| 00:05.59 | JademusSreg | Expect players would argue enemy visibility, or rather "readability" of the enemy's profile, concerns actual gameplay. |
| 00:06.33 | DeadZergling | I know, I know, just my vision works a different way than most people's |
| 00:06.39 | DeadZergling | I can't not see movement |
| 00:06.50 | JademusSreg | Velociraptor. |
| 00:07.04 | DeadZergling | yes, I can open doors too! |
| 00:07.35 | JademusSreg | And smoke pipes whilst donning monocles. |
| 00:08.08 | DeadZergling | and fight for the future of future earth in the great human versus space dinosaur war of the Dr. Mcninja comics |
| 00:08.56 | Dustin|Work | http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/raptor-physics-destraptor.jpg |
| 00:10.34 | DeadZergling | at the very least, my image editing has improved since then, so recoloring some of the enemies shouldn't be too bad |
| 00:10.37 | JademusSreg | â¥â¤â¥ |
| 00:10.45 | DeadZergling | or I could just do the exceptionally lazy, tint color method |
| 00:10.55 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:11.14 | DeadZergling | make everything Hot Blue, Hot Pink, Hot Yellow, Hot Purple |
| 00:11.22 | DeadZergling | able to see the monsters now!? |
| 00:11.25 | JademusSreg | If it's good enough for Blizzard's Warcraft 3, good enough for whatever. |
| 00:13.20 | DeadZergling | I plan to take it fairly seriously though, he is saying these things so it is easier for others to play, know what is going on, be more popular, etc |
| 00:14.13 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 00:14.28 | DeadZergling | as some games have shown, being featured != lots of reviews/ratings/playtime |
| 00:15.34 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I deliberate over design and implementations. |
| 00:15.55 | DeadZergling | yea, i have a deliberation or two of my own in that department |
| 00:16.39 | DeadZergling | is it the sort of stuff where you kind of know what you could do, but you aren't a fan of how it'd look, so you just purposely procrastinate and refuse to even start? lol |
| 00:16.48 | DeadZergling | that is how it works for me, anyways. |
| 00:17.56 | anarch | anyone know where i can find some geographical maps with no copyright restrictions on using them |
| 00:32.53 | JademusSreg | Anarch, historical works. Or change about a third of the content so that it falls under fair use for transformative application. |
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| 06:41.49 | Merc | oh damn, did you end up sending my photoshop files to people at blizzard? |
| 06:42.00 | Merc | I suddenly feel embarassed |
| 06:45.35 | DeadZergling | yea, they wanted them asap |
| 06:53.12 | DeadZergling | probably so they can coordinate on their end, get them into a form they are happy with for spotlight |
| 06:55.05 | Merc | man, I shouldnt have made it so messy |
| 06:55.12 | Merc | all kinds of unused layers in there |
| 06:55.34 | DeadZergling | yea, i gave you full credit for it too |
| 06:55.59 | DeadZergling | I'm sure it is fine |
| 07:00.16 | DeadZergling | if I didn't have one, they'd have made one |
| 07:00.23 | DeadZergling | so I'm sure deleting a few extra layers is no problem |
| 07:00.54 | Merc | this is the equivalent of you coder types handing off dirty messy code |
| 07:01.00 | Merc | with tons of shit that has been commented out |
| 07:01.41 | DeadZergling | I know exactly what you mean, but not sure what I can do about it now? |
| 07:01.55 | Merc | suffer with me in my shame |
| 07:05.01 | DeadZergling | aye, sorry dude, I thought you knew where it was going already, and figured you had it in a state you were okay w/ it |
| 07:05.22 | Merc | I'll survive |
| 07:07.03 | DeadZergling | I have to work on it again for awhile, they want certain stuff revised a bit |
| 07:07.14 | Merc | like what? |
| 07:07.36 | DeadZergling | oh, like all prizes use cash icon to avoid confusion |
| 07:07.55 | DeadZergling | making some enemies easier to see, making the shotgun easier to see, that sort of thing |
| 07:07.58 | Merc | didnt the prizes give different powerups? |
| 07:08.46 | DeadZergling | well they just gave points, the prizes |
| 07:08.53 | Merc | ah |
| 07:08.58 | Merc | makes sense then |
| 07:09.21 | DeadZergling | he thinks that if they all used the cash icon, there would be no confusion over what boosts your fighting ability and what is just a prize |
| 07:09.41 | Merc | I see that |
| 07:09.53 | DeadZergling | yea, especially with the flower one |
| 07:09.56 | Merc | probably a good point |
| 07:09.59 | DeadZergling | im sure most people think that is flamethrower |
| 07:12.35 | DeadZergling | also suggested putting in different difficulty settings |
| 07:12.40 | DeadZergling | that could be a real PITA |
| 07:14.37 | duckies | oh, are those requests or are those their feedback points? |
| 07:15.07 | duckies | like, we played your map and here are our friendly suggestions! |
| 07:15.19 | DeadZergling | feedback, but I intend to take these ones seriously |
| 07:15.24 | DeadZergling | it isn't just some guy, it is Traysent |
| 07:15.51 | Merc | isnt he just a community manager |
| 07:16.05 | Merc | not a fancy game designer guy |
| 07:16.16 | Merc | still though, had some good points |
| 07:16.34 | duckies | ah, I see. they made some bad suggestions for bomberman map, so I'm just wondering wheither they still do the whole "we'll play your map and give you a bunch of feedback on it" |
| 07:16.51 | duckies | yeah, the cash icon is a really good suggestion |
| 07:16.57 | DeadZergling | well, most the feedback makes a lot of sense |
| 07:17.05 | DeadZergling | like he also wants the pickup text moved somewhere else |
| 07:17.10 | DeadZergling | when you get the prizes |
| 07:18.33 | DeadZergling | I'm more on the fence about that one |
| 07:18.57 | Merc | yeah not sure if that's necessary |
| 07:19.03 | DeadZergling | while it is true it clutters the map up some, it adds a lot of fun to it as well |
| 07:19.05 | duckies | it makes sense tho, to organize screen clutter |
| 07:19.05 | Merc | it wasnt really disturbing |
| 07:19.11 | DeadZergling | and it lets everyone see it at the same time easily |
| 07:19.22 | DeadZergling | the only time it is really overwhelming is in prize rooms |
| 07:19.34 | DeadZergling | and you are just grabbing prizes there, so what, lol |
| 07:19.55 | Merc | good to have a bit of sensory overload there |
| 07:19.59 | duckies | but if it was for me, I'd leave it as it is, with only exception of making font even BIGGER and BOLDER. so that they take even more screen space |
| 07:20.22 | duckies | clearly the reason why he wants them organized is because he doesn't fully comperhend their awesomeness |
| 07:21.06 | DeadZergling | well the prizes all being one model and making grey enemies brighter, and making the blaster hit the wall noise less noisy |
| 07:21.08 | DeadZergling | those all make sense |
| 07:23.09 | duckies | yes, go polish that tv to a shine dz! |
| 07:23.33 | DeadZergling | the hard difficulty will be a bit more annoying |
| 07:23.41 | DeadZergling | as I'll want to make a new monster or two for that mode |
| 07:24.56 | Merc | Get it to the point where you think it is challenging enough.. and then you double it. And smile smugly. |
| 07:26.59 | DeadZergling | I intend to make it just rude, but I can't just double units |
| 07:27.02 | DeadZergling | be lag central |
| 07:27.50 | Merc | that was a reference to how blizzard tuned diablo 3 inferno btw |
| 07:28.02 | Merc | fuckin jay wilson |
| 07:34.45 | Merc | btw, has anyone tried using Heroes models in the cutscene editor? |
| 07:41.46 | duckies | I haven't used cutscene editor at all :| |
| 07:42.04 | duckies | you can import cutscenes from one map to other, right? |
| 07:42.50 | Merc | yeah but, can you even open heroes assets in the map editor without tinkering around with them first? |
| 07:43.26 | duckies | I thought heroes to sc2 model converted was supposed to do just that? |
| 07:44.10 | Merc | yeah, so I'd basically have to convert all models from heroes to sc2 first |
| 07:44.59 | duckies | woot woot for redundant multiple gb worth dependencies cause blizz derps? :D |
| 07:45.37 | Merc | dependencies wouldnt really be an issue anyway since I want to make a video out of it |
| 07:46.48 | duckies | v_v |
| 07:47.09 | duckies | I just want to hate on blizz, don't stop me now D= |
| 07:47.17 | Merc | ok ok sry m8 |
| 07:48.08 | duckies | well, the mood is ruined anyway |
| 07:48.52 | duckies | I guess there's nothing left for me to do other than go and be a productive member of society now. thanks merc :< |
| 07:49.03 | Merc | :( |
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| 07:51.08 | DeadZergling | could try to break my shit like never before duckies |
| 07:51.12 | DeadZergling | that always makes you happy |
| 07:53.01 | duckies | but.. but it requires tiiiiiiiiiiiiiime |
| 07:53.21 | duckies | and I need time to go finally finish that bw-esque map of mine |
| 07:53.50 | duckies | god damn the final polish is so soul-destroying :| |
| 07:53.53 | DeadZergling | i thought you'd been working on it this whole time? |
| 07:55.42 | duckies | it's cause the final parts are the ones that I was leaving for later during development. So these are the titan issues that aren't really scary from implementation point, but they somehow manage to take a huge mental toll on me |
| 07:56.26 | duckies | and furthermore, they're polish issues that probably 95% of people would never encounter or be bothered with |
| 07:57.13 | duckies | but then again, I'm making map for myself, not for them, so no choice but to make it proper D= |
| 07:58.09 | DeadZergling | funny thing, we can get a lot more done when it is for others than for ourself, huh? |
| 07:58.25 | duckies | final dev week - got 5 issues on the list - taking one issue per week, 1 day to implement the solution, 4 days to destress myself by playing other games |
| 07:59.19 | DeadZergling | quite a relaxing schedule you got there duckies |
| 07:59.50 | duckies | i dun want another burnout :3 Learning to love myself more |
| 08:00.24 | HoloIRCUser | Deadz, perhaps helping others has more urgency than dicking around, as is often the case while developing. |
| 08:00.33 | duckies | also organizing notes for a next possible projetct. :D |
| 08:00.46 | DeadZergling | playing other games != helping others |
| 08:01.09 | Jademus | Oops. |
| 08:01.45 | duckies | on the other hand DZ, playing games = keeping in touch with other people, thans to my single map obsession I've gained lots of playtesters wiling to help me out =D |
| 08:02.27 | duckies | in the end it just works out nicely |
| 08:02.55 | DeadZergling | suppose, just to me, be nicer to work out all 5 issues in a few days |
| 08:03.03 | DeadZergling | then have however many days to yourself as you need |
| 08:03.18 | DeadZergling | but I don't claim to be a master of duck mentality |
| 08:03.54 | duckies | the art of duck is lost on you it seems |
| 08:04.03 | duckies | you emply zergling methods instead |
| 08:04.12 | duckies | in a way, it all makes sense! |
| 08:04.24 | duckies | *employ |
| 08:05.27 | DeadZergling | fixing the donate life button to actively revive a player, that one is a little scary |
| 08:05.37 | DeadZergling | is just so much logic crap to wade through to figure out what broke |
| 08:07.18 | duckies | at least it's logic crap, could be worse, could be crap logic |
| 08:07.46 | CrabLogic | yeah, could be waay worse |
| 08:07.57 | Jademus | What a good example of logic crap. |
| 08:10.05 | DeadZergling | the worse part is testing it afterwards |
| 08:13.31 | Jademus | Shit, 4am |
| 08:15.51 | DeadZergling | well, successful in adding a command to set any players lives to 1 instantly, at least that can help test |
| 08:18.20 | DeadZergling | too tired and bleh to make much impact on this tonight |
| 08:18.26 | DeadZergling | gonna do the unthinkable and just go to sleep |
| 08:20.26 | DeadZergling | see you around duckies, Merc, fake jade |
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| 12:03.55 | Goa_ | A1win heap implemented, now my path finding is fucking fast:D |
| 12:04.04 | A1win | yay :> |
| 12:07.33 | Goa_ | dam |
| 12:07.39 | Goa_ | it seems I still have 1-2 bugs |
| 12:08.18 | Goa_ | ohh nope |
| 12:08.35 | Goa_ | just 2million + sprites arent very handy:D |
| 12:08.43 | A1win | ;x |
| 12:09.35 | A1win | I'm wondering if I should make dynamic map generation instead of generating everything on startup, considering it'll probably take a long time and the player isn't always going to even make it to most of the content (since it has permadeath) |
| 12:10.11 | A1win | Quite a bit of extra work to stitch the maps and the navigation grids together as it loads them |
| 12:10.23 | A1win | But maybe not too much... |
| 12:17.49 | Goa_ | dam |
| 12:17.58 | Goa_ | there is room for imporvement |
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| 12:18.31 | Goa_ | takes 6 second to find no path (which is longest calc usually) on a 1k*1k grid:D |
| 12:19.20 | Goa_ | A1win it really depends on your game |
| 12:20.03 | Goa_ | if you dont need to save anything on the map you easily generate it run time, based on some seed system |
| 12:20.03 | A1win | 6 seconds for that sounds long, haha |
| 12:20.19 | Goa_ | 6 seconds for 1 million runs:) |
| 12:21.00 | Goa_ | as I need to check all the blocks cause I only blocked the path at the finish:D |
| 12:21.15 | A1win | Someone mentioned 0.8 sec to check a 2048x2048 grid, and a lot less than that to find no path from 0,0 to opposite corner |
| 12:21.32 | A1win | (in an empty grid) |
| 12:22.56 | A1win | But well, if it's fast enough for you, I guess you don't really need to optimize it further |
| 12:23.14 | Goa_ | in an empty grid it takes about 0.03 sec to calculate corners for me. |
| 12:23.53 | Goa_ | Also it really depends on what the other guy was making |
| 12:24.00 | A1win | I suppose |
| 12:24.06 | Goa_ | as I really need to check every route for my TD |
| 12:24.15 | Goa_ | and every blocks |
| 12:24.36 | Goa_ | I cant just simplify the nodes for bigger nodes... |
| 12:25.04 | A1win | But your code probably still isn't completely optimized for performance |
| 12:25.13 | Goa_ | most likely |
| 12:25.53 | A1win | Did you look at profiler? |
| 12:26.54 | Goa_ | not yet |
| 12:27.04 | Goa_ | I just finished the heap thing |
| 12:27.20 | A1win | Anyway, I don't have any personal data to compare with yet |
| 12:28.28 | Goa_ | took 0.3 sec to find no path on 256x256 grid |
| 12:28.36 | Goa_ | which is quite okey |
| 12:30.11 | A1win | If only the end is blocked, couldn't it just check two paths and find no path? Though I guess that's a very special case. Might as well have the block somewhere else. |
| 12:30.21 | A1win | But maybe two-way A* could be better |
| 12:32.07 | Goa_ | lol |
| 12:32.11 | Goa_ | found a very rare bug:D |
| 12:32.12 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_heuristic_search |
| 12:32.45 | Goa_ | its cause I dont check if the finish point blocked in a certain way... |
| 12:33.47 | Goa_ | two-way A* would be worse than 1 way in my TD |
| 12:34.10 | Goa_ | as people will maze far from targets. |
| 12:36.42 | Goa_ | Btw I will only run find path if people build on path or sell towers |
| 12:37.07 | Goa_ | that will be big performance boost to start with:D |
| 12:37.46 | A1win | Mm, I think the link I posted could work well for a TD, since the start and goal remain the same |
| 12:37.54 | A1win | Probably a lot more complex than A* though |
| 12:39.19 | Goa_ | yeah |
| 12:41.05 | A1win | http://pub1.willowgarage.com/~konolige/cs225b/dlite_tro05.pdf |
| 12:43.06 | A1win | Sounds exactly what a TD needs ;I |
| 12:43.07 | Goa_ | probably not good for me |
| 12:43.19 | A1win | Known start and end, but changing obstacles |
| 12:43.27 | Goa_ | It doesnt matter where are my enemy units |
| 12:43.30 | A1win | Well, it could be good, but probably not necessary |
| 12:43.48 | Goa_ | its only matters where the player builds and what the next wave path will look like |
| 12:44.14 | Goa_ | cause if you can change the path of the wave under the wave, its already a bad TD:D |
| 12:44.40 | A1win | I mean it'd recalculate the next path much faster because it could use the previous path data |
| 12:44.45 | A1win | A* has to do it from scratch |
| 12:45.52 | A1win | Anyway, if you can do the calculation while the mobs aren't moving, it doesn't really matter how long it takes. |
| 12:46.16 | A1win | Just need to "pause" while doing the pathfinding. |
| 12:47.21 | A1win | But anyway, I think D* would speed it up. I'm not really familiar with it but by the looks of it, it should. |
| 12:52.45 | Goa_ | Problem with D* that it wont detect fast if there is a new possible path |
| 12:52.59 | Goa_ | instead of just modifying the current |
| 12:53.08 | Goa_ | so I could use it when people sell towers |
| 12:53.13 | Goa_ | couldnt* |
| 12:54.56 | Goa_ | also path blocking would still result in the same time to find no new path |
| 12:55.07 | Goa_ | as I see |
| 12:58.32 | Goa_ | bahh |
| 12:59.04 | Goa_ | now you made me read all of these instead of just optimizing the current code and implementing it into the game.D |
| 12:59.07 | A1win | Let's invent a new pathfinding algorithm that's better than any existing one |
| 12:59.18 | Goa_ | I can improve A* to something better later |
| 12:59.36 | Goa_ | A1win if you pay me, I might:D |
| 13:00.08 | Goa_ | actually |
| 13:01.09 | Goa_ | I should be using some kind of advanced LPA* and detect if the path blocked by running something on the tower if they block the start and finish points |
| 13:01.20 | Goa_ | towers* |
| 13:02.11 | Goa_ | though making that would be probably hard |
| 13:02.52 | Goa_ | or not |
| 13:05.07 | A1win | When will you improve your game to something better than a TD? |
| 13:10.21 | Goa_ | My TD being the best ever arent enough? |
| 13:40.38 | anarch | hello |
| 13:53.14 | Goa_ | hi |
| 14:06.24 | anarch | hows the game coming along |
| 14:22.12 | Goa_ | Alwin I am down to 3 second for 1k*1k and I know what takes 2 second from it. But I have to go now:( |
| 14:24.58 | A1win | :x |
| 14:38.39 | EntityEnigma | whats the best way to modify the animation speed of a model? |
| 14:38.46 | EntityEnigma | im trying to get a beam to play faster |
| 14:39.02 | EntityEnigma | i see theres a field for speed in the model object |
| 14:39.11 | EntityEnigma | is there some way to do it in the actor? |
| 14:40.16 | A1win | It's called time scale |
| 14:40.37 | A1win | In actor messages |
| 14:41.12 | A1win | I think it's a parameter in the animation play messages, but can't remember exactly |
| 14:47.09 | EntityEnigma | thanks A1win |
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| 16:10.52 | Ashamed | awwwww duckies |
| 16:12.56 | duckies | does a quack |
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| 16:58.45 | Ashamed | awwww awww aww aw a |
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| 17:38.57 | Jademus | Good morning, Jademus. |
| 17:38.59 | JademusSreg | Good morning. |
| 17:40.52 | anarch | morning |
| 17:42.11 | JademusSreg | Setting up some new devices. If my alts are on, probably just me testing one. |
| 17:42.20 | JademusSreg | Hallo anarch. |
| 17:43.23 | anarch | hi jade |
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| 18:00.06 | Ashamed | I think I might start me a unity project -.- |
| 18:01.21 | JademusSreg | "think" "might" Sounds like there's a question somewhere. |
| 18:02.06 | Ashamed | Or just not definite? |
| 18:02.38 | anarch | do it! :D |
| 18:02.57 | Ashamed | I have a good idea for a pvp type snake game for mobile -.- |
| 18:03.34 | JademusSreg | Infinipede |
| 18:03.44 | anarch | the human infinipede |
| 18:04.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:04.37 | Ashamed | aaaaw that would be scary |
| 18:05.37 | Ashamed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhI64Dk-c7o |
| 18:05.51 | Ashamed | 500 |
| 18:05.54 | Ashamed | !!!! |
| 18:07.10 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of an afterlife management sim. The structure you'd build for gluttony was precisely what anarch described. |
| 18:09.28 | Ashamed | Game I want to create will be roughly based on the ideas of snake ha.. I was going to replace the snakes with artist lines.. like paint/color pencil/markers/etc... |
| 18:09.45 | Ashamed | so unfortunatly it won't quite be a human infinipede :( |
| 18:10.56 | JademusSreg | How would it differ in mechanics? |
| 18:19.20 | Ashamed | Mechanics will be the same.. but I wouldn't concider it a human infinipede as its going to be a single line that represents your "snake" |
| 18:23.07 | JademusSreg | That gives me an amusing idea, but I digress. |
| 18:23.21 | Ashamed | -.- dont be taking my idea Jade |
| 18:23.25 | Ashamed | i will bite you! |
| 18:23.54 | Ashamed | You made that pvp snake game for sc2 |
| 18:23.58 | Ashamed | don't think I dont remember |
| 18:25.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, no take, merely inspired an idea. |
| 18:33.43 | Ashamed | what you thinking? |
| 18:34.09 | Ashamed | the game i want to make I can see becoming really popular I have a few simple ideas to make it fun and competative but also simple and not overloaded |
| 18:35.00 | A1win | While we're talking about Unity projects (what else), JademusSreg hasn't seen my current one, a shooter/roguelike hybrid. http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/np/np00026.jpg |
| 18:35.07 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/np/gif/np00031.gif low quality gif |
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| 18:40.31 | A1win | Or better quality with still camera http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/np/gif/np00027.gif |
| 18:41.23 | A1win | Just saw Whiplash, was good. |
| 18:42.02 | JademusSreg | I like it. |
| 18:45.16 | anarch | thats interesting |
| 18:45.40 | anarch | i like the lighting effect |
| 18:48.24 | JademusSreg | Usually I'd have more to say, but besides liking what I see, limited information prevents me from indulging in my usual whimsical, abrasive design discussion. |
| 18:48.40 | A1win | Hehe |
| 18:48.56 | A1win | It's just a few days of work so far, and I haven't paid enough time on design yet. |
| 18:49.42 | JademusSreg | I'd take my liking it as a great indicator of its potential. |
| 18:50.27 | DeadZergling | don't take it to the bank though A1win , he also likes dentures in his burritos |
| 18:50.33 | A1win | Been pondering on a survival mechanic. Hunger timer is annoying, chasing enemies works (FTL/L4D style) but not so sure about it... latest idea is a kind of a mist that spreads from the start of the map like creep, and bad stuff happens while on it. I think I like that the most so far but not completely sure. |
| 18:51.08 | A1win | I have some ideas how to make the graphics "better", but I think I'll stick to the abstract style so I can do it myself and quickly. |
| 18:51.16 | DeadZergling | is the source of the mist still bothering you, A1win ? |
| 18:51.24 | A1win | Dunno |
| 18:52.55 | JademusSreg | Instead of making hunger a burden mechanic, could treat it as an opportunity to make the player stronger or weaker. A number of games have Well-Rested bonuses, some have Well-Fed I expect. |
| 18:53.34 | DeadZergling | I can appreciate the vision being the best in front of your guy A1win , but will your audience be able to appreciate that? |
| 18:53.57 | DeadZergling | or are you going to take this to FPS? |
| 18:54.01 | JademusSreg | Limited information is essential to horror; not explaining and leaving the audience uncertain is more effective at establishing baseline tension. |
| 18:54.23 | JademusSreg | Which is to say I wouldn't care about the source of the mist. |
| 18:55.28 | A1win | DeadZergling, that's a weird question. |
| 18:55.57 | DeadZergling | the shredder dropped a canister of ooze at your front door, and the toxic mist from the mutagens keeps spreading, avoid it if you don't want radical super powers |
| 18:56.14 | JademusSreg | Laaaaame. |
| 18:56.14 | anarch | or some kiknd of combination |
| 18:56.23 | JademusSreg | Also, funny/ |
| 18:56.30 | anarch | like you kill an enemy and they start emitting a poison gas or mist :P |
| 18:56.43 | anarch | so it matters where you kill them |
| 18:56.45 | anarch | or where you avoid them |
| 18:56.50 | DeadZergling | not a fan of that anarch, I support exploding enemies more |
| 18:56.57 | anarch | thats fine :D |
| 18:57.03 | anarch | just a whimscicle idea |
| 18:57.08 | A1win | This directional line of sight feels much more natural than for example Starbound's directional movement speed that they added for some reason. |
| 18:57.31 | DeadZergling | right, but what is natural about having that vision from a third person perspective? |
| 18:57.31 | A1win | Because you can actually see this line of sight area following your cursor / the direction of your thumb stick |
| 18:57.54 | anarch | yea i think the perspective is fine |
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| 18:58.04 | anarch | sort of reminds me vaguely of Zelda link to the past in the dark dungeon areas |
| 18:58.31 | A1win | Will see how it feels once I actually have enemies that come from the dark |
| 18:58.48 | anarch | the goal is a horror game? |
| 18:59.01 | DeadZergling | aye, just a thought I had from viewing your gif |
| 18:59.13 | A1win | Well I guess you can call it that. Mystery rather than horror, I suppos.e |
| 18:59.30 | DeadZergling | at least to me, having the screen not so centered |
| 18:59.35 | Ashamed | a trap? |
| 18:59.37 | DeadZergling | just showing what is directly in front of you |
| 18:59.46 | DeadZergling | would feel better |
| 18:59.56 | A1win | It would feel like shit. |
| 19:00.03 | anarch | yea i agree, i wouldnt think that would be good |
| 19:00.09 | anarch | because too easy to be blindsided instantly |
| 19:00.12 | A1win | I'm not even going to test it, haha |
| 19:00.25 | anarch | plus your character would at least sense (hear?) things approaching right behind him, and maybe see from periferal vision |
| 19:00.32 | DeadZergling | then what is the point of calling it mystery/horror? |
| 19:00.46 | DeadZergling | just call it sprite shooter |
| 19:01.27 | A1win | I'm not calling it anything, just using those words as reference of what it might become like |
| 19:02.13 | anarch | mind if i ask how difficult it was to implement that type of LoS? |
| 19:02.19 | A1win | Mystery is typical for roguelikes. Learning all the knowledge about the game is necessary before you can start to learn to play it optimally. |
| 19:02.23 | anarch | it seems perfect for an RTS type game |
| 19:02.28 | anarch | which i know is not what youre going for |
| 19:02.46 | JademusSreg | The Copenhagen interpretation of game mechanics: Shut-up and develop. |
| 19:03.00 | A1win | Took me about a day of researching some existing algorithms, getting to understand how they work, and then write most of it myself. |
| 19:03.28 | anarch | is the map based on a grid? |
| 19:03.38 | anarch | so it illuminates X tiles in each direction? |
| 19:03.58 | A1win | It's basically just a Bresenham line algorithm that's cast to every tile on the border of a rectangle around the player, and as those lines pass the tiles, they mark the tiles lit. |
| 19:04.39 | A1win | The partial occlusion is just a simple iteration of neighbor tiles at the edge of the revealed area. Not sure if I'm happy with that since it's a bit rectangular in some cases. |
| 19:08.18 | A1win | Anyway, been trying to figure out what to do next (and playing Don't Starve Together), hopefully I can actually start doing something once I get back home after the weekend. |
| 19:08.51 | A1win | I guess an enemy that can attack and then pathfinding |
| 19:09.22 | A1win | I don't think I'll give guns to enemies, wouldn't make for a very good survival game if you can die instantly to a bullet (and wouldn't make for a very good shooter game if you couldn't) |
| 19:09.32 | A1win | But other kinds of projectiles that can be avoided |
| 19:09.52 | A1win | Player should also have stuff that makes use of physics, one of the reasons why I wanted an abstract theme |
| 19:09.56 | JademusSreg | I'll reserve my suggestions until asked. I know how annoying unsolicited ideas can be. =D |
| 19:09.59 | A1win | Can make things bounce and stuff |
| 19:10.06 | anarch | so you can use the darkness to your advantage, and attack from their sides/back to limit their ability to dodge :) |
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| 19:10.27 | A1win | JademusSreg, I don't think I'd find them annoying, hehe |
| 19:10.37 | pirate | what, no zolden? |
| 19:10.53 | JademusSreg | I would, hah. |
| 19:15.54 | A1win | Anyway, don't have many plans yet, except I plan not to do excessive inventory management stuff. Just need to find a fine line between available options and how many of them you can "carry" with you. |
| 19:21.29 | DeadZergling | enemy guns in games, typically a slow moving dodgeable projectile, or do very little damage to give you time to locate the shooter |
| 19:24.18 | DeadZergling | or have some obscenely long gun aim/shows they are aiming sequence, followed by instant shots |
| 19:24.33 | DeadZergling | we allow logic to be stretched extremely far for this one... |
| 19:31.31 | pirate | friends and loose associates-- who wants to give me feedback on something utterly unrelated to sc2 development? :D |
| 19:34.18 | DeadZergling | depends how much work is required on my part to give you said feedback? |
| 19:35.31 | DeadZergling | today I have little patience, and the attention span of a cheese sandwich, you see |
| 19:36.33 | pirate | 71 second youtube video |
| 19:36.40 | pirate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iA5izCj3Ns |
| 19:36.47 | pirate | Im looking for immediate thoughts |
| 19:37.14 | pirate | brb, errands for an hour |
| 19:38.58 | DeadZergling | My immediate thoughts are... ummmmm, What? |
| 19:39.30 | DeadZergling | The hell did I just watch |
| 19:41.58 | A1win | It kind of lacks information about what the viewer gets out of it, I think. |
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| 21:16.39 | Ashamed | anyone ever hear of a lumbersexual? |
| 21:31.34 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 21:31.43 | Dustin|Work | Dendrapheliac |
| 21:41.45 | pirate | both valuable pieces of feedback |
| 21:43.49 | DeadZergling | pirate, while it conveyed what the videos were going to be about, it forgot to tell me why I should care about them |
| 21:44.22 | pirate | yeah |
| 21:44.32 | pirate | good point |
| 21:46.09 | DeadZergling | let me know if you want reactions to a revised version or anything, I'll be as honest while still being constructive as I can :) |
| 21:48.43 | pirate | absolutely, though it might be a few days before I can edit together a revision |
| 21:53.01 | DeadZergling | anyone able to help me do a test that requires 2 players for Death TV? I will be the master of lagginess, so preferrably someone who has no problem killing Boss 1 is preferred :) |
| 21:53.11 | DeadZergling | basically just going to have me die in 2 different situations, see if I revive properly |
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| 21:54.58 | DeadZergling | well scratch that, someone awful at the game would work too, I can give you infinite lives... |
| 21:55.12 | DeadZergling | just has to be 2 people for this particular test |
| 22:07.27 | DeadZergling | oh well, maybe I'll get a tester later |
| 22:08.21 | DeadZergling | anyone know of a good canvas model in the game? the billboards aren't bad, but the stuff supporting them makes it unuseable as a floor tile or to hang on a wall without some extra ugliness |
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| 22:22.20 | pirate | jade has blank pane models somewhere |
| 22:31.39 | duckies | deadzergling tester prepared |
| 22:39.59 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 22:41.12 | DeadZergling | just testing the revival system in Death TV, it was a little broken |
| 22:41.22 | duckies | no announcement when player leaves the game, 0/10 |
| 22:41.53 | duckies | he has a really nice voice tho |
| 22:41.55 | duckies | *_* |
| 22:43.05 | DeadZergling | keep reminding me duckies |
| 22:43.12 | DeadZergling | I'll see about adding something for when a player leaves |
| 22:44.15 | duckies | yay I'm useful ï¼*´â½ï½*ï¼ |
| 22:46.01 | DeadZergling | I'll try to remember to add something at home, where the screens are easier to navigate |
| 22:46.10 | DeadZergling | i have a few sound files I can use for that situation |
| 22:58.25 | JademusSreg | Ah, as pirate mentioned, I've got various template models. Including blank squares that support diffuse, specular, emissive, and normal. And have simple physics geometry that makes them walkable for units. |
| 23:10.29 | DeadZergling | so do they support like a 512 by 512 image on one side only? |
| 23:11.42 | JademusSreg | They only have one side, and they support any scale texture. |
| 23:12.09 | DeadZergling | cool, I'm hoping to add the tutorial start screen into the damned floor of Death TV at the start for a few rounds |
| 23:12.18 | DeadZergling | there can be no excuse for their inability to play, none! |
| 23:12.47 | DeadZergling | are they available somewhere, or can you PM me that please? :) |
| 23:13.38 | JademusSreg | I'll link it, and I'll explain how to use them (if needed) later. |
| 23:15.20 | JademusSreg | Did you want an opaque tile or a splat? |
| 23:16.27 | DeadZergling | how about both, then I can decide what works best? I am mainly aiming to add banners and tutorials with it |
| 23:16.37 | JademusSreg | Alright. On moment. |
| 23:18.37 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Templates.7z |
| 23:19.29 | JademusSreg | Can't bother to explain them atm, but you'll probably figure them out. If not, I'll troubleshoot when I'm available. |
| 23:23.42 | DeadZergling | main guess is I import all of it into the base folder, then texture swap by ID what I want? |
| 23:26.03 | JademusSreg | That is one way to use em, yes. |
| 23:26.27 | JademusSreg | I usually use templates to manufacture different assets and avoid texture swaps that way. |
| 23:26.42 | JademusSreg | (Also necessary when swaps are not an option.) |
| 23:27.43 | JademusSreg | Started compiling template models around the time of the Cloudspokes competition. =D |
| 23:32.56 | DeadZergling | if only they gave you this long for your entry, you might have taken first from me :) |
| 23:34.19 | DeadZergling | I still find it hilarious I was the only one who didn't jump right into it, and somehow I took first |
| 23:36.45 | JademusSreg | One month is miniscule timeframe, enough said. =D |
| 23:36.58 | DeadZergling | it wasn't a month, we got a week, lol |
| 23:37.33 | DeadZergling | in other news, this is going to be a fun meal |
| 23:37.36 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, I'm dumb. Yeah, a week is effectively impossible. |
| 23:37.54 | DeadZergling | i just put pepper flakes in my tea and sugar into my beef and rice |
| 23:39.23 | DeadZergling | yea, it really was, I had to cut out a feature or two because I simply had no time |
| 23:41.05 | DeadZergling | bleh, well the sugar touched regions of the meal are basically ruined, lol |
| 23:52.32 | Dustin|Work | Just toss it all back in the skillet and let it turn into a nice glaze |
| 23:52.34 | Dustin|Work | :D |
