| 00:01.05 | anarch | so if i understand correctly, in the context of a computer simulation, each creature would have 2 sets of genes |
| 00:01.25 | anarch | and when theyreproduce with another creature, there is a crossover effect where it recombines with not only theiractive DNA |
| 00:01.29 | anarch | but also their secondary DNA |
| 00:01.38 | anarch | which may not be actually visible/acive in the creature |
| 00:02.07 | anarch | so it can bring out traits that are not necessarily visible in the parents? |
| 00:05.01 | Zolden | yes, each creature has 2 copies, but they are equal |
| 00:06.02 | Zolden | each allele (few genes) can be mutated and not work, this makes it secondary, because the working copy kinda dominating |
| 00:06.20 | Zolden | when they redroduce, they do crossover, yes |
| 00:07.11 | Zolden | so, it's about 50/50, randomly from first or second copy of the whole genome comes to the kid |
| 00:07.25 | Zolden | and this is the power of the sexual reproduction |
| 00:08.00 | Zolden | one good genome, that developed in one creature, can spread along population, combining with other good genes |
| 00:08.48 | Zolden | and yes, parents may not show features, that their kids show, because those were recessive genes |
| 00:09.29 | Zolden | that's the reason why having kids with cousines may be a curse for the kids |
| 00:10.25 | anarch | what exactly makes a gene recessive? |
| 00:10.49 | anarch | it sounds like broken genes become recessive, as the functional one takes over or dominates? |
| 00:10.53 | anarch | forgive me if i am slow |
| 00:10.57 | anarch | trying to understand all if this |
| 00:11.23 | Zolden | you right about being confused, becasue there are different kinds of recessiveness |
| 00:11.46 | Zolden | one is when the second copy is broken (mutated), and simply doesn't work |
| 00:12.19 | Zolden | but sometimes there are more complex mechanisms, like when the product of the first gene copy slows down the second one's production |
| 00:12.37 | Zolden | it's better to read the wiki about dominant/recessive alleles |
| 00:13.30 | anarch | i will |
| 00:14.11 | Zolden | it was the only part of genetics I had questions, so I asked a couple of bloggers, who, as I knew, are genetitians, so they explained a bit |
| 00:15.45 | anarch | question |
| 00:15.59 | Zolden | after all, in the model, I made it almost naturally, but added a dominance coefficient, that can slowly change, so better genes may statistically develop higher dominance, and if there are multiple variations in the allele, and all of them are good, they still may be rated differently, and if meet each other in one organism as copies, they will be able to work bassed on their dominance factors |
| 00:16.02 | Zolden | yea, ask |
| 00:17.57 | anarch | in the computer simulation, a gene wouldnt become broken? wouldnt a mutade gene just have unforseen effects but not neccessarily broken? |
| 00:18.07 | anarch | mutated* |
| 00:19.52 | Zolden | it can become completely broken |
| 00:20.03 | Zolden | i'm sure, 99% mutations brake the genes |
| 00:20.15 | Zolden | and every creature has mutation |
| 00:21.33 | Zolden | this is hiw reproduction happens: 40% best ones create kids to fill the population up to 100%. Every kid has mutations after recieving genes from his parents. Parents have mutations too after they are done buttraping each other |
| 00:22.21 | anarch | i understand the mutations may have adverse effects that make the creature no longer viable. is this what you consider to be a broken gene? |
| 00:22.38 | anarch | or am i to understand a broken gene as a gene that does not have an effect on the creature because the data is invalid? |
| 00:23.41 | Zolden | mutation can't make it invalid, they just make the creature not viable (if it was important gene, that has not so good copy) |
| 00:25.17 | Zolden | so yeah, all mutation are still valid genes, still do its math, no divisions by zeroes or something is possible |
| 00:25.22 | anarch | ok it makes sense to me now. |
| 00:25.26 | Zolden | good |
| 00:25.53 | anarch | is the plant experiment the next one? |
| 00:30.52 | Zolden | maybe second next |
| 00:31.04 | Zolden | I planned to have next about predators and rabbits |
| 00:31.43 | Zolden | if that work as good as this one, I could go straight to plants |
| 00:34.45 | anarch | plant food wil spawn randomly |
| 00:34.52 | anarch | rabbits must eat the food |
| 00:34.57 | anarch | and foxes will hunt the rabbits? |
| 00:41.41 | Zolden | yes, this kind of stuff |
| 00:42.32 | Zolden | I though about a way for predators to kill, and attack to consume their energy, but killing anyone would give food |
| 00:42.38 | Zolden | have to think about it more |
| 00:43.01 | Zolden | to make it simple, but yet full of potential strategies |
| 00:50.44 | anarch | lots of potential there |
| 00:50.48 | anarch | for different ideas |
| 00:53.41 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:54.03 | Zolden | hope gamedev experience help to balance it all fast |
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| 10:56.36 | Goa_ | duckies any idea what description could I add to my wisp escape like game: http://pasteboard.co/2kUTZR4d.png |
| 10:56.47 | Goa_ | its kinda matters lot cause keywords... |
| 10:58.22 | duckies | hmhm, keywords eh |
| 11:00.28 | duckies | dodge, obstacle course, maze... I have no friggin clue about this one D= |
| 11:00.52 | duckies | marketing is hard .-. |
| 11:01.23 | duckies | since it's finished can you drop a few screens? :o |
| 11:07.34 | Goa_ | not much changed:D |
| 11:08.09 | Goa_ | maze is not bad keyword |
| 11:08.18 | Goa_ | but nothing is mazy in my game:D |
| 11:09.23 | duckies | I suspect level design is maze-y? |
| 11:09.38 | Goa_ | no |
| 11:09.43 | duckies | ok |
| 11:09.48 | duckies | then go with "corridors" |
| 11:09.49 | duckies | :D |
| 11:09.50 | Goa_ | its pure skill game:D |
| 11:10.18 | duckies | but .. but navigating a maze-y environment is a skill too t_t |
| 11:13.08 | Goa_ | fucking shit |
| 11:13.17 | Goa_ | my other game on IOS bugs |
| 11:15.41 | duckies | =| |
| 11:27.15 | Goa_ | it probably bugs cause I use linq |
| 11:27.17 | Goa_ | pff |
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| 16:03.47 | Rommper | TwoDie, Today will come new version with entire new Terrain of HolyArk, and choosable gameplay mode (classic-as it was before; modern-no selection limit+rally point+5 building queue) |
| 16:06.47 | Zolden | OMG LOL |
| 16:06.51 | Zolden | NO QUEUE |
| 16:06.59 | Zolden | launches nuke to Rommper |
| 16:07.14 | Rommper | are you retarded Zolden or what? |
| 16:07.27 | Zolden | destroys TwoDie for being tolerate |
| 16:07.34 | Rommper | do you know what is CHOOSABLE |
| 16:07.41 | Zolden | Rommper you nuked, you can't talk, you're glass |
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| 16:43.52 | TwoDie | :D |
| 16:44.33 | TwoDie | zolden in his cage |
| 16:44.33 | TwoDie | http://i.imgur.com/cPLmaSj.gif |
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| 17:53.13 | Obscene | 01010010d |
| 17:53.58 | ArcanePariah | Random binary message? |
| 17:54.17 | ArcanePariah | 52d??? |
| 17:57.58 | Zolden | Obscene good for you |
| 17:58.10 | Obscene | lol |
| 17:58.33 | Zolden | why is there so mayn 71s in your ip? |
| 17:58.37 | Obscene | So many jokes could be made, however they are all rather crude |
| 17:58.52 | Obscene | Because I am awesome and the great PC loves me... it hates your guts though |
| 17:58.54 | Zolden | ArcanePariah how do you like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmSTNu0Zjh8 |
| 17:59.27 | Obscene | Sunset overdrive = best game in several years |
| 17:59.57 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, interesting, classic collision detection. |
| 18:01.33 | Obscene | You will need a magic weapon that will never ever miss. |
| 18:01.39 | ArcanePariah | I assume you will add in mutations eventually (ie a ball that destroys the lines instead?) |
| 18:01.48 | ArcanePariah | or a ball that kills other balls around it. |
| 18:02.08 | Obscene | So what are you up to zolden, aside from the collision? |
| 18:02.12 | Zolden | yes, there will be more complex experiments |
| 18:02.22 | Zolden | thos one's first, and pretty simple |
| 18:02.34 | Zolden | Obscene just doing some little coding in unity |
| 18:02.48 | ArcanePariah | You should check at folding@home and other such modeling projects |
| 18:03.07 | Obscene | Ah, gotcha. I hate easter :P |
| 18:03.09 | Zolden | folding@home? is it email adress? |
| 18:03.23 | Zolden | Obscene what you like? wester? |
| 18:03.23 | ArcanePariah | No, distributed computing project, they model protein folding |
| 18:03.31 | Obscene | I'm american. |
| 18:03.41 | Zolden | ArcanePariah oh, it's too biological |
| 18:04.12 | Zolden | my evolution simulation belongs to computer science |
| 18:04.25 | Zolden | it's about AI synthesis |
| 18:09.20 | Obscene | does anyone here still map for starcraft 2? |
| 18:09.36 | Zolden | yea, a couple of us do |
| 18:09.55 | Obscene | Ah cool. I wish the computers at work could handle it I would do some while sitting around |
| 18:09.57 | Zolden | me, Goa_ and A1win went to unity |
| 18:10.13 | Obscene | Well, I guess I don't have nearly enough time anymore though :/ |
| 18:10.15 | Zolden | at work? you work? |
| 18:10.24 | Obscene | Yeah, I work at a major car dealership |
| 18:10.27 | Goa_ | work is overrated:D |
| 18:10.29 | Obscene | for like the past year |
| 18:10.30 | Zolden | do you have a boss? |
| 18:10.40 | Obscene | Yeah, hes a dick, and I have told him to fuck off many times |
| 18:10.47 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, everyone has a boss. It is called your bank. |
| 18:10.49 | Zolden | is he black? |
| 18:10.56 | Obscene | no, hes mexican |
| 18:11.12 | Zolden | ArcanePariah becasue everyone has a credit? |
| 18:11.16 | Obscene | I unofficially run the photo department :P |
| 18:11.35 | Obscene | And am being looked at to build a new department for recycling that will generation 30-50k profits per month |
| 18:11.41 | ArcanePariah | No, because you have to put your money somewhere |
| 18:11.48 | Obscene | generate* |
| 18:11.50 | ArcanePariah | And under your bed is the worst place imaginable. |
| 18:12.05 | Obscene | I know nothing about re-selling used car parts :/ |
| 18:12.29 | Zolden | ArcanePariah why is bank == boss? boss commands, bank holds money, where is common properties? |
| 18:12.46 | Zolden | lol Obscene |
| 18:12.51 | ArcanePariah | Your bank account very much commands what you can do. |
| 18:13.04 | Obscene | My bank account doesn't tell me jack shit... becaus eI am broke as hell |
| 18:13.18 | ArcanePariah | In which case, it is like the boss who always tells you no. |
| 18:13.20 | Obscene | After bills I have roughly $100 left over, and that goes to eating lunch |
| 18:13.21 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:13.34 | Zolden | ArcanePariah oh, i see what you mean |
| 18:13.47 | Obscene | I should probably ask for a raise.... |
| 18:14.12 | ArcanePariah | Boss = entity who dictates what you can and cannot do. Bank account - dictates a great deal of what you can and can not do. |
| 18:14.32 | Obscene | Well does that mean my second personality that try to tell me what to do is my boss? |
| 18:14.38 | Obscene | or is it the third personality |
| 18:14.42 | ArcanePariah | Most put up with the former to be free of the latter. |
| 18:14.52 | Obscene | Though they prett ymuch just argue, until I tell them to stfu and go with whichever |
| 18:15.00 | ArcanePariah | Because boss at work isn't around all day. Your bank account is with you always. |
| 18:15.30 | Obscene | My boss at work is never around... he doesn't do jack shit for my department, except fuck up in every situation. |
| 18:15.52 | Obscene | He literally insults me and than asks me for advice on what to do... |
| 18:16.17 | Obscene | Hes only 28 though, hes just too young for the job :P |
| 18:16.30 | Obscene | Plus I am extremely difficult to lead |
| 18:16.50 | ArcanePariah | Get used to it. More people are of that age, and % is merely growing in the workforce. |
| 18:17.06 | Obscene | Well I am 22. but mentally much older than he is :P |
| 18:17.26 | Zolden | ArcanePariah I'd expand it to the materialistic laws of the universe, gravity fucking limits my movements, and hides a surprize death under each breakaway |
| 18:17.40 | Obscene | uhh. death isn't my boss, i am immortal |
| 18:17.44 | Zolden | energy conservation law is a boss of bosses |
| 18:18.14 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, under that logic, there is only 1 boss then. |
| 18:18.15 | ArcanePariah | Time |
| 18:18.32 | ArcanePariah | The one thing we can not make more of. |
| 18:18.40 | Obscene | Also there are multiple theories that claim that the universe, including all laws within are not real, but however are created by your own mind. |
| 18:19.02 | ArcanePariah | Impossible to verify, due to relativity |
| 18:19.35 | Obscene | It's all impossible to verify:P when you think about it, there is no way to actually prove anything |
| 18:19.50 | Obscene | There can always be a new window to enter when you think you have it against the wall |
| 18:21.00 | Obscene | if we can store music on a compac disc, why cant we store a mans intelligence and ideas on one? |
| 18:22.56 | Obscene | I love using bullshit for the sole purpose of confusing people. |
| 18:24.18 | Obscene | Now for the real reason I came here.... Is there a way to create a bot to pull information from a website to a spreadsheet? If I don't own the site at hand |
| 18:28.55 | Zolden | Dustin and Ashamed - people who can help |
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| 18:49.30 | Veratai | hello folks |
| 18:50.40 | Veratai | ArcanePariah, hey there :) |
| 20:13.29 | Zolden | anarch u here? |
| 20:15.16 | Zolden | added genes visualization interface, to view genetic networks of alive organisms http://i.imgur.com/vrwmZfP.png |
| 20:26.00 | anarch | Zolden how doesit work? |
| 20:27.33 | Zolden | anarch magnetic repulsing between nodes with pulling by the connections |
| 20:27.48 | Zolden | i can send you the build to play |
| 20:28.01 | anarch | sure |
| 20:28.11 | anarch | and what do thenodes represent? |
| 20:28.36 | Zolden | btw, I checked what reddit thinks, he likes http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/31idqb/im_building_evolution_based_ai_toolkit_to/ |
| 20:29.29 | Zolden | anarch white circles - enzimes, colorful little circles - genes, lines - connections between enzimes created by the genes |
| 20:30.14 | Zolden | line of enzimes in the bottom - income from senses, 4 at the top - output |
| 20:30.21 | Zolden | *input |
| 20:34.54 | anarch | so that graph represents the genes of 1 creature, yes? |
| 20:35.17 | anarch | i mean, genes/enzymes/connections ect of 1 creature |
| 20:35.40 | Zolden | yes |
| 20:35.48 | Zolden | 1 copy of 2 |
| 20:36.07 | Zolden | though, they must look close |
| 21:37.07 | TwoDie | http://imgur.com/gallery/OJTwZuc |
| 23:00.24 | Bounty | peow |
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