| 02:39.01 | *** join/#storm fcorrea (~fcorrea@201-62-110-81-ma.static.vivax.com.br) |
| 04:55.10 | *** join/#storm wgrant (~wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant) |
| 09:36.07 | *** join/#storm wgrant (~wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant) |
| 13:40.59 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r380 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 13:41.00 | _mup_ | - Moved 'object-relational-mapper' content to 'storm-objects' |
| 13:41.00 | _mup_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.00 | _mup_ | - Added a new (mostly empty) 'queries' document. |
| 13:41.00 | _mup_ | - Added more content to the 'connections' document. |
| 13:42.00 | *** join/#storm keppla (~keppla@i577B29CC.versanet.de) |
| 13:58.30 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r381 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 13:58.30 | _mup_ | - Tweaked some configuration settings. |
| 18:59.04 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r382 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 18:59.04 | _mup_ | - Added information about properties, Reference's and ReferenceSet's. |
| 20:01.45 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r383 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 20:01.45 | _mup_ | - Added some information about many-to-many relationships. |
| 20:01.46 | _mup_ | - Started describing how adding objects works. |
| 21:27.30 | *** join/#storm EM03 (~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03) |
| 21:27.37 | EM03 | hey quick question |
| 21:28.07 | EM03 | do any of you feel sometimes that orm's are sorta hiding the truth? Like for the past 3 weeks I have forced myself to write sql queries by hand |
| 21:28.10 | EM03 | I'm super fast with it now |
| 21:28.47 | EM03 | some people are so against writing sql and I'm trying to think of the reason behind it |
| 21:29.49 | EM03 | I think it might be because most people used php + mysql and did all their queries in the code and were crappy at it but finally started to learn then the new generation of frameworks came out ....so anything from before php / mysql had to be "bad" and the new "way" is better but it could easily be they were just not experienced at that time |
| 21:32.55 | therve | well |
| 21:33.02 | therve | it's like saying that ASM is better than C |
| 21:33.24 | therve | you may be very fast, but what is more convenient? |
| 21:34.36 | therve | also, ORMs force you to have escaping workingly properly, which is kind of the main problem in the php/sql world |
| 21:42.17 | *** join/#storm keppla (~keppla@i577B185F.versanet.de) |
| 21:43.42 | EM03 | therve: the difference between asm and C is much much further than sql to orm api |
| 21:44.13 | EM03 | therve: i would agree ....hence why i said many php devs who didn't even know OO think this is all better |
| 21:46.11 | EM03 | select * from table is not that much different than table.get.all() .....no api / language can guess your query |
| 21:46.35 | EM03 | i was just at a conference and many people there thought sql was evil ....never use it under any circumstances |
| 21:46.50 | EM03 | and I was like hold on ....there is an underlying issue here not being addressed |
| 22:21.11 | jkakar | EM03: There is no golden hammer. Choose the appropriate solution for your problem... if it's an ORM, then great, if it's hand-written SQL, then also great. |
| 22:21.49 | jkakar | EM03: Trying to make a blanket statement that one is better than the other misses the point that they're different solutions suited to different problems. |
| 22:22.26 | EM03 | so its different tools for different problems jkakar ? |
| 22:23.38 | EM03 | to me they solve the same exact problem |
| 22:24.42 | EM03 | orm popularity is something that is out of the nosql movement.....anything to get away from PHP and how it does things! |
| 22:27.27 | *** join/#storm keppla1 (~keppla@i577B09DB.versanet.de) |
| 22:43.30 | *** join/#storm marienz_ (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) |
| 23:23.49 | jkakar | EM03: Sure, whatever. |
| 23:24.02 | EM03 | jkakar: i sitll like orm's |
| 23:24.22 | EM03 | but speed wise I'm not sure if they are any different if your an sql master |
| 23:44.08 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r384 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 23:44.08 | _mup_ | - Fixed broken example code. |
| 23:44.08 | _mup_ | - Added a section describing how flushing working. |
| 23:44.08 | _mup_ | - Improved the introduction, explaining how the documentation is |
| 23:44.08 | _mup_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.43 | _mup_ | storm/documentation r385 committed by jkakar@kakar.ca |
| 23:53.43 | _mup_ | - Improved table formatting. |