| 00:09.53 | lurgyman | captain_proton: mission accomplished :) |
| 00:11.47 | scanline | grmph |
| 00:12.20 | gonkulator | scanline: better? |
| 00:12.38 | captain_proton | scanline: i promise i'll stay away from yoshi for a bit :) |
| 00:12.39 | scanline | gonkulator: AIM's creepy, I close the conversation window and it doesn't make you leave :P |
| 00:13.07 | gonkulator | with MSN, it tells you when the other person closes the window |
| 00:13.53 | scanline | I'm still a little disturbed about having IRC-timestamp-shaped screen burnin on my LCD |
| 00:14.26 | scanline | but at least I'm not about to go buy another one exactly like it ;) |
| 00:14.37 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:15.02 | captain_proton | you were talking just a couple days ago about it |
| 00:15.11 | gonkulator | yeah, I'm *considering* it |
| 00:15.14 | lurgyman | scanline: nuh uh, all you have to do is give your current one to me and *then* go buy another one |
| 00:15.16 | lurgyman | everybody wins! |
| 00:15.17 | lurgyman | :p |
| 00:15.22 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:15.24 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 00:18.32 | scanline | http://www.ogre3d.org/tmp/cel_shading_3.jpg |
| 00:19.23 | lurgyman | uh, wow |
| 00:19.47 | pagefault | I could go for a taco right now |
| 00:19.50 | lurgyman | it's like a 3-color shaded ogre :) |
| 00:19.55 | captain_proton | wow |
| 00:19.55 | pagefault | I wish the tacobeam would beam me one down |
| 00:19.59 | pagefault | thanks! |
| 00:20.10 | scanline | one of the ogre devs is having fun with shaders :) |
| 00:20.14 | lurgyman | there are reiser4 ebuilds? |
| 00:20.38 | ChipX86 | make |
| 00:20.39 | ChipX86 | oops |
| 00:20.45 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 00:21.01 | captain_proton | lurgyman: breakmygentoo |
| 00:21.14 | lurgyman | there's a difference between living life on the edge and living life over the edge hurtling down the cliff face at terminal velocity |
| 00:21.18 | lurgyman | heh |
| 00:21.30 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 00:21.32 | lurgyman | speaking of which |
| 00:21.33 | ChipX86 | I'm so screwed with two of these finals |
| 00:23.00 | lurgyman | :( |
| 00:23.03 | captain_proton | mmm, bmg has an ebuild for the gtk cairo engine |
| 00:23.05 | darth_mall | ChipX86: I've got a calc final in two hours that I haven't studied for at all |
| 00:23.10 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:23.17 | ChipX86 | well, good luck :P |
| 00:23.55 | ChipX86 | I'm tempted not to bother studying for these.. animal science has a whole lot of numbers and breed names that I cannot memorize no matter how I try, and history has a few hundred pages containing a lot of information packed together |
| 00:24.05 | darth_mall | gonkulator: I doubt it |
| 00:24.13 | ChipX86 | and the finals are all monday, tuesday, and wednesday, so that doesn't leave much time |
| 00:24.20 | gonkulator | darth_mall: :'( |
| 00:24.24 | captain_proton | ChipX86: i'm pretty much taking that approach with my last two finals |
| 00:24.48 | captain_proton | though i should probably review the bit on nonsymmetric eigenproblems & such |
| 00:24.58 | scanline | hehe, eigenstuff |
| 00:25.54 | merlin{landing} | mmmmm... eigen |
| 00:26.12 | merlin{landing} | sortof |
| 00:26.15 | merlin{landing} | it's been a while |
| 00:26.32 | ChipX86 | "Be able to list the market grades for beef, pork, lamb, poultry, and eggs and how they are determined. Know the dressing percentages!" |
| 00:26.45 | darth_mall | ChipX86: what the heck is that? |
| 00:26.46 | ChipX86 | "Be able to calculate costs and returns and appreciate the current market situation regarding the bottom line." |
| 00:27.06 | ChipX86 | "Be sure you understand the Production cycle for each group of livestock -- ages, weights, Average Daily Gain and feed intake." |
| 00:27.10 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: pain |
| 00:27.10 | lurgyman | yikes, fone |
| 00:27.18 | scanline | bah, silly phone |
| 00:27.18 | ChipX86 | Animal Science class |
| 00:27.21 | darth_mall | captain_proton: phone!! |
| 00:27.32 | darth_mall | ChipX86: why are you taking that? |
| 00:27.37 | ChipX86 | I thought it was something else |
| 00:27.42 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:27.45 | darth_mall | scanline: poke david |
| 00:28.02 | scanline | I think he already poked himself |
| 00:28.06 | darth_mall | you guys need to keep a phone down there |
| 00:28.27 | scanline | or we could just disconnect all the phones :) |
| 00:28.41 | darth_mall | no, cuz then my folks can't get a hold of me |
| 00:29.23 | gonkulator | lol, three phones? |
| 00:29.29 | scanline | we have three phones? |
| 00:29.36 | captain_proton | there are only 2 upstairs |
| 00:29.40 | darth_mall | tux screen, the one for lurgyman's fone and my fone |
| 00:29.46 | darth_mall | that's 3 |
| 00:30.04 | gonkulator | ah |
| 00:30.29 | darth_mall | ? |
| 00:30.32 | lurgyman | well |
| 00:30.36 | lurgyman | the tux is big and bulky |
| 00:30.40 | lurgyman | though i guess you could move it |
| 00:30.40 | lurgyman | and |
| 00:31.03 | lurgyman | it's best if mine is as close as possible to its remote thingy :) |
| 00:31.10 | lurgyman | at least, for my purposes |
| 00:31.19 | darth_mall | what about that white one that belongs to captain_proton that is disconnected |
| 00:31.25 | gonkulator | that one sucks |
| 00:31.28 | darth_mall | it's in my room for my convenience |
| 00:31.36 | scanline | I thought it was pretty dead |
| 00:31.44 | lurgyman | that one will want to go all answering machiney... and we can't make stuff work happy |
| 00:32.24 | lurgyman | darth_mall: hey now, i answer too :) |
| 00:32.29 | darth_mall | lurgyman: I know |
| 00:33.30 | darth_mall | scanline: the problem with no one answering the fone is that we pay for it |
| 00:33.43 | darth_mall | so what's the point if people can't get a hold of us on it |
| 00:34.22 | scanline | it's there so we can get internet access :) |
| 00:34.32 | darth_mall | yes, but my parents call me on it |
| 00:34.38 | darth_mall | so I don't have to waste cell phone minutes |
| 00:34.41 | darth_mall | and lurgyman's too |
| 00:34.44 | darth_mall | and yours and captain_proton's |
| 00:34.49 | lurgyman | yep |
| 00:35.06 | scanline | I know you use it... but my point is that the phone is hardly ever for me, so there's not much point for me to answer it |
| 00:35.24 | darth_mall | scanline: actually, it's just that when it's for you you're usually at work |
| 00:35.30 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 00:35.35 | scanline | hah. who is it usually? |
| 00:35.40 | darth_mall | your mom |
| 00:35.47 | scanline | guess that makes sense |
| 00:35.51 | darth_mall | she calls about as often as david's or mine does |
| 00:35.57 | scanline | everyone else knows I prefer email |
| 00:36.08 | darth_mall | mom's are like that |
| 00:36.13 | gonkulator | not all moms |
| 00:36.20 | gonkulator | for some reason, my mom uses email |
| 00:36.26 | scanline | my dad always emails me instead of calling |
| 00:36.39 | gonkulator | heh, my mom even emails scanline |
| 00:37.00 | darth_mall | gonkulator: no, I'm usually the one that answers the phone when they've lost you =P |
| 00:37.15 | darth_mall | two |
| 00:37.18 | darth_mall | that happened twice |
| 00:37.24 | gonkulator | twice??? |
| 00:37.29 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 00:37.52 | hardwire | hi |
| 00:37.52 | darth_mall | the other time they weren't as panicked |
| 00:38.00 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 00:38.04 | gonkulator | but still... |
| 00:38.32 | gonkulator | darth_mall: on abacaxi? |
| 00:38.35 | darth_mall | no |
| 00:38.43 | darth_mall | my goddamn iBook |
| 00:38.49 | gonkulator | oh, cause if it was abacaxi, I could give you nova's old supply |
| 00:39.01 | darth_mall | I think it worn out cuz of the stress it gets put under in the living room |
| 00:39.08 | darth_mall | which is dumb |
| 00:39.13 | darth_mall | because that shouldn't have worn it out |
| 00:39.20 | gonkulator | yeah... |
| 00:39.26 | darth_mall | but that's the only explanation I can think of |
| 00:39.40 | darth_mall | because when captain_proton was using it was stretched pretty tight around the coffee table |
| 00:39.46 | darth_mall | but that shouldn't have broken it |
| 00:40.10 | scanline | darth_mall: if you can find the break in the cord it should be fixable |
| 00:40.15 | scanline | assuming it's the cord at all |
| 00:40.30 | darth_mall | but I'm cranky all the same |
| 00:40.45 | gonkulator | and then the supplies themselves b0rked |
| 00:40.49 | darth_mall | because I'm getting very aggravated at all the things that seem to be going wrong on my laptop |
| 00:40.54 | scanline | gonkulator: I'm not sure I'd call that 'fixed'... |
| 00:41.08 | gonkulator | scanline: don't be dissin my duct tape skills :) |
| 00:41.22 | ChipX86 | yikes, ~/cvs is 9GB |
| 00:41.36 | gonkulator | ChipX86: thats crazy... it should be commited |
| 00:41.48 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 00:43.03 | lurgyman | yay |
| 00:43.10 | lurgyman | er |
| 00:43.11 | lurgyman | thinks |
| 00:45.50 | ChipX86 | sigh.. I can't study for 3 finals in 2 days. It's just not possible |
| 00:46.22 | gonkulator | memorization classes suck |
| 00:46.32 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 00:46.41 | ChipX86 | and having all the finals at the beginning of the week also sucks |
| 00:47.03 | ChipX86 | now animal science I'll probably pass, even if I do bad on the final.. same with animal science. That leaves history, but I'm going to probably fail that regardless |
| 00:47.05 | lurgyman | :( |
| 00:47.20 | ChipX86 | I should just decide not to go next semester |
| 00:47.30 | ChipX86 | the classes I'm taking next semester will make this semester look like child's play |
| 00:47.45 | gonkulator | imagine the code you could get done if you didn't go to class |
| 00:47.51 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 00:47.55 | ChipX86 | I'll try to find a job |
| 00:48.22 | ChipX86 | problem is that I'll get another huge lecture from my parents if I so much as mention that I don't want to go to school for a semester |
| 00:48.53 | gonkulator | and you wouldn't see Rachel at school |
| 00:48.57 | ChipX86 | nod.. |
| 00:49.44 | scanline | as a fully qualified hairdresser? |
| 00:49.51 | darth_mall | lol |
| 00:50.37 | gonkulator | the hairdresser degeree would probably be better for getting a job... |
| 00:50.40 | gonkulator | but we'll see |
| 00:51.06 | gonkulator | hopefully someone will have use of a philosopher out there :) |
| 00:51.43 | lurgyman | the CIA secret philosophy branch? |
| 00:51.47 | gonkulator | s/of/for/ |
| 00:52.57 | gonkulator | lurgyman: I doubt it |
| 00:53.33 | gonkulator | so we'll just see what the future holds |
| 00:53.42 | lurgyman | gonkulator: you're right, i bet that's a pretty hard job to get what with all the competition and all :-/ |
| 00:54.22 | gonkulator | lurgyman: now if the NSA had a philosophy division... :) |
| 00:54.30 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 00:56.07 | gonkulator | anyway, time to get started on the last paper |
| 00:56.10 | gonkulator | later lurgyman |
| 00:56.12 | lurgyman | yay |
| 00:56.14 | gonkulator | ChipX86: good luck |
| 00:56.14 | lurgyman | byebye |
| 00:56.18 | lurgyman | indeed |
| 00:56.21 | gonkulator | darth_mall: good luck to you too |
| 00:59.37 | ChipX86 | ah, screw it. The General Ed requirements page now says you must take a PE class, which I can't do |
| 01:00.24 | scanline | hah, a PE class in college? |
| 01:00.29 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:00.36 | captain_proton | hah, i almost wish CU did that |
| 01:00.38 | ChipX86 | damnit.. I'm so tired of school |
| 01:00.40 | scanline | I thought that was more of a high school thing |
| 01:00.42 | captain_proton | so i could take some rediculous MA class |
| 01:01.23 | scanline | ChipX86: same here.. I feel like I've already taken everything worthwhile |
| 01:01.29 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 01:01.43 | ChipX86 | I mean, look at this.. I'm taking ANIMAL SCIENCE to fulfill a requirement |
| 01:02.00 | darth_mall | however, I am so sick of wasting my time in school not learning anything useful |
| 01:02.06 | scanline | even though I've had a couple very neat classes, the majority of my classes here have done absolutely nothing for me |
| 01:02.13 | captain_proton | mmmyup |
| 01:02.22 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:02.27 | ChipX86 | this is a screwed up system |
| 01:02.48 | scanline | then I see people who have degrees doing really boneheaded things... |
| 01:03.09 | lurgyman | obviously you can't force people to be smart |
| 01:03.22 | lurgyman | you can forcefeed them information |
| 01:03.26 | lurgyman | but that won't make them smart |
| 01:03.35 | scanline | I don't -want- a degree, it means nothing except that I was stupid enough to sit though lectures from people who don't understand what they're teaching |
| 01:03.38 | ChipX86 | question, because I'm not sure of this.. what's more important to companies, a degree, or previous experience at other good-sized companies? |
| 01:04.09 | captain_proton | depends on the company |
| 01:04.09 | lurgyman | scanline: that's cuz you're in CS that nobody understands what they're teaching currently ;) |
| 01:04.30 | scanline | lurgyman: well, there are a couple of neat classes... algorithms and AI are the only ones that come to mind |
| 01:04.34 | scanline | the rest has been completely useless |
| 01:04.45 | ChipX86 | sounds like I have very little to look forward to |
| 01:04.48 | darth_mall | yay! I'm in algorithms next semester |
| 01:04.55 | ChipX86 | at least CSU, Chico isn't a really bad school, CS-wise.. |
| 01:05.04 | ChipX86 | but it's going to be another year, minimum, before I can get there |
| 01:05.21 | ChipX86 | this so-called 2 year college takes most people 4+ years |
| 01:05.23 | darth_mall | I think I'm in trouble on this test |
| 01:05.57 | captain_proton | darth_mall: who do you have? |
| 01:06.08 | scanline | I'd be happy for quite a while I think if I could just get a 'real' job doing the same stuff I do at spacegrant |
| 01:06.38 | darth_mall | captain_proton: I don't remember |
| 01:06.53 | scanline | 'real' meaning in this case that I work with people who I can learn from |
| 01:07.08 | darth_mall | scanline: you should mail yourself to the National Alcohol Sellers Association |
| 01:07.16 | scanline | heh |
| 01:07.24 | lurgyman | scanline: any field as young as CS is bound to have a thinner curriculum until academia figures out what's actually important for the students to learn |
| 01:07.29 | darth_mall | then pop out of the box and shout 'Hire me!' |
| 01:07.38 | captain_proton | darth_mall: you can look it up ;) |
| 01:07.43 | darth_mall | captain_proton: I can, but not now |
| 01:07.51 | lurgyman | scanline: from what i hear, EE curricula were like that too for a long while |
| 01:08.17 | scanline | lurgyman: EE still has the same problem from what I've seen, just not as badly as CS |
| 01:08.17 | lurgyman | still are, to some extent |
| 01:08.23 | lurgyman | yep |
| 01:08.33 | scanline | people come out learning the theory, which is good, but without any clue how it all fits together |
| 01:08.35 | lurgyman | well |
| 01:08.53 | ChipX86 | my friend Kristy and I started talking about finals, and I mentioned the PE thing and the problems with other classes. She thinks all my problems would be solved if I take ballroom dancing |
| 01:09.09 | ChipX86 | I think she's missing the point |
| 01:09.31 | lurgyman | scanline: people have to figure out how to fit the things together on their own... it's not really something you can teach. all you can do is give them all the pieces and hope they can fit them together. |
| 01:09.41 | darth_mall | god, I don't remember any of this old material |
| 01:09.42 | lurgyman | of course there will be retards that come out not getting the point |
| 01:10.21 | scanline | lurgyman: sure.. but there seem to be way too many of those people, degree or not |
| 01:10.28 | lurgyman | and even more who don't seen why they should have to understand the theory who will come out, and they will get menial jobs that involve no creativity whatsoever |
| 01:10.32 | lurgyman | scanline: always are :) |
| 01:11.00 | lurgyman | because how the pieces fit together is where all the fun is :) |
| 01:11.29 | lurgyman | and if you don't have the pieces, then you won't have any idea what you're doing and will end up like darth_mall's components lab partner :) |
| 01:12.27 | darth_mall | grrr |
| 01:12.33 | darth_mall | why won't my Z connect to the network now |
| 01:12.50 | lurgyman | :( |
| 01:13.07 | scanline | lurgyman: I'm just frustrated that degrees are so important in our society when they don't mean squat |
| 01:13.32 | captain_proton | they -should- mean squat |
| 01:13.41 | ChipX86 | ... she cannot get it through her head that taking ballroom dancing is NOT the answer to my school problems right now |
| 01:13.59 | scanline | well, yeah... |
| 01:14.09 | darth_mall | ballroom dancing? |
| 01:14.19 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: yeah |
| 01:14.35 | ChipX86 | they seem to have just added a PE requirement. 2 required PE classes to finish general ed |
| 01:14.44 | lurgyman | scanline: they only mean something as far as getting your foot in the door. they're like giant 4-year certifications that you've been pumped full of a minimum quota of information... if you suck at what you do with it naturally you won't really get anywhere |
| 01:15.07 | darth_mall | ChipX86: you should explode them all |
| 01:15.18 | ChipX86 | lurgyman: ok, now pretend we got jobs at a good company. Is the degree worth anything after that? |
| 01:15.25 | lurgyman | nope :) |
| 01:15.29 | ChipX86 | then screw it |
| 01:15.41 | lurgyman | depending on what sort of position you have, i guess |
| 01:15.48 | lurgyman | if it's an internship you probably still need the degree |
| 01:16.03 | lurgyman | of course |
| 01:16.06 | captain_proton | still depends on the company |
| 01:16.09 | lurgyman | i'm just pulling all of this out of my ass |
| 01:16.14 | captain_proton | some internships have ways of turning into real jobs |
| 01:16.18 | lurgyman | yep |
| 01:16.24 | lurgyman | most often at the company you're working for |
| 01:16.31 | lurgyman | s/working/already working/ |
| 01:16.43 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:16.58 | darth_mall | ChipX86: I'm not sure about the degree thing, captain_proton's probably right, it probably depends on the Co. but... |
| 01:17.14 | darth_mall | I know a number of my uncles have constantly been worried about losing the jobs they have because they have no degree |
| 01:17.16 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: I'm looking at 6 years minimum |
| 01:17.28 | darth_mall | captain_proton: I think that is a good idea |
| 01:17.35 | darth_mall | when I get back from my test, it will be good |
| 01:17.59 | scanline | I have nothing left to look forward to in college |
| 01:18.00 | lurgyman | and of course all of this is exaggerated in CS since it's such a rapidly changing field that requires such a ridiculous amount of work to keep up in |
| 01:18.01 | captain_proton | something to utterly destroy your happiness after completing the exam >:) |
| 01:18.08 | captain_proton | scanline: you have the end to look forward to ;) |
| 01:18.13 | lurgyman | so the professors are almost certainly going to be behind the times |
| 01:18.26 | scanline | captain_proton: no, that just means that finally I'm 'allowed' to get a real job, when I could have done that at any time |
| 01:18.26 | captain_proton | well, CS is weird |
| 01:18.34 | darth_mall | lurgyman: I don't think it takes a ridiculous amount of work to keep up in, not if you enjoy it |
| 01:18.42 | captain_proton | it would be good if they actually tried to teach CS |
| 01:18.46 | darth_mall | captain_proton and scanline keep up just fine |
| 01:18.49 | captain_proton | it might also be OK if they tried to teach software engineering |
| 01:18.50 | darth_mall | because they do it for fun |
| 01:18.56 | captain_proton | but instead they try to teach some weird combination of the two |
| 01:18.58 | captain_proton | which just doesn't work |
| 01:19.02 | darth_mall | and especially if the profs are supposed to be doing research\ |
| 01:19.10 | scanline | captain_proton: they don't even really do that |
| 01:19.11 | darth_mall | they should be keeping up to date just fine |
| 01:19.21 | darth_mall | =P |
| 01:19.25 | lurgyman | like we all wood |
| 01:19.26 | lurgyman | er |
| 01:19.26 | lurgyman | would |
| 01:20.18 | captain_proton | yay, only 1 missing macgyver |
| 01:20.28 | scanline | wow |
| 01:20.30 | lurgyman | it's been my observation that engineers tend to become relatively unproductive once they gain families and/or jobs :) |
| 01:21.02 | darth_mall | my dad didn't |
| 01:21.23 | lurgyman | i bet he didn't do nearly as much after he had kids than he did before he had kids |
| 01:21.26 | darth_mall | he does his work plus the work of 2 or 3 of his bosses |
| 01:21.27 | captain_proton | ok, time to leave to go eat |
| 01:21.32 | scanline | oh no! |
| 01:21.34 | darth_mall | lurgyman: he actually might do more |
| 01:21.36 | lurgyman | darth_mall: i mean outside of work :) |
| 01:21.49 | darth_mall | lurgyman: there isn't a time when he's outside of work |
| 01:21.59 | darth_mall | he brings his laptop on vacation to do work |
| 01:22.23 | darth_mall | the only time he isn't doing work for NREL is when he's doing work the the DC school board or paying bills |
| 01:22.38 | darth_mall | and I"m not exaggerating that |
| 01:22.43 | lurgyman | no time with the family? :( |
| 01:22.50 | darth_mall | not much |
| 01:22.53 | lurgyman | :( |
| 01:23.32 | lurgyman | i suppose that's a symptom of the American trend toward workaholism... |
| 01:23.45 | ChipX86 | oh my god.. |
| 01:23.46 | darth_mall | and my dad's inability to say 'no' |
| 01:24.00 | ChipX86 | the university I'm transferring to won't accept all my GE credits. They specify a limit, so I have to take these classes again |
| 01:24.43 | lurgyman | but once they have a family, *most* people just have less time that they can afford to spend doing engineering... stuff |
| 01:24.50 | lurgyman | assuming that you're going to spend time on your family |
| 01:25.03 | lurgyman | :/ |
| 01:25.06 | lurgyman | you'll be ok :) |
| 01:25.08 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: I feel your pain :( |
| 01:25.29 | darth_mall | lurgyman: I was lucky to get a C on these tests when I *knew* the stuff |
| 01:25.39 | darth_mall | now I don't even remember how |
| 01:26.21 | lurgyman | darth_mall: same here :) |
| 01:26.25 | lurgyman | well |
| 01:26.27 | lurgyman | before the failing bit |
| 01:26.52 | lurgyman | except i have no idea how i did on the final |
| 01:28.15 | ChipX86 | oh cool. My account no longer works at the school's site |
| 01:28.20 | darth_mall | I've been in school most of my life (as have most people here, I imagine) and I don't really have a lot of good things to say about it |
| 01:28.23 | lurgyman | ew |
| 01:28.28 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: same |
| 01:28.33 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: it's been one really bad experience |
| 01:28.48 | ChipX86 | save for math, I've taught myself everything I know |
| 01:29.05 | darth_mall | but I figure, as long as I stand a chance of graduating with a degree I want I may as well keep going |
| 01:29.23 | darth_mall | my worst experience in school came when I transferred here |
| 01:29.30 | lurgyman | :( |
| 01:29.39 | ChipX86 | 7th and 8th grade were the worst. A group of teachers who were friends spent their time telling me I was going to fail in life |
| 01:29.41 | scanline | darth_mall: I think I'm feeling about the same about keeping going at least |
| 01:29.41 | darth_mall | at least the Fort was easy enough that I didn't have to pay enough attention to how much it sucked |
| 01:30.20 | darth_mall | here I have to really work at wasting my time |
| 01:30.20 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 01:30.29 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 01:30.34 | lurgyman | after 7th and 8th grades |
| 01:30.44 | lurgyman | it's been significantly less horrible, imho |
| 01:31.01 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 01:31.22 | darth_mall | more good ones than bad, at least |
| 01:31.35 | darth_mall | but, most of them left CRMS after I finished there |
| 01:31.41 | darth_mall | they went on to other schools and whatnot |
| 01:31.45 | lurgyman | well, for me, more than the teachers... kids were just so downright nasty in middle school |
| 01:31.52 | darth_mall | in HS it was far more bad than good teachers |
| 01:31.57 | darth_mall | heh |
| 01:32.06 | darth_mall | in CR that wasn't a function of middle school |
| 01:32.07 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 01:32.10 | darth_mall | it was a function of being in CR |
| 01:32.22 | darth_mall | most of the kids all through school in DC were dicks |
| 01:32.31 | darth_mall | from when I started in 3rd grade til I graduated |
| 01:32.37 | lurgyman | yep |
| 01:33.00 | ChipX86 | most of the intelligent people I know got out of our highschool as soon as they could and went into college or home school. That place was horrible. Bad teachers.. the junior high was far worse though. |
| 01:33.07 | lurgyman | it was all downhill after 2nd grade til about 9th grade |
| 01:33.15 | darth_mall | I got lucky with my teachers in MS |
| 01:33.27 | darth_mall | most of 'em were so cool |
| 01:33.31 | darth_mall | and so smart |
| 01:33.31 | ChipX86 | lucky |
| 01:33.47 | lurgyman | despite the good teachers |
| 01:33.51 | ChipX86 | one teacher told me to my face on a number of occasions that I wasn't any good and would just fail |
| 01:34.02 | lurgyman | yuck |
| 01:34.11 | lurgyman | that's not... ew, yuck., |
| 01:34.12 | ChipX86 | at one point I was framed for hacking school systems by one teacher (he was the only person with root, and my account was used half an hour after I changed the password) |
| 01:34.26 | ChipX86 | that teacher and another said they would back me up in the meeting with the school district. Instead, they condemned me. |
| 01:34.28 | lurgyman | ew :( |
| 01:34.36 | ChipX86 | I have a very bad opinion of schools. |
| 01:34.49 | darth_mall | ooh lovely |
| 01:34.58 | darth_mall | the crib sheet pdf they have on the website doesn't work |
| 01:35.10 | darth_mall | so I have no idea what information I'm going to be given on this test |
| 01:35.14 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: :( |
| 01:35.19 | lurgyman | darth_mall: where? :( |
| 01:35.24 | darth_mall | this is doing wonders for my mood |
| 01:35.30 | darth_mall | http://amath.colorado.edu/courses/2350/2003fall/hw.html |
| 01:35.36 | darth_mall | second link from the top |
| 01:35.56 | lurgyman | wow |
| 01:36.32 | scanline | darth_mall: it breaks in gv but shows up in the adobe reader |
| 01:36.40 | darth_mall | scanline: kk |
| 01:36.45 | scanline | really ugly scanned copy :-/ |
| 01:36.51 | darth_mall | there we go |
| 01:36.53 | scanline | or something |
| 01:37.13 | scanline | wow, it even breaks in adobe if you zoom in much |
| 01:37.17 | lurgyman | darth_mall: navi:/tmp/FinalExamCrib.ps |
| 01:37.24 | darth_mall | lurgyman: thanks |
| 01:37.27 | darth_mall | got it in xpdf though |
| 01:37.32 | lurgyman | okeydokey |
| 01:37.55 | lurgyman | :) |
| 01:37.56 | darth_mall | erm... gv |
| 01:39.01 | darth_mall | I'd feel so much better |
| 01:41.56 | pagefault | this cheddar is simply amazing |
| 01:42.02 | pagefault | it's 6 yr old |
| 01:45.05 | ChipX86 | ohhh crap. My teacher forgot to give me the finals requirements for history |
| 01:46.00 | lurgyman | :( |
| 01:47.49 | ChipX86 | lucky for me, they're in the webct! Oh but wait, MY ACCOUNT WAS DISBALED |
| 01:55.33 | scanline | ooooooh |
| 01:55.53 | scanline | twisted has a spiffy way to upgrade programs without stopping them |
| 01:56.06 | scanline | so I don't have to bother with splitting the bot interface into a separate daemon |
| 01:56.42 | darth_mall | grrr |
| 01:56.50 | darth_mall | why won't my Z connect to the network here |
| 01:57.07 | scanline | could just be the dhcp server acting funny |
| 02:02.30 | darth_mall | no |
| 02:02.33 | darth_mall | I got it |
| 02:02.44 | darth_mall | for some reason it didn't like me entering the WEP key with the numlock on |
| 02:03.15 | scanline | hm |
| 02:03.26 | darth_mall | anyway, I should go fail this test |
| 02:03.28 | darth_mall | bbl |
| 02:03.39 | scanline | good luck :( |
| 02:03.46 | gonkulator | later darth_mall |
| 02:05.23 | lurgyman | good luck |
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| 02:14.36 | Fnordy | Hello all ^^ |
| 02:20.33 | *** join/#tacobeam Fnordy (~chatzilla@200.216.97.135) |
| 02:21.39 | Fnordy | gonkulator: ayt? |
| 02:25.15 | lurgyman | fnordy, you say |
| 02:25.39 | ChipX86 | there's nothing so bad that a parent's advice can't make worse |
| 02:25.39 | Fnordy | hello, lurgy ^^ |
| 02:25.53 | lurgyman | ooh |
| 02:25.57 | lurgyman | hiya Fnordy |
| 02:26.01 | lurgyman | very long time, no see :) |
| 02:26.09 | Fnordy | yeah... |
| 02:26.17 | lurgyman | how go things? |
| 02:26.21 | Fnordy | and... I'm looking for lalo |
| 02:26.25 | lurgyman | :) |
| 02:26.34 | lurgyman | he isn't seen very often around here anymore |
| 02:26.37 | Fnordy | lurgy: I'm in Rio de Janeiro :D |
| 02:26.43 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 02:27.44 | Fnordy | You should. Its HOT and the beaches are soooooooooooooo beautiful... |
| 02:27.50 | lurgyman | mmm |
| 02:27.53 | lurgyman | beaches... |
| 02:28.03 | Fnordy | ^^ |
| 02:38.31 | scanline | I'm here |
| 02:39.01 | scanline | lurgyman: I think variable-argument options were considered a Bad Thing in their philosophy of command line processing doc |
| 02:39.46 | Fnordy | scanline: hello... long time no see :) |
| 02:39.56 | scanline | Fnordy: hiya :) |
| 02:40.00 | lurgyman | hurray, it's scanline |
| 02:40.55 | scanline | lurgyman: ah |
| 02:40.58 | scanline | Fnordy: :) |
| 02:41.08 | scanline | Fnordy: how the heck are ya? |
| 02:41.24 | Fnordy | Rio de Janeiro... my hometown |
| 02:41.24 | lurgyman | ah, here it sez |
| 02:41.27 | lurgyman | "If you want an option that takes a variable number of arguments, there are several subtle, tricky issues to worry about. The exact implementation you choose will be based on which trade-offs you're willing to make for your application (which is why optparse doesn't support this sort of thing directly)." |
| 02:42.01 | scanline | Fnordy: is Vitoria there too? |
| 02:49.43 | lurgyman | ugh |
| 02:50.48 | Fnordy | scanline: yes, she's here |
| 03:11.59 | lurgyman | yay for really bad chess players in the interweb |
| 03:30.38 | lurgyman | mwa ha |
| 03:31.19 | lurgyman | of course |
| 03:31.28 | lurgyman | in the game of chess, you must never allow your opponent to see your pieces... |
| 03:31.38 | gonkulator | oh :( |
| 03:32.22 | captain_proton | yay i'm home |
| 03:33.26 | lurgyman | hurray! |
| 03:33.38 | captain_proton | eating dinner with el familio |
| 03:34.23 | lurgyman | sacriledge! |
| 03:34.32 | lurgyman | heritude! |
| 03:34.38 | lurgyman | sacresy! |
| 03:34.47 | captain_proton | yup |
| 03:36.21 | gonkulator | sacresty? |
| 03:36.44 | gonkulator | or wait... what is a sacresy :) |
| 03:36.45 | lurgyman | dern straight |
| 03:36.50 | lurgyman | it's like heresy |
| 03:36.52 | gonkulator | ok :) |
| 03:36.55 | lurgyman | or sacriledge |
| 03:36.57 | lurgyman | only |
| 03:37.00 | lurgyman | COMBINED!!! |
| 03:38.10 | gonkulator | lurgyman: where is this, and can I watch :) |
| 03:38.53 | lurgyman | gonkulator: sure... games.yahoo.com racoon retreat table 33 |
| 03:39.03 | lurgyman | though they aren't quite so bad this time as they were before |
| 03:39.14 | scanline | captain_proton: it'd be really cool to have this format commit messages to IRC and HTML using XSLT, but I haven't found a good XSLT-widget for python yet |
| 03:39.37 | gonkulator | lurgyman: racoon retreat is full :( |
| 03:39.42 | lurgyman | :( |
| 03:39.58 | lurgyman | gonkulator: care for a game at an alternate room once this one's over? |
| 03:40.16 | scanline | yay for being able to require really huge libraries like twisted and 4suite for CIA |
| 03:40.26 | gonkulator | lurgyman: no thanks, my chess skills aren't very good |
| 03:40.30 | lurgyman | :) ok |
| 03:40.46 | gonkulator | lurgyman: now, if you challenged me to a game of kersploochie |
| 03:40.52 | gonkulator | I think I could hold my own |
| 03:41.05 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:41.25 | lurgyman | captain_proton: ? |
| 03:41.30 | lurgyman | gonkulator: indeed you could |
| 03:41.36 | captain_proton | lurgyman: its syntax plugin dealies |
| 03:41.39 | lurgyman | gonkulator: i imagine you have years of experience ahead of me |
| 03:41.44 | lurgyman | captain_proton: heh, ah |
| 03:42.04 | lurgyman | hahaha |
| 03:42.06 | gonkulator | lurgyman: actually, I think you are more experienced than I at kersploochie |
| 03:42.10 | lurgyman | this person just screwed themselves over |
| 03:42.14 | lurgyman | gonkulator: hurray! |
| 03:42.22 | scanline | I think zope, twisted, and 4suite are all trying to become gigantic do-everything frameworks |
| 03:42.38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:43.31 | scanline | yikes, the 4suite docs put their examples inside scrolly-iframes |
| 03:44.10 | captain_proton | eek |
| 03:44.29 | scanline | http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/basic-xslt |
| 03:46.45 | lurgyman | eek |
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| 03:47.22 | scanline | oops |
| 03:47.47 | lurgyman | heh |
| 03:48.07 | lurgyman | scanline missed the conversation about quantum nerf guns |
| 03:48.50 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:49.10 | scanline | looks like there are a few string functions, but that it would be difficult if not impossible to split at word/line boundaries and insert a (...) or something |
| 03:49.33 | scanline | suppose I could go without XSLT for now and have the filters and formatters be in python |
| 03:49.50 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 03:51.25 | captain_proton | scanline: substring() ;) |
| 03:51.26 | scanline | at least twisted includes a subset of XPath :) |
| 03:51.31 | captain_proton | http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath#function-string |
| 03:51.48 | scanline | captain_proton: saw that, but how would I split at a whitespace boundary? |
| 03:52.32 | scanline | guess you could have lots of fun with variables, loops, and substring()... |
| 03:53.20 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah, or you could just truncate absolutely and use an elipsis |
| 03:53.46 | scanline | captain_proton: but.. that's silly |
| 03:54.02 | scanline | captain_proton: and what about wrapping lines to a consistent length? |
| 03:54.10 | scanline | CIA doesn't do that now, but it should |
| 03:55.04 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:55.40 | lurgyman | regex inversion! |
| 03:55.42 | captain_proton | need a string reverse() function =) |
| 03:55.54 | scanline | ha |
| 03:56.13 | captain_proton | combine that with substring-after and you've got all you need =) |
| 03:56.28 | scanline | hmm... will probably use xpath for filters, since they will always run server-side, but there's no reason for formatters to be arbitrary code in any language |
| 03:56.43 | scanline | er, no reason not to be arbitrary code |
| 03:56.46 | gonkulator | night all |
| 03:56.51 | lurgyman | night gonkulator |
| 03:57.12 | gonkulator | night lurgyman |
| 03:57.14 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:58.07 | captain_proton | ooh, gtk syntax highlighting :) |
| 03:58.47 | scanline | I think I'm also going to have most of this run in one process just so CIA doesn't need an overly complex procedure to start up, but that it will include a way to attach to the message hub and logs remotely (for the stats page, CIA-over-VFD, etc :) |
| 04:00.05 | scanline | mmm, having a richer way to describe projects should be nice for conglomerations like gnome, kde, and navi-misc |
| 04:01.33 | lurgyman | :) |
| 04:02.01 | captain_proton | whee, gtk-syntax is neat |
| 04:02.28 | scanline | wow, this guy in #ogre3d is... interesting |
| 04:02.31 | scanline | <CoMm4nDeR> another question, if i dun have hard experience in heavy languages (c,java,...) some books over the moniot to read.. i looking for another EASY path... for this time |
| 04:02.31 | scanline | <CoMm4nDeR> example dark basic, one 'thing' need low knowledge |
| 04:02.59 | scanline | what is it? |
| 04:03.11 | captain_proton | its a basic implementation designed for writing games |
| 04:03.14 | scanline | hah |
| 04:03.35 | scanline | mm.. this is a good song I don't listen to enough |
| 04:04.41 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 04:04.58 | lurgyman | this looks like my best bet is going to be another draw-them-into-a-draw deal... |
| 04:05.37 | scanline | hrm |
| 04:05.47 | scanline | twisted seems to have two completely separate XML DOM-like-thingies |
| 04:06.08 | scanline | 'microdom' and 'domish', and it looks like only domish works with their partial xpath implementation |
| 04:06.26 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:07.29 | captain_proton | makes you wonder why they don't just use minidom or something |
| 04:07.33 | scanline | yeah |
| 04:07.44 | lurgyman | yay |
| 04:08.23 | captain_proton | so yes |
| 04:08.26 | captain_proton | when darth_mall returns |
| 04:08.27 | scanline | har, and they have a doodad that's an awful lot like SAX, called 'sux' |
| 04:08.29 | captain_proton | we shall finish ntht |
| 04:08.41 | captain_proton | and then maybe do RoD, just for emotional repair |
| 04:08.54 | scanline | RoD? |
| 04:08.54 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:08.57 | captain_proton | read or die |
| 04:09.00 | scanline | ah |
| 04:09.13 | captain_proton | or that |
| 04:11.23 | lurgyman | RoD = Rugs of Dreadlocks? |
| 04:11.31 | captain_proton | ew |
| 04:11.51 | captain_proton | yay coffee |
| 04:12.10 | scanline | bah.. domish is awfully silly it seems, but I guess it's still better than the gigantic hack I did to get XPath in PGBuild |
| 04:12.25 | captain_proton | you could just use xml.dom |
| 04:12.33 | captain_proton | even though its amazingly unbelievably huge |
| 04:12.39 | captain_proton | :) |
| 04:12.41 | scanline | IIRC all the XPath stuff is only implemented by 4Suite |
| 04:13.32 | captain_proton | ah |
| 04:13.44 | captain_proton | i guess i was under the mistaken impression that the dom had it but not the minidom |
| 04:14.04 | scanline | well, xml.* is this big giant fake package redirector widget that changes depending on what you have installed |
| 04:14.14 | scanline | by default it only has minidom and other small pure-python things |
| 04:14.51 | captain_proton | ah |
| 04:15.25 | scanline | ah, yeah.. the __init__.py in 'xml' tries to import _xmlplus, and if it succeeds it munges sys.modules so that 'xml' actually points to that |
| 04:15.36 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:15.42 | scanline | really gross |
| 04:16.16 | scanline | for a long time gentoo included a broken version of _xmlplus that made minidom completely useless |
| 04:17.18 | captain_proton | yay for haibane music |
| 04:20.30 | lurgyman | yay for shosty 14 |
| 04:21.22 | scanline | whee |
| 04:21.25 | scanline | twirly |
| 04:26.49 | hardwire | scanline: hey.. are you using a linux router at home? |
| 04:26.55 | scanline | hardwire: navi |
| 04:27.00 | hardwire | yeh |
| 04:27.12 | captain_proton | and navi-proxy, sortof :) |
| 04:27.16 | hardwire | wanna install openh323gw on it real quick.. and try giving me a ring? |
| 04:27.19 | lurgyman | whee, it's like suicide, only longer |
| 04:27.23 | scanline | hardwire: http://navi.picogui.org/~jupiter/network.png |
| 04:27.35 | scanline | hardwire: not really :) |
| 04:27.42 | hardwire | bastard |
| 04:28.07 | scanline | given how much I like phones in general, I don't really jump at the opportunity to install one on navi |
| 04:28.10 | captain_proton | hardwire: i'd be happy to h323 ya when i'm at work sometime |
| 04:28.18 | hardwire | why at work? |
| 04:28.27 | captain_proton | well, its easy |
| 04:28.37 | captain_proton | we've got big rackmount polycoms |
| 04:28.40 | hardwire | thats not the point ;) |
| 04:28.45 | captain_proton | pfft |
| 04:28.45 | lurgyman | haaaahahahahaaa |
| 04:28.53 | lurgyman | against someone far, far better than i |
| 04:28.53 | hardwire | wait |
| 04:28.57 | hardwire | you are bonding DSL? |
| 04:29.03 | captain_proton | sort of |
| 04:29.08 | captain_proton | multilink ppp over tcp |
| 04:29.34 | hardwire | captain_proton: oh my god |
| 04:29.39 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:29.43 | hardwire | would you like to learn more about bonding? |
| 04:29.56 | hardwire | unless you really like having a ppp overhead x 3 |
| 04:30.29 | captain_proton | hardwire: its difficult to do much else with what we have, considering we don't have direct control over the line endpoints |
| 04:30.57 | hardwire | err |
| 04:31.05 | hardwire | you don't have control over navi-proxy? |
| 04:31.07 | hardwire | and navi? |
| 04:31.18 | captain_proton | yes, we do |
| 04:31.23 | captain_proton | but there are other gateways in between |
| 04:31.30 | hardwire | then you can use etherchannel |
| 04:32.25 | captain_proton | ooh, google is finally advertising froogle |
| 04:32.59 | captain_proton | hardwire: i'm not finding any useful info |
| 04:36.27 | hardwire | over low overhead 802.3 tunnels |
| 04:36.37 | hardwire | captain_proton: from me.. or in general? |
| 04:36.43 | captain_proton | in general |
| 04:36.43 | hardwire | you could use vtun in compressed or non compressed, encrpyted or not mode (neither for lower overhead) to create ethernet tun devices on both navi |
| 04:36.48 | hardwire | over both networks |
| 04:36.50 | hardwire | and then use bonding (in the linux kernel ona bond0 device |
| 04:36.54 | hardwire | hah |
| 04:36.56 | hardwire | well you don't need any downtime for this setup |
| 04:36.58 | hardwire | you can set it up in parallel then kill the ppp link once its set up |
| 04:37.02 | hardwire | since both bond devices have their own backbone ip's you can continue administrating both ends until the routing is corrected |
| 04:37.08 | captain_proton | how is that with fault tolerance? |
| 04:37.12 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 04:37.12 | hardwire | I need file to be online |
| 04:37.19 | captain_proton | these dsl modems are pieces of shit, and occasionally go boom |
| 04:37.20 | hardwire | captain_proton: etherchannel bonding |
| 04:37.29 | hardwire | haha |
| 04:37.29 | hardwire | amazing |
| 04:37.29 | hardwire | thats how |
| 04:37.40 | hardwire | you can round robin the traffic if you want |
| 04:38.00 | hardwire | and if one line goes down it uses pseudo mii diagnostics on both sides to know if things are up/down |
| 04:38.35 | hardwire | you can also chose different algos for load sharing.. however with 2 points it doesn't matter much |
| 04:38.50 | hardwire | with three lines you can have network redundancy with parity.. |
| 04:38.56 | hardwire | which is just fucked up |
| 04:39.00 | hardwire | or triple the thruput |
| 04:39.16 | hardwire | have you done any correlation studies with your link |
| 04:39.28 | hardwire | like run smokeping on navi acrossed just dsl0 and dsl1 and also ppp0 |
| 04:39.54 | hardwire | one damaged or higher latency line can screw up everything |
| 04:40.15 | hardwire | you could only be getting a 10-20% much higher latency thruput |
| 04:40.26 | hardwire | ou bastards |
| 04:40.28 | hardwire | err |
| 04:40.28 | hardwire | you |
| 04:40.29 | hardwire | hehe |
| 04:40.33 | hardwire | I wish I could do this ;) |
| 04:40.39 | lurgyman | heh |
| 04:40.44 | hardwire | I wonder if you can zone basements for this |
| 04:41.03 | hardwire | I would love to pay for two cable/dsl lines.. as I am soon putting up a server on a high bandwidth line |
| 04:41.16 | scanline | mwahaha.. triumph over domish |
| 04:41.25 | hardwire | I will most likely use vtun in compressed mode to proxy squid requests to it.. |
| 04:41.30 | hardwire | no onding over here ;( |
| 04:41.35 | captain_proton | ppp0 has about 5% higher latency than either line alone |
| 04:41.43 | hardwire | well thats not bad |
| 04:41.57 | captain_proton | nope |
| 04:42.14 | captain_proton | aggregate bandwidth could be better on the downstream, as could fault tolerance |
| 04:42.26 | captain_proton | ppp multilink support is still pretty young |
| 04:42.28 | hardwire | just be cool to know what the latency differences are like inbetween both lines |
| 04:42.37 | hardwire | smokeping is a nice program for rrdtooling some graphs out of fping |
| 04:42.37 | hardwire | but yeah |
| 04:42.38 | hardwire | you showed interest in me |
| 04:42.38 | hardwire | and now I won't shut up |
| 04:42.39 | hardwire | been in a hotel for .. 18 hours straight |
| 04:42.43 | hardwire | going.. mad.. |
| 04:42.53 | hardwire | I should research asterisk real quick |
| 04:43.02 | captain_proton | they're almost exactly the same - qwest just reallocated all the atm ids so they're adjacent, and we're about 2 blocks away from the CO |
| 04:44.47 | scanline | wahoo, it's like xpath.. being used to look up parts of a commit message |
| 04:44.47 | hardwire | hah |
| 04:45.03 | lurgyman | mm, liquid refreshment |
| 04:45.57 | captain_proton | hardwire: is there a reference somewhere on the tools for setting up channel bonding? |
| 04:46.11 | captain_proton | i'm only turning up stuff for ciscos and openmosix :) |
| 04:47.55 | scanline | ooh, even though it's a pain to get data into domish, its syntax is rather cute after that |
| 04:49.12 | captain_proton | err, 160 |
| 04:49.16 | captain_proton | err, wrong window |
| 04:51.49 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.49 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.12 | scanline | sooo much cooler than a regular DOM |
| 04:52.41 | scanline | it overrides __getattr__ to look up child elements by name, and has a dict-like object for accessing attributes |
| 04:53.59 | scanline | and then you have fun stuff like: |
| 04:54.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.01 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.07 | captain_proton | :) |
| 04:57.39 | captain_proton | hmm, so it appears darth_mall is back, but he's shut himself away |
| 04:58.35 | scanline | =( |
| 04:58.45 | lurgyman | :( |
| 04:58.50 | lurgyman | darth_mall: that bad? :/ |
| 05:00.01 | scanline | captain_proton: wazzat apache-thingy you mentioned? |
| 05:00.02 | darth_mall | lurgyman: no worse than I expected |
| 05:00.11 | darth_mall | I'm just not in a very good mood |
| 05:00.13 | captain_proton | emerge -f xerces-c |
| 05:00.24 | captain_proton | then lookup the build directions (you need to set an env var) |
| 05:00.29 | scanline | k |
| 05:00.42 | captain_proton | and build samples/SAX2Count |
| 05:01.06 | captain_proton | then you verify using sax2count -v=auto file.xml |
| 05:01.17 | scanline | okeydokey |
| 05:01.27 | lurgyman | darth_mall: ok :/ |
| 05:01.47 | captain_proton | scanline: you'll need to set the schema location in the file - take a look at some of my other xml files for that |
| 05:02.30 | darth_mall | lurgyman: this coffee is calming me a little, so maybe in a bit I'll be more social |
| 05:02.49 | hardwire | captain_proton: yeah.. I prefer vtun over ppp bonding |
| 05:02.49 | hardwire | esp if you feel like using compression/encryption at all |
| 05:02.50 | hardwire | I like having top lzo/zlib/whatever on in udp mode over to the other station |
| 05:02.50 | hardwire | quite zippy |
| 05:02.51 | hardwire | no compression over udp is the best solution for fault tolerance and low overhead |
| 05:03.08 | lurgyman | :) |
| 05:04.47 | captain_proton | bah, the rec center is only open until 9 over break |
| 05:07.31 | lurgyman | sacresy |
| 05:09.21 | ChipX86 | scanline: jasta likes to argue and be right |
| 05:09.30 | scanline | heh |
| 05:09.35 | scanline | looks like it |
| 05:15.07 | ChipX86 | gtk cvs is missing a couple functions |
| 05:15.12 | ChipX86 | which breaks gnome-panel |
| 05:15.12 | captain_proton | ChipX86: emerge gtk-syntax :-O |
| 05:15.24 | ChipX86 | gtk-syntax? |
| 05:15.39 | captain_proton | really lovely set of syntax files for vim :) |
| 05:15.45 | ChipX86 | ah, yeah. I have that |
| 05:15.55 | ChipX86 | the problem is that stuff got renamed in gtk cvs recently, and gnome-panel uses the new names |
| 05:16.04 | ChipX86 | but apparently, those functions don't exactly exist in the code |
| 05:26.22 | captain_proton | hrm, so news/file-releases/etc seem to be available in RSS |
| 05:26.28 | captain_proton | but not trackers (?) |
| 05:26.54 | scanline | hrm, twisted's xpath implementation is really limited |
| 05:27.08 | scanline | not surprising of course |
| 05:27.23 | scanline | hmm... |
| 05:27.43 | scanline | might as well define these filters in xml to make it easy to compose multiple xpath functions :) |
| 05:30.02 | captain_proton | yay for xpath being sort of functional |
| 05:30.12 | scanline | <filter op="and"> |
| 05:30.12 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.12 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.12 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.13 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.13 | ChipX86 | coding an xpath parser sucks.. |
| 05:30.15 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.17 | scanline | </filter> |
| 05:30.19 | scanline | maybe something like that |
| 05:30.21 | ChipX86 | and xslt even more so |
| 05:30.24 | lurgyman | eep |
| 05:30.31 | lurgyman | captain_proton: is the Small Time Crooks dvd still down there? |
| 05:30.39 | captain_proton | lurgyman: its on our coffee table |
| 05:31.06 | captain_proton | lurgyman: you're the one on the line for returning it ;) |
| 05:31.06 | ChipX86 | wtf, nic.cx unregistered my domain |
| 05:31.15 | ChipX86 | I had 6 years left on it |
| 05:31.27 | lurgyman | captain_proton: obviously |
| 05:32.27 | ChipX86 | oh, and it helps if I type the domain correctly |
| 05:32.31 | lurgyman | if you or darth_mall are keen on driving in that direction (to, say, rent some movie with that ends in "Weapon"), then i'd happily go with you to do so, otherwise i'm off pretty shortly |
| 05:32.38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:32.51 | captain_proton | howabout this |
| 05:33.09 | captain_proton | you go, and rent that movie while you're there (for which i'll pay), and i'll return it tomorrow |
| 05:33.32 | lurgyman | captain_proton: if i walk, i doubt i'll get there in time to actively rent anything |
| 05:33.39 | captain_proton | when do they close? |
| 05:33.47 | lurgyman | 11, iirc |
| 05:33.53 | captain_proton | pfft, plenty of time |
| 05:33.54 | captain_proton | they' |
| 05:33.59 | captain_proton | re only about a 5min walk away |
| 05:34.06 | lurgyman | bah |
| 05:34.07 | lurgyman | 10min! |
| 05:34.09 | lurgyman | : |
| 05:34.10 | lurgyman | :p |
| 05:34.14 | captain_proton | still plenty of time ;) |
| 05:34.35 | captain_proton | "the perfect weapon" with jeff speakman =} |
| 05:35.14 | lurgyman | pff |
| 05:35.41 | captain_proton | need me to write it down? |
| 05:35.45 | lurgyman | no |
| 05:39.50 | lurgyman | darth_mall: want me to take pirates back so long as i'm out? |
| 05:40.46 | darth_mall | lurgyman: I'll give you a lift |
| 05:40.49 | darth_mall | c'mon down |
| 05:40.50 | lurgyman | ah |
| 05:40.53 | darth_mall | quick like |
| 05:40.53 | lurgyman | that's cool too |
| 05:46.46 | scanline | captain_proton: can schemas handle formats where you don't know in advance what type of element will be at a document's root? |
| 05:47.32 | captain_proton | scanline: sure, mine does |
| 05:47.48 | scanline | neat |
| 05:47.50 | captain_proton | mine verifies for anything that has <technique>, <form>, <concept>, or <set> as the root |
| 05:48.54 | ChipX86 | didn't gnome used to pop up a dialog when you inserted a CD? |
| 05:49.40 | ChipX86 | or have any integration to play CDs from the icons? |
| 05:51.07 | merlin{landing} | why oh why oh why? |
| 05:51.12 | ChipX86 | merlin{landing}: ? |
| 05:51.41 | merlin{landing} | ChipX86: for some reason, I have an inate dislike of glib |
| 05:51.48 | merlin{landing} | there is no good technical reason |
| 05:51.48 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 05:51.54 | ChipX86 | better than qt :) |
| 05:52.11 | merlin{landing} | hehe |
| 05:52.32 | merlin{landing} | maybe it's because, glib isn't doing things the 'C' way |
| 05:52.41 | merlin{landing} | it's doing them the 'glib' way |
| 05:52.44 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 05:54.13 | merlin{landing} | so, this libcomprex handles archives as well |
| 05:54.21 | ChipX86 | that's the purpose of it |
| 05:54.29 | ChipX86 | but it handles them as directories |
| 05:54.42 | merlin{landing} | I thought it was just a fancy wrapper around gzopen et all |
| 05:54.43 | ChipX86 | so you can open foo.tar.gz/blah/README.txt.bz2 |
| 05:55.09 | ChipX86 | the algorithm is more than slightly broken in cvs HEAD |
| 05:55.14 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:55.16 | ChipX86 | it should work in the tarball |
| 05:55.17 | captain_proton | yay for evil CIA ideas |
| 05:55.25 | captain_proton | it'll be like one giant project-metainfo hub |
| 05:55.29 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 05:55.32 | scanline | >:) |
| 05:55.46 | ChipX86 | will we rule the world with it? |
| 05:55.58 | merlin{landing} | Amarach Linux shall rule the linux world! |
| 05:56.07 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 05:56.37 | ChipX86 | merlin{landing}: if you want to help develop any archive modules, let me know ;) |
| 05:56.52 | ChipX86 | GNUpdate has 2 developers besides me |
| 05:56.55 | scanline | ChipX86: can it handle .tar.rar.gz.zip.iso files yet? |
| 05:56.57 | ChipX86 | one is never around, and the other hates me I think |
| 05:57.08 | ChipX86 | scanline: not rar or iso |
| 05:57.12 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:58.51 | darth_mall | scanline captain_proton: want to see a recording of TMBG doing Fingertips live? |
| 05:59.17 | scanline | that sounds fun |
| 06:05.43 | scanline | ooh |
| 06:05.57 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 06:06.00 | scanline | I don't even have to use lambdas, I can use nested functions with... you guessed it.. lexical scoping! |
| 06:06.08 | darth_mall | irssi'ing from a z |
| 06:06.18 | captain_proton | howabout we do fingertips and then ntht? :) |
| 06:06.23 | scanline | sounds good |
| 06:06.56 | scanline | oooooh |
| 06:07.05 | scanline | and I can preparse the XPath and such in the outer function |
| 06:07.52 | darth_mall | poke poke scanline and captain_proton |
| 06:08.00 | scanline | okey |
| 06:34.53 | *** join/#tacobeam evan_ (~evan@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 06:35.12 | evan_ | well, that was fun |
| 06:37.05 | purple_cow | yay |
| 06:37.09 | purple_cow | working Z |
| 06:37.39 | purple_cow | kergoth: it appears that while OZ 3.3.5 fixes the right shift key on the c700/ it breaks the left :) |
| 06:41.06 | purple_cow | i do like the increased speedyness though |
| 06:41.24 | purple_cow | and properly working arrow keys |
| 06:44.19 | darth_mall | yay irssi on from the Z |
| 06:44.42 | lurgyman | oh no! |
| 06:44.58 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: how was it? |
| 06:45.00 | darth_mall | so he can gove scanline's back |
| 06:45.11 | darth_mall | ChipX86: as bad as expected |
| 06:45.19 | darth_mall | but I'm over it now |
| 06:45.33 | ChipX86 | that's good at least :/ |
| 06:45.36 | darth_mall | did you have one this evening? |
| 06:45.40 | ChipX86 | no |
| 06:45.42 | ChipX86 | monday |
| 06:45.47 | darth_mall | =/ |
| 06:45.51 | darth_mall | me too |
| 06:45.52 | ChipX86 | and tuesday, and wednesday |
| 06:45.56 | darth_mall | my last though |
| 06:46.07 | darth_mall | fri. sat. and mon. for me |
| 06:46.11 | ChipX86 | I basically decided that rather then get stressed out, I'll study when I feel like it, and just not worry about it.. I know that after finals, I won't even care |
| 06:46.21 | ChipX86 | in fact, I can only remember two finals I've ever taken |
| 06:46.44 | lurgyman | :) |
| 06:47.52 | darth_mall | ChipX86: yeah, I don't usually get this stressed |
| 06:48.11 | darth_mall | but it's been an unfun sem. |
| 06:48.15 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 06:50.05 | lurgyman | wow |
| 06:50.10 | lurgyman | nautilus never ceases to scare me |
| 06:50.39 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 06:50.52 | darth_mall | lurgyman never ceases to tickle me |
| 06:50.58 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 06:51.29 | lurgyman | \/navi/media/images/screenshots/Screenshot-Nautilus.png |
| 06:51.31 | lurgyman | er |
| 06:51.32 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 06:51.37 | lurgyman | you get the idear :) |
| 06:53.14 | darth_mall | no, I don't. you should explain it to me |
| 06:54.49 | darth_mall | mmmmm... glue |
| 06:58.26 | lurgyman | it just seems... creepy ;) |
| 06:59.59 | darth_mall | creepy like scanline ? |
| 07:01.54 | darth_mall | oh no! |
| 07:04.52 | purple_cow | ~whalelsap kergoth |
| 07:08.26 | ChipX86 | yay, storms! |
| 07:08.37 | darth_mall | yay! |
| 07:09.00 | lurgyman | storms, you say |
| 07:09.09 | ChipX86 | yep! |
| 07:09.10 | ChipX86 | storms |
| 07:09.15 | lurgyman | huzzah |
| 07:09.18 | darth_mall | is there a way to change the text indentation of text in irssi? |
| 07:09.27 | lurgyman | quite possibly |
| 07:10.27 | darth_mall | ChipX86: gaim still not works on sharp's rom, right? |
| 07:10.33 | ChipX86 | right |
| 07:10.36 | darth_mall | kk |
| 07:10.40 | ChipX86 | I don't have a solution yet. Haven't had time :/ |
| 07:14.59 | darth_mall | ChipX86: that's ok |
| 07:15.05 | darth_mall | I was just wondering |
| 07:15.32 | darth_mall | cuz I was searchin' for an aim client and gaim up at the top |
| 07:15.40 | darth_mall | so I thought I'd ask |
| 07:15.43 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 07:17.31 | purple_cow | gaim: relocation error: gaim: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 07:18.19 | darth_mall | good thing scanline isn't nuts like Hamdo |
| 07:18.30 | darth_mall | hmmm... low batt |
| 07:19.12 | purple_cow | yup |
| 07:20.38 | ChipX86 | the storm is angry. It wants blood. |
| 07:21.09 | purple_cow | mmmm |
| 07:25.32 | darth_mall | lurgyman: you like Weezer? |
| 07:25.43 | lurgyman | darth_mall: i dunno, it's been a while :) |
| 07:25.52 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 07:26.12 | darth_mall | Weezer is one of my brother's and my favorites |
| 07:26.13 | lurgyman | whoa there big daddy singer, somebody needs to get you a tuner |
| 07:26.20 | lurgyman | on them high notes |
| 07:27.01 | lurgyman | but yay for quality instrumentals |
| 07:27.01 | darth_mall | which album? |
| 07:27.46 | lurgyman | dunno which album, but that song was "Hash Pipe" |
| 07:27.51 | darth_mall | green |
| 07:27.58 | lurgyman | ok :) |
| 07:28.02 | darth_mall | you should hear Pinkerton |
| 07:28.10 | darth_mall | best one they ever did |
| 07:30.14 | lurgyman | yep |
| 07:30.15 | lurgyman | again |
| 07:30.19 | lurgyman | wonderful instrumentals |
| 07:30.24 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 07:30.38 | darth_mall | great lyrics |
| 07:30.43 | lurgyman | yep |
| 07:31.01 | darth_mall | "everyone's a little queer, why can't she be a little straight" |
| 07:31.03 | lurgyman | but the singing is still somewhat intonationally... unconventional... |
| 07:31.14 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 07:31.26 | lurgyman | not as bad as, say, Bob Dillon |
| 07:31.30 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 07:31.34 | darth_mall | actually |
| 07:31.37 | lurgyman | but still pretty far out there |
| 07:31.45 | darth_mall | on Freewheelin' he was pretty on key |
| 07:31.56 | lurgyman | ooh |
| 07:32.16 | lurgyman | hmm, don't got it on navi :/ |
| 07:32.34 | darth_mall | which? |
| 07:32.41 | lurgyman | freewheelin |
| 07:32.48 | darth_mall | oh, it's an album |
| 07:32.50 | lurgyman | though if that's an album, maybe we just have songs from it |
| 07:32.52 | lurgyman | ah |
| 07:32.57 | lurgyman | quick, name a song from it :) |
| 07:33.05 | darth_mall | oxford town |
| 07:33.17 | lurgyman | another! |
| 07:33.42 | darth_mall | I'm pretty sure we don't have that album |
| 07:33.48 | lurgyman | ah, ok |
| 07:33.50 | lurgyman | well |
| 07:33.51 | darth_mall | I'll get it from home |
| 07:33.55 | lurgyman | there are a lot of random singles |
| 07:33.58 | darth_mall | tuedsay |
| 07:34.56 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:37.20 | lurgyman | gah, please Mr. Weezer... at least keep the pitch constant 'til the end of the note... |
| 07:37.27 | darth_mall | great show |
| 07:37.28 | purple_cow | yay for the saddest happy ending ever |
| 07:38.03 | lurgyman | please oh please |
| 07:38.08 | lurgyman | ah thank you |
| 07:38.12 | lurgyman | whoop |
| 07:39.32 | lurgyman | hm |
| 07:39.44 | lurgyman | :( |
| 07:40.03 | scanline | lurgyman: you should come down for Gigantic |
| 07:40.06 | lurgyman | Weezer would be sooooo cool if they could get different singers :) |
| 07:40.10 | scanline | I guess after captain_proton showers |
| 07:40.14 | lurgyman | scanline: but.. but.. i wuz gonna sleep... |
| 07:40.20 | captain_proton | scanline: you guys can start it |
| 07:41.42 | scanline | hrm |
| 07:41.47 | scanline | lurgyman: no you weren't |
| 07:41.55 | lurgyman | i wasn't? |
| 07:42.09 | scanline | oh well, I guess we'll start without both of you! |
| 07:42.54 | darth_mall | 0~this movie is a cream dream |
| 07:42.59 | lurgyman | :) i'll see it eventually, i promise i will |
| 07:43.27 | darth_mall | greatest band of all time! |
| 07:44.51 | darth_mall | must make coffee |
| 07:46.07 | lurgyman | (oh, and he's already telling us he thinks his story is right up there with Hamlet) |
| 07:49.31 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 07:54.10 | darth_mall | man I love these guys |
| 08:01.31 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 08:03.56 | scanline | captain_proton: I should have a few more still |
| 08:04.33 | zak | captain_proton: i have several |
| 08:04.39 | zak | i got a $10 worth |
| 08:09.07 | darth_mall | guh |
| 08:09.09 | darth_mall | no fairs |
| 08:09.19 | darth_mall | I wants to be one of the Johns |
| 08:22.57 | purple_cow | doodeedoo |
| 08:49.52 | darth_mall | James K Polk! |
| 09:25.00 | scanline | ok, so the doc string isn't quite 3x the length of the class it documents |
| 09:25.14 | scanline | but it's a 100 line doc string for about 125 lines of code |
| 09:25.24 | ChipX86 | g'night everyone |
| 09:26.20 | purple_cow | 'night ChipX86|Sleep |
| 09:37.22 | captain_proton | yay, laundry |
| 09:41.03 | scanline | yay |
| 09:41.26 | scanline | ooh, it would be cool if this overloaded operators so you could combine filter functions after they're parsed too |
| 09:43.53 | captain_proton | scanline, darth_mall: RoD after i finish folding? :) |
| 09:46.46 | scanline | captain_proton: works for me |
| 09:47.02 | scanline | mwahaha... this Filter thingy is such an evil class now |
| 09:47.20 | scanline | has all my favorite tricks... abusing getattr(), __call__, and of course lexical scoping |
| 09:49.57 | scanline | and soon.. operator overloading! |
| 10:02.38 | purple_cow | but...RoD! |
| 10:24.44 | purple_cow | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:24.47 | purple_cow | i love this show |
| 10:34.11 | darth_mall | scanline should be tickled |
| 10:34.21 | purple_cow | i agree |
| 10:52.35 | purple_cow | scanline needs a codename too |
| 11:01.48 | darth_mall | oh, I'd forgotten I was watching Ninja Scroll earlier |
| 11:06.02 | captain_proton | scanline: care to give me some info as to the states of the various elements in the sample message? |
| 11:06.06 | captain_proton | (required? ordered?) |
| 11:06.34 | scanline | nothing's ordered, nothing's required I think :) |
| 11:08.32 | captain_proton | i'm guessing within a commit that "log" is required, maybe? |
| 11:09.03 | scanline | maybe... technically commits with no log are legal though, and it would still be useful to have information on the files modified |
| 11:09.25 | scanline | hmm, it should also have a user tag |
| 11:09.36 | captain_proton | mmmk |
| 11:10.21 | captain_proton | can i assume that revision is an integer? |
| 11:10.43 | scanline | that would work for subversion, but I'm not sure about bitkeeper or arch |
| 11:11.39 | captain_proton | mmk, string it is |
| 11:12.40 | scanline | hrmph, twisted's xmlrpc server doesn't handle exceptions nicely like the one in xmlrpclib does |
| 11:15.52 | scanline | works much better if I catch exceptions myself and stuff them into an xmlrpc.Fault |
| 11:16.12 | captain_proton | http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/magazine/14POWER.html?ex=1071982800&en=799ad449b398c2d7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE |
| 11:16.47 | scanline | haha |
| 11:17.32 | captain_proton | it actually makes a very valid point :) |
| 11:19.31 | scanline | captain_proton: :P |
| 11:20.14 | captain_proton | heh |
| 11:22.58 | scanline | wow, there are some really nasty hacks in the old CIA code that I forgot about |
| 11:23.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.27 | captain_proton | ew |
| 11:26.12 | captain_proton | scanline: in your example_filter, you use <search> but in the code you use <find> - are they really separate? |
| 11:26.32 | scanline | captain_proton: no, it should be <find>.. I wrote the example_filter before the code and hadn't updated it |
| 11:26.47 | scanline | captain_proton: the doc string for Filter lists everything it actually supports |
| 11:33.05 | scanline | neat |
| 11:34.15 | scanline | captain_proton: the filter-container type is actually unnecessary... the <not> tag can have multiple children, in which case it acts like a NOR |
| 11:34.42 | scanline | I figured it would be intuitive to be able to list multiple items in a <not> such that if any of them are true the <not> becomes false |
| 11:34.59 | captain_proton | ah |
| 11:35.29 | scanline | these schemas do look a lot nicer than DTDs :) |
| 11:36.07 | captain_proton | they also allow something very important to me |
| 11:36.09 | captain_proton | scoping |
| 11:38.27 | captain_proton | scanline: luckily, i don't think any of the #commits viewers know of your new codename :) |
| 11:38.35 | scanline | heh |
| 11:43.17 | scanline | hmm, I think I might just do all the email processing server-side to decrease load time on the email delivery script and make logging easier |
| 11:48.52 | captain_proton | wow, i just realized that this song uses a medieval-era chord progression |
| 11:58.18 | captain_proton | arg |
| 11:58.21 | captain_proton | damn permissions script |
| 11:58.27 | scanline | heh |
| 11:58.34 | scanline | yikes, it is that time isn't it... |
| 12:10.12 | scanline | g'night |
| 12:39.21 | *** join/#tacobeam sbahra (~sbahra@dial36-166.sbm.net.sa) |
| 15:04.06 | ChipX86|Sleep | they got saddam |
| 16:44.51 | lurgyman | wow |
| 16:46.30 | gonkulator | but boy am I glad they did |
| 16:47.50 | lurgyman | well, i guess it's a good thing |
| 16:48.07 | lurgyman | doesn't really matter all *that* much unless it helps put down the iraqi resistance |
| 16:48.18 | gonkulator | lurgyman: thats exactly why its a good thing |
| 16:48.27 | lurgyman | we can hope :) |
| 16:49.27 | gonkulator | the president is gonna talk in just under a half and hour |
| 16:50.03 | gonkulator | lurgyman: are you gonna watch the president? |
| 16:50.19 | lurgyman | well, i bet, but i don't think i'll listen... hardly anything new he can say, and since we're starting to get close to the election, it's likely to be some patting himself on the back, like any president would do |
| 16:50.30 | lurgyman | s/well, i bet// |
| 16:50.46 | gonkulator | heh |
| 16:51.01 | gonkulator | there might be new information |
| 16:51.21 | gonkulator | and it *is* entertaining to watch him if you're in the right frame of mind |
| 16:51.24 | lurgyman | "Greetings, American people. Saddam... is *still* in captivity..." |
| 16:51.54 | gonkulator | lol |
| 16:53.13 | gonkulator | mostly, he won't be funding anymore terrorism |
| 16:53.17 | gonkulator | thats the key |
| 16:53.39 | gonkulator | its funny |
| 16:53.49 | lurgyman | heh |
| 16:53.50 | lurgyman | well |
| 16:53.56 | gonkulator | Fox News is playing the same three minutes of footage of Iraquis dancing in the streets |
| 16:54.02 | gonkulator | over and over and over again |
| 16:54.19 | lurgyman | apparently the Iraqi communist party is happy, too :p |
| 16:54.25 | lurgyman | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=14&a=&t=&prev=13 |
| 16:54.35 | gonkulator | its more terrorism than he will fund in jail :) |
| 16:55.08 | gonkulator | heh, thats the stuff they are showing on Fox News |
| 16:55.33 | lurgyman | and there's yet to be any evidence that he funds terrorism |
| 16:55.34 | gonkulator | I wonder if Fox News understands that its *communists* they are showing |
| 16:55.43 | lurgyman | :) |
| 16:56.24 | gonkulator | well, now that we have him in custody, we will have all the proof we need |
| 16:57.14 | lurgyman | heh |
| 16:57.16 | lurgyman | of course |
| 16:57.26 | lurgyman | or proof the other way :/ |
| 16:57.54 | gonkulator | yeah, but they aren't going to say that on Fox News :) |
| 16:58.06 | lurgyman | haha |
| 16:58.07 | gonkulator | they are just going to say that Saddam won't fund terrorism from jail :) |
| 16:58.16 | lurgyman | naturally |
| 16:58.16 | gonkulator | which is true |
| 16:58.23 | lurgyman | it's true |
| 16:58.28 | gonkulator | :) |
| 16:58.32 | lurgyman | he also won't start a laundry machine company from jail |
| 16:58.42 | gonkulator | also important |
| 16:59.18 | gonkulator | ok, now they are starting to talk about WMD on Fox News |
| 16:59.21 | gonkulator | which means that Bush still has a chance to get screwed |
| 17:00.10 | lurgyman | when they find out that he wasn't hiding in a giant stockpile of them? :p |
| 17:00.31 | gonkulator | exactly |
| 17:01.48 | gonkulator | yay for Saddam being a coward |
| 17:01.56 | lurgyman | if President Bush still gets no evidence of WMD, and that was why he was going to the international community, and still gets no evidence of connections with terrorists, then he's in trouble |
| 17:02.35 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 17:02.58 | gonkulator | fortunately, the foreign policy of the world is that of appeasment |
| 17:03.04 | lurgyman | cuz if he's going to use the humanitarian reasons as the sole reasons for the invasion, then we need to get started in our historic invasion of China |
| 17:03.27 | gonkulator | oh? |
| 17:03.32 | lurgyman | there's a difference between letting things be and appeasement |
| 17:03.36 | gonkulator | ah |
| 17:03.40 | lurgyman | what happened before WWII was appeasement |
| 17:03.45 | lurgyman | since Hitler was making demands of everybody |
| 17:03.50 | lurgyman | where in this case |
| 17:04.01 | merlin{landing} | well, Bush's approval ratings are gonna go up |
| 17:04.03 | lurgyman | everything was just sitting there the same way it had been for the last 20 years |
| 17:04.16 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 17:04.25 | gonkulator | no... the world appeased us |
| 17:04.34 | lurgyman | gonkulator: oh? |
| 17:04.45 | gonkulator | yeah, we demanded that the world let us invade Iraq |
| 17:04.48 | gonkulator | and we did |
| 17:04.51 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:04.56 | lurgyman | now *that's* true |
| 17:05.12 | gonkulator | right, and the world will continue to apease us |
| 17:05.21 | lurgyman | yep |
| 17:05.22 | gonkulator | er, appeased |
| 17:05.53 | lurgyman | and hardcore American conservatives will continue to be mad at France, because no nation is allowed to disagree with the United States ;) |
| 17:05.54 | gonkulator | where we are different than Hitler is that we are being smarter about how we build our empire |
| 17:06.13 | gonkulator | but because of other things :) |
| 17:06.32 | merlin{landing} | teh French are teh su><0rz :P~ |
| 17:06.44 | merlin{landing} | gonkulator: oh? |
| 17:06.48 | merlin{landing} | France is France |
| 17:07.04 | gonkulator | merlin{landing}: french philosophers piss me off |
| 17:07.04 | lurgyman | yeah, we've realized that direct military conquest is not a smart way to go, even if our leaders don't really understand that the United States really *is* an empire |
| 17:07.10 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 17:07.13 | gonkulator | the only good french philosopher was Descartes |
| 17:07.20 | lurgyman | gonkulator: fortunately most of them seem to be dead then :p |
| 17:07.23 | gonkulator | and he fucked up philosophy for the last 500 years |
| 17:07.27 | lurgyman | at least, of the famous ones |
| 17:07.30 | gonkulator | yeah :) |
| 17:07.56 | merlin{landing} | Codito ergo sum! |
| 17:08.02 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 17:08.50 | lurgyman | Carpe Pollum! |
| 17:09.04 | gonkulator | sieze the chicken? |
| 17:09.13 | lurgyman | yep |
| 17:09.46 | lurgyman | breakfast time! |
| 17:15.36 | merlin{landing} | the president's address: reiterating the obvious with no new info |
| 17:16.40 | lurgyman | that's what presidents' addresses are for ;) |
| 17:18.34 | lurgyman | ew |
| 17:29.26 | gonkulator | and now, thus begins the response terrorism |
| 17:32.48 | gonkulator | zak: its all about the Iraqi communists |
| 17:33.04 | gonkulator | at least Bush is wearing an american flag, right |
| 17:46.07 | lurgyman | isn't that what happens when he dies? |
| 17:46.27 | gonkulator | lurgyman: no, the pin on his lapel |
| 17:46.45 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:47.57 | lurgyman | dweedeedoo |
| 17:48.00 | lurgyman | hey, it's zak! |
| 17:48.02 | lurgyman | mornin zak |
| 17:48.19 | gonkulator | yes, good morning zak |
| 17:55.18 | lurgyman | nighty night gonkulator |
| 18:02.16 | lurgyman | zak: how goes studying? |
| 18:20.13 | zak | hi |
| 18:20.34 | lurgyman | mornin |
| 18:20.39 | zak | lurgyman: it goes well, presetnly i am ranting |
| 18:20.53 | lurgyman | yay, ranting |
| 18:21.00 | lurgyman | what kinda ranting |
| 18:25.45 | lurgyman | sounds exciting, anyways... |
| 18:47.00 | zak | poit! |
| 18:47.01 | zak | all done |
| 18:47.12 | lurgyman | wheeyay |
| 18:47.21 | zak | time to indulge hunger |
| 18:53.21 | lurgyman | oh no! |
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| 19:34.26 | lurgyman | yay, something in python 2.3 fixed the annoying trough sorting bug :) |
| 19:39.03 | lurgyman | darth_mall: helloo? |
| 19:42.34 | lurgyman | hahaha |
| 19:47.56 | zak | i like presents! |
| 19:47.58 | zak | lol |
| 19:48.15 | sbahra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.16 | sbahra | ValueError: unpack list of wrong size |
| 19:48.19 | sbahra | Sorry, I do not do python |
| 19:48.22 | sbahra | Anyone here do so? |
| 19:48.39 | *** topic/#tacobeam by zak -> Ego-wise, two things are important to engineers: how smart they are and how many cool devices they own. || Tired of dealing with idiots? We offer quality DVD replication software clumsy || T minus 11 days! |
| 19:49.04 | sbahra | What exactly is wrong, this is comma-delimited assignment...looks fine with me (first four items) |
| 19:49.12 | zak | several people...i am not one of them |
| 19:49.39 | gonkulator | sbahra!!! |
| 19:49.42 | sbahra | Hey gonkulator |
| 19:49.49 | gonkulator | sbahra: so how do you feel about Saddam being captured? |
| 19:49.49 | sbahra | Hrm...I should bug some of the guys in Kerneled... |
| 19:49.59 | sbahra | gonkulator: I feel nothing :) |
| 19:50.03 | gonkulator | right |
| 19:50.11 | sbahra | gonkulator: He is substantially uglier now though... |
| 19:50.16 | gonkulator | agreed |
| 19:50.19 | sbahra | gonkulator: From palaces to an empty cellar in a remote town |
| 19:50.31 | gonkulator | though, he looked pretty bad before IMHO |
| 19:52.25 | lurgyman | yay, darth_mall is awake, looks like |
| 19:52.32 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 19:53.32 | lurgyman | darth_mall: you get the message? |
| 19:53.46 | darth_mall | quite |
| 19:53.54 | gonkulator | morning darth_mall |
| 19:53.57 | lurgyman | cool |
| 20:00.00 | darth_mall | pfff |
| 20:00.04 | darth_mall | kris calls, I msg him, he logs out |
| 20:00.39 | gonkulator | lol |
| 20:00.46 | gonkulator | what a great guy :) |
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| 20:05.26 | gonkulator | morning file |
| 20:05.32 | file | hiya |
| 20:05.35 | gonkulator | we got the bastard :) |
| 20:05.45 | file | who shotwho |
| 20:06.09 | gonkulator | Troops from the Fourth Infantry Division captured Saddam Hussien |
| 20:06.14 | file | oh yes |
| 20:06.27 | darth_mall | gonkulator: you frighten me sometimes |
| 20:06.38 | gonkulator | darth_mall: I frighten myself more oftem |
| 20:07.19 | file | my hardrive is in Dieppe and will be delivered tomorrow. |
| 20:07.26 | gonkulator | cool |
| 20:09.17 | gonkulator | oh no! |
| 20:09.21 | lurgyman | the three donkeymen of the apocolypse! |
| 20:09.24 | lurgyman | mwa ha ha! |
| 20:09.37 | gonkulator | lurgyman: more cause to Carpe Pollum? |
| 20:11.20 | lurgyman | darn straight |
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| 20:16.14 | sbahra | hey |
| 20:17.47 | lurgyman | this is going to be sooo creepy |
| 20:19.24 | lurgyman | gonkulator: working on trough :) |
| 20:19.32 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 20:21.36 | darth_mall | yay lurgy |
| 20:21.40 | darth_mall | lurgy lurgy lurgy! |
| 20:21.51 | lurgyman | darth darth darth! |
| 20:21.55 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 20:22.59 | darth_mall | everyone yell hi to scanline |
| 20:23.04 | lurgyman | darth_mall: we should play chess again at some point today ^^ |
| 20:23.05 | lurgyman | ooh |
| 20:23.06 | lurgyman | scanline: |
| 20:23.08 | scanline | mornin |
| 20:23.10 | lurgyman | have i got a sight for you |
| 20:23.19 | lurgyman | http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/157034 |
| 20:23.39 | scanline | ewwwww |
| 20:24.05 | lurgyman | :D |
| 20:25.03 | darth_mall | scanline met someone at the dog show |
| 20:25.27 | scanline | lurgyman: this Filter thingy I wrote for CIA is creepy :) |
| 20:25.49 | lurgyman | scanline: this callbacks system i'm going to end up using in trough is also creepy :) |
| 20:25.51 | scanline | lurgyman: it recursively converts XML into a function using nested functions and lexical scoping |
| 20:25.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:25.58 | lurgyman | hahaha |
| 20:26.04 | lurgyman | creepy indeed :) |
| 20:26.34 | darth_mall | lurgyman: why would someone do that |
| 20:27.54 | lurgyman | the file system tree and the list of pieces share the same nodes, so they are going to use the callbacks to tell each other what they're doing :) |
| 20:28.05 | lurgyman | only |
| 20:28.12 | lurgyman | mostly they're going to be used for when they're being deleted |
| 20:28.25 | lurgyman | so the callbacks are going to end up being in destructors |
| 20:28.39 | lurgyman | if python works that way |
| 20:30.05 | scanline | eep |
| 20:30.21 | scanline | python's "destructors" usually don't behave the way you expect them to |
| 20:30.28 | lurgyman | :( |
| 20:30.43 | scanline | well, they get called when an object is garbage collected |
| 20:30.43 | lurgyman | either that, or plant the callbacks elsewhere |
| 20:30.50 | lurgyman | oh |
| 20:30.51 | scanline | but that won't happen if there's a reference to them anywhere |
| 20:30.56 | lurgyman | so i will need to plant them elsewhere |
| 20:31.42 | lurgyman | that behaves sort of like a destructor |
| 20:31.43 | lurgyman | only |
| 20:31.48 | lurgyman | it gets called explicitly |
| 20:31.50 | lurgyman | scanline: trough |
| 20:31.53 | lurgyman | >:D |
| 20:31.55 | scanline | well yeah... |
| 20:32.03 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 20:36.41 | lurgyman | would have been cool |
| 20:37.15 | lurgyman | darth_mall: i'll let you get that, prolley for you |
| 20:37.21 | scanline | lurgyman: he's in the shower |
| 20:37.37 | lurgyman | heh |
| 20:37.46 | lurgyman | or not :) |
| 20:37.55 | scanline | that too |
| 20:37.55 | lurgyman | darth_mall: you have been damned! |
| 20:38.31 | sbahra | zak: Ok, it looks like this ctags file includes some new fields which this script can't handle. Got a work around :) |
| 20:49.20 | darth_mall | lurgyman: kris again? |
| 20:49.47 | lurgyman | darth_mall: yep |
| 20:49.56 | darth_mall | why does TMBG have to be so damn cool |
| 20:50.54 | lurgyman | nyrge |
| 20:50.56 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 20:55.06 | lurgyman | darn scanline for being right about how the python destructors work |
| 20:55.26 | scanline | lurgyman: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:57.09 | darth_mall | lurgyman: you should just invent your own python ^ |
| 20:57.12 | darth_mall | erm... ^^ |
| 20:57.47 | darth_mall | "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch your record and I thought you said we had a deal!" |
| 20:58.51 | darth_mall | ugh, no motivation to study... |
| 20:59.15 | lurgyman | (well, i get around it but it's just not quite as cool as it was before) i have a really big structure FSTree which should pretty much just be a duplicate of the file system with some directory for it's root. there's also essentially a list of Piece classes, each of which contains at least one node from the FSTree. the callbacks are so that when FSTree deletes something, Piece hears about it. |
| 20:59.32 | lurgyman | ...and can take care to ignore it |
| 20:59.43 | lurgyman | er |
| 20:59.49 | lurgyman | s/ignore/remove/ |
| 20:59.49 | scanline | ah |
| 21:00.13 | scanline | yeah... if you tried using __del__, it would never get called because Piece would still have a reference to the FSTree instance |
| 21:00.19 | lurgyman | yep |
| 21:01.53 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 21:01.57 | lurgyman | array.remove(removed()) :) |
| 21:02.05 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:02.35 | file | I made my first patch file today, very neat |
| 21:03.06 | scanline | yay file |
| 21:03.32 | file | now busybox has partial support for FreeBSD |
| 21:04.32 | lurgyman | but yay for python 2.3 fixing the trough sorting bug all by itself |
| 21:04.33 | scanline | king of the wicker people? |
| 21:05.06 | gonkulator | file: neat, what else has to be done to make it full support :) |
| 21:05.44 | file | well the process stuff is all Linux only from what I can tell |
| 21:06.07 | file | mount/umount support has to be extended (I added basic support), ping doesn't work... |
| 21:06.09 | file | the list goes on |
| 21:06.15 | gonkulator | ah, ok |
| 21:06.47 | darth_mall | scanline: we should rent and rip that movie next |
| 21:06.58 | file | gonkulator: because people wanted it :) |
| 21:07.04 | gonkulator | file: works for me :) |
| 21:07.05 | scanline | darth_mall: which one? |
| 21:07.21 | darth_mall | scanline: the first Batman movie |
| 21:07.43 | scanline | ah |
| 21:08.22 | lurgyman | yay |
| 21:08.25 | lurgyman | and north by northwest |
| 21:08.38 | lurgyman | and the auction scene is soo cool |
| 21:09.11 | darth_mall | lurgyman: auction scene? |
| 21:09.22 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 21:09.26 | darth_mall | not West |
| 21:09.47 | darth_mall | 'king of the wicker people' is from Tim Burton's Batman |
| 21:09.48 | lurgyman | okay, but i wasn't talking about either ^^ |
| 21:09.56 | darth_mall | oh |
| 21:10.00 | darth_mall | north by northwest |
| 21:10.03 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 21:10.22 | darth_mall | wasn't he? |
| 21:10.29 | darth_mall | or am I thinking of something else |
| 21:10.54 | lurgyman | could be |
| 21:11.07 | file | gonkulator: did I mention df doesn't work? |
| 21:11.18 | gonkulator | file: no, you didn't |
| 21:11.23 | gonkulator | but I'm sure you will get it |
| 21:11.24 | file | well it doesn't :) |
| 21:11.43 | scanline | file: what does work? |
| 21:11.44 | scanline | :) |
| 21:11.57 | file | scanline: the list for what doesn't is shorter than what does |
| 21:12.13 | file | wget works... traceroute... who, login, getty, du, ls, rm, touch, cp |
| 21:12.16 | file | etc |
| 21:12.21 | file | the archive utilities |
| 21:12.40 | scanline | doesn't seem like those would require much porting |
| 21:12.47 | file | wget and traceroute did |
| 21:12.52 | file | who I wrote myself |
| 21:14.01 | darth_mall | what a nice day |
| 21:14.34 | lurgyman | yep ^^ |
| 21:15.09 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 21:17.19 | lurgyman | d'oh |
| 21:17.40 | scanline | eek |
| 21:17.49 | scanline | well... |
| 21:18.18 | scanline | you can pickle functions as long as they're something that can be retrieved from the global namespace rather than something you make on the fly |
| 21:19.17 | gonkulator | scanline: eres sauce! |
| 21:19.46 | lurgyman | scanline: that's what i'm thinking, i'm hoping pickle will support it (iirc, cPickle doesn't like functions) |
| 21:20.02 | scanline | lurgyman: there shouldn't be that much difference between them |
| 21:20.35 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 21:20.37 | lurgyman | so it seems, now :) |
| 21:23.09 | lurgyman | huh |
| 21:23.28 | lurgyman | yay for it working |
| 21:23.44 | lurgyman | but... the pickle size got smaller somehow... |
| 21:24.02 | lurgyman | so maybe no workey... |
| 21:24.23 | lurgyman | but it *seems* like it's working... |
| 21:24.40 | scanline | you could try the pickle disassembler |
| 21:24.54 | lurgyman | ? |
| 21:25.17 | lurgyman | heh |
| 21:25.18 | lurgyman | pickle |
| 21:25.41 | scanline | #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 21:25.41 | scanline | import pickletools, sys |
| 21:25.41 | scanline | pickletools.dis(open(sys.argv[1])) |
| 21:26.49 | lurgyman | wow |
| 21:26.54 | lurgyman | thanks :) |
| 21:27.19 | scanline | lurgyman: lots of picklicious fun in /navi/svn/misc/trunk/python |
| 21:28.22 | lurgyman | :) |
| 21:28.55 | lurgyman | hmm... well, it *seems* to be working... |
| 21:29.52 | lurgyman | still kinda weird though |
| 21:30.18 | scanline | ooh boy here comes the fun part... |
| 21:30.31 | scanline | need to convert CIA's weird color specification system into XML |
| 21:30.57 | scanline | and it has to be able to parse garbage like {blue}{reverse}{yellow}Hi{red}There{normal} |
| 21:31.28 | scanline | luckily I think I already did this once to get that into HTML+CSS and I can just modify that :) |
| 21:32.31 | lurgyman | hahaha |
| 21:32.37 | lurgyman | ewww |
| 21:38.32 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 21:38.42 | darth_mall | "we urge you to just sit back, relax and drive really fast" |
| 21:38.49 | darth_mall | oh, wait |
| 21:39.05 | darth_mall | "we urge you to just sti back, close your eyes, relax and drive really fast" |
| 21:39.07 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 21:47.10 | scanline | uhoh |
| 21:47.25 | gonkulator | http://www-306.ibm.com/e-business/doc/content/lp/prodigy.html |
| 21:49.12 | darth_mall | hmmm |
| 21:49.42 | gonkulator | the thing is, you know its a linux commercial before you see it |
| 21:50.31 | gonkulator | darth_mall: and the latest sbemail is great :) |
| 21:53.02 | gonkulator | strong sad beats the crap out of coach z |
| 21:53.36 | lurgyman | whee, lunchtime |
| 21:55.49 | darth_mall | hmmm... lunch sounds tasty |
| 21:56.22 | file | gonkulator: another 40-50cm heading my way :) |
| 21:56.32 | file | of snow |
| 21:56.52 | gonkulator | file: you know better than to reply to spams :) |
| 21:57.05 | gonkulator | snickers even |
| 21:57.08 | gonkulator | file: enjoy the snow |
| 21:57.11 | file | haha |
| 21:57.18 | gonkulator | we still have some on the ground here |
| 21:57.30 | gonkulator | not enough to make a snow man though |
| 21:57.41 | scanline | yay for emacs |
| 21:57.47 | scanline | ESC -8 C-x TAB |
| 21:57.48 | lurgyman | hurray |
| 21:57.56 | lurgyman | ew |
| 21:58.23 | scanline | unindents every line in the current region by 8 spaces.. great sort of thing for python code |
| 22:00.57 | darth_mall | scanline: a member function of a class doesn't have to take a 'self' argument, does it? |
| 22:01.28 | scanline | it doesn't have to be called self, but it does always get an argument there |
| 22:02.15 | darth_mall | hrm |
| 22:02.17 | captain_proton | you should call it jimmy |
| 22:02.24 | darth_mall | morning captain_proton |
| 22:02.33 | captain_proton | mornin' |
| 22:03.25 | file | is it possible to tell diff to ignore certain directories? |
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| 22:05.34 | gonkulator | oh crap |
| 22:05.43 | lurgyman | ? |
| 22:05.44 | gonkulator | noooo |
| 22:05.59 | lurgyman | ? |
| 22:07.51 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 22:08.22 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 22:08.29 | gonkulator | yes, you should |
| 22:08.31 | lurgyman | morning |
| 22:08.59 | darth_mall | but I'm kinda on a roll |
| 22:09.41 | lurgyman | mmm |
| 22:09.43 | lurgyman | chicken dance |
| 22:13.18 | captain_proton | lurgyman: are you doing juries or something? |
| 22:14.23 | lurgyman | captain_proton: the same sorta-jury we do every semester |
| 22:14.42 | file | ahhhh there... -Nur will do... |
| 22:14.47 | gonkulator | lurgyman: have you subjected captain_proton to that version of O Holy Night that you made me hear? |
| 22:14.47 | lurgyman | that effects only our grade |
| 22:14.52 | lurgyman | of course |
| 22:14.58 | lurgyman | :) |
| 22:17.11 | scanline | yay, it's like a SAX-ish parser for CIA's old commit log format |
| 22:20.55 | captain_proton | lurgyman: fun |
| 22:21.11 | darth_mall | mmmm... pizza |
| 22:21.23 | darth_mall | captain_proton: I've got a couple DVD's you need to rip |
| 22:21.27 | captain_proton | yup |
| 22:21.37 | captain_proton | so yeah |
| 22:21.37 | darth_mall | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and UHF |
| 22:21.37 | captain_proton | we need to go to tora sometime this week |
| 22:23.24 | scanline | mmm.. this parser gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside |
| 22:24.25 | captain_proton | hah, gnome 2.5.1's tagline is good |
| 22:24.26 | captain_proton | "hey, at least i'm housebroken" |
| 22:25.09 | darth_mall | ^^ |
| 22:25.16 | darth_mall | mmm... Ghostbusters |
| 22:25.36 | darth_mall | scanline: want me to move to the living room? |
| 22:25.57 | scanline | darth_mall: nah, I'm having too much fun with this code to really pay attention :) |
| 22:28.09 | captain_proton | wow, its warm outside |
| 22:28.16 | darth_mall | mmhmm |
| 22:28.28 | scanline | hmm, yeah |
| 22:29.14 | darth_mall | lol |
| 22:29.50 | gonkulator | scanline: how hard would it be to make it a gkrellm (or whatever) plugin thing? |
| 22:30.16 | scanline | gonkulator: I dunno much about gkrellm internals, but the XML-RPC interface to the thermserver is really easy |
| 22:30.16 | darth_mall | as hard as it takes to do one ^^ |
| 22:30.27 | scanline | this one's a gnome panel applet |
| 22:31.34 | gonkulator | oh no! |
| 22:31.47 | gonkulator | darth_mall: it wouldn't be hard, all it would say is "screwing around" |
| 22:32.19 | darth_mall | what a great name: "Egon Spengler" |
| 22:32.19 | gonkulator | anyway, halftime |
| 22:32.24 | gonkulator | so now I play DDR |
| 22:32.34 | darth_mall | if I ever have kids I'm gonna name one of 'em Egon |
| 22:33.06 | darth_mall | listen! do you smell something? |
| 22:45.00 | scanline | ooh |
| 22:45.01 | scanline | http://www.ogre3d.org/tmp/cel_shading_5.jpg |
| 22:47.01 | captain_proton | neat |
| 22:47.04 | captain_proton | needs some AA though |
| 22:47.25 | scanline | yeah, I just mentioned that to him :) |
| 22:50.21 | captain_proton | yay for vncviewer breaking on certain SetInputFocus events |
| 22:52.36 | darth_mall | silly scanline, trix are for kids |
| 22:55.38 | captain_proton | hah |
| 22:55.40 | captain_proton | <^s|Leep> wtf... |
| 22:55.41 | captain_proton | <^s|Leep> Lindows has Integrated pornography |
| 22:55.41 | captain_proton | <^s|Leep> opps |
| 22:55.41 | captain_proton | <^s|Leep> =\ |
| 22:55.41 | captain_proton | <^s|Leep> Integrated pornography blocking |
| 22:57.29 | scanline | <message><source><project>sources-redhat-com</project></source><body><colorText><color fg='green'>drow</color> <color fg='yellow'>drow-cplus-branch</color> * <color fg='light blue'>src</color>/ (128 files in 19 dirs):<br/>Merge drow-cplus-branch to:<br/>cvs rtag -D 2003-12-14 00:00:00 UTC drow-cplus-merge-20031214 gdb+dejagnu</colorText></body></message> |
| 22:57.30 | scanline | whee |
| 22:57.52 | Cae|Away | ah, window of opportunity. best stargate episode ever. |
| 22:57.58 | scanline | Cae|Away: YES! |
| 22:58.54 | lurgyman | Cae|Away: naturally :) |
| 22:59.02 | darth_mall | ooh, it's Cae|Away |
| 22:59.28 | scanline | bah, hate it when I type C-x C-s in xchat |
| 22:59.52 | captain_proton | scanline: hehe |
| 23:00.23 | captain_proton | see, the worst that happens for me is that you guys see |
| 23:00.23 | captain_proton | :w |
| 23:01.19 | scanline | well, you folks don't see it, but it opens the server list or something :) |
| 23:01.32 | captain_proton | yup |
| 23:02.29 | scanline | hmm, {bold} isn't working |
| 23:02.49 | scanline | oh, kinda helps if I actually run the latest version of the code |
| 23:07.27 | captain_proton | hmm, coffee you say |
| 23:08.02 | lurgyman | yay |
| 23:08.20 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 23:08.26 | lurgyman | we have a theery exam tomorrow morning, don't we |
| 23:08.40 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:08.57 | lurgyman | yay for the disturbing callbacks system of DOOM |
| 23:09.12 | captain_proton | scanline: poke |
| 23:10.34 | scanline | yep? |
| 23:10.45 | captain_proton | scanline: coffee? |
| 23:10.53 | scanline | yay |
| 23:11.09 | gonkulator | what a fun game :) |
| 23:11.18 | scanline | whee |
| 23:11.32 | scanline | now commits are being sent to yoshi at the same time as the original CIA bot |
| 23:11.43 | lurgyman | yay for preventing redundant files in the pickled tree now |
| 23:12.24 | gonkulator | scanline: I hope you find it fun |
| 23:14.01 | darth_mall | are you gonna make scanline play? |
| 23:15.21 | gonkulator | darth_mall: I am going to invite him to play |
| 23:15.28 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I am not bringing the pads up to boulder, don't worry |
| 23:15.38 | gonkulator | captain_proton: this is going to be at Jai's LAN party |
| 23:16.04 | gonkulator | captain_proton: and no, you weren't clear enough |
| 23:16.34 | captain_proton | thats not what i mean |
| 23:16.35 | captain_proton | t |
| 23:16.43 | captain_proton | i wanted scanline to make coffee, but apparently there already was some |
| 23:16.47 | gonkulator | ah |
| 23:18.35 | scanline | hrm, I'm getting every commit twice now |
| 23:19.00 | lurgyman | yay |
| 23:19.04 | lurgyman | twice the OSS productivity |
| 23:19.17 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:20.01 | file | it works... it works! |
| 23:20.04 | file | abydos# ./busybox free |
| 23:20.04 | file | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.04 | file | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.04 | file | Total: 127852544 60608512 67244032 |
| 23:21.03 | scanline | whee, lookit all them commits streaming by in XML |
| 23:21.21 | scanline | now to make them not so little by including information about the email's source... |
| 23:25.16 | Cae|Away | I refuse to be fried. |
| 23:25.58 | gonkulator | so, what... like 8 :) |
| 23:26.14 | Cae|Away | I refuse to be fried. |
| 23:26.25 | lurgyman | uh oh, loop mode |
| 23:26.26 | lurgyman | could be a 9 |
| 23:26.41 | gonkulator | lurgyman: I don't think we should talk about |
| 23:26.41 | Cae|Away | 0. |
| 23:26.48 | Cae|Away | when this is over, 15. |
| 23:26.52 | Cae|Away | but for now, 0. |
| 23:27.13 | scanline | captain_proton: debian uses it on their boot disks :) |
| 23:27.39 | lurgyman | :) |
| 23:27.46 | darth_mall | grrr... stupid being broke |
| 23:27.49 | lurgyman | yep |
| 23:29.04 | gonkulator | finally... bronco touchdown |
| 23:29.40 | captain_proton | darth_mall: don't you still have a bananna on the counter from a couple weeks ago or did you finally throw that out? :) |
| 23:30.17 | darth_mall | hehe =P |
| 23:32.15 | lurgyman | hmm... bug... |
| 23:36.01 | scanline | I think that's true of most people |
| 23:36.14 | scanline | or at least darth_mall, my family, and myself :) |
| 23:36.18 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:37.08 | darth_mall | I just forgot about that banana, cuz it got behind some stuff |
| 23:37.17 | captain_proton | woof |
| 23:37.26 | captain_proton | its so disconcerting to see facial hair in my peripheral vision |
| 23:37.31 | darth_mall | ? |
| 23:37.34 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:38.33 | scanline | oh no! |
| 23:38.43 | lurgyman | yay all fixed |
| 23:40.11 | captain_proton | aha, calendar issue was apparently a bad merge in some xml files |
| 23:40.24 | captain_proton | and silly cvs did its <<<<<<<<<< blah ====== blah2 >>>>>>>> thing |
| 23:40.28 | captain_proton | and it parsed as xml :P |
| 23:40.30 | scanline | haha |
| 23:40.44 | captain_proton | or at least with whatever broken parser they use |
| 23:40.51 | lurgyman | :( |
| 23:41.07 | captain_proton | i suppose its possible that they just had a CDATA definition |
| 23:41.10 | lurgyman | hurray, no more redundant file trees |
| 23:44.20 | captain_proton | flcl ost time |
| 23:44.55 | darth_mall | welp, time for to go study the physics |
| 23:45.03 | gonkulator | later darth_mall |
| 23:45.44 | lurgyman | bye bye the darth_mall |
| 23:46.04 | lurgyman | hurray |
| 23:46.26 | lurgyman | now it's easy to implement the removal functions |
| 23:46.32 | lurgyman | s/functions/feature/ |
| 23:47.19 | scanline | are you still using Event? :) |
| 23:48.48 | lurgyman | scanline: no, i haven't been... this application seemed too simple for all that extra code :) |
| 23:49.18 | scanline | :) |
| 23:49.21 | lurgyman | all i needed was a destruction callback |
| 23:49.27 | lurgyman | and it seems to be working :) |
| 23:49.33 | captain_proton | scanline: submitted that to guido yet? :) |
| 23:49.40 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:52.34 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 23:52.39 | captain_proton | svn needs some clearcase-like features |
| 23:52.43 | captain_proton | like local branches |
| 23:53.54 | lurgyman | hmm? |
| 23:54.05 | scanline | yaknow, I suppose I should define the <timestamp> a bit better... like maybe using UTC or something :) |
| 23:54.17 | captain_proton | scanline: i just forced integer :) |
| 23:54.27 | scanline | :) |
| 23:54.51 | scanline | well, I could still make it UNIX time in UTC... but using the same format email uses would make more sense |
| 23:54.51 | lurgyman | captain_proton: old christmastime thing, you say? |
| 23:55.50 | captain_proton | eek, nautilus just started |
| 23:56.44 | lurgyman | :) |
| 23:58.29 | captain_proton | lurgyman: making yourself sick and all |
| 23:58.55 | scanline | hmm, yay for XMLifying all the email headers |
| 23:59.04 | lurgyman | captain_proton: heh. well, i haven't done that in... 12 or 13 years, so i'd have to try pretty hard :) |
