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| 03:11.15 | Dustin|Work | Damn it's quiet today |
| 03:19.32 | Bounty | Yeah it is Dustin |
| 03:21.57 | ArcanePariah | Well, I've been busy :D |
| 03:22.08 | ArcanePariah | Hallo Dustin|Work |
| 03:22.31 | Bounty | exists |
| 03:23.17 | Dustin|Work | I've been busy too :( |
| 03:23.32 | Bounty | When are you not busy Dustin? lol |
| 03:23.44 | Dustin|Work | That's a good point :P |
| 03:24.04 | Bounty | I hope there is some sort of promotion or position you can score at your job one day that allows you to work less. |
| 03:24.28 | Bounty | Never seen someone at work as much as you lol |
| 03:27.04 | ArcanePariah | There is, just requires lack of ethics |
| 03:27.13 | ArcanePariah | (Or at least from my cynical point of view it does) |
| 03:27.53 | Bounty | Ah, so the only step up is "boss" |
| 03:28.12 | Dustin|Work | Hehe, I'm actually moving over to the Senior Support Engineer position in the next couple months, which means Ill be off the phones and just telling people how to fix the shit lol |
| 03:28.37 | Bounty | Same hours Dustin? |
| 03:31.40 | Dustin|Work | Ya most likely |
| 03:32.20 | ArcanePariah | Not boss bounty, CEO, or Venture/Vulture captilaist. OR you can just be born to the right parents, I hear that does well too. |
| 03:32.50 | Bounty | Just need to earn about 1 million ArcanePariah |
| 03:32.53 | Bounty | and live off the interest |
| 03:33.26 | ArcanePariah | Not interest, interest sucks atm. Need to use that million to buy a couple congresscritters or laws. |
| 03:33.44 | ArcanePariah | That or buy a rigged market |
| 03:33.56 | Bounty | even with the shitty interest rates ATM, still a good amount of money lol |
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| 03:34.23 | ArcanePariah | True, but if you aren't beating inflation, relatively doesn't change. Now congress, THATS a good investment. |
| 03:34.34 | Bounty | Last I checked, the average on a savings account was about... 0.04 - 0.05% |
| 03:34.46 | Bounty | 0.04% of 1 million is 40k |
| 03:34.48 | ArcanePariah | I hear the average congress person only costs like 50-100k a year. |
| 03:35.00 | ArcanePariah | Has easily 1k+% return |
| 03:35.11 | Bounty | I would rather run for office than purchase a congressman lol |
| 03:35.43 | ArcanePariah | Well, if you do, just remember to charge top dollar for your bribes |
| 03:35.51 | ArcanePariah | Congress should cost more. |
| 03:35.56 | Bounty | Nah, no bribes |
| 03:36.06 | ArcanePariah | Then you can't get electeed |
| 03:36.15 | Bounty | May as well kill myself if I took bribes, goes against what I believe in lol |
| 03:36.18 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait, we call it lobbying |
| 03:36.34 | Bounty | You've been very political lately >.< |
| 03:36.34 | ArcanePariah | To run for office sadly requires one to be corrupt |
| 03:36.41 | Bounty | Nah |
| 03:36.56 | Bounty | You could do it if you built a following |
| 03:37.04 | Bounty | through good ideals and charisma lol |
| 03:37.05 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well, the total idoicy I've seen lately is just... lol. |
| 03:37.25 | ArcanePariah | Sure, and how do people know of your good ideals and charisma? |
| 03:37.43 | Bounty | Only myself that I know of, but I have no charisma so |
| 03:37.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:37.51 | ArcanePariah | Gotta communicate that somehow, and that communication is pricey |
| 03:38.00 | Bounty | Couldn't even record myself for a video |
| 03:38.08 | Bounty | I doubt I would do that much better on a podium. |
| 03:39.04 | Bounty | and in terms of learning how to do public speaking, the only videos I can even think of that are of how to do public speaking are those hitler videos Zolden was linking/talking about awhile ago |
| 03:39.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:39.31 | Bounty | You would really have to start small ArcanePariah |
| 03:39.41 | Bounty | unless you have money to buy TV time |
| 03:39.50 | ArcanePariah | True, as the old truism goes "All politics is local" |
| 03:39.56 | Bounty | Probably best off starting your own party |
| 03:40.03 | ArcanePariah | Nah |
| 03:40.05 | Bounty | Thats what I would do |
| 03:40.24 | ArcanePariah | Unless winner take all voting is changed, 3rd party is a waste |
| 03:40.34 | ArcanePariah | Voting for 3rd party = voting for top party |
| 03:40.39 | Bounty | Hitler was third party |
| 03:40.47 | Bounty | Just need to do it at the right time |
| 03:40.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:40.49 | ArcanePariah | Pretty much a mathematical reality. |
| 03:41.04 | Bounty | Once people get so fed up with the two parties... its going to happen. |
| 03:41.09 | ArcanePariah | Ok, you start a new party, you overthrow another party and we are back to 2 parties |
| 03:41.34 | Bounty | Well no, when you get into office you should make parties illegal lol |
| 03:41.35 | ArcanePariah | Every single time there has been a significant 3rd party, the system comes back to 2 parties within 2 elections |
| 03:41.48 | ArcanePariah | Cept that was tried a LOOONG time ago. |
| 03:41.57 | ArcanePariah | The founding fathers didn't like them either |
| 03:42.03 | Bounty | Like I said, outlaw them |
| 03:42.04 | ArcanePariah | But you can in no way outlaw them |
| 03:42.10 | Bounty | Of course you can |
| 03:42.14 | ArcanePariah | First Amendment is a bitch that way |
| 03:42.22 | ArcanePariah | Right to assemble and speak |
| 03:42.41 | Bounty | Rewrite it so exclude political parties |
| 03:42.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:42.54 | ArcanePariah | Now: Define what is a "political party" |
| 03:43.12 | ArcanePariah | And thus the road to a dictatorship is paved |
| 03:43.37 | Bounty | How so? |
| 03:44.10 | ArcanePariah | One of the first acts of any totalatarian government is usually to ban all other political factions of any kind. |
| 03:44.18 | Bounty | Dictatorships usually rely on the party system and exterminate all opposition |
| 03:44.34 | Bounty | exactly, all other |
| 03:44.44 | Bounty | I'm saying, ban them all, including the one you create lol |
| 03:45.04 | ArcanePariah | IN which case, you by extension ban any group making any political statement. |
| 03:45.21 | ArcanePariah | Thus a minority dictatorship backed my the military now rules |
| 03:45.27 | Bounty | Yeah, it would get tricky in the writing lol |
| 03:45.39 | ArcanePariah | Since no one can form any group to oppose you, because that would be a party = illegal = arrested |
| 03:46.07 | Bounty | Well it is kind of a dictatorship |
| 03:46.12 | Bounty | the party chooses its nominee |
| 03:46.29 | Bounty | btw, that system is so fucking confusing |
| 03:46.33 | Bounty | delegates |
| 03:47.00 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... welcome to Nazi Germany and the Soviet union, where the party secretaries controlled everything. Bormann controlled the Nazi's and Stalin was the Secretary under Lenin. |
| 03:48.19 | Bounty | Ironically, we're more fascist then Nazi Germany I think |
| 03:48.22 | Bounty | I could be wrong on that though |
| 03:49.03 | Bounty | I don't even think they ever were fascist though right? They were socialist |
| 03:52.58 | Bounty | We need a hero ArcanePariah >.< |
| 03:53.19 | ArcanePariah | Nah, we will be fine. We've been down this path before. |
| 03:53.28 | ArcanePariah | This is simply Gilded Age 2.0 |
| 03:53.49 | Bounty | If you're so optimistic then why care so much? |
| 03:54.02 | Bounty | That's something I never understood about people who are so optimistic lol |
| 03:54.35 | ArcanePariah | Because as much as I know things will turn out just fine, is still sucks to see how much we have to suffer to get there. |
| 03:55.18 | Bounty | Ah, never thought of it that way I suppose. |
| 03:58.23 | Bounty | I guess that is the only flaw of the optimistic view, have to suffer to get to the goods. While on the other hand, the pessimistic view lacks patience and wants it done now lol |
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| 04:04.31 | Bounty | http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/07/heroes-of-the-dorm-tournament-offers-free-college-tuition-for-winers?abthid=54fb792a4140f2a755000011 |
| 04:04.44 | Bounty | You would think that they would do something like that for the RTC Contests |
| 04:28.56 | draktok | yeah, but |
| 04:29.10 | draktok | why push the game when you can push your "next generation mobaa!!!1!1!1!!one!!!!1 |
| 04:29.19 | draktok | blizzard don't care about sc2, i know it |
| 04:29.27 | ArcanePariah | Incorrect |
| 04:29.39 | ArcanePariah | Otherwise they would not bother with an RTC contest at all |
| 04:30.13 | draktok | i work for big company |
| 04:30.23 | draktok | for a company to care about an event, we put a lot more than two people to manage it |
| 04:30.36 | draktok | two people doing rtc , is pretty company doesn't care |
| 04:30.51 | Bounty | They care, but not as much as other projects. |
| 04:30.57 | Bounty | Is what I think you're saying draktok |
| 04:31.32 | draktok | they care very minimally and to be honest |
| 04:32.07 | Bounty | Also, I would be more hesitant on the use of the word "They" |
| 04:32.11 | draktok | I'm pretty convinced that traysent and other community people are doing this on their end "hey boss, why don't we do a RTC contest?" as opposed to "hey Traysent, we want you to put together a RTC" |
| 04:32.27 | Bounty | If there is an issue, its probably coming from higher ups |
| 04:32.33 | draktok | make sense? |
| 04:32.55 | ArcanePariah | draktok: shouldn't that be how to do it? |
| 04:33.09 | draktok | for me, i work on a marketing an operations team |
| 04:33.12 | Bounty | Things don't usually come from top down draktok |
| 04:33.15 | draktok | 90% of my projects are from people above me |
| 04:33.23 | draktok | i have a feeling it's not that way with blizzard, or at least sc2 |
| 04:33.29 | Bounty | Blizzard is an insanely massive company |
| 04:33.31 | draktok | marketing and operations* team |
| 04:33.36 | ArcanePariah | That's now how it works with any game company at all |
| 04:33.37 | draktok | i work for a fortune 50 company |
| 04:33.41 | ArcanePariah | Most things uusally come from the bottom |
| 04:33.43 | draktok | it's a massive company. |
| 04:33.58 | draktok | but i don't work for a game company, it's a telecom company |
| 04:34.10 | Bounty | I think thats a bit diff lol |
| 04:34.16 | draktok | perhaps |
| 04:34.17 | Bounty | but |
| 04:34.18 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... well.. that's the main difference, telecoms are pretty top down heavy handed. |
| 04:34.24 | Bounty | lets assume what you said is true |
| 04:34.27 | ArcanePariah | Most tech companies are the exact opposite |
| 04:34.50 | Bounty | Wouldn't it be great that someone like Traysent could get something such as the RTC contest going just by bringing it up? |
| 04:35.13 | Bounty | To me, thats better than the alternative of it coming from the top |
| 04:35.21 | ArcanePariah | Also, with all due respect, most telecoms don't compete with anyone, and thus can ignore literally anything their customers say. |
| 04:35.28 | draktok | i just mean, from my perspective, i don't think such a thing would happen period if it wasn't FOR people like traysent |
| 04:35.31 | draktok | which, in some ways, is bad |
| 04:35.53 | Bounty | Well, there are more people then just Traysent pushing this thing |
| 04:36.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, it is a different culture. I expect the CM's to pitch ideas to management, not the other way around. |
| 04:36.05 | draktok | i'm just throwing a name we all know out |
| 04:36.21 | Bounty | So, how is bottom to top bad? |
| 04:36.34 | ArcanePariah | Managment should have ideas pitched to them by normal employees and then pick and choose from them. |
| 04:36.50 | draktok | i don't think it is 100% bad, i just mean, it requires the bottom to be motivated for projects |
| 04:36.55 | draktok | on my marketing team, everything comes from top down |
| 04:37.05 | draktok | very few things we pitch as opposed to the work we do from top down |
| 04:37.21 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, games are a bit different, and software too |
| 04:37.25 | Bounty | I think that the SC2 team probably feels like the D3 team did after it failed hard |
| 04:37.31 | Bounty | In the sense of the Arcade |
| 04:37.39 | Bounty | So I think they care a lot |
| 04:37.45 | draktok | did d3 fail hard? |
| 04:37.52 | Bounty | Vanilla? yeah lol |
| 04:37.54 | draktok | i thought it was pretty successful and i was the only one who hated it |
| 04:37.55 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, though I would remind that SC == Storm, its basically the same crew. |
| 04:37.58 | draktok | lol |
| 04:38.07 | Bounty | D3 sold well, and so did SC2 |
| 04:38.13 | Bounty | but the same problem happened |
| 04:38.16 | Bounty | it died |
| 04:38.21 | ArcanePariah | D3 sold TOO well |
| 04:38.25 | Bounty | BUT |
| 04:38.26 | draktok | changed stupid things that made the community look at the game and say wtf |
| 04:38.32 | Bounty | D3 has made a comeback |
| 04:38.43 | Bounty | and has a good steady play base |
| 04:38.51 | draktok | more than sc2? |
| 04:38.53 | ArcanePariah | Also, most of Blizzard's failing can be traced to a single thing |
| 04:38.55 | draktok | is there a place to see numbers? |
| 04:39.00 | Bounty | SC2 is easily the least played Blizzard game lol |
| 04:39.11 | draktok | yeah, but what does that mean? |
| 04:39.22 | draktok | i mean, when you have games that pulls 11million monthly players, how much is the "least" |
| 04:39.23 | draktok | ? |
| 04:39.36 | Bounty | It means that SC2 can be saved, if the people passionate about it can make a good pitch to the higher ups |
| 04:39.42 | Bounty | btw when I say SC2 |
| 04:39.45 | Bounty | I mean the Arcade |
| 04:40.13 | Bounty | I believe that because I honestly did not think D3 could be saved |
| 04:40.15 | Bounty | and they did it |
| 04:40.33 | ArcanePariah | Of course they did, it boils down to a simple ephiany they had. |
| 04:40.37 | draktok | well |
| 04:40.43 | draktok | sc2 is still played quite a bit competitively right? |
| 04:40.49 | draktok | isn't just the arcade the "dead" portion? |
| 04:40.52 | ArcanePariah | "Are we a game company or the MMO company?" We have our answer. |
| 04:40.53 | Bounty | epiphany ArcanePariah? |
| 04:40.59 | Bounty | typo? lol |
| 04:41.08 | draktok | i dated a gal named epiphany |
| 04:41.10 | draktok | she was crazy |
| 04:41.23 | ArcanePariah | draktok: neither, at Blizzcon they stated a 1/3 of the SC2 players go to the Arcade. |
| 04:41.25 | Bounty | I don't think that was why they were able to save D3 ArcanePariah |
| 04:41.31 | ArcanePariah | Yes it was |
| 04:41.32 | Bounty | The dev team didn't accept failure |
| 04:41.43 | ArcanePariah | That is part of the reason, but hear me out. |
| 04:41.43 | Bounty | Simple as that IMO |
| 04:41.47 | Bounty | Alright |
| 04:43.03 | draktok | well |
| 04:43.24 | Bounty | hes typing probably |
| 04:43.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:43.26 | draktok | i think wc3 garnerred a huge community (and still DOES on garena, mind you) because of such a big game like dota |
| 04:43.29 | draktok | what's the dota of sc2? |
| 04:43.32 | draktok | I don't think there is one... |
| 04:43.40 | ArcanePariah | Because of the success of wow, they went with the same logical progression for the developement of their next MMO, codenamed Titan. It had a massive team, 100+ people and some of their best as well. As a result, all other teams were drained of resources. Then hearthstone was made, wih a volunteer crew in their spare time. Given the constrast, Blizzard realized that bigger != better. As a consequence, they |
| 04:43.41 | ArcanePariah | cancelled/ended Titan and redistrubted resources back to all other teams. |
| 04:43.58 | ArcanePariah | That occured last summer. |
| 04:44.06 | ArcanePariah | The cancelling of Titan* |
| 04:44.13 | draktok | and i know, most players who played wc3, sure they only play dota - that's not a community - but it kept a lot of players still booting up wc3 for a very long time |
| 04:44.18 | Bounty | Yes but it still all boils down to passion ArcanePariah |
| 04:44.37 | Bounty | Admitting they were wrong and had to fix it |
| 04:44.45 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but passion is only half of it. No matter how passionate I may be about NOTD, I could not hope to complete it in the next month. |
| 04:45.06 | Bounty | You could if you gave it 100% |
| 04:45.14 | Bounty | which is unrealistic |
| 04:45.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:45.23 | ArcanePariah | So yes, being wise and knowing where to spend your resources is imporntant, but you first need to have the resources. |
| 04:45.25 | ArcanePariah | And no |
| 04:45.48 | ArcanePariah | There is simply far too much to build to even hope of fininshing in a month, and even if I did, it would be trash. |
| 04:45.52 | Bounty | I mean, you could be correct as well |
| 04:46.10 | Bounty | I say this because based on history, its no surprise what your argument is VS mine |
| 04:46.12 | ArcanePariah | Plenty of game developers from the 90's have made statements to that effect, that all night codathons do NOT work. |
| 04:46.23 | Bounty | In the sense that, yours is more technical |
| 04:47.03 | draktok | i did an all night codathan - i developed a very goofy flash game |
| 04:47.04 | ArcanePariah | Correct, if you are talking about design, my designer probably could finish in a month, and I could probably design the systems in a month, but implementing it, no way in hell. |
| 04:47.12 | draktok | let me see if i can find it, it's worth the 5 minute play in my opinion :D |
| 04:47.18 | Bounty | When I say 100% ArcanePariah I mean eliminating other things in your life so you can work on it more |
| 04:47.25 | Bounty | which is why I said its unrealistic |
| 04:47.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:47.35 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I'm assuming even that. It would not be humanly possible |
| 04:48.35 | Bounty | I don't know anything about what you guys are doing in NOTD 2 so I can't really argue it |
| 04:49.01 | ArcanePariah | Well, I got 10 classes to build, 15 side missions at least, and an entire shop mode. |
| 04:49.10 | ArcanePariah | And about 5 items |
| 04:49.21 | ArcanePariah | And I'm probably forgetting a few systems as well |
| 04:49.22 | Bounty | thats it? then its done? |
| 04:49.44 | ArcanePariah | Nope, still have 3 other factions to implement |
| 04:49.51 | ArcanePariah | Along with their AI's |
| 04:49.52 | Bounty | Are the classes and missions already done on paper? |
| 04:50.08 | ArcanePariah | If you mean designed? The classes are, the side missions are not. |
| 04:50.16 | Bounty | Ah |
| 04:50.19 | ArcanePariah | UI also still needs to be completed |
| 04:50.48 | Bounty | lol wtff |
| 04:50.51 | ArcanePariah | And I think we are going to go back and revised the first 3 classes |
| 04:50.57 | ArcanePariah | revise* |
| 04:50.58 | Bounty | what the hell is completed? if anything |
| 04:51.45 | ArcanePariah | Ammo/Custom Armor/Custom Camos, First 5 classes, primary storyline (needs revision), most weapons and items, zombie enemy faction, all bosses, most allied units. |
| 04:52.18 | ArcanePariah | Even core class is somewhat in flux, we are moving a few things off the command card into the main UI |
| 04:52.27 | ArcanePariah | Using UI hookups and triggers |
| 04:52.43 | Bounty | Sounds like you guys are planning for a shit load of content on day 1 |
| 04:52.49 | Bounty | Maybe shouldn't have? |
| 04:52.57 | ArcanePariah | Well it is in Alpha and available to play right now |
| 04:53.00 | draktok | I'm okay with a shitload |
| 04:53.04 | draktok | But, i've never beat NotD |
| 04:53.06 | draktok | should i play through it |
| 04:53.09 | draktok | or does it suck |
| 04:53.09 | Bounty | good reviews? |
| 04:53.13 | draktok | ;D |
| 04:53.32 | ArcanePariah | draktok: sure you can play through, recruit EC isn't that hard, I could carry you probably. |
| 04:53.42 | draktok | i have 2 friends |
| 04:53.45 | draktok | so, 3 of us |
| 04:53.54 | ArcanePariah | NOTD 1 has 4 storylines and 4 difficulties. |
| 04:54.05 | draktok | the one by |
| 04:54.07 | draktok | "ability" |
| 04:54.08 | draktok | ? |
| 04:54.10 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 04:54.26 | ArcanePariah | Ability is basically our ceo of sorts, he built the first NOTD and now does adminstrative stuff. |
| 04:54.38 | draktok | you guys are still patching notd |
| 04:54.38 | draktok | wow |
| 04:54.56 | draktok | playable with 3 people? |
| 04:54.59 | ArcanePariah | Yes, we are heading into EOL only nowish, |
| 04:55.04 | ArcanePariah | Yes, game scales to players |
| 04:55.14 | ArcanePariah | Many aspects of it take player count into consideration |
| 04:55.27 | ArcanePariah | Rewards, number of spawns, enemy scaling, etc. |
| 04:55.35 | Bounty | You guys probably should have asked for more money lol |
| 04:55.37 | draktok | ok |
| 04:56.03 | ArcanePariah | I worked on NOTD 1 for a year before starting work on NOTD 2, we have another coder who isdoing the patching for NOTD 1 and he will be joining me on NOTD 2 in a month or so. |
| 04:56.15 | ArcanePariah | NOTD 2 i expect to take at least another year to complete. |
| 04:56.26 | draktok | christ |
| 04:56.47 | ArcanePariah | NOTD 2 has been in development for about 15 months. |
| 04:57.13 | draktok | what's up with |
| 04:57.14 | ArcanePariah | We had to slow down over summer because of my internship. We go a bit slower now due to my school and other responabilties. |
| 04:57.16 | draktok | Pink models |
| 04:57.25 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, which ones? |
| 04:57.29 | draktok | Friends and i never had this issue, now there is totally shit that is pink models all the time in editor, annoying |
| 04:57.41 | draktok | don't think its your map, i think it's sc2 arcane |
| 04:57.48 | draktok | we notice this in all kinds of maps where a model doesn't load, and it's just pink |
| 04:57.51 | ArcanePariah | Normally that occurs when textures can not be found/loaded |
| 04:58.14 | ArcanePariah | Usually one needs textures loaded into memory before game start, known as preloading |
| 04:58.17 | draktok | yeah, wha'ts the fix? like, medic and zombies are all pink right now |
| 04:59.04 | ArcanePariah | Well, in the recent patches they were doing some alterations to models, so it may be related to that. The other possiblity, as remote as it is, is that the game is exceeding your GPU memory (but I very much doubt this). |
| 04:59.18 | draktok | nah |
| 04:59.19 | ArcanePariah | The only other time I had that issue is after I had some corrupted RAM |
| 04:59.36 | draktok | dunno, ram is old - 5 years now, but i have a 780 (2gb?), it's not related to graphics |
| 04:59.50 | draktok | it's random, if i reloap map, it fixes, but i feel i hsouldn't have to do that, meh |
| 04:59.55 | ArcanePariah | But yes, I've been doing NOTD stuff for close to 4.5 years now |
| 05:00.40 | ArcanePariah | Good crew overall, basically a 5 person team with occasional help from others. |
| 05:00.58 | draktok | that's good man |
| 05:01.04 | draktok | not often you can keep the same team together |
| 05:01.30 | ArcanePariah | Well, the interesting thing that I've found and surprised me is how few modders even have a team at all |
| 05:01.33 | Bounty | I assume the KS funds already ran out ArcanePariah? |
| 05:01.35 | ArcanePariah | Seems most run solo |
| 05:01.49 | Bounty | raises hand |
| 05:01.53 | ArcanePariah | Bounty yes, that was almost incidental, mostly to pay for certain art assets |
| 05:01.54 | draktok | * raises hand |
| 05:01.55 | Bounty | Solo is the way to go lol |
| 05:02.20 | draktok | i think, people will be happy with rabbits vs sheep when it releases next patch |
| 05:02.22 | Bounty | Except modelers, I'll work with them |
| 05:02.23 | draktok | and, then i will be done |
| 05:02.27 | Bounty | since I am no artist |
| 05:02.30 | draktok | unless someone wants to help create heroes / patches |
| 05:02.33 | draktok | but, i wil be done on my end |
| 05:02.42 | ArcanePariah | Well, maybe not, I can't design for shit. My designer sort of knows the editor. So individually we would be meh. But combined -> NOTD 2 and NOTD 1 stuff. |
| 05:03.01 | draktok | well, yeah i guess i do the same - with bounty , i don't know how to model - but thanks to blizzard i don't need to model, hehehe |
| 05:03.02 | ArcanePariah | draktok: are you guys playing right now? |
| 05:03.08 | draktok | yeah we just started a game |
| 05:03.12 | draktok | wanna hop in? |
| 05:03.16 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, how far? |
| 05:03.16 | draktok | we can restart |
| 05:03.17 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 05:03.21 | draktok | like, first objective |
| 05:03.29 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yeah, restart |
| 05:04.16 | draktok | whats your bnet name |
| 05:04.35 | ArcanePariah | And some of the players of NOTD have played it... a LOOONG time. One player has max rank with nearly 400k XP |
| 05:04.42 | ArcanePariah | ArcanePariah#1920 |
| 05:04.47 | draktok | wow |
| 05:05.18 | ArcanePariah | Before I started doing dev... well you will see :D |
| 06:11.43 | draktok | hehe |
| 06:12.05 | ArcanePariah | So there you go |
| 06:12.12 | ArcanePariah | It only gets harder from there |
| 06:12.23 | ArcanePariah | Other enemies, more missions, etc. |
| 06:12.27 | draktok | Neat game, lots of love and care put into it |
| 06:12.36 | draktok | Not really my cup of tea, i have to admit, but , it is a well made game |
| 06:12.54 | ArcanePariah | Understandable, it is very team based and very very very unforgiving |
| 06:13.00 | ArcanePariah | As you saw, I fucked up once and died |
| 06:13.33 | ArcanePariah | 15 classes in total, the classes change depending on story |
| 06:13.34 | draktok | i fucked up lots |
| 06:13.35 | draktok | LOL |
| 06:14.07 | Bounty | Anyone know how one would go about getting cool looking fonts? Like Warcraft or Starcraft Fonts |
| 06:14.07 | ArcanePariah | EC is the tank and spank kind of story, 2 tank classes. AC is about massive firepower against massive hordes. And Sec team is about trickery and dancing a lot |
| 06:14.18 | Bounty | Or is that something only photoshop can do |
| 06:14.25 | ArcanePariah | You can import fonts |
| 06:14.38 | ArcanePariah | Text module |
| 06:14.41 | Bounty | Yes but they're always stale and not really like the kind I am looking for |
| 06:14.54 | Bounty | I want the colors and all |
| 06:15.06 | ArcanePariah | Colors are done by applying them to the text |
| 06:15.09 | pirate | are you talking actual fonts? |
| 06:15.17 | pirate | or clip art styled logo text? |
| 06:15.31 | Bounty | http://www.dafont.com/starcraft.font |
| 06:15.41 | Bounty | so how would I get that to look like the Starcraft text? |
| 06:16.32 | ArcanePariah | So draktok, any questions about the technical side of NOTD? |
| 06:16.41 | ArcanePariah | ANything you would like to understand how it was done? |
| 06:16.44 | pirate | are you asking how to import free cool looking custom fonts such as: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/orbitron |
| 06:17.10 | draktok | Hum - i have to play it a few more times to play around - not QUITE, BUT i know i saw something ... i will ask when i remember :) |
| 06:17.25 | pirate | or are you asking how to generate logo text such as: http://r68.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext115235296256037.png |
| 06:17.26 | draktok | i need to have to play mine, then yours again, and then think, what would be relevant |
| 06:17.30 | Bounty | like this http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2364671-world-of-warcraft-logo.jpg |
| 06:17.34 | ArcanePariah | Understandable. |
| 06:17.35 | Bounty | the "Warcraft" part |
| 06:17.42 | Bounty | do any fonts just come like that? |
| 06:17.46 | ArcanePariah | As your friend noted, lots of stuff to unlock |
| 06:18.15 | ArcanePariah | Classes, stats, medals. There is also an ingame shop, you can buy weapon mods, custom colors, custom pet, etc. |
| 06:19.50 | pirate | @bounty so logo text. Not really. Instead do this: http://bit.ly/1KESapn |
| 06:20.57 | pirate | You won't be able to find anything of WoW title quality outside of image editing, but there are many serviceable options |
| 06:21.25 | pirate | as for getting such "text" into your game, you'll have to import the generated image |
| 06:21.31 | draktok | I'm not too happy about the |
| 06:21.38 | draktok | You can only apply stats at the begining TBH ;p |
| 06:22.27 | pirate | Fonts themselves cannot be that fancy due to the nature of fonts... which you'd know if you'd read through that design course I sent you months ago :P |
| 06:22.28 | ArcanePariah | Understandable, the issue was that people abused it. Partly players abusing it, partly an implementation limitation. The stat changes are applied as behaviors. Problem is, one of them gives max hp |
| 06:22.48 | ArcanePariah | Which by exetions, also gives hp. |
| 06:23.02 | ArcanePariah | So players would add that stat, remove it, then add it back, to heal themselves |
| 06:27.33 | draktok | ahhh |
| 06:27.38 | draktok | makes sense |
| 06:27.42 | draktok | too bad for cheaters :( |
| 06:52.29 | Bounty | Oh god, $102 on Kava |
| 06:52.37 | Bounty | Better last long lol |
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| 10:21.29 | Scorp_ | I'm sort of having an urgent issue |
| 10:21.46 | Scorp_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/76217-help-dependency-data-could-not-be-loaded/#p1 |
| 10:22.48 | Scorp_ | the editor crashed my computer, and one particular document for TotalBiscuit's Clan Wars cannot be loaded |
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| 15:25.17 | Zolden | Casper_ search ofr a "fireball" tutorial on mapster |
| 15:35.31 | Cheekything | scorp if you tested the map it'll be in your bnet cache |
| 15:36.07 | Cheekything | you may be able to open it and re save it |
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| 16:21.37 | Zolden | magically sends duckies in the early 21 century as a mapmaker |
| 16:23.43 | duckies | lurks mapmaking forums and and works on maps that will never get released |
| 16:24.41 | Zolden | edits the copy of the universe duckies trapped in, and adds unity as an alternative to mapmaking |
| 16:25.49 | duckies | works on a NES inspired platformer |
| 16:29.10 | duckies | hm, come to think of it, if I started to work with standalone engines right from the strart I would have probably finished more than I have with sc/sc2 mapmaking |
| 16:30.37 | Zolden | maybe today is right the start, who knows |
| 16:31.04 | Zolden | working with sc2 editor gaves a nice large scale vision experience that you would lack if started from the engines |
| 16:31.58 | duckies | well, I did gain some work ethic/discipline regarding mapmakign lately |
| 16:32.28 | duckies | and the more I spend time with sc2 the more I ponder if I should be doing stuff with unity instead |
| 16:32.55 | Zolden | mua ha ha! unity harvests souls! |
| 16:33.17 | Zolden | it starts with doubts and thoughs, and then BOOM! IT GOT YOU, MOTHERFUCKER!@ |
| 16:34.21 | duckies | but ya know, I just want to make games, and atm I wired to precieve game concepts in sc2 editor scale. There are just so many nice things that can be done, especially now that I've developed some discipline. I just want to try it out and make more stuff |
| 16:38.04 | Zolden | doubts won't go away, every time you feel how your sweet dreams keep breaking up on the rock of editor routines and limits, a light of hope will brighten a spot around you and keep calling you up to the heaven of unity |
| 16:38.43 | Zolden | and one day you develop wings strong enough to overthrown the gravity of the editor, and rise following the light! |
| 16:41.42 | duckies | I don't crave for unlimited skies. I like and adore restrictions. These walls make you think of alternative approaches and methods. Working around things, or learinig how to get the most out of what you have. It's nice, like card games or like the life itself. |
| 16:43.10 | duckies | but then again, there are always some restrictions in place, mostly resources such as time, assets or own capability |
| 16:43.49 | duckies | so maybe I won't miss much if I were to step out of one sandbox into an other, much larger sandbox |
| 16:45.22 | duckies | so, eh, unity inception is real, somewhere at the back of my skull, wishing there were more of me to do all the things I like in different environmenst |
| 16:46.45 | Zolden | clones duckies, watches how all copies work in sc2 editor, kills all of them except one |
| 16:48.34 | duckies | I shoud have went to be teacher instead, planting my poisonous ideology into minds of younglings, I could have inserted my approaches to various fields and sources, I could have been so many, but instead I'm now just one :< |
| 16:51.01 | duckies | If I had clones I'd be doing frigging everything, but instead I'm just focusing one thing that gives me more fuzzy feelings over all other thigs with this single resource unit that I poses. |
| 16:53.53 | duckies | goes off to do more disciplinary mapmaking |
| 16:56.01 | Zolden | raises the rifle, points duckies back, slowly pushes the trigger, doubting when the rifle almost fires, releases the trigger after a dramatic pause, puts the rifle down, watches duckies walking away in the dark fog of hopelessness |
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| 17:01.50 | Repo | New map: The Haunted MOBA - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/haunted-moba/ |
| 17:06.29 | duckies | ponders as fog envelops him, what makes him map. The process of design, the assets, or the the childhood memories of bw that make him adore the platform and wheither all of this work is just chasing a dead dream. As the fog eats away last of his feathery body, he looks back, smiles, and makes a step forward into the black. He is seen no more. |
| 17:09.28 | Zolden | beaks are too hard to bend into a smile |
| 17:10.45 | Zolden | acid fog must have softened it |
| 17:12.50 | duckies | must have been an optical illusion |
| 17:13.28 | Zolden | yea, I belive everything I see in my rifle's optics is an illusion to not regret |
| 17:13.33 | duckies | or a mutation from long exposure to toxic environment |
| 17:13.49 | duckies | we'll never know >_> |
| 17:18.27 | duckies | oh wow, sc2 clan name: [ISlS] Praise AlIah Bomb BLlZZARD HQ |
| 17:19.17 | duckies | well, that's one way to play the game :3 |
| 17:33.52 | Zolden | A1win is "The Legend of the Black Shawarma" a remix of something or an original composition? |
| 17:34.02 | A1win | original |
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| 17:34.14 | A1win | it's the title song of the album |
| 17:35.38 | Zolden | it starts great, then after 1 minute intro in turns into shitty dub step, and then it's back to fun |
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| 17:35.51 | A1win | mmh |
| 17:36.12 | A1win | maybe you have some remix of it then? |
| 17:36.21 | A1win | don't think there's any dubstep in it |
| 17:36.30 | Zolden | it doesn't have no "remix" in its name |
| 17:36.48 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uLK4hDJC84 |
| 17:37.10 | Zolden | maybe it's something shitty that ius not dybstep, sist bas rythm with poor melodic contents |
| 17:37.24 | A1win | dunno, I like it |
| 17:38.31 | Zolden | 0:58 -> step to the ground after an nice fly |
| 17:39.16 | Zolden | 3:13 -> back to ok |
| 17:39.37 | A1win | isn't that common in psy, have a "slow" start while building towards action |
| 17:39.43 | A1win | need to listen to it a few times to "get" it |
| 17:40.22 | A1win | they have a lot of songs that I didn't really care for on the first few listens, and then turned the best ones in the end |
| 17:41.25 | Zolden | it wasn't slow, the rhythm was already there, and it was dramatic, emotional, changable - and then that bass explicit rhythm pined the butterfly |
| 17:42.04 | Zolden | yea, it's a good thing, when songs open their quality after a couple of listenes |
| 17:42.29 | Zolden | means they have more potential to prolong the time till they get boring |
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| 18:51.52 | Zolden | A1win do infected mushrooms and hallucinogen share musicians? |
| 18:52.19 | A1win | nope, hallucinogen is Simon Posford (solo artist), he's member of Shpongle and Younger Brother |
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| 18:52.40 | A1win | they've made at least one collaboration I think, let me check what it was... |
| 18:53.28 | Zolden | i just checked a hallucinogen song, and noticed 5/8 rhythm size, which is pretty innovative for the genre |
| 18:54.22 | Zolden | or rather 10/16 mixed with 8/8 |
| 18:56.03 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Esn7kU8Qc |
| 18:56.19 | A1win | Members: Amit Duvdevani, Erez Aizen, Infected Mushroom, Michele Adamson, Simon Posford |
| 18:56.30 | A1win | (first two are the core members of IM) |
| 18:56.45 | A1win | michele adamson is shpongle vocalist, has done some psy on her own as well |
| 18:57.06 | A1win | I think that's the only song they've made together |
| 18:59.26 | Zolden | nice visuals in that vid |
| 18:59.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:03.21 | A1win | this one's awesome too, collaboration between IM, Yahel, and Dj Jörg (same guy who they collaborated with for The Messenger): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltbU17YIlkM |
| 19:04.42 | A1win | I think I know a bit too much about those artists, haha. :x |
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| 19:06.27 | A1win | http://www.last.fm/user/A1win/charts?subtype=artists |
| 19:07.58 | A1win | Damn, I think I don't have last.fm output enabled on my PC for some reason |
| 19:08.17 | A1win | shows only stuff from my android device |
| 19:08.36 | A1win | hmm it should be, though |
| 19:10.01 | Zolden | it showed some ridiculous numbers |
| 19:10.13 | Zolden | like 27k listens per IM |
| 19:10.20 | A1win | yeah, it's since 2004, haha |
| 19:10.50 | A1win | ah now it works again, I tried turning it off and then on again. |
| 19:11.36 | A1win | I hope it hasn't been off for too long... |
| 19:11.46 | A1win | might have made quite a gap |
| 19:12.32 | Zolden | if they have 100 songs in their discography, you listened 270 times each? |
| 19:12.56 | A1win | yeah, few years ago I had like over 400 listens to Heavyweight, probably more now |
| 19:13.32 | Zolden | I can't listen any song more than 10 times, it just stops bringing emotions, I consume it |
| 19:13.45 | A1win | 893 <.< |
| 19:13.49 | A1win | http://www.last.fm/user/A1win/charts?subtype=tracks |
| 19:13.52 | Zolden | like a vampire its victim |
| 19:14.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:14.05 | Zolden | insane |
| 19:14.23 | A1win | I was a huuge IM fan from 2004 and several years ahead |
| 19:14.41 | A1win | if you look at last 12 months, it's much more saturated between artists |
| 19:14.59 | A1win | or not, haha |
| 19:15.11 | A1win | still like 6 times more of IM than the next artist |
| 19:15.54 | A1win | but anyway, that's data over 11 years |
| 19:16.17 | Zolden | you must be having a special mechanism that makes you forget the impression and listen again as you never heard it |
| 19:16.24 | A1win | :x |
| 19:16.36 | A1win | nah, they just keep getting better as I listen to them |
| 19:16.58 | A1win | the first impressions are less than good, but then they get better the more I listen |
| 19:17.33 | Zolden | is Shamanix song falters on purpose? |
| 19:17.38 | Zolden | or i have fucked version? |
| 19:17.45 | A1win | what's falter? |
| 19:18.20 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwKtdmuxF_s |
| 19:18.21 | Zolden | stumple |
| 19:18.35 | A1win | what time is that? |
| 19:18.36 | Zolden | stammer |
| 19:18.37 | A1win | or all the time? |
| 19:18.40 | Zolden | sometimes |
| 19:19.18 | A1win | there were lots of fucked up versions of songs from p2p networks |
| 19:19.45 | A1win | and there were also lots of songs that were renamed for an entirely different artist |
| 19:19.59 | A1win | IM had like 20 songs named for them that weren't actually theirs |
| 19:23.13 | Zolden | yea, maybe the case, p2p fuckities |
| 19:29.15 | A1win | Shamanix is a really unique song |
| 19:30.19 | A1win | this remix of LSD is possibly the best thing from Hallucinogen, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2KGbYlZYs |
| 19:30.58 | A1win | remixed by Ott I think |
| 19:44.59 | Zolden | A1win do you code while listening this stuff or in silence? |
| 19:45.19 | Zolden | oh, I recognize Ott's bass habit |
| 19:45.44 | A1win | mostly in silence, sometimes I have music but it does distract a bit |
| 19:46.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:46.11 | A1win | Years ago I did everything while listening to psy and stuff, though |
| 19:46.17 | Zolden | cause they share abstract thinking brain areas |
| 19:47.19 | Zolden | also, music perception has implicit visual component, so, listening reduces the amoun of visualization resources available |
| 19:48.07 | Zolden | only being on spylocibine shows how big the visual complonent is in music perception |
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| 20:54.59 | Zolden | http://i.imgur.com/SHXoqsC.jpg |
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