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| 05:33.49 | draktok | Anyone feel like answering noob trigger questions |
| 05:34.49 | draktok | also does deadzergling or zolden bounty still hang out ? |
| 05:34.56 | draktok | ArcanePariah ? |
| 06:05.08 | temhawk | draktok: ask and maybe I can answer a question |
| 06:05.19 | draktok | ok |
| 06:05.31 | draktok | Maybe i am making it complicated, i used to map a bunch, but i quit for 2 yrs , so i am sorry |
| 06:05.44 | draktok | I am attemp to start a map out, everyone has a building that can build a unit |
| 06:05.58 | draktok | If you don't build a unit before the timer expires, then i want the building to die and create default unit |
| 06:06.11 | draktok | What I can't seem to get right, is the condition for the player to trigger |
| 06:06.42 | draktok | Event is set to "Timer expires" referring to my timer, but the conditoion, I am having issue because I don't know how to ensure that it is going to give that unit to player 1, or 2, or 3 for example. |
| 06:07.31 | draktok | so i made a quick trigger that assigns all these buildings to the region, "spawn" ... and i set the condition to "Unit attached to region named spawn is alive = true, and owner of unit attached to spawn =1, to create unit" , and i copy it for all 5 players |
| 06:07.34 | draktok | but it doesn't do anything :o |
| 06:07.53 | draktok | so, owner of unit is 2, and 3, and 4, and 5 respecitvely |
| 06:08.25 | draktok | does it make sense temhawk ? |
| 06:11.34 | temhawk | so let me get this right: 1. you have a building for each player. 2. each player can produce one unit out of that building 3. if the player doesn't produce a unit within a certain amount of time you want to give him a default unit 4. when the player gets a unit (produced by himself or default) you want to destroy the building and transition to something else for that player only (others may still be choosing) |
| 06:12.00 | draktok | Correct. I have the 4 done already, right now, if you pick a hero , your building blows up, and you move on |
| 06:12.23 | draktok | I just can't get the # 3 right , where i give default unit and destroy the building |
| 06:12.28 | draktok | I can't figure out how to work the condition :( |
| 06:12.42 | temhawk | but the default unit part is not working? you don't know how to detect if they've made a unit? |
| 06:13.00 | draktok | Is it possible? |
| 06:13.04 | draktok | For the game to know they've made a unit ? |
| 06:13.14 | draktok | I was thinking the reverse, if player does not create unite, i want to do X |
| 06:13.18 | draktok | but I can't find a trigger to do so |
| 06:13.34 | draktok | If it's possible to do the reverse, "player create unit", maybe the condition is "not" ? |
| 06:15.31 | temhawk | well, you can do a variety of things, like pick each unit in unit group (have each building in a unit group), create a default unit for the owner of that building and destroy the building |
| 06:15.51 | ArcanePariah | Or better yet, don't use triggers |
| 06:15.55 | draktok | Ok, let me see if i can figure out how to do that as you say , i like that |
| 06:15.55 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 06:16.10 | draktok | ArcanePariah, you know i love data if you remember me, for example i did floating text using data, no triggers |
| 06:16.29 | draktok | but , for this, i am trying to build a simple map for my brother easy to understand, and for him, trigger will work better for his brain :) |
| 06:16.38 | temhawk | or have an integer array of type Boolean where you keep track of which player has produced a unit, and then for-loop over that arracy and check "if false" and make default unit for player "picked integer" for example. so yes |
| 06:16.38 | ArcanePariah | Then have a behavior on the building, with an expire effect that suicides the building and runs a create unit effect. |
| 06:16.52 | draktok | haha, a behavior to do so ... mmm |
| 06:16.55 | draktok | I know how to do that! |
| 06:16.58 | draktok | but triggers, damn u |
| 06:17.11 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, you going to want to create the builinds and put them in a unit group |
| 06:17.11 | draktok | temhawk that method sound more confusing |
| 06:17.20 | draktok | let me attempt the first thing , put units in a unit group |
| 06:17.41 | draktok | oh wait, i think i do that - it says grab units like this ... "add all units in entire map owned by any player to unit group" |
| 06:18.28 | draktok | Oh wait, this is where i was confused |
| 06:18.48 | draktok | It says "UNit group - Add all units in (( blah blah blah * * )) what do i put in that one ? |
| 06:18.54 | draktok | User Data (Unit) i don't know it |
| 06:19.06 | temhawk | draktok: if the buildings are pre-placed in the terrain editor you can add them to a unit group and then choose it in the trigger module in the "Value" source category |
| 06:19.18 | draktok | ok, let me see if i can determine it |
| 06:19.19 | draktok | just a moment |
| 06:19.26 | draktok | yes they are preplaced, easier for me to look at |
| 06:20.57 | draktok | if a unit is destroyed |
| 06:21.00 | draktok | does it remove it from a unit group? |
| 06:21.04 | draktok | or if a unit is killed , rather |
| 06:21.08 | temhawk | yes |
| 06:21.11 | draktok | IE, if i have the trigger to kill unit when unit is created, it removes it? |
| 06:21.15 | draktok | Ok, so that's a safe condition to use? |
| 06:22.18 | temhawk | yeah, timer expired -> pick each unit in unit group and do actions: create default unit for player (owner of picked unit) and destroy picked unit |
| 06:22.25 | draktok | pick each unit |
| 06:22.29 | draktok | ok, i need to figure out how to pick each unit |
| 06:22.32 | draktok | thats's where i am stuck for now :) |
| 06:23.12 | temhawk | the action is in the "Unit Group" category |
| 06:23.58 | temhawk | and "Picked Unit" is a function also in the "Unit Group" category |
| 06:24.21 | draktok | omg |
| 06:24.23 | draktok | i think i see |
| 06:24.27 | draktok | i see in action, i am looking condition |
| 06:24.29 | draktok | fk condition |
| 06:24.38 | temhawk | lol |
| 06:24.51 | draktok | ok, it work |
| 06:24.55 | draktok | concern, i get a ton of error |
| 06:24.58 | draktok | answer, i don't know |
| 06:24.59 | draktok | but it work |
| 06:24.59 | draktok | :D |
| 06:25.07 | temhawk | o.O |
| 06:25.10 | temhawk | what errors? |
| 06:25.21 | draktok | hang, on, i had lot of conditions i delete, now i try one more for you |
| 06:25.59 | draktok | question, i'd like a text message pop up and say "Player X did not pick! A holy paladin fills the ranks..." |
| 06:26.09 | draktok | I know how to do it, but how do i tie that to users who had a unit created by this trigger? |
| 06:26.12 | draktok | Is it possible for it ? |
| 06:26.21 | draktok | otherwise it spam "player 1" 5 times :) |
| 06:27.24 | temhawk | "owner of unit (picked unit)" |
| 06:27.32 | draktok | within the same tirgger? |
| 06:27.34 | draktok | or a new trigger? |
| 06:27.47 | temhawk | within the "pick each unit in unit group" action |
| 06:27.52 | draktok | got it |
| 06:27.56 | draktok | just a moment i try for u friend :) |
| 06:29.22 | draktok | I created this unde the trigger of "pick each unit in "unit group" and do (actions) |
| 06:29.39 | draktok | "If owner of picked unit = 1, then UI display "blah blah blah", and so i can copy paste for each player ? |
| 06:30.47 | draktok | Ok, that does work, but i don't know if that's the best way to do it |
| 06:30.49 | draktok | but , it works :) |
| 06:31.44 | draktok | last question for the night, if you are available |
| 06:31.46 | temhawk | nah, it's much easier than that |
| 06:31.51 | temhawk | ok |
| 06:31.54 | draktok | It works but somehow it creates one unit |
| 06:31.58 | draktok | for a nuetral player |
| 06:32.09 | draktok | but there's only 5 alters, one for each player, so i don't know why it creates 6 |
| 06:32.16 | draktok | the 6th being a nuetral |
| 06:33.39 | temhawk | https://www.refheap.com/114168 |
| 06:35.41 | temhawk | sorry, that's wrong |
| 06:35.45 | temhawk | this is correct: https://www.refheap.com/114169 |
| 06:37.21 | draktok | hang on |
| 06:37.23 | draktok | i try something similar |
| 06:37.24 | draktok | i tell u |
| 06:37.40 | draktok | Ok, i got it mostly |
| 06:37.53 | draktok | It now does this " Name of player (picked player)) + Did not pick! |
| 06:37.57 | draktok | so it's ok great :) |
| 06:41.42 | draktok | Ok temhawk , it works lovely |
| 06:41.43 | draktok | perfect now |
| 06:41.52 | draktok | The only issue is i do get an error, but it doesn't seem to effect on the script |
| 06:41.55 | draktok | It says i quote... |
| 06:42.37 | draktok | "Scri: Trigger Error in 'gt_GameStartTimerExpire_func': Attempted to use a player group loop function, 'PlayerGroupLoopCurrent', without first calling PlayerGroupLoopBeigin/PickEachPlayerInGroup near line 72" |
| 06:42.46 | draktok | I dont' know what it speaks to :o |
| 07:08.48 | temhawk | draktok: sorry, it took so long. I made an example map for you: https://a.uguu.se/srqsdd_UnitPicker.SC2Map |
| 07:11.49 | draktok | This is a good example, i thank you sir |
| 07:12.02 | draktok | I'm working on the next piece, i hope i can dig with these examples, and determine the rest of my triggers solo |
| 07:12.13 | draktok | I think the map will be very enjoyed! |
| 07:12.20 | draktok | I am inspired by "Hero survival J", if you played it |
| 07:12.47 | temhawk | you're welcome. by the way, if you want to disable build time for marauder, reaper and ghost, too, just add these actions: https://www.refheap.com/114170 |
| 07:13.19 | temhawk | nah, haven't played it |
| 07:13.22 | draktok | I find that option for my paladin, he builds instant :) |
| 07:13.56 | draktok | Oh, that's ok - it's a game where you have hero, and just survive with 5 people total. It's very fun, but for me, the goal will to be the same but i hope to bring some love back for these lovely wc3 models we have now, as well as have a difference for the classes a bit more ... |
| 07:14.22 | draktok | I hope you play a paladin, and know exactly what he does, in the hero survival J, the heroes don't necessarily do what you expect the character to do, with your knowledge of sc2 , if that makes sense |
| 07:16.00 | draktok | I am working on a "pick a unit randomly" trigger now, i don't think i will finish tonight, will you be here tomorrow if i can't figure it out? Ty for your example map, i use it |
| 07:17.46 | temhawk | yeah, I'll be here if no one more knowledgeable is there to help you :) I have to go away for a bit now, though |
| 07:17.53 | draktok | me 2 |
| 07:17.55 | draktok | good night my friend |
| 07:20.06 | temhawk | good night |
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| 20:46.59 | Draktok | Hello sc2 mapster ... i miss you , as i work on my new game, i remember how much i love ur help .. .thx for u family |
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| 20:49.50 | Draktok | Repo i will look soon enough, i don't very good at the normal rts though, is it ok? |
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| 21:15.56 | Draktok | temhawk i hope you will know that my map is moving along, for now, it is ugly, but i gain more function every time i learn a new thing |
| 21:16.03 | Draktok | thank you :) |
| 21:16.10 | temhawk | lol ok |
| 21:34.04 | Draktok | Is attakc waves the best trigger to use to make an Ai send it's spawned units to attack players? |
| 21:35.00 | temhawk | sorry, I can't answer that. I've never done any AI triggering |
| 21:35.07 | Draktok | Hehe |
| 21:35.09 | Draktok | I will google |
| 21:36.10 | Draktok | haha! look at this old gem, 16 years ago people ask the same question :) |
| 21:36.11 | Draktok | http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=209764 |
| 21:44.36 | Draktok | is there a way for the game to pick all the units in a unit group in when using the "Unit from Unit group" action |
| 21:44.44 | Draktok | it always wants me to pick which unit, but i just want it to select them all |
| 21:45.34 | temhawk | the "Picked Unit" function gives you the unit inside of a "Pick Each Unit In Unit Group" loop |
| 21:45.47 | Draktok | got it |
| 21:45.48 | Draktok | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.50 | Draktok | i remember now |