Park. That's practically down the street.. and it's been there since this morning. Wtf is taking so long. |
| 22:04.28 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: :( |
| 22:04.30 | scanline | slimspace: If you really want a simple way to look up attribute paths, I'd suggest just a bare function, since it could operate on any python object. Heck, I bet there's already such a function in twisted.python.reflect. However, TreeCrawler really seems like a good match for this |
| 22:04.32 | slimspace | scanline: but you can access it using tree.a.b.c. Why would you want to have a seperate class to make it also work with tree['a.b.c']? |
| 22:04.34 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: atleast you know where it is, I don't ;( |
| 22:04.39 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: :( |
| 22:04.44 | ChipX86 | what did you order? |
| 22:04.55 | file[laptop] | new workstation |
| 22:05.05 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 22:05.06 | ChipX86 | same |
| 22:05.26 | file[laptop] | I ordered it Friday, and yet... no e-mail yet with any info besides confirming my online order |
| 22:05.30 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 22:05.33 | ChipX86 | that sucks |
| 22:05.47 | scanline | slimspace: the tree['a.b.c'] syntax implies that tree is some kind of container in which 'a.b.c' is an index. That's one way to look at the tree, but it's really not an intuitive enough way that it should be the default. Something like attrpath(tree, 'a.b.c') would probably be better |
| 22:05.51 | file[laptop] | gonna go grab some food, then give them a ring |
| 22:05.59 | file[laptop] | it's a small business order so it should have _some_ priority |
| 22:06.33 | ChipX86 | 200GB HD for $80 after rebate |
| 22:06.41 | slimspace | scanline: ok, that's fine. A pair of functions for getting and setting attributes based on a path. |
| 22:06.43 | ChipX86 | these are just so tempting |
| 22:06.45 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6623 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Box.py Reader.py Types.py): de-break everything |
| 22:06.53 | scanline | purple_cow: scrapheap challenge |
| 22:07.22 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: Happy happy happy |
| 22:07.24 | scanline | slimspace: make sure that it doesn't exist in twisted.python first, since it sounds familiar. I also still don't see why you wouldn't want to use TreeCrawler |
| 22:07.40 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: finally reached a goal in my account, but just barely.. now I have to pay bills :) |
| 22:07.46 | scanline | slimspace: you'll need some way to actually build a GUI from this tree, and TreeCrawler's iteration methods seem like a good way to do that |
| 22:07.49 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: hehe |
| 22:08.13 | slimspace | scanline: well maybe. I'll have to look |
| 22:08.20 | ChipX86 | ooh, Kingston 65x Elite Pro Secure Digital |
| 22:08.22 | ChipX86 | now there's a name |
| 22:08.31 | file[laptop] | l33t! |
| 22:08.38 | slimspace | scanline: I was just a bit intimitated by it when I saw the type restricting. |
| 22:08.45 | purple_cow | IBM needs to be less slow |
| 22:08.54 | scanline | slimspace: I also really think you need TreeCrawler's type safety, to define what sort of objects can be leaves and which can be branches. Otherwise you'll end up with __doc__ and __dict__ and non-observable-value attributes in the tree |
| 22:09.11 | scanline | slimspace: look at the test case for treecrawler, it's fairly simple |
| 22:09.36 | slimspace | I'm not even using the LazyTree for observable values. I'm using it to keep gtk iters for the various parenting of the tree. |
| 22:09.55 | purple_cow | you're storing iters? :P |
| 22:10.04 | slimspace | just momentarily, to build the tree. |
| 22:10.06 | ChipX86 | you can't store iters |
| 22:10.07 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 22:10.07 | slimspace | After that they're gone. |
| 22:10.10 | ChipX86 | good |
| 22:10.22 | scanline | slimspace: hm.. so why do you need a tree at all? |
| 22:10.26 | ChipX86 | gtktreeview gets really angry otherwise :) |
| 22:10.42 | slimspace | scanline: it looked like a convenient way to store the data. |
| 22:10.48 | kergoth | oh shit, rent, right |
| 22:11.19 | scanline | slimspace: maybe just a dict mapping path (or tuple of path segments) to iter? |
| 22:11.54 | slimspace | thought about that, I didn't think it would work well, since any of the path parts could be parents of others. |
| 22:12.08 | slimspace | I needed something that could have other things attached, but also hold an iter. |
| 22:12.12 | slimspace | LazyTree provided just that for me. |
| 22:12.41 | slimspace | and it's quick to reference, so the code was rather quick for that. |
| 22:12.47 | scanline | but the problem with doing that in a LazyTree is that you merge a couple namespaces that shouldn't be merged, if I'm understanding you right |
| 22:13.09 | scanline | from your description, it sounds like you're doing something like tree[parentPath].iter = foo |
| 22:13.10 | slimspace | how are you merging namespaces? (this works, btw) |
| 22:14.02 | slimspace | actually, yes, that's what's going on, but it does work fine. |
| 22:14.03 | scanline | I haven't read the code yet, I just got annoyed at LazyTree being hacked up ;) |
| 22:14.30 | scanline | slimspace: ok.. so the problem is that the names you're using (like "iter") are in the same namespace as the hardware tree |
| 22:14.56 | scanline | slimspace: so while a collision isn't likely in practice, you've polluted the namespace and it could cause really odd problems or design headaches later |
| 22:15.22 | scanline | slimspace:it sounds like it would be much easier to have a dict mapping paths to either tuples or simple objects holding the doodads you need to store |
| 22:16.10 | slimspace | how are they in the same namespace? I'm creating a completely new LazyTree object. |
| 22:16.19 | slimspace | in the ground software, no less |
| 22:16.33 | scanline | if you do tree['a.b.c'].iter, that's the same as tree['a.b.c.iter'] |
| 22:16.42 | slimspace | right |
| 22:16.46 | scanline | a dict keeps those separate, which is why I'd recommend a dict instead |
| 22:17.33 | slimspace | why would I want them separate though? |
| 22:17.51 | scanline | 'a.b.c' is a path in the hardware tree, 'iter' is a temporary object used by the ground software |
| 22:18.20 | scanline | it does two bad things: |
| 22:18.34 | scanline | 1. it causes the ground software to put artificial restrictions on the names the flight software can use |
| 22:18.52 | scanline | 2. you all of a sudden don't know whether a particular name came from the actual hardware tree or if it's something temporary |
| 22:19.08 | scanline | just mapping paths to other objects in a dict solves all that and it's much simpler |
| 22:20.02 | slimspace | I don't understand how either of those are true. The only restriction imposed is the way in which the paths will be passed to the ground software. |
| 22:20.06 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you need some kind of retard-retarding ray |
| 22:20.21 | JeffM2501 | you mean a shotgun? |
| 22:20.25 | purple_cow | sure |
| 22:20.31 | scanline | slimspace: let's say the flight software has an object with the path 'a.b.c.iter' |
| 22:20.32 | slimspace | scanline: have you looked through my code? |
| 22:20.50 | scanline | not yet |
| 22:21.00 | file | time to buy a plane ticket |
| 22:21.08 | slimspace | scanline: you should do that so you can get a feel for what I'm trying to do |
| 22:21.11 | scanline | k |
| 22:21.55 | file | erm er I'll wait till tonight |
| 22:23.13 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 22:23.17 | purple_cow | this compose key thing is too cool :) |
| 22:23.19 | scanline | slimspace: I still think a dictionary would be much simpler |
| 22:23.26 | file | my parents said going to VON by myself would be good for me... haha |
| 22:23.46 | ChipX86 | it's so weird to hear sounds when I click gtk toolbar buttons |
| 22:23.47 | scanline | slimspace: this "_data" attribute is a special case, and those are bad :) |
| 22:24.49 | slimspace | how? how is it bad? |
| 22:25.12 | slimspace | I'm using it for a very simple thing, it doesn't cause any problems, and it works. How is that bad? |
| 22:25.24 | scanline | in general, special cases are bad. In this particular case, it's the merging namespaces problem |
| 22:25.29 | scanline | and besides all that, it would be simpler with a dict |
| 22:26.51 | scanline | slimspace: the ground software is supposed to be displaying a representation of the flight software's hardware tree... you just wouldn't expect it to mix the tree with a bunch of implementation details then carefully pick those out. You'd expect it to just display the tree that it received. |
| 22:27.21 | scanline | slimspace: this is like giving numbers a 'prime' attribute rather than making a list of prime numbers |
| 22:29.18 | slimspace | well, I guess you have a better idea how to implement this. I'll just let you fix it. |
| 22:29.50 | scanline | you can't just give up completely every time someone gives you a suggestion :P |
| 22:30.02 | file | ohhhhh I see what scanline is saying... |
| 22:30.49 | slimspace | scanline: whatever. clearly my programming skills don't hold a candle to yours. |
| 22:31.37 | scanline | slimspace: feel free to ignore me if you think I'm just spewing garbage.. but I've given a few reasons to support my point of view and you've just said "it works, so why not?" |
| 22:32.15 | scanline | I'm not arguing that it won't work, just that I think it's a messy design with an easy alternative |
| 22:32.27 | slimspace | scanline: it's mainly that I don't really understand your reasoning. I don't have nearly the python background you do, so you just expect me to understand why all this makes sens. |
| 22:32.31 | slimspace | *sense |
| 22:32.51 | scanline | it's not really a question of python background, just in understanding what an object's role should be and keeping them separate |
| 22:32.55 | slimspace | I don't magically see how a dictionary would make things easier. |
| 22:33.19 | scanline | slimspace: well, think about what data type you actually need... as far as I can see, you need a way to map paths to information about the tree |
| 22:33.31 | slimspace | yes |
| 22:33.32 | scanline | with a dictionary, you just use paths as the key and store your info in the values |
| 22:33.48 | scanline | but using LazyTree you have to shoehorn your data into a specially named key, basically |
| 22:34.11 | scanline | this data structure just wasn't designed for what you're using it for |
| 22:34.15 | scanline | that's why it didn't have the methods you added |
| 22:34.20 | slimspace | well, there's still figuring out the seperator. Even with a dictionary, if we hard-code that, it limits what the flight software can send back. |
| 22:34.22 | JeffM2501 | dude wanted groups when he didn't even know what they were. |
| 22:35.01 | scanline | slimspace: to decipher the paths at all the ground software has to know the separator. that's not what I'm arguing against |
| 22:35.47 | scanline | slimspace: you just need to, given a path, look up that parent's iter then store the new iter for that path, right? |
| 22:36.04 | slimspace | well, that's the general idea. |
| 22:36.16 | scanline | slimspace: you'd probably want to split the paths into tuples of path segments first, but a dictionary seems like a really natural choice of data structure to use |
| 22:36.36 | ChipX86 | food time |
| 22:37.53 | scanline | slimspace: I don't want to change any of this myself, I'd much rather help you understand my point of view.. then if you end up agreeing with it, you can change it yourself |
| 22:38.17 | slimspace | thank you |
| 22:39.13 | scanline | and just to summarize... (1) I don't think your changes to LazyTree belong there and (2) LazyTree is just making things harder for you in the ground software because it isn't the right data structure to use |
| 22:39.41 | scanline | notice there was no (3) you're a crappy programmer ;) |
| 22:39.54 | scanline | and that was with good reason |
| 22:40.48 | slimspace | I sometimes wonder. Your skills seem so much more than mine, I wonder if I really do stack up to you |
| 22:41.10 | scanline | I hate pissing contests :P |
| 22:41.33 | slimspace | sorry scanline |
| 22:41.48 | scanline | you've been writing some great stuff lately, and I'd never insult your skills as a programmer |
| 22:41.58 | scanline | I'll just point out problems that I see, especially when they're easy to fix |
| 22:42.49 | slimspace | ok |
| 22:43.05 | slimspace | and you were right, the dictionary was much easier. |
| 22:43.18 | scanline | wow, reimplemented it already? |
| 22:43.32 | slimspace | yeah |
| 22:43.44 | scanline | cool. I've just been slacking off and drinking mountain dew |
| 22:43.46 | slimspace | didn't shorten the code any, but it does make it a bit cleaner. |
| 22:45.35 | ChipX86 | someone describe food coma to me |
| 22:45.58 | scanline | purple_cow: do all these 3rd season episodes have crazy subtitles? |
| 22:46.08 | purple_cow | slimspace: i've found that you just need to realize that scanline is unlike the rest of us, and work on your skills at conning him into things ;) |
| 22:46.17 | purple_cow | scanline: i haven't watched any, i filed them during OOP |
| 22:46.30 | scanline | purple_cow: noooo, you're giving slimspace all your best secrets |
| 22:46.31 | purple_cow | ChipX86: right after you eat, your metabolism slows way down |
| 22:46.36 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 22:46.53 | scanline | hehe, surfing machine |
| 22:47.15 | purple_cow | scanline: we should move upstairs with the watching ;) |
| 22:47.22 | scanline | mmkay |
| 22:48.00 | scanline | ooh, spiraling shape on both monitors |
| 22:48.46 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r905 10mck/PyMCK/ (Ground/Dialogs/MainWindow.py Types.py): Reverted Types.py back, and fixed the ground software to use dictionaries instead of the tree |
| 22:57.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:58.02 | purple_cow | liz wants to use a couple of my hours for me to generate some new plots for her class :) |
| 22:58.17 | scanline | :) |
| 22:58.43 | scanline | of what? |
| 22:58.54 | purple_cow | lorenz system stuff |
| 22:59.02 | scanline | neat |
| 22:59.58 | darth_mall | purple_cow: you should embed subliminal messages in them |
| 23:01.01 | purple_cow | darth_mall: oh, i will |
| 23:02.23 | darth_mall | you'd better (SMOOOOOKE) |
| 23:03.12 | purple_cow | hmm. thier older female host was much cuter |
| 23:15.52 | kergoth | scanline: you've played with audio/video connections to pics and the like right.. have you played with any digital interfaces like spdif at all? |
| 23:15.57 | kergoth | s/pics/PICs/ |
| 23:16.25 | kergoth | or just analog |
| 23:20.07 | ChipX86 | damnit |
| 23:20.14 | ChipX86 | I thought this computer was coming with a CPU |
| 23:20.30 | scanline | kergoth: just analog. PICs' built-in A/D converters are probably just barely fast enough to do decent audio, but I've never found a use for that |
| 23:21.08 | ChipX86 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5156519515&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT |
| 23:21.17 | scanline | kergoth: in the uvswitch, all the actual audio and video signal went through analog switch chips. The PIC just sampled the video very slowly to get an average brightness level |
| 23:22.06 | ChipX86 | oh this is frustrating. There's no way I can justify putting this much money into this box for her right now |
| 23:22.16 | file | Dell is purposely avoiding me |
| 23:22.27 | file | the extension they list on their site for Small Business assistance, doesn't exist! |
| 23:22.40 | kergoth | scanline: ahh gotcha |
| 23:24.18 | ChipX86 | hrm so, I need RAM, a CPU, DVD-ROM or CD-RW.. |
| 23:25.45 | file | no CPU for poor Chip :( |
| 23:28.27 | ChipX86 | I would have been better off buying an actual pre-built computer |
| 23:28.57 | file[laptop] | you should have gotten a Dell SC420 |
| 23:30.54 | ChipX86 | I'm sure I can find someone with a spare celeron.. |
| 23:31.55 | purple_cow | damnit |
| 23:32.02 | purple_cow | i'm again getting visions of building air cannons |
| 23:32.16 | scanline | purple_cow: with or without electricity? :) |
| 23:32.22 | purple_cow | scanline: does it matter? |
| 23:32.39 | scanline | it'd be nice to have high-tech targetting ;) |
| 23:33.32 | ToyKeeper | Small air cannons can be fun too. :) |
| 23:33.37 | ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/spud/ |
| 23:34.23 | purple_cow | ToyKeeper: it's probably smarter to start small |
| 23:36.19 | ToyKeeper | I'm just amused to have a gun which is completely human-power, and never runs out of ammo. |
| 23:36.25 | ToyKeeper | s/power/powered/ |
| 23:36.33 | purple_cow | never runs out? |
| 23:37.00 | ToyKeeper | Well, it'll fire anything you can fit into the barrel. |
| 23:42.02 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6624 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Object.py: add a bunch of functions to the abstract interface |
| 23:48.25 | scanline | food.... |
| 23:48.32 | purple_cow | hmm, food.... |
| 23:49.56 | ChipX86 | yay for me breaking vmware! |
| 23:50.01 | ChipX86 | on windows only |
| 23:50.02 | purple_cow | :D |
| 23:50.04 | ChipX86 | because it's picky :/ |
| 23:50.26 | ChipX86 | 1.8GHz celeron for $31 |
| 23:55.22 | scanline | yay picky |
| 23:55.26 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:56.24 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:56.29 | kergoth | i need more time in the day |
| 23:56.32 | scanline | we need a van like that |
| 23:56.33 | kergoth | and more motivation to get off my ass and do things |
| 23:58.39 | hardwire | if my girlfriend held coffee wherever she wanted me |
| 23:58.42 | hardwire | and wistled |
| 23:58.45 | hardwire | I would come around |
| 23:58.50 | hardwire | whistled |
| 23:58.54 | hardwire | thats motivating |
| 23:59.11 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:59.26 | hardwire | I need a compact PCI backplane / mainboard / 6 4 port ethernet devices. |
| 23:59.37 | hardwire | and knobs |
| 23:59.48 | kergoth | i need a job that sucks less |
| 23:59.58 | hardwire | yes |
| 23:59.59 | hardwire | yes you do |
