| 00:13.39 | DeadZergling | damn 3ds max, trying to move around my terrain like i'm in it now, lol |
| 00:39.48 | draktok | Damn |
| 00:39.54 | draktok | renee's ankh of reincarnation doesn't work |
| 00:39.58 | draktok | I don't know how to fix it quite ... |
| 01:36.27 | draktok | bunch of random items don't work in renee's mod |
| 01:36.33 | draktok | i have to fix like the most random things she looked over xD |
| 01:56.55 | Bounty | I think I'm about to buy Project Diva for Vita |
| 01:56.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:20.06 | draktok | never heard of it |
| 02:20.10 | draktok | sounds bratz related, bounty |
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| 02:46.05 | anarch | hello |
| 04:18.28 | draktok | hello |
| 04:41.07 | anarch | hi draktok |
| 04:41.14 | draktok | how're u |
| 04:41.17 | anarch | good, and you? |
| 04:42.36 | anarch | you wouldnt happen to be a galaxy editor guru, would you? |
| 04:52.13 | draktok | i'm |
| 04:52.14 | draktok | mediocre |
| 04:52.19 | anarch | =( |
| 04:52.21 | draktok | but, i do okay work :p |
| 04:52.34 | draktok | You can shoot the question and i will see if i know the answer, sometimes i do |
| 04:52.35 | anarch | can i ask a question and if you don't know then that's ok? :D |
| 04:52.58 | anarch | ok, so the default marine attack has a simple damage effect on the weapon... |
| 04:52.59 | draktok | yes |
| 04:53.55 | anarch | i have edited this, so that the weapon activates a "switch" effect, which depending on a validator, either activates it's defaul damage, OR it will activate a "set" effect, which has a % chance of activating the default damage effect. |
| 04:54.12 | draktok | ok |
| 04:54.14 | anarch | so basically a validator creates a condition underwhich the unit has a chance to miss it's target |
| 04:54.17 | anarch | this works fine. |
| 04:54.30 | anarch | the problem is, the marine's attack animation and sound only plays when it actually successfully hit's it's target. |
| 04:54.45 | anarch | do you know how to make it's launch sound and animation play when it attacks even if it misses? |
| 04:55.13 | anarch | i did this with the stalker by editing it's attack actor, nd adjusting it's effect token.... |
| 04:55.22 | anarch | but since the marine attack is instance, it seems to work differently. |
| 04:55.48 | draktok | let me open my map for reference to see if i can better answer |
| 04:55.57 | anarch | thank you for looking in to it :) |
| 04:56.58 | draktok | what is your miss chance? |
| 04:57.33 | anarch | the hit chance is 0.63 so i guess miss chance would be 37% |
| 04:58.06 | draktok | ok, just curious, because you can randomize using effect / randomize based on what the % is without a validator but |
| 04:58.34 | draktok | basically it sounds like the effect to shoot doesn't have an actor tied to it, sound or launch, when you click the 'miss' effect you created, does it have any actors attached? |
| 04:59.09 | draktok | for example, the marine 'gauss rifle' damage has a handful of sound and actors attached to it |
| 04:59.49 | anarch | i am not farmiliar with how to adjust that stuff. i figured since my effect chain would stil end with the marine's damage then it would still work out ok. |
| 05:00.03 | anarch | but i suppose perhaps the marine's attack launch sound is part of the damage effect somehow? |
| 05:00.50 | draktok | well, the effect specifically tied in has the sounds attached to it if i remember correctly |
| 05:00.57 | draktok | so when you create a new effect, it has no actors attached to it |
| 05:01.55 | draktok | im trying to remember how to do it to tell you fast :) |
| 05:02.01 | anarch | i believe the way you attach the models/sounds to the effect is through the action actor. it lets you set up effects sort of like triggers which play animations or sounds |
| 05:02.44 | anarch | and the action actor specifically has slots fo launch and impact sounds and animations |
| 05:03.02 | draktok | so try this |
| 05:03.09 | draktok | you may have to hit undo if it does not work |
| 05:03.16 | draktok | go to the actor tab, search marine |
| 05:03.18 | anarch | no problem |
| 05:03.21 | anarch | yep |
| 05:03.24 | draktok | find his attack actor, right click and hit duplicate |
| 05:03.38 | draktok | on the bottom right, of the copy, it will still say "marine gauss rifle" |
| 05:03.40 | anarch | actually his gun has its own actor |
| 05:03.43 | anarch | the marine attack actor |
| 05:03.45 | draktok | change it to your new "miss" effect |
| 05:03.48 | anarch | which has his shooting animation and sounds |
| 05:03.48 | draktok | and see if that solves problem :) |
| 05:03.56 | draktok | when you hit duplicate, duplicate all of it |
| 05:04.03 | anarch | ok |
| 05:04.09 | draktok | because you still want everything to exist on the miss, besides maybe, blood on the target ;P |
| 05:04.10 | anarch | ill see how it works xD |
| 05:04.57 | draktok | but just duplicate the entire actor and his sounds and such, go to bottom right hand corner and change the effect it's attached to, and i think it will work as you intend :) |
| 05:05.33 | anarch | change the attack token? |
| 05:05.43 | anarch | i mean Attack Effect token |
| 05:10.35 | draktok | sorry i closed the map |
| 05:10.39 | anarch | thats ok |
| 05:10.47 | draktok | is that what still has marine gauss rifle listed in the bottom right? is attack token? |
| 05:10.52 | anarch | yea |
| 05:10.58 | draktok | ye change that to your effect |
| 05:11.03 | draktok | marine guass miss rifle or w/e |
| 05:16.14 | draktok | did it work or no anarch ;D |
| 05:16.37 | anarch | it seems to only play the sound and animation when it lands a successful hit. im doing some experiments to try to solve it |
| 05:16.51 | anarch | i tink i may need to edit the events |
| 05:16.55 | anarch | think* |
| 05:17.01 | draktok | maybe |
| 05:17.07 | draktok | i was hoping to keep it easy by duping |
| 05:17.08 | draktok | haha! |
| 05:17.22 | draktok | then, you are boned, because i never create an effect like that :) |
| 05:17.34 | anarch | damn :( |
| 05:19.22 | draktok | i am on the ptr client doing things with the warcraft assets blizzard gave us |
| 05:19.37 | draktok | and for what i am creating, a lot of things have been done already, so i don't have to mess with things like that :) |
| 05:19.56 | anarch | what are you creating? |
| 05:21.14 | draktok | Did you ever play rabbits VS sheep on wc3? |
| 05:21.33 | anarch | no |
| 05:21.37 | anarch | i played lots of BW |
| 05:21.39 | anarch | not as much war3 |
| 05:22.08 | ArcanePariah | Hello anarch |
| 05:22.16 | draktok | ah, well, essentially, it's a game mode of heroes in 1 of 2 arena's, killing rabbits or sheep (they attack you) |
| 05:22.21 | ArcanePariah | I may be able to assist you |
| 05:22.22 | draktok | for every 1you kill, it spawns 2 for the other team |
| 05:22.38 | draktok | Arcane knows more than i, so you don't have to try and cheese dupe ;) |
| 05:23.01 | anarch | hello ArcanePariah |
| 05:23.22 | anarch | heh i appreciate your help anyway drakok |
| 05:23.24 | anarch | :) |
| 05:23.42 | ArcanePariah | If I understand you correctly, you wish the default animation to play, even though the damage effect never executes (ie miss)? |
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| 05:24.27 | anarch | yes. the attack animation, and the "launch sound". however, the impact sound should only play when a hit succeeds (the damage effect happens) |
| 05:25.02 | anarch | normally with instant attacks it's difficult to tell the difference between launch and impact sounds because they blend together |
| 05:25.06 | anarch | but there is a difference |
| 05:25.44 | ArcanePariah | Yes, mainly because the locations for both are on the same screen. If they were not, you would be able to tell more easily. |
| 05:27.24 | draktok | Arcane is there a way to disable a trigger in a mod that i have listed as a depency? |
| 05:27.29 | draktok | dependency * |
| 05:27.38 | anarch | currently, the animation, launch sound, and impact sound all play when the hit succeeds. but when the hit misses, none of them work |
| 05:27.51 | ArcanePariah | To make it so everything plays regardless of hit, change the effect in the Action Actor under the Attack token to the Switch effect you have defined. |
| 05:28.14 | anarch | i believe i have tried this but i am going to do that and double check everything. |
| 05:28.16 | ArcanePariah | Then we will do the adjustments to restrict impact to only play when the unit is actually hit. |
| 05:28.21 | anarch | oh ok |
| 05:29.17 | ArcanePariah | draktok: You will want to run the trigger action "Turn Trigger On/Off" at map intialization |
| 05:29.25 | draktok | thx |
| 05:29.26 | ArcanePariah | And select the trigger you want disabled. |
| 05:29.28 | anarch | ok so far the marine attack action actor is default, except i changed the attack effect token to my marine attack switch |
| 05:29.29 | draktok | yes |
| 05:30.08 | anarch | so if i were to play it like this, it will only play the sounds and animation when it lands a hit successfully. |
| 05:31.05 | ArcanePariah | No, this will have it play regardless. |
| 05:31.20 | ArcanePariah | There is further modifications we will make. |
| 05:31.40 | anarch | let me test to be sure... |
| 05:32.54 | anarch | it only plays on successful hit. perhaps i need to add an event or something? |
| 05:33.05 | anarch | i have skype and can share my screen if that would be helpful for you |
| 05:33.11 | anarch | i mean, i dont have the microphone |
| 05:33.16 | anarch | but i can use it to share my screen |
| 05:34.06 | anarch | i think it has something to do with the events, the actor may be only created on the guass rifle damage effect |
| 05:34.16 | anarch | but i dont know enough abotu the events to know if that is for sure the problem. |
| 05:34.44 | anarch | when he misses, the gun shakes |
| 05:34.48 | anarch | but no fire comes out, no sound effect |
| 05:36.42 | draktok | Hey ArcanePariah |
| 05:36.45 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
| 05:37.03 | ArcanePariah | Yes, we can do screen sharing, give me a minute. |
| 05:37.12 | anarch | no problem, take your time |
| 05:37.15 | draktok | I don't think i can use "turn trigger on/off" because the trigger is in a mod that is just listed as a dependency for my map, so i don't have access to it's trigger library |
| 05:37.19 | anarch | i appreciate you looking in to it for me |
| 05:37.32 | draktok | so, i can't select the trigger from the list. |
| 05:38.20 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, if it has been marked internal, then yes, it can not be seen/altered outside of that library. |
| 05:38.33 | draktok | well the library is open |
| 05:38.43 | draktok | er, rather |
| 05:38.44 | draktok | the mod is |
| 05:39.00 | draktok | so, i can open the mod, i see the trigger i don't want, and i can disable it, but i don't know how to use my modification as a dependcy |
| 05:39.08 | draktok | do i have to upload my own "version' of the mod? |
| 05:39.17 | ArcanePariah | Yes, you will need to |
| 05:39.20 | draktok | Eff |
| 05:39.26 | draktok | Battle.net keeps saying failure / error |
| 05:39.30 | draktok | i've tried that like 6 times xD |
| 05:39.41 | anarch | it should give you some kind of more detailed error message |
| 05:40.11 | draktok | "there was a temporary error in your request, please try again in a few minutes" |
| 05:40.17 | draktok | same error i've gotten a dozen times now in last hour |
| 05:40.33 | ArcanePariah | It is possible B.net is puking, it happens from time to time. |
| 05:40.38 | draktok | i am on ptr |
| 05:40.40 | draktok | so i could see that |
| 05:40.46 | ArcanePariah | Oh |
| 05:40.55 | ArcanePariah | Have you ever signed into the ptr yet? |
| 05:41.05 | ArcanePariah | Like, through the normal game client? |
| 05:41.09 | draktok | well, then for now that bug that is created by his trigger bugs me so much, that i will not continue to work until battlenet is fixed because it is bugging me xD |
| 05:41.21 | draktok | Yep i've got my map published private already to test lobby |
| 05:41.25 | ArcanePariah | Ahh |
| 05:41.27 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 05:42.20 | draktok | renee set a trigger to stop abilities from hitting more than a 'max' unit and the projectile just dies if it hits to many |
| 05:42.34 | draktok | but on my map where there is 1-300 units, and your trigger stops the ability at 6 units, well it's useless :p |
| 05:42.51 | draktok | and makes a handful of heroes not heroes xD |
| 05:43.02 | DeadZergling | you won't continue to work until battlenet is fixed? guess you are canceling your project then |
| 05:43.40 | draktok | its true |
| 05:43.40 | draktok | ;) |
| 05:44.00 | draktok | no, but, it is frustrating when renee sets something as a trigger that could have been done in data |
| 05:44.06 | draktok | abliet easier in trigger, now i can't modify it |
| 05:44.20 | draktok | and now i will have to keep my own backup of her abilities mod to change what i want to change xD |
| 05:44.51 | DeadZergling | yea, I just grab what I need and drop the mod for that reason, I don't trust others |
| 05:45.46 | draktok | meh the thing is renee is doing a lot of the legwork so i dont' have to as a result so i dont want to drop the mod until it's in a "finished" state |
| 05:45.54 | draktok | otherwise, i'm only copying a some what working mod |
| 05:46.57 | draktok | but, doesn't matter anyways, because this stupid uploader keeps failing |
| 05:46.59 | draktok | i give up, goodnight |
| 05:47.18 | DeadZergling | uploader failing huh, how so? |
| 05:47.38 | draktok | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.08 | DeadZergling | means keep trying every so often until it works, that error, lol |
| 05:48.35 | draktok | yeah |
| 05:48.38 | draktok | one hour of it, i give up |
| 05:48.40 | draktok | i will try tomorrow |
| 05:48.51 | draktok | "connection to publishing service has been interrupted" |
| 05:48.56 | draktok | hm that seems worse, now i'm really over it |
| 05:49.01 | DeadZergling | glad I published my stuff last night then |
| 05:49.14 | DeadZergling | must be other data stuff you can do in the meantime |
| 05:50.02 | draktok | yes, always is, but , i am too tired to think about creating dialogs ... besides, how difficult do you think it would be to have a dialog that counts units in a region and displays that number dynamically? can't be too hard right? i've never created a dialog box before |
| 05:50.44 | DeadZergling | not too hard, making it look decent, that is where most find the difficulty |
| 05:51.19 | draktok | meh, it doesn't need to be too pretty, only this "Sheep: # Rabbits: #" |
| 05:51.29 | draktok | because, you lose the game if too many sheep or rabbits are in your arena |
| 05:51.45 | draktok | but i will need to find a tutorial for it, i don't know how to begin :) |
| 05:51.54 | DeadZergling | yea.... you've seen how stupid good looking they make those look in professional sports right? lol |
| 05:52.04 | draktok | well |
| 05:52.13 | draktok | yeah |
| 05:52.21 | draktok | but, at least they are paid for it :p |
| 05:52.30 | draktok | if i was paid, maybe i'd make it look pretty |
| 06:54.30 | DeadZergling | anyone happen to recall the flag or whatever that makes a unit unable to be selected by using a drag box? |
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| 14:08.32 | anarch | hello] |
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| 16:06.54 | Zolden | TwoDie it's gonna be fun now |
| 16:06.56 | Zolden | prepare! |
| 16:08.54 | TwoDie | i started getting fun on saturday |
| 16:09.07 | TwoDie | got my knew stretched |
| 16:09.18 | TwoDie | KNEEE |
| 16:09.31 | TwoDie | so now cant walk |
| 16:10.05 | TwoDie | now only if i could spend that time better |
| 16:10.08 | TwoDie | sitting here |
| 16:10.15 | Zolden | you won't need your knee for the this |
| 16:10.38 | Zolden | TwoDie http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/75458-weekly-terraining-exercise-194-the-void |
| 16:10.44 | Zolden | Goa_ too |
| 16:12.09 | TwoDie | WTF |
| 16:12.16 | TwoDie | NSFW |
| 16:18.39 | Goa_ | Zolden best post ever |
| 16:20.59 | Zolden | oh yea |
| 16:30.00 | anarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.26 | anarch | specifically i have converted the marines simple damage effect in to a simple effect chain of ~3 effects, so the weapon now executes Guass Rifle (Switch) instead of damage... |
| 16:30.43 | TwoDie | http://i.imgur.com/6POjtmO.jpg |
| 16:30.53 | anarch | i am looking to convert the marine attack actor so that the attack animation and sound plays on the switch effect, and the impact sound animation plays on the damage effect |
| 16:31.26 | anarch | despite my best efforts, i have been unsucessful |
| 16:31.29 | anarch | does anyone have any insights? |
| 16:35.02 | Zolden | anarch what switch effect do? |
| 16:35.52 | Zolden | TwoDie who is that and waht is she trying to achieve with those manipulations? |
| 16:36.16 | TwoDie | some film scene |
| 16:36.28 | TwoDie | idk else much |
| 16:37.36 | TwoDie | kinda cool now every model isnt safe with this Talor Mouse tool. just looked into Triceron models |
| 16:37.45 | anarch | Zolden: the effect chain is as follows: |
| 16:38.32 | anarch | weapon -> Switch effect -> according to validator, if it's target is on equal or lower terrain, apply the standard marine damage effect, if the target is on higher terrain, then apply the Wrapper effec |
| 16:38.33 | Zolden | TwoDie that larva model you gave me 2 days ago, was it simply imported with TM tool? |
| 16:38.48 | anarch | Wrapper effect then applies standard marine damage effect with a 63% chance to hit |
| 16:39.11 | TwoDie | zolden yes |
| 16:39.14 | TwoDie | or not? |
| 16:39.19 | TwoDie | it should be |
| 16:39.29 | Zolden | TwoDie that model has a leak of quality |
| 16:39.32 | Zolden | i'll report to TM |
| 16:39.43 | anarch | the problem is that the marine attack actor is only playing the attack animation and sound when it successfully hits, presumably when it detects the damage effect successfully applied/activated |
| 16:39.44 | Zolden | there's no smoothing between 2 mirrored parts of the model |
| 16:39.45 | TwoDie | what u seen there??> |
| 16:40.36 | Zolden | anarch the easiest way is to replace the switch with a set, that would contain your switch and a dummy damage (amaount = 0) |
| 16:40.54 | Zolden | then use that dummy as action actor's attack effect |
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| 16:41.08 | Zolden | TwoDie also, some anims looked fucked |
| 16:41.35 | TwoDie | isnt prefect for sure |
| 16:41.48 | TwoDie | but with some dicks slaping something possible to do |
| 16:42.22 | Zolden | yes, but I report |
| 16:42.34 | Zolden | the guy seems to be good at that, can make the tool perefect |
| 16:44.16 | anarch | Zolden: can the set contain simply the switch? does it have to contain a dummy damage? |
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| 16:46.49 | anarch | hi arcane |
| 16:46.59 | Zolden | anarch my practice says, that it's better to use damage as a trigger of the action actor. Other effects may not work. And I suspect, that some effects may not handle the impact correctly. |
| 16:47.20 | Zolden | you can try to use a pure set, it has a chance to work |
| 16:47.39 | anarch | ArcanePariah: i found this regarding the actor tokens |
| 16:47.40 | anarch | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/actors/token/ |
| 16:47.52 | anarch | interestingly, it specifically mentions the marines attack token |
| 16:52.22 | ArcanePariah | Good morning. That article is mostly correct. Tokens are simply elements that are substituted in, where they are defined in the XML. THey are buggy in that the type restriction thing doesn't always work. |
| 16:54.49 | anarch | since ive been working on this, i went and did the same thign with the marauder, however, with that one i had no trouble getting everything to work because i didnt have to mess with the actor at alol, isnce launch was the same set effect, and impact was still the damage effect.. so all of my modifications happened in the middle of the effect chain |
| 16:54.58 | anarch | i only seem to have problems with the instant attacks like marine or immortal |
| 16:57.07 | anarch | i notice that the marine only uses the attack effect token, however, marauder and stalker (ones with projectiles) have a launch effect and impact effect token instead |
| 16:57.28 | anarch | i believe since its an instant attack, the marine's animations and sounds are all linked to the 1 damage effect |
| 16:57.44 | anarch | which is different than the projectile units, which have separate launch and impact animation/douns triggers |
| 16:58.06 | anarch | and because of this, the projectile units have no difficulty coverting to my new weapon, but the instant weapons such as marine do have difficulty |
| 17:11.34 | ArcanePariah | anarch, I have a suggestion for you, in order to get what you want. |
| 17:11.41 | anarch | sure |
| 17:12.31 | ArcanePariah | This is going to be a bit... weird. And I'm somewhat thinking on the go. |
| 17:12.53 | ArcanePariah | Let me back and up and explain a specific concept first. |
| 17:13.02 | anarch | alright |
| 17:14.11 | ArcanePariah | Normally, validators prevent effects from happening if they fail. Pretty normal. However, there is a special interaction if the effect is the first one in an effect chain (like the effect you list on the weapon). When a validator here fails, the effect doen't even try, and it is called root validation. So if the validator fails, the unit won't even try to attack. |
| 17:15.32 | ArcanePariah | So what we will do is the following: Have the marine use his normal damage effect, but have a validator in the damage effect checking for the cliff level being equal or lower. |
| 17:15.46 | ArcanePariah | So revert the weapon back to normal, and add this validator to the damage effect. |
| 17:16.32 | ArcanePariah | Now, create a second weapon, that is hidden. This weapon will use a duplicate but different damage effect. For it, have a validator specifying that the target must be above you. |
| 17:17.13 | ArcanePariah | And finally, to mimic your miss chance for weapon, give it a critical damage chance. And for the critcal effect, use a dummy damage effect that does 0 damage. |
| 17:17.46 | ArcanePariah | (And yes this will involve creating new action actors for all of these, we can duplicate the marine attack or modify it to accomdate all of this) |
| 17:19.08 | ArcanePariah | And if all of the things I said don't make sense, don't worry, I was somewhat inventing this off the top of my head. |
| 17:19.15 | anarch | weapon has been reverted, i am in the default damage effect looking for a way to add a validator |
| 17:19.28 | ArcanePariah | Usually at the bottom. |
| 17:19.42 | ArcanePariah | All effects have a validator field |
| 17:19.49 | anarch | alright |
| 17:19.51 | anarch | 1 moment |
| 17:20.01 | ArcanePariah | Which is always an array, validators are always taken as logical AND |
| 17:20.11 | ArcanePariah | ie, all must be true for it to pass. |
| 17:20.26 | ArcanePariah | I'm going to assume you know basic logic (OR, AND, NOT) |
| 17:21.00 | ArcanePariah | If you don't terribly mind, I'll do a mini side topic logic trick. |
| 17:21.21 | anarch | sure, sounds good |
| 17:21.26 | ArcanePariah | If you ever run into some complicated logic statement, you can always simplify them with a couple of rules |
| 17:21.31 | anarch | i am farmiliar with logic, and some programming |
| 17:21.33 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 17:21.35 | ArcanePariah | Good |
| 17:21.48 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow. A AND NOT A = False |
| 17:21.58 | ArcanePariah | A OR NOT A = True |
| 17:22.10 | ArcanePariah | So you can use that to remove some complexity. |
| 17:22.34 | ArcanePariah | Here is the fun trick, and if my explaination here fails, you can look it up, iti s called Demorgans law. |
| 17:22.46 | ArcanePariah | A AND B = NOT (NOT A OR NOT B) |
| 17:23.39 | ArcanePariah | If you have 2 logical things (A, B) and some operator (AND, OR), you can negate each thing, change the operator and negate the whole thing. They are logically equalivalent. |
| 17:24.28 | ArcanePariah | So if you are ever thinking "I want this to be false when thing 1 is false and thing 2 is false" that is the same as saying you want it to be true when both are true. |
| 17:25.32 | anarch | ok well lets put this in to a practical context, for example, i have a validator called 'direct shot' which returns true when shooting air units, colossus, or units on an equal or lower terrain level |
| 17:25.41 | anarch | the first weapon has this validator and performs normal damage functions. |
| 17:25.53 | anarch | now how exactly can i make the second weapon "not direct shot" |
| 17:26.16 | anarch | should i make a new validator and break it down individually. "not air unit, not colossus, is on higher ground" |
| 17:27.33 | ArcanePariah | Yes. there is a Combine validator. |
| 17:27.44 | anarch | alright, thats what 'direct shot' is |
| 17:27.51 | anarch | so i can create a 'not direct shot' |
| 17:28.36 | ArcanePariah | In that case, you can create that rather directly. Most validators have the option to negate themselves. |
| 17:28.49 | ArcanePariah | For air units, you will want a Unit Filter validator |
| 17:29.07 | ArcanePariah | For checking collossus, you will want Unit Type validator |
| 17:29.17 | ArcanePariah | And terrain level, I believe you already have. |
| 17:29.35 | ArcanePariah | You will add all of these validators to the combine validator and use the OR |
| 17:30.09 | anarch | ok i see |
| 17:30.20 | anarch | so if any of those cases is true, it would return true, negated is false... |
| 17:30.27 | anarch | so it's false in the case of any individual case is true |
| 17:31.01 | anarch | sorry, that sounded a lot more confusing than i meant it to |
| 17:32.23 | ArcanePariah | Well, in your case, you want to do it directly, no need to use the trick, because it will not simplify things here. |
| 17:32.52 | anarch | alright, i have the validators all set up... the standard weapon shoots when direct shot is true |
| 17:33.06 | anarch | the uphill damage shoots when the direct shot is not true |
| 17:33.11 | anarch | well |
| 17:33.23 | anarch | i mean, the second weapon is set up with a not direct shot validator |
| 17:33.26 | anarch | my question now is... |
| 17:33.58 | anarch | If I add the second weapon to the marine, he will automatically choose the correct one to use? based on his target? and how can i make it a 'hidden' weapon? |
| 17:34.28 | anarch | because i believe your intention is that the dummy weapon shoots at guys uphill, and the standard weapon handles all direct shots |
| 17:34.38 | ArcanePariah | He will use the correct one, becuase the validator will prevent him from using the other one. As for making it hidden, there is a flag. |
| 17:34.45 | anarch | ok |
| 17:34.53 | anarch | trying this now. |
| 17:35.10 | ArcanePariah | And yes, the first weapon handles direct shots. The second weapon handles shooting up hill. |
| 17:36.02 | ArcanePariah | And as for what we are doing, Blizzard did the same for Hydras. This is how they play different animations when firing at ranged enemies vs melee. Hydras have a hidden weapon and a different action actor linked to it. |
| 17:36.11 | ArcanePariah | Roaches are the same. |
| 17:36.26 | ArcanePariah | So if you examine them, you can get an idea for what we are doing. |
| 17:38.16 | anarch | ok the weapons are working correctly, the miss chance applies to uphill targets. no sound or animations play for that weapon |
| 17:38.31 | anarch | i am assuming we can someone copy the normal action actor and stick it to the dummy weapon as well? |
| 17:39.51 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 17:40.23 | anarch | this is my weak point. xD |
| 17:40.37 | anarch | these actors. |
| 17:41.05 | anarch | so do you want me to attempt to duplicate the marine attack actor and then switch it's token to the dummy damage? |
| 17:47.29 | anarch | be back in a bit |
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| 21:17.08 | anarch | still no luck |
| 21:17.12 | anarch | :[ |
| 21:18.29 | Zolden | anarch did you try to do what I said? |
| 21:19.38 | anarch | yes but i will revist that idea. basically the concept was using a different effect as the starting effect because sometimes ones like switch may not trigger properly, correct?? |
| 21:25.39 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:41.51 | DeadZergling | I see you are posting more bad pics Zolden, lol |
| 21:51.18 | Zolden | yep :) |
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| 23:03.15 | DeadZergling | you see this yet Zolden ? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/74893-sc2mapster-hero/?unread |
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| 23:56.46 | draktok | Sup nerds |
| 23:57.49 | DeadZergling | not much, dweeb |
