IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20150301

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05:49.41GattakhanDeadZergling!
05:50.17GattakhanI got that button working!
05:51.29GattakhanApparently, you not only need a 76x76 .dds 5 image, but it NEEDS to have a 4 pixel border that is empty (alpha).
05:53.05GattakhanTurns out the UI button graphics are layered underneath the actual icon graphics, so without that see-through 4 pixel border, it gets covered up. wth right? lol
05:55.31GattakhanThe last things I need to do are to get the Ultralisk/Brood Lord's Frenzied ability on another unit (doesn't matter which one), and also make Attack moving trigger melee attacks against the closest target.
05:56.15GattakhanAnd not fire off the ranged attack unless there's nothing within a certain range to use to the melee attack on.
06:19.33ArcanePariahVery nice Gattakhan
06:20.10ArcanePariahAs for for your melee vs ranged attack, is this visual or are they 2 different weapons?
06:24.56Gattakhan2 Weapons. One ranged, one melee. I want a 1.25 scan range on the melee attack though so when just outside of melee range (0.50), the unit will move in to initiate melee attacks.
06:25.44GattakhanThe problem I'm having is that the unit, when in melee range, might attack the unit next to it, but most of the time it chooses to fire at range at something else.
06:25.56ArcanePariahAhh
06:26.30ArcanePariahOne moment, I'll pull up the editor and tell you what you need to alter to fix that.
06:26.38GattakhanSo it sort of defeats the purpose of the initiating scan range and the melee attack in general.
06:28.10ArcanePariahNow, question, do you want to still be able to fire at range, if manually ordered to do so?
06:28.24ArcanePariahEven if an enemy is in melee range?
06:29.24GattakhanYup\
06:29.48GattakhanThis applies to basically if I was Attack-moving into a group
06:30.28GattakhanI want the guys in melee range to do their melee attacks if they are in scan range, and the rest will fire off volleys from the range weapons.
06:31.00GattakhanBut if I want to snipe something outside of melee range, I want to be able to manually.
06:32.51GattakhanAnd once the sniped thing dies, and |I don't give another action, they go back to melee when possible.
06:34.02ArcanePariahOk, for the ranged weapon, I would set a minimum range, and you may already have done so
06:34.28GattakhanI know what there are target filters, but I don't think  it can do what I want them to do. This might be a behavior thing which I know nothing about yet.
06:34.43ArcanePariahCorrect, target filters are not needed here.
06:34.53GattakhanYeah the minimum range is 1.26, one about the melee scan range.
06:36.03GattakhanSee, how I have it set up, it works great against structures because they are large, single targets. But against blobs of units, it starts getting messy and most of the units fire off at range with units in front of them.
06:36.29Gattakhanone **above** the melee scan range*
06:37.07GattakhanAt targets outside of melee range
06:37.23GattakhanMy dirty workaround only half works lol.
06:40.59ArcanePariahHmmm... strange, I would examine the hydralisks. They also have 2 weapons, one for melee and one for ranged, purely for visuals, but they also choose to use the melee and target nearby stuff first
06:41.14GattakhanI am so close to done, but not at all close to figuring out how most of the data editor works.
06:41.33ArcanePariahThat's fine, I've spent nearly 2 years doing this and even I do not know all of it.
06:43.04ArcanePariahWhat I would do is leave the scan stuff alone, but set the melee weapon to use the melee flag.
06:43.10ArcanePariahIf you wish, paste the XML for your weapons
06:43.15GattakhanI hope Blizzard really pulls out the stops in making their editor more accessible. That time may have passed though, who knows.
06:43.59Gattakhanhm
06:49.15GattakhanI have the flag set already
06:49.57GattakhanI thought I had to do that in order to split the weapons into separate weapons and have them work.
06:50.03ArcanePariahI do not think they will. Part of the issue is that the editor was designed with certain assumptions/usage expectations, which worked well for Blizzard but doesn't translate well for a sole modder. Namely, it was designed to be very modular and very team oriented. In a team arrangement, one can learn the data editor solo, and not need to know triggers or UI or text.
06:50.22ArcanePariahDo you have 2 actual different weapons?
06:50.48GattakhanSo I just left it. Either way that flag hasn't changed the fact that they still want to shoot things when they can chomp on things.
06:51.06ArcanePariah(I know I may be asking obvious questions, but in my experience, it is always a good idea to cover the bases)
06:51.42ArcanePariahOne thing Blizzard may be working on is providing more tooltips, I think that would go a long way with helping in the data editor.
06:52.04GattakhanNono, ask what you think will help, there have been a ton of thing I missed that were obvious along the way. I don't expect it to stop now lol.
06:52.23ArcanePariahSince we are on the subject, would having more tooltips make data more approachable/accessible?
06:53.02ArcanePariahhttps://pastee.org/ use this to paste the XML for your weapons, so I can examine them
06:53.23GattakhanThey are separate, I even have it so they upgrade separately, and receive less damage per upgrade. I also have the icons working properly to update with the appropriate upgrade levels.
06:54.39GattakhanI think they need not only better tooltips, but official video tutorials to follow that covers a basic example of a module, and then another that demonstrates a more advanced example.
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06:55.35GattakhanOften time, with tutorials that assume people will fill in the blanks, they don't know how things work so the next step is unknown. It's like a math problem you only know how to solve part of.
06:56.22GattakhanOne to get your feet wet, another to show you how to get crafty with it to really make it bend for you.
06:57.31GattakhanThere are too many tutorials that simply get you to go into a menu and pick an ability from a list, and then voila, you have a custom unit with a custom ability. There is so much more to making a custom "anything".
06:59.20Gattakhanhttps://pastee.org/vyhku
06:59.27Gattakhanpass is arcane
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07:01.45GattakhanMP is the ranged attack, MP Melee is obviously....melee..lol
07:07.17ArcanePariahNow, what is the range on the melee, I see nothing listed here, so it defaults to 5
07:09.52GattakhanAnything not listed is considered unchanged. Annoying, I know.
07:09.58GattakhanIt's 0.5
07:10.30ArcanePariahAhh, you are using the swarm multi dependency and modifying that data, yes?
07:14.34ArcanePariahWhat you may need to do is what the hydralisk does, have the cooldown link be the same thing for both weapons.
07:15.21ArcanePariahI think the issue is arising from the fact that the melee weapon is slower then the ranged one. IT iniates a a melee attack, and by the time it complete it, the melee attack is still cooling down, so it then uses the range attack.
07:15.46ArcanePariahAnd due to the slight difference in attack speed of them, it will lead to more and more ranged attacks.
07:25.45GattakhanI made a custom upgrade that increases the attack period of the melee attack to 0.8 from 1.0 and it still seems to do it.
07:26.12GattakhanAfter the upgrade. The upgrade works too! Flawlessly as far as I can tell.
07:26.37ArcanePariahDoes the weapon have random periods? Or did you set those to 0?
07:27.01ArcanePariahMight need to set the random delay max and min to 0
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08:13.48GattakhanIt definitely looks better with no delay on melee attack, but a small amount on ranged attack,
08:14.53GattakhanI gtg for the night, ttyl Arcane I appreciate the help.
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08:17.18ArcanePariahno problem
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09:01.52Delphinium0.0
09:02.00DelphiniumHi guys, long time no see
09:03.00Delphiniumhttp://puu.sh/ghAxd/1bf766c5f7.gif
09:03.21DelphiniumI have made some special stuffs these days.
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11:50.18Goa_earns 1000 xp for managing implementing google play services into his untiy game after restarting his phone solved all the bugs about it:)
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12:27.53RommperTwoDie, do you installed PTR?
12:28.23TwoDiey
12:29.15Rommperi did a ptr version of the wc1 mod
12:29.23Rommpermost likely i will upload today
12:40.50duckieswhaaaat? a wc1 mod, what's that?
12:41.48Rommperi don't know
12:41.55Rommperjust sounds cool :P
12:42.49duckiesdoes it have those warlocks summoning spiders?
12:43.08Rommperyeah
12:44.27Rommperjust don't poke them
12:49.09TwoDiei did nothing for months now
12:49.14TwoDiewont do anything soon to
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14:25.33Delphiniumhttp://puu.sh/ghAxd/1bf766c5f7.gif
14:25.39Delphinium0.0
14:26.07TwoDiecreeps
14:31.05TwoDiehttp://i.imgur.com/DXHCIwG.jpg
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14:38.04Rommperokay
14:38.08Rommperuploaded the map
14:38.10Rommperaaaand
14:38.13Rommperit works!
14:40.39Rommperwho wanna play a test match?
14:43.29TwoDiekay
14:45.59Rommperwhat is your battle.net TwoDie?
14:46.07TwoDietwodie
14:46.25TwoDiebattlenet://starcraft/profile/98/1548717103303884800
14:49.39TwoDiebattlenet://starcraft/group/98/277
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14:50.43Rommpername/code Twodie?
14:50.54Rommperthis shit always open me the non ptr sc2
14:51.25TwoDieim in lobby
14:52.00TwoDieu could paste the link in any chat
14:52.03TwoDieand click on it
14:52.09TwoDieto open it
14:52.13TwoDieprofiles and chats
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16:52.48ZoldenTwoDie hey
16:53.13TwoDiesup u zoldarium
16:53.14RommperDon't tell him TwoDie!
16:53.23ZoldenTELL ME!!!!
16:53.46ZoldenI made this http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/55/720/glossy_immo.gif
16:54.07Zoldenglossy shit
16:54.17ZoldenRommper show me a screen from you wc1 map
16:54.28Rommperpimp my Immortal
16:54.33Rommperwhy don't you go and play it
16:54.46Rommpersome match with TwoDie for example
16:55.12Zoldeni don't have ptr
16:55.57TwoDiezolden saw ur zealot one
16:56.05TwoDieshinny things as always
16:56.34TwoDierommper
16:56.36TwoDiehttp://snag.gy/amw12.jpg
16:57.13Goa_Zolden managed to implement Google game services
16:57.21Goa_its pretty easy to do
16:57.32Rommpergood
16:57.47Goa_and my flappy egg 3d is pending on google app
16:57.56ZoldenGoa_ manually?
16:58.01Goa_yeah
16:58.05Zoldencool
16:58.09Zoldenglad it's easy
16:58.18Goa_with the official sdk they release for unity
16:58.29ZoldenGoa_ can it allow to exchange save files?
16:58.41Goa_?
16:58.43Goa_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmHXl-UFTqM
16:58.43Zoldensdk for unity? even cooler, dude
16:59.07ZoldenGoa_ I want people to exchange the genomes of their evolved creatures and see who win
16:59.40Goa_I think that might be possible
16:59.54Goa_there are some stuff for turn based multiplayer and stuff like that
17:00.15Zoldenok, I'l use that probably
17:00.28Goa_https://github.com/playgameservices/play-games-plugin-for-unity
17:01.40Zoldenty
17:01.59Goa_well, now looking into it, you probably wont be able to do that with google game services
17:03.49Goa_Ohh its alive!!!!!
17:03.50Zoldenwell, i'll read, will see
17:04.10Goa_https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.go4.flappyegg3d
17:04.12Goa_RATE IT
17:06.37Zoldendownloading
17:06.43RommperGo4 productions xD
17:06.44Zoldenhow much time it took to be approved?
17:06.58Zoldenlol
17:07.40Rommper• Realistic flapping xD
17:08.03Goa_Zolden 2-3 hours
17:08.03Rommper• Musical masterpiece by the maker of the game
17:08.32Zoldenlol
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17:10.20Zoldennice mesmerizing music
17:11.35Zoldenit says I'm on the first place
17:11.42Zoldensuck that noobs!
17:11.56Goa_:D
17:14.37ZoldenTwoDie moved to unity already?
17:14.45TwoDienope
17:14.51Goa_very psychodelic :D
17:14.57Goa_its psychedelic.
17:14.59Goa_:D
17:15.08Goa_ohh now I get it
17:15.17Zoldenamybe english isn't my first language
17:15.19Goa_me tard
17:15.35Goa_psycho delic
17:16.21Zoldendictionary says it's a word
17:19.07Goa_lol
17:19.55Zoldenno post your new game
17:20.06Zoldenmy record in your egg game is unbeatable
17:24.45Rommperis it 1 Zolden?
17:29.47Zoldendo I look like a superman? a bit lower... but only a little bit
17:29.48Goa_ohh great
17:30.01Goa_my 5000 score still there from testing
17:30.23Goa_stupid google, why didnt it reset it after publishing
17:33.30Zoldenit says I'm first
17:37.18TwoDierommper report how it looks in game
17:37.23TwoDieand put some units on top of it
17:37.29TwoDiestructures surrounding them
17:38.27Goa_Zolden really? then it probably shows only for me otherwise cause I am the developer
17:40.34Rommperi can do it only later
17:40.43Zoldenlet others post something too, I'm curious
17:40.46Rommperi need to do school stuff atm
17:41.04Zoldenlol
17:41.29ZoldenTwoDie why you modelling slaving for such noobs?
17:41.34Zoldenschool stuff, huh?
17:41.36Goa_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pornhub-turns-masturbation-into-energy-in-bid-to-save-the-planet-10075422.html
17:42.57TwoDiezolden cause im lazy fuck
17:43.04TwoDieand lazy work i can do
17:43.05TwoDieeasy
17:43.14Zoldenunity is easy
17:43.26Zoldenmodelling and mapmaking are very hard relatively to happy coding
17:44.51ZoldenToday I boiled the last pasta package from the stack I purchased before the new year, when ruble dropped badly, and I thought it will lead to a crysis with no food in shops
17:45.38Zoldenwe russians are very crysis-sensible
17:47.09Goa_Zolden so what sites you know I can try my luck with posting shit about my flappy egg on it?:)
17:49.29Rommperhow is the situation now there?
17:49.32RommperZolden
17:50.11ZoldenGoa_ actually none of the sites I tried brought me any downloads, I think
17:50.23Goa_great
17:50.27Goa_only reddit I guess?
17:50.55ZoldenGoa_ yea, on reddit there's androig games subreddit
17:51.10Zoldenalso I posted Quadrium on puzzles subreddit
17:51.21Zoldenyou can try to post on these forums though
17:51.22Zoldenhttp://www.androidpit.com
17:51.29Zoldenhttp://forum.xda-developers.com
17:51.34Zoldenhttp://androidforums.com
17:52.39Zoldenhttp://www.androidtapp.com/
17:53.35ZoldenRommper no changes
17:53.59Zoldenpeople say crysis will strike in april
17:54.17Zoldenso, I"ll purchase one more pasta stack soon :)
17:55.53ZoldenGoa_ but what brought the most downloads - I don't know. That recent sudden explosion brought 9K downloads
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19:06.32TwoDie.
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19:53.08TwoDiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jEHPH30NVc
20:11.39Zoldenfuck that shit eater
20:11.47Zoldenhttps://www.youtwod.com/watch?v=8jEHPH30NVc
20:35.41TwoDie:O
21:16.42Goa_muhaha http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/75913-shameful-ad-of-my-unity-game/
21:19.04GattakhanYup.
21:19.25GattakhanIt's me again. Your resident newb.
21:20.06GattakhanSo I ran into this.
21:20.18Gattakhanhttp://i.imgur.com/TVIcE1p.jpg
21:21.41GattakhanPicture explains it, but in case you dont feel like looking at it, I have to know how this works. Frenzy showing up in game, with no apparent links to the actual units using it.
21:22.06GattakhanBrood Lord's data list looks just like Ultralisks--devoid of any hints.
21:23.44GattakhanI thought this one was going to be easy but I've picked apart the editor to figure it out myself and can't make sense of it.
21:24.07Goa_click on the command card icon where it is in the game
21:24.23Goa_sometimes its there "hidden"
21:24.49Goa_I mean the empty command card icon in the editor
21:26.10Goa_otherwise, rename the unit and start the game so you can make sure it is really that unit in the game too....
21:37.14TwoDieshameful display
21:38.48GattakhanHmm. Well I checked the data navigator too and there is nothing tied to the Ultralisk that appears to be Frenzied.
21:39.36TwoDiehttp://i.imgur.com/rvw2TYW.jpg
21:40.24GattakhanYou're saying they have Ultralisk and Broodlord could be listed under other unit names?
21:40.37Gattakhan-they +that*
21:45.07DeadZerglingGattakhan, is typically multiple of the same unit for diff game versions
21:45.15DeadZerglingI've seen that behavior clearly on the ultra
21:45.35DeadZerglinglike a multiplayer version of ultra, and a single player version
21:45.45GattakhanI go to the search field, type ultralisk, and that's the unit it throws at me.
21:46.03DeadZerglingyou are missing dependencies then
21:46.03Gattakhanmmm.. that would make sense.
21:46.17DeadZerglingfile > dependencies
21:46.37GattakhanI see MP on some units, so maybe there's one with an MP tag on it?
21:47.43DeadZerglingyea, try adding other built in dependencies
21:56.51ArcanePariahGattakhan: The frenzied ability is added to the ultras if you add the Swarm Campaign dependency
22:00.23GattakhanSo Swarm Multi dependency doesn't have the ability? I need both Swarm campaign and Swarm Multi set at dependencies?
22:06.14ArcanePariahI'm not sure, I've never added the multi dependencies. So it is possible.
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22:18.27GattakhanOkokok
22:19.58GattakhanThey basically axed the ability and repurposed it (along with a lot of the data tied to it) into the passive ability they have in the current multiiplayer build.
22:20.59GattakhanIt makes more sense now that I'm looking at the Swarm Multi dependency.
23:21.26DeadZerglingyou awake ArcanePariah or JademusSreg ? Curious if there is a way to make default tooltips go to the left of the screen, instead of the right.  That is, the tooltips that would be found on a default item in the default inventory
23:32.32ArcanePariahYes
23:32.41ArcanePariahYou need to override and adjust the tooltipframe
23:33.38DeadZerglingcan you tell me how to do that, I was never good with the UI editing
23:33.49DeadZerglingor at least where to look so I can chain fail, lol
23:34.29ArcanePariahInventory Panel
23:35.13DeadZerglingI see, probably want this part?
23:35.14DeadZergling<PROTECTED>
23:37.16DeadZerglinghave a feeling I need to look at the override shit again, lol
23:38.25DeadZerglingIs helral's override method still accurate?
23:39.52JademusSregNot quite; Helral's approach was the hacky solution employed until UI editor allowed a more modular in-editor solution.
23:41.52DeadZerglingI see, care to explain how I would do it now?  I tried making a new layout with everything exactly the same except tooltip is left isntead of right

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