| 00:00.05 | KeyserSoze | except one side drizzles hot melted butter, and the other dispenses pats of cold butter |
| 00:00.07 | scanline | KeyserSoze: you could say "tea, earl grey, hot" and it would give you some sort of beverage |
| 00:00.30 | KeyserSoze | or you could say "tea, earl grey, hot", and it'd give you hot or cold butter |
| 00:00.52 | scanline | sure |
| 00:01.10 | luqui | no hay simpsons :-( |
| 00:01.23 | KeyserSoze | especially in the midwest |
| 00:01.45 | purple_cow | xyzzy says, "java makes me all itchy, and that's my least favorite emotion" |
| 00:01.52 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:03.26 | KeyserSoze | jbot_: seen gonkulat1r? |
| 00:04.44 | luqui | pretty good for only three chord |
| 00:04.47 | luqui | s |
| 00:05.37 | pagefault | what |
| 00:05.49 | file | can't get ahold of paypal... or rather, can't find the right option |
| 00:06.12 | pagefault | ah customer support? |
| 00:06.15 | file | yes |
| 00:07.17 | purple_cow | goddamnit, i forgot about the eggs |
| 00:07.34 | pagefault | so much sg-1 to watch |
| 00:07.44 | file | aha |
| 00:07.53 | ChipX86 | stupid ibm form not recognising the id it should i want cookies maybe they're downstairs still damn ibm |
| 00:07.54 | file | hit 0 twice and I'm in a queue, for something |
| 00:08.02 | file | except this music keeps repeating the same 30 seconds over and over |
| 00:12.24 | darth_mall | mmmm... that was tasty |
| 00:14.21 | darth_mall | scanline: you and purple_cow should drink some o' this here coffee |
| 00:14.35 | lurgy | darth_mall: you're gonna watch a mikey palin thingy with us, right? |
| 00:14.48 | darth_mall | lurgy: maybe if you start it when I get back from IFS |
| 00:15.04 | lurgy | aw |
| 00:15.06 | lurgy | silly darth_mall |
| 00:15.14 | lurgy | maybe we can watch some spaced instead then, in the meantim |
| 00:15.15 | lurgy | e |
| 00:15.16 | file | this music is evil |
| 00:15.25 | darth_mall | I told you during lab I was goin' to IFS |
| 00:15.28 | file | "Calls are handled in the order they are received, your patience is very much appreciated" |
| 00:15.29 | lurgy | file is evil! |
| 00:15.51 | file | I should record this |
| 00:16.35 | purple_cow | lurgy: sounds good |
| 00:16.42 | file | the system just thanked me for holding |
| 00:16.55 | luqui | does anybody know what a "brokering handler" is? |
| 00:17.03 | luqui | darth_mall! |
| 00:17.09 | darth_mall | luqui! |
| 00:17.18 | luqui | can you give me a mysql account on navi |
| 00:17.32 | lurgy | purple_cow: yay |
| 00:17.41 | file | lol there is an advertisement for the debit card I'm calling about... |
| 00:17.46 | lurgy | purple_cow: i'll be over when my tortilla thingies finish |
| 00:17.49 | darth_mall | luqui: you should ask purple_cow and/or scanline |
| 00:17.52 | luqui | did |
| 00:17.57 | darth_mall | oh? |
| 00:18.05 | luqui | you're the one who has the mysql password, apparently |
| 00:18.11 | darth_mall | oh... still? |
| 00:18.35 | lurgy | darth_mall: yay for nearly getting the lab working |
| 00:18.35 | purple_cow | oooh, i think i found why it's not registering these hook targets |
| 00:18.44 | lurgy | =D |
| 00:20.11 | *** join/#tacobeam slimspace|away (~darkstar6@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 00:21.47 | file | 8 minutes on hold... |
| 00:22.47 | purple_cow | hrm, maybe not |
| 00:22.51 | file | my patience is very much appreciated |
| 00:22.59 | KeyserSoze | purple_cow: no, really. i did. |
| 00:25.15 | KeyserSoze | 25khz = 0.04ms, 40khz = 0.025ms. 0.04ms at room temperature (325m/s) is 13cm, 0.025ms is 8cm |
| 00:28.24 | ChipX86 | bahhh |
| 00:28.36 | file | I'm on hold... again |
| 00:28.37 | ChipX86 | can't get in |
| 00:28.52 | file | if I get lost in the system, I will not be happy |
| 00:30.04 | file | it'll be mailed out next week, yah! |
| 00:30.46 | file | she is also taking off these Fedex preauths |
| 00:32.22 | file | ooh expired |
| 00:38.39 | purple_cow | what a weirdly cool show |
| 00:38.56 | KeyserSoze | if you made an wind measuring device, what data interface would you put on it? RS422? |
| 00:39.08 | scanline | USB |
| 00:39.24 | KeyserSoze | i don't know if the range of USB will be sufficient. |
| 00:39.29 | scanline | ethernet |
| 00:39.38 | scanline | RS-422 is so last century |
| 00:39.39 | KeyserSoze | but USB would be nice, especially if the whole thing could be powered from it |
| 00:39.50 | KeyserSoze | yeah, but the range is nice, and it's dirt-cheap and easy |
| 00:39.57 | scanline | uhhuh |
| 00:40.39 | purple_cow | ethernet + POE |
| 00:40.49 | KeyserSoze | yeah, i was just thinking about POE |
| 00:42.26 | luqui | POE? |
| 00:42.31 | purple_cow | power over ethernet |
| 00:42.40 | luqui | ohh.... not Perl Object Environment |
| 00:42.42 | luqui | nuts |
| 00:43.04 | KeyserSoze | 5 meters is the max length of USB 2.0. that's 16 feet, which is no good if you want to put the thing on your roof or up on a pole |
| 00:43.57 | KeyserSoze | oooh, POE is good for 100 meters! |
| 00:48.08 | file[laptop] | UDP is fun |
| 00:50.00 | KeyserSoze | maybe i will make the main board for the device have a ttl level serial port and a power plug, and then you can connect I/O boards to convert to USB, or ethernet+POE, or RS422 plus power jack, etc |
| 00:50.23 | scanline | why bother with that much complexity? |
| 00:51.13 | KeyserSoze | i want to be able to have the option to crank up the sample rate, and that's easy with a cheap uC if all i have to do is stream the data out the uart. |
| 00:51.27 | scanline | I'd suggest picking either USB, RS-232, or RS-422, then making it easy to hook up a SBC to it if you want ethernet |
| 00:52.38 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03micah * r5592 10wasabi/devices/unicone/src/ (sha1.c sha1.h): Add a GPL'ed SHA-1 implementation slurped out of GNU Coreutils |
| 00:52.43 | scanline | wooo |
| 00:52.47 | scanline | commits to navi-misc are much faster now |
| 00:52.56 | luqui | what did you do? |
| 00:53.06 | scanline | all the post-commit garbage runs backgrounded now |
| 00:53.18 | scanline | I thought that was the case before, but it was only so for the CIA script |
| 00:53.33 | scanline | the /navi/svn update and incremental backups had to complete before it would return |
| 00:53.40 | purple_cow | oooh |
| 00:53.53 | KeyserSoze | well, if i put a little slot in the device, so that the slot's connector is a ttl serial port and power, then the I/O card needed to do 232 and 422 would just have a level converter, a db9, and a power jack. |
| 00:53.55 | purple_cow | scanline: in about 5m we'll be ready to move on to the next episode |
| 00:54.01 | scanline | purple_cow: mmmmmkay |
| 00:54.01 | purple_cow | scanline: which means you should join us :) |
| 00:54.31 | scanline | KeyserSoze: but why the complexity? is this just for you, or for work? are there actually going to be people using it that care whether they get USB, ethernet, or whatever? |
| 00:56.21 | KeyserSoze | it was gonna be for work, but since i'm most likely going to quit tomorrow, it'll just be for home use. |
| 00:57.15 | purple_cow | ohhhh scanline |
| 00:57.18 | KeyserSoze | except why the hell do i care how windy it is? i guess i want to build it just because I think it'll be cheap and easy, and it *would* make a good product for the company i am at, if they weren't too stupid to realize what opportunites they have |
| 00:58.01 | KeyserSoze | the ttl serial to USB i/o board would just have one of these dlp-usb232m boards on it: http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/usb232.html |
| 00:58.13 | KeyserSoze | i work at a place called International Meteorological Systems |
| 00:58.40 | KeyserSoze | the idiots somehow got a giant contract from the NWS to replace all 100 upper-air weather stations in the US |
| 00:58.43 | scanline | KeyserSoze: just get a Keyspan USA-19HS usb to serial dongle and modify it |
| 00:59.12 | purple_cow | ohhhhhh scanline |
| 00:59.15 | scanline | bah! |
| 00:59.23 | scanline | am coding |
| 00:59.30 | KeyserSoze | scanline: the dlp-usb232m is probably the same thing, except it comes on a board that's perfect for through-hole soldering |
| 00:59.31 | purple_cow | scanline: there's a laptop up here ;) |
| 00:59.41 | scanline | purple_cow: I'm not feeling social |
| 00:59.45 | purple_cow | fine |
| 01:00.04 | laodamas | scanline: Capitalist! |
| 01:00.28 | scanline | KeyserSoze: no, that's a different chip. The nice thing about the Keyspan USA-19HS is it uses the TUSB3410 chip, easy to write new firmware for |
| 01:00.37 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it has a serial port of course, plus I2C and a few GPIO pins |
| 01:00.56 | scanline | hmm, that is indeed cheap though |
| 01:01.06 | scanline | but bleh, no programmability |
| 01:01.07 | scanline | that's stupid |
| 01:01.10 | ChipX86 | I'm getting a $4000 laptop |
| 01:01.22 | ChipX86 | it's costing me $2500 |
| 01:01.26 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:01.27 | scanline | ChipX86: nice! |
| 01:01.28 | pagefault | what specs? |
| 01:01.37 | KeyserSoze | scanline: why would i want to write firmware for the chip? with the dlp-usb232m, you just hook it to a serial stream, and you are done. unless you want to change the usb-device identifier, which i haven't had to do so far |
| 01:01.39 | file | laptops are, like, good |
| 01:02.07 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it just looks like a normal serial port, rather than having a unique interface- so you lose a ton of USB's advantages |
| 01:02.07 | luqui | I feel more like: laptops are, like, pretty ok |
| 01:02.42 | ChipX86 | 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM, 60GB 7200rpm HD, 15", 1600x1200 native res, 9 cell battery, dvd burner, cd burner |
| 01:02.43 | KeyserSoze | they have a 8-bit parallel version that i've used in the past that does up to 8Mb/s, and just needs like 4 control lines |
| 01:02.54 | file | ChipX86: type of CPU? |
| 01:02.58 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:02.59 | ChipX86 | Pentium M |
| 01:03.02 | scanline | yeah, I know. those aren't nearly as useful as a real USB controller |
| 01:03.04 | file | good, good |
| 01:03.16 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the Philips PDIDUSB12 also looks rather cool, I'm hoping to try it soon |
| 01:03.25 | ChipX86 | "Your savings: $1,407.75" |
| 01:03.37 | pagefault | where you getting it from? |
| 01:03.37 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it has a parallel interface, but still gives you control over all the USB endpoints and the enumeration process |
| 01:03.41 | ChipX86 | IBM |
| 01:03.44 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:03.52 | ChipX86 | Friend of Employee discount |
| 01:04.01 | KeyserSoze | the usa-19hs does? it looks like it's just a 232<->usb data converter |
| 01:04.08 | ChipX86 | no S&H |
| 01:04.17 | file | stupid Windows, play my Red Dwarf... please? |
| 01:04.18 | pagefault | chip has all the hookups |
| 01:04.25 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it has a TUSB3410 chip inside, you can easily disable the included firmware and download your own |
| 01:04.39 | ChipX86 | paying $200 more than I was originally pasying |
| 01:04.53 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it's an 8051 microcontroller with a few kilobytes of RAM, a UART, an I2C master, and some GPIO |
| 01:05.01 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. have you used any of the features of USB that wouldn't be accessible in a serial<->usb converter? |
| 01:05.11 | scanline | KeyserSoze: uhhuh |
| 01:05.43 | pagefault | ah well |
| 01:05.47 | ChipX86 | eep |
| 01:05.47 | ChipX86 | must catch bus |
| 01:05.48 | ChipX86 | bbl |
| 01:05.49 | luqui | ... since he doesn't have one |
| 01:05.56 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the biggest advantage of using a real USB controller rather than a serial adaptor is that you get more of a request->response model over EP0, plus access to multiple endpoints for streaming data |
| 01:07.01 | scanline | KeyserSoze: but there are also transfers you can't do over serial, like interrupt or isochronous |
| 01:07.01 | pagefault | only reason I have one is from silly banner revenue |
| 01:07.05 | scanline | KeyserSoze: really, serial is only sufficient if you only need a single bulk endpoint and you don't really care about data integrity |
| 01:07.11 | file | here I am installing MPlayer on my fileserver just to see what audio format this uses |
| 01:07.33 | KeyserSoze | scanline: you can get 8051s with USB on them. i was looking at the silicon labs C8051F320 for another project, it's got usb and is less than $10 a pop |
| 01:07.33 | pagefault | silly file |
| 01:07.33 | scanline | KeyserSoze: that's just for the chip, or including a prototype board? |
| 01:07.33 | KeyserSoze | just the chip |
| 01:07.38 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the TUSB3410 is just an 8051 with USB on it, it's probably pretty much the same thing |
| 01:07.43 | pagefault | if its an avi file there is a utility see what it is |
| 01:07.58 | scanline | KeyserSoze: you can get free samples of the TUSB3410, but I recommend hacking up a keyspan adaptor just because it's easier than making a PCB |
| 01:08.40 | file | pagefault: mplayer will tell me too |
| 01:08.47 | file | pagefault: but alas, what utility is it? |
| 01:08.50 | KeyserSoze | the nice thing about the C8051F320, is that it's got an on-chip voltage regulator, and can run at 25mhz without an external crystal |
| 01:08.58 | pagefault | it's called fourcc viewer or something |
| 01:09.15 | purple_cow | avitype works for that |
| 01:09.33 | pagefault | yeah and avitype works too |
| 01:09.33 | scanline | KeyserSoze: a lot of chips do that |
| 01:09.43 | KeyserSoze | it's a pipelined 8051, with a claimed 70% of instructions running in 1 or 2 system clocks (which is lousy for most chips, but good for an 8051) |
| 01:09.51 | purple_cow | just from the name, i imagine fourcc viewer would just show you the fourcc |
| 01:10.03 | scanline | 8051s pretty much always suck for performance |
| 01:10.13 | scanline | the only reason to use them is popularity, which is a lousy reason |
| 01:10.28 | purple_cow | they're pretty rugged |
| 01:10.30 | KeyserSoze | scanline: hmm. that was the only one i've seen that could run of the usb port for power, and basically require no external parts |
| 01:11.30 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the only reason it wouldn't be able to run off the USB port would be if it used more than 100ma at 5V :P |
| 01:11.54 | scanline | KeyserSoze: most chips need at least a 3.3v regulator and a crystal, but really, are you going to choose a chip just based on whether it needs a crystal? |
| 01:12.09 | file | success |
| 01:12.30 | file | it's alive! |
| 01:12.35 | scanline | I'd be suspicious of a chip that didn't use an external crystal |
| 01:12.37 | pagefault | cut my milk! |
| 01:12.48 | purple_cow | i need a dartboard like tim's |
| 01:12.57 | KeyserSoze | well, if i used an msp430 and a seperate chip for the usb, i'd need a 3.3v regulator, a crystal for the msp430 (8mhz), and a crystal for the usb chip (6mhz), and then the caps for crystal loading, etc |
| 01:13.23 | scanline | uhhuh.. and if you're trying to avoid having just those few external parts, you really shouldn't be designing electronics :P |
| 01:13.42 | scanline | you also need power supply filter caps, probably a few resistors... |
| 01:14.24 | nullpuppy | fgghghghttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69297937 |
| 01:14.25 | nullpuppy | 23 |
| 01:14.29 | scanline | if you want something easy, hack up a keyspan adaptor ;) |
| 01:14.42 | scanline | desolder one EEPROM and you can instantly run C code on it |
| 01:15.06 | scanline | the only downside is that it has very little I/O |
| 01:15.17 | scanline | the TUSB3210 would be better, but I haven't seen any cheap dev boards or hackable products using it |
| 01:16.44 | KeyserSoze | well, the 8051 i was talking about claims to not need any external power circuitry when run off a USB port. i don't have one so i don't know how well it'd work in that scenario, but that is their claim |
| 01:16.57 | scanline | is it a chip, or some kind of integrated module? |
| 01:17.29 | scanline | you really need at least about a 10uf + 0.1uf power filter, and that just doesn't fit on a chip die |
| 01:18.46 | KeyserSoze | here's a link if you are interested: http://www.silabs.com/products/microcontroller/usb.asp |
| 01:19.57 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:20.16 | pagefault | I wish I knew more about electronics |
| 01:20.36 | KeyserSoze | i am reading the spec sheet right now, and haven't found where it says exactly what power supply circuitry is (or isn't required) |
| 01:20.42 | scanline | KeyserSoze: their dev board definitely has capacitors on it |
| 01:21.02 | KeyserSoze | the rep from Arrow said it didn't require anything, but maybe he was blowing smoke |
| 01:21.17 | scanline | KeyserSoze: it's generally assumed that you put a 0.1uf capacitor at each point where power enters an IC, so I doubt they'd explicitly mention it unless they had something special where you don't need any filtering |
| 01:21.34 | scanline | and IIRC the USB spec recommends a 10uf cap where power enters the board from the USB port |
| 01:21.59 | scanline | it's a little odd that it would be a 5v core though |
| 01:22.37 | scanline | the vast majority of USB devices i've seen use a 3.3v or wide-voltage-range core to avoid the somewhat wide range that USB allows its "5V" to be in |
| 01:23.19 | scanline | heh |
| 01:23.32 | scanline | on most of these 8051 devices you'll probably either need to write all the firmware yourself, or buy an expensive C compiler |
| 01:28.56 | KeyserSoze | scanline: i think it's a 3v device, and the 5v is only the power input. everything else on the chip uses 3v. |
| 01:29.19 | scanline | k |
| 01:30.17 | KeyserSoze | what other uCs have you seen that have usb on-chip? |
| 01:30.39 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:30.42 | scanline | The PIC16C745/765 |
| 01:30.43 | pagefault | futurama is so col |
| 01:30.44 | pagefault | cool |
| 01:30.45 | pagefault | too |
| 01:31.08 | scanline | heh |
| 01:31.13 | scanline | they're strange little beasts |
| 01:31.40 | KeyserSoze | [jack handy]probably from the time i was at the circus as a kid, and a PIC killed my dad[/jack handy] |
| 01:31.42 | scanline | the PICs and the TUSB3410 are really the only ones I've spent any time with |
| 01:32.04 | scanline | I've seen a bunch of others.. Cypress has some cool chips, but I haven't had an excuse to play with them yet |
| 01:32.26 | scanline | the PDIDUSB12 and a few others aren't microcontrollers, but they're complete USB cores accessable over a parallel bus or I2C |
| 01:32.39 | scanline | so you can still use all of USB, but pick your own microcontroller |
| 01:33.31 | scanline | was planning on using that for unicone, but ended up with a TUSB3410 out of laziness |
| 01:33.39 | KeyserSoze | do you have a application for it in mind, or just something cool to play with? |
| 01:33.50 | scanline | I usually have an application in mind |
| 01:34.16 | scanline | I've used the PICs for tons of stuff- the rasterwand, mi6k, uvswitch, etc. |
| 01:34.37 | scanline | the only application I've had for the TUSB3410 so far is the unicone, but I've played with it a bit before |
| 01:35.00 | scanline | the PICs are slow and difficult to program, but really cheap simple to hook up |
| 01:35.05 | scanline | s/cheap/cheap and/ |
| 01:35.06 | KeyserSoze | do you have a website with details on your projects? |
| 01:35.13 | scanline | not yet.. that's still on my todo list :) |
| 01:35.22 | scanline | though all the source and schematics are in navi-misc |
| 01:36.05 | KeyserSoze | at work, i have people who hand solder tqfp-32 msp430s for me |
| 01:36.11 | scanline | the rcpod is a handy project and a decentish example of using the PICs... maybe uvswitch is a little better since it also shows interrupt transfers |
| 01:36.12 | KeyserSoze | that's one thing i'll miss |
| 01:36.35 | scanline | TQFP isn't hard if you have a good soldering iron and a steady hand |
| 01:36.50 | scanline | or even a jittery hand, as long as it's kinda predictable |
| 01:37.38 | KeyserSoze | the guys at work can put down a 430 in just a couple minutes. i got one down but it took like half an hour, and then they fixed it for me afterwards |
| 01:37.38 | scanline | well, you have to be steady when positioning it and tacking down corners, but the rest really doesn't require any dexterity |
| 01:37.44 | scanline | :) |
| 01:40.01 | KeyserSoze | what exactly does uvswitch do? |
| 01:40.11 | KeyserSoze | does it stream video data onto the usb port? |
| 01:40.42 | KeyserSoze | oh. just noticed the tabs :) |
| 01:41.25 | KeyserSoze | just noticed the tabs are for different cia info, not different uvswitch info :( |
| 01:41.26 | scanline | tabs? |
| 01:41.35 | scanline | oh. yeah |
| 01:41.47 | scanline | like I said, there's no web site- just READMEs and source code |
| 01:41.54 | scanline | uvswitch is an 8-port video switch |
| 01:42.07 | scanline | you can use USB to determine which input channels are active, and set which one is connected to the output |
| 01:42.24 | scanline | it also has a couple extra switches to route the output either directly to the TV or through a tuner card |
| 01:42.42 | KeyserSoze | are the readmes and code accessible on the web, or just through subversion? |
| 01:43.04 | scanline | you can browse svn repositories with a web browser |
| 01:43.15 | scanline | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/ |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03micah * r5593 10wasabi/devices/unicone/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: The firmware is now conscious of its own SHA-1 digest. During firmware download, |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: it's stored at the very end of code space. It can be read back over USB, plus |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: it's sent to the serial port at bootup. A similar SHA-1 digest will be added for |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: FPGA bitstreams, then we'll be able to automatically determine whether we need |
| 01:48.18 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: to reload firmware or bitstream. |
| 01:48.38 | scanline | KeyserSoze: that's just a fancy high-bandwidth analog mux |
| 01:55.31 | lurgy | hehe |
| 01:55.31 | lurgy | hmm |
| 01:55.31 | lurgy | purple_cow: meh, i don't think i'm gonna go get my hair sheared |
| 01:55.31 | file[laptop] | KeyserSoze: is the rock decorated? |
| 01:55.31 | KeyserSoze | no, just a plain rock |
| 01:55.58 | purple_cow | lurgy: ok, i'll join you upstairs again in a bit, got an evo build to test |
| 01:56.14 | lurgy | kk |
| 01:58.01 | purple_cow | SWEEEEEET |
| 01:58.11 | lurgy | ?? |
| 02:00.45 | purple_cow | my plugin hooks work |
| 02:00.49 | lurgy | =D |
| 02:00.56 | KeyserSoze | eek, that was longer than i expected. |
| 02:01.35 | lurgy | yay! |
| 02:01.46 | lurgy | this still doesn't count as finishing qweather =p |
| 02:01.50 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:02.08 | KeyserSoze | anyway, the cool thing was that the #1 client-type program could either interface right into the data combiner thingee, or it could be run by a tcp/ip client program that connects to the #2 server app |
| 02:02.15 | purple_cow | once i get all this plugin hook stuff working (which will be a while ;), the weather calendar won't have to touch any evo code |
| 02:02.37 | purple_cow | and actually, neither would any calendar backend. You'd just have to write an e-d-s module and an EPlugin |
| 02:02.54 | ChipX86 | back |
| 02:03.04 | ChipX86 | the estimated ship date isn't any better, but at least it's a kick-ass laptop |
| 02:03.05 | KeyserSoze | so i guess that's like old-school unix pipes-and-filters, not this newfangled event devices you young kids are using today |
| 02:03.14 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: and cheaper! |
| 02:03.15 | kergoth | re |
| 02:03.16 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:03.23 | ChipX86 | KeyserSoze: not only are they new-fangled, but recently-foozled |
| 02:03.32 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: nope! |
| 02:03.34 | ChipX86 | paying $200 more |
| 02:03.42 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 02:03.46 | ChipX86 | but that also includes an AC adaptor and better battery and other stuff |
| 02:03.51 | ChipX86 | the laptop would cost you guys $4000 |
| 02:03.53 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: oh |
| 02:03.54 | nullpuppy | better screen? |
| 02:03.59 | scanline | KeyserSoze: well, I'm not sure event devices were designed for what I'm using them for.. but they're cool nonetheless |
| 02:04.01 | ChipX86 | 15" 1600x1200 native res |
| 02:04.02 | file[laptop] | well, if it's better... then it is good |
| 02:04.05 | nullpuppy | dear lord, thats not fair! |
| 02:04.11 | scanline | ooooo |
| 02:04.12 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: nice! |
| 02:04.16 | nullpuppy | i'm so envious :( |
| 02:04.21 | ChipX86 | hold on |
| 02:04.25 | ChipX86 | I have to increase that |
| 02:04.33 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 02:04.35 | purple_cow | scanline: well, i think they were just to create an extensible interface |
| 02:04.58 | scanline | yeah |
| 02:05.03 | ChipX86 | aww they don't show this one publicly apparently |
| 02:05.06 | scanline | a generic interface for all input devices |
| 02:05.16 | nullpuppy | aww |
| 02:06.03 | ChipX86 | oh well.. |
| 02:06.30 | KeyserSoze | my stuff just wrote newline delimited ascii messages, which was nice because you can have a CLI program, and then hook it up to other CLI programs, or to GUI programs. and run the programs in scripts, for automated testing. |
| 02:06.52 | KeyserSoze | but i could get away with it because none of the hardware we work with has very high data rates or data volumes |
| 02:08.09 | ChipX86 | http://www.exactchoice.com/profile_2687.aspx |
| 02:08.40 | ChipX86 | actually, a lot of that info is wrong |
| 02:08.44 | ChipX86 | the battery is better |
| 02:08.50 | KeyserSoze | didja get the giant-assed battery pack for your t42? |
| 02:08.54 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:08.57 | ChipX86 | came standard |
| 02:09.00 | KeyserSoze | it's rated for like 9 hours, right? |
| 02:09.03 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:09.07 | nullpuppy | i shouldnt have looked at that |
| 02:09.12 | KeyserSoze | that's freaking cool |
| 02:09.21 | kergoth | okay which laptop is this now? |
| 02:09.22 | nullpuppy | cause i really really want one and really really cant afford it ;) |
| 02:09.51 | ChipX86 | KeyserSoze: T42P, 1.8GHz PM, 1GB RAM, 60GB HD, DVD-RW/CD-RW, 15" LCD 1600x1200 native res |
| 02:09.57 | ChipX86 | er, kergoth |
| 02:10.07 | ChipX86 | bluetooth, 802.11b, etc |
| 02:10.20 | ChipX86 | 128MB DDR ATI Mobility FIREGL T2 |
| 02:11.09 | file[laptop] | only 802.11b? |
| 02:11.15 | KeyserSoze | is it like a mobile 9200, 9600, 9700? |
| 02:11.16 | kergoth | nifty |
| 02:11.21 | kergoth | sounds like a beast. how much does that weigh? |
| 02:11.26 | KeyserSoze | 4.9lbs |
| 02:11.27 | ChipX86 | KeyserSoze: dunno |
| 02:11.33 | kergoth | thats not bad |
| 02:11.37 | ChipX86 | actually, it's about 5.4 |
| 02:11.42 | kergoth | ah. heh. |
| 02:11.42 | ChipX86 | they all are though |
| 02:11.43 | nullpuppy | KeyserSoze: firegl cards are like nvidia's quatro cards |
| 02:11.46 | ChipX86 | all the good ones anyway :) |
| 02:11.59 | ChipX86 | http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/IBM_ThinkPad_T42p_2373/2373HTU/D88656/yahoo/ |
| 02:12.02 | nullpuppy | its highend 3d workstation cards |
| 02:12.12 | KeyserSoze | nullpuppy: i know they are the CAD cards, just don't know what consumer card they are comparable to in speed |
| 02:12.13 | nullpuppy | s/its/thy're/ |
| 02:12.23 | nullpuppy | not sure exacytly |
| 02:12.50 | purple_cow | typically workstation cards aren't much faster than consumer cards, they just have features that workstations tend to use, like better 3d texture support |
| 02:12.53 | purple_cow | and convolution kernels |
| 02:13.01 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 02:13.14 | scanline | often it's just a consumer card with better microcode :) |
| 02:13.28 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:13.35 | purple_cow | and in some cases, gobs and gobs and gobs of VRAM |
| 02:13.53 | ChipX86 | awesome, a wireless antenna. Whatever that means. |
| 02:14.11 | nullpuppy | potentialy better range |
| 02:14.20 | KeyserSoze | the toughbook 29 i want has similar specs, but is mil-std 810f ruggedized, weighs about 10lbs, has a big 'ol handle on it you can swing it around with to thwack your enemies upside the head. |
| 02:14.28 | ChipX86 | hahah |
| 02:14.29 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 02:14.31 | KeyserSoze | and it's waterproof, so you just hose the blood off afterwards |
| 02:14.38 | scanline | ChipX86: no, it's just an antenna you don't have to plug in to your wireless card |
| 02:14.41 | ChipX86 | and now, to do something incredibly frightening, I'm going to bake a cake |
| 02:14.46 | scanline | ChipX86: like a coathanger, but with a fancy stand |
| 02:14.47 | ChipX86 | scanline: ah |
| 02:14.49 | kergoth | ChipX86: good luck |
| 02:15.01 | scanline | ooh, cake |
| 02:15.12 | kergoth | speaking of cake, /me listens to the new album |
| 02:18.30 | CIA-8 | Gaim: 03chipx86 07oldstatus * 10gaim/NEWS: News. Why not? |
| 02:19.06 | pagefault | sure |
| 02:19.07 | pagefault | news is good |
| 02:19.41 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: what is this 'News' you speak of? |
| 02:19.50 | ChipX86 | release |
| 02:20.21 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 02:20.36 | purple_cow | i love how well professor strangelove spaced out the exams |
| 02:20.48 | purple_cow | there are 3 of them, and we're having the 2nd next week |
| 02:21.32 | scanline | ha |
| 02:23.28 | kergoth | i saw my shrink today right |
| 02:23.33 | kergoth | and he prescribed getting a life |
| 02:23.35 | pagefault | ooh |
| 02:23.36 | pagefault | this sg-1 is good |
| 02:23.38 | kergoth | i was decidedly amused |
| 02:23.44 | ChipX86 | pagefault: which? |
| 02:26.09 | file[laptop] | pagefault: I like it too |
| 02:26.14 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: Revisions |
| 02:27.21 | kergoth | yay pink floyd |
| 02:27.21 | ChipX86 | ahh |
| 02:27.26 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: did he specify where to obtain said life? |
| 02:27.34 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: unfortunately no |
| 02:28.12 | file[laptop] | that life thing is very silly |
| 02:29.11 | purple_cow | lurgy: ok, that's enough evo h4x0rin' |
| 02:30.52 | kergoth | how can you have any pudding if you dont eat your meat? |
| 02:31.08 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 02:31.34 | pagefault | they are all controlled by unix |
| 02:32.16 | CIA-8 | Gaim: 03chipx86 * 10web/htdocs/images/version.png: |
| 02:32.16 | CIA-8 | Gaim: Version image. You know, I've yet to make the version image commit sound |
| 02:32.16 | CIA-8 | Gaim: interesting in any way, shape, or form. |
| 02:33.39 | KeyserSoze | so where do you find info on event devices? kernel source code? |
| 02:33.53 | kergoth | google for docs on the input layer. |
| 02:35.05 | scanline | evdev and uinput are really just thin userspace interfaces to the kernel's input layer |
| 02:35.18 | KeyserSoze | is it USB specific? |
| 02:35.23 | scanline | far from it |
| 02:35.28 | lurgy | purple_cow: mkay, just as soon as i go dump laundry and get me some ice cream |
| 02:37.51 | scanline | woo, neat |
| 02:37.57 | scanline | File: [e6d995891f8f1ac7177c74ae01b857b0f04927dc] |
| 02:37.57 | scanline | Device: [e6d995891f8f1ac7177c74ae01b857b0f04927dc] |
| 02:37.57 | scanline | Firmware is up to date. |
| 02:42.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03micah * r5594 10wasabi/devices/unicone/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 02:42.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: Add an interface to unicone_device to query whether the firmware/bitstream |
| 02:42.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: currently loaded on a device match the one given on disk. This uses SHA-1 |
| 02:42.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: digests stored in the device's memory. These interfaces are now used to make |
| 02:42.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: loader_tool less dumb. |
| 02:42.12 | scanline | yay, commits are so fast |
| 02:46.04 | pagefault | ok enterprise has gotten really stupid |
| 02:46.22 | pagefault | nazis? |
| 02:46.24 | pagefault | zombies? |
| 02:46.35 | lurgy | giraffes? |
| 02:50.35 | CIA-8 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/include/IRCUserManager.h: redone user manager API |
| 02:51.31 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r5595 10evo/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add an EPlugin for webcal sources. Right now this just has an entry in our "fake" properties dialog for the URL |
| 02:51.35 | purple_cow | wowzers |
| 02:51.36 | purple_cow | that is fast |
| 02:53.24 | pagefault | this episode reminds me of an outer limits episode |
| 02:56.16 | file[laptop] | okay, don't know if I liked that ending |
| 02:57.31 | pagefault | yeah it was odd |
| 02:57.36 | pagefault | but next episode looks good |
| 02:57.44 | file[laptop] | yup |
| 03:00.13 | pagefault | V looks goofy |
| 03:00.31 | file[laptop] | well it is |
| 03:13.30 | kergoth | crap, out of soda, and juice, and everything but water and alcohol. |
| 03:13.31 | kergoth | *again* |
| 03:13.39 | file[laptop] | bad kergoth bad |
| 03:14.53 | scanline | you should try mixing the water and alcohol, to see what it tastes like |
| 03:15.31 | kergoth | watered down alcohol |
| 03:15.37 | file[laptop] | family comes to visit tomorrow... oh joy |
| 03:24.40 | laodamas | hrm, Bill O'reilly will be on the Daily Show tonight |
| 03:29.25 | ChipX86 | it's such an ego boost knowing you're too dumb to make cake |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03micah * r5596 10wasabi/devices/unicone/ (include/unicone.h src/device.c): |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: Fix repeated bitstream uploads, doing some cleanup along the way. Something in |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: either our tusb library, libusb, or linux was eating the 20-byte bulk write |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: holding our SHA-1 digest the second time a bitstream was sent after installing |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: firmware. We now send the SHA-1 digest and bitstream itself in one continuous |
| 03:29.37 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: group of bulk packets. |
| 03:29.57 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: lol |
| 03:30.13 | nullpuppy | cake is easy to make |
| 03:30.20 | ChipX86 | not when you screw it up as bad as I do |
| 03:30.30 | nullpuppy | making good cake.... that ... i'm not so sure... :) |
| 03:34.13 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: well, did you create anything at all? |
| 03:34.18 | file[laptop] | even if it's a new strain of bacteria? |
| 03:34.19 | ChipX86 | I'm washing pans |
| 03:34.22 | ChipX86 | going to start over |
| 03:34.54 | ChipX86 | yay Dead Like Me |
| 03:35.13 | file[laptop] | this sleep thing continues to be silly |
| 03:35.42 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 03:35.50 | nullpuppy | i need to get more of the second season |
| 03:41.09 | file[laptop] | sleepy time |
| 03:41.28 | darth_mall | that was a cool movie |
| 03:41.28 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03micah * r5597 10wasabi/devices/unicone/src/ (device.c device.h gc_test.c led_test.c): |
| 03:41.28 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: Yay, now the individual apps (led_test, gc_test) need only call |
| 03:41.28 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: unicone_device_configure() with the firmware and FPGA bitstream they need. The |
| 03:41.28 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: specified firmware and bitstream will be installed on the device only if |
| 03:41.28 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: necessary. |
| 03:45.11 | nullpuppy | 285hrs left for joan of arcadia |
| 03:45.21 | kergoth | is that all? |
| 03:45.24 | kergoth | heh. |
| 03:45.45 | nullpuppy | yeah :/ too fscking long |
| 03:47.16 | KeyserSoze | heh. |
| 03:47.30 | kergoth | /media/200gb/part8 170291756 169070480 1221276 100% /srv/share |
| 03:47.33 | kergoth | doh |
| 03:47.40 | KeyserSoze | i noticed scanline's last commit was in unicone, and went to the svn webpage to look around |
| 03:48.22 | KeyserSoze | there is mention of Microchip i2c serial memory |
| 03:49.34 | scanline | what about i2c memory? |
| 03:49.36 | KeyserSoze | they are really chip (like $0.2), and can hold up to 1kB |
| 03:49.49 | scanline | the biggest I've seen hold 128kB |
| 03:49.56 | KeyserSoze | oh, just that they are cool little devices |
| 03:50.00 | scanline | those are more like $8 |
| 03:50.02 | scanline | ;) |
| 03:50.05 | scanline | yeah, they're quite neat |
| 03:50.08 | KeyserSoze | oops, i meant 1kb |
| 03:50.59 | KeyserSoze | i was looking at the 24aa01 i think, which is 1kb (128B), and only like 20 cents |
| 03:51.22 | scanline | unicone uses a small EEPROM to provide the TUSB3410 bootloader with a USB descriptor |
| 03:51.35 | scanline | then it sends the final firmware and FPGA configuration over USB to that bootloader |
| 03:52.05 | scanline | they're handy for stuff like that |
| 03:52.13 | scanline | I'm using one of the 128kB chips at work for data logging |
| 03:52.14 | KeyserSoze | then when you plug a sensor into the mainboard, you get all it's calibration info automatically |
| 03:52.46 | KeyserSoze | no more having to store all cal. info in a database, decide in advance what sensor goes into what device, and program the device with the cal info offline |
| 03:53.19 | scanline | and lots of devices have I2C ports these days- and when they don't, it's easy to bitbang |
| 03:53.58 | KeyserSoze | yeah, bitbanging would be no problem for my application, because you can read the cal file once and store it in ram or even flash until the next time the device boots |
| 03:54.05 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:54.59 | KeyserSoze | when do you graduate, scanline? |
| 03:55.13 | scanline | probably next may |
| 03:55.28 | KeyserSoze | are you planning on grad school, or going into the working world right off? |
| 03:55.36 | scanline | work. I can't stand school |
| 03:55.38 | darth_mall | scanline was made for grad school |
| 03:55.42 | KeyserSoze | heh |
| 03:56.34 | darth_mall | if there is someone more perfect for grad school then scanline, I haven't met them |
| 03:56.45 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 03:56.58 | KeyserSoze | perfect in that he hates school? or some other way? :) |
| 03:57.31 | scanline | not just that, but I've gotten surprisingly little benefit out of school so far |
| 03:57.48 | scanline | so I don't know why I would go out of my way to sink more tuition money and time down the hole |
| 03:58.50 | KeyserSoze | but then i went to grad school part time, and the one i went to sucked even compared to my undergrad |
| 03:58.56 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:59.07 | darth_mall | it would be so cool to be a stunt driver |
| 03:59.07 | kergoth | i love this channel. whenever i think about going back to school, those thoughts dont last long |
| 03:59.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:59.41 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: if by good you the most unimaginably painful experience of your life, then yes! |
| 03:59.44 | KeyserSoze | i kinda want another MS, but don't want to waste the time for a mickey-mouse thing like my first one was |
| 03:59.45 | scanline | I can see how I'd like a place like MIT if I was the sort who could spend all my time working on school and stay sane |
| 04:00.57 | KeyserSoze | i work with people who have $80k of school loans, and i can't really see that they learned anything more than i did |
| 04:01.05 | kergoth | ow |
| 04:01.16 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: they didn't... but they got that cute little piece of paper =D |
| 04:01.22 | KeyserSoze | so i don't know if the el-cheapo state schools actually suck, or maybe all schools are like that |
| 04:01.38 | KeyserSoze | well, they work with me, so it couldn't have done them too much good ;) |
| 04:01.42 | kergoth | thankfully i'm in a field that made it easy to establish contacts that allow me to bypass HR to land jobs |
| 04:01.44 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: I spent 3 semesters at a small school, and it was great |
| 04:01.49 | kergoth | otherwise, lacking a degree, i'd be screwed |
| 04:02.28 | KeyserSoze | my undergrad school was like 15,000 students, but the applied math graduating class was under 100 |
| 04:02.40 | darth_mall | yay under 100 |
| 04:02.49 | KeyserSoze | so all my high level math classes were small, all my cs and physics classes were small |
| 04:03.40 | KeyserSoze | so it wasn't like some people have told me their schools were, where a half-asleep TA teaches the class |
| 04:05.23 | darth_mall | they'd probably be less obnoxious |
| 04:05.47 | KeyserSoze | in what way are they obnoxious? |
| 04:05.51 | KeyserSoze | arrogant? |
| 04:05.57 | KeyserSoze | condesending? |
| 04:06.21 | scanline | clueless? |
| 04:06.41 | darth_mall | largely, they're not good teachers, and shouldn't be in charge of a class |
| 04:06.47 | darth_mall | about half of them barely speak english |
| 04:06.56 | darth_mall | and a precious few of them know anything worth hearing |
| 04:07.25 | ChipX86 | yay for paying bills |
| 04:07.39 | KeyserSoze | hehe. i had this cool guy for my digital logic and circuits classes. he was from nigeria, and reading binary would sound like "ah wa, ah wa, ah zeeero, ah wa" |
| 04:08.05 | darth_mall | there was one in data structures who subbed for my class that was so unbelievably arrogant I could have stabbed him |
| 04:08.07 | KeyserSoze | and until after the semester ended, i didn't know "ah-ess toodely-too" was rs232 |
| 04:08.17 | darth_mall | but other than Asad most of them have been nice people |
| 04:09.50 | KeyserSoze | do your fellow students seem interested in learning? |
| 04:09.57 | darth_mall | sorta |
| 04:10.06 | darth_mall | some of them are interested in doing their hw and passing their tests |
| 04:10.10 | darth_mall | which is not the same as learning |
| 04:10.22 | darth_mall | some of them are just interested in drinking and getting paid a lot for having their degree |
| 04:10.59 | scanline | I've seen very few that are actually interested in learning |
| 04:11.29 | KeyserSoze | most of the people i went to school with were of three types: 1) want to get the diploma 2) want to try hard enough to get good grades, but *only* cared about the grades 3) want to drink a lot, and think college is a good place to socialize |
| 04:11.31 | scanline | and of those, hardly anyone that actually knows how to learn despite being a student |
| 04:12.26 | ChipX86 | do any of you pay bills online for companies that don't have e-bills set up at the bank site? |
| 04:12.38 | darth_mall | unfortunately, about half the people with brains I've met are more interested in flirting with the teachers |
| 04:12.45 | kergoth | ChipX86: i never set anything up with the bank |
| 04:13.00 | kergoth | less hassle. i pay them all online or over the phone directly |
| 04:13.07 | KeyserSoze | ChipX86: my bank mails checks to places that don't accept e-bills |
| 04:13.07 | ChipX86 | that's my plan |
| 04:13.19 | ChipX86 | the City of Palo Alto Utilities says to send this bill stub with the payment |
| 04:13.22 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: ah, thats cool, i should do that |
| 04:13.24 | ChipX86 | I'm wondering how important that really is |
| 04:13.46 | KeyserSoze | ChipX86: i payed a bill like that, with just the account number, and it worked |
| 04:13.49 | KeyserSoze | ymmv |
| 04:14.21 | ChipX86 | heh, this is Palo Alto. I'm a bit surprised this isn't in BoA's listings |
| 04:14.34 | KeyserSoze | instead of going to school with people who want grades, and working with people who want paychecks |
| 04:15.56 | KeyserSoze | i guess it depends on where you work |
| 04:17.06 | KeyserSoze | not a racecar driver? |
| 04:17.20 | KeyserSoze | darth_mall: what do you do? |
| 04:18.00 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: I work with scanline and slimspace|away at Space Grant |
| 04:18.08 | ChipX86 | ooh I can set up automatic payment of my utilities bills |
| 04:18.17 | darth_mall | though... I haven't been working much lately... stupid school *grumble grumble* |
| 04:18.58 | ChipX86 | We plan to offer you the ability to pay your utilities bill with a credit card online or over the phone through our Customer Services Phone Center. Until we are able to provide these methods of payment, we offer an Automatic Bank Draft Program at no charge to you. |
| 04:19.02 | ChipX86 | grr |
| 04:19.29 | KeyserSoze | it's kind of odd that when people are out of school they refer to jobs as being intrinsic to someone's identity |
| 04:21.15 | KeyserSoze | i don't think i know who slimspace|away is |
| 04:22.31 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: he's a guy that scanline and I work with ^^ |
| 04:22.54 | KeyserSoze | did he hang out in #tuxscreen or #tacobeam before that? |
| 04:23.07 | KeyserSoze | and does gonkulat1r still come in here occasionally? |
| 04:23.23 | kergoth | gonkulator drops by like once a week or so. he's at seminary |
| 04:23.31 | darth_mall | gonkulat1r's around when he's not too busy praying that the internet won't condemn him to hell |
| 04:23.31 | KeyserSoze | eek |
| 04:23.35 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 04:23.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:23.45 | kergoth | yay hell! |
| 04:23.46 | kergoth | err :) |
| 04:24.17 | KeyserSoze | seminary -> catholic? |
| 04:24.24 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: yup |
| 04:24.28 | darth_mall | of the Roman persuasion |
| 04:24.33 | darth_mall | I believe |
| 04:25.26 | KeyserSoze | those guys were wack |
| 04:25.38 | KeyserSoze | er, is wack a good thing? maybe i meant "wacked" |
| 04:25.42 | darth_mall | hehe... Aquinas |
| 04:26.06 | darth_mall | KeyserSoze: hip new jargon is silly |
| 04:26.47 | ChipX86 | it disturbs me that I don't have a DirecTV bill yet |
| 04:27.01 | kergoth | it disturbs me that i have as many bills as i do. sigh. |
| 04:27.06 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 04:27.28 | KeyserSoze | i sometimes forget to pay them for a month or two |
| 04:27.31 | kergoth | i'd really like to kick my dad out of my townhouse and sell it |
| 04:27.38 | kergoth | or at least raise his rent to fully cover the costs |
| 04:27.44 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: heh. i do that too often |
| 04:27.50 | ChipX86 | and apparently, I'm not on file with DirecTV |
| 04:27.50 | KeyserSoze | do you live there too? |
| 04:27.51 | ChipX86 | hmmm |
| 04:28.01 | kergoth | nah, the house is in minnesota, i'm in an apartment in tx |
| 04:28.05 | ChipX86 | should I worry about this? |
| 04:28.12 | kergoth | charging him like $300 under the actual mortgage cost |
| 04:28.27 | kergoth | cut him a deal since he was having a midlife crisis |
| 04:28.29 | KeyserSoze | ChipX86: probably. if you ignore it, 6 months from now you will get a huge bill and late charges |
| 04:28.43 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 04:28.46 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: haven't you lived in tx for like 3 years now? |
| 04:28.54 | kergoth | not quite 2 |
| 04:28.54 | ChipX86 | maybe it just haven't arrived yet |
| 04:28.56 | kergoth | but yeah, its been a while |
| 04:28.57 | ChipX86 | hasn't |
| 04:29.13 | kergoth | and he's paid me about a grand total of 3-4 months worth in that 2 years |
| 04:29.21 | KeyserSoze | eek |
| 04:29.34 | kergoth | depression, etc. he's on medication now, hopefully he'll get off his ass |
| 04:29.38 | kergoth | i'd really rather not kick my dad out |
| 04:29.53 | kergoth | parents suck |
| 04:30.21 | KeyserSoze | how's the crossfire? |
| 04:30.55 | kergoth | love it :) |
| 04:31.00 | kergoth | all fixed up after the accident now |
| 04:31.14 | KeyserSoze | accident? what happened? |
| 04:31.35 | kergoth | had it around 2 months when some guy ran his red light and nailed my passenger side :\ |
| 04:31.38 | kergoth | over $8k in damage |
| 04:31.44 | kergoth | i was not a happy camper |
| 04:31.46 | KeyserSoze | damn. |
| 04:32.10 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/dl/kergoth/crossfire/crossfire_boom1.jpg |
| 04:32.28 | KeyserSoze | i had my vette in for body work twice. once they touched up cracks in the front and rear fascia, from flying highway debris and an inattentive parker |
| 04:32.45 | kergoth | ugh, door dings suck |
| 04:32.49 | kergoth | what year vette? |
| 04:32.59 | nullpuppy | yay professor chaos episode of south park |
| 04:33.05 | KeyserSoze | the second time, someone backed into my car and knocked a whole in my plastic fender like 6" by 1' |
| 04:33.10 | KeyserSoze | 1999 vette |
| 04:33.58 | KeyserSoze | 6 speed, aftermarket springs, shocks, swaybars, camshaft, intake manifold, long tube exhaust headers |
| 04:34.08 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:34.19 | kergoth | this is the first car i've ever owned that i actually give a shit about |
| 04:34.28 | KeyserSoze | ported oil pump, double roller timing chain, chromemoly pushrods, dual valvesprings, titanium retainers |
| 04:34.31 | darth_mall | you people and your cars |
| 04:36.47 | KeyserSoze | the blocks are sleeved, so the only options until then are: 1) 3.9" bore aluminum block (what i've got) 2) 4" bore iron block (100lbs heavier) 3) resleeved aluminum block, 4.0-4.2" bore $$$$ |
