| 00:04.23 | Zolden | tell her to not connect to internet for a week |
| 00:05.28 | Bounty | ATM, I made her create a new skype account |
| 00:05.46 | Bounty | and got one of my friends to get his information, not sure its the real him though |
| 00:06.03 | Bounty | dudes skype name is Testaccount9001 for fuck sakes lol |
| 00:06.15 | Vindicator | block him? |
| 00:06.28 | Bounty | That erases all chat history though doesn't it? |
| 00:06.46 | Vindicator | save it and block him? |
| 00:07.08 | Bounty | Once its saved it could be altered which does not look good evidence wise though yes? |
| 00:07.21 | Bounty | but yeah on her new account hes blocked |
| 00:07.22 | Vindicator | screenshots? |
| 00:07.28 | Bounty | can still get our IP though |
| 00:08.42 | Bounty | but yeah, he can't talk to her anymore but I still feel like I should do something lol |
| 00:08.54 | Bounty | Not sure if the police can even do anything with this |
| 00:09.55 | A1win | What about Skype customer support? |
| 00:10.23 | Bounty | Can they do anything legally against him? |
| 00:10.29 | A1win | Dunno |
| 00:10.38 | Bounty | Dudes asking a 12 year old for nudes and calling her a cunt |
| 00:10.44 | Vindicator | if they are like microsoft they would work with the police themselves if u call skype support |
| 00:11.09 | Vindicator | you'd have to file a police report and give the info to skype support and the police phone number |
| 00:11.20 | Bounty | I was going to call him but the way my friend obtained the info he said was illegal lol |
| 00:11.30 | A1win | https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34447/what-should-i-do-if-i-see-abusive-behavior-on-skype?q=harassment |
| 00:11.39 | A1win | Seems they just suggest blocking and contacting the poliec |
| 00:11.41 | A1win | *ce |
| 00:11.52 | A1win | There's a "report abuse" checkbox though |
| 00:12.30 | Bounty | Alright, I'll give that a shot.. did not know they worked that way |
| 00:12.40 | Bounty | Assumed they would just say to block him and do nothing |
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| 01:10.50 | Zolden | Bounty ask on reddit, ppl will give you good advices |
| 01:11.18 | Bounty | I'm just going to go to the police tomorrow with everything after I call skype |
| 01:11.35 | Bounty | If they don't do anything... then I'll give that a go |
| 01:12.30 | Bounty | No intentions of this prick thinking he can do this shit and get away with it, will only build his ego. |
| 01:16.01 | Zolden | right, fuck him |
| 01:21.28 | Bounty | Indeed Zolden |
| 01:24.40 | Bounty | I think this is one of the few situations that having a vengeful personality is a benefit lol |
| 01:26.01 | Bounty | I have managed to remain relatively calm though, I was close to calling his Dads business and inquiring whether or not he knew he son likes to ask children for nudes. |
| 01:26.12 | Bounty | his son* |
| 01:26.44 | Bounty | but, I think its best to not doing anything illegal on my part in response lol |
| 01:26.51 | Bounty | not do* |
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| 10:46.44 | RipperRoo | slaps TwoDie around with nuclear waste |
| 10:50.07 | TwoDie | go poo urself out of here |
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| 14:56.18 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsHpNiz-4M |
| 15:03.12 | Goa_ | sounds cool |
| 15:03.27 | Goa_ | could turn out to be as cool as Homeworld |
| 15:16.39 | TwoDie | or some shitty mobile game :s |
| 15:16.51 | TwoDie | as it incoming in next 3-5 months |
| 15:19.18 | Vailreth | yeah willing to wadger its a mobile game |
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| 16:04.09 | Zolden | is this that place where mapmakers hanging? |
| 16:04.27 | Zolden | I have editor question, may I ask? |
| 16:17.43 | TwoDie | only warcraft 1 related |
| 16:32.47 | Zolden | how to train a peon |
| 16:37.03 | TwoDie | u click shit on screen |
| 16:37.20 | TwoDie | and screen replys to ur clicks by showing hitler dicks |
| 16:54.56 | Zolden | TwoDie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdDJkW7wxiA |
| 16:57.57 | TwoDie | ;< |
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| 17:29.14 | Zolden | Poomper |
| 17:40.11 | TwoDie | Poop poop everyday |
| 17:42.43 | TwoDie | start pooping today! |
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| 17:47.02 | TwoDie | another pooper joined the party |
| 17:59.27 | Zolden | I'm waiting ArcanePoopiah to ask a poop related question |
| 18:00.09 | RipperRoo | pewdiepie fand and sheldon.. shhh! |
| 18:12.44 | Rommper | poop me a lumber mill TwoDie |
| 18:14.22 | RipperRoo | :D |
| 18:14.29 | RipperRoo | sends hordes of lemmings over TwoDie |
| 18:14.32 | RipperRoo | slaps Zolden around with Windows Me |
| 18:15.16 | Zolden | sends a Reaper Kenguroo to RipperRoo |
| 18:20.49 | RipperRoo | lol |
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| 18:35.38 | TwoDie | rommper wc1 style one? |
| 18:41.50 | Rommper | yep |
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| 18:42.08 | Rommper | but yo ucan do the wc2 one too :) |
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| 19:13.34 | Zolden | ArcanePariah how about to share some experience? |
| 19:13.42 | ArcanePariah | Sure, what can I do for you? |
| 19:14.02 | Zolden | is there a validator, that checks target's weapon range? |
| 19:14.50 | Zolden | or at least target's weapon |
| 19:16.00 | Zolden | actually no, target's weapon suck, I could just validate unit type |
| 19:16.46 | ArcanePariah | Well you can validate weapon firing. You can also validate range to target for weapons by adding a validator to root effect of the weapon checking location range. |
| 19:18.17 | Zolden | I want caster only attack units who have long range weapon |
| 19:18.42 | Zolden | so, range to target won't help |
| 19:18.50 | Zolden | what's "validate weapon firing"? |
| 19:20.04 | ArcanePariah | Validates agaisnt the current weapon being fired, there is also a weapon animating validator. I have not used either very much. Firing only checks while the attack is in progress, not in the period between attacks, Animatiing I'm not sure about. |
| 19:20.30 | Zolden | ok, ty |
| 19:20.52 | Zolden | i get it as we can't validate weapon range of a randomly picked target |
| 19:21.57 | ArcanePariah | As for attacking units only who have long range weapons, assuming no buffs to range that can be obtained, you can simply have a validator check a behavior. I made all my items that conferred weapons have a carried behavior for the weapon being eqiopped, but this won't work for weapons defined on the unit itself. Sadly the only way to do this perfectly would be to manually manage it (place behaviors on units with long |
| 19:21.57 | ArcanePariah | range weapons and check/validate against that. |
| 19:22.45 | ArcanePariah | Now, there is another less hacky workaround. |
| 19:23.00 | ArcanePariah | What you can do is give units with a long range attack a custom attack ability. |
| 19:23.11 | ArcanePariah | And then use the validator to check for that ability being present on the unit. |
| 19:23.51 | ArcanePariah | There is a validator the validates against a unit having an ability of class (Beacon, Behavior, Effect - Instant, etc.) or having a specific ability. |
| 19:24.29 | Zolden | i see |
| 19:24.42 | Zolden | many validators, I heard, affect performance |
| 19:24.58 | ArcanePariah | Another possibility is there is a validator that can validate against an arbitrary data field. |
| 19:25.09 | Zolden | so, i'll just validate units and create a combined validator for the set of long range units |
| 19:25.18 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that could work. |
| 19:25.28 | Zolden | validate arbitrary data field? |
| 19:25.38 | Zolden | like unit -> weapon -> range? |
| 19:25.39 | ArcanePariah | Yes, there is a validator called "Unit Compare Field" |
| 19:25.46 | Zolden | hmm |
| 19:25.59 | ArcanePariah | So you could check the weapon range field directly I would think. Not sure. |
| 19:26.01 | Zolden | but it will validate opnly weapon field, right? |
| 19:26.15 | Zolden | i need to reference weapon, while I have only target unit |
| 19:26.19 | ArcanePariah | Yes, so that might not work. |
| 19:27.32 | Zolden | alright, thanks |
| 19:28.02 | Zolden | unity watching me suffering with editor's high level limited bullshit and makes "told ya" eyes |
| 19:28.29 | ArcanePariah | shrugs |
| 19:29.22 | ArcanePariah | Unity is a generic game engine, thus it will be more flexible, but require more work, since you can't take anything for granted. Such is life. |
| 19:29.56 | ArcanePariah | Basically, by being specilaized, SC2 makes some things easy or even not even needed to be done, at the expense of making other things hard or impossible. |
| 19:30.28 | ArcanePariah | Unity, you get to do everything yourself, but that permits you to do almost anything. |
| 19:31.36 | TwoDie | damn that knowledge man |
| 19:31.51 | TwoDie | it hurts zoldens heart |
| 19:34.37 | Zolden | yea, in sc2 editor random noob can throw some marines on am ap and create a fully functional rts |
| 19:35.06 | Zolden | in any gamedev area competition is between skill x invented time, doesn't matter how easy to do a shit |
| 19:35.59 | Zolden | so, it takes 2+ months minimum to create a competitive game in sc2 editor and in unity, but in unity shit doesn't limit me and doesn't throw multiple bugs in my face |
| 19:36.38 | ArcanePariah | Yes, in all honesty, for full game development, Unity >>>> SC2, but SC2 is probably better for prototyping something fast, proof of concept. I would say, do something quick and dirty as fuck in SC2 to see if the concept work, and then do it full blown in Unity. |
| 19:36.51 | ArcanePariah | If that makes sense. |
| 19:37.28 | Zolden | I thought the same a year ago, now I'm not sure |
| 19:38.01 | Zolden | but it's true for some cases |
| 19:38.28 | ArcanePariah | Well, you've gained experience in Unity, thus you have an established workflow I imagine, so many task you have automated/can do fast in Unity, narrowing the gap or even elimnating it. |
| 19:39.17 | ArcanePariah | That's one reason it get difficult to evaluate these things, it is entirely based on our experience + anything we've automated for ourselves. |
| 19:39.42 | ArcanePariah | I can bang out lots of things in SC2 really fast, but that's only because I've setup and understand how to use templates/tokens/parent objects. |
| 19:40.02 | ArcanePariah | But for someone brand new, not so much. |
| 19:40.41 | Zolden | and for something brand new as well: don't think your templates will help you if you have 20 very different and complicated abils to implement |
| 19:40.55 | Zolden | but it's a very special case to even consider it |
| 19:41.32 | RipperRoo | ArcanePariah dont listen too ppl who have a poo fetish |
| 19:42.27 | ArcanePariah | Agreed, though there are some really small things that can be automated away. Like the default button. |
| 19:42.35 | Zolden | yea, listen to people who have roo poopish |
| 19:42.52 | RipperRoo | :D |
| 19:42.54 | ArcanePariah | You can also setup tooltip ids in a structured way and save a fair amount of time. |
| 19:43.12 | RipperRoo | arcane... unity >>> sc2 juts in any way u want except for maybe already having great amount of assets |
| 19:43.22 | RipperRoo | even for prototyping |
| 19:43.23 | Zolden | yea, tooltips ahve a huge value for testing a concept |
| 19:44.00 | ArcanePariah | I would agree, except for one detail. Unless I'm hugely mistaken, to do Unity, you do have to actually code. C# being the favorite, but C++,F#,Java being accepted as well. |
| 19:44.25 | RipperRoo | c# javascript boo and unityscript IIRC |
| 19:44.52 | ArcanePariah | SC2 biggest strength is it removes the need to know syntax, which for many people, is a huge barrier. Not for me or you as technical oriented people, but for non tech people, it is intimidating. |
| 19:45.07 | Zolden | yea, and code is so fast, dude, I was shocked literally when got back to the editor to add a new buidler to my map, that data is just a swamp |
| 19:46.08 | Zolden | the best sc2 editor 's strength is indedd, being friendly for newcomers, who can create (and test game design ideas) realy big games with pure clicking |
| 19:46.16 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the main advantage to data is it makes mistakes more difficult. Most people will readily code themselves into a corner. Data editor somewhat prevents this. |
| 19:46.20 | RipperRoo | arcane by all fairness... even if u would say the trigger editor is easier than coding.. doing something with data editor is just pain in the ass |
| 19:46.45 | ArcanePariah | Now, let me ask, is it the data editor being a pain in the ass or the lack of documetation making it a pain? |
| 19:46.58 | RipperRoo | both |
| 19:47.16 | ArcanePariah | Now, next question, before you use the editor, did you have prior coding experience of any kind? |
| 19:48.03 | RipperRoo | if it is the idea to make everything simpler with the sc2 editor then why does the data editor break everything into the smallest piece?... it was way easier to create a unit with wc3 editor.... if there was an basic editor like wc3 and maybe an advanced mode like it is now.. |
| 19:48.24 | ArcanePariah | I ask, because yes, if you are used to doing nothing but coding, the data editor is indeed an impediment, since it forces you to design your stuff a certain way, then yeah, being forced to bend to the tool is not usually a fun experience. |
| 19:48.30 | Zolden | RipperRoo after learning data one becomes capable of creating super complex things to implement realy interesting rts game ideas, it's just a trampoline, while after learning coding one may just keep suffering with scaling higher |
| 19:49.04 | ArcanePariah | The data editor being as modular as it, allows a lot of complexity/flexbility, at the expense of simplicity. |
| 19:49.30 | RipperRoo | yes arcane and i think thats working against the idea of those editors :S |
| 19:49.44 | ArcanePariah | The short version is, the editor was designed for teams, not a solo individual. That's the biggest power and weakness of the editor imo. |
| 19:50.20 | ArcanePariah | Because the modularity allows many people to work on seperate parts of the game at the same time. and the just assemble everything at the end. |
| 19:50.37 | Zolden | yea, editor is good for teams, unity is ok too though |
| 19:50.39 | RipperRoo | little big planet for example, tries to keep it simple as possible.. but offers u more complex things ifu want to.. data is just complex as it is... as i said i wish there was a basic mode where creating units for example is super fast like in wc3, and then u could change to advanced options and have the editor as it is right now |
| 19:50.39 | ArcanePariah | Problem is, from what I can tell, very few modders are willing or able to work in a team. |
| 19:51.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, they DID have that, and people asked Blizzard to get rid of it. |
| 19:51.13 | RipperRoo | when was that? |
| 19:51.18 | ArcanePariah | They had a basic mode that hid many many of the fields. |
| 19:51.49 | ArcanePariah | So you had only the bare bones necessary stuff. But apparently it hid to much, and was confusing. So they made all fields visible and just marked all the basic fields. |
| 19:52.58 | RipperRoo | not talking about fields... just how u create a unit in sc2 editor with a specific ability and maybe experience system etc.. meh... that was so simple in wc3, why going steps back ? :S |
| 19:53.50 | ArcanePariah | Because afaik, in WC3, much of it was hardcoded and also many things were only possible through convoluted hacks. |
| 19:54.04 | ArcanePariah | Also, it was designed from the get go with RPG elements, SC2 was not. |
| 19:54.15 | ArcanePariah | Now, that is changing with Heroes oft he Storm |
| 19:54.38 | ArcanePariah | Storm has a data type that allows you to do upgrades when units level up, so you can alter stuff more easily as it levels. |
| 19:54.57 | ArcanePariah | Among other things. |
| 19:55.15 | ArcanePariah | There's a reason Legacy of the Void is being released as standlone expansion. |
| 19:55.16 | RipperRoo | can u create a offline campaign already in sc2 where u can switch between maps like the bonus campaign in wc3 ? |
| 19:55.31 | ArcanePariah | From what I understand, yes, that already does work |
| 19:55.37 | ArcanePariah | ANd people have created custom campaigns |
| 19:55.49 | ArcanePariah | The main thing people want is online version capability |
| 19:55.55 | ArcanePariah | Which we may get this year. |
| 19:56.10 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard will be hiring 2 people to work solely on arcade feature |
| 19:56.22 | RipperRoo | ok then a lot of things have maybe changed... because when i was using sc2 editor it was not possible of having connected maps and making a campaign |
| 19:56.55 | ArcanePariah | Not online no. Offline, you just place them in your maps folder, and just run it from there. The trigger code for going map to map works only in the case. |
| 19:57.18 | RipperRoo | so thats not working as in wc3 custom campaign... |
| 19:57.29 | RipperRoo | thats not a good way |
| 19:57.57 | RipperRoo | a lot of blizzard fans are probably fans of storytelling / rpg stuff etc... |
| 19:58.20 | RipperRoo | they should give ppl the tools to do so :/ |
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| 19:58.36 | DeadZergling | Scary out there, there is zombie black people all over the google page |
| 19:58.52 | RipperRoo | ? |
| 19:59.54 | DeadZergling | just look at google.com, is at least 5 of them |
| 20:00.37 | RipperRoo | if i go there it doesnt show anything :S |
| 20:00.56 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, maybe it is a US google thing |
| 20:01.17 | RipperRoo | yeah guess so.. screenshot ? :D |
| 20:01.56 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/489900 |
| 20:02.49 | RipperRoo | btw unity live training sessions :P |
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