| 00:02.47 | Rhavon | thanks. I got it working. I just found it amusing its backwards from most upgrades |
| 00:07.01 | Rhavon | what did you think of the map when you looked at it? |
| 00:11.09 | Dustin|Work | Terrain and stuff looked nice! |
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| 00:19.34 | Rhavon | Thanks |
| 00:19.43 | Rhavon | :) I'm really looking forward to finishing it |
| 00:20.16 | Rhavon | If I didn't get stumped all the time on the simple stuff in the data editor/triggers!! I can't wait to play it. |
| 00:21.59 | Rhavon | I gotta make more maps and learn the ropes of sharing dependencies or whatnot. However you link them together. Haven't gotten that far yet. I want to give an option to choose different missions depending on how many players are in the lobby. This map may be to big for anything under 6/8 players |
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| 00:44.54 | Rhavon | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3630 |
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| 02:41.48 | Rhavon | got myself stumped again: |
| 02:42.41 | Rhavon | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3632 |
| 02:44.27 | Rhavon | I have an interact ability assigned to a command center. When anyone trains a unit there its supposed to make them an SCV |
| 02:44.50 | Rhavon | however its currently only making an scv for the player 12 |
| 03:30.19 | Rhavon | If anyone has a few minutes I could use some help. I know I've been demanding :) |
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| 09:08.12 | Rhavon | Hello hello. anyone alive? :) |
| 09:49.04 | duckies | hello |
| 09:49.08 | duckies | absolutely not! |
| 09:49.21 | duckies | what is this, 2010? |
| 09:49.23 | duckies | :D |
| 10:30.38 | Rhavon | hi duckies you there? I got a question if anyone has a few minutes |
| 10:31.30 | duckies | you can ask |
| 10:31.37 | duckies | but I usually don't know anything v_v |
| 10:33.13 | Rhavon | I'll throw a soft ball |
| 10:33.50 | Rhavon | when using a button (upgrade ability) where the hell is the option to make the number change on the button. I had it on accident before but it went away. |
| 10:34.31 | Rhavon | so if I train (get buff son) 1 the button shows a little tooltip on it in the bottom right. when I train again it goes up to 2. etc etc |
| 10:36.41 | Rhavon | the info charge count options on the ability do something similar but I can't figure out how to make it count up. It was working before and I have no idea how! I've been pouring over tutorials trying to find it lol |
| 10:37.00 | duckies | ooh that |
| 10:37.40 | duckies | I have no idea! I din't remember any default behavior for that |
| 10:37.56 | duckies | have you tried giving "-1" charge on use |
| 10:38.05 | duckies | so that it adds charges instead of subtracting them |
| 10:38.08 | Rhavon | ....... |
| 10:38.23 | Rhavon | I'm retarded.. I'm gonna try that now |
| 10:40.07 | Rhavon | the second thing is I want to have a shared building build units for the triggering player. So in my example I have player 12 (not user) as allied with team 1 with shared control, vision, spending. The command center builds SCVs. I want the scvs to be owned by whoever triggered the ability |
| 10:43.13 | duckies | I have only minimal experience with shared things. You'd probably need an event for when ability finishes training unit and then give trained unit to player whi triggered ability |
| 10:43.18 | duckies | I really don't know how it's done |
| 10:43.42 | duckies | it's best to check all related trigger functions/parameters and reach your own conclusions |
| 10:44.13 | duckies | I doubt data has any support for shared unit creation |
| 10:45.36 | duckies | the most I ever needed was to know the player who triggered an ability on shared unit, and that was easy v_v |
| 10:46.24 | Rhavon | okay |
| 10:47.04 | Rhavon | I've seen games where a neutral building will spawn units for a controlling player. I set up an interact and it was working once but not sure what changed on it |
| 10:48.04 | duckies | ooh, interact, that xel'naga tower thing |
| 10:48.13 | Rhavon | yeah |
| 10:48.14 | duckies | yea, that might be the correct data way to do things! |
| 10:48.32 | Rhavon | someone was helping me do it but I screwed it up somehow unfortunately |
| 10:48.58 | Rhavon | I think my alliance settings screwed it up |
| 10:48.58 | duckies | trial an |
| 10:49.02 | duckies | *and error :D |
| 10:49.11 | duckies | well check it out! |
| 10:49.12 | Rhavon | but my alliance settings cannot change now |
| 10:49.42 | Rhavon | so the building (command center) is an ally anyways, not a neutral player |
| 10:50.35 | duckies | well give it to p0 and see if that single thing works as expected? |
| 10:54.27 | Rhavon | its nice to talk through stuff lol. |
| 10:54.30 | Rhavon | thanks for your help |
| 10:54.54 | Rhavon | so it will train units for me now. just have to tweek it because selecting it is acting funny |
| 10:58.09 | duckies | all is well that ends well! |
| 11:00.29 | Rhavon | YESSSSSS |
| 11:00.54 | Rhavon | I was so close all along.. I have spent almost an entire freaking day trying to get this right!!!! |
| 11:01.24 | Rhavon | I had the damn block checked for ally and not player because originally it was an allied player... |
| 11:04.05 | Rhavon | now its zombie trigger time and getting the campaign AI to build shit. |
| 11:05.08 | Rhavon | from what I've read about campaign AI it really doesn't do anything on its own |
| 11:05.23 | duckies | ooh, campaign AI :D |
| 11:05.49 | duckies | the most I ever needed from ai was to build predefined units and pre-placed structures |
| 11:06.06 | duckies | and I'm kinda glad I didn't need to do more with it ;3 |
| 11:06.40 | Rhavon | if you're bored you can watch me fumble around with setting up some zombie waves. I could use some company via shared screen to work this out. Plus you can see what I'm working on :) |
| 11:07.59 | duckies | well, I am a little bit bored! but I'm at work now, so I think I'll do without sharedscreen |
| 11:08.46 | Rhavon | alrighty :) |
| 11:09.32 | Rhavon | http://prntscr.com/81h5bv |
| 11:10.41 | Rhavon | http://prntscr.com/81h5pf |
| 11:11.00 | Rhavon | thats the layout. Basically its a co-op survival |
| 11:11.13 | Rhavon | with side missions and whatnot |
| 11:13.00 | duckies | ahh, what an eye pleasing terrain |
| 11:15.15 | duckies | and plenty of people like zombie/zerg survivals too, they never seem to get old. you're good to go :D |
| 11:28.19 | Rhavon | thanks |
| 11:28.37 | Rhavon | the goal was to create a simple easy to learn map |
| 11:29.29 | Rhavon | my first zergling wave was a success.. they spawned... and ran towards the completely wrong direction lol.. guess they didn't want to kill the gates |
| 11:32.30 | duckies | zerglings respect the fine craftsmanship of gates :< |
| 11:36.22 | Rhavon | They are pretty sturdy |
| 11:36.45 | Rhavon | playing around with the priority of the gates so hopefully the zerglings will suicide on them |
| 11:42.23 | duckies | yeah, attack priority is a good place to look ^_^ |
| 11:43.15 | Rhavon | siege tank priority is like 20.. my gates are 75... zerglings would rather eat siege tanks.. or rather get eaten by |
| 11:45.00 | Rhavon | hmm I wonder what "always a threat to attackers does" |
| 11:48.01 | duckies | :o wait |
| 11:48.08 | duckies | are gates units or structures |
| 11:48.17 | duckies | (do they have footprint)? |
| 11:49.01 | duckies | and how are you ordering the attacks? |
| 11:50.13 | Rhavon | the gates... hmmm |
| 11:50.30 | Rhavon | ah I have them as structures |
| 11:51.03 | duckies | actuallym nvm, the structure question is not important :D |
| 11:53.39 | Rhavon | okay |
| 11:54.20 | Rhavon | so the target point is inside the city |
| 11:55.30 | Rhavon | the gates are closed and in the way.. so I'm assuming that its a pathing issue.. the zerglings don't see a way to get to the target so they attack the nearest unit. However the gate is the nearest unit. its owned by the same player which would still be enemy to the zerglings |
| 12:03.30 | duckies | how are you ordering them |
| 12:03.37 | duckies | are you ordering them to move |
| 12:03.43 | duckies | or to attack a point? |
| 12:03.56 | duckies | it's best to always order to scan-move to target point |
| 12:09.36 | Rhavon | ahah! |
| 12:09.44 | Rhavon | found the culprit |
| 12:09.54 | Rhavon | so air units will attack the gate.. |
| 12:10.36 | Rhavon | so I tried spawning zerglings on my team and force attacking them.. wherever the range finder is for the attack its untargetable for the zerglings. |
| 12:11.16 | Rhavon | I'm ordering them through the AI wave maker |
| 12:13.32 | Rhavon | so the ranged units can hit the walls just fine. as soon as I kill the wall the zerglings pour into the city. its beautiful. |
| 12:20.17 | duckies | ooh, ai markers can do that :0 |
| 12:21.18 | Rhavon | whats that? |
| 12:21.46 | Rhavon | I just ran another test on it. no melee will attack.. they just stand there like retards while the hydralisks do all the work |
| 12:22.16 | Rhavon | its a target thing.. since the gates are so big the attack points are out of reach I think |
| 12:28.28 | Rhavon | trying to see if I can adjust the attackable radius or how to move the attack points on the model |
| 12:30.34 | Rhavon | jackpot!! |
| 12:35.49 | Rhavon | doh nevermind |
| 12:36.01 | Rhavon | stupid radius only works one way |
| 12:46.22 | duckies | well, I need to go. Be coragious and have luck! |
| 13:09.26 | Rhavon | If anyone is available I'm trying to figure out how to adjust a unit's attackable radius. I have gates that ground melee troops won't hit because they can't reach the attack anchors. |
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| 20:46.27 | SpaceWhales | I have an event that after occurring, I require units to be unable to load into transports (ie prevent users from putting units into bunkers/medivacs/warpprisms): Is this possible? |
| 20:47.34 | Dustin|Work | You could just disable the load ability on the transports |
| 20:47.37 | SpaceWhales | not sure if it is a condition that I apply to each unit on the battlefield, or if I can simply trigger a passive condition |
| 20:48.01 | Dustin|Work | Or I think a behavior can modify that on a unit |
| 20:48.18 | Dustin|Work | So you could have a behavior that supresses the Load ability and then you can add it / remove it as necessary |
| 20:48.54 | SpaceWhales | I would have to apply that to the unit in the data editor right? (Behavior) |
| 20:49.05 | Dustin|Work | No, you can apply it via triggers |
| 20:49.11 | SpaceWhales | oh ok |
| 20:49.13 | SpaceWhales | nice |
| 20:49.23 | SpaceWhales | yeah I want to be able to turn it on and off |
| 20:49.28 | SpaceWhales | so this sounds best |
| 20:49.32 | Dustin|Work | For instance, grab all units in region, check eachone to see if it has load ability, add Behavior. done |
| 20:49.47 | SpaceWhales | do I have to create the behavior? |
| 20:49.50 | Dustin|Work | Yup |
| 20:50.05 | SpaceWhales | ok cool I will try this |
| 20:50.08 | SpaceWhales | thanks for the direction |
| 20:50.23 | Dustin|Work | np |
| 20:50.59 | SpaceWhales | it would be an "attribute" behavior? |
| 20:53.02 | SpaceWhales | and do I have to make different ones for turning it off/on |
| 20:54.43 | Dustin|Work | no, it would be a buff |
| 20:58.11 | Dustin|Work | Modification -> Ability -> Abilities Disabled -> Transport |
| 21:09.42 | Dustin|Work | Thinking about remaking my old WC3 map for the contest |
| 21:09.42 | Dustin|Work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Pw-NYWHfk |
| 21:19.58 | DeadZergling | chances be pretty good Dustin|Work , considering how many are turned off by the theme |
| 21:20.31 | Dustin|Work | I could make the system in SC2 so much easier |
| 21:20.54 | Dustin|Work | Used so many hacks and shit in WC3, invisible units with special models to allow for tile selection/hover |
| 21:21.38 | Dustin|Work | I couldn't even use real 2d arrays |
| 21:21.44 | Dustin|Work | Shit was a pain lol |
| 21:31.21 | SpaceWhales | wait there are data structures in sc2 editor? |
| 21:32.06 | SpaceWhales | and I think I made the behavior thing work, thanks again. |
| 21:36.14 | Dustin|Work | What do you mean by data structures? |
| 21:55.14 | SpaceWhales | arrays, linked lists, classes/objects |
| 21:55.29 | SpaceWhales | trees etc |
| 22:17.19 | Dustin|Work | Oh ,yes there is |
| 22:17.26 | Dustin|Work | They are called Records in galaxy |
| 22:17.41 | Dustin|Work | but there is multideminsional arrays too |
| 22:19.53 | Rhavon | I'm still bob rossing it up. Gotta paint those trees! Ain't nobody got time for no multideminsional arrays :) |
| 22:20.49 | Rhavon | I think I was watching a tutorial on those and the records and how they work the other day and immediately had to grab a beer to stay focused. |
| 22:23.44 | Rhavon | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3634 Mind taking a look at this trigger and telling me if there is a better way to write this? Its a kill for cash so that all players on team are rewarded for NPC kills. |
| 22:27.55 | Dustin|Work | Other than you're setting the minerals for player 1 instead of picked player, I would probably add each unit type to a group and then just loop through the group and apply minerals from there if it matches |
| 22:28.04 | Dustin|Work | Otherwise you're gonna have a lot of if then else or crap |
| 22:30.28 | Rhavon | yeah I'm still learning the ropes. I just wanted to make something so I knew what I wanted there |
| 22:30.37 | Rhavon | thanks :) |
| 22:31.02 | Rhavon | Next stop, tutorial on groups |
| 22:31.50 | Rhavon | doh the player 1 thing lol |
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| 23:03.18 | DeadZergling | I did a strange sort of pseudo circular linked list out of an array a week or so ago Dustin|Work . Wanted a death log to hold up to 500 Death messages for that game, but wasn't sure what to do about it hitting 500. Could adjust the entire damn list every time, could delete 100 and shift it once. What I ended up doing was having the end go to 0, then 1, then 2, and shift the start at the same time. So an extremely hacky |
| 23:07.35 | Dustin|Work | nice! |
| 23:14.14 | Rhavon | Dustin I checked out that video. Nice work |
| 23:22.42 | DeadZergling | decided to sub you for the hell of it Dustin|Work , heh |
| 23:40.31 | Dustin|Work | :D |
| 23:40.52 | DeadZergling | from this list, might see another video in another year or two! |
| 23:41.01 | DeadZergling | such regular updates! |
| 23:41.14 | Dustin|Work | lol I get too lazy to make videos, I should probably do more |
| 23:41.26 | DeadZergling | I been meaning to do another LP series or two |
| 23:41.31 | DeadZergling | I just never feel the urge lately |
| 23:42.07 | DeadZergling | next one is bound to be funner than Ghosts N Goblins |
| 23:42.19 | DeadZergling | have done a few races though, those were interesting |
| 23:42.33 | DeadZergling | and I guess my misadventures in arcade maps count too |
| 23:44.38 | DeadZergling | you should totally subscribe to me Dustin|Work , because I'm awesome, at least according to a few people I just made up in my mind |
| 23:49.39 | Dustin|Work | kkk |
| 23:56.07 | Rhavon | lol |