| 00:00.51 | anarch | for example, i want to apply a behavior when it goes in to siege mode |
| 00:00.59 | anarch | the behavior i will set up to only last a few seconds, which i know how to do |
| 00:01.10 | anarch | but how to add effects to the morph ability is the question... |
| 00:02.27 | Zolden | anarch i haven't used morph much to remember, but it may help if you check wiki on mapster |
| 00:02.34 | Zolden | it usually help me |
| 00:02.48 | anarch | an idea i hadm, which i will experiment with, was that perhaps i can add a second ability to the button... |
| 00:03.06 | anarch | so it triggers the morph ability, and an ability with just a set-behavior effect |
| 00:03.14 | anarch | i am pretty sure buttons can have multiple abilities |
| 00:06.01 | anarch | hm... |
| 00:06.12 | anarch | but is there a behavior to alter the turret rotation speed... |
| 00:09.29 | Zolden | turret rotation speed is defined somwhere in turret related actors |
| 00:09.40 | anarch | yep i adjusted but |
| 00:09.51 | Zolden | check "turrets" data bookmark |
| 00:09.52 | anarch | what i mean is, can i apply a behavior to a unit which temporarily effects it |
| 00:10.02 | anarch | im not seeing this in the behavior |
| 00:10.03 | Zolden | don't think so |
| 00:10.07 | anarch | aw = |
| 00:10.08 | anarch | =( |
| 00:10.20 | Zolden | try on forum, I don't know everything |
| 00:10.35 | Zolden | they can suggest an optimal workaround |
| 00:11.20 | DeadZergling | isn't there a whole tutorial or two on turrets? |
| 00:12.25 | Zolden | anarch maybe you can switch weapons with a behavior, and weapon will have another turret |
| 00:13.11 | anarch | thats a good idea |
| 00:33.52 | ArcanePariah | So I'm minorly late to this conversation, but... anarch, what you will want to do is apply a behavior the disables the the current weapon, and place a different weapon (identical to the first but just different name) using a different turret. See Buff -> Weapons |
| 00:43.56 | DeadZergling | Alternately, you can just have the weapon attached entirely to the behavior only. |
| 00:44.12 | DeadZergling | no behavior, no weapon, no ugly greyed out weapons that way as well |
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| 00:55.35 | anarch | thank you for the ideas, i will test this |
| 00:59.39 | DeadZergling | either would work btw, anarch , is just a preference thing, lol |
| 01:07.24 | anarch | what do you mean exactly when you say weapon attached entirely to the behavior? |
| 01:08.27 | draktok | i think he means the behavior controls the entirity of the weapon as opposed to an effect attached that does '12 damage ' or something, but of course, i missed the whole convo, so idk :) |
| 01:10.00 | anarch | hows the game coming along, draktok |
| 01:10.05 | draktok | really good |
| 01:10.10 | anarch | cool :) |
| 01:10.14 | Bounty | DeadZergling, when you said 2-4k for the Kickstarter goal, were you assuming I was going to use the Binding of Isaac + Smash TV concept? |
| 01:10.19 | draktok | it's totally playable now, except the published verison, is broken if you select all pick |
| 01:10.40 | draktok | but that's a result of me modifying the trigger for selection to create a better version |
| 01:10.45 | draktok | i haven't quite figured it out |
| 01:10.49 | draktok | but the 'random' button works good |
| 01:11.00 | draktok | the map will easily be complete to launch with the patch :) |
| 01:11.14 | DeadZergling | I was assuming that, and dwindling interest in SC2 |
| 01:11.32 | draktok | it's totally playable now - Bounty maybe a better time to kickstart a game would be LOTV launch ? :) |
| 01:11.59 | Bounty | I would love to wait draktok but I can't lol |
| 01:12.03 | draktok | side note I pissed off all my friends for making them play Haunted Forest Bounty |
| 01:12.21 | draktok | You'll be happy to know they won't kickstart you cause they hate you for making a scary game on sc2 |
| 01:12.21 | Bounty | I am going to have a rough alpha version playable when I launch |
| 01:12.29 | Bounty | so people can get a rough idea of it |
| 01:12.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:12.48 | draktok | (jk, kinda) |
| 01:12.53 | Bounty | I love how every genre I get into people think its amazing |
| 01:13.00 | DeadZergling | but 2-4k with stretch goals is better than 8k, at least you will get some money if you hit 4k then |
| 01:13.11 | Bounty | Agreed DeadZergling |
| 01:13.19 | draktok | if you get donated like 3k, of coursey ou could finish it out with 1k to ensure you're somewhat supported |
| 01:13.22 | Bounty | I was doing some thinking about it and I think you're right |
| 01:13.38 | Bounty | What is going to take the most time is creating like 500-1000 items |
| 01:13.43 | Bounty | and missions |
| 01:13.54 | draktok | yeah |
| 01:14.02 | draktok | i make easy items like "+12 damage" and even that takes me a while |
| 01:14.19 | Bounty | then, I have to code how that item will affect each class |
| 01:14.25 | draktok | I can't imagine if you were trying ot attach a new actor to each item to make them have their own cool model and attack animations and stuff (btw, are you going to do that?) |
| 01:14.28 | anarch | theres no way to make our maps/mods connect/interact with a server, is there? like visiting php pages so we can record statistics etc? |
| 01:14.31 | Bounty | whooooooooooooooole lotta trigger switches in my future |
| 01:14.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:14.43 | draktok | anarch - no |
| 01:14.45 | draktok | not currently |
| 01:14.51 | draktok | That's a battle with blizzard to have server side bank files |
| 01:15.02 | draktok | you can only have client side bank files currently |
| 01:15.05 | Bounty | ATM I'm trying to come up with a way to randomly generate terrain |
| 01:15.08 | Bounty | texture wise |
| 01:15.15 | anarch | impossible to make a secure system with client-side saving |
| 01:15.17 | draktok | That's possible in sc2? |
| 01:15.27 | draktok | Yes, Anarch, I agree - go argue with drsuper good about it |
| 01:15.27 | Bounty | Its not supported Draktok |
| 01:15.38 | Bounty | Assuming you were responding to what I just said |
| 01:15.41 | Bounty | about textures |
| 01:15.42 | draktok | He'll give you 20 reasons why it's a bad idea while somehow still supporting client side - and yes bounty |
| 01:15.58 | Bounty | Yeah there is no support for it |
| 01:16.04 | Bounty | but I think it can be done |
| 01:16.05 | draktok | Wack. |
| 01:16.10 | draktok | Well, i'll be interested to see how i guess |
| 01:16.25 | draktok | well, hey, do you want true random |
| 01:16.28 | draktok | or random from a set? |
| 01:16.35 | draktok | cause random from a number of presets is possible right? |
| 01:16.38 | draktok | it's gotta be |
| 01:16.50 | Bounty | pref true random if it can maintain a good aesthetic |
| 01:17.06 | Bounty | no, you can't paint terrain textures in game |
| 01:17.21 | Bounty | BUT |
| 01:17.25 | draktok | Meh, worst case though, you could do the psuedo randomness of preset stuff, hell i'd consider loading a hundred presets into a mod and dependency that sucker |
| 01:17.29 | Bounty | I am trying something right now to see how it works |
| 01:17.49 | draktok | to keep file size down |
| 01:17.57 | draktok | hey are you nearing your max file limit bounty? |
| 01:18.39 | Bounty | Nah I always put the assets in a mod |
| 01:18.46 | Bounty | Oh you mean my account? |
| 01:18.47 | draktok | Ah |
| 01:19.04 | draktok | I'm using so many assets in my map that are apart of a couple mods from renee, that my map (near completion) is like 450kb LOL |
| 01:19.11 | draktok | well , yeah that too i guess |
| 01:19.22 | Bounty | 153/157 used lol |
| 01:19.23 | Bounty | oh boy |
| 01:19.26 | draktok | fuckin wack |
| 01:19.45 | draktok | i don't get why blizzard decided to do this arcade so many steps backwards from wc3 |
| 01:19.45 | Bounty | I have shit uploaded that I don't use though |
| 01:20.05 | draktok | it just seems to do nothing but hurt content creators |
| 01:20.34 | DeadZergling | 30 $ KS, if I reach my goal I will have enough space to publish, lol |
| 01:21.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:22.51 | draktok | i mean, i get a max, fine, w/e |
| 01:23.03 | draktok | but they should allow you to email support and if they see you only publish legit things, raise your limit |
| 01:23.15 | draktok | to just impose this fake limit is asinine |
| 01:25.21 | Bounty | well, this method I was going to try does not seem to be working |
| 01:25.29 | Bounty | Was going to try using decals |
| 01:25.34 | Bounty | that use terrain textures |
| 01:29.15 | Bounty | Meh, I guess I can just randomize whats in the rooms lol |
| 01:29.23 | Bounty | and keep the ground textures the same |
| 01:32.55 | DeadZergling | maybe, you could really wow everyone if you managed lasting blood splatter effects :) |
| 01:33.15 | Bounty | I already had intentions of doing that |
| 01:33.24 | Bounty | I did it in GvT lol |
| 01:34.57 | DeadZergling | I think you should go all out about the textures |
| 01:35.07 | DeadZergling | that was your main complaint about Death TV, no? |
| 01:35.19 | Bounty | No |
| 01:35.40 | Bounty | My main complaint with Death TV was the rooms look meh and the same |
| 01:35.47 | Bounty | I'm going to have the rooms look diff |
| 01:35.54 | Bounty | just not dynamically generated ground textures |
| 01:36.27 | Bounty | The replayability will come from randomly generated quests and items |
| 01:36.42 | Bounty | and encounters of course |
| 01:38.17 | DeadZergling | well of course they look the same, the entire game occurs in 3 rooms total |
| 01:39.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:41.27 | DeadZergling | debating what would help it more, making the arenas look different somehow, few additional monsters, or the cheesy intro stuff |
| 01:42.58 | DeadZergling | I'm also finding I am the worst person to decide if the game is hard enough or too hard, lol |
| 01:43.01 | DeadZergling | I play too well |
| 01:46.02 | draktok | i play bad |
| 01:46.04 | draktok | i can decide for you |
| 01:46.22 | draktok | death tv; just right, but not really fun to play over when i die late in the game - the end |
| 01:46.33 | draktok | there i am now a journalist for rockpapershotgun |
| 01:47.21 | Zolden | wow |
| 01:47.39 | Zolden | I don't know how it work, but my game exploded on google play |
| 01:48.08 | draktok | yes i am |
| 01:48.09 | draktok | which game though |
| 01:48.58 | Zolden | 7K installs during 6 months, 5K installs during 2 days |
| 01:50.18 | draktok | what game is it? if in english |
| 01:51.34 | Zolden | do you have android device? |
| 01:52.02 | DeadZergling | No surprise, posting under the old name is getting more plays already Bounty , lol |
| 01:52.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:52.24 | DeadZergling | which isn't saying much |
| 01:52.26 | draktok | yes zolden |
| 01:52.37 | Zolden | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Zolden.hallo_spaceboy_lite |
| 01:52.42 | draktok | Zolden I manage the smart devices my company uses - name a smart device, i touch it |
| 01:53.04 | Zolden | draktok tits |
| 01:53.06 | Zolden | touch it |
| 01:53.13 | draktok | those are nice tits |
| 01:53.14 | draktok | i want to |
| 01:54.05 | draktok | look like a fun game, i like the arbiter model |
| 01:54.19 | Zolden | there are 5 models from sc1 |
| 01:54.22 | DeadZergling | why does the guy wear lipstick? |
| 01:54.24 | draktok | looks like it |
| 01:54.30 | draktok | i see shuttle, arbiter, valk, wraith? |
| 01:54.46 | draktok | i dont' see the 5th |
| 01:55.06 | Zolden | DeadZergling he's a fabulous old school sci-fi guy |
| 01:55.25 | DeadZergling | why do fabulous old school sci-fi guys wear lipstick? |
| 01:55.30 | Zolden | don't remember, what's 5th |
| 01:55.59 | Zolden | DeadZergling check that old dune movie, u'll see, that baron harkonnen was very gay |
| 01:56.05 | Zolden | banged sting |
| 01:56.21 | draktok | damn i loved sting in that movie |
| 01:56.24 | draktok | I loved that movie in general |
| 01:56.26 | Zolden | isn't it a reason to put some lipstick on face? |
| 01:56.39 | draktok | yes |
| 01:56.45 | draktok | i'd put lipstick on baron harkonnen |
| 01:56.52 | draktok | did yall ever play dune 2000? |
| 01:56.57 | Zolden | yea, that movie... need to rewatch it |
| 01:57.22 | Zolden | I played dune, dune 2, dune 2k, all c&c series |
| 01:57.34 | Zolden | c&c evolved from dune 2 |
| 01:57.37 | DeadZergling | Dune was okay, I was much dissapointed seeing it after I played Dune 2, lol |
| 01:58.25 | Zolden | DeadZergling yea, but after compliting it, i was rather satisfied, different genre, yes, but pretty nice game inside a pretty nice book's world |
| 01:58.56 | Zolden | warcraft 1 was what I needed after dune 2 |
| 01:59.23 | DeadZergling | I liked that way of RTS back then, but CC and after, not so impressed |
| 01:59.52 | DeadZergling | the only feature I will always love is the ability to run over infantry |
| 02:00.13 | Zolden | it was in dune 2 already |
| 02:00.21 | DeadZergling | i know |
| 02:01.02 | draktok | dune 2k and tiberian sun |
| 02:01.06 | draktok | those were my favorite c&c games. |
| 02:01.26 | Zolden | oh yea, tiberian sun was a cool thing |
| 02:01.31 | draktok | tiberian sun man i miss a good game like that, i consider getting a nod tattoo at one point |
| 02:01.36 | Zolden | pretty evolution of c&c engine |
| 02:01.41 | draktok | still do sometimes, but then i realize tattoos are dumb |
| 02:01.45 | Zolden | lol |
| 02:02.42 | Zolden | draktok have you tried rise of nations series? it was completely different RTS branch, based on age of empires, with a heavy affection of civilization |
| 02:03.24 | draktok | thats one i haven't ever played, i play the age of empires, mythology, even the battlefront starwars version, the C&C games, warhammer, blizzard games, but i never play rise of nations |
| 02:03.48 | Zolden | oh maan, that was a masterpiece |
| 02:03.49 | draktok | i saw it on steam, but idk if it aged well enough to try, do u think i should? |
| 02:04.09 | draktok | http://store.steampowered.com/app/287450/ |
| 02:04.12 | Zolden | it was and still is much more interesting for online games, than any of blizzard rts |
| 02:04.33 | draktok | i played a sc2 mod of it |
| 02:04.35 | draktok | and a wc3 mod of it |
| 02:04.36 | Zolden | then there was the glorious and forgotten Rise of Legends, just a god-like RTS |
| 02:04.43 | draktok | or , at leasth, the mod claimed to be rise of nations inspired |
| 02:04.49 | draktok | of course, i'm sure they were no where close |
| 02:04.52 | Zolden | microsoft as a publisher destroyed that game |
| 02:05.14 | draktok | classic microsoft |
| 02:05.15 | draktok | those kidders. |
| 02:05.24 | Zolden | it has inherited most of funnniest RoN mechanics |
| 02:05.33 | draktok | http://store.steampowered.com/app/271240/ i am currently playing this rts |
| 02:05.35 | Zolden | like capping income |
| 02:06.00 | Zolden | looks like indie |
| 02:06.03 | Zolden | never tried |
| 02:06.27 | draktok | its pretty indie |
| 02:06.33 | draktok | not much combat, outside of fuck with their eco |
| 02:07.01 | draktok | its the game u get moneyand buy the other players company by micro managing the market, and you can fuckwith them with emp guns, or if you raise the price for oxygen a bunch and they can't afford it, you can cause their civ to die out, stuff like that |
| 02:07.51 | Zolden | wow, very fun |
| 02:08.23 | Zolden | sad, the only gaming time I have, I spend completely on balancing my map |
| 02:09.56 | draktok | i can't, i will die if i do |
| 02:10.30 | draktok | i will buy it for you next pay check if you wanna play |
| 02:11.27 | Zolden | lol, I want alot, but don't have time for everything |
| 02:11.50 | Zolden | hitler wanted to get naked and fly on a baloon |
| 02:12.53 | draktok | that is a smart thing to do |
| 02:12.57 | draktok | he should do that instead of suicide |
| 02:13.00 | draktok | maybe would have lived |
| 02:13.57 | Zolden | or at least suicide by naked baloon flying |
| 02:14.45 | draktok | much better for teaching our children |
| 02:20.25 | Zolden | wow, so late, got to go sleep |
| 02:36.56 | anarch | draktok: |
| 02:37.02 | draktok | yes |
| 02:37.16 | anarch | do you know a way to apply a cooldown to the units weapon? like through an effect? |
| 02:37.29 | anarch | so when the unit is hit by the effect, theyt cannot attack for a few seconds |
| 02:37.47 | anarch | however, i think if i disable the weapon completely, then it will not target/use it's turret to track |
| 02:38.00 | anarch | so the weapon shoul be enabled, and it should be able to target |
| 02:46.44 | draktok | could you use the behavior that hits the unit to increase their period of attack to be so high it would essentially 'disable' their attack for the time being? |
| 02:46.56 | draktok | i'm not sure if you can flat out create a cool down, but attack speed in essense, is a cool down. |
| 02:47.00 | draktok | @ anarch |
| 02:47.38 | draktok | for example a unit with a period 2.0 attack speed attacks once every 2 seconds, the effect could increase their attack speed by 100 for ... 3 seconds, or w/e |
| 02:48.48 | anarch | the problem i think might occur with that is the first shot would be uneffected |
| 02:49.41 | draktok | it wouldn't affect a shot in motion |
| 02:49.52 | draktok | or an actor already committed the the attack |
| 02:50.32 | anarch | well i mean |
| 02:50.37 | anarch | even if i set the attack period to 100 |
| 02:50.38 | draktok | otherwise, you could see if you could remove said weapon from unit via trigger for X seconds - when unit uses 'x ability', remove weapon from 'y' , "wait 3 seconds", 'apply weapon to y' |
| 02:50.45 | draktok | i don't know if that's possible, but you could always test |
| 02:50.57 | anarch | the attack period wont apply until after the attack launches once |
| 02:51.08 | draktok | i'm shooting off ideas i don't have the editor open atm but in my head these ideas sound nice =) |
| 02:51.09 | anarch | hm |
| 02:51.11 | anarch | i have an idea |
| 02:51.18 | anarch | yep : |
| 02:51.19 | anarch | :D |
| 02:51.25 | draktok | yay |
| 03:39.42 | DeadZergling | anarch, I'm not sure how to do it via data, but it is really easy to add cooldown via triggers |
| 03:39.48 | DeadZergling | may be worth looking into |
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| 06:20.58 | Bounty | You know what you should learn next DeadZergling |
| 06:21.02 | Bounty | Animations |
| 06:21.13 | Bounty | So you can create your own animations for Blizzard models |
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| 06:25.18 | DeadZergling | maybe, I'd still feel better about learning animations more if I learned more about bones/skins first |
| 06:26.49 | Bounty | Ah :( |
| 06:27.00 | Bounty | I want an animator lol |
| 06:28.09 | DeadZergling | yea, but who is to say I'd be free? lol |
| 06:28.19 | Bounty | true |
| 06:28.40 | DeadZergling | would be a good way to motivate me though :) |
| 06:33.54 | Bounty | I wonder what engine this game was made in http://store.steampowered.com/app/270450/ |
| 06:35.26 | Bounty | but yeah if you can do animations DeadZergling.... we could actually work together haha |
| 06:35.54 | DeadZergling | well I can models move around, I'm not aware how to export those m3a files yet though, lol |
| 06:36.05 | DeadZergling | *make models |
| 06:36.33 | Bounty | Star Tools? |
| 06:37.06 | DeadZergling | maybe, might be doable now that I can remote into my machine, but not gonna claim I can at this time, lol |
| 06:37.55 | Bounty | The new War 3 models have little to no animations |
| 06:38.12 | Bounty | I think I could make that a stretch goal |
| 06:38.17 | Bounty | money to hire an animator |
| 06:40.33 | DeadZergling | certainly be motivation for me, but chances are good twodie/zolden would want in on that too, lol |
| 06:40.56 | Bounty | Twodie does animations? Had no idea he was a modeler lol |
| 06:41.09 | Bounty | Thought it was just Delphinium and Zolden |
| 06:41.21 | DeadZergling | apparently, but he mostly talks about never doing shit, lol |
| 06:41.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:42.12 | Bounty | well, if it goes down... whoever I hire is going to have to trust me because I am not paying anyone anything until something gets done |
| 06:42.18 | Bounty | to risky |
| 06:42.36 | DeadZergling | well you know me, I still refuse to give up on that RPG, lol |
| 06:42.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:43.03 | Bounty | Is that thing ever going to be shown or come out? |
| 06:43.25 | DeadZergling | of course, is just certain things that need to be done, things that I don't find fun |
| 06:43.34 | DeadZergling | I keep avoiding it by working on Death TV, lol |
| 06:44.40 | Bounty | How is Death TV going now that you renamed it? |
| 06:44.43 | Bounty | how many reviews? |
| 06:46.08 | DeadZergling | lol, no new ones yet |
| 06:46.19 | DeadZergling | but i should see a little more now that it has the right name |
| 06:46.30 | DeadZergling | more plays than Death TV is literally any at this point |
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| 07:01.04 | DeadZergling | but at this point I just want some people to play it, RTC is over, so I don't care about CR shit |
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| 07:07.31 | DeadZergling | hi duckies, you caused me issues :P |
| 07:08.01 | duckies | hey dz, glad to be of help! |
| 07:08.15 | DeadZergling | yea, now that the assets are in a mod |
| 07:08.25 | DeadZergling | it makes me re-add the dependency every publish I ever do |
| 07:08.51 | duckies | do you have mod in both b-net and your sc2 mod folder? |
| 07:09.16 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 07:09.30 | duckies | cause i'm pretty sure mod is supposed to be do once and forget kinda thing |
| 07:09.52 | DeadZergling | yea, it keeps complaining about the header |
| 07:10.44 | duckies | what does it say? |
| 07:11.20 | DeadZergling | second, ill save what im working on and get the exact message |
| 07:12.39 | DeadZergling | Document dependency header file is not available: DeathTVAssetMod 1.2 |
| 07:14.26 | duckies | have you tried downloading it from b-net to check if it's freely available to dl? |
| 07:14.45 | DeadZergling | option is greyed out i think because I already did? |
| 07:15.21 | duckies | it says 100% somewhere, right? |
| 07:15.24 | duckies | hmm |
| 07:15.40 | DeadZergling | correct |
| 07:15.51 | duckies | I'd suggest you to do a bunch of experiments with renaming, but |
| 07:16.12 | duckies | i think it's for the best we let arcanepariah handle this when he gets on |
| 07:16.27 | duckies | he's a one-man stop to solve all and any editor issues :D |
| 07:16.39 | DeadZergling | jade might know too |
| 07:16.44 | duckies | depends on others like a cool duck he is |
| 07:16.48 | DeadZergling | but yea, I can make it work, but it is annoying as hell |
| 07:17.15 | DeadZergling | anyways, I posted one with the CR name too since the big stuff is in the mod now, lol |
| 07:17.19 | DeadZergling | Smash TV: Total Carnage |
| 07:18.14 | duckies | recognizability - always nice |
| 07:18.29 | DeadZergling | I just want someone to play the silly thing with all the work put in |
| 07:18.37 | DeadZergling | doesn't have to meet RTC shit now |
| 07:19.25 | duckies | ^ |
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| 12:48.23 | Zolden | Goa_ strange thing happened, my shmup game had 7K downloads during half a year, and then suddeny 5K more during 2 days |
| 12:48.36 | Zolden | and I have no idea why |
| 12:57.21 | Goa_ | maybe: https://searchman.com/android/app/jp/com.Zolden.hallo_spaceboy_lite/ja/zolden/hallo-spaceboy-lite/ |
| 12:58.08 | Goa_ | google droped it out: https://www.google.hu/search?num=20&biw=1920&bih=975&tbs=qdr%3Aw&q=%22Hallo+spaceboy%22+android&oq=%22Hallo+spaceboy%22+android&gs_l=serp.3..33i21.36199.37794.0.37952.8.8.0.0.0.0.180.488.0j3.3.0.msedr...0...1c.1.62.serp..5.3.487.FMvPfrtgWDg |
| 12:58.47 | Goa_ | its top in Customers Also Bought |
| 12:59.21 | Zolden | there's alot of those strange sites who reference google play, but they have always been |
| 12:59.52 | Goa_ | do you linked it with app anime? |
| 13:00.12 | Zolden | app anime? |
| 13:00.25 | Zolden | no, I guess |
| 13:00.38 | Goa_ | I mean appannie |
| 13:00.49 | Zolden | dunno waht it is |
| 13:01.05 | Zolden | this strange explosion only brought me one more payed version dl |
| 13:03.10 | Goa_ | it shows your app is trending in Vietnam |
| 13:03.45 | Zolden | best dl are from brazil, usa and indinesia, it's what google play statistics say |
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| 13:05.41 | Goa_ | btw currently I am adding facebook, twitter share, android leaderboard and other shit to my flappy egg game to test them out |
| 13:05.46 | Goa_ | with the shit I bought:D |
| 13:06.00 | Zolden | cool |
| 13:06.12 | Zolden | it should automarket good stuff |
| 13:06.55 | Zolden | but your flappy egg is too complex to not ragequit |
| 13:07.12 | Goa_ | too complex? rofl |
| 13:07.17 | Zolden | so yea, only to test them out |
| 13:07.31 | Zolden | i mean, too hard to play |
| 13:07.50 | Goa_ | also my logic game will have endless levels mode:D |
| 13:08.08 | Goa_ | in 2d layout where you can explore levels... |
| 13:08.34 | Zolden | interesting |
| 13:08.39 | Goa_ | And I came up with new great scifi book idea |
| 13:08.39 | Zolden | how fun is gameplay? |
| 13:08.46 | Goa_ | its good |
| 13:08.59 | Goa_ | its fast and simple |
| 13:08.59 | Zolden | do you plan actually right that book? |
| 13:09.07 | Goa_ | or at least I made the 50 levels so |
| 13:09.23 | Goa_ | I want to write it |
| 13:09.33 | Goa_ | It may happen someday.D |
| 13:09.41 | Zolden | i have a sci-fi book idea too, and want to write it as well |
| 13:09.48 | Zolden | it may happen someday |
| 13:09.52 | Goa_ | good, very dark hard scifi |
| 13:10.04 | Zolden | like nigger dick? |
| 13:10.18 | Goa_ | not exactly like that, but yeah |
| 13:10.41 | Goa_ | also permutation city is really good |
| 13:10.45 | Goa_ | at least its 2nd half |
| 13:11.01 | Goa_ | some very deep stuff |
| 13:11.34 | Zolden | onr day i'll read it, i guess |
| 13:12.08 | Zolden | i recently wrote a short story about alien invasion, a guy got to their ship, and they fed him with their shit, and fucked him |
| 13:13.34 | Goa_ | :D |
| 13:14.26 | Goa_ | sounds like only Hitler missing from the story.D |
| 13:15.25 | Goa_ | there are lots of old scifi here: https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Science_Fiction_%28Bookshelf%29 |
| 13:15.44 | Zolden | well, there was a guy who hated niggers, and hated aliens, because he thought they came from a black hole, and therefore they are niggers |
| 13:16.08 | Zolden | all english ;/ |
| 13:16.11 | Zolden | i suck at english |
| 13:18.30 | Goa_ | pfff |
| 13:18.38 | Goa_ | I read everything in english |
| 13:18.53 | Zolden | so hitler |
| 13:19.16 | Goa_ | and I want to write the book in English too. (I would ofcourse need to learn some+ about writing books....) |
| 13:19.23 | anarch | good morning |
| 13:20.31 | A1win | You learn about writing books by writing books. |
| 13:20.39 | Zolden | writing one is a good part of learning how to do it |
| 13:21.02 | A1win | The hardest part is to get yourself to write something that long and not give up in the middle. |
| 13:21.02 | Zolden | anarch noob morning |
| 13:21.12 | anarch | =( |
| 13:23.49 | Zolden | A1win philip dick used to solve this issue with amphetamine |
| 13:24.15 | Goa_ | philip dick sucks |
| 13:24.20 | Goa_ | :D |
| 13:24.48 | Zolden | actually, he usually have been thinking the book through for a few months, and then rapidly write it even without meth |
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| 17:22.37 | Zolden | feels like I want to play WoL campaign ;/ |
| 17:23.33 | Goa_ | I want to play Homeworld remastered! |
| 17:24.46 | Zolden | homoworld? |
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| 18:31.53 | pirate | quiet today |
| 18:34.38 | JademusSreg | plays a lick on a banjo. |
| 18:57.44 | Zolden | watches carrions eating dead horse |
| 19:05.33 | pirate | america vs. ukraine. A visual journey |
| 19:38.55 | ArcanePariah | Morning |
| 19:39.09 | ArcanePariah | organizes video collection |
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| 20:09.25 | anarch | morning arcane |
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| 20:15.23 | DeadZergling | well 3 new monster imported duckies, all of them refusing to work right, lol |
| 20:16.09 | duckies | punish them with no mercy, make them seat on peas! |
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| 20:40.15 | DeadZergling | well Dustin_Hendricks , success porting the new monsters in, now if only they did a thing I wanted them to, lol |
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| 21:21.03 | DeadZergling | so have your plan finalized yet Bounty ? |
| 21:29.59 | Bounty | Almost |
| 21:30.22 | Bounty | Just need to decide what classes I will be making for the alpha |
| 21:37.48 | DeadZergling | classes huh, thought you were doing more of an all about the items thing now |
| 21:40.38 | Bounty | I am, as a replacement to leveling |
| 21:42.52 | DeadZergling | so where is death's sting? lose all items? |
| 21:45.11 | Triceron | Whatchya plannin to make Bounty? |
| 21:45.39 | Bounty | a binding of isaac and smash tv hybrid set in the Warcraft Universe |
| 21:45.42 | Bounty | and yes DeadZergling |
| 21:45.47 | Triceron | oh nice |
| 21:45.57 | Triceron | roguelikes are my fave |
| 21:46.22 | Triceron | though I guess Smash TV wasn't very randomized |
| 21:46.37 | Bounty | It'll be roguelike in the sense that when you die, you lose everything |
| 21:46.55 | Triceron | what you have planned so far for it? |
| 21:46.55 | Bounty | You'll have a set amount of lives like in Smash TV though |
| 21:47.20 | Bounty | Going to have randomized encounters and objectives |
| 21:47.35 | Bounty | and items that any class can use |
| 21:48.15 | Bounty | I can't really randomize the map layout without sacrificing aesthetics so I am randomizing other things |
| 21:48.31 | Triceron | hmm, sounds a lot like something I was thinking about for a while |
| 21:51.10 | Triceron | whatever direction you go in, I hope theres blood |
| 21:51.22 | Bounty | Oh there will be blood |
| 21:51.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.26 | Triceron | it's the one thing I miss from Heroes of the Storm |
| 21:51.55 | Triceron | no blood, no corpses |
| 21:52.46 | Bounty | I always have blood when applicable lol |
| 21:53.23 | Triceron | you gonna be using WoW models or the War3 stuff added in the PTR? |
| 21:53.31 | Bounty | War 3 |
| 21:53.35 | Triceron | ahh |
| 21:53.38 | Bounty | + heroes of the storm ground textures |
| 21:54.05 | Triceron | what kind of playable heroes are you thinking about |
| 21:54.08 | DeadZergling | Smash TV could have easily been randomized more, although rogue likes aren't all that great in a lot of ways. |
| 21:54.10 | Bounty | The game is going to be Kickstarted once I get it to a point that people can play it and see if its worth their money |
| 21:54.22 | Bounty | Pretty much every hero you can think of outside of undead |
| 21:54.28 | Triceron | cuz warcraft has a lot of melee, and both binding and smash TV are ranged-based |
| 21:54.45 | Bounty | Of course, this will have melee :) |
| 21:55.08 | DeadZergling | handle melee something like nuclear throne |
| 21:55.14 | DeadZergling | that makes it a lot funner |
| 21:55.21 | Triceron | oooh, swappable melee weapons |
| 21:55.28 | Triceron | that would be great |
| 21:55.38 | Triceron | longer range, higher damge, swing speed modifiers |
| 21:55.46 | Bounty | There will really only be 1 weapon per class |
| 21:55.52 | Bounty | but the items will be modifiers (like binding of isaac) |
| 21:56.00 | DeadZergling | *watches Triceron's balloon deflate* |
| 21:56.21 | Triceron | well makes sense if you're gonna have items that work for all classes |
| 21:56.27 | Triceron | a ranger with a giant hammer wouldn't really work |
| 21:56.37 | Bounty | lol yeah |
| 21:56.38 | DeadZergling | it would if it was done well enough, lol |
| 21:56.42 | Triceron | haha |
| 21:57.00 | Bounty | Going to be hard to come up with lots of items that can work for the mall |
| 21:57.02 | Bounty | them all* |
| 21:57.17 | Triceron | I'd thought about that myself, but you'd have to make every upgrade class-specific and that gets really confusing for the player to learn |
| 21:57.18 | Bounty | I say that now though, I'm sure once I get on a roll I should be g ood |
| 21:57.18 | DeadZergling | for example, zelda, twilight princess. Follows no story from the others, does its own thing, but it does it so well, it doesn't even matter |
| 21:58.15 | DeadZergling | so if you want ranger to = kick everyone's ass LoTR style, or be a dual wielder of Uzis |
| 21:58.23 | DeadZergling | if you do it well enough, it can work :) |
| 21:59.22 | Bounty | Well thats why I am going to try to Kickstart it DeadZergling |
| 21:59.30 | Bounty | Its going to be a lot of work lol |
| 21:59.31 | DeadZergling | i hate it when shit fails and it isn't even remotely clear why |
| 21:59.54 | Triceron | well lemme know if you ever need a modeller. I'd love to work on a Warcraft roguelike |
| 22:00.13 | Bounty | I do actually |
| 22:00.32 | Bounty | but it depends on how much you charge per model or just for animations |
| 22:00.40 | DeadZergling | remember how I said no point in learning too much yesterday Bounty , there you go with why, lol |
| 22:00.48 | Bounty | bc keeping the KS goal low is going to be important lol |
| 22:01.06 | Bounty | He could be expensive as fuck DeadZergling =P |
| 22:01.48 | Bounty | last time I tried this, the modelers were asking for like triple what I was getting |
| 22:01.49 | Triceron | tbh I wouldn't mind if it was just a cut |
| 22:02.18 | Bounty | I really just need animations Triceron |
| 22:02.28 | Bounty | the new war 3 models are great but they have like no animations |
| 22:03.25 | Bounty | DeadZergling's suggestion was to aim for about 3-4k as the goal and have stretch goals for stuff like modelers and a website |
| 22:03.38 | Triceron | yeah, they are pretty limited by war3 standards |
| 22:04.09 | Bounty | Do you have any limitation on your animations skills or can you pretty much do anything? |
| 22:04.22 | Bounty | Would need some god of war level animations lol |
| 22:04.36 | Bounty | Esp for melee (Blademaster etc) |
| 22:05.18 | Triceron | I can animate, though to do the war3 stuff is a lot of backwards engineering. There's always work arounds, but it's almost easier to just use WoW animations for that in that case |
| 22:06.03 | Triceron | unless you just have a specific number of animations to add |
| 22:06.34 | Bounty | Well, for standard attacks I think there should be at least 7-8 variations |
| 22:06.46 | Bounty | so if your spam attacking, it doesn't look the same |
| 22:07.28 | Bounty | What I usually do for melee combat is progressive animations |
| 22:07.38 | Bounty | first click plays X, second plays Y etc |
| 22:07.45 | Triceron | are you planning to have animations split up and combinable? |
| 22:07.49 | Triceron | ie walking while attacking |
| 22:08.03 | Bounty | Can you even do that in SC2? |
| 22:08.17 | Triceron | it is in Heroes |
| 22:08.20 | Bounty | without having to have a totally sep animation for it |
| 22:08.32 | Triceron | but I dunno how it'd be done back in SC2, though I'm sure it's possible somehow |
| 22:08.36 | Bounty | Its probably a heroes feature then |
| 22:09.01 | Bounty | Only way I can think of in SC2 is to have seperate animations for them all... which is a pain in the ass |
| 22:09.41 | Triceron | for war3 units, yeah it'd be pretty limited |
| 22:09.43 | Bounty | I think it is at least, not sure how it works in 3DSmax |
| 22:09.59 | Triceron | their skeletons aren't really optimized for twisting torsos |
| 22:10.08 | Triceron | it's like stickmen |
| 22:10.12 | Bounty | Nah I wouldn't need anything like that |
| 22:10.23 | Bounty | Just walking + attacking would be enough IMO |
| 22:10.30 | Triceron | so they'd be 'strafing' if they walked one direction while attacked |
| 22:10.39 | Bounty | for each direction (4 way) |
| 22:11.13 | Bounty | Going to be using mouse as facing |
| 22:11.23 | Bounty | which should improve the WASD respond |
| 22:11.29 | Bounty | since eliminates 4 checks |
| 22:11.30 | Triceron | we have access to the Heroes of the Storm animations, though I have no clue how that'd be reapplied abck into SC2 |
| 22:12.13 | Triceron | so the walking/attacking stuff can be tested |
| 22:13.45 | Bounty | Well, Blizzard is going to help promote it |
| 22:13.50 | Bounty | So I can ask them |
| 22:15.19 | Bounty | but yeah I am 99% sure there is no way to play 2 animations at once in SC2 atm |
| 22:15.42 | Bounty | unless you literally cut the models in half |
| 22:15.55 | Bounty | I could send actor messages to play walk animations to their bottom half |
| 22:16.01 | Bounty | while playing attacks on the upper |
| 22:16.07 | Triceron | I think Delph has figured it out |
| 22:16.10 | Bounty | not sure how that would look though lol |
| 22:16.21 | Triceron | I'll have to pick his brain on it though |
| 22:16.32 | Triceron | he knows more about animations and .m3a's than I do |
| 22:16.43 | Bounty | Yeah, hes my modeler ATM |
| 22:16.51 | Bounty | if he still even remembers |
| 22:17.10 | Bounty | always nice to have more options though because he tends to get swamped a lot |
| 22:17.18 | Triceron | I think he did some stuff with Zeratul that has combo animations of walking and attacking |
| 22:17.43 | Triceron | he's got some great scripts for animation transfers too |
| 22:18.03 | Bounty | I'll ask him on skype about this |
| 22:18.22 | Zolden | Bounty if you plan to create a forum on reddit, this may interest you http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/2x0g9v/from_1_to_9000_communities_now_taking_steps_to/ |
| 22:19.17 | Triceron | We need a Zolden subreddit for all things Zolden |
| 22:19.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:19.42 | Zolden | Bounty actually, there's global loop anims, that play parallelly with others |
| 22:20.05 | Zolden | Triceron there would only be hitler's nude photos |
| 22:20.06 | Bounty | Could you do a walk + attack set with that Zolden? |
| 22:20.22 | Triceron | I would imagine the Turret Z could be used somehow in conjunction, though I don't know if you can limit its axis to keep from spinning backwards |
| 22:20.36 | Triceron | or just.. breaking the character |
| 22:20.41 | Zolden | Bounty ask Taylor mouse, he knows it better |
| 22:20.47 | Bounty | I can Triceron |
| 22:20.57 | Bounty | Would just require more checks in the triggers |
| 22:21.10 | Zolden | and yes, walk + attack is possible, i remember it now |
| 22:21.38 | Triceron | as long as you plan on having generally turret-able characters use this, it should be fine. No giant dragons or whatever |
| 22:22.08 | Bounty | I plan on using a lot of the models lol |
| 22:22.16 | Bounty | mmm dem pit lords |
| 22:23.10 | Zolden | Bounty weren't you the one who got that $1k mapmaking job? |
| 22:23.10 | Bounty | This game will be better then WoW if I pull it off correctly IMO =P |
| 22:23.17 | Bounty | nope |
| 22:23.23 | Bounty | someone from germany got it |
| 22:23.27 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:23.52 | Bounty | apparently, he wanted a third party program/script created |
| 22:24.00 | Bounty | which he didn't need but w/e |
| 22:24.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:25.52 | Zolden | so fucking beautiful http://i.imgur.com/WwudSfM.jpg |
| 22:27.42 | Triceron | is this real life? |
| 22:27.59 | Bounty | Good ol r/earthporn |
| 22:29.33 | Bounty | So, Triceron and Zolden, what do you guys think of a 4k KS goal with stretch goals for stuff like models/animations |
| 22:29.38 | Bounty | and more content |
| 22:30.31 | Triceron | you'd reach that no problem as long as you get the word out |
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| 22:30.51 | Zolden | Bounty depends on promotion range, the 80k of scu speak for itself |
| 22:31.14 | Bounty | Going to be mostly from Blizzard and streamers |
| 22:31.33 | Bounty | Can try to get news outlets to promote it but thats no guarantee |
| 22:32.06 | Triceron | the thing is the people who donate aren't always the people who play or necessarily care. You'll get doners who just want to see a good project succeed |
| 22:32.16 | Zolden | just ask Arcane and mille, as they have successful kickstarters, so they can tell you if something looks unrealistic |
| 22:32.18 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 22:32.33 | Triceron | so it's gonna be all about presentation |
| 22:32.37 | Bounty | Well the plan is to have a playable alpha on launch |
| 22:32.38 | Triceron | and getting word of mouth |
| 22:32.59 | Bounty | Not sure if having the alpha playable is a good idea or not though |
| 22:33.10 | Triceron | like the Warcraft Armies of Azeroth project has gotten a lot of promotion and attention off a single vid |
| 22:33.44 | Triceron | and it didn't really show much, but enough to show promise |
| 22:34.01 | Zolden | yea, 720k views already |
| 22:34.20 | Bounty | how did they get that many views? what promotional outlets? |
| 22:34.24 | Bounty | or was it pure word of mouth |
| 22:34.32 | Triceron | it trickled |
| 22:34.39 | Triceron | I first saw it on mapster |
| 22:34.44 | Triceron | but then even MMO-champ picked it up |
| 22:34.55 | Triceron | and then even Facebook World of Warcraft bumped it |
| 22:35.12 | Triceron | even though it had nothing to do with WoW |
| 22:35.18 | Bounty | I can get that |
| 22:35.38 | Bounty | I should be able to get all Blizz promotional outlets |
| 22:36.03 | Triceron | I think even Kotaku has featured it at one point |
| 22:36.12 | Bounty | Do you think having the stretch goals at the start is a good idea?? |
| 22:36.16 | Triceron | but Kotaku was what helped SCU |
| 22:36.17 | Bounty | I read somewhere that its not |
| 22:36.27 | Triceron | it trickled to other news sites after that |
| 22:36.47 | Triceron | you're gonna hit 4k super fast |
| 22:36.50 | Bounty | Well, Ryan from SCU said he would help me out with contacting news sites |
| 22:37.52 | Bounty | well I don't want to get greedy |
| 22:37.57 | Bounty | the last KS's goal was 35k lol |
| 22:38.09 | Bounty | but it included 3 games and I had a sick team |
| 22:38.21 | Triceron | did you KS it? |
| 22:38.23 | Bounty | now its pretty much just me (and possibly you and Delph) |
| 22:38.30 | Bounty | Couldn't |
| 22:38.35 | Bounty | Everyone ditched |
| 22:39.01 | Bounty | They were huuuge projects to be completed over a year |
| 22:40.40 | Bounty | I still have the KS page text though |
| 22:40.41 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfphq9nqtflqcir/KS%20Page%20Text%20%28FinalDraft%20v2.4%29.rtf?dl=0 |
| 22:41.45 | Bounty | and the awesome logo intro we had lol |
| 22:41.45 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ag5td7wv4b9upew/Deviant%20Pixel%20Final.mp4?dl=0 |
| 22:42.15 | DeadZergling | what a flattering self description |
| 22:42.22 | Bounty | I didn't write it |
| 22:42.24 | Triceron | not to be too blunt but text goes over my head. I need visuals to sell me a concept |
| 22:42.37 | Bounty | I wrote everything else except the bio's (including mine) lol |
| 22:42.55 | DeadZergling | yea, what triceron said, lol |
| 22:42.56 | Bounty | Yeah we never got to that point Triceron |
| 22:43.14 | Bounty | people just kinda vanished |
| 22:43.17 | Triceron | I really liked this one https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1460250988/darkest-dungeon-by-red-hook-studios |
| 22:43.31 | Triceron | one look at the pictures and I knew immediately what my money would be going to |
| 22:44.09 | Bounty | Yeah, thats the style of KS page I am going for |
| 22:44.35 | Bounty | Thankfully, I have been practicing creating images in GIMP |
| 22:44.46 | Bounty | so I can do the KS page design myself |
| 22:45.10 | Bounty | Ryan said he would do the video but I still want to try to learn After Effects to see if I can do it myself |
| 22:50.49 | Bounty | Personally, I am glad that last KS never saw the light of day |
| 22:51.07 | Bounty | I really didn't have any passion to make those games... they were selected based on a poll we did |
| 22:51.29 | Bounty | They would have been awesome but no fun to make for me lol |
| 22:52.16 | Triceron | where did you poll it? |
| 22:58.32 | Bounty | bnet |
| 22:58.41 | Bounty | just asked about 2-300 people |
| 22:58.54 | Bounty | to select what 3 game concepts they liked the most |
| 22:59.01 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.13 | Bounty | (This game was not on that list) |
| 23:02.54 | Triceron | I think it's better to make what you like. People don't know what they like. |
| 23:03.05 | Bounty | Agreed |
| 23:04.09 | Bounty | I personally wanted them to vote for Doodad Hunt 2 and Haunted Forest 2 lol |
| 23:04.13 | Bounty | Haunted Forest came in dead last |
| 23:04.23 | Bounty | which is ironic considering the first ones popularity |
| 23:05.24 | Bounty | but yeah, I am returning to my roots of only making games that I REALLY want to make Triceron |
| 23:05.25 | Bounty | aka this one lol |
| 23:05.32 | Bounty | Always wanted to make a pve game |
| 23:05.32 | Triceron | yeah it's different when you put stuff up on a poll |
| 23:05.50 | Triceron | people choose what sounds most pleasing rather than what actually plays well |
| 23:06.00 | Tomura | BTW just out of curiosity. How well does kickstarter work currently to fund your project? I had the assumption that the trust in Kickstarter projects is pretty low. |
| 23:06.10 | Bounty | Yeah, I mean... who wouldn't vote for Smash Bros and Mario Kart with Blizzard characters? |
| 23:06.25 | Bounty | It is Tomura |
| 23:06.35 | Bounty | which is why I immediately went to Blizz and asked if they would support me lol |
| 23:06.48 | Triceron | I guess it's to say it works as much as any other donations system |
| 23:07.13 | Triceron | Blizz isn't against donations, only incentivized donations |
| 23:07.31 | Triceron | so it's just about how much interest you can build for it |
| 23:07.49 | Bounty | You can have incentive based donations |
| 23:07.58 | Bounty | but only if anyone can unlock them in game |
| 23:08.07 | Triceron | but tbh I feel SC2's a bit dated. LOTV might renew some interest, but SC2 custom mapping hasn't been in the public eye very long |
| 23:08.10 | Bounty | they cannot be exclusives |
| 23:08.36 | Bounty | I don't think the platform matters as much as the game |
| 23:08.47 | Bounty | in terms of getting donations |
| 23:08.53 | Bounty | assuming you get promotion |
| 23:08.55 | Triceron | no, the platform doesn't |
| 23:09.08 | Tomura | It's more about what kind of options I have to finance me UE4 project. But I think I'll try to get into Epic's Dev Grants. They support projects they find interesting with up to 50k |
| 23:09.13 | Bounty | Now, I will have to include this little disclaimer |
| 23:09.15 | Triceron | but people still think you need to buy SC2 to play anything on the Arcade |
| 23:09.16 | Bounty | (Q) How is Blizzard Entertainment associated with this project? (A) Blizzard Entertainment is in no way directly associated with this project. With that said, the StarCraft II Community team is a big fan of our past games and assisting us by helping spread the word through various social media channels. |
| 23:09.26 | Triceron | it's not very well communicated altogether |
| 23:09.32 | Bounty | Blizz will promote me, but keep their distance legally lol |
| 23:09.42 | Bounty | which is understandable |
| 23:09.57 | Bounty | Thats why you make that a point in the KS Triceron |
| 23:10.06 | Triceron | yeah |
| 23:10.27 | Bounty | SCU already did that but I am still going to bring it up |
| 23:10.45 | Triceron | I'm usually referrign to word of mouth and how it gets promoted elsewhere |
| 23:10.48 | Bounty | FTP and no microtransactions? SOLD |
| 23:11.03 | Triceron | I remember a lot of SCU promotional sites had commenters talking stuff they knew nothing about |
| 23:11.04 | Bounty | Well, personally I am not relying on word of mouth |
| 23:11.32 | Repo | New map: Project tempest - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/project-tempest/ |
| 23:11.32 | Bounty | Blizzard promotes it on all of their outlets, streamers promote it and contact as many gaming websites as you can AFTER Blizzard promotes it |
| 23:11.40 | Bounty | thats my plan |
| 23:11.41 | Triceron | agreed |
| 23:11.46 | Triceron | streamers will definitely help |
| 23:11.54 | Bounty | Once Blizzard posts about it I should have more ground when contacting sits |
| 23:11.56 | Bounty | sites* |
| 23:12.13 | Triceron | I do kinda feel you should have at least a working playable before KSing |
| 23:12.23 | Bounty | Yeah I already said that :) |
| 23:12.25 | Bounty | Playable Alpha |
| 23:12.28 | Triceron | yeah |
| 23:12.35 | Triceron | just one section polished up |
| 23:12.44 | Bounty | Only reason I am doing that is because I suck on camera |
| 23:12.56 | Bounty | so I need to get their donations some other way lol |
| 23:14.36 | Bounty | I tried filming myself talking about the last KS and my god |
| 23:14.40 | Bounty | mega fail |
| 23:14.44 | Bounty | awkward as fuck |
| 23:14.47 | Triceron | lol |
| 23:15.00 | Triceron | yeah, it's almost necessary |
| 23:15.10 | Bounty | I am going more the route that you suggested Triceron |
| 23:15.14 | Bounty | like Darkest Dungeon |
| 23:15.25 | DeadZergling | well that is unfortunate, apparently search filters don't come along for the ride when you paste xml, lol |
| 23:15.28 | Bounty | epic video showing what the game is followed by text + images of thegame |
| 23:15.36 | Triceron | yeah |
| 23:15.41 | Triceron | it should be sellable in a few gifs |
| 23:15.51 | Bounty | best part about all of this is I can use ALL of blizzards music legally :) |
| 23:15.52 | Triceron | people understand what exactly this game is |
| 23:15.58 | Bounty | so I don't have to hire a composer lol |
| 23:16.11 | Bounty | Yeah I saw that on DD's page |
| 23:16.21 | Bounty | I had no idea you could have GIF's on a KS page |
| 23:17.05 | Triceron | that's what I do when writing game docs |
| 23:17.23 | Triceron | try to present it in a way that anyone can understand, lay stuff out in the most simplest and accessible terms |
| 23:18.00 | Triceron | then try to sell it to a casual gamer |
| 23:18.26 | Triceron | it really opens your eyes how hard it can be to get a simple message across |
| 23:18.47 | Bounty | I think I have done a good job in the past of that |
| 23:18.50 | Bounty | with my games |
| 23:19.29 | Bounty | Always room for improvement though |
| 23:33.20 | Bounty | So, Triceron... you said you would prefer a % rather then be paid per job done? |
| 23:33.59 | Triceron | Would be one of the options that'd I'd consider |
| 23:34.21 | Bounty | Paid before you start work or when you finish? |
| 23:34.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:35.11 | Triceron | Well depends on how involved I'd be with the project and for how long I guess. Hard to answer without knowing the factors involved |
| 23:35.33 | Bounty | Its really all animations |
| 23:35.55 | Bounty | unless you wanted to touch up the non HD War 3 models I use |
| 23:36.19 | Triceron | I wouldn't be opposed to doing more for the project if it helps promote it |
| 23:36.19 | Bounty | just trying to get an idea here because I would have to set a stretch goal just for you |
| 23:36.37 | Bounty | and you would be the first stretch goal |
| 23:37.04 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, that sounded so not right, lol |
| 23:37.43 | Triceron | if you just want animations to be done, then that can on a per-basis |
| 23:37.49 | Bounty | Not sure how you turned what I said into something perverted DZ haha |
| 23:38.07 | Bounty | how about 2 stretch goals? |
| 23:38.13 | Bounty | 1 for the animations and 1 for model touch ups |
| 23:38.15 | Triceron | I've got a love-hate relationship with the War3 models |
| 23:38.19 | DeadZergling | you are making a dude your stretch goal, lol |
| 23:38.24 | Triceron | and I've been remodelling em regardless |
| 23:38.39 | Bounty | I have to DZ |
| 23:38.43 | Bounty | To keep it at 4k |
| 23:38.50 | Triceron | it takes me like 3 days per model on a good week |
| 23:38.59 | Bounty | thats pretty good |
| 23:39.05 | Triceron | but I'm also meticulous and love to iterate |
| 23:39.11 | DeadZergling | yea i know Bounty , know what it really means |
| 23:39.21 | Triceron | so I'm never in a state of 'done', just acceptable for use |
| 23:39.26 | DeadZergling | but for whatever reason it seemed like erection goals |
| 23:39.42 | Bounty | also just got a response from Delph Triceron |
| 23:39.43 | Bounty | "yeah, that's right. Usually it's workable on bone-derived animations because it needs track sets on different bones to control the different parts that you need to show in that animation [6:38:42 PM] DelphiniumKey: Happy Chinese New Year!" |
| 23:40.04 | Bounty | I have no idea what he said outside of the happy new year |
| 23:40.34 | Triceron | he means it's tracked by naming conventions on bones |
| 23:41.04 | Triceron | I guess sorta like the Turret thing can only be set up on specific models that have a specific 'Turret' bone |
| 23:41.30 | Triceron | I guess that can be set up in data? |
| 23:41.33 | Bounty | Can this be tracked in triggers? |
| 23:41.52 | Bounty | I'm hoping it can be done in triggers because of the mouse facing system |
| 23:41.53 | Triceron | I dunno anything about data or triggers, you'd have to ask him about setup |
| 23:42.02 | Bounty | yeah, asking now |
| 23:42.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:42.18 | Triceron | I tried to prototype this kinda stuff with ProzaicMuse but he's a lazy bum |
| 23:42.28 | Bounty | this is his response to me asking how to do it in the editor |
| 23:42.29 | Bounty | "Don't worry about that, just send me your model." |
| 23:42.31 | Bounty | haha |
| 23:43.31 | Bounty | I'm going to ask him to do the Blademaster Triceron. |
| 23:43.34 | Bounty | and I'll send it toyou |
