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| 00:59.24 | DeadZergling | I miss anything, internet decided to crap out for an hour |
| 01:00.14 | Bounty | nope |
| 01:00.37 | DeadZergling | anyways, you doing any better today Bounty , sounded pretty terrible yesterday |
| 01:01.12 | Bounty | Just slightly twitchy and chest pains today lol |
| 01:01.17 | Bounty | better then yesterday |
| 01:06.39 | DeadZergling | that's good, yesterday sounded like you were going to be back on the alcohol soon, lol |
| 01:10.57 | Bounty | nah |
| 01:11.13 | Bounty | Would just make it worse lol |
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| 01:18.26 | DeadZergling | Apparently SOE got sold off recently, the end comes soon apparently :) |
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| 02:35.26 | turtles | He-llo party people! |
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| 07:30.44 | TwoDie | torrent sites dying? :s |
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| 09:00.54 | DeadZergling | Well let's not do that again, attempting to find 3ds Max 2011, just found a reason to do repeated virus scans, lol |
| 09:03.49 | DeadZergling | Not sure how, but somehow this is all duckies fault |
| 09:15.45 | TwoDie | fuck ducks! |
| 09:18.22 | DeadZergling | indeed, wonder if zolden has the old install file laying around somewhere, lol |
| 09:25.56 | TwoDie | i have iso |
| 09:27.12 | DeadZergling | I see, does skype or anything like that allow that large of transfer? |
| 09:27.24 | TwoDie | doubt it |
| 09:27.42 | TwoDie | maybe creating ttorret file would help |
| 09:27.45 | TwoDie | if u had such |
| 09:28.11 | DeadZergling | can probably get such if it isn't another virus invitation, lol |
| 09:28.31 | DeadZergling | just got done purging my system from the last few clicks |
| 09:28.58 | TwoDie | dl utorrent |
| 09:53.26 | duckies | I thought anti-viruses detect sowftware cracks as viruses.. |
| 09:54.39 | DeadZergling | a duck told me to allow certain programs to install |
| 09:54.43 | DeadZergling | so it is your fault |
| 09:56.55 | DeadZergling | by the way duckies , wanted to talk to you about Death TV a little |
| 09:57.25 | DeadZergling | I'm trying to figure out how to make the rounds progress faster, but not be ultra laggy or have very few guys |
| 10:01.54 | DeadZergling | I already decreased wave amounts by 20-30 %, boosted their speed and hp slightly, but the game still takes for damn ever, and none of those spikes I know you like |
| 10:06.56 | duckies | okay, I'll put some thouht into that question when I have time later =D |
| 10:07.01 | duckies | busy workday today |
| 10:07.46 | DeadZergling | no problem, just seeing if there is something clever I missed. I could of course just boost the max allowed on screen by 2, make it all much faster |
| 10:07.57 | DeadZergling | but lag is a concern doing that |
| 10:19.19 | turtles | I'm trying to remove a collapsable rock tower without it creating the debris |
| 10:19.53 | turtles | but using remove unit from the game trigger there is a few seconds pause and then the debris appears |
| 10:20.16 | turtles | I've tried removing all the abilities and behaviours on the unit first but it's not that |
| 10:20.53 | turtles | I'm guessing it's something to do with actors? but I how do you remove an actor without it performing its death action? |
| 10:21.21 | DeadZergling | should be a way to remove the unit without killing it |
| 10:21.26 | DeadZergling | it just dissapears |
| 10:22.08 | turtles | there are two triggers "kill unit" and "remove unit from game" |
| 10:22.41 | DeadZergling | try the remove unit one |
| 10:22.54 | turtles | I could swear that remove unit from game used to just make it disapear... but either I was mistaken or there has been a change in a patch because it no longer behaves that way |
| 10:23.09 | turtles | I am using the remove unit one |
| 10:24.36 | DeadZergling | I see, could always hide the unit then kill it |
| 10:24.44 | DeadZergling | or move it to a strange unseeable location to die |
| 10:25.14 | turtles | haha interesting way to handle that |
| 10:25.32 | turtles | but I can't have them accumulating. it might happen many times |
| 10:25.42 | DeadZergling | let me look at the editor, might be a better way |
| 10:25.51 | DeadZergling | many times doesn't matter |
| 10:26.02 | turtles | it would involve having a periodic script removing all of them |
| 10:26.11 | DeadZergling | unless you are doing this for like 500 + units |
| 10:26.15 | DeadZergling | i don't see this causing issues |
| 10:26.24 | DeadZergling | that is, 500 + at ONE .0625 second interval |
| 10:28.22 | turtles | I would rather not do it that way. pretty ugly way around the problem also it's a mod so there are no reliable "unseen locations" |
| 10:28.56 | turtles | and would require periodically checking and removing the area, and players would wonder why rocks keep appearing/disappearing |
| 10:29.35 | DeadZergling | yea, not sure why remove isn't simply removing the unit |
| 10:29.42 | turtles | I think it used to |
| 10:29.48 | DeadZergling | but hide unit then remove unit should have the desired effect, honestly |
| 10:29.53 | turtles | I was doing exactly that a few months ago no problem |
| 10:30.14 | turtles | the debris is a new unit though |
| 10:30.25 | turtles | hiding the tower will not hide the unit it spawns |
| 10:30.36 | turtles | also it will still effect pathing |
| 10:31.11 | DeadZergling | doesn't matter, the hide/remove will happen instaneously |
| 10:33.23 | turtles | nope |
| 10:33.25 | turtles | tried it |
| 10:34.22 | turtles | still a 3 second delay and then a new unit appearing |
| 10:34.38 | DeadZergling | Okay, I'm confused. |
| 10:34.46 | turtles | "collapsed tower debris" or whatever the unit type is called |
| 10:34.53 | DeadZergling | I thought the only issue was you didn't like the death animation playing |
| 10:35.24 | turtles | no, it's that I don't want the debris to appear |
| 10:35.36 | turtles | I want to remove it completely and have a blank slate |
| 10:35.47 | turtles | not remove it and then 3 seconds later rubble appears |
| 10:37.39 | DeadZergling | are you allowed to edit the actor? Pretty sure there is a way to make it not do the death thing at all |
| 10:38.26 | turtles | I want it to behave normally so players can kill it |
| 10:38.43 | turtles | I just want to be able to completely remove it whenever I want to |
| 10:39.00 | DeadZergling | could you just change the death model to be something without rubble? Maybe just a terran medium explosion? |
| 10:39.23 | turtles | you mean through triggers? |
| 10:39.38 | turtles | Or do you mean changing the stuff in data? |
| 10:40.16 | DeadZergling | in data |
| 10:40.39 | turtles | but then they wouldn't behave normally when players killed them |
| 10:41.07 | DeadZergling | that's the idea, you seem to dislike normal |
| 10:41.40 | turtles | no, I want normal... I just want to be able to circumvent normality at a specific point when I want to |
| 10:42.12 | turtles | So in general I want rock towers to be rock towers |
| 10:42.35 | turtles | and then at a certain point I want to call a trigger which completely removes any rock towers on the map without a trace |
| 10:44.06 | DeadZergling | well, could remove the regular death from the base actor |
| 10:44.21 | DeadZergling | then make a death actor that suicides after x amount of time before the rubble can be a thing |
| 10:44.27 | turtles | Trying to avoid removing all rock towers and then having a 4 second pause in game play while I wait and then removing all the debris |
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| 10:48.13 | turtles | kind of lost me there |
| 10:48.31 | DeadZergling | okay, well a zergling actor has death fields on it |
| 10:48.36 | turtles | never learned how to read/write actor events properly |
| 10:48.41 | DeadZergling | if you delete those, it just dissapears upon death |
| 10:49.34 | DeadZergling | then you could make a second actor, just a plain model, that just plays a death animation, but it suicides before the rubble |
| 10:50.49 | turtles | but then if a player kills the tower no rubble will apear correct? |
| 10:51.19 | DeadZergling | shouldn't |
| 10:51.49 | turtles | I think we're talking in circles... |
| 10:51.59 | turtles | I want the rubble in that case |
| 10:52.47 | turtles | (9:42:16 PM) turtles: So in general I want rock towers to be rock towers |
| 10:52.47 | turtles | (9:42:39 PM) turtles: and then at a certain point I want to call a trigger which completely removes any rock towers on the map without a trace |
| 10:53.51 | turtles | So basically I'm asking if there is a way to remove a unit from the game without any death events firing |
| 10:54.10 | turtles | and without modifying the unit type data in the data module |
| 10:56.03 | turtles | well, I'm ok with modifying the data... but it has to be seamless to the players. They have to not be able to notice that there is a difference in the unit behaviour |
| 10:57.22 | TwoDie | tits |
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| 12:07.51 | DeadZergling | success finally TwoDie |
| 12:08.02 | DeadZergling | this grid has me confused as fuck, but it is working, lol |
| 12:08.03 | duckies | you should be sleeping now DZ ;+; |
| 12:08.25 | duckies | grids are cool tho |
| 12:08.26 | DeadZergling | yes I should, but I wanted to get 3ds Max going |
| 12:08.28 | duckies | so you can stay |
| 12:09.23 | DeadZergling | Unfortunately for me, I am the worst reader of directions of all time |
| 12:09.46 | TwoDie | gz!! |
| 12:10.45 | DeadZergling | woot, i made my box a little smaller! |
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| 12:11.01 | DeadZergling | wow is this confusing, lol |
| 12:11.49 | DeadZergling | I'll have to look at this again when I'm not half dead from tiredness :) |
| 12:12.51 | TwoDie | lol |
| 12:12.53 | TwoDie | LOOL |
| 12:13.07 | TwoDie | dramas on gaming shiets |
| 12:13.09 | TwoDie | jizz |
| 12:14.12 | DeadZergling | is there a way to do free camera mode? |
| 12:14.21 | DeadZergling | clicking the magic box is pissing me off |
| 12:15.59 | TwoDie | idk waht u mean |
| 12:16.04 | TwoDie | alt ctrl keys |
| 12:16.06 | TwoDie | may help |
| 12:16.36 | TwoDie | hold them and click mouse buttons and move bounts |
| 12:16.38 | TwoDie | it |
| 12:16.47 | DeadZergling | well, I'm getting a top, front, and left view, and then a colored box mode |
| 12:16.57 | DeadZergling | trying to free camera the colored box mode |
| 12:17.24 | DeadZergling | no worries, I'll actually watch the tutorial videos tomorrow, lol |
| 12:17.44 | DeadZergling | thanks for all the help already twodie, I'll play with it, I may install it at work tomorrow too :P |
| 12:20.26 | TwoDie | basicly http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2vbwsd/fuck_you_peter_molyneux_i_want_the_money_back/ |
| 12:20.26 | TwoDie | gl |
| 12:22.28 | TwoDie | in other dramas something happening in metacritic and eurogamer |
| 12:23.21 | DeadZergling | Behold, my amazing first creation! http://ctrlv.in/500472 |
| 12:23.39 | DeadZergling | duckies should appreciate it, lol |
| 12:23.56 | TwoDie | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-10-eurogamer-has-dropped-review-scores |
| 12:24.10 | TwoDie | nize DZ |
| 12:24.48 | TwoDie | DZ u can press on working window Ctrl + W to expand window |
| 12:24.56 | TwoDie | if rememebering correctly |
| 12:25.07 | TwoDie | or alt + w |
| 12:25.08 | DeadZergling | alt W |
| 12:25.25 | DeadZergling | *throws his staff to the ground, make my monster grow! |
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| 12:25.42 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/500473 |
| 12:27.37 | DeadZergling | anyways, i'll attempt something more complicated later, perhaps something simple like an empty box, then move onto police whacking stick or something :) |
| 12:28.05 | DeadZergling | gonna make myself go to bed now though, see you later TwoDie , duckies , thx again for putting up with my noobness TwoDie |
| 12:29.57 | TwoDie | !!! |
| 12:37.22 | duckies | aaw, it's a duckduck~ |
| 12:42.53 | TwoDie | #fuckmetacritic |
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| 13:52.48 | Zolden | TwoDie http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblanc2014/73593204/633162/633162_original.jpg |
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| 14:05.27 | TwoDie | okay |
| 14:05.39 | TwoDie | im up to date now |
| 14:05.40 | TwoDie | thanks |
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| 14:32.18 | Zolden | u up twodate |
| 14:37.10 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVa0Crj1oD8 |
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| 14:45.54 | Zolden | huynya |
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| 16:32.22 | Zwappie | hello |
| 16:33.36 | TwoDie | tits |
| 17:29.07 | TwoDie | damn this playing with 2 editors |
| 18:09.22 | Zwappie | huh, weapon allows move and fire, but unit still has to stand still to shoot |
| 18:30.16 | TwoDie | http://i.imgur.com/as228Tn.jpg |
| 19:19.57 | duckies | hey arcanePariah , I need more of your wisdom |
| 19:20.51 | duckies | can you create a square on minimap which would be identical to the one which units create? |
| 19:21.03 | duckies | but create it only using actors |
| 19:22.47 | duckies | I'm trying to make a radar type of thing, where certain unit types are "pinged" thorugh fog of war when they enter proximity of caster |
| 19:23.31 | duckies | by pinged I mean they are not revealed, but are visible on minimap, and through fog of war are displayed as ping model |
| 19:23.55 | TwoDie | like sensor tower for terrans? |
| 19:23.59 | duckies | hold on, lemme just doule check how actual radar tower works D: |
| 19:26.45 | duckies | yeah, that radar thing is a hardcoded feature |
| 19:27.44 | duckies | there is a vital difference - the radar I need - units "revealed" by it must be visible only to revealing player |
| 19:28.20 | duckies | meaning that revealing players allies must not see neither minimap square, nor fow ping model |
| 19:28.54 | duckies | so far what I've done is - a behavior on caster that searches and applies a different behavior to targets |
| 19:29.33 | duckies | and that "reveal" behavior creates a ping model |
| 19:29.43 | duckies | on pinged unit |
| 19:29.45 | TwoDie | actors are cool |
| 19:30.20 | duckies | I thought I could filter ping display to be visible only to "self" player |
| 19:31.00 | duckies | but I can't quite figure out how to make those models to be created in casters scope instead of scope of unit on which they are applied |
| 19:31.40 | duckies | cause atm if I filter them to be visible only to self - they are visible only to neutral player - owner of pinged unit |
| 19:32.05 | ArcanePariah | duckies, what you want is radar, there is a specific actor event that is for when a unit is under radar. Let me pop into the editor and give you the details. |
| 19:32.23 | Ahli | does casc viewer work for you on heroes new patch? |
| 19:32.32 | ArcanePariah | Haven't tried, one moment. |
| 19:33.47 | Ahli | it didn't load new data for me, then I re-downloaded all of the data again and now casc view doesn't recognize the data folder anymore |
| 19:33.53 | ArcanePariah | Well, I can open HeroesData, and the mods are listed, however I do see that there is a patch folder, I do not know if that was opened as well. |
| 19:34.16 | duckies | you mean "BlipVisual" Arcane? |
| 19:34.44 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that is the actor that is used in general for radar blips. You will want to create your own, so you will want a new model actor and use similar events. |
| 19:35.31 | duckies | I kinda copied it and made it to be created/destroyed on behavior on/off |
| 19:36.35 | Ahli | arc, if you open heroesdata.xml in "heroesmod", does it list rewind on tier 7 or 5? |
| 19:37.33 | ArcanePariah | Tier 7 for me |
| 19:38.33 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, seems to work for me, I see Rewind on Nova at Tier 7 |
| 19:39.34 | duckies | but the question is - how to make it be visible for caster player only and not for his allies with whom he has shared vision t_t |
| 19:39.56 | Ahli | k, I'm going to reinstall the whole heroes thing... if that doesn't work, send me your cascViewer.exe ;P maybe only the recent versions fail |
| 19:48.14 | duckies | hm, I think the radar mechanic shows units on miniap while blipvisual shows the ping |
| 19:48.38 | ArcanePariah | duckies: after experimenting, you need to have the actor filter for enemy, and yes, the radar seems to create the minimap thing, the ping is the model actor. |
| 19:48.53 | duckies | and I still can't get blipvisual to show only for caster D: |
| 19:49.39 | duckies | units that get revealed it are all owned by neutral player |
| 19:49.48 | duckies | *by it |
| 19:49.51 | ArcanePariah | Well, the issue is the blip visual is created in the scope of the unit it is on, so it is in relation that scope that filtered by alliance. |
| 19:50.24 | ArcanePariah | So you only want the source of the effect to be able to see it, correct? |
| 19:50.32 | duckies | yeah |
| 19:50.57 | duckies | I tried to fiddle with host+ actror and scope fields but I suck :< |
| 19:52.58 | Ahli | arc, complete re-install worked |
| 19:53.31 | ArcanePariah | duckies: this is tricky, may involve some complex stuff, or some investigation. Is this purely visual? |
| 19:57.04 | duckies | purely visual |
| 19:57.44 | duckies | hm |
| 19:59.00 | duckies | if it's needlessly complex then hold on, I'll investigate wheither I can go with creating a dummy invisible player-owned units instead |
| 19:59.05 | duckies | (for those minimap squares) |
| 19:59.34 | duckies | I bet it would also solve whole scope/filter thing seeing how they'd be owned by caster >_> |
| 20:05.52 | TwoDie | milfs |
| 20:05.54 | duckies | I this would be a 2 min task in unity >_> |
| 20:06.03 | duckies | *I bet |
| 20:07.32 | Ahli | for some reason, they joined rhegar's hero mod into the base hero mod... |
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| 20:08.21 | DeadZergling | did you like my amazing new models, duckies? |
| 20:08.40 | duckies | duckylicious |
| 20:10.22 | DeadZergling | I might make something better later, but pretty sure me attempting to make a feather, let alone 'feathers', would go amazingly bad right now |
| 20:10.24 | duckies | now you need to make that model into a projectile! |
| 20:10.38 | duckies | and make a duck gun |
| 20:10.45 | duckies | that shoots square ducks |
| 20:11.13 | DeadZergling | I'd probably want to make a little better model |
| 20:11.23 | DeadZergling | but that might be worth doing |
| 20:11.50 | duckies | some things are just worth putting time into~ |
| 20:11.59 | DeadZergling | I have been trying to come up with a gun to replace the telefragger gun |
| 20:12.07 | DeadZergling | since I don't like it any |
| 20:12.49 | DeadZergling | not a fan of the empathic reaper either, but I have a plan to make it better |
| 20:13.14 | DeadZergling | Have the duck gun's special ability be that all the shots are heap seaking |
| 20:15.56 | DeadZergling | that and it quacks |
| 20:17.49 | duckies | I like that you don't miss the important part of it ;D |
| 20:19.12 | DeadZergling | that it quack? |
| 20:19.45 | duckies | it is essential to the gun, no? |
| 20:19.50 | duckies | :() |
| 20:20.34 | DeadZergling | yea, thinking maybe I can do a wooden plank with 4 wheels and a duck on it |
| 20:20.42 | DeadZergling | so it at least looks like it can move, lol |
| 20:22.45 | duckies | suddenly so enthusiastic about 3dmax :D |
| 20:23.01 | TwoDie | new things to learn |
| 20:23.03 | TwoDie | who wouldnt |
| 20:23.15 | duckies | ^^ |
| 20:23.47 | DeadZergling | I don't know how far i'll actually go |
| 20:23.53 | DeadZergling | but I do have a certain thing or two I must make |
| 20:25.33 | DeadZergling | there are certain things I need to learn how to do first though :) |
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| 20:30.06 | DeadZergling | does 3dmax do animating too, or do I need something else when I get that far? |
| 20:31.22 | TwoDie | everything |
| 20:31.59 | TwoDie | animation, mesh editing, metrial reading, uvw unwraping - model applied texture reading |
| 20:32.13 | TwoDie | one tool that does everything |
| 20:32.30 | DeadZergling | cool, I don't know what 4/5ths of that is |
| 20:32.38 | TwoDie | but with other tools u could do more detailed work in specific areas |
| 20:32.39 | DeadZergling | but it will be fun to find out, lol |
| 20:32.44 | TwoDie | u will |
| 20:34.23 | DeadZergling | I think for the level I'm at, 3ds max will be fine. Maybe gimp for a little specular texture work |
| 20:35.37 | TwoDie | i use those 2 mainly |
| 20:35.44 | TwoDie | for everything |
| 20:38.10 | TwoDie | but everything needs learning to make things happen |
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| 20:54.12 | TwoDie | damn how to make shit done!!!?!?!?1 |
| 20:54.59 | duckies | take a poop |
| 20:57.42 | duckies | geez, ctr-Z just crashed editor :| |
| 21:04.51 | TwoDie | after pooping i cant shit done anymore :/ |
| 21:05.23 | DeadZergling | hope you didn't lose much duckies |
| 21:06.03 | duckies | I've lost all progress on testing out wheither a thing would work out |
| 21:06.25 | duckies | the test was sccessfull and I was cleaning data by ctrl-Z'ing the changes |
| 21:06.44 | duckies | so editor crashed and removed all the unnecessary junk data :D |
| 21:07.19 | duckies | working with data like a pro :3 |
| 21:08.05 | DeadZergling | apparently so |
| 21:22.24 | TwoDie | damn |
| 21:22.27 | TwoDie | nothing done |
| 21:47.07 | duckies | sometimes I just wanna play videogames all day long :| |
| 21:47.29 | duckies | too bad that want usually hits me right before sleep D: |
| 21:48.15 | duckies | I guess I'll go pretending that sleep is a videogame and hope it'll have a kickass music and gameplay |
| 21:48.22 | duckies | gn |
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| 23:15.02 | DeadZergling | Be great if this would tell me when it timed out |
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