| 00:00.02 | Triceron | all of this is simply a means to an end |
| 00:00.10 | Bounty | yes but events offer unique rewards |
| 00:00.16 | Triceron | ahh |
| 00:00.22 | Triceron | so events have rewards too, okay |
| 00:00.25 | Bounty | like unlocking a new character |
| 00:00.35 | Bounty | if you encounter that characters rescue event |
| 00:00.46 | Triceron | okay, so now you actually have incentives to explore the whole map even if you don't have to |
| 00:00.55 | Bounty | mmmhmmm =P |
| 00:02.04 | DeadZergling | reminder, I need to use present tense in this shit |
| 00:02.11 | DeadZergling | was is just so bleh |
| 00:02.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (4d26cd7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.38.205.122) |
| 00:02.36 | DeadZergling | hi duckies |
| 00:02.38 | DeadZergling | guess what I'm doing |
| 00:02.46 | duckies | heya |
| 00:02.53 | duckies | hm |
| 00:03.03 | Bounty | The only thing I don't like about a monster hunter styled zone system is that I can't use Regions that much Triceron lol |
| 00:03.05 | duckies | are you playing guitar under the moonlight? |
| 00:03.23 | Triceron | 'regions'? |
| 00:03.25 | DeadZergling | nope, I'm writing a script for this guy to do announcements for Death TV |
| 00:03.26 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 00:03.28 | DeadZergling | https://www.fiverr.com/wmunroejr/big-bad-hollywood-voice-over-talent?funnel=201502252302540557166360 |
| 00:03.31 | Bounty | literal editor regions |
| 00:03.41 | Bounty | squares, circles etc |
| 00:03.43 | duckies | close enough :< |
| 00:03.50 | Triceron | trigger stuff? |
| 00:04.17 | Bounty | Have you ever opened the editor Triceron? lol |
| 00:04.23 | Triceron | only when I have to |
| 00:04.29 | Bounty | Do you know what regions are? |
| 00:04.35 | Triceron | nope, that's why I asked |
| 00:04.48 | Bounty | they are defined areas that you can create in the terrain editor |
| 00:04.51 | Bounty | and call on in triggers |
| 00:05.05 | Bounty | problem is, you have diamond, square or circle shape |
| 00:05.05 | DeadZergling | is also possible to dynamically make them in triggers |
| 00:05.08 | duckies | it's pretty neat, how do you manage to find al this stuff dz? |
| 00:05.11 | Triceron | ahh, and they only come in simple shapes |
| 00:05.22 | Bounty | yeah, you CAN combine them to make more complex shapes though |
| 00:05.27 | DeadZergling | way too much fucking time on my hands? |
| 00:05.43 | Bounty | I guess I could just use a door region method |
| 00:05.46 | DeadZergling | I was just watching Husky play through Rock N Roll racing |
| 00:05.49 | duckies | =D |
| 00:05.51 | Bounty | where I have a region at the entrances so I can tell where the players are |
| 00:05.55 | Triceron | it's possible to implement hallways as a buffer |
| 00:06.04 | DeadZergling | and he continually said that the announcer really makes this game much more awesome, and I had to agree |
| 00:06.21 | DeadZergling | so I thought to myself, how much more awesome would Death TV be if it had an announcer throughout the whole thing |
| 00:06.43 | Bounty | I think I have no choice but to abandon the binding of isaac setup Triceron lol |
| 00:06.46 | Triceron | like you can still use circles and squares as long as your terrain shape fits to the parameters |
| 00:07.02 | Bounty | the monster hunter method is much more visually pleasing and engaging |
| 00:07.07 | Triceron | I just think it'd be more aesthetically pleasing :) |
| 00:07.09 | DeadZergling | the shapes can get more complex bounty, with merging, negative regions |
| 00:07.13 | Bounty | it would be Triceron, by A LOT |
| 00:07.22 | Bounty | nah I'm just going to use door regions |
| 00:07.33 | Bounty | like when you enter a new room, there is a region at the entrance |
| 00:07.34 | Triceron | like if you have ramps built into terrain |
| 00:07.34 | duckies | well I had some free time so I took a nap and suddenly it's 2am, I'm awake and got all night for mapmaaking :D |
| 00:07.38 | Bounty | so I can detect where you are |
| 00:07.51 | Triceron | that's already so much mor than facing flat surface area all the time |
| 00:08.04 | DeadZergling | that's fine Bounty , just this blahness about being limited |
| 00:08.08 | DeadZergling | I didn't want to hear it |
| 00:08.17 | DeadZergling | as it is BS |
| 00:08.33 | Bounty | blahness? wasn't complaining lol |
| 00:08.40 | Bounty | I immediately came up with a solution |
| 00:08.51 | DeadZergling | never said you were |
| 00:08.51 | Bounty | Don't have to have the entire zone regioned |
| 00:08.54 | DeadZergling | I just said it was blahness |
| 00:08.55 | Bounty | just the entrance |
| 00:09.17 | Bounty | What do you think DeadZergling? |
| 00:09.25 | Bounty | Squares VS Mosnter Hunter Style |
| 00:09.27 | DeadZergling | set up the question again |
| 00:09.29 | DeadZergling | and ill tell ya |
| 00:09.40 | DeadZergling | What is monster hunter style? |
| 00:09.50 | Bounty | Should my rooms be square shaped or should I move to a more zone based system |
| 00:10.00 | DeadZergling | Squares are definitely the easiest to deal with |
| 00:10.03 | Bounty | the rooms are not any particular shape |
| 00:10.13 | Bounty | but more visually pleasing |
| 00:10.18 | Bounty | and immersive |
| 00:10.32 | Bounty | thats the benefit of not using squares lol |
| 00:10.32 | DeadZergling | well, in terms of being done in a reasonable amount of time, square |
| 00:10.43 | DeadZergling | but maybe Monster Hunter Style as a stretch goal? |
| 00:10.50 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:10.58 | Triceron | it's not exactly something you can add on |
| 00:10.58 | Bounty | I can pull both off in a reasonable amount of time |
| 00:11.03 | DeadZergling | it is definitely cooler |
| 00:11.05 | Triceron | it's a core feature you'd have to plan for |
| 00:11.10 | Triceron | plan around |
| 00:11.30 | DeadZergling | but I think you underestimate how much longer the other way would take |
| 00:11.38 | Bounty | I think I'm going to go with your suggestion Triceron. It has been bothering me for awhile that I would have to use squares and it would look kinda meh |
| 00:11.59 | Bounty | DeadZergling, I want to make this game as good as it possibly can be |
| 00:12.05 | Triceron | tbh if you get creative with teleporters and a 3rd person camera, you could probably use the entire map as a set of 'rooms' that get linked purely through scripting. |
| 00:12.07 | Bounty | So if it means more work, w/e |
| 00:12.20 | DeadZergling | I hope you have success with that Bounty , but I know this is going to make it take a whole new level of long, lol |
| 00:12.34 | Bounty | Nah |
| 00:12.40 | Bounty | Terraining is easy |
| 00:13.00 | DeadZergling | oh, you just want static rooms you can use at different points |
| 00:13.01 | Bounty | You're against the top down perspective Triceron? lol |
| 00:13.06 | DeadZergling | I thought you'd be dynamically generating terrain |
| 00:13.10 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:13.15 | Bounty | my idea didn't work lol |
| 00:13.29 | Triceron | no, I was just implying that your entire map could consist of a 'jigsaw' and all your randomization comes from triggers |
| 00:13.34 | DeadZergling | I think both ways will be meh then |
| 00:13.49 | Bounty | Yeah thats pretty much what its going to be Triceron |
| 00:14.12 | Bounty | just going to build an entire world that is tightly packed |
| 00:14.19 | Bounty | and split into rooms/zones |
| 00:14.20 | Triceron | but I mean that each zone is connected through triggered teleporters rather than a physical access point. |
| 00:14.32 | Bounty | ehh |
| 00:14.42 | Bounty | That kinda breaks the feeling of exploration I feel |
| 00:14.51 | Bounty | like, REALLY exploring |
| 00:15.03 | DeadZergling | any thoughts on alternate names for Spectral Devastator, lol |
| 00:15.39 | Triceron | DeadZergling what is that in context to? |
| 00:15.53 | Triceron | name of a gun? enemy? |
| 00:16.00 | Triceron | your map> |
| 00:16.14 | DeadZergling | well, is a new gun I'm going to add eventually, it will fire a cluster of skulls with blue spectral flames |
| 00:16.34 | Triceron | the Clusterfucker |
| 00:16.35 | DeadZergling | in a chaotic spread pattern |
| 00:16.40 | duckies | Spectral Skullinator |
| 00:16.45 | duckies | >_> |
| 00:16.46 | DeadZergling | no swearing, lol |
| 00:19.12 | Triceron | The Skullfuc- hrm... |
| 00:19.13 | draktok | DeadZergling |
| 00:19.21 | draktok | If you die twice in a row to the same thing it should play that sound |
| 00:19.23 | draktok | "YOU SUCK" |
| 00:19.32 | Bounty | Thanks for bringing up the whole Monster Hunter thing Triceron, would not have come up with the solution if you had not brought it up lol |
| 00:19.52 | Triceron | steal from teh best :P |
| 00:19.53 | Bounty | Definitely didn't really want the whole square thing |
| 00:20.53 | Bounty | I think I might tilt the camera a bit as well |
| 00:21.05 | Bounty | I don't like how games look when they are 100% top down |
| 00:21.40 | Triceron | is it gonna be traditional RTS distance? |
| 00:21.43 | draktok | well its your game :D |
| 00:21.52 | Bounty | nah Triceron |
| 00:22.10 | Bounty | It won't be too close but your characters won't be ants either |
| 00:22.18 | Bounty | *cough* Death TV |
| 00:22.21 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:22.35 | Bounty | The camera is not static, it will follow you |
| 00:22.42 | Bounty | so that gives me the ability to zoom in more |
| 00:23.15 | Bounty | You know those big rooms in Binding of Isaac Triceron? |
| 00:23.24 | Bounty | Thats how the camera will work |
| 00:23.27 | Triceron | you talking Rebirth? I ahven't played that one yet |
| 00:23.37 | Bounty | Were there big rooms in the original? |
| 00:23.48 | Bounty | where the camera moved with you |
| 00:23.49 | Triceron | big as in the screen scrolls? |
| 00:23.53 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:23.54 | Triceron | not in the original, no |
| 00:24.00 | Triceron | it was super static |
| 00:24.05 | Bounty | but the camera stops at the edges of the room (bounds) |
| 00:24.14 | Bounty | Ah |
| 00:24.21 | Bounty | Well thats how the camera in this game will work |
| 00:24.26 | Triceron | ahh, that's good |
| 00:24.43 | Bounty | That was the first thing I noticed with square rooms |
| 00:24.47 | Bounty | you have to zoom out a lot lol |
| 00:24.51 | Bounty | if its a static camera |
| 00:25.47 | draktok | Anyone want to play impossible bosses? |
| 00:25.53 | draktok | sc2 version ;D |
| 00:26.04 | Triceron | i hear it's got cool models in it |
| 00:26.16 | Bounty | It has WoW models in it |
| 00:26.42 | Bounty | dunno how they got them, I have not been able to extract wow models for like a year |
| 00:26.47 | Bounty | Wowmodelviewer is always broke |
| 00:26.55 | Triceron | it only recently broke |
| 00:26.57 | draktok | There's a bunch of tutorials how to extract them properly isn't there? |
| 00:27.02 | Triceron | it was usable for a long time |
| 00:27.13 | Triceron | it broke with Warlords of Draenor |
| 00:27.21 | Triceron | because they switched to the CASC system |
| 00:27.21 | draktok | I mean, seemed to work for a while. A lot of models have been pulled from WoW. I have a handful of building models sitting around somewhere pulled from WoW |
| 00:27.27 | Bounty | It kept crashing on m3 export for me like a year ago |
| 00:27.33 | Bounty | and now they removed the option to even export |
| 00:27.42 | Bounty | yeah, no more MPQ |
| 00:27.45 | Triceron | yeah the new one doesn't have support for it yet |
| 00:27.57 | Triceron | you can extract the m2's but can't do anything without an importer/exporter |
| 00:28.00 | Bounty | Think they will have it at some point with the new system? |
| 00:28.36 | Triceron | the current wow importer script is buggy as hell |
| 00:28.46 | Triceron | I brougth in a dragon and its animations were all messed up |
| 00:29.09 | draktok | don't worry great people like Triceron will start modeling high quality models again eventually ... ;) |
| 00:29.52 | DeadZergling | unless it is 3 armed halflings with many attack animations |
| 00:30.04 | DeadZergling | that is the model I need to learn how to make |
| 00:30.13 | Bounty | btw Triceron |
| 00:30.15 | Triceron | that's easy |
| 00:30.21 | Bounty | the KS goal is going to be 4.5k |
| 00:30.26 | Bounty | to account for the % they take out |
| 00:30.27 | draktok | I'm playing twodie map again for the first time since last time it piss me off 1 year ago |
| 00:30.30 | draktok | lets see if it better |
| 00:30.34 | Triceron | you just model a 4 armed halfling and remove the 4th on export |
| 00:30.37 | Bounty | and I am thinking 6k for animations as a stretch goal |
| 00:30.52 | Bounty | would be roughly 1.2k for you |
| 00:30.58 | Bounty | if you did them |
| 00:31.14 | Triceron | what is your dev time estimate for this |
| 00:31.33 | Bounty | 3-4 months for my end |
| 00:31.53 | Bounty | Which is a lot for a Bounty game lol |
| 00:32.11 | draktok | he's gonna bleed his eyes out hard coding for 2mo and then on the 3rd he will sleep, and the 4th go back and finish all the stuff he forgot while sleeping |
| 00:32.46 | Bounty | The only part I am not looking forward to are items |
| 00:32.55 | Bounty | outside of that, excited as fuck >.< |
| 00:33.10 | Bounty | Its going to be a 100% trigger based item system |
| 00:33.13 | draktok | Items piss me off in sc2 |
| 00:33.16 | draktok | WOW |
| 00:33.17 | draktok | i have never done that |
| 00:33.18 | draktok | WOW |
| 00:33.22 | Triceron | sounds reasonable |
| 00:33.22 | draktok | good luck and best of wishes to you |
| 00:33.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:33.42 | Bounty | Just going to be a shit load of variables |
| 00:33.45 | draktok | i like my data items ;d |
| 00:33.48 | Bounty | Whats the limit on variables again? |
| 00:33.51 | draktok | even though they piss me off |
| 00:33.53 | Bounty | Or did they lift it? |
| 00:33.57 | draktok | didn't know there was one, never hit it LOL |
| 00:34.07 | Triceron | would love you to bump that up higher with a modelling stretch goal too ;) |
| 00:34.18 | Bounty | I would like about 100-200 items as a base |
| 00:34.45 | draktok | there is no item limit as data ;D |
| 00:34.45 | Bounty | Yeah, I am seperating the animations and modeling stretch goal Triceron |
| 00:34.54 | Bounty | animations are way more important |
| 00:35.16 | Bounty | Probably going to group things up a bit as well |
| 00:35.26 | Bounty | aka 6.5k for animations + more items and events |
| 00:35.28 | DeadZergling | items really suck, lol |
| 00:35.51 | Bounty | The problem is going to be making all the items work for every class |
| 00:35.54 | Bounty | Like |
| 00:35.59 | Bounty | Its not going to be difficult |
| 00:36.02 | Bounty | just very time consuming |
| 00:36.13 | draktok | How many classes? |
| 00:36.24 | Bounty | As many as I can think of |
| 00:36.35 | Bounty | Will probably be akin to your average fighting games roster |
| 00:36.40 | DeadZergling | time consuming is difficult |
| 00:36.49 | draktok | Yeah i have like 22? heroes currently and there is 2? variables that effect all of them kind of a pain to manager it all but for the most part i kept it generic in my map so i can see where creating 100+ that affect differently = time boring |
| 00:37.18 | draktok | what models are you using for heroes bounty? |
| 00:37.27 | draktok | The redone wc3 ones? |
| 00:37.30 | Bounty | Like If there is an item that does + range |
| 00:37.41 | Bounty | I need to code that just for the melee classes |
| 00:37.49 | Bounty | bc it will do something for them |
| 00:38.07 | Bounty | yes draktok |
| 00:38.14 | draktok | Sweet |
| 00:38.19 | draktok | I just want to play the dark ranger |
| 00:38.22 | draktok | MMm she make me happy |
| 00:38.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.38 | Triceron | wish we had access to Heroes models |
| 00:38.39 | Bounty | I'm sure she will be on the roster |
| 00:38.45 | Triceron | well I mean we do, but I mean permission to use em |
| 00:38.55 | Bounty | btw Triceron to give you a better idea |
| 00:39.00 | Bounty | bc you brought up the whole melee thing the other day |
| 00:39.17 | Bounty | Imagine the blade master attacking but he creates a slash effect in front of him |
| 00:39.31 | Bounty | + range items will increase the size of that effect |
| 00:39.41 | Bounty | and radius |
| 00:39.54 | Bounty | sort of like a cleave |
| 00:40.09 | Triceron | are those effects on the HDblademaster now? |
| 00:40.15 | Bounty | nope |
| 00:40.16 | Triceron | like the slashes they use in Heroes? |
| 00:40.34 | Bounty | its going to have to be a sep model anyways |
| 00:40.38 | Bounty | so I can adjust its size |
| 00:41.02 | Bounty | the combat is going to be very God of War style |
| 00:41.10 | Bounty | successive clicks do diff attacks |
| 00:41.41 | Bounty | blocking will be akin to Smash Bros |
| 00:41.50 | Bounty | block to much, get stunned |
| 00:42.59 | Bounty | ATM I am just thinking, Left Click = Normal Attack, Right Click = Heavy Attack, Space to Block and Shift for a speed ability |
| 00:43.11 | Bounty | like a dash |
| 00:43.26 | Bounty | I THINK that should be enough |
| 00:43.38 | Bounty | very important that people don't get bored with the combat |
| 00:44.06 | Triceron | tbh I feel blocking is best left for paced games |
| 00:44.23 | Bounty | paced games? |
| 00:44.30 | draktok | the blademaster currently (if you use renee's mod with his ult attached) is off centered and fucked |
| 00:44.31 | Triceron | Zelda, Dark Souls |
| 00:44.35 | draktok | but the model attacks and moves good |
| 00:44.37 | draktok | just don't use renees mod :D |
| 00:44.57 | Triceron | God of War wouldn't be fast paced if it had a lot of block-and-counter gameplay |
| 00:44.59 | Bounty | I enjoy breaking the norm Triceron :) |
| 00:45.36 | Triceron | I know Smash Bros does, but it's traditional 2D platform fighting style |
| 00:45.37 | Bounty | That is true Triceron but the thing is that those games are built around that one mechanic |
| 00:45.49 | Triceron | that's why it works |
| 00:45.59 | Bounty | Blocking will be more smash bros style in the sense that it does not break or slow down the action |
| 00:46.09 | Triceron | if you have blocking and the system isn't built around the pace, it feels intrusive |
| 00:46.16 | Triceron | cuz you just wanna combo the shit out of an enemy |
| 00:46.33 | draktok | i love comboing the shit out of enemies its why im bad at MK cause i dont block |
| 00:46.41 | Triceron | and expect everything else to be dodgeable or avoidable through ability use |
| 00:46.44 | Bounty | If people don't like the system in the alpha, can just remove it |
| 00:47.09 | Bounty | I am going to try to get Blizz to playtest |
| 00:47.15 | Bounty | before I release the alpha and KS |
| 00:47.19 | Triceron | when Ryan added block to SCU pvp I was very against it |
| 00:47.33 | Bounty | Well thats because its a stupid mix |
| 00:47.35 | duckies | well, blocking was in bastion and it was nice there, not pacing blocking at all |
| 00:47.39 | Bounty | MMO combat + blocking |
| 00:47.42 | Triceron | among other issues :P |
| 00:47.57 | draktok | scu still being developed? |
| 00:48.10 | Bounty | Better be, they got 80k |
| 00:48.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:48.17 | draktok | game felt so unresponsive to me hard to enjoy, plus the amount of abilities the character had with walls of text of spell descriptions, headache |
| 00:48.21 | Triceron | they had an update on their facebook |
| 00:48.24 | Dustin|Work | Its being released when LOTV comes out apparentluy |
| 00:48.31 | Bounty | ^ |
| 00:48.47 | Bounty | I think thats a marketing move personally Dustin |
| 00:48.50 | DeadZergling | a poopy single player version is available, lol |
| 00:48.54 | duckies | released when sc2 will see it's last surge of players eh? |
| 00:48.59 | draktok | yes that is what i refer to dead |
| 00:49.10 | Bounty | idk why they're waiting for LoTV |
| 00:49.19 | Bounty | I get the concept behind waiting for it |
| 00:49.23 | draktok | well its the last surge but i think a lot people hope it brings sc2 arcade back into the light |
| 00:49.25 | Bounty | but I don't agree with it lol |
| 00:49.27 | draktok | plus id o like sc2 campaign actually |
| 00:49.42 | Triceron | marketting-wise it's a solid choice |
| 00:49.50 | Triceron | I'd even wait 2 weeks after if even |
| 00:49.57 | Bounty | If Blizzard can reform the arcade and fix the issues of finding new games to play by the time LoTV hits |
| 00:50.02 | Bounty | The arcade could become huge |
| 00:50.04 | draktok | i think the arcade hasn't been looked at again by a lot of mod makers and players since the original disaster launch of the arcade >.>; |
| 00:50.04 | Triceron | hit a sweet spot when people are done the campaign and looking for more |
| 00:50.35 | Bounty | I am certainly not waiting for LoTV |
| 00:51.02 | draktok | i think a lot sc2 players will finish it in a couple days, i did and i work 9 hours a day and have a wife, campaigns aren't that long if you just play normal because you are playing for the story |
| 00:51.06 | Bounty | Would rather have the game done and already successful and ready for play |
| 00:51.20 | Triceron | LOTV? yeah |
| 00:51.34 | Triceron | playing through it isn't what I'm worried abut |
| 00:51.49 | Bounty | If Blizzard reforms the arcade before LoTV, I can guarantee you the arcade will explode |
| 00:51.49 | draktok | just more of people looking for something to do AFTER their 40$ campaign |
| 00:51.53 | Triceron | it's their servers and login systems exploding |
| 00:52.00 | Bounty | exactly draktok |
| 00:52.11 | Bounty | if those players come back and see the same shit on the list |
| 00:52.13 | Bounty | they're bouncing |
| 00:52.14 | Triceron | both Diablo 3 and Warlords of Draenor got hit with that |
| 00:52.17 | draktok | i don't really have many problems with it i guess, i still find lots of new games to play every day, but i guess i look a lot harder than other people for new games to play :( |
| 00:52.38 | draktok | yeah they should almost remove the top played / top rated |
| 00:52.40 | draktok | xP |
| 00:52.49 | Bounty | Nah |
| 00:52.52 | draktok | stick with up and coming, open games, and the 5 featured |
| 00:53.13 | Bounty | grr |
| 00:53.14 | draktok | most of the top played have been on the list since launch, i have a screen shot showing like half the games on the top played list there since 09? 10? whichever |
| 00:53.20 | Bounty | Zolden was telling me about something that the app store does |
| 00:53.23 | Bounty | OH |
| 00:53.30 | Bounty | they need a suggested games section |
| 00:53.33 | Triceron | War3 was the best system blah blah nostalgia rant |
| 00:53.40 | draktok | war3 was jsut open games |
| 00:53.45 | Bounty | like if you click on a tower defense game |
| 00:53.48 | draktok | which is fine and dandy, i don't see anything wrong with featuring games though |
| 00:53.52 | Bounty | it suggests games like it |
| 00:54.04 | Triceron | SC2 has open games? |
| 00:54.07 | draktok | sure that's nice, but since most of the lobbies are formed via the top played where people just click it and hit play, that's the problem |
| 00:54.12 | Bounty | would also need a tag system |
| 00:54.12 | draktok | i don't think a lot of people even go to open games |
| 00:54.14 | Bounty | and more genres |
| 00:54.25 | draktok | i don't know if you're joking or not triceron but yes it does have "open games" system now |
| 00:54.35 | draktok | hard to form a game still, since people don't go and look at what games are open often |
| 00:54.42 | Triceron | I'm absolutely not, SC2 is the least played Blizz game on my list next to Hearthstone |
| 00:54.50 | draktok | Yeah it has open games now |
| 00:54.54 | draktok | So you can play any game, now, really |
| 00:55.09 | draktok | Just takes a while to fill, since if it's an unheard of game people are just using the top played and clicking it and played |
| 00:55.12 | Bounty | SC2 is the least played game Triceron |
| 00:55.31 | draktok | but, if i really want a game i've never played before, i dont' think ive ever been unable to start one now |
| 00:55.49 | draktok | i host Bounty games 'semi often and fill up the lobby after 10 min or so |
| 00:56.04 | Bounty | unpopular games? |
| 00:56.13 | draktok | just w/e |
| 00:56.19 | draktok | photon discs or tessera mostly |
| 00:56.30 | Bounty | you get full lobbies on Photon Discs and Tessera? lol |
| 00:56.32 | draktok | ttessera most people suck ass at so they never join again after i kill them all :( |
| 00:56.37 | draktok | yeah i did last saturday of tessera |
| 00:56.46 | draktok | me and a friend hosted it and got a full lobby |
| 00:56.55 | Bounty | Yeah Tessera is not as forgiving as photon discs |
| 00:56.57 | draktok | played haunted forest with a friend and got 2 others to join |
| 00:57.27 | draktok | it's not easy to fill up open lobbies and you gotta wait 10 - 15 minutes, but it's better than before where it was literally impossible ot get players |
| 00:57.32 | draktok | since there WAS no open games list |
| 00:58.01 | Bounty | What pisses me off is I don't even know what genre to put Azeroth Unchained in |
| 00:58.07 | draktok | they just need to remove most played and top rated and allow people to just use the open games and featured games - the only reason i say featured games is okay is most of those are in the 60s and 70s of top played even though they are featured lol |
| 00:58.08 | Bounty | I should be able to do multiple |
| 00:58.38 | draktok | just do tower defense, there's like 31 games total in tower defense so you'er more likely to get visibility there ;D |
| 00:58.51 | Triceron | you mean using SC2's system? |
| 00:58.55 | Triceron | what options do they even have? |
| 00:59.03 | Triceron | the best is probably 'Other'. |
| 00:59.05 | draktok | I can look in a sec |
| 00:59.10 | draktok | opening now |
| 00:59.16 | Triceron | do they have Boss Battle? that's prolly close |
| 00:59.28 | Bounty | Action, RPG and Other |
| 00:59.33 | Bounty | are the only ones that fit |
| 00:59.36 | Bounty | and Arena I suppose |
| 00:59.40 | Triceron | those are damned general |
| 00:59.46 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:59.51 | draktok | Action, Arena, Hero Battle, Other, PUzzle, RPG, Strategy, Surivival, TD, Tug of War |
| 00:59.54 | Bounty | The game is much more then 1 genre |
| 00:59.57 | Bounty | thats the whole point |
| 00:59.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:00.02 | draktok | That's all the categories |
| 01:00.06 | Triceron | say Puzzle and be done with it |
| 01:00.13 | draktok | Let me see how many games are in puzzle |
| 01:00.23 | draktok | Ther's only 9 puzzle games |
| 01:00.23 | Triceron | cuz whatever its genre is, it sure is puzzling! |
| 01:00.28 | draktok | So do puzzle, you'll be number 10 |
| 01:00.34 | draktok | no one searches puzzle though lets be real |
| 01:00.35 | Bounty | I actually have a puzzle game on bnet |
| 01:00.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:00.42 | Bounty | was my only game to be featured |
| 01:00.56 | draktok | Zolden's stupid artichture destruction game is puzzle game |
| 01:00.57 | draktok | LOL |
| 01:01.18 | draktok | LingLing rocket is still on there |
| 01:01.25 | Bounty | Damn right |
| 01:01.25 | draktok | Not the most played puzzle game though |
| 01:01.32 | draktok | Your'e #6 |
| 01:01.41 | Bounty | Out of like 10 puzzle games though |
| 01:01.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:01.45 | Triceron | what's #1 on there out of curiousity |
| 01:01.48 | draktok | yeah |
| 01:01.50 | draktok | Pictionary |
| 01:01.53 | Triceron | ah |
| 01:02.00 | Triceron | I saw that on twitch stream |
| 01:02.04 | Bounty | Pictionary is not even a puzzle game |
| 01:02.06 | Triceron | wait |
| 01:02.09 | Triceron | the blizz devs were playing it |
| 01:02.16 | draktok | Oh, WTF - there is a "only high rated" check mark |
| 01:02.18 | draktok | That's checked by default |
| 01:02.19 | Bounty | speaking of that |
| 01:02.21 | draktok | How the fuck does that work |
| 01:02.25 | Bounty | its wednesday |
| 01:02.26 | draktok | So if you search a game, and no one has played it yet |
| 01:02.28 | draktok | It's filtered by default |
| 01:02.30 | Bounty | midweek moshpit |
| 01:02.31 | draktok | what the fuck blizzard |
| 01:02.55 | draktok | And then, it only shows up under "newest" |
| 01:02.58 | Bounty | Blizz finally beat the first level of Haunted Forest last week on the midweek moshpit |
| 01:03.02 | draktok | if you look "top played" then it's only showing 9 |
| 01:03.15 | draktok | If i search "newest puzzle" without "high rating" checked, ther's 19 puzzle games |
| 01:03.23 | draktok | Sad day for new mappers who don't use something to get it featured wow |
| 01:03.26 | Bounty | The one section I feel I dominate is "action" |
| 01:03.42 | draktok | I didn't know they played arcade games |
| 01:03.43 | draktok | lol |
| 01:03.44 | Bounty | 4 games on the first 3 pages |
| 01:03.51 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/sinvicta |
| 01:03.54 | Bounty | at 9 PM EST |
| 01:03.59 | Bounty | the show starts where Blizz jumps in |
| 01:04.06 | draktok | yeah, yours are way better than gridfalls |
| 01:04.09 | draktok | gridfall is fuckin wack |
| 01:04.13 | Bounty | YUep |
| 01:04.18 | draktok | so is chuchumadness |
| 01:04.20 | draktok | what a god awful game |
| 01:04.24 | Bounty | I should have been in the top 10 god damnit |
| 01:04.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:04.32 | draktok | why is god's land even considered action? |
| 01:04.40 | draktok | that's just RTS with someone giving units for free |
| 01:04.40 | draktok | ... |
| 01:04.42 | Bounty | I also should have submitted every single game I ever made |
| 01:04.49 | Bounty | idk why I didn't |
| 01:05.16 | draktok | half of those games either suck ass or aren't action games |
| 01:05.18 | draktok | ahead of yours |
| 01:05.19 | draktok | amazingly |
| 01:05.55 | draktok | or, are action games by the loose term that just about any game on sc2 is an action game |
| 01:05.56 | draktok | lol |
| 01:06.06 | Bounty | Apparently |
| 01:06.59 | draktok | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.09 | Bounty | God, I can't stop listening to the song that will be the boss theme for Sylvannas |
| 01:07.12 | draktok | featured gamess help, and so does up and coming (although that shows a lot of the same games too) |
| 01:07.28 | draktok | but top rated / top played being on the front page, the same 6 games from 2010 isn't a problem to blizzard, i don't know what is |
| 01:07.49 | DeadZergling | Top rated is such a shitty thing anyways |
| 01:08.04 | draktok | needs to be removed for new games to be discovered and encourage map makers to give a shit |
| 01:08.30 | draktok | notice most of the top rated games are still being developed, a lot of other great games are not casue no one plays ... also i found 2 mineralz variants still being developed, if anyone cares, pretty fun too |
| 01:08.39 | draktok | still mineralz though, so only fun for about 30 min then u kill urself from boredom |
| 01:08.42 | DeadZergling | post a new one, and get some goober who thinks it is good, but not that good, 3-4, that happens a few times, you get a black mark |
| 01:08.54 | DeadZergling | anything other than perfect 5 stars will never show |
| 01:09.14 | draktok | Bounty look up the song Mobbin by grand theft - that should be Uthers theme song as he hammers people |
| 01:09.40 | draktok | rating system itself is kind of weird considering a lot of the games from wc3 were not rated or were rated shit on the hive, but were still fun with friends |
| 01:09.40 | draktok | Meh |
| 01:10.29 | draktok | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTkTl8vk6Cc#t=49 this will be perfect uther hammering time song |
| 01:11.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:11.29 | Bounty | I am using warcraft music only :) |
| 01:11.32 | draktok | ;) |
| 01:11.35 | draktok | is it the |
| 01:11.37 | draktok | hang on |
| 01:11.39 | draktok | I bet i can guess |
| 01:11.43 | draktok | let me find it though i can't remember the name |
| 01:11.45 | Bounty | that and honestly |
| 01:11.59 | Bounty | that song sucks if you have any desires to create a real atmosphere |
| 01:12.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:12.07 | draktok | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXhx40DcU6Y&index=9&list=PLPqTo-pmK0zcgWDb3KlUiRO4Uon_h2mok |
| 01:12.11 | draktok | and yes it does bounty it was a joke |
| 01:12.14 | draktok | But i bet this is the one you're using ;D |
| 01:12.39 | Bounty | nope |
| 01:13.03 | draktok | Damn |
| 01:13.07 | draktok | Give me a hint, is it wc3 or woW |
| 01:13.14 | draktok | (or both i guess) |
| 01:13.49 | Bounty | This is the music for the Sylvannas boss fight |
| 01:13.50 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7639iIMqZ8#t=80s |
| 01:14.02 | draktok | Nah damnit i wanted to guess :D |
| 01:14.11 | draktok | That was 4th on my list |
| 01:14.15 | draktok | So good thing i didn't start guessing |
| 01:14.36 | Bounty | You will also be fighting her in the dark :) |
| 01:14.49 | draktok | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EnpzZ2jHGY&index=2&list=PLPqTo-pmK0zcgWDb3KlUiRO4Uon_h2mok lets all take a moment to remember the best WoW music in the entire game |
| 01:14.50 | Bounty | but thats all I will say about her mechanics |
| 01:15.38 | Bounty | each area will have its own area based mechanics |
| 01:15.53 | draktok | Overworld music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XathQjVHk |
| 01:16.00 | Bounty | the night elf forests will be covered in a dark fog and you will need a light source to navigate |
| 01:16.10 | draktok | hey if you need a mod uploaded that just has a shit load of music attached let me knwo bounty i have a lot of bnet space |
| 01:16.40 | Bounty | I have a few things uploaded that I can remove |
| 01:16.43 | Triceron | I was always fond of the music in Wrath |
| 01:16.44 | Bounty | bc I don't use them |
| 01:16.50 | Triceron | the whole soundtrack speaks to me |
| 01:16.55 | draktok | The howling Fjord had some good shit |
| 01:17.05 | Triceron | loved grizzly hills, storm peaks |
| 01:17.07 | Triceron | ulduar |
| 01:17.07 | draktok | That one and the one below it, the spider zone, can't remember |
| 01:17.09 | Bounty | IMO, the song I picked for the sylvannas fight is perfect |
| 01:17.18 | draktok | Er, i meant grizzly hills, not howling fjord, my bad |
| 01:17.48 | Bounty | and of course, the music for the dark forest will be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkuUuXSTs8 |
| 01:17.52 | draktok | Lets be real though Triceron |
| 01:17.59 | draktok | Kharazan had the best raid music of all time |
| 01:18.28 | Triceron | I spent half my WoW career in that place |
| 01:18.38 | Triceron | when raids were still tough as shit |
| 01:18.52 | Bounty | Only raid I ever did was Molten Core |
| 01:18.52 | draktok | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR7bqc2mheA Mmmm memories |
| 01:19.16 | Triceron | did you actually progress through it? |
| 01:19.22 | draktok | Man you missed out, BC was the last time i did any "real" raiding, I did raids in WOTLK but i didn't hardcore raid, and i didn't do any after that, but BC had some really fuckin great raids. |
| 01:19.23 | Triceron | I never did MC when it came out |
| 01:20.06 | Bounty | I had the most fun in WoW when Hillsbrad Foothills was the battlegrounds lol |
| 01:20.26 | draktok | Through Kharazan? Yep! is when i played a frost mage, and our guild had a fire mage, and i was always bitched at for frost (despite it being better than arcane for pve at the time) and i'd out dps our fire mage constantly |
| 01:20.27 | Triceron | the days-long alterac valley runs |
| 01:20.34 | draktok | and she'd still get the gear cause she was "what the raid needed as a fire mage" |
| 01:20.35 | draktok | bitch. |
| 01:20.56 | draktok | good times! I think she just got the gear cause she was a girl though |
| 01:21.00 | draktok | most often |
| 01:21.03 | Triceron | where you could queue in, play for a few hours, go to work, go to sleep, log back on and join the same damn game |
| 01:21.11 | Dustin|Work | My fav time for WOW was right as the BC EXP was released |
| 01:21.19 | draktok | yeah and all the quests and shit in AV actually mattered |
| 01:21.20 | Dustin|Work | Gruuls lair and Kara runs |
| 01:21.22 | Dustin|Work | fuck ya |
| 01:21.24 | DeadZergling | I hear Drums and that annoying moaning you hear in all the fantasy shit nowadays |
| 01:21.27 | draktok | MAGE TANK ALL DAY |
| 01:21.34 | draktok | I mage tanked Gruul like a champ |
| 01:21.37 | DeadZergling | oh well, is your boss fight, lol |
| 01:21.44 | Dustin|Work | Oh shiy, I loved the mount hyjal raid too |
| 01:21.58 | Bounty | You don't approve DeadZergling? |
| 01:21.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:22.11 | draktok | Mount hyjal was t6 right? never did fully clear HJ or the other long one |
| 01:22.12 | Bounty | You will when you see/play it :) |
| 01:22.18 | draktok | er, last one, BC? |
| 01:22.21 | draktok | BT 8 |
| 01:22.23 | draktok | BT * |
| 01:22.30 | DeadZergling | that is probably true draktok , girls get preferential treatment all the time |
| 01:22.51 | DeadZergling | one of the benefits of playing as a guy in any game, you know any treatment you get is based on you, not on being a woman |
| 01:22.51 | Triceron | Mount Hyjal... the CoT raid that had nothing to do with the infinite dragonflight... |
| 01:22.54 | Dustin|Work | Hyjal was cool cause it was a different experience than the normal raids, cause it was like a defense |
| 01:23.19 | draktok | Yeah, was neat seing the wc3 quest redone though |
| 01:23.23 | DeadZergling | it just makes me want change the channel, Bounty , lol |
| 01:23.25 | draktok | I went back and did it after rath launch |
| 01:23.26 | Triceron | I really liked the mission in War3. I felt the raid was a bit long though |
| 01:23.37 | Triceron | damn, that makes me want to play a SC2 version of it |
| 01:23.45 | Dustin|Work | I like the Battle For Mount Hyjal WC3 Custom Map |
| 01:23.55 | Dustin|Work | That shit was awesome |
| 01:23.55 | draktok | that's really why i liked the CoT dungeons and shit, is for the nostalgia from wc3, because i had such fond memories of wc3 |
| 01:24.04 | draktok | then blizzard had to keep shitting out WoW xpac, and the story went to ass |
| 01:24.48 | DeadZergling | As proven by George Lucas, the need for money often trumps the desire for integrity |
| 01:25.05 | Triceron | I just want the new expansion to be announced |
| 01:25.17 | draktok | the.. new - new wow xpac |
| 01:25.19 | DeadZergling | Mists of Panderia 2! |
| 01:25.20 | draktok | the one after warlods? |
| 01:25.28 | draktok | i'm done hearing about it |
| 01:25.30 | draktok | some of my friends like it |
| 01:25.36 | Triceron | I think the most enjoyment I get out of WoW now is the hype train they build to take you on a ride |
| 01:25.38 | draktok | and i'm like guys grow the fk up lets play 'good' games lol |
| 01:25.41 | Triceron | screw the actual game |
| 01:25.57 | Triceron | I just wanna hear Metzen scream about the next big bad |
| 01:26.00 | Bounty | You will love it when its attached to the game DeadZergling |
| 01:26.04 | draktok | i don't even enjoy it |
| 01:26.31 | DeadZergling | Bounty, I know you work hard on things, but you can't force me to like uninteresting music |
| 01:26.43 | Bounty | Of course not |
| 01:26.58 | DeadZergling | I just hope you have a music on/off option, lol |
| 01:27.04 | Triceron | what kind of music you usually listen to DZ? |
| 01:27.13 | Bounty | but if you don't like certain music by itself, when put into something like a game... you might like it |
| 01:27.18 | Bounty | in that context |
| 01:27.40 | DeadZergling | VG music, anime stuff. I tend to prefer music without words period, or at least in a language I can't understand, lol |
| 01:27.52 | draktok | lol |
| 01:27.58 | Triceron | makes sense |
| 01:28.01 | DeadZergling | contra/ninja gaiden music is my idea of a good time |
| 01:28.02 | Bounty | same |
| 01:28.09 | Triceron | better not knowing the nonsense than knowing it and facepalming haha |
| 01:28.20 | Bounty | The only reason I like classical music is bc Idk what they're saying |
| 01:28.27 | Bounty | well, thats not the ONLY reason but its a big one |
| 01:28.38 | DeadZergling | true, but is a better reason still for that Triceron, I want to enjoy the music, have it help me |
| 01:28.41 | DeadZergling | not distract me |
| 01:28.55 | DeadZergling | don't have time to care what some hussy is singing about |
| 01:29.28 | Bounty | As if caring took time |
| 01:29.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:30.03 | draktok | I just lost a game of offworld trading corp where the guy accumulated 50k of money in 4 minutes (i had 200$ to my name and 6k debt) |
| 01:30.03 | DeadZergling | it often does, and a lot of it, Bounty . You should know how much trouble caring about cleaning messes up can be, as a paper towel man. |
| 01:30.05 | draktok | wtf is this game |
| 01:30.37 | DeadZergling | maybe it is a game with leveling up and upgrades that persist, draktok |
| 01:30.52 | DeadZergling | or in epic halo voice, perhaps.... "YOU SUCK" |
| 01:30.58 | draktok | i think its a game |
| 01:31.02 | draktok | where the NPC"s have cheats |
| 01:31.05 | draktok | to keep up with normal players |
| 01:31.08 | draktok | =.= |
| 01:31.23 | Triceron | oh so 'the guy' is an NPC, not another player |
| 01:31.26 | draktok | there is no physical way to have accumulated that much cash via normal means, literally impossible for me to have done so |
| 01:31.30 | draktok | ye |
| 01:31.43 | Triceron | I thought you were talking something like Eve |
| 01:33.16 | draktok | no it's offworld trading corp |
| 01:36.17 | draktok | i am discovering the best way to play this game, isn't to build what you need to expand, but instead to buy what you don't need, sell it all for money and buy the other teams out before your civilization crumbles from lack of resources |
| 01:36.18 | draktok | lol |
| 01:37.54 | DeadZergling | I've decided I suck at coming up with good announcements |
| 01:37.59 | DeadZergling | this shit is harder than I thought it'd be |
| 01:39.25 | draktok | didn't like any of the UT examples? :p |
| 01:39.25 | Bounty | Coming up with anything ever is harder then it seems |
| 01:42.18 | Triceron | it comes when you aren't trying to force it |
| 01:43.47 | JademusSreg | That's what he and/or she said. Bazing. |
| 01:43.48 | Bounty | ^ |
| 01:43.55 | Bounty | ^ |
| 01:45.10 | DeadZergling | okay, this one isn't bad, lol, ... should probably be selling snacks instead! |
| 01:45.53 | draktok | I have confirmed that npc's cheat in this game |
| 01:46.03 | draktok | Says he has 100k in debt, he has 0 cash, and he bought my company , how, idk |
| 01:46.06 | draktok | damn game. |
| 01:46.13 | draktok | No fun with cheating NPCs when you are trying to learn how to play |
| 01:46.16 | DeadZergling | npcs cheat in all games |
| 01:46.23 | DeadZergling | the difference is how much you allow them to, lol |
| 01:46.33 | draktok | well that's true |
| 01:46.44 | draktok | I assume they cheat as far as being able to purchase themselves into debt unlike me |
| 01:46.53 | draktok | Unelss you can take out loans into debt that i don't know about |
| 01:47.34 | draktok | Blizzard Arcade â@BlizzardArcade 5m5 minutes ago 20 minutes before we jump on the mid-week moshpit with @Sinvicta for Arcade action. Veggies and kittens for all! http://www.twitch.tv/sinvicta |
| 01:52.29 | DeadZergling | i dunno, too long of announcements, or okay? ... should probably be working the snack bar instead! && ... will have a funeral service this weekend! |
| 01:53.03 | Bounty | Yep, they're starting in about 8 minutes draktok |
| 01:53.41 | draktok | i don't know what you're asking dead |
| 01:54.37 | DeadZergling | well, would that be too long to be read, does it just trail on and on, or not too long? |
| 01:57.20 | draktok | I got in his game Bounty |
| 01:57.24 | draktok | Gonna play StarParty LOL |
| 01:57.26 | draktok | and i dont' think so dead |
| 01:57.29 | draktok | Seems fine to me |
| 02:00.51 | anarch | hey |
| 02:01.02 | anarch | does anyone know if it's possible to set a unit to block vision? |
| 02:01.10 | anarch | so enemies can not see behind him etc |
| 02:07.40 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I'll see if I can dig it up in a sec. It is easy with footprints, but with normal units, there is something else IIRC. |
| 02:07.51 | anarch | alright |
| 02:20.59 | draktok | well i'm done with that |
| 02:21.01 | draktok | what's up guys |
| 02:21.08 | anarch | nm, you? |
| 02:22.20 | draktok | well |
| 02:22.24 | draktok | had fun on the blizz arcade non sense |
| 02:22.27 | draktok | now i do nothing :D |
| 02:25.41 | Dustin|Work | Aaaand bored watching them play fucking pictionary :P |
| 02:26.37 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 02:28.26 | ArcanePariah | anarch: you can make stationary units block vision, but not moving normal units. |
| 02:28.36 | draktok | yeah |
| 02:28.38 | draktok | me 2 dustin |
| 02:28.38 | draktok | i'm out |
| 02:33.37 | anarch | ArcanePariah: ah... what's the difference? |
| 02:34.01 | anarch | something about footprints? i know siege tank has a footprint and most units do not? |
| 02:34.59 | Dustin|Work | Footprints are for static units that don't move |
| 02:35.11 | Dustin|Work | So the siege tank has a footprint for his sieged mode, but not for his tank mode |
| 02:36.20 | anarch | yep, so im guessing this is why arcane is explaining that stationary units can block vision, but not mobile (normal) units |
| 02:37.17 | Dustin|Work | Yup yup |
| 02:38.51 | draktok | the pictionairy spam |
| 02:38.53 | draktok | doesn't really like |
| 02:38.56 | draktok | help grow the arcade image |
| 02:39.04 | draktok | .. its quite boring to watch in fact |
| 02:43.15 | draktok | where's zolden at? hmm |
| 02:49.40 | Dustin|Work | probably off kicking puppies |
| 02:54.26 | draktok | good for him |
| 02:54.37 | ArcanePariah | I thought he kicked bunnies |
| 02:56.14 | ArcanePariah | anarch: footprints are pretty much what they say they are, the apply a footprint to the terrain. But because of this, it doesn't permit it to move, since it alters the pathing mesh of the game. Path finding with a dynamic mesh is hard enough, pathfinding with a non deterministic mesh is impossible in real time. |
| 03:08.45 | anarch | thats a good way to look at it |
| 03:34.57 | DeadZergling | finally, finished with my script |
| 03:35.04 | DeadZergling | hopefully I don't totally hate it tomorrow, lol |
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| 04:29.23 | Bounty | God I hate the War 3 asset animations |
| 04:31.24 | DeadZergling | having fun over there eh Bounty ? |
| 04:31.30 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 04:32.09 | Bounty | Although I was dissapointed to see that major Warcraft 3 characters do not have HD models |
| 04:32.12 | Bounty | Its only the heroes |
| 04:43.16 | Bounty | First thing I am doing is creating the classes and attacks DeadZergling |
| 04:43.18 | Bounty | the fun stuff |
| 04:43.19 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:43.34 | DeadZergling | that way it can be a long headache the rest of the way? |
| 04:43.46 | Bounty | Nah |
| 04:43.55 | Bounty | Only headache will come when I get to items |
| 04:44.01 | Bounty | Like I said earlier |
| 04:44.07 | Bounty | outside of that, its going to be a lot of fun |
| 04:45.11 | Bounty | What sucks ATM is the animations DeadZergling |
| 04:45.21 | Bounty | so heavy attacks and normal attacks will look pretty much the same lol |
| 04:48.08 | DeadZergling | that is real, great? |
| 04:48.41 | Bounty | I don't appreciate your condescending pause =P |
| 05:03.05 | draktok | Bounty why does it matter if the heroes are high def vs the 'major wc3 characters' when most of the heroes were teh same models |
| 05:03.11 | draktok | AKA far seer = thrall, who cares? |
| 05:03.25 | draktok | unless you're looking for someone like Kil'jadean, then yeah, it sucks |
| 05:05.02 | Bounty | Kil'Jadean is actually included in the HD models |
| 05:05.13 | draktok | i didn't even looking |
| 05:05.22 | draktok | i was just trying to think of a character that didn't have a hero |
| 05:05.29 | draktok | who doesn't have a hero version? |
| 05:05.37 | draktok | maybe gul'dan? |
| 05:05.39 | draktok | dark ranger? |
| 05:05.47 | draktok | hmm pit lord? i think the nuetrals dont |
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| 05:07.15 | draktok | would be cool to make the bosses non-playable character models though - you know, gul'dan as a boss - if it's thrall as a boss using him riding the boar, it would be kind of lame if you had a far seer hero |
| 05:07.26 | draktok | if that make sense |
| 05:08.10 | Bounty | Yeah, thats pretty common sense draktok |
| 05:08.21 | Bounty | Would be very silly to have bosses that you can play as lol |
| 05:08.21 | draktok | but, i just mean idon't know if there is enough heroes to do such a thing |
| 05:08.27 | draktok | or rather, HD models |
| 05:08.56 | draktok | i don't mean you play the boss, just if you're 'far seer (who is really just thrall) then a thrall boss should use a different model than far seer |
| 05:09.16 | Bounty | Same thing |
| 05:09.41 | draktok | is there a thrall model not on his boar? |
| 05:09.47 | draktok | or w/e he is riding, wolf? |
| 05:10.01 | Bounty | Honestly, no idea... I didn't check the orc models lol |
| 05:10.09 | Bounty | except Blademaster |
| 05:10.24 | draktok | i dont' think |
| 05:10.29 | draktok | they made the chaos blade master |
| 05:10.30 | draktok | high def |
| 05:10.36 | Gattakhan | Hey everyone. New guy here. I heard this is the best place to get live help for the SC2 editor. |
| 05:10.36 | draktok | could be wrong, think it was only regular blade master though |
| 05:10.49 | draktok | Yeah Gattakhan probably |
| 05:11.32 | Bounty | I think this might be the only place to get live help for the editor. |
| 05:11.51 | draktok | Proabably more so |
| 05:13.01 | Gattakhan | Idk what it was like back in 2010, but I'm assuming it got more and more quiet as time went on. |
| 05:13.18 | Gattakhan | Really gotta dig deep to learn the editor |
| 05:14.07 | draktok | yeah, and spend more time trying to find a up to date tutorial on how to do something than you spend using it |
| 05:14.18 | draktok | a lot of tutorials need to be flagged OUT OF DATE on sc2 mapster |
| 05:14.30 | Gattakhan | LOL, so true. That's been my experience with it so far. |
| 05:15.19 | draktok | I find it helps to just test things about a 100 times to see what works or what doesn't |
| 05:15.31 | draktok | triggers, probably need more tutorials for me personally, but most data is pretty straight forward (to me) |
| 05:15.42 | draktok | and if it's not, you can usually resolve via tests |
| 05:15.43 | Gattakhan | Slapping a pre-existing ability oon a pre-existing unit and making it cost 0 energy isn't my idea of a good Data Module tutorial, but it's what I keep on finding. |
| 05:16.10 | draktok | i try to get all my game components of stuff i don't know how to do handled before i start making the map so i know how to implement it and dont' spend a lot of time in weird test phases half way through the map |
| 05:16.30 | draktok | for making new abilities, pretty hard - i find some good example through renee though |
| 05:17.31 | Gattakhan | I've been able to get halfway through whatever I try to do and then it doesn't work in the end. |
| 05:17.31 | draktok | download the PTR and load renee's mod for the wc3 stuff, has most of the wc3 abilities working |
| 05:17.59 | draktok | so you can look at real examples besides just "snipe" |
| 05:18.12 | Gattakhan | So I'm missing some key fundamental things that I didn't pick up with just tampering. |
| 05:18.27 | draktok | thats what i did to figure a lot of stuff out - i know how to do a handful of things, for me the hard part is attaching actors / models to abilities, but, i find all the actual implementation of damage and effects easy now |
| 05:19.19 | Gattakhan | "Tieing" things together and having them work is my problem right now. |
| 05:19.32 | Gattakhan | Trying to make an SC2 mod. |
| 05:19.45 | Bounty | Data or Triggers Gattakhan? |
| 05:19.50 | draktok | What are you having issue doing exactly>? |
| 05:20.06 | Gattakhan | Data, as far as I know. |
| 05:20.15 | draktok | Note a lot of things in abilities sometimes have to be half controlled via triggers due to sc2 data not handling specific types of abilities well |
| 05:20.18 | Bounty | What are you trying to do? |
| 05:20.50 | draktok | for example, if you create a line missile via ability, the max targets function will not work since the missile isn't the ability, so you have to create a trigger to kill the missile after a certain amount of units hit |
| 05:21.17 | Gattakhan | Is there a way to send PMs to someone willing to help or is it cool if I type it all here? |
| 05:21.34 | Gattakhan | Don't really know the general rules here |
| 05:21.39 | Bounty | You can type it all here |
| 05:21.58 | Gattakhan | All right cool. |
| 05:22.07 | Bounty | The general rule is, don't be Stewox and talk about Alex Jones conspiracies |
| 05:22.11 | draktok | anarch how complete is your game? will it be done for the patch launch>? |
| 05:22.12 | Bounty | thats about it |
| 05:22.59 | draktok | I still don't get stewox but maybe that's because you had to be there to get it |
| 05:23.20 | Bounty | Pretty much |
| 05:24.04 | Gattakhan | Haha |
| 05:24.49 | Gattakhan | I think I can resist the Alex Jones talk. |
| 05:25.15 | draktok | I don't even know who that is |
| 05:25.34 | Bounty | So, what are you trying to do/having issues with Gattakhan? |
| 05:25.36 | Gattakhan | All right, so--- |
| 05:26.26 | Gattakhan | I've got a list of 4 items (as of now) that I can't get working on my own after spending a couple of days of attempts. |
| 05:26.52 | draktok | that's a lot of time without asking for help - i try for 10 minutes and bug DeadZergling |
| 05:27.13 | Gattakhan | I'm modifying a bunch of Zerg stuff atm, so here's the first. |
| 05:28.05 | draktok | BTw if you need to show us a trigger use this http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 and shift click the whole trigger, right click it and hit "copy as text" |
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| 05:29.08 | Bounty | ok so this is a data question? well, that counts me out >.< |
| 05:31.38 | Gattakhan | 1.) Create an upgrade called "Invasive Species" to Infestation Pit (removing Enduring Locusts). The effects are +10 min/max Locust HP, Acid Spit weapon attack period set to 0.900, Toxic Barb weapon attack period set to 0.75, and Locust MP model scales (min/max) set to 1.083. |
| 05:32.28 | Gattakhan | Acid Spit and Toxic Barbs are the Locusts ranged/melee attacks btw. |
| 05:35.04 | Gattakhan | So I created the upgrade itself, added all of the effects except the model scale increase because I couldn't figure out how to add that effect. I have the affected unit set to Locust, but then I can't tie it to the infstation pit and make it work. |
| 05:37.27 | Gattakhan | I also created a 76x76 custom icon for the upgrade, saved it as a DDS 5, and attempted to import it, and it seems it did. But, when I try to use it, it doesn't appear in the search list along with all of the other game buttons. |
| 05:38.25 | Gattakhan | There's my first one. |
| 05:41.53 | Gattakhan | It's 1:40 am where I'm at. maybe this isn't the best time of day/night to start listing off things I need help with. Is there a more active time? |
| 05:45.35 | draktok | Hey Gattakhan |
| 05:45.40 | draktok | Sorry I am late response |
| 05:45.47 | draktok | Does your infestation pit have an ability to cast the upgrade? |
| 05:46.29 | draktok | If not, create an ability to research |
| 05:47.08 | draktok | I will walk you through it |
| 05:48.01 | Gattakhan | Sweet |
| 05:48.25 | draktok | Do you know how to create an ability research? |
| 05:48.59 | Gattakhan | Ok, so right now I have my Infestation Pit, unedited. |
| 05:49.17 | draktok | So go to ability tab |
| 05:49.21 | Gattakhan | I see research ability on the pit by default? |
| 05:49.40 | draktok | Right click, create ability - set the ability type -research- and hit okay (name it w/e you want it named, doesn't matter, it's to help you in the editor) |
| 05:50.06 | Gattakhan | But no I don't know how to make a research ability for structures from scratch. |
| 05:50.10 | draktok | It might have the ability to research already, you can just tag onto that if you want |
| 05:50.16 | draktok | I'll tell you either way |
| 05:50.37 | Gattakhan | Ok I'll create one |
| 05:50.44 | draktok | Lets create a new one so you know how to do it? :) |
| 05:50.54 | draktok | Right click, add ability, make the parent as research |
| 05:51.16 | draktok | on the right side will have ability: info |
| 05:51.24 | draktok | ability : info + |
| 05:51.28 | draktok | double click it |
| 05:51.47 | draktok | it will pull up a new window with about 30 researches all listed as none all the way down |
| 05:52.09 | Gattakhan | ok |
| 05:52.10 | draktok | double click any of them, doesn't matter - it will open up another window |
| 05:52.14 | Gattakhan | got it |
| 05:52.28 | draktok | at the top of that window says button - you'll want to set the button. You might have not created one yet, just use any old button for a place holder, no big deal |
| 05:52.37 | draktok | use stimpack for all i care |
| 05:52.58 | draktok | Then scroll to the bottom and you'll see info - upgrade |
| 05:53.03 | draktok | Choose your upgrade that you created |
| 05:54.15 | Gattakhan | All right |
| 05:54.38 | draktok | So got your button and upgrade set on that ability, correcT? |
| 05:54.40 | Gattakhan | Quick question about the icon I made |
| 05:55.02 | draktok | Ok? |
| 05:55.53 | Gattakhan | It's on my upgrade, yet I cant actually find it in the list to use for the upgrade. I picked one for this walkthru, but I was jw. |
| 05:58.03 | draktok | Hm, we'll get to that in a few |
| 05:58.16 | draktok | maybe upgrade made wrong, hard to say |
| 05:58.18 | Gattakhan | If you aren't sure why, let's just keep moving along. |
| 05:58.27 | Gattakhan | ok |
| 05:58.27 | draktok | Okay, so go to units |
| 05:58.33 | draktok | and find your infestation pit or w/e building you wanted |
| 05:59.04 | draktok | on the right side, you'll see abilities for the infestation pit. usually at the top - double click it and it will open a new window |
| 05:59.23 | Gattakhan | got it |
| 05:59.29 | draktok | should say abilites - abilities+ |
| 05:59.42 | draktok | add a new ability by pressing the + mark - and then search for your ability you just made |
| 05:59.56 | draktok | or, if it's tagged your upgrade onto an existing ability, you can skip this steap |
| 05:59.58 | draktok | step * |
| 06:00.14 | draktok | hit ok - ok and then |
| 06:00.18 | draktok | look for the command card on the right side |
| 06:00.29 | draktok | should say ability : command card |
| 06:00.47 | draktok | double click that, and it will open the command card, find where you want the ability to appear in game, and clikc on it |
| 06:01.04 | draktok | hit + to add a button - selecting w/e button, usually the same one you used in the ability |
| 06:01.14 | draktok | set the command type as "ability command" |
| 06:01.22 | draktok | ability "name of your ability" |
| 06:01.38 | draktok | ability command w/e name was used of the button you used (in my case, research stimpack) |
| 06:01.50 | draktok | best to use a button that's relevant to your upgrade name, so you know |
| 06:01.57 | Gattakhan | I'm clinking the abilities + thing, it has 3 abilities already but it isn't letting me add more |
| 06:02.00 | draktok | hit okay okay, and you're done - it will show up in game |
| 06:02.19 | draktok | right click on the building / unit |
| 06:02.20 | draktok | and duplicate it |
| 06:02.21 | Gattakhan | Should I be using detailed view or table view? |
| 06:02.26 | draktok | sometimes sc2 is picky about you modifying |
| 06:02.29 | draktok | the base asset |
| 06:02.45 | draktok | table is what i use |
| 06:02.50 | draktok | i think bounty uses another :) |
| 06:03.51 | DeadZergling | no view is inherently better or worse really, Gattakhan |
| 06:04.04 | DeadZergling | i tend to prefer either detailed or xml |
| 06:04.07 | Gattakhan | Ok, so I added the ability, what type do I set it to? |
| 06:04.15 | draktok | ability command |
| 06:04.21 | draktok | oh oh oh |
| 06:04.22 | draktok | ability |
| 06:04.28 | draktok | sorry you're a step back haha |
| 06:04.41 | Gattakhan | I'm not on the command card thing yet |
| 06:04.48 | draktok | anyways, leave it as race all / ability type - and just search for the ablity you created |
| 06:05.30 | Gattakhan | Yeah I had to open detailed view to allow me to add to the structure's abilities. |
| 06:05.42 | draktok | http://i.imgur.com/xMX9Vt2.png |
| 06:05.47 | draktok | Should do something like this look wise |
| 06:06.06 | Gattakhan | yup |
| 06:06.22 | Gattakhan | So what type? Effect? |
| 06:07.08 | Gattakhan | Research? |
| 06:10.18 | draktok | just leave it as all |
| 06:10.20 | draktok | that's fine as all |
| 06:10.30 | draktok | you can put it as research but i don't think it matters, i've never modified that field |
| 06:12.37 | Gattakhan | ok |
| 06:12.47 | Gattakhan | So Itested the document |
| 06:14.40 | Gattakhan | shows up in my structure as a enduring locusts, I picked that as my button so it should be like that right? |
| 06:15.36 | Gattakhan | Now duplicate the structure and everything tied with it? |
| 06:16.42 | draktok | yep =) |
| 06:16.49 | draktok | as long as the upgrade was created correctly :) |
| 06:24.54 | Gattakhan | http://i.imgur.com/EVKGy86.png |
| 06:25.09 | Gattakhan | That's what I have before duplicating it |
| 06:27.41 | Gattakhan | It displays it as enduring locusts, but doesnt behave like my upgrade. |
| 06:27.53 | Gattakhan | Is that right? |
| 06:29.23 | Gattakhan | http://i.imgur.com/d7DpGRv.jpg |
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| 06:44.49 | DeadZergling | lol draktok , some of this sounds so hilarious |
| 06:45.08 | DeadZergling | Mecha DeadZergling, what a phrase, lol |
| 06:45.23 | draktok | Looks right to me gattakhan, but hard to tell with the extended view as opposed to the actual upgrade |
| 06:45.40 | draktok | but if it's displaying proper in game, and the command card is set to 'ability command' with your ability set up, you're g2g |
| 06:46.25 | DeadZergling | boy am I in for a lot of editing work here, lol |
| 06:54.37 | Gattakhan | Here's what I have: http://i.imgur.com/RgQcwY5.jpg |
| 06:54.59 | Gattakhan | It still shows up in game as enduring locusts. |
| 06:55.44 | Gattakhan | and upon completing, it does nothing. My upgrade may not be done right. |
| 06:56.51 | DeadZergling | this could take me days to implement |
| 07:00.47 | Gattakhan | I should probably know how to make an upgrade properly from scratch before I attempt to apply it to a building. |
| 07:01.36 | Gattakhan | But at least I know now that you need to use a research ability on the structure. |
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| 07:11.11 | Gattakhan | So that's the actual upgrade. Is it missing anything? http://i.imgur.com/j2xpV0W.jpg |
| 07:11.18 | DeadZergling | hehe, poor voice over guys, some of these lines are a bit on the silly side. This is why you just say no to Zerg kids! It is the terrifying infested raynor! |
| 07:11.57 | DeadZergling | looks fine Gattakhan , assuming you only need 1 level of it ever |
| 07:12.34 | Gattakhan | Yeah It's just a one-off research like Ling speed/Stimpack. |
| 07:16.18 | DeadZergling | draktok died apparently |
| 07:16.24 | draktok | ye i did |
| 07:16.45 | DeadZergling | so very quiet |
| 07:16.47 | draktok | yeah, deadzergling is right, if you need another upgrade it needs to be changed |
| 07:16.50 | draktok | im a in a game sorry |
| 07:17.28 | Gattakhan | Hmm. Still doesn't display in-game. |
| 07:17.30 | Gattakhan | Blegh |
| 07:17.57 | Gattakhan | Still sits there as Enduring Locusts. |
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| 07:24.47 | draktok | what did you change it to? |
| 07:25.02 | draktok | did you modify the command card? |
| 07:41.09 | DeadZergling | sigh, I hate being me sometimes |
| 07:41.27 | DeadZergling | can't just be happy with all the voice overs, no, I gotta find a few to request do overs for |
| 07:43.53 | DeadZergling | the hell is with this autoplay feature on youtube anyways, is nifty and all, but how about autoreplay as a fucking option too |
| 07:47.28 | gjdr | listenonrepeat is an option too |
| 07:48.02 | Gattakhan | Doesn't it help them to force you to watch more videos? |
| 07:48.18 | Gattakhan | More views? |
| 07:48.35 | Gattakhan | More attractive for advertisers? idk |
| 07:52.19 | Gattakhan | I edited the Command card and the proper icon is on there, but the effect doesn't apply to my units. Also trying have it appear properly with the right name and description. |
| 07:53.19 | gjdr | what are you trying to do, an aura? |
| 07:57.10 | DeadZergling | not seeing listenonrepeat for me, is an option to make videos slower or faster though, lol |
| 07:58.26 | Gattakhan | I'm just trying to make a basic upgrade work. |
| 07:59.04 | Gattakhan | It has more than one effect, I wonder do I need to create an effect set for the upgrade effects? |
| 07:59.05 | gjdr | it's a different website. you take your youtube link (like "www.youtube.com/blahhbealrfsg") and replace "youtube" with "listenonrepeat" |
| 08:00.56 | Gattakhan | This Data Module stuff can be rough to learn but I'm determined to get this thing done lol. |
| 08:01.19 | gjdr | eeh, well upgrades are as straightforward as it gets, I'm sure you'll get it ^_^ |
| 08:01.39 | gjdr | at least one time tech upgrades |
| 08:06.57 | Bounty | peow |
| 08:13.06 | DeadZergling | hi ba ba ba Bounty |
| 08:17.09 | draktok | I'll help more tomorrow Gattakhan |
| 08:17.12 | draktok | Maybe hop on skype iwth you |
| 08:17.17 | draktok | I was busy tonight I am sorry :) |
| 08:18.08 | draktok | goodnight all |
| 08:18.09 | draktok | i am dead |
| 08:18.28 | DeadZergling | no you aren't, I am |
| 08:18.45 | Gattakhan | ok sounds good draktok I'll be around |
| 08:19.09 | Gattakhan | thanks a lot btw for what you already did |
| 08:21.12 | DeadZergling | is his way of paying others back in the channel for help he needed before, Gattakhan |
| 08:21.18 | DeadZergling | is just how it goes around here, lol |
| 08:21.53 | DeadZergling | better you hear from draktok about your upgrade issue, I literally do not know how to do it properly out of a building, I do it all wrong |
| 08:22.16 | DeadZergling | it works, mind you, but I sincerely doubt Blizzard intended me to do it this way |
| 08:22.24 | Gattakhan | So is this basically the room of the last surviving hardcore sc2/wc3 modders? |
| 08:23.01 | DeadZergling | not the only, but some of the more active ones maybe? |
| 08:23.30 | Gattakhan | I'm always pointed to SC2mapster, and the site itself seems rather quiet. |
| 08:23.50 | Gattakhan | Ahh |
| 08:24.31 | Gattakhan | I'm still messing around with things trying to get it working the way it should but it's rocky lol. |
| 08:24.56 | Gattakhan | Definitely made some progress tonight though. |
| 08:25.13 | DeadZergling | yea, we each have messed with certain things, you only know what you need to achieve your ends typically |
| 08:25.30 | DeadZergling | except for maybe freaks like JademusSreg and Arcanepariah, they enjoy learning things just for the sake of learning things :) |
| 08:30.07 | Bounty | I envy them for that ability lol |
| 08:30.56 | DeadZergling | well I've just created a shit ton of work for myself here Bounty |
| 08:31.16 | Bounty | That seems to be the growing trend for all of us these days |
| 08:32.01 | Gattakhan | Anyone know how to edit the cost of an upgrade? I keep poking around but I can't find the field for it. |
| 08:32.18 | Gattakhan | I just want to reduce the time req for testing. |
| 08:37.31 | DeadZergling | yea, mine will be combining sound files for several days |
| 08:37.48 | DeadZergling | is probably under the ability part, Gattakhan |
| 08:38.10 | DeadZergling | is ability, some upgrade thingy right? I think it might be with the upgrade thingy |
| 08:39.46 | DeadZergling | yea all right, looking at the Armory Ability, I can see that it is under Info -, Research 01, Research 02, etc etc |
| 08:39.55 | DeadZergling | the Research is where you can adjust the cost |
| 08:48.22 | Gattakhan | Ok so it's not tied to the actual upgrade lol. |
| 08:49.18 | Gattakhan | Ok got it, now how do I make it so it upgrades once and then takes it out of the structure? |
| 08:54.53 | gjdr | in ability there should be a place where you select button which represents your upgrade |
| 08:55.08 | gjdr | somewhere there should also be a field for the requirment |
| 08:55.11 | DeadZergling | that is done using requirements I think Gattakhan |
| 08:55.22 | gjdr | ^ |
| 08:55.28 | DeadZergling | you made a requirement before? |
| 08:56.19 | gjdr | they can be tricky at first, you probably want to duplicate and adjust something that's already used |
| 08:58.49 | Gattakhan | ahh ok |
| 09:08.25 | Gattakhan | haven't made one before |
| 09:09.42 | DeadZergling | yea, just dupe one similar, battlecruiser yamato cannon probably be close to what you want |
| 09:09.55 | DeadZergling | or do BCs auto get that now? |
| 09:22.17 | Gattakhan | Not too sure, I haven't touched req's or req nodes before but I am willing to learn (tomorrow perhaps?). |
| 09:23.34 | Gattakhan | see yas later, thanks again for the help, I'll be sure to come back. |
| 09:29.12 | DeadZergling | well, hope your suffering is going better than mine Bounty , lol |
| 09:39.09 | DeadZergling | just living the dream over here, if that dream was to paste selections of a long audio file, complete with the exact length of each selection |
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| 10:20.06 | DeadZergling | Well, about time for me to stop for the night, that sound editing was surprisingly tiresome. What sort of stuff you work on anyways gjdr ? |
| 10:20.55 | gjdr | nothing that ever gets finished, that sort of things |
| 10:21.27 | DeadZergling | oh I see, you put time in, get disgusted with parts of it, say fuck it and try something else sort of deal? lol |
| 10:22.49 | gjdr | my magic hands put everything I touch in stasis t_t |
| 10:23.15 | DeadZergling | well, I'm sure you'll finish something eventually |
| 10:23.59 | gjdr | someday, yeah, something is bound to get finished allright |
| 10:24.07 | DeadZergling | just like I'll release my RPG, some year, eventually.... |
| 10:24.40 | DeadZergling | some decade, I am so gifted at procrastinating... |
| 10:24.52 | gjdr | that's the talent many share |
| 10:24.55 | gjdr | :) |
| 10:25.23 | DeadZergling | is a hard one to understand, I know certain parts will take more work, be more difficult |
| 10:25.43 | DeadZergling | meaning more time needs to be put in, but what do I do, put it off, find any excuse |
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| 10:27.35 | gjdr | if you just don't want to do a certain part at a certain time - don't push it, try something else instead |
| 10:28.58 | DeadZergling | yea, I'm quite successful on that front, currently I am so determined not to finish Boss3 of my RPG, I hired a guy to do announcements for my other map, and am going to edit it up and piece them together so he will make announcements throughtout the entire game |
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| 15:21.10 | draktok | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.49 | draktok | well |
| 15:23.54 | draktok | i'm alive, but i don't have much to show for it |
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| 17:24.40 | Zolden | tricks duckies to turn him into recursive duck (smaller duck instead of the beak) |
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| 18:42.02 | draktok | Zolden i thought you died |
| 19:14.29 | Zolden | no, just farted |
| 19:30.30 | draktok | wow |
| 19:30.31 | draktok | good for u |
| 19:30.36 | draktok | to admit such a thing is brave |
| 19:34.59 | Triceron | i'm surprised there were any survivors |
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| 20:30.16 | Gattakhan | Hey there. I made some progress on thaty upgrade I was working on, but today I have to learn how to do the requirements and nodes. |
| 20:34.01 | anarch | hello |
| 20:34.20 | anarch | Gattakhan: can i ask what youre trying to accomplish? |
| 20:34.25 | anarch | i may be able to help, if that is indeed why you are asking |
| 20:39.16 | Zolden | Gattakhan requirements are easy, for exampe, you create node "Greater than", then under it create two more: "number of upgrades" -> your upgrade -> completed; and constant -> 0 |
| 20:39.44 | Zolden | so, this requirement will be true when your upgrade has been researched at elast one |
| 20:41.26 | anarch | to exapnd on that, you can pretty much think of a "requirement" as an object that will always be either 'true' or 'false', depending on the 'conditions' that you specify. |
| 20:42.04 | anarch | In zolden's example, the condition is being set up as a comparison between 2 things, specifically "Greater than" means is 1 thing greater than another thing. |
| 20:42.47 | anarch | below this node you put the things to be compared, in other words, ____ is greater than ___________ , you need to fill in the blanks |
| 20:43.18 | anarch | Zolden's example used "Number of upgrades, your upgrade" as the first blank, and "0" as the second blank |
| 20:44.10 | anarch | meaning, if the number of upgrades (speficially the exact upgrade that you specify) is greater than 1 |
| 20:44.38 | anarch | meaning it has been "upgraded/researched" at least once |
| 20:44.47 | anarch | then it will return true |
| 20:44.51 | anarch | otherwise it will always be false. |
| 20:46.40 | DeadZergling | well duckies , my map will now tell you what a terrible player you are when you die |
| 20:46.50 | anarch | fun times :D |
| 20:47.17 | DeadZergling | the special announcements during Infested Raynor go quite well too |
| 20:47.36 | Zolden | infested Voidraynor |
| 20:48.11 | DeadZergling | always gets back to rimjobs with Zolden. Is Putin making you act that way man? |
| 20:53.00 | DeadZergling | speaking of which, Apple Apple Orange is considered an ACTION game? |
| 20:53.06 | DeadZergling | how the hell does that happen |
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| 21:32.21 | Bounty | peow |
| 21:32.21 | Triceron | poop |
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| 21:39.46 | Gattakhan | Ok anarch and Zolden, so they're kind of like if then statements |
| 21:40.19 | Gattakhan | What's the difference between the requirement and the module? I the module the method of comparison? |
| 21:40.23 | Gattakhan | Is* |
| 21:40.47 | Gattakhan | And the Req are the two things being compared? |
| 21:41.32 | Gattakhan | In that case I would need two reqs for everything I wanted to make a req comparison for? |
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| 21:48.35 | Zolden | ArcanePariah there's something that can turn you on |
| 21:48.43 | Zolden | a noob asking data questions! |
| 21:49.01 | Zolden | Gattakhan only 1 requirement |
| 21:49.09 | Zolden | you can create AND node |
| 21:49.13 | Zolden | for example |
| 21:49.23 | Zolden | for it create 2 more nodes |
| 21:49.38 | Zolden | each of them will be a comparison |
| 22:05.40 | draktok | zolden |
| 22:05.46 | draktok | what's that name of that show i was supposed to watch on adult swim |
| 22:05.52 | draktok | with morty |
| 22:05.55 | draktok | and the other scientist guy |
| 22:06.28 | draktok | also i am surprised ArcanePariah hasn't jumped on the help train, he loves helping or something |
| 22:07.14 | ArcanePariah | Sadly because I have a myriad of responsibilities that demand my time. |
| 22:07.33 | ArcanePariah | Also, because my internet has been unstable as of late, because of my electric service being a bit... wonky |
| 22:08.28 | draktok | its okay i haven't paid my electric bill in 3 months |
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| 22:08.53 | ArcanePariah | Carrier has arrived |
| 22:08.58 | ArcanePariah | Sup Dustin_Hendricks |
| 22:08.59 | draktok | because i can't because my roommate moved out that had the information for the log in and my roommate is uh |
| 22:09.01 | draktok | unreachable |
| 22:09.11 | draktok | i should pay and sign up my own, since it was never in my name, so i can pay the bill i guess |
| 22:09.21 | ArcanePariah | Can't call them and arrange a service transfer? |
| 22:10.50 | draktok | don't know |
| 22:10.52 | draktok | i don't really want to pay it |
| 22:10.56 | draktok | they don't know i exist |
| 22:11.24 | draktok | lease will be in my name on the first so i'll call then |
| 22:23.36 | Dustin_Hendricks | holaaa |
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| 22:47.13 | draktok | i decided to work from home today and as a result |
| 22:47.17 | draktok | i have accomplished no work |
| 22:47.19 | draktok | damn i'm good |
| 22:47.31 | draktok | Gattakhan still confused on his map? :D |
| 22:47.43 | DeadZergling | pretty determined to get nothing done are we? |
| 22:47.57 | draktok | Yes |
| 22:48.03 | draktok | Well, i answered at least 4 or 5 emails |
| 22:48.13 | draktok | but they quit emailng me, probably cause i sounded pissy cause it was dumb questions |
| 22:48.16 | draktok | so, yes |
| 22:49.04 | draktok | "i can't log into X" "hey ... I only manage Y, you have to ask so and so for X" "oh, my manager said ask you for x, can you just do it this once?" "... i don't manage X, i can't do anything about it" "oh, so my manager was wrong?" |
| 22:49.07 | draktok | and then i quit responding :d |
| 22:53.00 | DeadZergling | I see, turns out I was right about an announcer making a game instantly more fun, lol |
| 22:53.43 | draktok | did you hire |
| 22:53.52 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 22:53.53 | draktok | and did you steal round namees? |
| 22:53.56 | draktok | who'd you hire? |
| 22:53.59 | draktok | that monster truck guy? |
| 22:54.30 | DeadZergling | not the monster truck guy, this guy: https://www.fiverr.com/wmunroejr/big-bad-hollywood-voice-over-talent |
| 22:55.01 | DeadZergling | is just awesome for Infested Raynor second phase now... Whoaaaa. This is why you just say no to Zerg kids! |
| 22:57.20 | DeadZergling | I still need at least another day or two to properly put the sounds in |
| 22:57.48 | draktok | well |
| 22:57.50 | draktok | i'm excited to hear the result |
| 22:58.05 | draktok | im not totally sold on his demo tape but |
| 22:58.10 | draktok | if you say it sounds good i believe you :) |
| 22:59.04 | DeadZergling | yea I wasn't either, so I asked him if he could do a particular voice before I sent any $$$ |
| 22:59.57 | DeadZergling | it isn't like having an announcer inside my game exactly, but who the hell can afford that anyways. Surprised Blizzard doesn't have something like this set up to have less costs from their announcers for the tourneys. |
| 23:05.55 | Gattakhan | Hey Draktok, I'm not so much confused as I feel like I'm trying to destroy an iceberg with a claw hammer lol. |
| 23:06.02 | Gattakhan | Slow and steady I suppose. |
| 23:06.08 | draktok | Ok |
| 23:06.12 | draktok | I'm gonna go take a nap |
| 23:06.18 | draktok | when i wake up in an hour or so i will help you |
| 23:06.27 | draktok | could get on skype or something for a quick run down how to create an upgrade |
| 23:06.28 | Gattakhan | Sounds good! |
| 23:06.35 | draktok | with requirements and all |
| 23:06.45 | Gattakhan | I got the upgrade down, I'm working on requirements now |
| 23:06.56 | Gattakhan | kk |
| 23:08.31 | draktok | yeah |
| 23:08.35 | draktok | i'm creating a quick requirement |
| 23:08.38 | draktok | to make sure i remember how |
| 23:09.25 | DeadZergling | I have to order a little more, since I forgot a few things completely |
| 23:09.38 | DeadZergling | but first order was pretty awesome :) |
| 23:11.48 | Gattakhan | It's pretty basic, i check out a tutorial on how to do it with an ability (blink), so I'm going to try to apply it to my upgrade in the Infestation Pit. I think it's basically going to look like Show\Not\count *upgrade name* Queue or Better |
| 23:12.07 | draktok | ya |
| 23:12.09 | draktok | u basically got it |
| 23:12.19 | draktok | i'm opening my old map to see how i did it |
| 23:12.24 | Gattakhan | That should make it so I can't re-research it over and over again. |
| 23:12.26 | draktok | i didn't save what we did last night |
| 23:12.28 | draktok | i don't want to start over lol |
| 23:12.35 | draktok | exactly |
| 23:13.03 | draktok | Hey deadzergling |
| 23:13.04 | Gattakhan | What's the "Learn and Have" reqs do that I'm seeing? |
| 23:13.12 | DeadZergling | yea draktok ? |
| 23:13.18 | draktok | How do i open up the search without crashing my editor trying to load everything on bnet? |
| 23:13.33 | draktok | i just want t o see my published but the editor locks up and my cpu hits 100% |
| 23:13.36 | Gattakhan | A lot of things have it. I can turn off the icon after queuing or completing it, but I don't know what the othe common ones do. |
| 23:13.50 | anarch | im back |
| 23:13.56 | DeadZergling | oh, importing outside mods again? |
| 23:14.03 | anarch | did you figure out the requirements thing, Gattakhan |
| 23:14.03 | draktok | no, just trying to open my old map |
| 23:14.08 | draktok | which i don't have a local copy of anymore |
| 23:14.12 | draktok | hopefully it's unlocked :) |
| 23:14.29 | Dustin|Work | Thats why I save all my maps to Dropbox only :) |
| 23:14.41 | draktok | i should - i just forget a lot |
| 23:14.44 | draktok | or i don't care i guess |
| 23:14.55 | DeadZergling | probably have too broad of search area, honestly |
| 23:15.02 | draktok | i know but i can't even click the drop down |
| 23:15.05 | draktok | cause it instantly hits 100% lol |
| 23:15.06 | draktok | damn |
| 23:15.09 | DeadZergling | it is possible to cancel the searches when they start you know, lol |
| 23:15.26 | DeadZergling | I see, may need to reset your settings then |
| 23:15.41 | DeadZergling | if you look in programdata, blizzard or SC2 or whichever, and delete some of that stuff |
| 23:15.49 | DeadZergling | should reset your editor settings |
| 23:16.25 | Gattakhan | Making progress on it. I can hide buttons after queuing them up! :o |
| 23:16.30 | draktok | i got it to work - change my region to EU didn't pull as many and let me type my map name in |
| 23:16.33 | draktok | then i change to US lol |
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| 23:16.59 | anarch | Gattakhan: thats a successful implementation of it, then! :) |
| 23:17.15 | DeadZergling | requirements are nifty things |
| 23:17.27 | anarch | so are validators |
| 23:17.32 | DeadZergling | I use them to cycle through about 19-21 diff abilities for my heroes |
| 23:17.52 | anarch | validtors make multiple weapon effects :D |
| 23:18.09 | DeadZergling | validators are good too, but annoying when a validator needs a requirement |
| 23:18.14 | DeadZergling | hate that, lol |
| 23:18.28 | draktok | I'm eventually setting up requirements to do something similar for my map dead |
| 23:18.48 | draktok | If you upgrade "immolate" or "immolate adapted" will change the skill path |
| 23:18.54 | draktok | or rather, the abilities that will appear |
| 23:19.45 | DeadZergling | could do it that way, or could just have a switch that checks for the ugprade |
| 23:20.04 | DeadZergling | it all comes down to how you want it to work, honestly |
| 23:21.49 | draktok | Well |
| 23:22.16 | draktok | I was going to do requirements because of how it will interact with the game at a later point - i know how to set a requirement for what i have in mind |
| 23:22.20 | draktok | i don't know how ot set a switch |
| 23:22.24 | draktok | for what i have in mind |
| 23:23.05 | DeadZergling | it is really easy draktok |
| 23:23.12 | DeadZergling | you just use a validator that uses a requirement |
| 23:23.23 | draktok | i don't see the difference then D: |
| 23:24.13 | DeadZergling | well, one way can just use one ability for the whole she-bang, the other requires 2 different ones |
| 23:24.52 | DeadZergling | which in most cases doesn't matter, but units are still limited to like 25ish or so Abilities as far as I know |
| 23:25.00 | DeadZergling | so I hate using more than I need if i can help it |
| 23:27.03 | draktok | it's 30 i think |
| 23:27.11 | draktok | which sucks because my hero chooser currently is just a wisp |
| 23:27.13 | draktok | so once i get to 30 heroes |
| 23:27.19 | draktok | i am forced to move the whole system to dialogs |
| 23:27.23 | draktok | which is easy, i'm mjust being lazy. |
| 23:27.46 | DeadZergling | 30, so many |
| 23:29.59 | Gattakhan | Is it necessary to tell the game to use the upgrade after completing it or will that happen automagically after queuing and completing it in-game? Is there a consequence for not making a req saying Use\CountUpgradeName\Completed? |
| 23:30.33 | Gattakhan | Second part of that question is basically what I'm asking. |
| 23:30.42 | Gattakhan | Sorry for excess words lol. |
| 23:31.24 | draktok | no |
| 23:31.34 | draktok | once you have used the upgrade in game, once it's completed it's completed |
| 23:31.45 | draktok | if it isn't applying the effect, or behavior on your unit, the upgrade isn't set up right |
| 23:31.56 | draktok | might need to make sure your upgrade has the "unit array" field set to the unit you want it to effect |
| 23:32.31 | anarch | Gattakhan: can you clarify exactly what your upgrade accomplishes? |
| 23:33.24 | DeadZergling | wow am I bad at doing any work at work |
| 23:33.31 | DeadZergling | oh well, their fault for giving me nothing to do, lol |
| 23:35.07 | draktok | thats what i said |
| 23:35.13 | draktok | as i sat at home not caring |
| 23:36.52 | anarch | Gattakhan: if you use 'Queued or better' instead of 'completed', for example, set the upgrade button not to show when the upgrade is 'queued or better' then the button will vanish as soon as you click it to start the upgrade, and it gets queued. |
| 23:37.07 | anarch | it will stay vanished as long as the upgrade completes, it will reappear if you cancel the upgrade or it is otherwise interupted |
| 23:40.09 | Gattakhan | Well I have the upgrade on my building, I can click it, it researches and applies everything to my units properly, but the UI part is where I'm at now. |
| 23:40.49 | Gattakhan | I created a Show->Not>Queued or better and used my upgrade, but it won't disappear. |
| 23:41.41 | anarch | 1 sec |
| 23:43.00 | Zolden | draktok rick and morty |
| 23:43.26 | Gattakhan | It also doesn't have those corner frames and and border light-up effect when the button is pressed. |
| 23:44.05 | Gattakhan | The upgrade in regards to how its affecting my units is perfect though, so I'm happy about that for being an upgrade from scratch. |
| 23:45.51 | anarch | hm.. |
| 23:45.57 | anarch | looks right i believe... |
| 23:46.04 | anarch | Show- |
| 23:46.07 | anarch | Not- |
| 23:46.18 | anarch | Count upgrade (your upgrade) Queued or better |
| 23:46.44 | anarch | so that would be true, only when your upgrade is not queued or completed |
| 23:46.52 | anarch | which exactly when you would want the upgrade button to show. |
| 23:48.53 | Gattakhan | I just want it to function like any other upgrade like stimpack, ling speed, blink, etc. It sits in your tech structure, you click it, it disappears and queues up, and applies the upgrade. |
| 23:49.54 | anarch | yes exactly. |
| 23:50.13 | anarch | i think i may know the problem |
| 23:50.26 | Gattakhan | It also needs to look the part too,it has to have the border the icons share and also light up when pushed. |
| 23:50.38 | anarch | 1 thing at a time. |
| 23:50.44 | anarch | so what structure is this upgrade in? |
| 23:51.25 | Gattakhan | I'm not breaking any new ground here, just trying to create an upgrade that would function in a game like everything else does. |
| 23:51.41 | Gattakhan | Currently Infestation Pit. |
| 23:51.50 | anarch | no problem, i think i can help. it sounds like you have created the requirement, using the correct setup, yes? |
| 23:52.03 | anarch | mind telling me the name of the requirement, just for clarity as i explain this |
| 23:52.05 | Gattakhan | It appears to look correct |
| 23:54.53 | anarch | what you will need to do, go to the units tab, and go to the infestation pit. easiest way is via the search bar |
| 23:55.11 | anarch | click on the icon for the upgrade, and click view to go to the upgrade ability... |
| 23:55.56 | anarch | there should be a list here, which contains an entry for each of the buttons that were back on the command card of the unit. double click the one for your upgrade |
| 23:56.05 | anarch | in the information here, you will find the requirement field. |
| 23:56.12 | anarch | make sure to add the requireemtn you previously created |
| 23:56.32 | anarch | this will tell the thing to display this ability/button when that requiremt is fufilled |
| 23:58.08 | Gattakhan | This is what it looks like atm, I laid it out so you can see everything.http://i.imgur.com/xXvJdN6.jpg |
