| 00:00.16 | Bounty | Yes but you also need money |
| 00:00.23 | Bounty | Money = choices |
| 00:00.28 | Bounty | For future games |
| 00:00.50 | Bounty | If you can use ads but make them not intrusive into the gameplay, you should do it |
| 00:01.36 | Zolden | yea, i'll try if the number of players will be big |
| 00:01.52 | Zolden | and if the game won't have good ways to sell in-app stuff |
| 00:02.59 | Bounty | I would think there is a way to make the ads not a big deal |
| 00:04.42 | Zolden | for me any ads are annoying |
| 00:04.54 | Bounty | Is money annoying? |
| 00:05.01 | Zolden | lol |
| 00:05.01 | Bounty | So, find a balance |
| 00:05.02 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:05.07 | Zolden | maybe I will |
| 00:05.19 | Bounty | I know what your saying though and I agree |
| 00:05.24 | Tomura | if you are in for the money don't develop indie games as your main job. |
| 00:05.29 | Bounty | but at the same time, you should be getting something |
| 00:05.39 | Bounty | Nobody is saying that Tomura |
| 00:05.53 | Bounty | and I think its safe to say nobody in here got in it for the money |
| 00:05.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:05.58 | Tomura | ok ^^ |
| 00:06.22 | Bounty | but Tomura has a point in the sense that you should make the ads as non intrusive as possible |
| 00:06.27 | Bounty | Don't get greedy |
| 00:06.29 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:06.38 | Bounty | but I don't think that will be an issue with you Zolden |
| 00:07.27 | Tomura | probably |
| 00:08.04 | Bounty | I'm not even sure how they work though, do they have to be full screen or can they be subtle? |
| 00:08.26 | Tomura | there are some that pop up |
| 00:08.27 | Zolden | it can be any |
| 00:08.35 | Tomura | some only are a banner |
| 00:08.44 | Tomura | and some take you to the app store |
| 00:08.48 | Bounty | Pop ups probably pay the most though |
| 00:08.53 | Bounty | but I would avoid those lol |
| 00:08.58 | Bounty | bc that is annoying |
| 00:09.40 | Bounty | Banners sound good though, kinda like a webpage |
| 00:09.53 | Zolden | there's a free asset in unity store to show a fullscreen videos, and players will recieve in-game rewards for doing that |
| 00:10.37 | Bounty | You could do that and only have it play at the start of the game, after that no ads |
| 00:10.38 | Zolden | it may be a nice addition for selling those rewards for cash |
| 00:10.58 | Zolden | becasue player decides to watch an ad, and never has it showed without his permission |
| 00:11.08 | Bounty | 1 video ad at the start of the game is a good option |
| 00:11.08 | Zolden | feels like the less annoying variant |
| 00:11.20 | Bounty | Yeah, it is |
| 00:11.26 | Bounty | and I bet it pays the most |
| 00:11.35 | Bounty | since they have to watch it all |
| 00:12.08 | Zolden | yea, goa linked an article, that someone has already made a couple of millions on this kind of ads |
| 00:12.10 | Bounty | Is there a way to limit the length of the ad that shows? |
| 00:12.28 | Bounty | Yeah, video ads pay the most because they are commercials |
| 00:12.29 | Zolden | dunno, I didn't try, gues it's customizable |
| 00:12.44 | Bounty | So you're essentially like a TV station providing commercial ad space |
| 00:12.51 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:13.19 | Bounty | If you can limit the commercial time I would do it |
| 00:13.33 | Bounty | Because you don't want a 6 minute ad being the first thing they see |
| 00:13.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:13.52 | Bounty | and, put a disclaimer before the video |
| 00:14.00 | Bounty | Saying this game is free due to the following ad |
| 00:14.12 | Bounty | beyond this point no more ads will be displayed |
| 00:14.46 | Bounty | I'll take my 5% cut whenever you feel comfortable Zolden |
| 00:14.50 | Bounty | lol =P |
| 00:15.20 | Zolden | :) |
| 00:15.48 | Bounty | If you base it off your current earnings, that'll be 50 cents |
| 00:16.04 | Bounty | and I only accept checks |
| 00:16.38 | Bounty | but yeah, give it a go Zolden and let us know how it works out for you. |
| 00:16.49 | Bounty | I am curious |
| 00:19.07 | Zolden | ok, will do if my next game get some nice amount of players |
| 00:19.26 | Bounty | how many games have you made so far? |
| 00:19.34 | Bounty | and what genres? |
| 00:19.34 | Zolden | two |
| 00:19.57 | Zolden | a space shmup, and a puzzle |
| 00:20.28 | Bounty | Were the controls of a phone hard to program? Like dragging and multi touch etc |
| 00:21.08 | Zolden | oh, it's simple |
| 00:21.26 | Bounty | inertia scrolling |
| 00:21.43 | Zolden | simple as well |
| 00:21.50 | Zolden | unity provides nice api |
| 00:22.13 | Zolden | here you can see screens of my shmup game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Zolden.hallo_spaceboy_lite |
| 00:22.17 | Bounty | <-- no idea what an API is but I'll take your word for it. |
| 00:22.40 | Bounty | did you create the assets? |
| 00:22.53 | Bounty | bc that seems to be a big part of why you can do this, you can create your own models lol |
| 00:23.06 | Zolden | yes, except the portraits |
| 00:23.09 | Bounty | also, nice boobs |
| 00:23.23 | Bounty | aww, you didn't draw those huge boobs? |
| 00:23.27 | Zolden | api is programming interface, so you simply have a vector variable of the acceleration |
| 00:23.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:23.49 | Zolden | my friend made those huge boobs, I tried to create portraits, they were agly |
| 00:24.14 | Bounty | How did you get 1200 user base with no marketing? |
| 00:24.27 | Zolden | google popularity system :) |
| 00:24.30 | Bounty | I guess the appstore is easy to find new games? |
| 00:24.43 | Zolden | google has "similar games" link |
| 00:24.48 | Bounty | Do I even have to? Does it work like bnets? |
| 00:24.54 | Bounty | Ah |
| 00:24.56 | Zolden | also, search may work if the game named properly |
| 00:25.22 | Zolden | it works like bnet, there's popularity list, also featured games |
| 00:26.35 | Zolden | if you create a "share on facebook/twitter" kind of button, and the game is good, players will share, which will make the downloads grow exponentially |
| 00:27.00 | Bounty | I am sharing this with Blizzard |
| 00:27.03 | Bounty | I never even thought of that |
| 00:27.12 | Bounty | A "similar games" section would be AMAZING |
| 00:27.37 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:27.59 | Bounty | I am about to smack myself |
| 00:28.07 | Bounty | how did I never think of this |
| 00:28.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:28.42 | Bounty | Steam uses that system as well and I have found plenty of hidden gems because of it |
| 00:28.46 | Zolden | I think google using genre, name keywords and "people who downloaded this, also downloaded that" to generate the references between games |
| 00:29.11 | Bounty | Yeah, Arcade games would need to be defined beyond the current 1 word genre |
| 00:29.15 | Bounty | need tags |
| 00:29.16 | Zolden | so, blizz could do that kind of calculations |
| 00:29.59 | Bounty | but, I could totally see someone putting Dota, Tug of War and TD on a game that has nothing to do with any those 3 |
| 00:30.01 | Bounty | just to get exposure |
| 00:30.15 | Bounty | so they would have to include a report system that would get those people banned lol |
| 00:31.29 | Bounty | That gives me hope for when I move outside SC2 |
| 00:31.43 | Bounty | I thought it was just like Blizzards popularity system. |
| 00:31.53 | Zolden | google does it, it's forbidden to create names or game descriptions, that are just senseless lists of keywords |
| 00:32.41 | Bounty | what do you mean by "it's forbidden to create names or game descriptions |
| 00:32.45 | Bounty | " |
| 00:33.16 | Zolden | google need to approve the game after it has submitted for public reveal |
| 00:33.43 | Bounty | So they create the descriptions? |
| 00:33.56 | Zolden | they may not approve it if rules are abused |
| 00:34.20 | Zolden | you create the descriptions, google reads and decides if it's ok |
| 00:34.39 | Bounty | Ah, I see |
| 00:34.40 | Zolden | guess, some indian outsourcers doing that :) |
| 00:34.57 | Bounty | or china |
| 00:35.12 | Bounty | Thats a lot of moderation, requires a lot of people lol |
| 00:35.42 | Zolden | apple does stronger moderation, I heard. Google approves during 1-3 hours, apple may take 2 weeks |
| 00:36.54 | Bounty | Are Apples stronger moderation's justified? |
| 00:38.07 | Tomura | There also is a paywall for apple to get into Debug mode with your device |
| 00:40.34 | Zolden | i heard apple do more promotion for games/apps, because there are smaller number of them, so if yours good enough, it may be put to the frontpage |
| 00:40.46 | Zolden | google does the same, but chances are smaller |
| 00:41.16 | Bounty | Is there a major diff between developing for IOS vs Android (Google) |
| 00:41.36 | Zolden | in unity it's equal |
| 00:41.44 | Zolden | or maybe 99.9% equal |
| 00:42.00 | Zolden | but someone may go to native scripting |
| 00:42.01 | Bounty | so porting is easy? nice |
| 00:42.16 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:42.29 | Tomura | BTW @Zolden: Do you need a Mac to deploy to iOS with Unity? |
| 00:42.51 | Zolden | Tomura Goa used emulation, and after some fucking was able to debug |
| 00:43.04 | Bounty | good question Tomura |
| 00:43.18 | Bounty | I thought you had to have a mac system to doit |
| 01:16.59 | Repo | notd-2: 03ArcaneDurandel 07mainline * 2d10e68 (10 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] IFV Model and Data added |
| 01:21.40 | Bounty | the fuck? |
| 01:22.22 | Zolden | what? |
| 01:23.01 | Bounty | 20:16] <Repo> notd-2: ArcaneDurandel mainline * 2d10e68 (10 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] IFV Model and Data added |
| 01:23.10 | Bounty | never seen that type of notification before |
| 01:28.54 | Zolden | oh |
| 01:54.36 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p4bm-RAlLA |
| 01:54.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:26.57 | Bounty | They're playing Death TV DeadZergling |
| 02:27.02 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/sinvicta |
| 02:27.27 | DeadZergling | heading over |
| 02:28.00 | Bounty | Bounty4321: This was one of the games developed for the Rock the Cabinet contest Bounty4321: by DeadZergling |
| 02:28.10 | Bounty | is all I've said so far |
| 02:28.15 | Bounty | you can take the rest lol |
| 02:29.20 | DeadZergling | voting system is still a bit fucked I see |
| 02:29.41 | Bounty | Bounty4321: The developer for this game will be joining the chat soon (or may already be in here lol) |
| 02:29.44 | Bounty | say something foo |
| 02:30.05 | DeadZergling | I'm not signed up for this shit, lol |
| 02:30.27 | Bounty | lame |
| 02:30.33 | DeadZergling | give me a break, ill look into it, lol |
| 02:31.27 | Bounty | sign up mother fucker |
| 02:36.45 | Bounty | This is their second time to my knowledge playing this DeadZergling, enjoy! :) |
| 02:43.27 | ArcanePariah | Bounty, that notification is when someone does a commit to their git repository on mapster. |
| 02:43.34 | ArcanePariah | And that is mine. |
| 02:44.11 | Bounty | I figured it was yours... the "arcane" thing kinda gave it away |
| 02:44.25 | Bounty | just never seen it before |
| 02:46.36 | DeadZergling | thanks for letting me know Bounty |
| 02:46.58 | Bounty | np |
| 02:47.10 | Bounty | Bathe in your glory :) |
| 02:53.41 | Torhal | Bounty: Not many people use repositories for SC2Mapster |
| 02:54.26 | Torhal | #curseforge is a different story - shows commits for every game |
| 02:54.28 | Torhal | [14:15:08] <Repo>[WoW] broker-followers: Starfox master * v0.7.4-1-gf3bd2fe Broker_Followers.lua: [+1 commit] Tweak upgrade and reroll % stuff a bit |
| 02:54.28 | Torhal | [14:27:52] <Repo>[WoW] thogar-assist: Elvador master * v6.0.2-4-beta-3-gda9df1a ThogarAssist.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed localization |
| 02:54.28 | Torhal | [14:33:35] <Repo>[WoW] battlegroundtargets: kunda * r238 BattlegroundTargets.lua: update |
| 02:54.33 | Bounty | I don't even know what that is @Torhal so I'll take your word for it |
| 02:54.38 | Torhal | lol |
| 02:54.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:54.43 | Torhal | Git, Subversion, Mercurial. |
| 02:55.29 | Bounty | When I hear repositories I think of something you stuck up your butt, which is a suppository..... |
| 02:55.37 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 02:55.39 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:55.40 | Bounty | dat logic |
| 02:55.44 | Torhal | Ooookay! |
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| 04:16.38 | Repo | notd-2: 03ArcaneDurandel 07mainline * f85e293 (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added lighting sets |
| 04:17.16 | ArcanePariah | I'm using repositories simply as good practice :D |
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| 05:02.29 | qumanhawk | holy crap, the wc3 hd models are awesome |
| 05:02.37 | qumanhawk | did you guys see them in the editor?> |
| 05:02.42 | qumanhawk | they included the normal wc3 |
| 05:02.54 | qumanhawk | but they also included hd versions on most of the heroes and some units |
| 05:02.57 | Bounty | We've seen them via SS's... |
| 05:03.02 | Bounty | They're released? |
| 05:03.06 | qumanhawk | the PTR is up |
| 05:03.10 | qumanhawk | so you can check it out |
| 05:03.44 | qumanhawk | http://gyazo.com/ea8bb5f27a791b1cc836daea62fa2fdc |
| 05:03.59 | qumanhawk | death knight hd portrait ^ |
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| 05:21.51 | Deathbringer | ArcanePariah If you're there there seems to be a problem with my command. Whenever I want it to spawn an item into my bag it doesn't do it. This is what the trigger is: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3590. |
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| 07:08.56 | DeadZergling | hey Bounty , no sleep for you eh? |
| 07:09.26 | Bounty | nay |
| 07:11.46 | Bounty | Still a bit irritable from earlier. |
| 07:11.54 | Bounty | Quite the flaw I possess lol |
| 07:13.12 | Bounty | Should be able to sleep in about 3 hours though DeadZergling |
| 07:13.14 | DeadZergling | about where blizzard plays? lol |
| 07:13.31 | Bounty | Nay |
| 07:13.44 | Bounty | Quite sure I outlined it was much more then that lol |
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| 09:16.20 | DeadZergling | well, spent way too long clearing my own game there, still awake Bounty ? |
| 09:16.29 | Bounty | Indeed |
| 09:16.47 | DeadZergling | nearly beat it legit, but with final boss at 9-10 %, me on my last life |
| 09:16.53 | DeadZergling | i used a cheat to insta win, lol |
| 09:17.15 | DeadZergling | wanted to be sure it still won properly, etc etc |
| 09:17.46 | DeadZergling | I really overdid the final boss, but seeing as he is, final, I don't mind |
| 09:19.01 | DeadZergling | you still thinking about shit over there man? |
| 09:19.24 | Bounty | Always |
| 09:19.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:29.07 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, allowing people to share lives might be more work than I thought |
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| 09:30.24 | DeadZergling | in other words, perhaps half dead from exhaustion isn't the ideal time to work on this |
| 09:33.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:33.18 | Bounty | probably not. |
| 09:33.23 | DeadZergling | adjusting model sizes to be more visible though, I think I can handle that |
| 09:37.53 | Bounty | I'm just hoping I did not come off wrong when I delivered my borderline speech to Blizz DeadZergling lol |
| 09:38.13 | Bounty | I did end it with "To clarify just in case, I don't mean to offend to defame anyone, just a thought I had regarding things." |
| 09:38.18 | Bounty | so hopefully that helps |
| 09:38.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:38.53 | Bounty | Paranoia is a powerful thing though >.< |
| 09:40.09 | DeadZergling | indeed, good way to stay awake though? |
| 09:41.03 | Bounty | Not really |
| 09:41.29 | Bounty | Takes a few hours for paranoia of someone taking what you said in a negative way awhile to wear off |
| 09:44.02 | DeadZergling | well, chances are good they didn't take it bad, they just went to sleep, lol |
| 09:44.53 | Bounty | lol yeah |
| 09:45.30 | DeadZergling | now to see how big these items are |
| 09:45.41 | DeadZergling | if I think they look a bit too large, they are probably about right |
| 09:48.02 | Bounty | Thats a good way to go about it sometimes, especially if you are consistently incorrect on something lol |
| 09:51.10 | DeadZergling | yea, about proper scaling, I'm ALWAYS wrong |
| 09:51.27 | DeadZergling | my idea of perfect is tiny as fuck for everyone else |
| 09:52.04 | DeadZergling | not my fault they don't play 1920x1080 on a 32 " TV |
| 09:52.43 | DeadZergling | I can reduce resolution, but the screen is still huge, I may just have to move it to a 19" or 21" for future reference |
| 09:53.29 | Bounty | I play on a 27" 1080p and they look small as eff |
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| 09:54.01 | DeadZergling | okay, well my vision is just too good then, lol |
| 09:54.03 | Bounty | 27" is the highest size you should worry about though |
| 09:54.26 | Bounty | anything above that is in the extreme minority |
| 10:02.12 | DeadZergling | well now to see if I fixed the crash or not |
| 10:03.39 | Bounty | You should work on the lag IMO |
| 10:03.48 | Bounty | That would drastically make the game more fun I think |
| 10:08.54 | DeadZergling | working on the lag is well, too much work, lol |
| 10:09.22 | DeadZergling | it would force me to shrink all the arenas, redo all the points, regions, projectile speeds, unit sizes, absolutely everything |
| 10:09.44 | Bounty | bigger units, less units |
| 10:09.56 | DeadZergling | is odd, it never lags much for me, if at all |
| 10:10.20 | Bounty | Yeah, some peoples PC's cannot handle a lot of units on screen |
| 10:10.33 | DeadZergling | the lag is a lot better with how I fixed it for 3 + players |
| 10:10.39 | Bounty | pretty much any model playing an animation taxes a lot of peoples PC's |
| 10:10.45 | DeadZergling | it increases amount of units for 2 players, but it boosts hp of units after that |
| 10:11.34 | DeadZergling | it was pretty necessary, the amount of units in some parts of Area3 was too much for the freaking arena to even hold, lol |
| 10:12.14 | DeadZergling | less units, but stronger units, hrrrrmmm, that would be easier to accomplish, kind of... |
| 10:12.27 | DeadZergling | besides the whole, refactoring all 60 rounds thing |
| 10:12.45 | Bounty | Well thats really the only way to fix it |
| 10:13.01 | Bounty | but I think you would need to find the sweet spot because having lots of enemies is a key part of the game lol |
| 10:13.13 | DeadZergling | yea, that is another problem |
| 10:13.23 | DeadZergling | have to take that part seriously |
| 10:13.41 | DeadZergling | it just wouldn't be Death TV without stupid amounts of enemies |
| 10:13.42 | Bounty | Indeed, could probably cut it in half and maintain the shit load of enemies effect |
| 10:14.06 | DeadZergling | I'll think about it, is far too much for me to bother with tonight |
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| 10:16.03 | DeadZergling | I fixed the enemies never dying problem, and made all the powerups twice as visible, just gonna upload the new version and call it good for now |
| 10:17.50 | DeadZergling | just a little more speed, a little more hp, it can make previously very doable enemies completely whack, lol |
| 10:18.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:20.02 | Bounty | Well, thankfully now I am back to normal in terms of whats on my mind |
| 10:20.18 | Bounty | Think I should make a quick little game using the War 3 assets |
| 10:21.56 | DeadZergling | Smash Brothers of Warcraft 3? |
| 10:22.09 | Bounty | QUICK little game |
| 10:22.19 | Bounty | That would take awhile, and requires money |
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| 10:23.00 | DeadZergling | Hi duckies, Traysent used the Raven in Death TV tonight on the stream, lol |
| 10:23.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:23.23 | duckies | yaaaay, bird power! |
| 10:23.26 | duckies | :() |
| 10:23.34 | duckies | :<> |
| 10:23.35 | DeadZergling | indeed, he had the high score most the game |
| 10:23.56 | DeadZergling | they discovered a new way to crash my game too |
| 10:23.59 | duckies | =D |
| 10:24.10 | duckies | what was that stream? |
| 10:24.16 | DeadZergling | yea, I put a fix in, publishing that fix before I forget, lol |
| 10:24.44 | DeadZergling | http://www.twitch.tv/sinvicta/v/3733435 , go to about 02:38 to see the start of the Death TV stream |
| 10:25.12 | DeadZergling | was Sinvicta's midweek moshpit |
| 10:25.17 | DeadZergling | poor Zoevia, kept dying, lol |
| 10:26.29 | duckies | serves her right, that noob :< |
| 10:26.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:27.23 | duckies | eh, twitch freezes this work laptop |
| 10:27.29 | duckies | so maybe I'll check it at home |
| 10:28.00 | DeadZergling | is a pretty fun stream to watch, I'm a bit biased on that opinion though :) |
| 10:28.16 | duckies | :P |
| 10:28.34 | DeadZergling | anyways, I get to cover for my co-worker's morning shift in 3 1/2 hours, so time for me to get a little sleep, see you later duckies / Bounty |
| 10:28.42 | duckies | v_v gn |
| 10:28.45 | Bounty | later >.< |
| 10:29.05 | DeadZergling | I can't force myself to sleep early when I need to |
| 10:29.10 | DeadZergling | so I might as well be productive a bit |
| 10:30.47 | duckies | yeah, you need to keep on forcing it for a week or so |
| 10:31.13 | duckies | shifting sleep times is a pain, unless you shifting them to a later time >_> |
| 10:31.39 | Bounty | Clearly humans were meant to sleep during the day and hunt at night. |
| 10:31.48 | duckies | obviosly |
| 10:31.48 | Bounty | thats my excuse |
| 10:57.20 | TwoDie | 1 |
| 11:03.09 | Bounty | 0 |
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| 12:07.18 | Zolden | fun, ppl so made on blizz for shitty models |
| 12:07.25 | Zolden | TwoDie u mad? |
| 12:15.18 | TwoDie | more like happy :D |
| 12:15.30 | TwoDie | that one day will have to work on those models |
| 12:45.23 | Zolden | TwoDie go unity |
| 12:49.58 | TwoDie | but it doesnt have warcraft artstyle models ;< |
| 12:50.29 | Zolden | u can import them there |
| 12:51.12 | Zolden | blizz just keeps fucking bnet |
| 12:51.36 | Zolden | again it has bad issues, people just keep being dropped from games as mature apples from trees |
| 12:52.37 | Zolden | wtf is this shit: after 5 minutes of insuccessful loading http://i.snag.gy/aUCcR.jpg |
| 12:53.18 | Zolden | and now nothing is happening, i can't return to bnet, it just stopped forever |
| 12:54.27 | TwoDie | is there even was maintanance ? |
| 12:56.06 | Zolden | mainshitness there defionitely was |
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| 13:25.23 | TwoDie | kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa kappa |
| 13:25.49 | Goa_ | Zolden thats another reason for you to do shit in Unity.D |
| 13:35.09 | Zolden | i'm almost there, just a few tweaks with mnm and I"m done with editor |
| 13:38.17 | TwoDie | and delete sc2 |
| 13:40.58 | Zolden | i won't delete it |
| 13:41.04 | Zolden | i'll remove instead |
| 13:41.11 | Zolden | or maybe even erase |
| 13:41.17 | Zolden | deleting for noobs |
| 13:43.18 | duckies | uninstall it and then copypaste pictures of cats until HD is full so that it can't even be restored~ |
| 13:50.00 | Zolden | or duck porn |
| 14:08.30 | duckies | whatever floats your boat zol |
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| 16:19.38 | DeadZergling | well sure glad I could wake up 4-5 hours earlier to do a grand total of about 40 mins of work for the day |
| 16:19.53 | DeadZergling | hurray for covering for coworkers.... |
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| 16:39.07 | Zolden | DeadZergling they covered you? |
| 16:39.27 | DeadZergling | sometimes |
| 16:39.44 | DeadZergling | every time I do this I remember how little he does though, lol |
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| 16:45.14 | Zolden | found a pacmana on kitchen table http://i.imgur.com/s4GLhp8.jpg |
| 16:46.26 | DeadZergling | good news for Ahli when he comes on, court in Germany has ruled men can still pee standing up |
| 16:48.02 | Zolden | how about shitting standing on a head upside down? |
| 16:48.44 | DeadZergling | probably not okay for guys, but okay for women if that is how they feel at the time? |
| 16:52.40 | Zolden | those redditors just unstoppable in their desperate aspiration for upvotes http://i.imgur.com/bHuzcLt.jpg |
| 16:54.43 | Goa_ | yours? |
| 16:56.47 | Zolden | someones |
| 16:57.12 | Zolden | mine is too small for that many goldfish |
| 16:57.49 | Goa_ | Zolden https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQWZ836ADXU2l3YmkweDhGOE0/view?usp=sharing |
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| 17:05.42 | Zolden | Goa_ those trends are sensible |
| 17:05.52 | Goa_ | yeah |
| 17:05.55 | Goa_ | nothing special |
| 17:05.55 | Zolden | aple is too conservative to grow faster |
| 17:06.22 | Goa_ | though it was interesting to compare apple vs google play growth |
| 17:08.53 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:09.56 | DeadZergling | what a waste of crackers |
| 17:14.32 | Zolden | Rommper have you seen that recent storm assets? there are things you could use, like catapults |
| 17:15.26 | Rommper | oh the storm assets i already use |
| 17:15.36 | Rommper | the catapult, the conjurer and the priest |
| 17:16.46 | Rommper | i excracted them myself anno |
| 17:37.34 | Rommper | i'm having mixed feelings about the wc pack |
| 17:38.51 | TwoDie | pretty much unusable |
| 17:39.20 | Zolden | why not? |
| 17:39.23 | Rommper | well not 100% unusable |
| 17:39.50 | Rommper | but most of the models are not up to the standard |
| 17:40.13 | TwoDie | its just doesnt really work between other models |
| 17:40.18 | TwoDie | texture work different |
| 17:40.23 | Rommper | but-sound, icons, the useful models are there at least |
| 17:40.24 | TwoDie | details differance |
| 17:40.29 | TwoDie | yeah |
| 17:40.34 | Rommper | all of them that requered extra mods and download space |
| 17:40.34 | TwoDie | icons included? |
| 17:40.40 | Rommper | yeah |
| 17:40.42 | Rommper | also sounds |
| 17:40.46 | Rommper | interface stuffs |
| 17:40.55 | TwoDie | how icons are modified? |
| 17:40.59 | Rommper | and there is a data and multiplayer mod file yet unusable |
| 17:41.00 | Rommper | ;) |
| 17:41.30 | Rommper | so most likely there will be some raw data to use warcraft 3 races |
| 17:42.54 | Rommper | i would be happy if they implemented warcraft races as selectable, so i don't have to fuck with the custom race issue |
| 17:44.59 | Rommper | on the pics they had some data and the night elf ui was implemented |
| 17:46.52 | Rommper | icons are not like the sc2 ones |
| 17:47.23 | Rommper | passives got extra black layer around them to get sc2 size |
| 17:47.51 | Rommper | clickable ones got frame around them |
| 17:48.50 | Rommper | why didn't they made HD versions of the other heroes like they did with the orc ones :/ |
| 17:49.10 | Rommper | orc ones are cool :) |
| 17:49.27 | TwoDie | cause it requires lots of time to make them |
| 17:49.41 | Rommper | yeah but they are blizzard |
| 17:49.50 | Rommper | they have shittons of ppl work on it |
| 17:49.55 | TwoDie | and all of this is more of a side project of theirs seems liek |
| 17:50.26 | TwoDie | u arent blizzard employe to know it |
| 17:50.32 | Rommper | also those orc models'portrait need a good background |
| 17:50.42 | Rommper | still they have shittons of modelers |
| 17:50.46 | Rommper | who are work for money |
| 17:51.21 | TwoDie | they really arent spending money to make this wc3 mod happen |
| 17:51.28 | Rommper | you would have already finished with any stuff i ask you if i paid you |
| 17:51.49 | TwoDie | not really |
| 17:52.17 | TwoDie | im hard at struggle at achieving most of shit i would want to do |
| 17:52.44 | TwoDie | and the request i was given to make model form other models and textures |
| 17:52.53 | TwoDie | takes me 3 months already to make... |
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| 17:53.12 | TwoDie | while it was offered money |
| 17:53.31 | TwoDie | it really is lame excuse for me that money would change things around |
| 17:54.52 | Rommper | btw |
| 17:55.06 | Rommper | for blademaster and abomination they should have included the old blizz dota portraits |
| 17:55.13 | Rommper | and for shadow ranger |
| 17:55.18 | Rommper | they were already finished ... |
| 17:56.54 | Rommper | http://us.media3.battle.net/cms/carousel_header/DN2RT5VQ8LN61287680872594.jpg |
| 17:57.02 | Rommper | http://us.media4.battle.net/cms/carousel_header/WELTQ04NNK631287680891982.jpg |
| 17:57.06 | Rommper | http://jhathawayanimation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/sylvanas-portrait.jpg |
| 17:58.55 | TwoDie | wow |
| 17:59.07 | TwoDie | if thats how wc4 will look |
| 17:59.09 | TwoDie | damn |
| 17:59.13 | TwoDie | it will be kinda shit |
| 18:00.17 | Rommper | it is from 2010 |
| 18:00.36 | Rommper | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kalCs5azjA |
| 18:00.41 | Rommper | when they started this shit |
| 18:01.30 | Rommper | 1:07 where interesting stuffs start |
| 18:04.11 | TwoDie | tits http://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-worried-rise-machines-000100765.html |
| 18:04.32 | Rommper | the same time when they started auir chef.... |
| 18:04.43 | Rommper | and other shit |
| 18:04.51 | Rommper | they could really release those stuffs |
| 18:06.28 | TwoDie | dead on arival |
| 18:11.44 | DeadZergling | Bill Gates is worried about a semi okay sequel to terminator and terminator 2? |
| 18:12.14 | Goa_ | we need Hitler AI! fuck you Bill:D |
| 18:19.28 | Rommper | at least i will have ship models |
| 18:19.30 | Rommper | for wc2 |
| 18:46.32 | ArcanePariah | So I'm somewhat late to conversation, but TwoDie is right, the sheer amount of work Blizzard has means they probably don't have the time to do full remakes of all the models. |
| 18:47.16 | ArcanePariah | Making stuff for 6 games is... a lot of work. |
| 18:47.47 | TwoDie | time and other resources |
| 18:47.56 | TwoDie | like gold and lumber |
| 18:48.06 | ArcanePariah | And people. |
| 18:48.23 | ArcanePariah | Last I looked, Blizzard has a hiring page that is rather full. |
| 18:49.05 | Rommper | then here ppl |
| 18:49.18 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, looks like at least 150 open positions |
| 18:49.20 | Rommper | not like they are a multi billionare huge company or sg |
| 18:49.32 | Rommper | hire* |
| 18:49.42 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well, 3 things |
| 18:50.08 | ArcanePariah | 1) Blizzard can't afford to compete with the rest of the tech industry, they make a lot more money then them (Google, Facebook, etc.) |
| 18:50.29 | ArcanePariah | 2) Money doesn't magically get people, not everyone wants to up and move to california |
| 18:50.32 | TwoDie | zynga! |
| 18:51.02 | ArcanePariah | 3) Even if they did hire people, one of the sad truths is that no matter who they hire, that person will take at least a month or 2 before they are productive. |
| 18:51.25 | Rommper | so what? |
| 18:51.34 | Rommper | month or 2 is not a big thing |
| 18:51.38 | DeadZergling | could be longer ArcanePariah , if they are that busy, it will take that much longer for them to help any newcomers know wtf is going on |
| 18:51.40 | TwoDie | for u |
| 18:51.48 | Rommper | and in IT you don't need the guy to sit next to you |
| 18:51.55 | ArcanePariah | Rommper: I said at least a month or 2 |
| 18:51.59 | ArcanePariah | Actually... you do. |
| 18:52.07 | Rommper | why would you |
| 18:52.10 | ArcanePariah | Because you need someone to explain how the code works. |
| 18:52.16 | ArcanePariah | Every code base is unique |
| 18:52.29 | Rommper | we are in the xxi century |
| 18:52.47 | ArcanePariah | And DeadZergling is correct, this is assuming someone is around to even answer your questions. |
| 18:53.03 | DeadZergling | sitting next to a person helps, as shadowing really does work. understanding code does not mean you are good at explaining it |
| 18:53.13 | DeadZergling | but being able to view what this person does, that can be a huge help |
| 18:53.19 | ArcanePariah | And umm, welcome to programming, it is hard for this very reason. I don't care how good you are, you will need to simply spend at least 2-4 weeks reading code before you understand the setup. |
| 18:53.54 | ArcanePariah | I did a 3 month internship, I didn't write any code worth a damm until almost 1.5 months in. I did only some decent coding in the last 3 weeks. |
| 18:54.17 | DeadZergling | hehe yea, I recall being a CS tutor, it took at least 15-20 mins, sometimes 30-40 mins or more of looking at just a COLLEGE project to understand wtf was going on |
| 18:54.28 | ArcanePariah | And even then, I didn't truly understand everything, quite a bit I never even touched. |
| 18:54.39 | DeadZergling | that was maybe 2-3k lines of code at most |
| 18:54.44 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... |
| 18:54.56 | DeadZergling | how much worse would be 100k + lines of code be |
| 18:54.56 | ArcanePariah | And sadly,as you probably well know, it doesn't get much better. |
| 18:55.23 | ArcanePariah | It is impossible, at my internship, different people knew differnt parts, but no one knew everything. |
| 18:55.27 | DeadZergling | yea, is a reason your instructors yell at you to document better, name variables/functions better |
| 18:55.34 | ArcanePariah | Mhmmm |
| 18:55.48 | DeadZergling | you can get away with it with a dinky college project |
| 18:55.56 | DeadZergling | but a massive project, the fuck anyone is gonna put up with that |
| 18:56.14 | ArcanePariah | ... that's the scary part, commercial code is just as all over the place as college projects. |
| 18:56.43 | DeadZergling | speaking of which, I should probably stop using wonderful names like x1, x2, x3, junk, and stuff as variable names even in my personal projects, lol |
| 18:57.02 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, at my intership, they had code for interacting with hardware, so that made things... a bit more complicated. |
| 18:57.16 | ArcanePariah | Lot's of unique drivers for different hardware models |
| 18:57.42 | DeadZergling | well, I'm of the mind each thing is its own monster in its own ways |
| 18:57.52 | ArcanePariah | Pretty much. |
| 18:57.56 | DeadZergling | your situation probably wasn't particularly unique |
| 18:58.13 | ArcanePariah | No, it isn't/wasn't, and that's the creepy/scary part. |
| 18:58.31 | ArcanePariah | That most code is basically mediocre at best, and the documentation universally sucks |
| 18:59.08 | DeadZergling | well it isn't my fault I'm averse to // |
| 18:59.33 | DeadZergling | okay I lie, I do use it on stuff so I can come back to it without rediscovering wtf is going on :) |
| 19:00.07 | DeadZergling | but even then, documentation which makes perfect sense to me, may be swahili to the next dude |
| 19:00.56 | DeadZergling | oh well, good thing we 'like' problem solving, right? lol |
| 19:01.53 | ArcanePariah | Yep, reminds me of an old joke of a programmer told to clean up some old code, finds that it is crappy, no docs, looks like shit, asks whose code it is, informed that it is his, from 6 months ago. |
| 19:03.13 | DeadZergling | that is pretty funny, although the joke hits a little too close to home for me |
| 19:03.28 | DeadZergling | I've come back to stuff I did just a year or two ago, wtf was I thinking is what I think sometimes |
| 19:23.02 | TwoDie | tit |
| 19:24.51 | DeadZergling | why yes TwoDie , I did use tits at work today, only one at a time though |
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| 19:48.38 | TwoDie | what a routine.. morning 2 eggs, evenings rice bowl.. |
| 19:49.35 | Zolden | fatty |
| 19:50.19 | TwoDie | fatter than averange fat american |
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| 20:44.15 | Repo | New map: SC1 Enslavers / Dark Vengeance Remake - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sc1-enslavers-dark-vengeance-rem/ |
| 20:51.00 | TwoDie | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11m21k/starcraft_2_will_be_dead_before_legacy_of_the/ |
| 20:53.31 | Rommper | anither doomsayer |
| 20:53.45 | TwoDie | wait |
| 20:53.52 | TwoDie | thats not front page :D |
| 20:53.54 | TwoDie | fuck |
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| 21:01.26 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wOFLLtTm8 |
| 21:01.31 | Zolden | DotA has HATS MAN, HATS! |
| 21:06.52 | DeadZergling | he was obviously hired by Zolden to make people come to unity |
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| 21:14.36 | Zolden | it wasn't needed, good mapmakers will end up at unity anyway |
| 21:14.52 | Zolden | look at TwoDie, he's half way there |
| 21:16.20 | DeadZergling | remind me not to have great ideas like stay at work for 12 hours straight again in the near future |
| 21:17.24 | TwoDie | da |
| 21:17.24 | TwoDie | http://i.imgur.com/NXHrtUo.gifv |
| 21:20.15 | TwoDie | nice http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/74367-wc3-models-hype/?page=7#p140 |
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| 21:52.08 | DeadZergling | question for you ArcanePariah , is it possible to have an array of action definitions to call them with, that is, in the default editor. |
| 21:58.33 | Zolden | question for you ArcanePariah : what's ocean temperature at winter? can people swim? |
| 21:59.09 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling: with GUI no, but with galaxy yes. |
| 21:59.18 | ArcanePariah | I've been meaning to make a GUI version at some point. |
| 21:59.58 | ArcanePariah | I need to check a couple functions in the editor first. |
| 22:00.25 | ArcanePariah | But yes, it is possible to have an array of functions and simply call them by referencing the index. |
| 22:00.41 | DeadZergling | I see, I am trying to tackle creating a quest system more seriously. One thought was to run action definitions indefinitely as long as quest was had, but wanted a way to split it up in an array and only run 1 checker at a time so I don't bog the system down |
| 22:01.22 | ArcanePariah | Zolden: ocean temperature doesn't vary much, and yes people can swim in it. |
| 22:01.46 | DeadZergling | can't say I recommend the pacific around here, cold as hell, lol |
| 22:02.04 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling: one alternative is to setup, for each quest, a constant string to signal its end and its beginning. |
| 22:02.15 | ArcanePariah | ANd use Send Generic Event to start/end quests |
| 22:03.12 | DeadZergling | not sure I follow |
| 22:03.43 | ArcanePariah | Well, maybe I misunderstood. Explain how you envision your quest system |
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| 22:04.04 | Zolden | computer crashed, what a gayshit |
| 22:05.54 | DeadZergling | well for my own sanity, limiting it to 10 quests at a time, have a little dialog box where you can click on each quest, and each step (that is current) to get more details if desired. In the back end, I want quest checkers to update this dialog box constantly, I'm going to limit quest step types to kill count, item count, or talk to a certain NPC for the time being |
| 22:06.18 | DeadZergling | And for my own sanity just going to have each quest be its own action definition |
| 22:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Well, what I see logically, for every quest, is something that starts it, and something that ends it. Starting it should add the quest title (with tooltip/click thing to get further description) to the dialog box. Ending it should check it off, then remove it from the list. |
| 22:07.37 | DeadZergling | and of course for multiple kill counts, multiple item counts, the system needs to be able to track multiples at the same time, not always linear |
| 22:08.14 | ArcanePariah | Well, each quest should have its own set of triggers to track the state of that quest and update things approrpriately |
| 22:09.01 | DeadZergling | yea, is what i was thinking with the action definition |
| 22:09.25 | DeadZergling | do a check to make sure they aren't at 10 quests already, don't already have quest, set action definition, what quest slot it gets, and leave it to its own devices and not have to help it further |
| 22:10.03 | DeadZergling | kill tracking could be a problem the way my system currently is, but I can just make ugly arrays if I need to, lol |
| 22:11.27 | DeadZergling | I guess I'm just thinking out loud currently, and making sure I'm not counting on things to be capable of certain things and make a faulty plan from the get go :) |
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| 22:11.42 | Zolden | what about ocean |
| 22:11.44 | ArcanePariah | Always a good idea |
| 22:12.53 | DeadZergling | oh hi Dustin_Hendricks , been awhile since I seen you about |
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| 22:19.59 | DeadZergling | but in terms of this, an array would be really good, as it could sort itself if I wanted things alphabetical, or some other filter. Also it would let me easily know what quests are already gotten without further complicating things. |
| 22:20.50 | DeadZergling | suppose a simple array with a record of Active, and stringName that the Action definition turns off when it is over would work as well though |
| 22:21.04 | DeadZergling | Active just being a simple boolean |
| 22:24.54 | Dustin_Hendricks | heya |
| 22:24.57 | Dustin_Hendricks | Yeah been super busy |
| 22:25.39 | DeadZergling | Death TV got streamed last night, was pretty cool |
| 22:26.00 | Dustin_Hendricks | Nice!! |
| 22:26.03 | DeadZergling | People didn't quit in disgust within 5-10 mins or anything, just had fun playing it, so that's always good, lol |
| 22:26.14 | Dustin_Hendricks | Sc2Mothership stream? |
| 22:26.33 | DeadZergling | it unfortunately ended in a crash, but unlike other ones, I knew the cause within a minute or two, was able to fix it in just 20-30 mins. |
| 22:26.40 | DeadZergling | Sinvicta |
| 22:27.28 | DeadZergling | he rather liked the crash, it happened after he ran out of lives, so he could claim they needed him to win |
| 22:29.31 | DeadZergling | I told Traysent I could give him access to the cheat codes if he wanted to use them next time, to at least warp them to Area3 so they could see what that area is all about |
| 22:29.41 | DeadZergling | see what he thinks about that, lol |
| 22:38.40 | DeadZergling | It is far from being able to retire from this testing job, was only like 100 viewers maybe, but hey, nice to know your map is being played. You ever gonna be able to mod again Dustin_Hendricks ? :) |
| 22:49.32 | Dustin_Hendricks | Oh of courseee |
| 22:50.22 | DeadZergling | Only teasing of course, just you mentioned having to actually work at work lately, lol |
| 22:51.32 | DeadZergling | someone needs to start hitting me with a stick when I use lol to end a sentence, most the time it isn't happening at all |
| 22:59.14 | Zolden | hits DeadZergling with a rimjob stick becasue took all for lol |
| 23:00.00 | DeadZergling | a rimjob stick? That doesn't even make sense, is it a tiny hollow stick you can fit a tongue through? |
| 23:02.14 | Zolden | it's a stick you make a rimjob with to post the result on instagram |
| 23:35.58 | A1win | Tweaked my voxel generators today, starting to surprise myself with what this generator is capable of. |
| 23:36.37 | A1win | Surprise in the sense that "holy shit, it works", have had those ideas only in my head for so long. :x |
| 23:37.33 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/wcube/Unity%202015-01-29%2021-43-45-75.jpg |
| 23:37.46 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/wcube/Unity%202015-01-29%2021-49-43-43.jpg |
| 23:46.26 | DeadZergling | so green, is it supposed to be faded styrofoam? |
| 23:46.32 | DeadZergling | what am I looking at, besides a cave |
| 23:48.04 | A1win | Testing height difference blending. The map itself is made of a hexagon grid, so that each hexagon can have a different generator and floor/ceiling height, and it blends them seamlessly into the neighboring hexagons. |
| 23:49.49 | A1win | It's not really apparent considering there are basically just two different types of generators, and only one is shown in those screenshots, but anyway. :P |
