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| 01:22.37 | supply | SCII editor just crashed and lost 3 hours of work. the map is still running in the SCII client as test document. is there any way I can still save this? |
| 01:23.09 | pirate | when you test, a temporary map file is created |
| 01:24.40 | pirate | check Starcraft II/Maps/Test |
| 01:26.01 | supply | looks like it's gone |
| 01:27.24 | pirate | odd, normally it saves your last two test instances as EditorTest |
| 01:28.45 | pirate | if you look in your editor preferences, under Test Document, what's the "Copied Document" field say? |
| 01:28.56 | Dustin|Work | yeah it saves an editor test map, if you tested it you have a backup |
| 01:29.41 | Dustin|Work | http://prntscr.com/8m0wb9 |
| 01:30.26 | supply | thanks for the help |
| 01:30.27 | Dustin|Work | Should be in a folder like so http://prntscr.com/8m0wia |
| 01:30.30 | supply | it says Test/EditorTest |
| 01:34.13 | Dustin|Work | Find it? |
| 01:35.02 | supply | no. there's just StarCraft II/Maps/Cache/EditorTest.SC2Map |
| 01:35.15 | supply | it has an old modification date and I cannot open it in the editor |
| 01:35.56 | supply | it's a folder with the contents: 00000000/hardTile.bin |
| 01:39.47 | Dustin|Work | Had you tested your map recently? |
| 01:40.28 | supply | yeah, just right now before it crashed |
| 01:40.55 | pirate | I'd search drive for EditorTest if you havent already |
| 01:42.46 | supply | can't find it.... anywhere |
| 01:45.03 | supply | wait... there's one last hope |
| 01:46.45 | supply | nevermind |
| 01:49.43 | supply | I saved the game, so now I have an .SC2Save file. is that of any use? |
| 01:53.00 | Dustin|Work | nopee |
| 01:53.50 | Dustin|Work | This is why i save to Dropbox, it has like a week of saved historys backups of the file, so everytime I save it's golden, also, Ctrl+S is your best friend |
| 01:54.01 | Dustin|Work | Also you can set the editor to auto save every X minutes |
| 01:59.15 | supply | ohh, I was looking in the wrong "StarCraft II" folder |
| 01:59.26 | pirate | lol |
| 02:02.19 | supply | yeah, I used to do regular backups but I stopped playing for a while and reinstalled SCII and haven't bothered to set it up again, and I thought it was going to be just a quick test and then I added more and more stuff to it and I forgot to save... |
| 02:04.25 | Dustin|Work | hehe I know how that goes |
| 02:04.34 | Dustin|Work | Habit, Ctrl+S before every test |
| 02:07.43 | Dustin|Work | Got my voice actor working on my Rampart lines :D |
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| 08:13.16 | Cap | hey guys o/ |
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| 10:03.28 | supply | pirate, Dustin|Home: thanks a lot for the help yesterday! I would have given up without you. |
| 13:28.52 | Cap | duckies you there / |
| 13:29.28 | Cap | Have a small issue ...hopefully you can help |
| 13:33.00 | duckies | hey there cap |
| 13:33.09 | Cap | you good man ? |
| 13:33.27 | duckies | yes, I am a very good man! |
| 13:33.33 | Cap | listen buds so last night i did my homework |
| 13:33.39 | duckies | hmh |
| 13:33.44 | Cap | lol took me till 2 am this morning ... |
| 13:33.56 | duckies | okay~ |
| 13:34.07 | Cap | made the mistake of trying to copy and paste for the supply part |
| 13:34.34 | Cap | long story short i went over our notes and recreated the supply effect |
| 13:34.59 | Cap | everything is working...except |
| 13:35.35 | Cap | on the mana supply effect once the caster reaches 0 it carries on giving mana to the target |
| 13:35.58 | duckies | yes |
| 13:36.04 | duckies | you'll need to change the validator |
| 13:36.12 | duckies | in persisten effect |
| 13:36.18 | duckies | there is a periodic validator |
| 13:36.27 | Cap | and another small problem is when the target reaches o while caster supplies it disconnects |
| 13:36.28 | duckies | something about "has energy", right? |
| 13:36.40 | Cap | now on the drain part its working fine\ |
| 13:37.14 | Cap | so all as intendet i just dont know where to change the supply part |
| 13:37.22 | duckies | it's all about validation .. |
| 13:37.38 | duckies | you need to change validator from "have energy" to "caster has energy" |
| 13:37.50 | duckies | or however those are spelled |
| 13:38.04 | Cap | ok lemme have a quick look |
| 13:40.12 | Cap | ok under what effect will that be ? prob caster |
| 13:40.52 | Cap | i see ceefect_Validator array+ byt the field is empty |
| 13:41.30 | duckies | god damnit, why are you seeing things in raw view again x_x |
| 13:41.47 | duckies | go create persistent effect |
| 13:41.51 | duckies | its in there |
| 13:41.54 | Cap | in tableview atm |
| 13:42.46 | Cap | aah ok see it |
| 13:43.10 | Cap | on the supply part it says hasEnergy |
| 13:43.36 | duckies | that validator tells the persistent to stop once "Target unit has energy = FALSE" |
| 13:44.25 | duckies | so on what condition you want your supply ability to stop channeling? |
| 13:45.42 | Cap | once the caster has no more energy in stock |
| 13:45.59 | Cap | or to give |
| 13:47.47 | duckies | so you'll want to have 2 validators, one to validate that "Caster unit has energy" and other to validate that "Target unit energy not full" |
| 13:48.10 | Cap | makes sence |
| 13:49.27 | Cap | on the presistent effect it just says Has energy...so i dont know if its caster or target |
| 13:50.09 | duckies | you should have object manager in the bottom left side of the screen |
| 13:50.20 | Cap | do i add those two validators to persistent effect ? |
| 13:50.23 | duckies | when you click on data object, there it shows all linged objects |
| 13:50.54 | duckies | so when you click on your persistent effect, the "has energy" validator should also show up |
| 13:50.59 | duckies | can you see it? |
| 13:51.51 | Cap | nope lemme see |
| 13:54.32 | Cap | ok think im on it |
| 13:55.03 | Cap | validators .....has Energy |
| 13:55.24 | duckies | if you click on it |
| 13:55.27 | Cap | its a field under models |
| 13:55.34 | Cap | i did |
| 13:55.35 | duckies | you can check it's fields and parameters |
| 13:56.00 | duckies | so you can now inspect on what it does |
| 13:56.05 | Cap | yup |
| 13:56.42 | Cap | i clicked on has energy |
| 13:57.22 | Cap | right side of screen it now gives me the details of has energy\ |
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| 13:57.58 | Cap | am i on track ? |
| 13:58.53 | dumpi | so i m stuck ... i got a trigger Unit - Any Unit takes Fatal or Non-Fatal Any damage (from boomgun Damage effects) and it fires |
| 13:59.15 | dumpi | and i got a behavior with damage response and that effect in require effects array |
| 13:59.44 | dumpi | if the effect is in the array it does not apply the damage response if the array is empty it does |
| 14:01.51 | duckies | cap , as you can notice that "Unit+" field is set to "target . so that's how you should know that the validator will validate target unit and not anything else. You can also take a time to ponder on what other fields and numbers do. it's useful to get to know insides |
| 14:02.54 | Cap | ah yea i see it |
| 14:03.20 | duckies | are you sure you used require array and not exclude array dumpi |
| 14:03.35 | Cap | so its saying when target has not enough enery cancell the order |
| 14:03.37 | duckies | it worked for me like intended last time I used those |
| 14:03.59 | dumpi | <RequireEffectArray value="boomgunDamage"/> |
| 14:04.02 | dumpi | pretty sure |
| 14:05.59 | duckies | cap, it that validator returns TRUE if |Target Unit| |Current| |Energy| |Is Greather Than Or Equal To| |1|. And the persistent breaks if the validator does not return true |
| 14:06.25 | duckies | you really should spend some time and try to see how it works .- |
| 14:06.45 | Cap | ok i understand the consept but im not sure about the language |
| 14:06.55 | dumpi | http://pastebin.com/NuHA1bsK |
| 14:07.01 | Cap | so just tell me what i must type in |
| 14:07.03 | Cap | lol |
| 14:07.29 | dumpi | if the array is empty it works as it should and uses the calldown |
| 14:07.34 | dumpi | if its not nothing happens |
| 14:07.51 | Cap | that and i dont know buit i can edit in tableview |
| 14:09.11 | duckies | dumpi, so calldown is used when unit is attacked by those 2 effects, but those effects must also deal melee or spell damage? is that what it says? |
| 14:09.25 | dumpi | yes |
| 14:09.35 | dumpi | what it shoudl do |
| 14:09.45 | duckies | cap you'll need to create a new validator that combines 2 different validators and then put it into the persistent |
| 14:09.56 | Cap | ok |
| 14:10.24 | Cap | so its 1 validator per value |
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| 14:11.52 | dumpi_ | http://pastebin.com/e41J4uxU this is the damage effect boomgun is jsut a copy of it |
| 14:11.57 | Cap | ok im in validators tab ready to make a new one |
| 14:12.35 | Cap | tell you what dumpi il wait till you finished just ping me |
| 14:12.56 | Cap | since im new here |
| 14:13.23 | duckies | idk dumpi_ I just checked how I used the requred aray for effects, seems alike but it works for me :s |
| 14:13.27 | duckies | sorry |
| 14:13.41 | dumpi_ | fml |
| 14:14.09 | duckies | you'll probably need to debug it |
| 14:14.17 | duckies | try it with different effects and stuff |
| 14:14.42 | duckies | worst case scenario - replicate it on a separate map |
| 14:15.03 | duckies | but you usually find out what was causing error somewhere between the process :D |
| 14:15.42 | dumpi_ | so i just cut the require array into the exclude array... now it s woking for the effects but also for all others, require is empty tho so thats kinda expected |
| 14:16.20 | dumpi_ | yea gonna do it on an other map.... |
| 14:17.02 | duckies | why would it work for the effects if they're excluded?D: |
| 14:17.11 | dumpi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.41 | duckies | this just feels like you're adding different but same-named effects x_x |
| 14:21.49 | dumpi_ | woooooow |
| 14:21.53 | dumpi_ | amazing |
| 14:21.57 | dumpi_ | i think i found it |
| 14:22.12 | dumpi_ | its not me misunderstanding how its works it just not working |
| 14:22.40 | duckies | hey |
| 14:22.46 | duckies | you know what I just founf out? |
| 14:23.10 | duckies | caps in effectId matter |
| 14:23.25 | dumpi_ | not it |
| 14:23.25 | dumpi_ | http://pastebin.com/nDyA71aE |
| 14:23.36 | duckies | so, <CEffectDamage id="CannonDamage"> and <RequireEffectArray value="cannonDamage"/> are two different effects o_o |
| 14:23.39 | dumpi_ | first one is detected, second one isnt |
| 14:24.45 | dumpi_ | soooo fml it wont work for splash damage |
| 14:25.04 | duckies | cool :D |
| 14:25.18 | dumpi_ | mhhh |
| 14:25.43 | dumpi_ | so next question is do validators damaging effect= XY work |
| 14:27.49 | dumpi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.08 | dumpi_ | anyone got an idea on how to do it? |
| 14:37.08 | duckies | I suppose you wouldn't be up to remaking all your splash damages to use search area+damage instead ;_; |
| 14:37.49 | duckies | lol, this is so stupid that it ignores splash damage.. |
| 14:38.56 | Cap | duckies i cant find target is not full validator |
| 14:40.35 | duckies | it's called "Energy Not Full" |
| 14:40.37 | Cap | closest is Target Energy GE70 |
| 14:41.10 | duckies | I found it by inputing "energy" into search box and looking at all things that popped out :D |
| 14:41.12 | Cap | ok got it |
| 14:41.46 | Cap | cvalidator cobine ....I have added the two validators |
| 14:42.15 | duckies | also do note |
| 14:42.21 | Cap | caster has energy and Energy not full |
| 14:43.11 | duckies | take notice on comnine validators "Type" field |
| 14:43.32 | duckies | you'll probably want it to be set to "at" :D |
| 14:43.41 | duckies | *And |
| 14:45.49 | Cap | what should be at "CValidator ResultFailded" ? |
| 14:47.01 | duckies | I think its the field that's responsible for error messages? |
| 14:47.25 | Cap | ok |
| 14:47.46 | duckies | .. |
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| 14:47.53 | duckies | it even says so in the tooltip x_x |
| 14:47.56 | dumpi | well did i get an any suggestions? i diconneced :( |
| 14:48.17 | duckies | [17:37] <duckies> I suppose you wouldn't be up to remaking all your splash damages to use search area+damage instead ;_; |
| 14:48.46 | dumpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.51 | duckies | maybe make their attack apply a behavior or a special individual damage effect that ist traceable |
| 14:48.57 | duckies | *is |
| 14:50.35 | duckies | like .. it deals splash damage but also launches a search effect dealing "SplashDummyDamage" in splashes radius |
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| 14:50.47 | duckies | then you can detect that throug damage response |
| 14:50.52 | duckies | other than that idk |
| 14:51.04 | duckies | maybe jademus here knows better :D |
| 14:51.09 | duckies | so ask him :3 |
| 14:51.29 | dumpi | Jademus_Sreg Jademus_Sreg Jademus_Sreg i summon thee |
| 14:53.59 | dumpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.15 | dumpi | oh u gotta be kidding :/ |
| 14:54.15 | duckies | he disconnected x_x |
| 14:55.08 | duckies | speaking of disconnecting.. |
| 14:55.40 | dumpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.49 | dumpi | Jademus_Sreg i summon thee |
| 14:58.00 | dumpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.03 | dumpi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.52 | dumpi | why does http://pastebin.com/nW91fp3L this behavior not trigger from the edited marine damage but from the psiblades, it also triggers if i dont change the marine damage to area |
| 15:01.58 | dumpi | Jademus |
| 15:02.17 | dumpi | so how do i need to configure it to make it work if that is possible at all |
| 15:13.12 | dumpi | Jademus u here? |
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| 15:17.51 | dumpi | guess noone can help me then |
| 16:53.43 | Ashamed | booooom shakka vakka bakkka |
| 17:06.16 | Cap | \o/ |
| 17:06.44 | Cap | it works |
| 18:08.43 | Ashamed | W00t |
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| 18:51.53 | pirate | ahoy |
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| 19:37.12 | Dustin|Work | Hola senioritas |
| 19:43.26 | Ashamed | Shup |
| 19:43.37 | Dustin|Work | just getting some work done |
| 19:43.54 | Ashamed | Yeah I lub php -.- |
| 19:48.40 | Dustin|Work | Yisss |
| 19:53.56 | Dustin|Work | Ashamed, do you know if it's possible to hide a unit for a specific player |
| 19:54.03 | Dustin|Work | I thought I remember like Renee had a way or something |
| 20:01.48 | Repo | New experimental map: Star Trek: Galactic Conquest (UNFINISHED, UNLOCKED) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/star-trek-galactic-conquest-unfi/ |
| 20:16.43 | Ashamed | I looked into it.. the only way I could even think of it as possable is through actors |
| 20:18.25 | Ashamed | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2191101410 |
| 20:18.30 | Ashamed | seems like a method there but very hacky |
| 20:19.27 | Ashamed | oh that is renee |
| 20:19.28 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:19.29 | Ashamed | LOL |
| 20:19.58 | Ashamed | So that must be the method you were talking about :P there you go |
| 20:31.03 | Dustin|Work | I found a way, but I gotta use a different unit per player |
| 20:32.20 | Ashamed | how? |
| 20:32.25 | Ashamed | I want to see this! |
| 20:32.27 | Ashamed | is it easy? |
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| 21:27.04 | Dustin|Work | There's a field on the unit's actor called Filter Players |
| 21:27.09 | Dustin|Work | You can check which players can't see it |
| 21:27.30 | ArcanePariah | And ironically, Void make this all much easier |
| 21:27.33 | Dustin|Work | so if I have a grid unit for each player, i can dynamically set it so only each player can see their own grid units |
| 21:27.45 | Dustin|Work | of course it does lol |
| 21:27.48 | Dustin|Work | Jerks! |
| 21:27.50 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 21:28.22 | ArcanePariah | You can apply Model Aspects, which check aspects, also, aspects can run off Player labels, which are applied to players in triggers. |
| 21:28.31 | ArcanePariah | So think Flyer Helper trick, without the trick part |
| 21:31.16 | Dustin|Work | Oh thats nicee |
| 21:32.51 | ArcanePariah | Let me round up the relevant strings, to give you an idea. |
| 21:39.06 | Ashamed | SO it seems like void is what we have been waiting for since sc2 beta! |
| 21:39.06 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:39.18 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/w4mjy |
| 21:39.38 | ArcanePariah | Key thing is the 3rd block, its one line, but explains a great deal what Model Aspects are about. |
| 21:39.56 | ArcanePariah | Model Aspects are a seperate data type entirely |
| 21:40.28 | ArcanePariah | As you can see, you have plenty of options |
| 21:40.46 | ArcanePariah | Model can be altered for almost any weird combination you can think of |
| 21:41.03 | Ashamed | My thing is CPR is really important to know and to know and it saves life's, then why do you charge money for people to learn it... riddle me that america... I don't understand people like this >< |
| 21:41.40 | Ashamed | Stalin tried this.... millions of people died... end of story |
| 21:41.47 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:43.07 | ArcanePariah | For better or worse, we Americans rather the collective suffer then suppress an individual. Usually we struggle with the inevitable issue of said individual turning around and suppressing the collective. It is Tragedy of the Commons writ large |
| 22:23.59 | supply | has this always been in the editor? http://i.imgur.com/hEQ1Idj.png I don't remember seeing this a few years ago. it's so easy to change stuff now |
| 22:24.16 | Dustin|Work | Yup |
| 23:17.58 | Repo | New map: Star Trek: Galactic Conquest (UNFINISHED, UNLOCKED) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/star-trek-galactic-conquest-unfi/ |
| 23:44.46 | Dustin|Work | Damn, making some good progress today |
