| 00:00.52 | Bounty | agreed draktok |
| 00:01.33 | draktok | or, maybe even like the roach warren |
| 00:01.56 | Bounty | No need for a video though, a GIF should suffice. |
| 00:05.45 | draktok | well if he gives me the map when i have free time i will make a webm |
| 00:10.07 | draktok | Apparantly i don't understand upgrades |
| 00:10.28 | draktok | I made an upgrade, with the ability "add max health 10, add starting life 10" but it doesn't do anything |
| 00:10.41 | draktok | i upgrade it, and when unit spawns nothing happens |
| 00:11.49 | Bounty | You sure you set it up right? |
| 00:12.12 | Bounty | I've only ever used upgrades for dynamically changing a units pathing/mover |
| 00:12.25 | Bounty | but I know they can be a pita to setup lol |
| 00:12.42 | draktok | it didn't seem so hard |
| 00:12.47 | draktok | i was using combat shield as a reference |
| 00:12.59 | draktok | but apparantly i didn't cause it doesn't work :p |
| 00:13.09 | Bounty | take a SS and show it? |
| 00:14.08 | draktok | well ok |
| 00:15.45 | draktok | http://i.imgur.com/rAWgJgs.png |
| 00:15.47 | draktok | This is the upgrade |
| 00:26.17 | Bounty | I've never used that view for upgrades, I always use the window lol |
| 00:28.23 | draktok | fk |
| 00:28.25 | draktok | let me post window |
| 00:28.27 | draktok | sorry i was eating pizzz |
| 00:29.27 | draktok | http://i.imgur.com/Qjdi6ge.png |
| 00:29.36 | draktok | @bounty do you see anything wrong on this screen? |
| 00:30.37 | Bounty | Why have the Life Starting Amount change? |
| 00:31.13 | draktok | well i want it to update dynamically |
| 00:31.19 | draktok | so, i thought i needed that |
| 00:31.22 | draktok | but if i don't i will remove it |
| 00:31.29 | Bounty | Adding to maximum should be good |
| 00:31.38 | Bounty | Try doing a test to make sure its the upgrade |
| 00:31.45 | Bounty | Make a trigger with the event "Key Pressed" |
| 00:31.52 | Bounty | and have the trigger upgrade the sheep |
| 00:31.56 | Bounty | see if it works |
| 00:32.02 | draktok | ok |
| 00:32.09 | Bounty | So, you press 1 or something |
| 00:32.17 | Bounty | and if nothing happens, then you at least know its the upgrade |
| 00:33.34 | draktok | testing now |
| 00:34.05 | Bounty | kk, let me know if it works |
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| 00:34.52 | draktok_ | sorry did you get my last message Bounty? that it worked? |
| 00:35.14 | Bounty | it works? |
| 00:35.23 | Bounty | ok, so its the ability |
| 00:35.36 | draktok_ | Damn |
| 00:35.44 | draktok_ | yes it works, but i have to have starting life |
| 00:35.49 | draktok_ | otherwise they spawn with 120/160 |
| 00:35.51 | draktok_ | or w/e amount |
| 00:35.53 | Bounty | Ah |
| 00:36.01 | draktok_ | so, i do have to put starting life, but that's good to know, it's ability |
| 00:36.04 | Bounty | well, at least now you know what the issue is |
| 00:36.10 | Bounty | the ability is not applying the upgrade |
| 00:36.14 | draktok_ | well maybe, i thought i did abliity right too |
| 00:36.17 | draktok_ | so, i must keep testing |
| 00:36.23 | Bounty | SS of the ability? |
| 00:38.12 | draktok_ | Hey |
| 00:38.15 | draktok_ | Do you think it's because |
| 00:38.36 | draktok_ | the building that's 'selling' the ability belongs to nuetral, and i'm player 1, and the sheep are player 15? |
| 00:38.38 | draktok_ | i just thought of this |
| 00:40.36 | Bounty | could be |
| 00:40.50 | draktok_ | dang, means i probably need a trigger to fire to use the ability for player 15 |
| 00:40.50 | Bounty | another thing it could be is the ability button is not firing the ability lol |
| 00:40.56 | draktok_ | hm, i'm think it is |
| 00:40.57 | draktok_ | i will show u |
| 00:41.03 | Bounty | I mean, you could do it my way |
| 00:41.09 | Bounty | make the ability a dummy |
| 00:41.24 | Bounty | that does nothing and have a trigger that fires the upgrade when the ability is used |
| 00:41.30 | Bounty | kk |
| 00:41.32 | draktok_ | http://i.imgur.com/SvLbwr4.png |
| 00:42.03 | Bounty | wait |
| 00:42.05 | Bounty | there is no ability type "upgrade"? |
| 00:42.13 | Bounty | Only research? |
| 00:42.19 | draktok_ | I dunno |
| 00:42.20 | draktok_ | lemme look |
| 00:42.21 | draktok_ | :) |
| 00:42.32 | draktok_ | nope, no upgrade |
| 00:42.50 | Bounty | You there ArcanePariah? |
| 00:42.56 | draktok_ | There is research, or augment |
| 00:43.00 | draktok_ | is only things i could think relevant |
| 00:43.10 | draktok_ | but, again i was using combat shield for reference |
| 00:43.13 | Bounty | draktok could use some help and I don't know anything about abilities lol |
| 00:43.16 | draktok_ | but, i think it's because i'm not on player |
| 00:43.19 | draktok_ | 15 team |
| 00:43.21 | draktok_ | he is my enemy |
| 00:43.26 | draktok_ | so why would me purchase upgrade enemy |
| 00:43.27 | Bounty | Try it and see if it works |
| 00:43.30 | draktok_ | i have to use trigger i think :) |
| 00:43.40 | draktok_ | yes give me a second to think of trigger, i am not the best |
| 00:44.49 | Bounty | its easy, ability used as the event |
| 00:44.53 | Bounty | specify that ability |
| 00:44.58 | Bounty | event = apply the upgrade |
| 00:45.28 | draktok_ | it work |
| 00:45.35 | draktok_ | but now the sheep spawn with 10/200 |
| 00:45.37 | draktok_ | LOL |
| 00:45.39 | Bounty | what worked? |
| 00:45.44 | draktok_ | the trigger |
| 00:45.51 | draktok_ | i have "any player uses ability x" |
| 00:45.58 | draktok_ | "add level to "shep health for player 15" |
| 00:46.01 | Bounty | I think its because of the starting amount thing |
| 00:46.03 | draktok_ | but i think i broke the upgrade |
| 00:46.09 | draktok_ | lol yes it is obviously wrong on that end |
| 00:46.29 | Bounty | DeadZergling, do you know anything about ability/upgrades? |
| 00:46.30 | draktok_ | oh, i made the upgrdae "set" starting health to 10 |
| 00:46.32 | draktok_ | instead of add |
| 00:46.36 | draktok_ | ok that explain |
| 00:46.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:46.41 | draktok_ | now the last problem bounty |
| 00:46.56 | DeadZergling | some things? |
| 00:47.12 | draktok_ | is that, i want this upgrade to only be upgradeable 15 times, so how do i set that to not be possible? for example, i can't set a requirement only level 15, because lots of players can buy the upgrade |
| 00:47.32 | draktok_ | so, everyones "sheep health" level will be different, sicne it's firing through a trigger |
| 00:48.27 | Bounty | try arithmatic |
| 00:48.36 | Bounty | let me try something real fast |
| 00:49.00 | Bounty | this is a player wide upgrade right? |
| 00:49.03 | Bounty | not just for that unit |
| 00:49.47 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.09 | Bounty | I think that'll work lol |
| 00:50.32 | Bounty | and for the requirement |
| 00:50.39 | Bounty | just have a condition that checks the upgrade level |
| 00:50.57 | Bounty | pref an If then else |
| 00:51.03 | Bounty | If they're not maxed, upgrade em |
| 00:51.11 | Bounty | else, display a message saying they're maxed out |
| 00:52.02 | Bounty | draktok is trying to apply an upgrade via an ability DeadZergling |
| 00:52.06 | Bounty | but the upgrade is not firing |
| 00:52.09 | Bounty | the upgrade works |
| 00:52.14 | Bounty | but the ability is not firing it |
| 00:53.20 | DeadZergling | why not just copy paste off an evo chamber or armory or whatever |
| 00:53.26 | DeadZergling | they do the same thing |
| 00:53.41 | Bounty | I think he used marine shield as a reference |
| 00:54.17 | draktok_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3599 |
| 00:54.22 | DeadZergling | I see, best I can do honestly, I've never needed to use an ability to trigger an upgrade |
| 00:54.24 | draktok_ | Bounty do you think this will work, it's similar |
| 00:54.27 | DeadZergling | thought it was a waste of a button |
| 00:54.42 | Bounty | should work draktok |
| 00:54.44 | draktok_ | I can go try now |
| 00:54.48 | draktok_ | The ability is free |
| 00:55.03 | draktok_ | Ok, and then, i need to set another action in the 'error' part, to return the minerals |
| 00:55.07 | draktok_ | and hide the ability |
| 00:55.39 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.45 | Bounty | easy >.< |
| 00:55.52 | DeadZergling | or only subtract minerals when it works in the trigger |
| 00:55.52 | draktok_ | oh |
| 00:55.55 | draktok_ | nice that's easy easy |
| 00:56.05 | Bounty | Yep, welcome to the light draktok |
| 00:56.08 | Bounty | Known as triggers |
| 00:56.10 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:56.11 | draktok_ | well the reason it subtracts in the game is so they know how much it cost |
| 00:56.37 | draktok_ | well its sad bounty, i must use triggers because data doesn't allow for cross team upgrades =) |
| 00:56.55 | Bounty | Really? Thats odd |
| 00:56.59 | DeadZergling | for every light, there is a shadow |
| 00:57.09 | DeadZergling | IE, Bounty's actor knowledge in data |
| 00:57.20 | Bounty | My actor knowledge is decent |
| 00:57.35 | Bounty | Its all the other data stuff that is my shadow |
| 00:57.36 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:58.03 | draktok_ | Well, if you can figure out a way to use data to do cross team upgrades |
| 00:58.05 | draktok_ | I will be impressed |
| 00:58.14 | draktok_ | but as far as i can tell, it is impossible, but i might just not have the right flag set |
| 00:58.34 | Bounty | you mean upgrade an entire team and not one player? |
| 00:58.54 | Bounty | yeah idk if thats possible in data |
| 00:59.05 | Bounty | because I don't think you can even reference an entire team in data? |
| 00:59.18 | draktok_ | Nope |
| 00:59.19 | draktok_ | you can not |
| 00:59.24 | draktok_ | unless there is a flag i'm not checking somewhere |
| 00:59.25 | draktok_ | but i don't see it |
| 00:59.37 | DeadZergling | I'm sure there is a way |
| 00:59.41 | draktok_ | sad part about data, is it more directly requires blizzard to implement something to be possible, but why would they when you can do a trigger :) |
| 00:59.44 | DeadZergling | but you can be done with triggers in about 10-15 mins |
| 00:59.47 | DeadZergling | so why? lol |
| 00:59.54 | Bounty | Thats what hes doing DeadZergling |
| 00:59.54 | draktok_ | well, exactly |
| 01:00.20 | DeadZergling | one thing you can do in data, is set the requirement to view use to be upgrade amount < 25 |
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| 01:00.50 | DeadZergling | be less crap to do in triggers honestly |
| 01:01.38 | draktok_ | well, i already did the trigger, but i know about the requirement, but it's more confusing to do since |
| 01:01.45 | draktok_ | i am actually upgrading via trigger for player 15 |
| 01:01.51 | draktok_ | so, if i set that requirement, it sets it for the player |
| 01:02.00 | draktok_ | and the player, will have whatever upgrades he's bought, but not his teammates |
| 01:02.04 | draktok_ | so i don't think the requirement works. |
| 01:02.27 | Bounty | Just do pick each player on team X and apply the upgrade |
| 01:02.29 | Bounty | to them |
| 01:03.15 | draktok_ | well, it's fine i set the trigger condition to be /player 15/ |
| 01:03.22 | draktok_ | i just meant, if i used requirement, it would be more complicated |
| 01:03.23 | Bounty | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3600 |
| 01:03.24 | Bounty | like that |
| 01:03.47 | Bounty | but you would need another if then else to check what team the triggering player is on |
| 01:03.56 | DeadZergling | can set the requirement to check for the upgrade for player 15 np np |
| 01:04.13 | DeadZergling | suit yourself anyways, you know how I am Bounty, I'm always for the easiest road, lol |
| 01:04.22 | Bounty | Same |
| 01:04.30 | draktok_ | i am for what works :d |
| 01:04.33 | DeadZergling | well, a little more complicated than that |
| 01:04.45 | DeadZergling | the easier road which is easier to maintain |
| 01:04.47 | Bounty | I am all for efficiency though |
| 01:04.54 | Bounty | There are some things data is better used for |
| 01:05.02 | Bounty | if done in triggers, will lag the game |
| 01:05.44 | DeadZergling | getting pretty close to having a working boss3 finally Bounty , my progress has been beyond slow |
| 01:05.47 | DeadZergling | but it is finally getting there |
| 01:05.54 | Bounty | For Death TV? |
| 01:06.04 | DeadZergling | naw, the RPG |
| 01:06.09 | Bounty | Ah |
| 01:06.15 | Bounty | I'm still in the concept phase for my game lol |
| 01:06.17 | DeadZergling | Death TV it would be boss 5, or a miniboss |
| 01:06.21 | Bounty | trying to figure out how items will work |
| 01:06.38 | Bounty | The easy solution is to have loot only show up for you |
| 01:06.42 | Bounty | that is yours |
| 01:06.42 | DeadZergling | my next thing to do is just make 2 or 3 basic enemies to throw in |
| 01:06.47 | Bounty | but thats kinda meh |
| 01:06.50 | DeadZergling | to add a new level of difficulty without much lag |
| 01:07.45 | draktok_ | So, bounty, you want loot to be unique per player? |
| 01:07.52 | Bounty | no |
| 01:08.02 | Bounty | its weird lol |
| 01:08.24 | Bounty | What I really want to do is have every item usable by all classes |
| 01:08.36 | Bounty | but they just have diff effects for diff classes |
| 01:08.37 | draktok_ | Ok |
| 01:08.49 | draktok_ | Hmm, lots of text modifiers :o |
| 01:08.49 | DeadZergling | that is very doable |
| 01:08.53 | draktok_ | but possible |
| 01:09.01 | Bounty | I'm just thinking of what the best way to do it in triggers would be |
| 01:09.10 | DeadZergling | I have that going on with ranged weapons in my RPG, it works okay for my wizard, but it is extra good for the archer |
| 01:10.01 | draktok_ | New problem bounty |
| 01:10.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:10.09 | DeadZergling | well, based on itemname, username, do this effect |
| 01:10.10 | draktok_ | The trigger you saw, it works, but it upgrades twice |
| 01:10.14 | draktok_ | even though the trigger says one |
| 01:10.18 | draktok_ | oops :d |
| 01:10.26 | DeadZergling | be a big list I assume with how many items you'd have, but very doable |
| 01:10.47 | DeadZergling | you may reduce your hero count ambitions once you get going, honestly :) |
| 01:11.24 | Bounty | change the stage to "Complete" |
| 01:11.34 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.08 | Bounty | When you have it set to "Any" it will fire each stage of the ability |
| 01:12.36 | DeadZergling | start is also a decent stage to use |
| 01:12.42 | DeadZergling | if you ever do this sort of thing again, that is :) |
| 01:14.07 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 01:14.10 | Bounty | Either or really |
| 01:14.21 | draktok_ | i'm trying complete |
| 01:14.23 | draktok_ | and will return results |
| 01:15.06 | Bounty | results shall be positive =P |
| 01:15.18 | Bounty | I have seen it in my dreams. |
| 01:15.34 | draktok_ | It worked |
| 01:15.36 | draktok_ | you have nice dreams |
| 01:15.49 | draktok_ | i had a dream about zombies eating my wife, but then my kid (i don't have a kid) shot the zombie and my zombie wife, weird |
| 01:16.23 | Bounty | I've never had a dream about zombies |
| 01:16.28 | Bounty | Its always some shit that could happen |
| 01:16.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:16.52 | Bounty | So, you all good now draktok? |
| 01:17.00 | Bounty | That'll be tree fitty |
| 01:17.15 | Bounty | I accept Diners Club |
| 01:18.02 | draktok_ | tree fiddy? |
| 01:18.12 | draktok_ | shit it do look like about tree fiddy worth o work tho |
| 01:18.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:18.22 | Bounty | nah |
| 01:18.24 | draktok_ | aight, ill getchu tree fiddy |
| 01:18.31 | draktok_ | my roommates from compton |
| 01:21.26 | anarch | i finally got my marine actor to work properly |
| 01:22.41 | draktok_ | Yeah? |
| 01:22.44 | Bounty | congrats anarch |
| 01:22.46 | draktok_ | Did we help at all or steer you the wrong way lol |
| 01:23.23 | anarch | you all helped me better understand. in the end, i used a technique zolden told me about. i have my first effect in the chain (the switch) replaced with a set, |
| 01:23.30 | anarch | which sets the switch, and a dummy damage (0) |
| 01:23.40 | anarch | and that triggers the animations properly even when it misses |
| 01:23.45 | anarch | presumably because the dummy damage never misses |
| 01:23.47 | draktok_ | yes i am |
| 01:24.30 | draktok_ | OMG! |
| 01:24.34 | anarch | im going to stick around though because i like this place xD |
| 01:24.37 | draktok_ | i DUPLICATED AN UNIT |
| 01:24.40 | draktok_ | AND THE EDITOR DIDN'T CRASH! |
| 01:24.54 | anarch | yay for stable software |
| 01:24.54 | anarch | xD |
| 01:24.59 | draktok_ | is anyone on the PTr though beecause soon i will need to test my map |
| 01:25.04 | draktok_ | to see how much it is broken, or not :) |
| 01:25.26 | anarch | i can not atm but i would be willing to do that sometime |
| 01:25.49 | anarch | i dont remember how to even get to the ptr |
| 01:25.57 | anarch | =( |
| 01:26.39 | draktok_ | well open battle net |
| 01:26.39 | draktok_ | client |
| 01:26.46 | draktok_ | and change your region from americas or w/e it is, to PTR |
| 01:27.05 | draktok_ | if you don't have the option, you have to go to battle.net website and just optin to the sc2 beta client, everyone has access except certain counrties maybe |
| 01:27.12 | anarch | ah that makes sense... |
| 01:27.13 | draktok_ | maybe not EU actually |
| 01:27.16 | draktok_ | if you are EU u r not help i think |
| 01:27.18 | anarch | i recently started playing again |
| 01:27.25 | DeadZergling | zombie dreams are so boring |
| 01:27.37 | draktok_ | it's like 15gb install though so you will want to run overnight unless you are google fiber |
| 01:27.38 | anarch | last i remember, ptr was a separate .exe |
| 01:27.39 | DeadZergling | how about watching fish in a stream in a forest behind your house, and then.... |
| 01:27.45 | draktok_ | i didn't ask for it deadzergling it just happened |
| 01:27.56 | DeadZergling | 2 of the fish grow into Godzilla and Mothra having an epic battle in your neightborhood |
| 01:28.05 | draktok_ | it still is, anarch, but it's all handled through the battle.net client |
| 01:28.15 | draktok_ | so you change your region to it, it will auto download, and you can play, and hot swap |
| 01:28.42 | DeadZergling | my poor little brother, he was so dumb and unaware, he got crushed without even knowing what was happening |
| 01:30.02 | draktok_ | I'm also goingto be recording some video game play of my map, for blizzard, so i hope to be featured with the patch launch, but my map is not great, so i am not hopeful :) |
| 01:33.49 | draktok_ | i wish there was more options for 'all player' |
| 01:34.05 | draktok_ | for example i want when game starts to lock player camera, but, the game doesn't let me select all players |
| 01:34.07 | draktok_ | it says player 1 |
| 01:34.13 | draktok_ | and then i get confused on how to have all players returned |
| 01:36.38 | DeadZergling | is such a thing as player groups, you know |
| 01:39.56 | draktok_ | i get confused how to set up player groups :) |
| 01:41.02 | DeadZergling | same way you do for unit groups |
| 01:41.16 | DeadZergling | make global variable for it, add who you need to it, use as wanted |
| 01:46.37 | DeadZergling | is even the nice feature make all players in player group enemies to each other, or make them all allies, allies with shared vision, etc |
| 01:46.49 | DeadZergling | without having to do a lot of lines of code or an easily confusable loop to do it |
| 01:47.45 | draktok_ | Hey |
| 01:47.47 | draktok_ | Does pick players work? |
| 01:47.53 | draktok_ | If i say "create 1 wisp for picked player" |
| 01:47.57 | draktok_ | will it do it for each active player? |
| 01:48.13 | DeadZergling | will do it for that picked player, and if you set it up for each player, do actions |
| 01:48.14 | DeadZergling | then yes |
| 01:57.09 | anarch | does anyone knowof a reasonable way to make an ability that aims a turret? |
| 01:57.28 | anarch | example, ability on a siege tank, click the ability, click the ground, the tank turret will aim there |
| 01:58.25 | draktok_ | Are you on the |
| 01:58.29 | draktok_ | ptr editor anarch? |
| 01:58.37 | anarch | no. what's the difference? |
| 02:01.42 | draktok_ | ah, i was going to say if you are, reference some of the stuff on it |
| 02:01.57 | draktok_ | its got all the wc3 assets, so that is something possible in wc3, so it's probable you could use it as a reference |
| 02:02.02 | draktok_ | that being said, i have no idea to your question :) |
| 02:02.22 | anarch | thanks for trying :D |
| 02:03.06 | DeadZergling | tank turret spinning for an ability, could ask JademusSreg or ArcanePariah anarch , but otherwise I got an incredibly messy workaround, lol |
| 02:03.26 | anarch | whats the workaround? |
| 02:03.54 | DeadZergling | make a no draw unit only the tank can see and target, order him to target it, and the turret should spin accordingly |
| 02:04.44 | anarch | that could be the only way. any idea how i would go about doing that? I mean, i understand the effect to order unit to attack X unit |
| 02:04.58 | JademusSreg | Lazy way would be to simply enable/switch to an alternate Turret on the unit. |
| 02:04.59 | anarch | but what is a no draw unit? i guess a unit with no actor assigned? or maybe no model rather? |
| 02:05.25 | anarch | JademusSreg: i thought about that as a possible solution |
| 02:05.38 | anarch | but i would much prefer to be able to mouse aim, so they can target with multiple tanks at once |
| 02:05.43 | draktok_ | Anyone here mess with dialogs can tell me what this error i'm getting means? |
| 02:05.46 | draktok_ | I don't understand it |
| 02:06.30 | anarch | draktok_: paste the error |
| 02:06.34 | JademusSreg | Anarch, need more information about the design. |
| 02:06.36 | anarch | even though i have never used dialogs.. |
| 02:06.45 | draktok_ | http://i.imgur.com/KQfqMgR.jpg |
| 02:06.46 | anarch | JademusSreg: sure, i will explain the concept. |
| 02:07.04 | draktok_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3601 |
| 02:07.04 | anarch | imagine the siege tank unit, in siege mode. the turret does not move (no fidget even) |
| 02:07.22 | anarch | There is an ability on the command card "Aim" |
| 02:07.25 | JademusSreg | 0 dialog control == no dialog control. |
| 02:07.26 | draktok_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3602 |
| 02:07.29 | anarch | You click it, then click a point on the ground |
| 02:07.39 | anarch | the tanks turret rotates to point that direction |
| 02:07.42 | anarch | towards the point |
| 02:08.23 | draktok_ | My dialog works perfectly fine as far as i can tell, though, jademus, i just don't like getting errors spam, is why i want to fix |
| 02:09.31 | DeadZergling | I can dig up my messy solution later if JademusSreg doesn't solve it amazingly anarch :) |
| 02:09.45 | anarch | DeadZergling: i would appreciate it, zergling |
| 02:09.52 | anarch | i way or another, this must be done! :D |
| 02:10.17 | JademusSreg | Ah, reminds me of ancient work, like the korean shmups, marine 2d scroller, gundam fight stuff. Getting the turret to aim at a point (ie 2-axes rotation) is easy, though getting z-axis rotation has been observed to be broken.) |
| 02:11.05 | JademusSreg | Not sure if that's for all or only some turrets. |
| 02:11.28 | draktok_ | Hm, i give up on my dialog then |
| 02:12.14 | anarch | jad, all i need is that 2d rotation. it doesnt need to look up/down, if that's what you mean |
| 02:12.27 | anarch | just rotate to look in the direction of the point |
| 02:12.39 | JademusSreg | drak, it just means you've got a dialog item set text action that's receiving no dialog control. |
| 02:13.02 | draktok_ | I don't have any set text action that though :o |
| 02:13.15 | anarch | im unfarmiliar with 1) a way to rotate the turret in a controlled way, and 2) a way to detect which way it's facing in relation to a point... |
| 02:13.28 | anarch | i wonder if there is such a way |
| 02:14.00 | JademusSreg | Anarch, in that case, periodic update of a channelish weapon attack for the turret based on the mouse world position. |
| 02:14.31 | JademusSreg | Periodic -or- on demand, when the button is pressed, depending on your design. |
| 02:15.34 | anarch | the problem i have encountered is that turrets muct be associated with weapons (not abilities) and weapons (unlike abilities...) cannot attack a point, they must attack a unit |
| 02:15.45 | anarch | i have previously attempted to make a second weapon with dummy damage that attacks point |
| 02:15.48 | anarch | but it doesnt work, |
| 02:16.17 | anarch | for the aforementioned reasons xD |
| 02:16.37 | DeadZergling | weapon has to have the siege tank turret attached to it |
| 02:16.41 | DeadZergling | or it won't turn for you |
| 02:16.56 | anarch | yep, thats fine. i got the turret attached to the weapon fine, when attacking units |
| 02:17.04 | anarch | but to aim at a point on the ground when no enemy is nearby does not work |
| 02:17.10 | anarch | because i cannot attack a point, only an enemy unit |
| 02:17.37 | DeadZergling | yea, that's the idea of a no draw unit, no one ever sees the unit, as far as the player is concerned, you just attacked the ground :) |
| 02:18.03 | anarch | are there any no draw units in the game i can lookup to get an idea what you mean? |
| 02:18.06 | anarch | is it just a new unit with no model? |
| 02:18.24 | DeadZergling | is just a unit flagged no draw, you might want to make it invulnerable too |
| 02:18.31 | anarch | oh... |
| 02:18.33 | anarch | interesting |
| 02:18.37 | DeadZergling | no move is also a good idea |
| 02:18.37 | JademusSreg | Hrm, pretty sure I've tackled that before, but would need to dig around. |
| 02:18.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:19.00 | DeadZergling | i was curious if you knew a better way JademusSreg , but I do have a working solution to this, albeit it messier than I'd like :) |
| 02:19.31 | anarch | deadzergling, im with you on moving forward with this idea if jade doesnt come through with a non-dummy unit way |
| 02:19.52 | DeadZergling | aye, I can't give you the exact working example at this moment, as I'm at work |
| 02:19.56 | DeadZergling | but later when I'm at home I can |
| 02:20.23 | anarch | but the concept is that i would make a unit called 'tank tagget' or something, invuln, no draw, hidden... then make a second tank weapon that can only target this type of unit via validators |
| 02:20.39 | anarch | and then the ability spawns this unit and orders the unit to attack it |
| 02:20.50 | anarch | and since the unit will be considered neutral, nearby tanks will not auto attack? |
| 02:20.55 | anarch | only the one that is ordered |
| 02:21.01 | anarch | am i understanding this concept correctly? |
| 02:21.28 | DeadZergling | yea, is a flag to make a unit so no units want to auto target it |
| 02:21.38 | DeadZergling | forget the exact name |
| 02:22.41 | anarch | do you work nights? |
| 02:23.10 | DeadZergling | semi-swing |
| 02:25.09 | anarch | will my dummyweapon be able to target this thing if it's set to invuln? |
| 02:26.03 | DeadZergling | yep, invuln just means it won't die, can shoot at it all you want |
| 02:26.23 | anarch | oh ^_^ |
| 02:26.45 | DeadZergling | can also make it same player, and set the damage filter to never hit self |
| 02:27.00 | DeadZergling | but I'd recommend it be a unit that has a behavior that suicides it within a second or something |
| 02:27.09 | DeadZergling | otherwise you risk cluttering the map up fast |
| 02:27.14 | anarch | alright |
| 02:28.48 | anarch | there seems to already be a unit called invisible target dummy |
| 02:28.51 | anarch | i could probably use that xD |
| 02:28.55 | DeadZergling | oh right, i'd also remove all the units collisions, especially if you want multiple tanks to be able to aim at the same spot |
| 02:29.08 | anarch | good call |
| 02:29.12 | DeadZergling | sure, worth a shot |
| 02:30.56 | DeadZergling | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOpw8yo8vo#t=385 is an example of the tank turrets btw |
| 02:31.15 | DeadZergling | I use the non siege turret of course, but the idea is the same |
| 02:32.15 | anarch | lol |
| 02:32.20 | anarch | i like the commentator |
| 02:32.48 | DeadZergling | yea, he makes pretty good stuff, is weird he doesn't have more viewers |
| 02:33.09 | DeadZergling | he is the guy I hired to LP my stuff for me, lol |
| 02:35.08 | anarch | i see |
| 02:35.17 | anarch | can you help clarify the chain of effects required to accomplish this? |
| 02:35.23 | anarch | i understand create unit |
| 02:35.26 | anarch | and order unit |
| 02:36.25 | DeadZergling | off the top of my head, probably a bad idea, lol |
| 02:36.43 | anarch | ok |
| 02:37.28 | DeadZergling | I believe I did CP, Create Unit at an offset like -30 y away (yours will be target point I assume), a little fuzzy on what I did next, I know issue order was part of it, but I had a certain way of detecting target |
| 02:38.50 | anarch | thats going to be the tricky part :D |
| 02:38.54 | anarch | im going to give it a shot |
| 02:38.56 | anarch | wish me luck D: |
| 02:39.47 | DeadZergling | good luck, I'll look it up for you when I get home in 2-3 hours |
| 02:42.10 | anarch | i might be asleep by then xD |
| 02:42.16 | anarch | but ill be on tomorrow |
| 02:45.48 | DeadZergling | you anarch on sc2mapster? |
| 02:46.28 | anarch | probably. i was in to making maps a few years ago |
| 02:46.31 | anarch | im just getting back in to it |
| 02:46.47 | DeadZergling | yea, just figured I could leave a short message on there |
| 02:46.52 | DeadZergling | to let you know the effect chain |
| 02:47.01 | anarch | im not sure i still have access to that xD |
| 02:47.13 | anarch | maybe you can just whisper it to me on irc here? |
| 02:47.15 | anarch | i leave this on |
| 02:47.20 | anarch | so it will show up |
| 02:49.05 | anarch | any idea if the effects in a set effect are executed in order of the list? |
| 02:49.19 | anarch | i.e. is it safe to create the unit, and then order to attack it below in the same set? |
| 02:50.32 | DeadZergling | yes, they are done in order |
| 02:50.37 | DeadZergling | unless you flag it as random |
| 02:50.45 | anarch | thanks :) |
| 02:54.07 | DeadZergling | Create persistent is even better for this sort of thing if you need delays between effects, it allows more than just 8 effects too |
| 02:54.28 | anarch | good idea |
| 02:54.47 | anarch | i think im going to wait until tomorrow to get your full ideas on it |
| 02:55.01 | anarch | its getting late and i need sleep soon |
| 02:55.10 | anarch | but i think this idea will work well |
| 02:55.13 | anarch | i appreciate the help |
| 02:57.04 | DeadZergling | no problem anarch, is rare someone needs help with something i specifically did |
| 02:57.11 | DeadZergling | but it happens sometimes, lol |
| 02:58.23 | anarch | im a special case :D |
| 02:58.37 | anarch | time for sleep though. night zergling |
| 02:58.40 | anarch | afk |
| 03:00.21 | DeadZergling | considering how poorly I did at leaving work on time last night |
| 03:00.29 | DeadZergling | probably safe to get the hell out of here now tonight |
| 03:01.41 | DeadZergling | back in a few hours then, laters draktok_ , Bounty |
| 03:01.47 | draktok_ | lata |
| 03:18.20 | draktok_ | Hey |
| 03:18.29 | draktok_ | Anyone know if you can add just a specific unit to a unit group |
| 03:18.36 | draktok_ | IE i just want to add the unit 'wisp' to a unit group |
| 03:18.43 | draktok_ | without any preexisting conditions |
| 03:18.51 | draktok_ | reason being is there is no wisp that spawn on map so i can't just select him |
| 03:18.53 | Dustin|Work | You're trying to add a unit type? |
| 03:19.03 | Dustin|Work | Unit Types != units |
| 03:19.07 | Dustin|Work | Cannot add them to unit groups |
| 03:19.19 | Dustin|Work | The unit has to be created before it can be added to a group |
| 03:19.22 | draktok_ | yes that's what i was hoping i could do |
| 03:19.31 | draktok_ | is there any way to add a unit type to a variable to reference? |
| 03:21.04 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 03:21.21 | Dustin|Work | You could create an array with the tye of 'Unit Type' |
| 03:21.24 | Dustin|Work | type* |
| 03:21.44 | Dustin|Work | And you can add a new value to it and then loop through and create whatever unit types are stored |
| 03:22.10 | draktok_ | well what i'm trying to do is have an ability removed form the unit wisp based on a selection via dialog |
| 03:22.20 | draktok_ | so, it creates wisp, and either it removes this ability, or it doesn't |
| 03:22.29 | draktok_ | based on what the player pick |
| 03:23.41 | Dustin|Work | Oh, well then this isnt the approach you want |
| 03:24.18 | Dustin|Work | Does this remove the ability from all wisps you get? |
| 03:24.26 | draktok_ | you only get the one wisp |
| 03:24.34 | draktok_ | but, it removes it from all players wisp |
| 03:24.37 | draktok_ | based on the option the host chooses |
| 03:25.04 | draktok_ | which is why i need to reference unit type i think, because i can't reference 'last created unit' when it makes 6 units |
| 03:25.28 | Dustin|Work | Just Store that option they picked from the begininng and then have another trigger that runs after the wisps have been spawned, if it matches a specific setting, then remove the abilitys from all players wisps |
| 03:25.52 | Dustin|Work | Store the wisps in variables |
| 03:25.55 | Dustin|Work | IE |
| 03:26.25 | Dustin|Work | Create 1 Wisps at Wherever for Player 1; Player1Wisp[] = LastCreatedUnit(); |
| 03:26.28 | Dustin|Work | Repeat for each guy |
| 03:26.36 | draktok_ | oh ok |
| 03:26.39 | draktok_ | i could probably do that |
| 03:26.42 | Dustin|Work | Or something like |
| 03:26.50 | Dustin|Work | PlayerWisp[1] = LastCreatedunit |
| 03:26.59 | Dustin|Work | So you use the Player Number as an array index |
| 03:27.06 | draktok_ | Yeah, ez |
| 03:27.09 | Dustin|Work | So it's easier to itterate |
| 03:27.16 | draktok_ | That's how i made the dialog work half way anyways cause of different options, so i can add those np |
| 03:27.26 | Dustin|Work | Yup yup, same principle there |
| 03:30.16 | draktok_ | Hey Dustin|Work |
| 03:30.17 | draktok_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3603 |
| 03:30.18 | draktok_ | like this? |
| 03:31.25 | Dustin|Work | Close |
| 03:31.30 | Dustin|Work | You should have 1 Variable |
| 03:31.32 | Dustin|Work | PlayerWisp |
| 03:31.38 | Dustin|Work | Then make it an array with a size of 16 |
| 03:31.57 | Dustin|Work | Then set PlayerWisp[1] for player 1, PlayerWisp[2] for player 2 |
| 03:32.27 | draktok_ | Oh |
| 03:32.32 | draktok_ | Oh ok i will try that |
| 03:34.23 | draktok_ | I see what you mean now |
| 03:34.24 | draktok_ | thx :) |
| 03:34.40 | Dustin|Work | np :) |
| 03:37.27 | Dustin|Work | After that is setup you can do something like... |
| 03:38.17 | Dustin|Work | Pick Each Player in Player Group (Active players) And Do Actions... Remove Ability 'WhateverAbility' from PlayerWisp[(PickedPlayer)] |
| 03:38.32 | draktok_ | Oh |
| 03:38.32 | Dustin|Work | Then you have a simple loop that removed the ability from each person's Wisp |
| 03:38.46 | draktok_ | I was trying to do Unit - Hide the Altar of Elders - Train ability for (Last created unit |
| 03:38.55 | draktok_ | is that wrong then :D |
| 03:38.56 | Dustin|Work | This could also be done with adding a created unit to a unit group then looping through the unit gorup |
| 03:39.21 | Dustin|Work | Ya, you'll need to hide it per Unit |
| 03:39.39 | draktok_ | Per unit, ok |
| 04:15.03 | draktok_ | Hey thanks Dustin|Work , that did work fine as you recommend, i did not know about array's |
| 04:15.07 | draktok_ | that is very useful to me :) |
| 04:19.59 | Dustin|Work | not a problem :) glad it worked out! |
| 04:22.26 | draktok_ | Hey dustin , question if you have a time, how would one go about making an ability that has a single target into a aoe ability? lets take, lock down for example. (it's not the ability i'm using, but the example) |
| 04:23.49 | draktok_ | I thought i had it, i create effect with search area, and modified the value and attached it to the set effect, which in turn in attached to the effect of lock down, but it didn't effect anything |
| 04:26.54 | Dustin|Work | Ok so what exactly do you want the ability to do |
| 04:27.14 | Dustin|Work | you want to pick 1 unit and then it creates an AOE affect on that unit? |
| 04:27.30 | draktok_ | well essentially, the ability currently puts one unit to sleep |
| 04:27.36 | draktok_ | what i would rather it do, is put units in an area to sleep |
| 04:27.52 | draktok_ | so, whether it extends from the base, or is applied immedinately, doesn't really matter as long as it applies (near) instantly |
| 04:28.17 | Dustin|Work | So you just want a normal AOE ability |
| 04:28.22 | draktok_ | well, yes :) |
| 04:28.36 | draktok_ | but i am having a hard time transitioning an ability not currently aoe, into aoe |
| 04:29.21 | Dustin|Work | Not a problem, make your Ability as a Target Effect ability, then make a new Search Event, and have the search event set to the radius you want and then set it to apply a behavior on it's Effect |
| 04:30.13 | Dustin|Work | This is the basics, so you have an ability that creates a Search event at the target location and the search effect will run this 'apply behavior' effect on any unit you set to allow through the search filters |
| 04:30.35 | Dustin|Work | So in essence, you have an ability that will apply any behavior effects to a group of units in a radius around the target point |
| 04:31.37 | draktok_ | Ok, give me a few moments to test - it is a little difficult to say for exactly your words, simply because i did not make the ability, and i'm instead modifying the ability in a mod, so i am have to dig a little bit to put it together :) |
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| 06:36.09 | draktok_ | well i'm going to bed |
| 06:36.32 | draktok_ | goodnight whoever is still here, i hope some of you bother to download the PTR, so that we may play test my game |
| 06:36.46 | draktok_ | It is nearing play test session time as soon as friday... it's a 3v3 style game so i need a few :) |
| 06:41.57 | draktok_ | msg me on sc2 mapster if u want to know time frames etc. |
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| 09:59.02 | NukedaWhales | anyone here? |
| 10:00.23 | Goa_ | most likely |
| 11:00.35 | NukedaWhales | can anyone help me set up a lobby with teams? Locked teams? I want to have selectable nations so they would have to be moved to that team. |
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| 11:48.09 | NukedaWhales | anyway to duplicate units from map to map? |
| 12:05.04 | fearoftheduck | yeah |
| 12:05.24 | fearoftheduck | split maps into component files and transfer approporiate data |
| 12:06.34 | fearoftheduck | as described in this topic http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/data-assets/75503-map-to-mod/#p1 nukedawhales |
| 12:20.12 | NukedaWhales | hell yeah thanks |
| 12:21.35 | NukedaWhales | now can you help me with setting up a nation select locked teamed lobby? |
| 12:22.28 | fearoftheduck | my only suggestion would be to use attributes |
| 12:23.03 | fearoftheduck | it's those little pulldowns on player slots that you can see in some lobbys where players can pick things |
| 12:23.04 | NukedaWhales | u know anything about locked 2 team lobby? |
| 12:23.19 | NukedaWhales | yeah i know that part decent enough |
| 12:23.41 | NukedaWhales | eh nvm ima wing it |
| 12:24.25 | fearoftheduck | all I know about teams it that it's screwy cause even if you move players in lobby back and forth first player who joined the map will always be player1, seconds will always be P2 and so on.. |
| 12:25.01 | fearoftheduck | that's why people use attributes and in-game role selectors |
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| 13:09.08 | anarch | good morning |
| 13:13.23 | Merc | Man, you guys ahve been busy |
| 13:13.33 | Merc | ah, JademusSreg is back |
| 13:13.51 | Merc | everyone just pretending to be busy |
| 13:15.45 | Merc | *tumbleweeds* |
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| 14:30.27 | NukedaWhales | im pretty busy my ww1 map about to go alpha |
| 14:32.15 | NukedaWhales | http://imgur.com/edit |
| 14:32.28 | NukedaWhales | what you think of my europe map? |
| 14:40.31 | fearoftheduck | yeah, I don't think you linked what you meant to link.. |
| 14:40.51 | fearoftheduck | cause that redirects to imgurs face page :D |
| 14:42.33 | fearoftheduck | but because of that I'm now aware of this: http://imgur.com/gallery/Rb1ST , thanks |
| 14:43.24 | NukedaWhales | oopse haha http://imgur.com/0axBX19 |
| 14:44.48 | NukedaWhales | http://imgur.com/NUxRN82 |
| 14:44.53 | NukedaWhales | better picture |
| 14:48.44 | fearoftheduck | would probably be better without the gridlines :3 |
| 14:51.48 | fearoftheduck | nice mountains. Tho it's not like I have any point of referance to use, my diplomacy experience amounts to playing it once in broodwar >_> |
| 14:53.54 | NukedaWhales | how do you turn off pathing veiwing i have them all off under view-->pathing but red still showing |
| 14:55.22 | fearoftheduck | press "V" to toggle between editor and game view I belive |
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| 14:58.09 | DeadZergling | you awake, anarch ? |
| 14:59.26 | NukedaWhales | http://imgur.com/C5pOYvN |
| 14:59.28 | anarch | DeadZergling: yes |
| 14:59.31 | anarch | im at work ^_^ |
| 14:59.32 | NukedaWhales | ok there proper pic |
| 15:00.04 | DeadZergling | well shoot me an email or some way to send you a file, I had a nice mod with the complete tank going, but the editor decided to crash |
| 15:00.14 | DeadZergling | so you get a hastily duped ability instead |
| 15:00.22 | anarch | lol |
| 15:00.24 | anarch | thats fine |
| 15:03.37 | DeadZergling | and sent |
| 15:03.49 | anarch | i wont be able to check it out until i get home. |
| 15:04.12 | DeadZergling | that's fine, I let a note about what 2 effects to look at the most closely |
| 15:04.17 | anarch | were you able to figure out how to cause the "Issue Order" effect to specify the no-draw target unit as the target of the attack order? |
| 15:04.20 | DeadZergling | I'm almost positive those are the parts you are hung up on |
| 15:04.24 | anarch | alright :) |
| 15:04.29 | anarch | thank you zergling |
| 15:04.46 | DeadZergling | yea nps, woulda done it sooner, but was tired, and knew you were sleeping anyways, lol |
| 15:05.10 | anarch | mind if i ask which timezone you are in? |
| 15:05.16 | DeadZergling | pacific |
| 15:05.28 | anarch | so it's about 7am for you right now? |
| 15:05.51 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 15:06.18 | DeadZergling | I'm normally not even awake until about 10:30 or so, but appointments in the morning have me fucked over at the moment |
| 15:07.18 | anarch | im in EST timezone so it's later here for me |
| 15:07.27 | DeadZergling | aye, 10:07 ? |
| 15:07.55 | anarch | yep |
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| 15:43.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:38.30 | JademusSreg | I enjoy how Marvel's fictional Hydra has become an accessible representation of the threat posed by an unchecked global military production/service industry. |
| 16:38.58 | JademusSreg | And stuff. |
| 17:02.50 | anarch | yay for the military industrial complex =( |
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| 18:08.18 | anarch | hey arcane |
| 18:14.20 | ArcanePariah | Good.. morning? |
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| 18:23.38 | anarch | good afternoon for me :D |
| 18:27.37 | ArcanePariah | hehehe :D |
| 18:27.54 | ArcanePariah | And what glorious part of planet earth do you hail from? |
| 18:31.35 | anarch | east coast, USA |
| 18:31.36 | anarch | and yourself? |
| 18:35.13 | ArcanePariah | SoCal |
| 18:37.06 | ArcanePariah | and ouch, I hope you are out of the way of the brutal weather? |
| 19:06.29 | JademusSreg | Icicles hang from my creeping moss(?) rose. |
| 19:10.59 | anarch | ArcanePariah: NEGATIVE... |
| 19:11.03 | anarch | caps locks, sorry |
| 19:11.13 | anarch | but yea, negative degree weather =( |
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| 19:43.48 | ArcanePariah | Ouch |
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| 19:51.05 | pirate | CASC coming to d3 |
| 19:51.11 | ArcanePariah | Oh? |
| 19:51.20 | ArcanePariah | Just announced I presume? |
| 19:51.30 | pirate | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/17989719 |
| 19:51.31 | pirate | ye |
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| 20:13.51 | DeadZergling_ | well that's odd, thought I logged the other DZ out |
| 20:15.06 | DeadZergling | or I am just incredibly forgetful and forgot I did this 9 mins ago |
| 20:15.33 | DeadZergling | Anesthetic altering my thinking today apparently |
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| 21:02.08 | DeadZergling | so quiet in here, others must have started using teamviewer, Dustin_Hendricks :P |
| 21:08.21 | Dustin_Hendricks | lolol |
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| 21:10.42 | qumanhawk | Q: Does anyone know how to properly use the Heroes of the storm terrain in sc2? |
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| 21:50.37 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/manvsgame |
| 21:50.49 | Bounty | He's been fighting this boss for weeks |
| 21:51.03 | Bounty | Game is made by the guy who made "I Wanna Be the Boshy" lol |
| 22:02.33 | DeadZergling | man who sits around for weeks playing a game of purely anime sailor girls? |
| 22:35.05 | anarch | hello |
| 22:43.01 | Dustin|Work | hi |
| 22:43.12 | anarch | hi dustin |
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| 22:52.32 | Dustin|Work | hows it going |
| 22:54.37 | anarch | good, and you? |
| 23:03.56 | Dustin|Work | Not too bad, wish I wasnt at work :( |
| 23:07.41 | anarch | i just recently arrived home from work :) |
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| 23:16.02 | DeadZergling | what I sent you may not work, but the point was so you could see the logic |
| 23:16.05 | anarch | sequence* |
| 23:16.56 | DeadZergling | okay, so there is the ability, and a weapon |
| 23:17.13 | DeadZergling | the ability creates and targets the no draw units |
| 23:17.14 | DeadZergling | the weapon takes them out |
| 23:18.02 | DeadZergling | don't worry about the create persistent part of the ability too much |
| 23:18.19 | DeadZergling | but basically, it creates a no draw unit far away, in your case it'd be a target |
| 23:18.25 | Dustin|Work | What kind of ability are you making |
| 23:19.01 | DeadZergling | Dustin|Work: , he wants to make a tank turret able to attack ground |
| 23:19.06 | anarch | imagine a tank in siege mode, it presses the ability button, then click anywhere on the map. the tank's turret turns to point in that direction |
| 23:19.17 | DeadZergling | and spin the turret accordingly |
| 23:20.25 | Dustin|Work | Ahh hmmm |
| 23:20.48 | anarch | so the ability seems to trigger a set effect, which spawns the unit and triggers a missile launch effect, which targets the point that the unit is spawned at. |
| 23:21.15 | anarch | can you help me understand this launch effect? |
| 23:21.26 | anarch | for instance, why does it have an ammo unit? |
| 23:22.05 | DeadZergling | because launch missile tends to need that? |
| 23:23.07 | anarch | so i guess it's just an invisible projectile unit that flies at the no-draw target unit? |
| 23:23.24 | DeadZergling | well hopefully I didn't just resign here, decided to give teamviewer a whirl |
| 23:23.40 | anarch | best of luck to you! |
| 23:24.04 | DeadZergling | so what part isn't making sense to you anarch |
| 23:24.09 | DeadZergling | I'll look at it with you in a way |
| 23:24.17 | anarch | alright |
| 23:24.52 | anarch | i am trying to take it 1 step at a time. looking at the ability, it begins by activating the set effect. and it spawns a unit on the point that the ability is clicked. it also seems to call this launch missile effect, and im not sure why exactly. |
| 23:25.09 | anarch | i am guessing it is commanding the turret to shoot an invisible missile at the tank's target no-draw unit |
| 23:25.36 | DeadZergling | oh no, that is a real missile |
| 23:25.43 | DeadZergling | that is saying, shoot the shot you saw in the video |
| 23:26.20 | anarch | so that entire effect would be unneccessary for my application, yes? |
| 23:26.24 | DeadZergling | for your purposes, you can ignore that missile |
| 23:26.30 | anarch | ok |
| 23:26.33 | anarch | that makes it more clear |
| 23:26.40 | anarch | i will continue following the chain of effects. |
| 23:27.00 | DeadZergling | after create tankgunnertarget |
| 23:27.05 | DeadZergling | is where you really have to pay attention |
| 23:27.15 | anarch | yes |
| 23:27.37 | anarch | so i see you set spawn owner as hostile |
| 23:27.41 | DeadZergling | it applies a behavior on the target |
| 23:27.46 | anarch | does that make the spawn unit hostile to the player, or just the tank? |
| 23:27.48 | DeadZergling | right, is for player 15 |
| 23:28.00 | DeadZergling | makes it an ally to the tank :) |
| 23:28.10 | DeadZergling | all the enemies are player 15 |
| 23:28.33 | anarch | ok so this is spawning the tank target, and setting it as enemy to the player. |
| 23:29.04 | DeadZergling | yea, it isn't really important |
| 23:29.26 | anarch | i see where it specifies which unit is spawned. i also see that it runs an effect on the spawned unit |
| 23:29.40 | anarch | target start |
| 23:29.48 | anarch | which apparently is applying a behavior |
| 23:30.22 | anarch | so it's applying this behavior to the tankTarget unit? |
| 23:30.28 | anarch | not the actual tank, yes? |
| 23:31.23 | DeadZergling | right, to the target |
| 23:31.38 | anarch | ok and this is apparently where the effect chain ends, so i will go over to the behavior and check that out. |
| 23:31.40 | DeadZergling | by the way, this isn't the only way to achieve this, this is just the way I did, lol |
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| 23:31.50 | anarch | thats fine. |
| 23:31.52 | DeadZergling | no, it continues |
| 23:31.59 | anarch | oh? |
| 23:32.08 | DeadZergling | the behavior triggers OrderTankGunnerAttack effect |
| 23:32.52 | DeadZergling | this is telling the weapon to attack that unit |
| 23:32.54 | DeadZergling | and spin |
| 23:33.35 | DeadZergling | the weapon just applies a behavior with initial effect suicide though |
| 23:33.45 | DeadZergling | you could easily modify it to also incorporate some AE attack |
| 23:34.43 | DeadZergling | but yea, that applying of behavior and issuing order to attack |
| 23:34.52 | DeadZergling | that is the part that really matters |
| 23:34.56 | anarch | if the behavior is being applied to the tanktarget... |
| 23:35.07 | anarch | wouldn't this effect be ordering the tanktarget to attack, rather than the tank? |
| 23:35.24 | DeadZergling | is hard to explain, but it is easier to have 2 units know about each other in an effect chain if they share a behavior somehow |
| 23:35.35 | DeadZergling | please look at the issue order effect |
| 23:35.41 | DeadZergling | it will tell you everything you need to know |
| 23:36.10 | anarch | i see... it appears that since this is part of the same effect chain, i can use "Caster" to still refer to the original tank |
| 23:36.28 | DeadZergling | exactly, and it lets me use source to refer to the target |
| 23:38.20 | anarch | it seems to validate that the target is a tanktarget, and it says value "Caster", does this refer to the alignment of the tanktarget, i.e. owned by the player? |
| 23:38.26 | DeadZergling | so if I get yelled at for this one I'm not going to blame you Dustin|Work , but I'm certainly pointing a nasty finger at you for a bit |
| 23:39.14 | DeadZergling | is just validating the unit is in fact a tanktarget |
| 23:39.29 | anarch | oh, i see |
| 23:39.39 | Dustin|Work | Hey, I dont control your companys stick up their ass regarding VNC software :P |
| 23:39.39 | DeadZergling | so the tank isn't doing bad things like canceling out the entire map instantly |
| 23:39.45 | anarch | Caster refers to the unit which needs to be validated... |
| 23:40.10 | DeadZergling | the caster part is probably unnecessary, lol |
| 23:40.18 | anarch | question though |
| 23:40.27 | anarch | if i have 5 tanks all next to eachother |
| 23:40.31 | anarch | and one of them uses this ability |
| 23:40.41 | anarch | will they not all attempt to lockon and target the tanktarget? |
| 23:40.54 | DeadZergling | well that is part of the trick |
| 23:40.59 | DeadZergling | the unit is their ally |
| 23:41.04 | DeadZergling | so they won't target it purposely |
| 23:41.45 | DeadZergling | otherwise they'd all turn to go after it immediately |
| 23:41.47 | DeadZergling | I didn't want that |
| 23:41.54 | anarch | me either |
| 23:42.02 | anarch | ok this is tarting to make sense finally |
| 23:42.06 | anarch | thanks for all the help |
| 23:42.17 | DeadZergling | no problem, like I said, this one took me 2-3 days to figure out myself |
| 23:42.25 | DeadZergling | so it being confusing, makes sense :) |
| 23:42.31 | anarch | :) |
| 23:43.35 | DeadZergling | anyways, I'm off to play ping pong for awhile |
| 23:43.43 | anarch | sounds fun, see ya :D |
| 23:43.58 | DeadZergling | your solution might end up looking rather different in some ways, just fyi |
| 23:44.08 | anarch | ok |
| 23:44.08 | DeadZergling | like you may want them to keep attacking the ground until told to stop, for example |
| 23:44.32 | DeadZergling | I can help you figure that one out if you like, but later :) |
| 23:44.35 | anarch | ill worry about that stuff once i accomplish the basics :D |
| 23:44.38 | anarch | alright |
| 23:44.40 | anarch | thanks again zergling |
| 23:52.01 | Bounty | Enjoy this DeadZergling lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8Kr8porl4&feature=youtu.be |
