| 00:03.59 | DeadZergling | the header is the name of the actual item though, is a bit important |
| 00:04.11 | Bounty | I know DeadZergling |
| 00:04.13 | Bounty | what I am saying is |
| 00:04.20 | Bounty | put that in the description section |
| 00:04.30 | Bounty | and not in the header section |
| 00:04.40 | Bounty | Because it seems that whatever scales the header, is not working properly |
| 00:04.54 | Bounty | while the rest of the text in the box gets scaled correctly. |
| 00:04.59 | Bounty | make sense DeadZergling? |
| 00:05.19 | DeadZergling | yes, just the box itself isn't scaling properly either, lol |
| 00:06.07 | Bounty | oh, its going beyond the minimap (which is what you don't want?) |
| 00:06.30 | Bounty | was Jade able to remedy either of the two issues? |
| 00:06.57 | DeadZergling | haha nope, the picture reveals he actually created a new one |
| 00:07.27 | Bounty | You could create a custom tooltip box via dialog items DeadZergling |
| 00:07.50 | Bounty | Which I would suggest you do honestly, can make them look a lot better. |
| 00:12.20 | DeadZergling | that's true, but my UI sucking skills are legendary |
| 00:12.21 | anarch | hey any unity people in here? |
| 00:13.28 | Bounty | Just find a cooler looking box image DeadZergling, not hard |
| 00:13.30 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:13.37 | Bounty | plenty to choose from |
| 00:17.54 | DeadZergling | stealing one isn't an option, and I think you are underestimating how much work it would take, lol |
| 00:18.46 | Bounty | how am I? |
| 00:19.09 | Bounty | You can use the text you entered in data and display it in trigger created dialog items yes? |
| 00:19.29 | Bounty | It would be an extremely short trigger |
| 00:20.02 | Bounty | "Value from Data Table" |
| 00:20.19 | Bounty | or catalog |
| 00:23.23 | Bounty | in other news... apparently this shit happened http://6abc.com/news/woman-accused-of-cutting-baby-from-pregnant-womans-womb/564120/ |
| 00:23.48 | Bounty | I think crimes like that warrant the use of torture by the state lol |
| 00:26.49 | DeadZergling | perhaps, that one should be punished rather severely |
| 00:28.47 | Bounty | Can have a job for the sick bastards who want to torture people so they don't go off and do it to innocents. |
| 00:28.54 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:49.30 | DeadZergling | hehe cool, they got entire sites dedicated to editing the original doom 2. That are still being used! Guess i shouldn't be shocked, if starcraft 2 has people still has people editing for it |
| 01:00.57 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 01:08.53 | Repo | New announcement: Warcraft: Armies Of Azeroth Update - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/warcraft-armies-of-azeroth-update/ |
| 01:13.23 | Bounty | JademusSreg.. if matter cannot be created and we're made of matter... where do the atoms come from that make up a human from conception to adulthood? lol |
| 01:13.32 | Bounty | Random question I know but I figured you might know. |
| 01:13.49 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 01:14.56 | Bounty | I'm serious, I don't understand how you can go from a fetus to a adult human without creating matter (or at least pulling from a pool of available atoms) |
| 01:15.07 | JademusSreg | Won't bother going deep into thermodynamic conservation, and instead offer something more entertaining. |
| 01:15.49 | JademusSreg | Oh, wow, that's even more... more beyond what I expected. |
| 01:16.23 | Bounty | Thats what I meant in my original question, probably didn't word it properly though. |
| 01:18.34 | JademusSreg | Natural chemical processes and by extension all life can be said to deconstruct and construct molecules. The molecules are composed of atoms, As Seen On The Periodic Table Of Elementsâ¢. |
| 01:19.00 | JademusSreg | Chemical shit happens to get atoms from other molecules. Da end. |
| 01:19.43 | Bounty | So they're not created, they are pulled from a pool of available atoms? |
| 01:20.33 | JademusSreg | Regarding conservation of energy, its rather like how debt moves through an economy. Can't create or destroy energy, but it can be borrowed with interest fees. |
| 01:20.38 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 01:21.00 | Bounty | Ok... so... |
| 01:21.27 | Bounty | Does that make reincarnation a probable or at least possible reality? |
| 01:22.03 | JademusSreg | And atoms aren't so permanent as one might expect. Energy <-> matter, basically. Atoms of radioactive isotopes can decay into other particles / energetic emissions. |
| 01:22.31 | JademusSreg | Sure, at least insofar as The Stuff keeps changing forms. |
| 01:22.34 | Dustin|Work | All about the electrons baby |
| 01:22.54 | Bounty | Wow, I was not expecting that response Jade haha |
| 01:23.01 | Bounty | Thought I was crazy for thinking this |
| 01:23.02 | Dustin|Work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos |
| 01:23.05 | Bounty | It seems to make sense |
| 01:23.26 | Dustin|Work | Bounty, energy never dies |
| 01:23.30 | Bounty | The other night I was thinking about why its so hard to imagine not existing |
| 01:23.34 | JademusSreg | Any egotistic notion of preservation, of maintaining some essential Thing, well, that's only likely as The Stuff's capacity to robustly encode data. |
| 01:23.39 | Bounty | and how weird it is that we're alive "now". |
| 01:23.52 | ArcanePariah | Bounty, virtually everything is limited by one single thing, how much energy you can apply. I can build a star trek replicator TODAY with modern engineering. |
| 01:23.54 | Bounty | like... the chances of being alive now are sooo against you |
| 01:23.55 | JademusSreg | Self-replicating polymers like RNA/DNA are pretty good in that department. |
| 01:24.30 | ArcanePariah | But... to make a replicator work, would need the same thing Star Trek has, fusion reactors at my disposal. |
| 01:24.36 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 01:24.48 | Dustin|Work | We're just little blobs of mass and energy floating on a spinning rock skyrocketing through open space, ya shit's cray |
| 01:24.54 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 01:25.09 | ArcanePariah | spinning through open space* |
| 01:25.11 | JademusSreg | The universe is fucking bizarrem if one spends any time considering it. |
| 01:25.17 | ArcanePariah | As part of multiple orbits |
| 01:25.49 | Dustin|Work | So much spinning inception |
| 01:25.54 | Bounty | Ok so me thinking and coming to the conclusion that there is no such thing as "death" in the sense that we think of it is plausible? |
| 01:26.18 | Bounty | not sure why i've been thinking about this lately though haha |
| 01:26.34 | JademusSreg | It's analogous to life floating about inside the hollowed volumes of an immense cosmic-scale sponge. |
| 01:26.39 | JademusSreg | *Its |
| 01:27.24 | JademusSreg | We're at the bottom of a dark, wet, stone well. -Where it's safe- |
| 01:28.30 | Bounty | I wonder if there are any studies being done on this subject. |
| 01:28.34 | Bounty | Scientific ones |
| 01:28.50 | JademusSreg | =/ |
| 01:29.01 | Bounty | ? |
| 01:29.36 | Bounty | I mean like, does anything leave the brain when you die. |
| 01:29.53 | JademusSreg | Dear void. |
| 01:30.56 | Bounty | Just saying, I think that would be an interesting experiment. |
| 01:31.27 | Bounty | Put someone who is dieng into a machine capable of capturing particles, atoms etc |
| 01:31.35 | Bounty | and see what happens |
| 01:31.51 | JademusSreg | Alright. I'll get the tree tap and trepan, you hold still. |
| 01:31.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:32.32 | Bounty | Wouldn't that experiment prove or disprove the idea of a soul though? |
| 01:32.40 | Bounty | If nothing is detected as leaving... |
| 01:33.03 | Bounty | boom, no soul. |
| 01:35.18 | Bounty | I....sense I've gone to far.... lol |
| 01:36.16 | JademusSreg | Soul is undefined in a meaningful, quantifiable capacity. |
| 01:36.52 | Bounty | True, its really almost synonymous with consciousness. |
| 01:37.08 | JademusSreg | Capturing whatever noise with whatever detectors is data, alone and in desperate want of a hypothesis. |
| 01:37.30 | JademusSreg | Theologians would strongly disagree. |
| 01:38.01 | Bounty | Who cares what they think? |
| 01:38.40 | JademusSreg | Conflating "soul" and "consciousness" renders at least one dead; keeping both is distinction without difference. |
| 01:38.55 | Bounty | I think you can have life after death without a god. |
| 01:39.07 | Bounty | It just wouldn't be like anything we can imagine. |
| 01:39.31 | Bounty | I agree Jade, I just don't know which one to use honestly. |
| 01:40.56 | JademusSreg | Yeah, secular spirituality is overflowing with that sentiment. Rejecting the overbearing restrictions of deities and religion alongside desire for the ego to perpetuate through infinity. |
| 01:41.28 | Bounty | I don't think its an ego thing |
| 01:41.41 | Bounty | An ego thing would be wanting to be who you are right now forever |
| 01:42.05 | Bounty | Which if this whole reincarnation thing is true, is definitely not the case lol |
| 01:42.08 | JademusSreg | Don't see dogs lamenting their mortality. Ego, identity, self. |
| 01:42.24 | Bounty | They could be. |
| 01:42.32 | Bounty | =P |
| 01:44.21 | DeadZergling | just like I never lament giving a dog chocolate |
| 01:44.28 | JademusSreg | And you could be an eternal entity which dreams itself into being, recursing inward through an unending genesis of nightmare and fantasy. Could be, you don't -knoooow-. |
| 01:46.33 | JademusSreg | You could be Prismo (Adventure Time character). |
| 01:49.31 | Bounty | I get where you're going with that Jade, just saying though |
| 01:49.37 | Bounty | We don't know what Dogs are thinking lol |
| 01:50.58 | JademusSreg | is the Desolation of Discussion, Slayer of Speech, Culler of Conversations. |
| 01:51.45 | Bounty | Also, if the universe is expanding and empty space has energy... then WTF lol |
| 01:52.17 | JademusSreg | Now you've inadvertently stumbled into an interesting problem |
| 01:52.59 | JademusSreg | But I have shit to do, so I'll prepare a short response. |
| 01:53.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:56.26 | JademusSreg | Energy can be borrowed, certainly. A false vacuum, like a bubble, can expand before it collapses in a (catastrophic) phase transition. How much energy do you suppose space-time is borrowing? How long until the debt is repaid? If the vaccuum of our universe falls to a lower-energy ground-state, bam, instantaneous destruction of All The Things. |
| 01:56.44 | JademusSreg | Have pleasant dreams with that one on your mind. =D |
| 01:57.15 | Bounty | Ah yes, the big crunch theory lol |
| 01:57.19 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 01:57.28 | JademusSreg | This is waaay more awesome. |
| 01:57.59 | Bounty | Don't think I've heard this theory before |
| 01:58.33 | JademusSreg | iirc, it's referred to as a "vaccuum catastrophe". |
| 01:58.36 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 01:58.56 | Bounty | youtube time |
| 01:59.00 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1FUraLn4v0 |
| 02:00.37 | JademusSreg | Skimmed it on mute; the video showed nothing which concerns the subject in the least. |
| 02:01.57 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9CepZBSCtI this one shows more promise |
| 02:02.41 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 02:02.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:09.17 | Bounty | This video is crazy, atoms carrying information |
| 02:09.28 | Bounty | your thoughts being transferred to the universe lol |
| 02:15.48 | Bounty | He says we live inside a black hole JademusSreg |
| 03:01.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster ________________ (4b50b90e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.80.185.14) |
| 03:01.38 | ________________ | oh wow, there's tons less people in here than there used 2 be |
| 03:01.50 | ________________ | WOW JADES, YOU'RE STILL HERE? |
| 03:02.30 | ________________ | !JademusSreg |
| 03:02.34 | ________________ | hmm hmm |
| 03:02.37 | ________________ | !A1win |
| 03:02.48 | ________________ | deng it's been too long I don't remember the commands |
| 03:02.50 | ________________ | !commands |
| 03:02.57 | ________________ | oh maybe ~commands |
| 03:03.03 | ________________ | ~commands |
| 03:03.05 | ________________ | ~help |
| 03:03.06 | ________________ | !help |
| 03:03.10 | ________________ | oh, got it, hah |
| 03:03.37 | ________________ | ~dice |
| 03:04.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:04.46 | ________________ | I wonder if this channel will blow up again once legacy is released |
| 03:04.59 | ________________ | Its Beta starts soon I think |
| 03:07.08 | ________________ | ~When is the Beta for Legacy of the Void |
| 03:07.08 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, ________________ |
| 03:07.15 | ________________ | aw, it doesn't know |
| 03:07.35 | JademusSreg | No purl. |
| 03:09.04 | ________________ | Oh ya, why is the bot named guest w/e instead of Purl |
| 03:09.19 | ________________ | Did Purl die? |
| 03:09.42 | JademusSreg | Inverse Turing Test> |
| 03:09.44 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:09.52 | ________________ | LoL |
| 03:12.26 | Dustin|Work | Ya whoever was running the bot apparently took it down |
| 03:15.53 | ArcanePariah | Good evening ________________ |
| 03:16.02 | ________________ | Sup |
| 03:16.03 | ArcanePariah | Also, I miss purl, he was fun :P |
| 03:16.13 | ________________ | awww |
| 03:16.20 | ________________ | well purl was sixen's bot |
| 03:16.32 | ________________ | dunno why he stopped it |
| 03:16.33 | ArcanePariah | I can only assume you are someone who hails from the earlier days of sc2? |
| 03:16.36 | ________________ | had a lot of fun with purl |
| 03:16.40 | ________________ | oh ya |
| 03:16.41 | ________________ | def |
| 03:16.46 | ________________ | i was around from the beginning |
| 03:16.52 | ________________ | came to check on the channel |
| 03:16.58 | ArcanePariah | Welcome back |
| 03:16.59 | ________________ | since legacy is approaching |
| 03:17.02 | ________________ | tyty |
| 03:17.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:17.16 | ________________ | we gotta get every1 back in here ): |
| 03:17.29 | ArcanePariah | I only ask because I was not present the beginning, but I've been a long term resident as well. |
| 03:17.30 | ________________ | i was around when jades had JUST made photon cycles |
| 03:17.38 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 03:17.40 | ________________ | oh awesome |
| 03:17.48 | ArcanePariah | You can speak to JademusSreg about my illustrious presence in this channel |
| 03:18.10 | ________________ | haha, sounds like i;'d get some good stories |
| 03:18.14 | JademusSreg | Arc adopted the mantle of helpful knowledgable channel person. |
| 03:18.20 | ________________ | nice |
| 03:18.21 | ArcanePariah | Should I give a brief introduction of myself? |
| 03:18.24 | ________________ | very nice actually |
| 03:18.41 | ________________ | Sure |
| 03:18.59 | JademusSreg | Following one of our first conversations, which involved some minor proficiency drills, I concluded Arc was demonstrably competent. |
| 03:19.09 | ________________ | ooooo |
| 03:19.19 | ________________ | He was tested |
| 03:19.38 | JademusSreg | Arc, sure, and employ some humor. |
| 03:21.56 | ________________ | Aaahhh, the top line still says "This channel is logged, via purl" |
| 03:21.57 | ________________ | tears |
| 03:22.05 | ________________ | ~cry |
| 03:22.05 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. |
| 03:22.30 | ________________ | i wonder. . . |
| 03:22.36 | ________________ | ~_____________ |
| 03:22.43 | ________________ | or maybe |
| 03:22.49 | ________________ | ~______________ |
| 03:22.53 | ________________ | deng |
| 03:22.55 | Dustin|Work | :O |
| 03:23.07 | Dustin|Work | Gtfo _____________________! |
| 03:23.09 | Dustin|Work | I mean, sup! |
| 03:23.11 | ArcanePariah | Very well. Currently a student at UCI, studying Computer Science and Engineering (not a double major, interdisciplinary) Played SC2 since it launched, got involved with a custom map called NOTD (you may have heard of it). Player it for 2.5 years and then volunteered (Famous last words I swear) to help code the map. First patch of course broke everything. Been doing mapmaking ever since, came to this channel some time |
| 03:23.11 | ArcanePariah | later to learn what I could not determine via mapster or experimentation. Spent wayyy to much time learning and helping, but it has been fruitful (though I swear this tree never gives ripe fruit, wth...) |
| 03:23.13 | ________________ | ~gasp I'm telling your boss |
| 03:24.17 | ________________ | oh wow you were with NOTD? |
| 03:24.42 | ________________ | Is NOTD still around? |
| 03:24.43 | ArcanePariah | Almost certainly due to my engineering tendencies, I employ multi diciiplinary approaches to problems, which led me to use and understand the entire editor. I have difficulty fathoming why people choose one thing over another. |
| 03:25.14 | ________________ | I KNOW RIGHT. It's necessary to understand the triggering side and data side |
| 03:25.22 | ________________ | Some people are pure triggers or pure data |
| 03:25.46 | ________________ | Is the community still split liket hat, or are most people jack of all trades by now? |
| 03:29.08 | ArcanePariah | I personally do not know. All I know is that I have been fortunate with NOTD. NOTD is done by a team and we each know/respect/trust each other and thus work well to get things done. One person does the design, another is the administrator of sorts, and we have another person doing custom model work. I'm the tech person doing all the coding. We will ahve another person help with the coding shortly. |
| 03:29.34 | ________________ | ic ic |
| 03:29.50 | ________________ | so u do the data and galaxy work? |
| 03:30.06 | ArcanePariah | Currently we are working on a sequel, blending both NOTD and elements from WC3 NOTD (NOTD AM). |
| 03:30.09 | ArcanePariah | I do everything |
| 03:30.18 | ArcanePariah | AI, Triggers, Data, UI |
| 03:30.26 | ________________ | nice nice |
| 03:30.40 | ________________ | ~ArcanePariah |
| 03:30.40 | purl | from memory, arcanepariah is superlatively competent. |
| 03:30.48 | ________________ | hah, im sure jades wrote that |
| 03:31.09 | ArcanePariah | If you wish, you can examine our work, it is unlocked. However, in the interest of updates and modularity, the game is broken up in a number of dependencies so it may take some time to DL everything. |
| 03:31.17 | ________________ | I';m pretty excited to get back into mapping |
| 03:31.20 | ArcanePariah | There is about 11 dependencies. |
| 03:31.47 | ________________ | i'd imagine most large maps are split that way nowadays |
| 03:32.01 | ________________ | keeps everything clean |
| 03:32.05 | ArcanePariah | Actually, no |
| 03:32.10 | ________________ | & organized |
| 03:32.14 | ________________ | no? |
| 03:32.16 | ________________ | why not |
| 03:32.39 | ________________ | whats the drawback of splitting into separate pieces? |
| 03:32.53 | ArcanePariah | Simple really, most mapmakers are not technical, they are designers who learn just enough to achieve their design, and long term software development practices is something they do not care about or understand. |
| 03:33.00 | ArcanePariah | Most write pretty terrible code. |
| 03:33.11 | ________________ | cicic |
| 03:33.15 | ________________ | ic* |
| 03:34.09 | ________________ | i figured sc2 was around like enough so that whoever was left was super amazing and a beast at coding/etc./cared about dev'ing to learn and teach others |
| 03:34.19 | ArcanePariah | Also, we must consider that within technical circle, a substantial number of coders are poor at coding as well. Even my own work has its flaws and systemic issues (I have little documentation or none at all, a direct failing of my own). |
| 03:34.19 | ________________ | isn't that usually how developing communities work? |
| 03:34.24 | ArcanePariah | No |
| 03:34.28 | ArcanePariah | Most coders frankly suck |
| 03:34.30 | ArcanePariah | and never learn |
| 03:34.42 | ________________ | oic |
| 03:34.49 | ArcanePariah | There is a reason thedailywtf has fresh material every day. |
| 03:34.49 | ________________ | that's unfortunate |
| 03:34.59 | ________________ | lol |
| 03:35.04 | ________________ | so, what about banks |
| 03:35.15 | ________________ | do people still use banks to save/load user data? |
| 03:35.19 | ArcanePariah | Coding has the lowest of barriers to entry, thus it permits people to routinely do the worst things. |
| 03:35.28 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that is inevitable. |
| 03:35.46 | ________________ | i thought design (terrain/etc.) had a lower barrier, but ok |
| 03:36.29 | ArcanePariah | I speak in terms of overall professions. Most professions require certification or physical goods to practice it, often specialized goods. Coding requires nothing but a basic computer. |
| 03:36.31 | ________________ | so have people found cool/interesting ways to make banks harder to edit by people that want to cheat their map? |
| 03:36.41 | ________________ | ohohoh, i gotchu |
| 03:36.57 | ArcanePariah | They have, however, fundamentally, nothing can stop people from cheating, basic axiom of security. |
| 03:37.04 | ________________ | i thought you were speaking specifically to SC |
| 03:37.26 | ArcanePariah | As long as the bank data is stored on the client, it is insecure/tainted. |
| 03:37.38 | ________________ | Awesome, so what is the most used anti-mod method for banks of today? |
| 03:38.00 | ________________ | some crazy obfuscation? |
| 03:38.03 | ArcanePariah | As much as people may disagree with it, online only games with server side only components IS the only provable method of DRM that works and can not be broken. |
| 03:38.12 | ArcanePariah | Usually encryption. |
| 03:38.18 | ________________ | ic |
| 03:38.29 | ArcanePariah | However, this is fatally flawed since the key must reside int he map code which is on the client as well. |
| 03:39.11 | ________________ | do most people protect their maps or are most open to the public to read? |
| 03:39.24 | ________________ | yea that's true |
| 03:39.34 | ArcanePariah | Depends on the map. I think most are protected, but I have not really ever looked to be honest. |
| 03:39.53 | ________________ | oh |
| 03:39.55 | ArcanePariah | To understand anything, I can always just examine Blizzards own campaigns. |
| 03:40.05 | ArcanePariah | Those usually provide enough insight for me. |
| 03:40.17 | ________________ | some maps have craaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzyyyy features implemented that I love looking into and seeing how they're done |
| 03:40.27 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 03:41.03 | ArcanePariah | NOTD 2 has such things. And that is one reason I don't bother protecting my map. It is protected in the complexity of it that would require some skilled to understand and modify it correctly. |
| 03:41.20 | ________________ | ic ic |
| 03:41.54 | ArcanePariah | Also it is a WIP, so what you see is transititory at best. And certain features are entirely driven by data, which apparently many have a hard time grasping. |
| 03:42.00 | ________________ | That's awesome that the map has evolved so much and stayed around |
| 03:42.35 | ________________ | Data I think confuses people because it's hard to draw lines to each piece that links together |
| 03:42.54 | ArcanePariah | NOTD 2 implements a customization system for the player characters armor. You can choose from a number of armor sets in different slots. We acheived this through creating a model that serves as a rag doll and all other models are attached to it at specific attachment points. |
| 03:43.14 | ArcanePariah | And this is entirely done in actors |
| 03:43.20 | ________________ | With triggers/galaxy script everything is in one area....so if you read around for a word/variable/unit, you'll be able to draw lines and link code together |
| 03:43.37 | ArcanePariah | They did add a tool to visually show the data links |
| 03:43.48 | ________________ | That's a really cool idea |
| 03:43.54 | ________________ | You guys come up with that? |
| 03:43.59 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 03:44.01 | ________________ | REALLY? |
| 03:44.07 | ArcanePariah | Wait, which thing? |
| 03:44.08 | ________________ | What's the tool called? |
| 03:44.12 | ArcanePariah | The actors or the tool? |
| 03:44.21 | ________________ | The armor customization idea is cool |
| 03:44.29 | ArcanePariah | The tool is something Blizzard added, with Swarm. |
| 03:44.36 | ________________ | The tool for visualizing data i was asking about |
| 03:44.42 | ________________ | oh sick |
| 03:44.48 | ________________ | oh wait |
| 03:44.52 | ________________ | nono, i remember that |
| 03:45.03 | ________________ | yayaya, i haven't been gone that long haha |
| 03:45.07 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 03:45.13 | ________________ | i remember blizzard's data tree thing |
| 03:46.14 | ArcanePariah | So this looks familiar to you? http://imgur.com/p12I6LP |
| 03:46.41 | ________________ | Ya, I rememberr that |
| 03:46.59 | ArcanePariah | Ok, that's what I was referring to, quite handy |
| 03:47.21 | ________________ | Oh man, I shouldn't look at that picture. It makes me wanna jump in and start playing with maps right now |
| 03:47.41 | ________________ | I really only came in here today to check on everyone see who was still around haha |
| 03:47.45 | ArcanePariah | As for my customization thing, the main thing about it is that I leveraged how the data editor works and now, to add a new armor set in, takes me very little time. |
| 03:47.49 | ________________ | wasn't supposed to revive my urge to map yet |
| 03:48.03 | ArcanePariah | I merely do some copy paste in XML and tweak a few data entries. |
| 03:48.19 | ArcanePariah | I do have to do more work now that we are supporting camos |
| 03:48.28 | ArcanePariah | Which involve texture swaps |
| 03:48.28 | ________________ | So it's a nice streamlined process. Is it easy to understand for someone outside the NOTD project looking in? |
| 03:48.53 | ArcanePariah | If you are familiar with the fundamentals of the data editor, it is, but most are not. |
| 03:49.04 | ________________ | Oh man, I remember when texture swapping FIRST became popular and everyone was OMGWTF'ing all over it |
| 03:49.50 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm, unfortunately real life calls so I must afk for a few, but we take up this conversation later on, yes? :D |
| 03:50.39 | ________________ | 4sure I'll try to jump in the chat when i can |
| 04:27.52 | ________________ | bye4now all. hopefully this channel becomes poppin' like it used to be once beta starts :D |
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| 05:05.32 | JademusSreg | That was a pleasant read. |
| 05:08.50 | Bounty | peow |
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| 10:18.57 | Zolden | Goa_ checked the eclipse? |
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| 10:22.04 | Zolden | duckies checked the eclipse? |
| 10:22.53 | duckies | nnope |
| 10:23.47 | Zolden | it's there still |
| 10:24.03 | Zolden | more than half eaten |
| 10:24.03 | duckies | can't see anything over all those clouds |
| 10:24.24 | Zolden | fly over them |
| 10:24.44 | Zolden | duck benefits |
| 10:24.55 | duckies | oh god, I peeked out of window to see wher'es the sun, now I'm blind |
| 10:25.19 | duckies | simply penisasitc :/ |
| 10:33.25 | Zolden | penissimo! |
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| 10:57.16 | Zolden | TwoDie you clicking internet: http://coub.com/view/5i51b |
| 10:59.38 | TwoDie | seems like it |
| 11:00.33 | Zolden | TwoDie checked the eclipse? |
| 11:01.06 | TwoDie | yeah a bit |
| 11:02.58 | Zolden | a megabyte, i'd say, everybody watching through compact discs |
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| 11:42.03 | Goa_ | Though I was outside |
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| 14:28.06 | Casper_ | i got some heroes which if they kill enemies they get kill resources gas and kill experience, however if a unit is neutral the heroes don't get any experience or gas, anyone know how to do this? |
| 14:28.29 | Casper_ | if they kill the neutral unit |
| 14:30.50 | duckies | casper_ player gets kill resource if he kills unit belonging to player that treats him as hostile |
| 14:31.28 | duckies | if owner of killed unit treats killing player as neutral or ally - kill resource won't be awarded |
| 14:34.06 | duckies | so in other words - configure alliance aspects for owner of neutral units |
| 14:36.04 | Casper_ | u mean to make them hostile but i rlly need the "neutral units" to not be attacked by default by the heroes |
| 14:36.23 | Casper_ | is there any way to make the heroes not attack by default a a specified player which is hostile? |
| 14:41.54 | Casper_ | duckies i did a work around this so that it gives the exp and gas to the heroes by a trigger when the specific unit dies it would trigger a sa effect > set effect > 2 modify effects (exp and gas). But i need an upgrade which make the hp and increases the gas reward every 250 seconds |
| 14:42.26 | Casper_ | i made the upgrade and it gets upgraded in triggers with add 1 to tech tree but only hp gets upgraded not the modify player effect gas reward |
| 14:43.16 | Casper_ | any ideas how to get the gas reward to get upgraded? |
| 14:54.27 | duckies | casper, you can set alliance aspect, you can set Player A to treat Player B as enemy while Player B will still treat player A as ally and will not autoattack him. |
| 14:54.56 | duckies | as for other things, I dunno what you mean |
| 14:55.29 | Casper_ | player a is the hero he needs to not autoattack player B by default while player B is a unit with no weapon |
| 14:55.44 | duckies | yeah, that's exactly what I meant |
| 14:55.50 | duckies | set alliance aspect one way |
| 14:55.51 | anarch | i have an idea for you |
| 14:56.01 | anarch | not sure you will like this, but just to throw it out there, no triggers needed: |
| 14:57.19 | Casper_ | sure |
| 14:58.05 | anarch | create validator, "is neutral", have it return true under some circumstance like perhaps "unit is owned by player X" (X being the computer player). Player X can be set to hostile, however |
| 14:58.28 | anarch | on all of your weapon,s put a validator "is not neutral" so none of your weapons can attack units with this flag (even if they are technically hostie) |
| 14:58.31 | anarch | hostile) |
| 14:58.46 | anarch | so you have a hostile enemy computer player, whos units you can not attack with nay weapon |
| 14:59.21 | anarch | unfortunately you would have to create a second weapon that attacks only "is neutral" targets, but has a "do not initiate attack" property |
| 14:59.32 | anarch | so you can still manually attack the "neutral" units |
| 15:00.39 | anarch | i get that this is a massive pain in the ass |
| 15:00.45 | anarch | but it does accomplish it with data alone |
| 15:01.22 | Casper_ | hmm gonna take alot for over 50 heroes but ty |
| 15:01.36 | anarch | if i think of a simpler solution i will let you know |
| 15:01.43 | anarch | i had to figure out how to make my units do less damage when shooting uphill |
| 15:02.13 | Casper_ | also about increasing with an upgrade the modify player resources u have any idea how to do it? |
| 15:02.15 | anarch | and unfortunately the solution was to duplicate each unit's weapon, and use validators to determine which weapon to use, with 1 weapon having a damage penalty |
| 15:03.44 | duckies | I still fail to understand why you can't use alliance aspects. In my map I have P14 owned neutral "frozen" units that player can kill for exp/bounty. Human players treat P14 as neutral, thus they don't auto-attack him. P14 treats humans as enemies, thus he gives them exp/bounty when killed.. isn't hat what you need? |
| 15:05.18 | Casper_ | ohhh i get what u mean, thought u trying to make play the neutral units not attack the hero |
| 15:05.34 | Casper_ | i think this is the easiest solution |
| 15:07.26 | duckies | also, about upgrades, might be you messing something up |
| 15:07.51 | anarch | Casper_: can you explain the modify resources functionality you are looking to achieve? |
| 15:08.09 | duckies | if it upgrades one value, but not the other -> either you're not permited to modify that value (doubtful for the case of gas) or you're setting something wrong |
| 15:08.29 | duckies | which would be hard to diagnose without looking at exact part of code |
| 15:08.37 | duckies | anyway, gohome time~ |
| 15:08.40 | duckies | gl! |
| 15:09.15 | Casper_ | ty for help |
| 15:09.56 | Casper_ | ill give u pictures, easier to explain |
| 15:09.59 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/RMLWvag.png |
| 15:10.06 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/o5DLG0a.png |
| 15:10.13 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/imF0Aip.png |
| 15:10.32 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/ojXzIVG.png |
| 15:10.39 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/8SXIB7Z.png |
| 15:10.46 | Casper_ | http://i.imgur.com/1clL78k.png |
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| 15:18.20 | anarch | Casper_: sorry, these images are confusing to me to look at. i may be able ot help if you describe the functionality you want. |
| 15:18.41 | anarch | is it that you gain gas when you kill units, and you want to make upgrades that increase how much resources you gain from killing things? |
| 15:18.55 | Casper_ | yes |
| 15:22.54 | anarch | it looks like you may have tried something like this, but my first thought would be something like... |
| 15:23.13 | anarch | create a variable for the player called gas_income and initialize it to the starting value, like "10" or whatever. |
| 15:23.30 | anarch | when the player kills an enemy, give them gas amount of "gas_income" |
| 15:23.36 | anarch | so it will start by giving them 10 gas |
| 15:23.53 | anarch | then as they make upgrades, make it so it adds to the gas_income variable (modify variable, add, 1) |
| 15:23.53 | Casper_ | and then i increase the variable k |
| 15:23.56 | anarch | yes |
| 15:24.20 | anarch | then you could put limits on it if you wanted, like only increase gas_income if its below a certain value |
| 15:24.27 | anarch | or anything you wanted really at that point |
| 15:24.43 | Casper_ | k ty |
| 15:24.54 | anarch | np |
| 15:34.42 | Casper_ | also I have this "teleport" which uses a normal stalker blink ability but with validator on creep (only the 2 teleport locations use creep) and the target point is on creep, but I needed it to be instant cast ability which teleports the caster to the other teleport location, any ideas how to do this? |
| 15:39.48 | anarch | im not sure i understand. I imagine you basically have a blink ability, but it only works when the caster is standing on creep? or it only works when the target location is on creep? or both? is that all there is to it or am i missing something? |
| 15:41.13 | Casper_ | yes and the target point is on creep but i want it to be instant cast ability so the player doesn't have to click on the other creep location |
| 15:41.52 | Casper_ | so that when cast it teleports the player unit to the other creep location |
| 15:41.52 | anarch | i see. how then would you specify where to teleport to? |
| 15:42.23 | Casper_ | well that was my problem aswell... |
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| 15:42.37 | anarch | i don't understand what is meant by "other creep location", can you please clarify. i dont understand how you wish for this ability to work exactly |
| 15:43.35 | Casper_ | i have 2 places on the whole map which have creep, for eg u might consider 2 regions which have creep |
| 15:43.46 | anarch | oh, ok i see |
| 15:43.55 | anarch | and when you go to 1 region and press blink |
| 15:43.58 | anarch | you appear in the other region |
| 15:43.59 | anarch | yes? |
| 15:43.59 | Casper_ | ye |
| 15:45.37 | anarch | this problem strikes me as a bit more complex than the others. im not sure there is a way to make an ability behave like this without triggers. howveer, if you are ok wiht triggers, i imagine you could do something like this: |
| 15:46.17 | Casper_ | someone told me to do this but didnt say anything else |
| 15:46.19 | Casper_ | I would have two validators with one at the target point and the other at caster point. Then just throw them into a Combine type validator set to AND logic. |
| 15:46.28 | Casper_ | maybe u understand |
| 15:47.55 | anarch | i understand what he is saying, but it has a flaw with this logic: you can still use the ability to teleport from 1 point of creep to the other, and also, that logic would not be an instant ability, but a targeted one |
| 15:48.04 | anarch | a possible solution would be this (sort of complicated) |
| 15:50.32 | anarch | create an instant ability that does "apply behavior". have it apply behavior that you create called "teleport unit". |
| 15:50.47 | anarch | then have a trigger set up for each of your 2 creep regions (region1, region2): |
| 15:51.10 | anarch | if unit comes in to region1 with behavior "teleport unit" then move him to region 2, remove behavior |
| 15:51.27 | anarch | likewise, if unit comes to region 2 with behavior "teleport unit" then move him to region 1 and remove the behavior |
| 15:52.08 | anarch | this way the instant ability will basically tell the map to teleport the unit to the other creep region. you could use validators so this ability only is enabled when on creep and hence in the correct region to teleport |
| 15:52.46 | Casper_ | k ill try this |
| 15:53.14 | anarch | also, you may want to add a duration to the behavior of a few seconds |
| 15:54.00 | anarch | so if it somehow is applied while the unit is not on the correct creep region (this should not happen, but might in case of glitch or bug) then it will not effect anything as the behavior will just be automatically removed |
| 16:00.22 | JademusSreg | IT security is more doomed: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/03/mris-show-our-brains-shutting-down-when-we-see-security-prompts/ |
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| 16:14.53 | Ashamed | http://ui.lumapps.com/css/buttons has anyone checked this framework out yet? |
| 16:15.03 | Ashamed | i think i am going to build a site with it for 7 days to die |
| 16:19.05 | Ashamed | Want to change it up and use new tech for server back end / client |
| 16:19.14 | Ashamed | nosql that shit |
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| 16:47.05 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:47.23 | Ashamed | Jademussreg nosql |
| 16:47.26 | Ashamed | NOSQL |
| 16:48.01 | JademusSreg | Wooo. |
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| 16:51.19 | Ashamed | hows it going jade? |
| 16:51.43 | JademusSreg | "Dat backend more RESTful than a Snorlax" Single line of lyrical rhapsody, incomplete but pleasant. |
| 16:52.20 | Ashamed | Yeah its really fun.. Sailsjs is awesome.. builds restful api while you develop the site |
| 16:52.33 | JademusSreg | And it going busy, very busy. Exponentially more busy than my previous default busy state. |
| 16:53.05 | Ashamed | you still doing sc2 moding? |
| 16:55.29 | JademusSreg | Had an extended haitus, but Significant Things occured which conspired to conscript me in its glorious purpose. |
| 16:58.20 | Ashamed | I dont manage minepocket anymore but I own the domain still... they are at like 35k members now -.-... I started making a sc2 map a few days ago ha! |
| 16:58.55 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 17:01.18 | Ashamed | I want to make a wave type game where you need to kill the zerg horde on a planet but they attack in waves until you have a strong enough team to venture out |
| 17:05.48 | JademusSreg | Sounds rather like RTS campaign missions. |
| 17:06.26 | JademusSreg | Whuich isn't bad, mind you; the mission design endures for an arguably good reason. |
| 17:06.56 | Ashamed | I kinda want to make it like the old survival maps in starcraft |
| 17:07.09 | Ashamed | it will be very campaign base.. hopfully like a 3-4 hour co-op map |
| 17:07.26 | Ashamed | i am going to try to add random missions around the map as well to give it some sort of dynamics |
| 17:14.00 | Ashamed | also want to make it so you only get one hero character and everyone else you hire and they just follow |
| 17:25.12 | JademusSreg | Hire Paparazzi [P] Hire Obsessed Stalker [O] Hire Personal Assistant [A] |
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| 18:45.10 | TwoDie | pew pew |
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| 19:18.34 | Zolden | new daed game thread everybody! http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/76629-sc2-arcade-death-after-release-of-legacy-of-the-void/?unread |
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| 19:19.28 | Zolden | hey DeadZerglick |
| 19:19.33 | DeadZergling | heh, person in the comments for this video thinks he can beat Death TV with one life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGX29tscqLY |
| 19:19.36 | DeadZergling | hey Zolden |
| 19:19.50 | DeadZergling | I hope he tries to prove it :) |
| 19:19.59 | Tomura | didn't know that they will switch engines for LotV |
| 19:20.22 | Tomura | or rather make it standalone |
| 19:21.01 | Zolden | Tomura I din't know too. But now, as I think about it, I like it. Becasue it feels like a decision to unite Storm and LotV |
| 19:21.31 | Zolden | also, means that LotV/Storm engine has realy deep changes |
| 19:22.17 | Zolden | Tomura I even think, this new engine is compartible with (or simply the same) that new 3d action game |
| 19:23.29 | Tomura | hmmm I think that might be a stretch, but could be possible. |
| 19:24.21 | Tomura | in the rendering department they are probably similar |
| 19:25.15 | Zolden | rendering - yes, it's an independent subsystem, for example, they changed m3 format for HotS without changeing the engine |
| 19:25.31 | Zolden | I'd speculatively suspect they added a new 32 periods per second (instead of 16) mode |
| 19:25.40 | DeadZergling | Jademus_Sreg, did the picture I send you make sense? |
| 19:25.51 | Zolden | well, there's alot of things that they could add, which would make the engines incompartible |
| 19:27.28 | Tomura | indeed there are |
| 19:28.44 | Ashamed | anyone here see the game 7 days to die? |
| 19:28.59 | DeadZergling | the pixelated depressing one? |
| 19:29.15 | Ashamed | its not pixelated at all |
| 19:29.24 | Ashamed | for voxel one of the best i have seen to this date |
| 19:29.28 | DeadZergling | must have it confused with another one |
| 19:29.55 | Ashamed | I think early stages may of been more minecraft like |
| 19:29.59 | Ashamed | but they have updated it since |
| 19:30.37 | Tomura | BTW I was playing around with moving some of my particles to the GPU (probably and overdid it): https://youtu.be/e-DqqBWbAdk |
| 19:31.01 | Ashamed | http://7daystodie.com/ ( i may try to create a community for the game seems interresting ( |
| 19:31.24 | Zolden | how do you move particles to gpu? some rendering option? |
| 19:31.39 | Tomura | it's just a setting in the emmitter |
| 19:32.00 | Tomura | There are some limitations, since GPU is using different data for collision, etc |
| 19:32.28 | Tomura | CPU particles have better simulation when it comes to collision since they can react to the 3D Collision of meshes. |
| 19:32.41 | Ashamed | Tomura you work for a game dev company yet ?? lol |
| 19:32.42 | Tomura | GPU particles do collision with GBuffer Depth data |
| 19:33.01 | Ashamed | That looks pretty nice what you have there ha |
| 19:33.19 | Tomura | haha I'm not even done with education. |
| 19:33.43 | Zolden | Tomura it looks cool. What are the benefits? Faster simulation? |
| 19:33.54 | Ashamed | Well you are going to do just fine :P... i have seen some kids that think they can edit and show me the worse thing ever ha |
| 19:34.06 | Tomura | yup. GPU is faster and enables a larger amount of particles |
| 19:34.23 | Zolden | it's a rare situation, where particles ahve to collide with physics colliders, so it's fine |
| 19:34.36 | Tomura | CPU particles have some additional functionality |
| 19:34.42 | Tomura | like emitting real lights |
| 19:34.49 | Tomura | or sending events to other modules |
| 19:34.50 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:34.58 | Zolden | that would be a performance mess |
| 19:35.03 | Tomura | yes |
| 19:35.17 | Tomura | because of that you have to use CPU particles in smaller numbers |
| 19:36.36 | Zolden | unity's particle system seems to have no changes in 5 |
| 19:36.37 | Tomura | @Ashamed: Well it's easy to make simple things look great in UE4. And years of modding aren't for nothing |
| 19:37.21 | Ashamed | Tomura you see what source is doing>? |
| 19:37.36 | Tomura | not really |
| 19:37.39 | Zolden | Ashamed the fact is: makeing things look 3d and have a good shader is now a few clicks easy |
| 19:37.46 | Ashamed | new source engine 100% free |
| 19:37.49 | Ashamed | no royalities or anything |
| 19:38.01 | Tomura | that I know |
| 19:38.18 | Ashamed | Zolden yeah.. but i still see so many people that have such bad design... and just because they can do it easily they think it looks nice ha |
| 19:38.28 | Tomura | but I'm very used to Unreal, so I'm going to stay with that |
| 19:38.41 | Tomura | and full source code is great as a programmer |
| 19:40.05 | Ashamed | yeah unreal at least is full source + royalties |
| 19:40.17 | Ashamed | Unity pro monthly sub isn't too bad though |
| 19:40.35 | Tomura | yup. They are all pretty good deals |
| 19:40.59 | Ashamed | but i like what source is doing |
| 19:42.26 | Tomura | Valve will still get 30% or so if you sell your game with steam |
| 19:42.45 | Tomura | so they are in a good position to do what they are doing |
| 19:51.36 | Ashamed | yeah.. but i dont think you techically even have to put it on steam... they just expect everyone will since its the biggest indie launching platform |
| 19:54.47 | Tomura | that's right |
| 19:56.52 | Zolden | Tomura how do you create those bullet hit splats on the walls? |
| 19:57.14 | Tomura | just decals that are spawned on hit |
| 19:58.23 | Tomura | and aligned to the surfaces normal |
| 19:58.52 | Zolden | are they like sprites or projectors? |
| 19:59.33 | Tomura | probably projectors. You are using unity terms aren't you? |
| 20:00.40 | Zolden | i remember it from art tools |
| 20:00.48 | Zolden | didn't check if unity has it |
| 20:01.05 | Ashamed | so unity 5 the shiz niz? |
| 20:01.38 | Tomura | then it should be projectors. I always thought blizz used "decal" or "Super Texture" |
| 20:01.44 | Tomura | as terminology for that |
| 20:08.59 | Zolden | yea, in editor those models are referenced as decals, while in art tools the object, that projects textures is named "projector" |
| 20:10.08 | Zolden | jsut found "projector" in unity :) |
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| 20:12.44 | ArcanePariah | Ashamed: Every game engine is a tradeoff. What we are seeing the maturity of them, because at this point, at theoretical level, there is major diminishing returns. So now a days the focus is on the toolchains. The monetization schemes are all roughly equal, they are based on the drug dealer model, which works very well. |
| 20:13.15 | Ashamed | but the thing is arcane the new sourc eengine is not a trade off |
| 20:13.18 | Ashamed | its 100% fre |
| 20:13.20 | Ashamed | free* |
| 20:13.23 | ArcanePariah | No, it is not |
| 20:13.26 | Ashamed | you dont have to pay them a dime |
| 20:13.27 | Ashamed | yes it is |
| 20:13.40 | ArcanePariah | Ermm... you have to publish on steam, of which they take a 30% cut. |
| 20:13.42 | Ashamed | they just announced it on their last tech demo |
| 20:13.45 | Ashamed | no you dont |
| 20:13.50 | Ashamed | you are not forced to puplish it on steam |
| 20:13.59 | Zolden | yes, I'm so addicted to unity |
| 20:14.09 | Zolden | everybody go unity, so I could pay for more unity |
| 20:14.25 | Ashamed | they just assume everyone will upload it on steam since that is the biggest platform for indy games |
| 20:14.54 | Zolden | mobile platform is bigger, isn't it? |
| 20:14.54 | Ashamed | the new source engine is 100% royality free and 100% free to use. |
| 20:14.55 | ArcanePariah | Yes, and I do respect Gabe Newell, but he learned well from his former employer. |
| 20:15.30 | ArcanePariah | Valve is basically no different then Microsoft of the 90's |
| 20:15.34 | ArcanePariah | or 80's |
| 20:16.04 | ArcanePariah | Produce little, have a monopolisitc middleman position, with rather good lockdown on the market of choice. |
| 20:16.15 | Ashamed | yeah they are in a good spot ha |
| 20:16.41 | ArcanePariah | I'm waiting for Valve to make a game at some point, since they havent made one in almost 8 years. |
| 20:17.29 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:17.42 | Ashamed | i think left for dead 3 will be next |
| 20:17.45 | Ashamed | dota 2 is theirs too |
| 20:18.00 | Ashamed | which was techically only released a few years ago |
| 20:18.08 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but neither game was made by valve, valve just bought the makers and financed it. |
| 20:18.20 | ArcanePariah | Their last 4 releases were buyouts |
| 20:18.42 | ArcanePariah | They have not, in house, produced a game since HL2 Ep2 |
| 20:19.15 | ArcanePariah | Same thing as MS, they made very little in the 90's just bought whatever they needed. |
| 20:19.19 | Ashamed | wow left for dead wasn't made by their dev team |
| 20:19.22 | Ashamed | i didn't know that |
| 20:19.34 | ArcanePariah | Correct, neither was Portal or Alien Swarm |
| 20:19.49 | Ashamed | wow.. portal/left for dead seem so valve too me though |
| 20:20.37 | ArcanePariah | Yes, because Gabe Newell can recognize good games, and then bring the people in. So he is the venture capitalist of games basically. |
| 20:20.51 | Ashamed | portal campaign story lines i would still say is one of the best i have ever played to this date |
| 20:21.00 | Ashamed | the game was bleh... but the story in the game was amazing |
| 20:28.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 20:38.33 | Goa_ | Zolden my puzzle game: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQWZ836ADXMXF0V3RuVlNRN1E/view?usp=sharing |
| 20:38.46 | Goa_ | I need to find a good name for it btw |
| 20:46.18 | Ashamed | haz any of you guys looked at html5 development for mobile games? |
| 20:47.33 | Goa_ | yes |
| 21:02.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster zoldren (~AndChat47@213.87.129.48) |
| 21:02.24 | Zolden | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQWZ836ADXMXF0V3RuVlNRN1E/view?usp=sharing |
| 21:03.16 | Zolden | lets's see |
| 21:03.37 | zoldren | what u see noob |
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| 21:15.29 | Zolden | TwoDie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCPG7zqjTE |
| 21:35.19 | Bounty | <3 that game Zolden lol |
| 21:37.38 | Zolden | absurd ftw |
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| 22:23.34 | Bounty | Has anyone figured out what the point of that game is Zolden? lol |
| 22:25.27 | DeadZergling | any Jademus_Sreg sightings yet? |
| 22:26.26 | Bounty | Nay, but you may have summoned him |
| 22:29.19 | Zolden | Bounty absurd has no point, also is the point |
| 22:29.48 | Bounty | I know but sometimes games like that have a "message" of some sort |
| 22:37.23 | Jademus_Sreg | Haha. |
| 22:37.58 | DeadZergling | Hi Jade, did the picture make sense? |
| 22:38.44 | JademusSreg | Been busy, but I will check once I get back. =D |
| 22:48.18 | Zolden | in unity if one doesn't know how do do something, he checks documentation, or watces tutorials, or googles the answer, or answers in chat, which rarely has < 200 people there. Each way usually brings the correct and easy to implement answer. |
| 22:49.13 | Zolden | without helpless and humiliating waiting for days, till Jade is available to help |
| 22:50.22 | Zolden | and problems usually happen in unity with higher matters, not the shitty gui |
| 22:51.17 | Zolden | it's just fun, how much people conservative and rigid to make such obvious step from hell to heaven |
| 22:53.51 | Zolden | it's just an unfortunate sequence of events, that led you to the deadlock of sc2 editor |
| 22:55.01 | Zolden | wise man said: if you shitted in your pants, just change! |
| 22:56.35 | Zolden | ok, unity propaganda session is completed, back to coding |
| 23:02.08 | TwoDie | tits |
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| 23:22.45 | DeadZergling | Unity, sounds nice, wonder if I'll get my shit done so I can convert |
| 23:31.40 | Zolden | DeadZergling who knows, a try won't revive hitler |
| 23:33.43 | Zolden | installing unity, watching gui tutorial, and trying to implemnt your ideas - it's rather a journey than a challenge |
