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| 09:55.10 | Rhavon | hm still having problems with alerts in my game. I went into the alerts tab and changed all the "your base is under attack, ally under attack" trying to make them less frequent |
| 09:55.37 | Rhavon | I think it detracts from the game having so many alerts pile up |
| 09:59.36 | duckies | alerts I don't have much experience either >_> |
| 10:00.05 | duckies | oh, btw |
| 10:01.04 | duckies | I thin kthat majority of people play sc2 with sounds off. So all those sound announcements you make in the map that are without subtitles - for the most part are wasted :< |
| 10:02.08 | duckies | and I'm saying it because it would help me a bunch if there was a subtitle or a pop-up when the worm spawns :D |
| 10:02.36 | duckies | but it's not a priority, I can understand if it never makes into the game |
| 10:08.09 | Rhavon | nah I want to def make it so people know |
| 10:08.20 | Rhavon | so adding a text is probably a good idea |
| 10:09.17 | Rhavon | I changed the alerts to only activate 1 every 90 seconds within 100 area and I'm still getting spammed by under attack messages so I guess its still not changing the core ones used standardly |
| 10:25.35 | duckies | yeah, I remember there was a place to setup them globally but I don't remember where it was |
| 10:25.54 | duckies | it's somewhere on mapster |
| 10:31.45 | Rhavon | I spent a while searching mapster for it. I spend a lot of time digging in the threads for problems im having |
| 11:04.47 | Dalruin | What map is yours Rhavon? |
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| 12:19.45 | Rhavon | Honey Badger Mercenary Company |
| 12:19.58 | Rhavon | It still needs a ton of work |
| 12:20.05 | Rhavon | Lots of stuff I don't know how to do yet |
| 12:20.31 | Rhavon | I need help doing some of the stuff I want to do |
| 12:25.51 | duckies | something other than alerts? |
| 12:41.08 | Rhavon | oh ya theres always something |
| 12:41.19 | Rhavon | sorry I was running a match |
| 12:42.13 | Rhavon | I need to add a bunch more waves |
| 12:42.24 | Rhavon | I think the way I'm doing it now is pretty brute force but it works |
| 12:46.24 | Rhavon | something right now is allowing other players I think to spend people's resources |
| 12:46.42 | Rhavon | Ive been watching my resources climb up then take pretty large hits |
| 12:54.22 | Rhavon | need to make a trigger so that if a player doesnt have any SCVs or a building it will call one down for them in the center |
| 12:55.05 | Rhavon | Or I can have them be defeaeted |
| 12:55.10 | Rhavon | defeated |
| 12:57.49 | Rhavon | not sure how to exactly write that |
| 13:00.41 | Rhavon | periodic event. pick each player on team 1. if then. Then I need it to say if picked player doesn't have an scv alive or either starter building > end game in defeat |
| 13:05.15 | Rhavon | triggers = death of meh |
| 13:18.27 | Rhavon | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3638 |
| 13:18.34 | Rhavon | I think this is how to do it |
| 13:21.09 | duckies | yeah, looks good |
| 13:21.28 | duckies | also, does it cost terrazine to repair hero scv? |
| 13:22.44 | Rhavon | eww probably |
| 13:23.02 | Rhavon | I just have it set to normal repair type I think |
| 13:23.44 | Rhavon | you know, I could def use help tackling this project. I just want to make a fun simple game I would enjoy playing with a few objectives. Having some help would be nice |
| 13:28.18 | Rhavon | all I see is repair time. I don't see an option for repair costs |
| 13:39.57 | duckies | Rhavon |
| 13:40.04 | Rhavon | alright I changed that under the effect |
| 13:40.06 | Rhavon | for the scv |
| 13:40.08 | duckies | Check "Cost+" |
| 13:40.14 | duckies | oh |
| 13:40.21 | duckies | wel nvm then :D |
| 13:40.25 | Rhavon | its determined by the scv repair ability effect cost |
| 13:40.43 | Rhavon | which is 25% of the value of the repair |
| 13:40.43 | duckies | ok then |
| 13:41.08 | Rhavon | just took out all the resources except minerals |
| 13:41.43 | duckies | so what, you no longer need vespene to repair main building you need to defend? ;D |
| 13:41.55 | Rhavon | thanks for bringing that up. Something I wouldn't have considered |
| 13:42.13 | Rhavon | you need vespene to escape :) |
| 13:42.23 | Rhavon | thats the idea anways |
| 13:43.00 | duckies | well, worth a shot to try it out |
| 13:43.38 | Rhavon | I'm working on (trying to figure out) how I want the terrazine to work. I was going to do an escort mission but now Im favoring collection. People have to send SCV to the mines area and harvest it somehow and return their scv to their start building to collect |
| 13:44.21 | duckies | what would terrazine be used for? |
| 13:44.30 | Rhavon | its used to buy upgrades |
| 13:44.41 | Rhavon | right now I have it dropping from the boss minions in waves |
| 13:44.49 | duckies | ooh |
| 13:44.51 | duckies | that |
| 13:44.54 | duckies | oh od |
| 13:44.57 | duckies | *god |
| 13:45.11 | duckies | rip my essential bunker upgrades t_t |
| 13:45.19 | Rhavon | so players are short on terrazine for most of the game. They have to make decisions on where they want to specialize |
| 13:45.55 | Rhavon | ya but the terrazine is easy to get. just takes time |
| 13:46.08 | Rhavon | whens the last time you tried out my map? |
| 13:46.19 | duckies | yeah, right now I just go defense firs and then get assault for 100 extra supply, since I'm never lacking any resource past 1st 6 minutes of game |
| 13:46.24 | duckies | hm |
| 13:46.26 | duckies | 1 day ago |
| 13:46.39 | Rhavon | okay not much has changed lol |
| 13:47.10 | Rhavon | for some reason I was having issues with chunks of my resources vanishing |
| 13:47.54 | Rhavon | and not just from repairs. like I would have 350 minerals pretty much vanish on me right before I would go to build something |
| 13:48.02 | duckies | something something shared spending? |
| 13:48.27 | Rhavon | and I just took out the ghost terrazine from that sneaky player 12. sharing his resources with everyone |
| 13:49.06 | Rhavon | yeah I think I just fixed it. |
| 13:50.37 | Rhavon | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3639 |
| 13:51.11 | Rhavon | think this is actually going to cause problems though |
| 13:51.22 | Rhavon | because of the shield upgrade wont be purchasable |
| 13:52.55 | duckies | why would there be a problem? |
| 13:53.08 | Rhavon | ya |
| 13:53.25 | Rhavon | so player 12 has a building upgrade for the shields |
| 13:53.29 | Rhavon | at the generator |
| 13:53.42 | Rhavon | if you don't have shared resources on I can't pay to upgrade the shields |
| 13:54.29 | duckies | so enable that alliance aspect for him? |
| 13:54.57 | duckies | make players from team 1 treat p 12 as ally with stuff and shared spending? |
| 13:55.37 | Rhavon | yeah its gotta be a 1 way alliance I think. just setting alliance with shared spending was my problem because other players were pulling my resources through player 12 I think |
| 13:55.56 | duckies | but there is a trigger action for exactly that |
| 13:56.06 | duckies | 1 way alliance settings! :D |
| 13:56.37 | duckies | oh |
| 13:56.45 | duckies | you were talking exactly about that .-. |
| 13:58.07 | Rhavon | lol |
| 14:02.25 | Rhavon | sweet it works now |
| 14:02.47 | Rhavon | what kind of game have you been working on? |
| 14:07.48 | duckies | right now making a hero ffa map, started yesterday tho |
| 14:08.10 | duckies | hope I'll be able to make it work in time for rtc v_v |
| 14:09.11 | duckies | but I just finished another map called neostar, so at least I'm not rusty |
| 14:09.31 | Rhavon | nice |
| 14:09.44 | Rhavon | is it fantasy themed? |
| 14:09.50 | Rhavon | I know thats what they are looking for right? |
| 14:10.14 | Rhavon | is Neostar on the arcade? |
| 14:10.23 | duckies | neostar is sci-fi tho |
| 14:10.48 | duckies | and yea, "neostar rpg" is on b-net |
| 14:11.01 | duckies | it's a really harsh hero roamer/survival |
| 14:11.04 | Rhavon | cool. how many players? |
| 14:11.10 | duckies | up to 4 players |
| 14:11.21 | Rhavon | wanna play a match? |
| 14:11.25 | Rhavon | I would like to check it out |
| 14:11.33 | duckies | I'm at work now *_* |
| 14:11.41 | duckies | maybe in 2 hours when I get home |
| 14:12.27 | duckies | well, it's really hit or miss. so you might want to try it solo firs, to see wheither it's something you'd play |
| 14:13.01 | Rhavon | I'll give it a shot |
| 14:13.38 | Rhavon | Not sure if my game would qualify for RTC |
| 14:13.55 | duckies | it's as sci0fi as it gets x_x |
| 14:14.41 | duckies | and they really emphasized that they want high fantasy |
| 14:14.58 | Rhavon | yeah |
| 14:15.10 | Rhavon | I have an idea but I don't want to build another game solo |
| 14:15.49 | duckies | solo gamedev sure is timeconsuming |
| 14:16.02 | Rhavon | yeah |
| 14:16.03 | duckies | thing I thought would take me 2 months took me 8 |
| 14:16.09 | duckies | v_v |
| 14:16.18 | Rhavon | I thought it would take me a couple of days to make this |
| 14:17.33 | Rhavon | I think a pac man style game set to high fantasy would be cool. just run your guy around picking shit up vs other players. you can cap towers and other non sense to slow down the bad guy from getting you. |
| 14:17.48 | Rhavon | if you run out of lives you go to observer mode. small respawn timer |
| 14:18.12 | duckies | that could be neat |
| 14:18.23 | Rhavon | and if you get the powerup your peon goes bezerk mode and can defeat the bad guy (like an arthus or whatever) |
| 14:19.05 | Rhavon | so capturing watch towers gives you vision over like 25% of the map but the bad guy can take them back |
| 14:19.28 | Rhavon | and if you run out of lives you become a bad guy (like the ghost in pac man) |
| 14:19.40 | Rhavon | bad guys can always respawn |
| 14:20.09 | Rhavon | game ends whenever a player reaches a certain score or the bad guys capture all the players |
| 14:20.27 | Rhavon | you could have tons of different maps |
| 14:21.14 | Rhavon | there's really no attacks. just the 1 basic one where the bad guys kill you and your buffed up version when you can beat the bad guy |
| 14:21.58 | Rhavon | so pretty much a competitive pac man |
| 14:22.49 | Rhavon | and random buffs dropped around like speed boosts and whatever so you can run away |
| 14:23.29 | Rhavon | alrighty I'm gonna load up your game and give it a go |
| 14:24.19 | duckies | flips a coin |
| 14:27.06 | Rhavon | oooo |
| 14:27.25 | Rhavon | whats that dragon unit model? I saw it in another game and I want to use it for one of my boss runs |
| 14:28.41 | duckies | what, how did you already see the dragon? |
| 14:29.08 | duckies | :0 |
| 14:47.01 | Rhavon | the screenshots |
| 14:47.12 | Rhavon | btw its hard... |
| 14:47.44 | duckies | ooh |
| 14:47.51 | duckies | dragons den |
| 14:47.58 | duckies | it's the primal hive |
| 14:48.00 | Rhavon | theres a monster looking guy |
| 14:48.10 | Rhavon | big bulky dude |
| 14:48.18 | duckies | yup, primal hive |
| 14:48.20 | duckies | from hots |
| 14:48.24 | duckies | zerus missions |
| 14:48.29 | Rhavon | ah gotcha |
| 14:48.35 | Rhavon | is it a moving unit? |
| 14:48.46 | duckies | it has bot burrowed and moving states |
| 14:48.50 | duckies | *both |
| 14:49.12 | Rhavon | okay cool |
| 14:50.27 | duckies | time to go home, brb in an hour or two |
| 14:50.31 | Rhavon | I'm gonna take off the ground attack on the missile turret |
| 14:50.32 | duckies | afks |
| 14:50.39 | Rhavon | okay |
| 15:58.44 | Rhavon | ooops might have done the upgrade for a single unit wrong |
| 16:44.16 | Rhavon | anyone available? |
| 16:44.19 | duckies | y |
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| 16:50.09 | Rhavon | so I'm trying to make an upgrade to the turrets |
| 16:50.09 | Ashamed | EEEEEEk |
| 16:50.17 | Ashamed | no upgrades to turrets |
| 16:50.18 | Ashamed | NONE |
| 16:50.20 | Rhavon | but I don't want to upgrade all the turrets |
| 16:50.29 | Ashamed | make it a differnt unit |
| 16:50.32 | Ashamed | but exactly the same |
| 16:50.34 | Rhavon | I want the upgrade to only affect the turret the upgrade is used on |
| 16:50.44 | Ashamed | or make it behavior |
| 16:50.59 | Rhavon | so like my perdition turrets in my map |
| 16:51.22 | Rhavon | I want players to be able to locally upgrade THAT turret with increased range for example |
| 16:51.59 | Ashamed | make it an ability |
| 16:52.03 | Rhavon | I've played a few maps where you can upgrade a particular unit and not all units of its type |
| 16:52.04 | Ashamed | with behavor |
| 16:52.09 | Rhavon | okay |
| 16:52.39 | Ashamed | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6368307032 |
| 16:52.41 | Ashamed | there you go homie |
| 16:52.47 | Rhavon | so all the perd turrets get the ability and the button. |
| 16:52.53 | Ashamed | That should point you in the right direction |
| 16:52.54 | Rhavon | thanks! |
| 16:54.07 | duckies | yeah, upgrades are global per unit type, you'll want to stack buffs |
| 16:55.41 | Ashamed | my hero map i am thinking should be quite fun -.- |
| 16:56.03 | duckies | well see when it's done, won't we? .-. |
| 17:00.20 | Rhavon | okay so with my perd turret upgrade I'm making a new behavior to the weapon or I gotta add a new weapon. |
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| 17:00.59 | Ashamed | make it for the unit |
| 17:01.13 | Ashamed | and just make it so it gives the unit stats |
| 17:01.20 | Ashamed | in return it makes the weapon stronger |
| 17:01.29 | Ashamed | i am sure you can give it too the weapon as well though |
| 17:01.42 | Ashamed | the guild should tell you |
| 17:02.48 | Rhavon | the guide talks about the stem pack ability |
| 17:02.58 | Rhavon | I'm so slow with this shit lol |
| 17:03.03 | Rhavon | its frustrating for me sometimes |
| 17:04.07 | duckies | behaviors have modifications+ field |
| 17:04.09 | Ashamed | 3. Letâs buff up your new heroâs stats. You can use your own judgement, but I personally changed the following items: Life Armor: 1 Life Maximum: 150 Life Regeneration Delay: 2 Life Regeneration Rate: 5 Life Starting Amount: 150 |
| 17:04.13 | Ashamed | he upgrades all that in it |
| 17:04.32 | duckies | in that field, there are damage scaling fields |
| 17:05.12 | Rhavon | okay |
| 17:05.18 | duckies | so modifications+ -> Combat -> damage dealt |
| 17:05.36 | duckies | change damage dealt on whichever source you want to a value |
| 17:05.51 | duckies | then ever time unit use "upgrade" ability - add 1 stack of behavior |
| 17:06.11 | duckies | make sure behavior is stackable |
| 17:06.44 | Rhavon | so I gotta duplicate the pred turret first |
| 17:07.07 | duckies | have fun :D |
| 17:07.45 | duckies | if you duplicate that turret make sure you don't mess up its morphing process |
| 17:08.26 | duckies | since it's 2 units morphing between each other when attacking |
| 17:08.32 | Ashamed | ITS OVER |
| 17:08.39 | Ashamed | he messed up the morphing |
| 17:08.43 | Ashamed | how the power rangers going to work now |
| 17:09.18 | Rhavon | oh god |
| 17:09.29 | duckies | means you'll have to duplicate both surface and underground turrets, duplicate morphing abilities and then reconnect everything in actors -> events+ field |
| 17:09.33 | Rhavon | I think I'm just gonna make it a global upgrade lol.. i'm scared |
| 17:09.39 | Ashamed | no |
| 17:09.44 | Ashamed | dont be scared |
| 17:09.51 | Ashamed | this is basic stuff need to do it |
| 17:10.05 | Ashamed | We believe in you |
| 17:10.07 | Rhavon | anyone have time for skype and a sharescreen lol |
| 17:10.14 | Ashamed | spirt bomb that shit - call the spirt of all mappers |
| 17:10.22 | Rhavon | once I'm shown once I'll be able to do it again |
| 17:10.51 | Ashamed | the power of google you jedi |
| 17:10.52 | Ashamed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1et41pqbJsM |
| 17:11.09 | Ashamed | Onetwo - i dunno if he is around anymore but our very own! |
| 17:11.59 | Rhavon | ive watched so many of his videos |
| 17:12.14 | Ashamed | He be a pimp |
| 17:12.18 | duckies | ooh, and since it's a new building you'll also need to modify terran building actors so that bulding animation spaws for it when scv builds it |
| 17:12.31 | duckies | so many little pieces sawn together |
| 17:13.27 | duckies | ah, well that word didn't mean what I think it did. oh well |
| 17:14.41 | Ashamed | duckies sewn - almost had it lol |
| 17:15.01 | duckies | ah thank you! :D |
| 17:16.33 | Rhavon | building animiation? |
| 17:16.55 | Rhavon | I just want to make a button upgrade... that makes the flames shoot farther and do more damage lol |
| 17:17.04 | Rhavon | for that turret |
| 17:17.08 | Rhavon | and not all of them |
| 17:17.30 | Ashamed | he was telling you what to duplicate |
| 17:17.43 | Rhavon | ah okay |
| 17:18.10 | duckies | ah, for flames going farther, you'll need to modify weapon. since it's not a missile, it's a whole lot more complicated |
| 17:18.36 | Rhavon | yeah I've played around with it already |
| 17:19.06 | Rhavon | got the xyz changed. I pretty much had it working on a global scale I just wanted to see how feasible it was to make local upgrades to units |
| 17:19.40 | Rhavon | I dont understand why I have to duplicate all this stuff |
| 17:20.26 | duckies | neither do I |
| 17:20.36 | duckies | why did you want to duplicate predition in the first place? |
| 17:21.45 | Rhavon | I'm easily confused... I don't want to duplicate anything I dont have to. My goal is to make an upgrade button for the predition turret that will upgrade that turrets weapon and effect |
| 17:22.34 | duckies | so you'll want to make and effect-instant ability |
| 17:22.41 | duckies | ability will add buff to unit |
| 17:23.06 | duckies | damage buff is easy |
| 17:23.11 | Rhavon | okay so a new ability |
| 17:23.20 | duckies | range buff will be .. a timeconsuming thing |
| 17:23.30 | Rhavon | that is a 1 time cost and the unit gets the ability forever after that |
| 17:24.24 | duckies | oooh |
| 17:24.40 | duckies | so it's a single level individual upgrade? |
| 17:24.48 | duckies | phew, that makes things a lot whole easier |
| 17:25.32 | Rhavon | ya I started looking at that hero stuff... I dont want a hero turret lol |
| 17:26.14 | Rhavon | I just want to give players the option to upgrade the turrets locally with bigger damage and flame spray. I'm gonna do similiar things to the auto turret and missile turret |
| 17:26.49 | duckies | it's gonna be both damage and spray radius in the same upgrade? |
| 17:28.30 | Rhavon | yeah |
| 17:28.52 | duckies | cool |
| 17:29.02 | Rhavon | I hope so |
| 17:29.30 | Rhavon | I dont want people just using missile turrets in my map so I'm buffing the ground defense stuff and taking out the ground attacks on da missile turrets |
| 17:29.33 | duckies | you can either make existing weapon more difficult, or you can make 2 weapons. 1 is basic and 2nd is upgraded |
| 17:30.30 | duckies | I'd recommend making a second weapon. when unit uses ability -> old weapon becomes disabled/hidden and upgraded weapon activates |
| 17:30.32 | Rhavon | do you have skype? would you mind walking me through this once and I'll be able to do it for the other units |
| 17:31.00 | duckies | I don't have a mic .-. |
| 17:31.02 | Rhavon | okay so duplicate the weapon then |
| 17:32.24 | duckies | yeah, duplicate and readjust weapon, then when you've checked and it works as you want it to - make an ability that will add a buff to unit, the buff will switch weaons |
| 17:32.56 | Rhavon | okay I think I can do that |
| 17:33.16 | Rhavon | Ashamed was trying to make my head explode lol |
| 17:33.46 | duckies | the only complex part in that whole thing is being careful when you duplicate weapon - making sure attack actors are all corrected so that attacks visual isn't messed up |
| 17:34.21 | duckies | so you'll have to compare both old and new attack actor and fix whatever hasn't been linked properly |
| 17:34.41 | Rhavon | okay I'll look at that. I'm about to duplicate it now |
| 17:35.41 | Rhavon | so I want to duplicate the effects and thew two blue actors I think |
| 17:39.26 | duckies | if you want you can only duplicate one |
| 17:39.38 | duckies | the "Perdition Turret Attack" |
| 17:39.48 | duckies | and manually edit second one later |
| 17:39.53 | duckies | works just as fine |
| 17:41.11 | duckies | and you'll want to duplicate the "Perdition Turret Flame Thrower " things, leave burrow relate stuffs alone |
| 17:41.20 | duckies | upi |
| 17:41.30 | duckies | *you'll just reuse it |
| 17:42.24 | duckies | or you can duplicate it too, it simply doesn't affect anything you want and is used in the effect chain after your modified effects will pass through |
| 17:42.30 | duckies | a matter of preference really |
| 17:43.06 | Rhavon | okay |
| 17:43.36 | Rhavon | I'm looking at stats now. Wondering what minimum scan range really does |
| 17:44.00 | Rhavon | looked it up and says the maximum range that it will target a unit |
| 17:44.34 | duckies | it means the range in which unit will attempt to attack enemy |
| 17:44.48 | Rhavon | so changing the range of the weapon to say 8 i should also bump up the minimum scan range so that the unit will use that range 8 weapon when someone comes within 8 range |
| 17:45.03 | duckies | yes |
| 17:45.38 | Rhavon | hm I dont think I changed that with my global hi sec auto tracking upgrade I did. might have to fix taht |
| 17:46.38 | duckies | I don't think it matters too much |
| 17:46.52 | duckies | it's used more for units moving towards target |
| 17:47.13 | duckies | for example it means that zerglings will move in to attack when enemy enters 5 range from them |
| 17:47.38 | duckies | for turrets, if default attack range is X and they see the target they'll attack it allthesame |
| 17:47.57 | duckies | think the case here is just for pretty consistency |
| 17:49.12 | Rhavon | okay so I increased the range. So now I go into the create persistent and adjust values so the visual goes out to 8 instead of 4 |
| 17:52.42 | duckies | yes, now you go into create persistent and set pereodic count from 14 to 28 and add 14 more pereodic offsets extending effect from -3.5Y to -7.5Y |
| 17:53.19 | duckies | that is if you're increasing its range from 4 to 8 |
| 17:53.56 | Rhavon | sweet im on the right track |
| 17:54.03 | Rhavon | <3 btw. thanks for helping |
| 17:54.22 | duckies | np |
| 17:55.27 | Rhavon | okay and this is just adjusting the visual of the flames right? |
| 17:58.38 | duckies | go to atack actor |
| 17:58.55 | duckies | the "Predition turret attack" |
| 17:59.11 | duckies | Launch assets->Scale |
| 17:59.13 | duckies | modify it |
| 17:59.22 | duckies | at least in theory that should do it |
| 17:59.33 | duckies | I haven't checked it n practice so it might not work :D |
| 17:59.40 | Rhavon | okay |
| 18:00.00 | Rhavon | the numbers I just adjusted were for the visual only? |
| 18:00.10 | duckies | yeah |
| 18:00.16 | duckies | actors are always visuals only |
| 18:02.07 | Rhavon | I meant for the effect. or are we talkin about the same thing |
| 18:03.27 | Rhavon | because everything within those offsets gets hit with the damage I think thats how it works. |
| 18:03.47 | duckies | oh |
| 18:03.51 | duckies | yeah |
| 18:03.51 | Rhavon | just increasing the range doesn't help because the offsets apply the damage (I think) |
| 18:03.57 | duckies | yup |
| 18:04.18 | Rhavon | I tried increasing just the range before and it didnt appear that the damage was being applied to the further targets |
| 18:04.26 | duckies | yeah |
| 18:04.37 | duckies | persistent applies damage in line from source to target |
| 18:04.59 | Rhavon | so if I wanted those offsets to be wider or have a wider attack width I guess I would have to add more |
| 18:05.23 | Rhavon | like the upgrade to the firebat |
| 18:05.24 | duckies | and you might have noticed that in starting set there is a damage effect - it damages initial target, the rest of aoe is done by persistent |
| 18:05.34 | duckies | or |
| 18:05.53 | duckies | if you wanted them to be wider you could increase search radius of damage applying effects |
| 18:06.20 | Rhavon | okay I did bump that up from .6 to .8 |
| 18:07.16 | Rhavon | ok so the (damage) is to the initial target |
| 18:08.09 | Rhavon | and persistent applies the same value damage in the search area of the offsets |
| 18:08.54 | duckies | y |
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| 18:11.09 | Rhavon | okay I'm at the actor. I'm looking for the assets scale |
| 18:11.46 | Rhavon | ah for the model got it |
| 18:14.00 | Rhavon | off topic question. Theres a lot of this stuff premade assets people can use on SC2mapsters right as long as you give credit in your map? Like random turrets with lasers and different monsters etc etc |
| 18:15.25 | duckies | I'm sure people would love to see their stuff used |
| 18:15.47 | duckies | otherwise it's like they've made it - and nobody ever saw that. Just wasting away in archives |
| 18:16.37 | duckies | would also make their day being credited for their work |
| 18:16.45 | duckies | you can credit entire world in your map! |
| 18:16.58 | duckies | because nobody who plays cares for credits anyway .-. |
| 18:18.52 | Rhavon | I care |
| 18:19.19 | duckies | you're the creative |
| 18:19.34 | Rhavon | so I fucked up the launch. I edited the art before making a new launch copy.. fixed it. have the new launch made. trying to find where it attaches to the other actor |
| 18:20.56 | duckies | [20:58] <duckies> the "Predition turret attack" [20:59] <duckies> Launch assets->Scale |
| 18:21.02 | Rhavon | okay so now I gotta make a new actor for the perdition turret and attach the new model |
| 18:21.16 | duckies | I .. uh... wha? |
| 18:21.43 | duckies | didn't you dupicate the actror when duplicating weapon? |
| 18:24.32 | Rhavon | it duplicated the attack and flames actors |
| 18:25.38 | duckies | so you work with the one actor it duplicated |
| 18:25.45 | duckies | you don't need to create any new actors |
| 18:26.02 | Rhavon | yeah I adjusted the new attack and flames actors. |
| 18:26.16 | Rhavon | now I have to attach the new actors to the pred turret actor right? |
| 18:27.11 | duckies | nooooooooooo |
| 18:27.29 | duckies | what actor would you attach to pred turret actor? |
| 18:27.42 | duckies | if you mean the one you duplicated - it's not how it works |
| 18:28.02 | duckies | attack actor creates itself when weapon is attacking |
| 18:28.13 | duckies | in that actor there are a whole lot of fields you might notice |
| 18:28.43 | Rhavon | yes |
| 18:28.54 | duckies | sucha as attachment operations, launch/impact stuffs and many more. Attack actor gets all info on where to place himself from those fields |
| 18:29.07 | Rhavon | okay so this is where I'm at |
| 18:29.38 | Rhavon | I'm at my perdition turret attack. I attached the new model with the longer flames. |
| 18:30.48 | duckies | just launch the map and see wheither it works or not |
| 18:30.49 | duckies | I mean, swithc normal weapon with upgraded weapon and test to see what works and what doesn't |
| 18:30.49 | Rhavon | I gotta put the new weapon on the pred turret and I will |
| 18:32.47 | Rhavon | the explorer is still showing that the old attack launch model is still attached. the new one is attached as well |
| 18:33.33 | duckies | you can see where its' used |
| 18:33.51 | duckies | right click it and checkmark the option to trace stuff |
| 18:38.42 | Rhavon | okay thanks. I'm looking for the launch assets - model |
| 18:40.06 | Rhavon | that part you mentioned before launch assets scale |
| 18:42.59 | Rhavon | okay I was lookin in detail view. way easier to find it the other way |
| 18:52.28 | Rhavon | yesssss!!!! |
| 18:52.42 | Rhavon | Thanks :) SO MUCH FIRE.. its glorious |
| 18:52.55 | duckies | yayy for more fire |
| 18:53.27 | Rhavon | the model is a little screwed up. has like small jet burn effect coming out the back of the turret and forward where the flames should stop |
| 18:55.40 | duckies | probably something about attack actor |
| 18:55.45 | duckies | drop me a screenshot? |
| 18:56.28 | duckies | you can printscr and paste it here |
| 18:56.29 | duckies | http://snag.gy/ |
| 18:57.06 | Rhavon | okay let me run it again |
| 19:02.05 | Rhavon | now if I can find where my print screnes are running off too |
| 19:03.03 | duckies | you just open that website |
| 19:03.06 | duckies | and press ctrl-v |
| 19:03.23 | duckies | and it'll save printscreen as a link |
| 19:13.02 | Rhavon | http://snag.gy/h2GF5.jpg |
| 19:13.40 | Rhavon | its got afterburners |
| 19:14.22 | duckies | ooh |
| 19:14.30 | duckies | the light coming out from its back? |
| 19:14.32 | ArcanePariah | Hey, some people like lots of flames |
| 19:14.59 | duckies | and I like the lightshows like this |
| 19:15.14 | duckies | especially cause my graphics options prevent me from seeing them :D |
| 19:15.53 | duckies | either try messing up with model scaling or try dfferent model altogether |
| 19:16.01 | Rhavon | hm okay |
| 19:16.13 | Rhavon | yeah the light from the back side |
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| 19:16.59 | DeadZergling | sure an amazing lack of RTC 2015 entries |
| 19:17.33 | Rhavon | I think it has a lot to do with changing the Y value to 7.5 |
| 19:18.39 | Rhavon | thats whats giving the stretched out afterburner look |
| 19:19.24 | duckies | ^^ |
| 19:20.06 | duckies | oh dz, you expected everyone to just make posts about their yet non-existant non-finished maps right away? |
| 19:20.20 | duckies | I imagine it's gonna be like that up until ~2 weeks before deadline |
| 19:22.24 | DeadZergling | well sure duckies , but the amount of RTC posts are just pathetic right now |
| 19:22.35 | DeadZergling | might be like, 5 |
| 19:23.41 | duckies | I know, I'm sometimes bored too and wishing that people would showcase their stuffs more so that I can spend more of my existance exploring new things instead of working and being driven by things! |
| 19:24.10 | DeadZergling | I'm driven by shit atm, just go to bed earlier, unable to even start editing, etc |
| 19:24.12 | duckies | quacks quacks quack quack quack quack |
| 19:24.26 | DeadZergling | is pretty pathetic |
| 19:25.17 | duckies | but .. but proper sleep is awesome |
| 19:25.30 | DeadZergling | proper sleep is for losers |
| 19:25.34 | duckies | y u no be a sleeping beauty dz |
| 19:26.14 | duckies | waiting for abeautiful map to bring you to life with a kiss of inspiration~ |
| 19:26.29 | duckies | hm, I ought to cut down on zolden in me :< |
| 19:27.21 | DeadZergling | too late, you seem pretty zolden infected already |
| 19:27.47 | Ashamed | roar |
| 19:28.18 | duckies | must .. resist.. urge .. to .. unity! |
| 19:29.23 | duckies | goes on a quest to unify the ducks |
| 19:33.23 | Rhavon | thanks for your help duckies. I know I'm pretty tough to teach new things too |
| 19:33.46 | Ashamed | Rhavon your like the only person any one can teach now adays lol |
| 19:33.46 | Rhavon | I'm gonna play around with the scale and see if I can't figure something out. must have good looking flames |
| 19:34.02 | duckies | nah, you're the best student I've ever had |
| 19:34.03 | Ashamed | Channle pretty much established with vets that have been here since release >< |
| 19:34.09 | Rhavon | I'm fine being the only student to 3/4 teachers |
| 19:34.14 | duckies | you're also the only studen I've ever had |
| 19:34.22 | duckies | so not much space for competition |
| 19:34.32 | Ashamed | Before release lol we were all playing with the editor in beta |
| 19:34.39 | Ashamed | hacking it trying to get as much out of it as we could lol |
| 19:34.59 | Ashamed | I miss sc2 release it was fun >< |
| 19:35.35 | duckies | well, I'll leave you guys to your own devices |
| 19:35.40 | duckies | forwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard to bed! |
| 19:35.45 | duckies | gn gn |
| 19:35.47 | Rhavon | it sucks I cant get the flames to just keep adding with the scale and not have that burn effect |
| 19:35.52 | Rhavon | that glow is annoying |
| 19:35.54 | Ashamed | night |
| 19:36.55 | Rhavon | so since I got some new teachers on.... :) |
| 19:37.08 | Rhavon | http://snag.gy/h2GF5.jpg |
| 19:38.12 | Rhavon | I'm trying to adjust this model so the flames dont look dumb |
| 19:40.24 | ArcanePariah | Two options |
| 19:40.27 | ArcanePariah | Scale them down |
| 19:40.38 | ArcanePariah | Other option to is move them forward |
| 19:40.51 | ArcanePariah | final option is to do both, scale them down and move them forward |
| 19:41.09 | ArcanePariah | You will need to use Site Op Local Offset to do the forward move of them |
| 19:41.36 | ArcanePariah | I'm currently preoccupied with my own project, but I can be on this evening, in about 7 hours |
| 19:41.45 | ArcanePariah | If you want to do a call |
| 19:42.15 | Ashamed | Yeah Rhavon i am at work now :( |
| 19:42.44 | ArcanePariah | Come now, we all know you've scripted everything and you are just reading reddit all day :P |
| 19:43.16 | Rhavon | I'll be on Arcane |
| 19:45.06 | Rhavon | I increased the perdition turret range to 8 with an upgrade. I just want the graphic to match the attack |
| 19:45.28 | Rhavon | also that little radius circle around the turret. gotta find where to adjust that |
| 19:45.40 | ArcanePariah | Model data |
| 19:45.48 | ArcanePariah | Model -> Selection Radius |
| 19:46.45 | Rhavon | okay sweet |
| 19:47.39 | Rhavon | oh I meant the target radius where it shows how far it can attack |
| 19:48.01 | ArcanePariah | Range Actor |
| 19:48.20 | Rhavon | thanks again |
| 19:48.33 | ArcanePariah | Should already adjust, it is based on the weapon range to begin with |
| 19:48.48 | ArcanePariah | But if you created a new weapon, would need a new range actor |
| 19:53.26 | Rhavon | I did create a new weapon |
| 19:53.43 | Rhavon | but I think the range actor got duplicated with it.. I'll check |
| 19:54.29 | Rhavon | I'm making the new ability now to tie it together and replace the perdition turrets old weapon with the upgraded one when they purchase the local upgrade |
| 20:02.22 | Rhavon | gotta figure out how to make it swap weapons |
| 20:04.34 | Rhavon | found a good tutorial I think |
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| 20:22.26 | Rhavon | okay.. so I have the ability.. I have the weapon. The behavior will discard the old weapon and make the turret use the new weapon. So now how to link the unit's ability to the behavior and make it work |
| 20:24.44 | Ashamed | you should just be able to make it stackable on one weapon |
| 20:24.51 | Ashamed | so 0 stacks = the normal weapon |
| 20:28.54 | Rhavon | What I have in the behavior is removing the old weapon and applying the new one |
| 20:29.26 | Rhavon | so I'm trying to figure out how to activate that behavior now through the ability on the unit |
| 20:29.59 | Rhavon | know what I mean Ashamed |
| 20:30.14 | Rhavon | or do I gotta do <Ashamed> |
| 20:31.38 | Ashamed | yeah what i am saying i dont think you need a new weapon but perhaps you do... dunno i am not very good with the data editor ha |
| 20:33.21 | Rhavon | I think I gotta link an effect to the ability and then the behavior to the effect |
| 20:40.10 | Rhavon | ya thats where I'm stuck. I made the behavior and the effect. but when I try to choose the behavior in the effect option its not listed |
| 20:57.53 | Rhavon | lol the tutorial really just pissed me off |
| 20:58.36 | Rhavon | ya you just link them up via the apply behavior and there ya go. easy.. except my fucking behavior isn't showing up the in apply behavior when I search for it lol |
| 21:05.59 | Ashamed | then you didnt design the behavior under the correct catigory |
| 21:06.01 | Ashamed | when you created it |
| 21:07.21 | Rhavon | or I'm an idiot and by selecting the behavior option under the ability when I made the ability.... |
| 21:07.34 | Rhavon | now it shows up when I go to apply behavior... |
| 21:08.36 | Rhavon | I thought I was supposed to make effect-instant |
| 21:21.05 | Rhavon | okay now the button works but one problem. because the turret morphs.. if I put the upgrade on the burrowed version it doesn't apply it to the active turret |
| 21:32.11 | Rhavon | so the fun part of figuring out how to apply the behavior to the morphed counterpart |
| 21:54.16 | Ashamed | Sigh taxes are at about 1100 a month now |
| 21:54.22 | Ashamed | i hate your government >< |
| 21:54.39 | Ashamed | They take my rent in taxes -.- makes me feel awesome |
| 22:05.49 | Rhavon | such is life :( |
| 22:05.53 | Rhavon | death and taxes man |
| 22:06.19 | Ashamed | but 600 dollars every 2 weeks |
| 22:06.30 | Ashamed | i see why people become whores now |
| 22:06.38 | Ashamed | fuck the Government keep all dat cash |
| 22:09.31 | DeadZergling | well someone has to pay for all the welfare going on Ashamed , may as well be you |
| 22:10.20 | Ashamed | yeah i raised my income last year from 30k to 50k |
| 22:10.23 | Ashamed | so i am still adjusting lol |
| 22:10.37 | Ashamed | I already want moer >< |
| 22:56.48 | Rhavon | how does the projectile accelerator upgrade know how to apply the two range buff to the cargo inside? I'm trying to find where it says it affects cargo units |
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| 23:46.44 | Rhavon | oooops looks like I made my auto turrets too OP |
| 23:47.50 | DeadZergling | guess time to nerf them to semi-auto turrets? |
| 23:50.01 | Rhavon | ya lol |
| 23:50.30 | Rhavon | they were so weak so I made an expensive upgrade that buffs range 4, attack +18 and +10 armor |
| 23:50.54 | Rhavon | and changed attack from .8 to .7 for period |
| 23:51.23 | Rhavon | so if you buy all the range upgrades they have a 14 range |
| 23:52.31 | Rhavon | pretty nasty |
| 23:52.55 | DeadZergling | what reason is there to have siege tanks with that going on, lol |
| 23:53.19 | Rhavon | just toying around |
| 23:53.24 | Rhavon | gonna knock it back a little |
| 23:53.42 | Rhavon | I like my pred turret upgrade. just wish I could get it to work right |
| 23:53.45 | DeadZergling | suppose you could give siege tanks orbital range |
| 23:53.50 | DeadZergling | able to hit anything in the freaking map |
| 23:54.28 | Rhavon | you have to poach the perdition turret and catch it while its up to do the local upgrade on it |
| 23:54.49 | Rhavon | but you can boost its range to 8.. |
| 23:55.02 | Rhavon | theres so much fire |
| 23:56.05 | Rhavon | but ya before my auto turrets were so under powered. they werent killin anything |
