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17:17.51Dustin|Homepoww
17:18.03JademusSregPewp.
17:18.17Dustin|Homesup jade my man
17:18.36JademusSregHallo Dustin. Didn't I just see you on skype? =D
17:18.45Dustin|Homeyap :D
17:18.47ArcanePariahHallo everyone
17:18.52ArcanePariahI live
17:18.56ArcanePariah(I think?)
17:19.04Dustin|Homedidnt know you were nick griffin :p
17:19.11ArcanePariahTIL :P
17:19.27JademusSregHahaha
17:19.58ArcanePariahSo gentlemen, shall we plot to take over the modding world? (Early int he morning for me, maybe I should start drinking coffee...)
17:20.28ArcanePariahApparently DotA 2 reborn is now out of beta nad thus their customs are officially part of the game
17:20.52JademusSregI've got a cold, so besides helping that person and working on SCs stuff, and working on a logo for Bounty, I'm pretty much decimated.
17:21.00ArcanePariahI'm rather curious to see how Valve handles some of the things they took on (Dedicated servers is going to be costly...)
17:21.19ArcanePariahAlso, I give it.... a couple months before people with bots control the open games list
17:21.51JademusSregAnd Dustin, I'm surprised you didn't recognize my diction and cryptic regard for discourse. =D
17:22.16JademusSreg"Peope with bots" Don't forget bots with bots.
17:23.44Dustin|Homelol I kinda picked up on it before I saw you joined IRC
17:26.16JademusSregHah
17:26.35BountyFuck flu season
17:26.41BountyThat is all
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17:27.30JademusSregHallo wayward.
17:27.39ArcanePariah:P
17:27.40waywardhey jademus!
17:27.44waywardthanks for the invite
17:28.02Dustin|Homehola
17:28.05ArcanePariahWelcome, we hear you want to do some interesting things in the editor?
17:28.10JademusSregNo problem. This channels been around for a few years, doesn't get much attention except for those who seek us out. =D
17:28.22waywardwell, some simple stuff and some stuff that might be a little more complicated
17:28.31waywardI'm pretty new with the editor
17:28.47JademusSregGot experience with other editors?
17:29.00JademusSregHelps us know your frame of references, makes it easier to explain things.
17:29.10waywardnothing recent, I dabbled with WarCraft 3 and StarCraft editors years ago
17:29.28JademusSregGood, that's quite applicable.
17:29.32waywardI've been able to create custom factions with their own match start behavior
17:29.38waywardcopy units and change stats, add abilities
17:30.00waywardI can get around with Doodads and the terrain tools
17:30.07waywardsome of the lighting stuff is a little beyond me
17:30.48waywardOne of the things I'm having trouble with is getting the siege tank to use the Archon's attack actor
17:30.50JademusSregUsually I'd focus on helping new users with best practices, but seems you're more in need of how-to approach to implementing stuff?
17:31.43JademusSregGot the data editor open?
17:31.48waywardyup
17:31.56JademusSregUnits tab.
17:32.07waywardok
17:32.32JademusSregIs this tank mode or sieges mode?
17:32.37JademusSreg*sieged
17:32.59waywardtank mode
17:33.11Bounty@ waywarrd
17:33.16Bountyhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/p2hvpt71klx0pyh/Screenshot%202015-09-10%2012.59.16.png?dl=0
17:33.20BountyI think thats what you needed to change
17:33.35JademusSregYep
17:33.38waywardthis unit will basically be a Marauder using the Siege tank model with the Archon attack anim
17:34.07BountyYeah, just go to that tab I show in the image
17:34.12waywardah ok
17:34.13Bountyremove the siege tanks weapon and add the archon
17:34.34waywardok easy enough thanks
17:34.40JademusSreg=D
17:34.44waywardI'll give it a shot and report back
17:35.00Bountynp, we directed you here because usually people have more questions after easy ones like this >.<
17:35.24waywardyeah
17:35.37ArcanePariahOne thing to keep in mind with the editor. It is very very modular. You can mix and match stuff entirely at will. The upside is that you can do some pretty weird stuff (a weapon that just sucks enemies towards you for instance), but the downside is that you have to learn more to begin with.
17:35.38waywardif you want an idea for what I'm planning http://waywardstrategist.com/2015/09/09/remnants-starcraft-2-mod-update-constructors-units-tier-1/
17:36.10waywardwhich I'm 100% fine with! :D
17:36.16ArcanePariahMy own game had a working Gravity Gun, was fun and abusive as hell :)
17:36.35waywardI just figure asking people who already know and can point me in the right direction is quicker than fumbling around myself like an idiot :p
17:36.47BountyDefinitely lol
17:36.54JademusSregThat's precisely what we do here. =D
17:36.58waywardfor the, ah, more advanced requests... http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/melee/83324-trying-to-create-a-system-for-my-mod-looking-for-some/#p3
17:37.04BountyWord of caution though, advice can be very slow in here sometimes
17:37.10ArcanePariahYes and no. We can provide you direction and explaination, but stumbling around can teach you many things.
17:37.42JademusSregAdvice here isn't slow, but rather more like combat. Long boring periods of waiting, punctuated by periods of frenzied activity.
17:37.59BountyYeah, slow
17:38.01Bounty=P
17:38.02Dustin|HomeIm usually around in the evening most days and monitor the channel pretty frequently
17:38.08waywardwell I
17:38.13waywardwill add this to my favorites
17:38.23wayward:D
17:38.27Dustin|Home:D
17:39.39JademusSregWe each have our quirks and areas of focus. I personally lack patience for step-by-step instruction and instead explain how shit works and leave it up to the user to implement.
17:39.52JademusSregOr I make/link a demonstration map.
17:39.55BountySo, Dustin... I'm trying to come up with some random events for Doodad Hunt 2
17:40.05BountyBecause I learned last night how boring and random the game can be
17:40.15Dustin|HomeYeah, if you have any trigger problems, I can answer those super quick
17:40.18BountyAny ideas/suggestions? :)
17:40.24Dustin|HomeHmmm intersting Bounty
17:40.26Dustin|HomeLet me play it first
17:40.34Dustin|HomeSo I can see what its all like :)
17:40.47Bountywell its playable now, would just need people
17:40.48Bountyhaha
17:40.55Dustin|HomeYou heard the man, let'
17:40.57Dustin|Homes do this
17:42.03JademusSregbrb
17:42.09JademusSregThen I'll test.
17:44.50waywardso if I wanted to make an attack single target but apply an effect in an area, how would I do that?
17:45.11waywardI see the Marauder Slow behavior but want to apply that in a small radius around the unit attacked
17:45.30Dustin|HomeHave your weapon instead of performing a Damage effect, apply a SET effect, inside the set effect you can string together several effects
17:45.45Dustin|HomeSo add the normal Dmg effect to it, and then a new effect that triggers an AOE effect
17:45.51waywardI kind of figured out how to make the Hellbat single target by accident and can't duplicate it
17:46.02waywardah ok
17:46.07waywardand I'd do this from the weapon
17:46.12waywardadd a set effect
17:46.19waywardlet me see if i can do it based on that info
17:46.21waywardthanks :D
17:46.22Dustin|Homeyupp
17:46.25Dustin|Homenp!
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18:10.32waywardok well
18:10.37waywardit seemed to work
18:10.43waywardI'll have to test more later
18:10.57waywardone thing I noticed is the turret didn't move to face the enemy unit
18:11.00waywardwhen it attacked
18:11.17waywardand right now I have the Siege tank shooting Marauder shells
18:13.59waywardhm the turret seemed to have been removed. that's been fixed
18:14.03waywardlet's see now
18:46.46Dustin|HomeCOme play Bountys map with us :D
19:07.47Dustin|HomeGreat stuff!
19:08.03Bounty>.<
19:08.13BountyShould be better with 3 minute rounds + events
19:08.18Bountywill be crazy
19:08.20Bountylol
19:08.54Dustin|HomeOh ya, will be so awesome with events
19:09.35Bountyand more players would help as well
19:09.38Bountyhaha
19:09.43Dustin|Homeya lol
19:10.44JademusSregWoo.
19:11.05Dustin|HomeSO about the randomized doodads, you dont need all of them random, just put some points down, and have a script that grabs a random model string and then make doodad there, would add enough spice to the map and wouldnt be too hard
19:11.21JademusSregYeah.
19:11.54BountyYeah, that is what I was thinking if I do it
19:11.55JademusSregAlso, Bounty Arcade. Make it like Doodad Hunt 2, like the interface and all that, applied to your other games.
19:12.17BountyThe whole hearthstone thing?
19:12.38BountyWell, if I win the contest, we'll see about the whole "Bounty Arcade" thing
19:12.40Bountyhaha
19:12.50JademusSregYeah, exact same stuff you're doing for DH2, especially score calculation, alternating roles, stuff.
19:15.53Dustin|HomeI think im gonna stick to redoing Rampart for the contest
19:16.01Dustin|HomeJust need to get 3dsmax installed so I can make my walls
19:16.11JademusSregYes.
19:16.23JademusSregOr.
19:16.26JademusSregI can assist.
19:16.43Dustin|HomeYeah I was gonna ask if you had any ideas on how to do the wall placement
19:17.07Dustin|Homehttp://prntscr.com/8euypm
19:17.31JademusSregProjects I'm currently on necessitated I learn some modeling, so I can do some basic stuff. Not up to IK rigging, yet, but short of that, I can probably help.
19:17.37Dustin|HomeI was just gonna use burrows and make all the shapes myself in game but can't find a good way to allow placement for the shapes unless I make a new unit with a specific model in that shape
19:17.59Dustin|Homebasically it's just copy pasting wall segments to make testris shapes
19:18.03JademusSregQuads.
19:18.20JademusSregActor quads have that kind of tiling model functionality.
19:18.29Dustin|HomeOhhh interesting
19:18.35JademusSregWhile they are used for targeting splats in Swarm, they can do so much more.
19:19.05JademusSregBut if you don't feel like going ass deep into the actors, you can use Twod's method.
19:19.34JademusSregWhich involves checking if a wall is adjacent and setting its model accordingly.
19:19.51Dustin|HomeWell see the problem with that is
19:20.03Dustin|HomeWhen you place your piece, I need to be able to check pathing and show the models placement
19:20.20Dustin|HomeSo it has to be setup that I can show the model piece before placement of the actual model
19:20.53JademusSregYeah, and does this involve building sections between two points or is it just normal placement?
19:21.09JademusSregOh, and to clarify, I know nothing of your map's mechanics.
19:21.57Dustin|HomeNormal placment
19:22.00Dustin|HomeNever played Rampart?
19:22.02Dustin|HomeHold on
19:22.05JademusSregNerp.
19:22.43Dustin|Homehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsOnvmrszSI
19:24.27JademusSregYou wanna use different models for placement vs gameplay or is this just about the wall sections connecting visually?
19:25.33Dustin|HomeSame models, think of it like, you are being forced to build a structure with the unit,
19:25.45Dustin|HomeSo you have to place the piece where it will fit
19:26.10JademusSregSo you want to use the same model for all sections?
19:26.22Dustin|HomeYes
19:26.26Dustin|HomeSeems easiest
19:26.55JademusSregWell, it won't do diagonals very well, but otherwise sounds simple enough.
19:27.10JademusSregIn fact, I have a hilarious idea of how best to do it.
19:28.31JademusSregBut it may or may not be what you want, so are there any specific qualities? Does it need to be kitbashed from some other model?
19:29.24Dustin|HomeNope, just need to be able to create and place some premade shapes
19:30.41JademusSregCan you explain the "shapes" part? Tetris-like placement of prefab sections as shown in that screenshot?
19:31.34Dustin|HomeYup exactly
19:31.48Dustin|HomeIt's like Tetris, you get a random shap and have to palce it somewhere
19:32.19JademusSregBecause right now it seems you want either a model for each unique shape (doable) or a generic square section that will be arranged as such.
19:33.39JademusSregI can prototype either one for you, but I suspect you want the latter.
19:33.43Dustin|HomeYeah, just anyway to easliy create a bunch of shapes
19:33.48JademusSregkk
19:33.57JademusSreglaunches 3dsmax
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20:07.16Dustin|Homeoh man finally fgot 3dsmax installed lol
20:07.26Dustin|HomeHavent used this since like 2006
20:08.16JademusSreghttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/SimpleWallBlock.m3
20:08.19JademusSregHAha
20:08.52JademusSregFirst iteration.
20:08.56Dustin|Homeprobably need to hookup the art tools
20:09.19JademusSregIn SC2 units, the base is 1.2, the top is 1.0.
20:09.44JademusSregFirst iteration simply adopts the terrain texture.
20:14.09Dustin|HomeDo you have the current working m3 importers/exporters?
20:14.31Dustin|Homehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/files/34-m3-plugins-v2-2/
20:14.35Dustin|HomeThese dont seem to work
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20:31.04Kazimirhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1163241/Terrain%20002.jpg
20:31.38KazimirThe red clay is bothering me.
20:47.23JademusSreghttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/WallBlock.7z
20:47.41JademusSregDustin, yeah, I'm using TaylorMouse's, but even that's pretty broken.
20:48.03JademusSregKaz, yeah, that looks painful.
20:48.43JademusSregDustin, that archive includes the source max file, the two models, and the demo texture.
20:49.20Dustin|Homesweet
20:49.41JademusSregTriplanarWallBlock has the advantage that the top side will layer perfectly with other tops, and sides with other sides, without noticable z fighting.
20:50.20JademusSregBut for optimal impact, you'll want to use a different texture for the top, as it currently uses the same texture for top and sides.
21:03.39Dustin|Homehmmm
21:03.56Dustin|HomeThis will be good, I could probably just copy past export a model for each shape
21:04.02Dustin|HomeThen make a new unit for each one
21:18.32Dustin|Homebah fucking 3dsmax, wont let me scale this
21:19.38waywardso gents
21:19.55waywardI got the Siege tank unit to shoot the Archon actor
21:19.59waywardwith no aoe splash
21:20.03waywardand aoe slow
21:20.04waywardbut
21:20.09waywardthe turret doesn't move
21:20.10waywardat all
21:20.21waywardthe turret behavior is attached to the unit
21:20.22waywardthoughts?
21:27.09Dustin|HomeUgh, Jade, I got the importer working but I can't export
21:27.13Dustin|HomeDo you have an exporter?
21:27.13ArcanePariahSo the siege tank is using the archon weapon, correct? If so, go into the Siege Tank, scroll down to weapons, and change the turret on the weapon to the Siege tank one
21:27.39ArcanePariahYou will see for a weapon, you can select a turret for it to use
21:28.02Dustin|HomeOr bounty
21:28.08Dustin|HomeI know you gotta have one
21:38.52waywardso what i did is i applied a set effect to a copy of the siege tank weapon which included the Archon damage ability and Marauder slow
21:39.01waywardI don't see a turret field in the weapon object
21:39.21ArcanePariahThe turret is assigned on the unit itself
21:39.26ArcanePariahWhere you gave the unit the weapon
21:40.05waywardyes the siege tank turret is assigned to the unit
21:55.46JademusSregBack.
21:56.38JademusSregDustin, the sc2 art tools? Has the Exporter Floater, has Export, Commit and Preview options.
21:58.27Dustin|Homeoh nice
22:03.10JademusSregIs Arc helping wayward or is the issue still open?
22:09.19waywardI'm still looking at it
22:09.33waywardit looks like the siege tank only moves its turret when it attacks
22:09.46waywardthe siege tank doesn't have a turret object in it's combat: turret + field
22:09.51waywardit's applied somewhere else
22:09.53waywardi guess
22:09.57waywardhaven't found it yet
22:13.00waywardok i applied the siege tank turret to the weapon
22:13.04waywardwe'll see what happens
22:15.19waywardgot it
22:15.21waywardthat was it
22:15.23waywardawesome
22:15.26waywardthanks arcane
22:16.10waywardhere's a question
22:16.20waywardwhen incorporating delays into an attack
22:16.31waywardis it better to use period, reload, backswing, what?
22:16.43waywardthey all essentially just add in delays right?
22:18.00JademusSregAt different stages, yeah.
22:19.21waywardalternately/better. I want to have a unit that charges for 5-7 seconds then kills itself to take over another unit
22:19.31JademusSregCool.
22:19.36waywardyeah!
22:19.39Dustin|Homeawesome, got 3ds max working
22:19.41JademusSregCreate Persistent effect.
22:19.44Dustin|HomeI can now do some work on this problem
22:19.48JademusSregWoo, Dustin.
22:19.56waywardI want to build in the delay to allow units to get out of its range
22:20.17waywardso that you have to use it in conjunction with slow/stun units to take over the enemy
22:20.28waywardor if your opponent refuses to micro away/kite
22:21.06JademusSregCreate Persistent has a lot of different duration fields. Sounds like you'd want Create Persistent with a periodic validator to checl if the target is in range and a period duration + period count that results in the channel time.
22:21.16JademusSregAnd the Channeled flag on the effect.
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22:22.32JademusSregAnd an Expire Effect that applies a Set effect with a Modify Unit effect to modify the target unit's owner and another effect to kill the caster.
22:22.33JademusSregbrb
22:23.01waywardok cool
22:23.06waywardthat seems pretty straightforward
22:23.14waywardhow do I add actors to different actions/
22:23.29waywardmy hellbat unit is a harvester and it stands there like a dumbass while harvesting
22:23.40waywardi'd like for it to do SOMETHING
22:23.47waywardat least have an effect play in front of it
22:30.47Dustin|Homehttp://prntscr.com/8exdmv
22:30.53Dustin|HomeGot all my pieces planned out
22:31.04Dustin|Homenow to make this wall into full pieces
22:41.33Dustin|Homewayward
22:41.58Dustin|HomeYou can make a new actor that gets created when a unit does something via actor messages
22:42.12Dustin|HomeOr you can hardcode an actor message to play an animation
23:19.15Dustin|Homehttp://prntscr.com/8exu84
23:19.17Dustin|HomeAlrightttt
23:49.38Dustin|HomePERFECT

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