IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20150509

00:01.49DeadZerglingI would, if this wasn't a freaking microwave meal
00:01.53DeadZerglingis all i bring to work
00:04.45Dustin|WorkAhh lol
00:15.04DeadZerglingi'd love it if they let me spend 2 hours making a proper meal for myself every day instead
00:15.08DeadZerglingI'd totally take advantage of that
00:17.09JademusSregconsiders that one could have that time outside work such that one could prepare and bring proper meals to work.
01:29.19DeadZerglingto an extent, JademusSreg , some stuff just isn't good reheated.
01:30.32JademusSregFair point.
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08:36.48DeathbringerAnyone there to assist?
08:37.20DeathbringerJademusSreg Hey,
08:37.43JademusSreg?
08:37.49DeathbringerMind if you help me?
08:38.41JademusSregDepends on how much effort is required. =D
08:38.44DeathbringerCause what I'm trying to do is create a protection for my banks by the way I want it.
08:38.55DeathbringerSo what I did, the banks store the kills of the unit.
08:39.07DeathbringerBut I added a code that adds that + 54321
08:39.16DeathbringerAs another section.
08:39.17JademusSregHahaha.
08:39.36DeathbringerBut for some reason when it does the calculation.                 Bank - Store integer (54321 - (Count of keys in section "Lock" of bank (Last opened bank))) as "1" of section "Lock" in bank (Last opened bank)
08:39.57DeathbringerIf you kill two people it = 54323
08:40.22DeathbringerAnd when it subtracts it, it - 54320
08:40.25Deathbringer=*
08:40.30DeathbringerNot sure what's going on.
08:41.38DeathbringerIt doesn't subtract 54321 for some reason.
08:41.48DeathbringerIt just subtracts 2.
08:42.37JademusSregBecause it's in the reverse order.
08:43.11DeathbringerReally? Let me try it reverse again because last time it was reversed it = -53210
08:44.45DeathbringerYeah...
08:45.00DeathbringerFrom start it = -54320
08:45.45JademusSregCan't think of a good reason to do that, either way. Options to bank protection are bank signatures + verify and/or encrypt.
08:47.28DeathbringerWhat's verify?
08:47.59JademusSregCall the function that verifies the bank's signature.
08:48.16DeathbringerOh.
08:48.18JademusSregVerifies? Verifys? Both look weird.
08:48.23DeathbringerDamnit, but I liked my system.
08:50.09Deathbringer<PROTECTED>
08:50.12DeathbringerAny issue here?
08:50.48JademusSregAnyway, sig + verify is enough to stop most people. People who know how to crack signed banks wouldn't have any issue altering map code to reverse encryption.
08:52.56JademusSregWhich is to say bank encryption is the smaller hurdle, but security is the game of deterence.
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09:10.08DeathbringerJademusSreg I think I found the issue.
09:10.15DeathbringerYou there?
09:10.29JademusSreg?
09:10.39Deathbringer<PROTECTED>
09:10.42DeathbringerI think I know the issue.
09:11.28DeathbringerWhat has been happening is when this ran it actually set the number to -5 and when it compared it with the unit kills it was +1 as it now = -4
09:13.00JademusSregYay. Glad you sorted that out.
09:13.15DeathbringerNot sure how to actually subtract it though...
09:13.38JademusSregAlso, implement bank signature + verify, asap.
09:17.21JademusSregDelightfully consistent, haha.
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10:37.56Goa_wow, the most superior logic I ever heard: https://youtu.be/Plr81gaUIr0?t=10m23s
11:45.30Goa_Fuck yeah
11:45.41Goa_Apple finally approved my puzzle game: http://pasteboard.co/kDaBV68.png
11:53.44TwoDiewhere is zolden? :O
11:53.45TwoDieded?
11:53.48TwoDiegone to army?
11:56.47Goa_FSB took him
11:57.13Goa_now he is at victory parade as prisoner
11:59.03TwoDieukrainian now he is
12:01.51TorhalOk, Yoda.
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15:22.08DeathbringerI made a condition that checks in the Banks if two integers are the same, if they're not then it supposes to end the game in defeat, but not sure how to pick the specific player that has not the same integers.                         Game - End game in Defeat for player (Picked player) (Hide dialogs, Hide score screen)
15:22.10DeathbringerPlease help.
15:23.48DeathbringerJademusSreg, Mind if you help me out again?
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17:48.59A1winhttp://hastebin.com/emomariroc.xml  true story (on #unity3d)
18:55.47JademusHaha.
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18:56.36JademusSregI agree with myself; hilarious.
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19:02.21EntityEnigmais anyone familiar with the model texture issue in this image? http://i.imgur.com/ugFSATl.jpg
19:03.00EntityEnigmaits just pink and nothing i do changes it
19:03.53JademusSregBad texture, I'd expect.
19:04.16JademusSregPerform any texture swaps?
19:06.31EntityEnigmanope
19:06.44EntityEnigmaits a shrike turret model
19:07.01JademusSregjpg lacks pixel precision, uncertain if some other things I'm seeing are actual features or graphic artefacts.
19:07.13EntityEnigmasomeone i was working with added an attachment point so that it would rotate
19:07.20EntityEnigmaidk if that has anything to do with it
19:07.52JademusSregTint, halo, glow, any of those applied?
19:08.00EntityEnigmanope
19:08.12JademusSregOh wait, added an attachment point? As in modified the asset?
19:08.21EntityEnigmayeah
19:09.01JademusSregOpen the model in the cutscene editor, Ctrl+D to view the Model data.
19:09.03EntityEnigmathe texture used to show like a year ago when i last worked on this map
19:09.09EntityEnigmaok
19:10.20JademusSregOnce you've got the little Model data frame open, find the Materials, need a list or screenshot of the texture slots and their texture paths.
19:10.32EntityEnigmak
19:11.23EntityEnigmalike this? http://i.imgur.com/1vAtLII.png
19:12.41JademusSregYeah. Seems odd the specular slot is using the emissive texture. Lemme check...
19:13.34EntityEnigmaim pretty sure the default asset file is the same config
19:13.46JademusSregYep.
19:13.55JademusSregHm.
19:16.54JademusSregGotta open the asset, one moment.
19:19.52ArcanePariahSince we are on the topic of models. How does one determine what slots are present on a model and does slots have anything to do with the model to begin with? Or can you declare slots and map them to certain textures/materials on the model?
19:20.28JademusSregArc, the latter.
19:21.05ArcanePariahOk, then I guess my discussion turns towards how Texture Declarations and Texture Information and Variations work.
19:21.52ArcanePariahFrom what I understand, they entire system works off of doing regexes, finding textures with certain names and replacing all textures matched with a regex as well
19:22.00JademusSregOnly the main.* slots have presets with special functionality, automagically maps diffuse, specular, emissive, and normal with their respective subterms.
19:22.04ArcanePariahWell not regexes per se, but string match
19:22.32JademusSregEnt, which dependencies are you using?
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19:23.28EntityEnigmahmm looks like only liberty dependencies
19:23.36EntityEnigmabut the terrain is a hots texture
19:23.46JademusSregLiberty mod or Campaign?
19:23.58EntityEnigmathats really weird
19:24.23EntityEnigmai think both
19:25.32JademusSregHaving Liberty Campaign automatically includes Liberty base mod. If you have Swarm Campaign, that includes Liberty, Liberty Campaign, and Swarm, so usually ya only need one.
19:25.36ArcanePariahTo map a texture file to a slot, do I first need to create the texture data entry to map it to a slot?
19:25.47ArcanePariahAnd also, is there a list somewhere of valid slot names?
19:26.28JademusSregArc, there's at least one list compiled on mapster forums.
19:26.59EntityEnigmai guess campaign then
19:27.29EntityEnigmaliberty campaign
19:27.52JademusSregFile > Dependencies shows Liberty Campaign? Goot.
19:28.20EntityEnigmayes
19:31.05JademusSregFrom what I see, the material is fine. Actor data xml?
19:31.23EntityEnigmasec
19:32.37EntityEnigmahttps://pastee.org/22jsy
19:33.23EntityEnigmai tried adding those select texture by id messages to fix it but it didnt do anything
19:33.28EntityEnigmajust pretend they arent there
19:33.41JademusSregWithout seeing the xml, I'd say it looks like a tint with a high HDR multiplier.
19:36.35EntityEnigmai guess ill just try to see what i can dig up on the forums
19:36.45EntityEnigmathey said something about a prefix
19:36.49EntityEnigmabut not where to add it
19:37.00EntityEnigmaor what exactly it is
19:37.46EntityEnigmathx for the help
19:51.21ArcanePariahSo JademusSreg, how exactly does select by match and slot work?
19:52.01ArcanePariahIn my random example of trying how to learn it, I've mapped both glow textures of a command center model to generic01 and generic02 slots
19:52.18ArcanePariahNow how does one use select by slot or match to change those?
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19:56.40ArcanePariahBecause as I understand it, Texture declaratiosn do string matching, by first compareing Prefix to all textures on the model, and filtering to those only. From those, we do adapatations of substring matching and apply to slot. This looks at textures either defined on the model or in textures declared on the model but stored externally (depending on which checkbox you enable, usuually leave both)
19:56.59JademusSregOh, I dunno, haven't used those (relatively) newer methods, but iirc HotS campaign uses it. That or it was Herostorm. Recall seeing it used in standard, but I forget where exactly.
19:57.41JademusSregSo that's a gap in my knowledge. =D
19:57.58ArcanePariahI've foudn a few places it is used, but it makes no sense. The only way I could see it making sense is if it was used and the actor assumed certain prefixes were applied externally (so the string matching will return soemthing else then itself when using select by match or slot).
19:58.50JademusSregSounds like something expressed in the model data. Care to paste the relevant data so I can take a look without searching it out myself? =D
19:59.47ArcanePariahThe other possiblity I'm considering, is that this is used with model variations, so it may be a way for a given model variation to correctly apply the texture variations for itself. Or simply to apply texture variations to the same model.
20:00.21ArcanePariahHere is the actor on which both are used
20:00.22ArcanePariahhttps://pastee.org/ekups
20:01.25ArcanePariahHere is the model data
20:01.26ArcanePariahhttps://pastee.org/z7mgr
20:02.30ArcanePariahFor zergegg textures, there is 3 variatons for all of them (emissive,diffuse,normal,spec)
20:03.15JademusSregAre there any Texture data entries? And by variations, do you mean digits following the substring underscore?
20:03.49ArcanePariahNo Texture data entries. Yes I have zergegg_emissive_00, zergegg_emissive_01, zergegg_emissive_02
20:04.29ArcanePariahIts as if the model variation selection automatiically appends the variation number as a property to the textures, so when it does a seelect, it correctly loads the variant texture
20:06.05ArcanePariahWhat I THINK is happening here is the Select By Slot changes out the emissive, but in the process does the appending, so the following select by match are getting that info from the main slot and loading their variants as well
20:06.38JademusSreg"changes out the diffuse" Fixed.
20:06.40ArcanePariahdiffuse*
20:06.46JademusSregBut yes, haha.
20:06.55JademusSregI concur.
20:07.29JademusSregIt gets the string, triggers on the substring for that slot.
20:08.59ArcanePariahAlso, I think it does this because for all those textures, there is anothe set entirely with a campaign_ prefix. I think this select by match/slot handles that, because the campaign thing becomes a base level texture property
20:09.08ArcanePariahApplied when in campaign mode
20:09.25ArcanePariahSO this automatgically will use the alternate texture set
20:11.38JademusSregMakes a lot of assumptions, which is the inverse to a lot of structural conventions. A wider sample of data would be more informative, but whatever.
20:12.52ArcanePariahYeah, just ran a test, created 10 eggs, each was a different model variant but had perfectly matching texture variant
20:13.14ArcanePariahOr not
20:13.33ArcanePariahInteresting, model variant was one, texture variant is another, but they all are agreeing ones
20:14.55JademusSregLexical ambiguity. Clarify?
20:16.33ArcanePariahEgg has 3 variants (so Egg_00, 01, 02), and we have 3 texture set variants (zergegg_diffuse_00, 01,02, etc for other textures). each egg was created with a model varaints (so say egg_01) but an independent texture variants (zerg_diffuse_00), but all the textures for all slots are of the same varainta
20:17.30ArcanePariahAlso, changing the select by slot to select by match seemingly had no ill effect
20:17.44JademusSregGot it.
20:18.31ArcanePariahGoing to see what happens if the select by match is removed and only select by slot remains
20:18.53JademusSregTry select by slot for all of them instead.
20:19.53ArcanePariahWill do, though I have a feeling it won't do anything since select by slot with just main worked fine as well....
20:21.20ArcanePariahIOf course I'm an idoit and have been using the wrong unit....
20:21.27ArcanePariahSo ignroe everthing I just said :D
20:21.36JademusSregWill do.
20:24.28ArcanePariahOk, yeah, if you remove the select by match messages, they will use whatever variation goes with the model variation
20:24.40ArcanePariahSo if you have egg_01, it will use emissive_01
20:24.54ArcanePariahBut with select by slot/match, it will chose another at random...
20:27.58JademusSregPretty sure I understood that, but I prefer data sets, inputs, outputs, grok that much better.
20:32.30JademusSregbrb
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21:51.29DeadZerglinghey Bounty, make it out of the hospital for awhile?
23:46.38BountyWhat DeadZergling?
23:55.47DeadZerglingoh, just every time I see you lately, just out of the hospital Bounty
23:55.57Bountylol
23:58.44DeadZerglingbe back later

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