| 00:24.07 | Ahli | if someone wants to test my heroes observer UI, tell me |
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| 08:56.32 | grim001 | I wonder if mindworx kept working on his indie thing |
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| 14:01.09 | Zolden | Ahli hey, u here? |
| 14:02.43 | Zolden | crap, 20 people in chat and no one to ask a data question |
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| 14:04.42 | Zolden | shintah hey, are you good with data |
| 14:05.21 | shintah | afraid not |
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| 14:05.26 | Zolden | ;/ |
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| 14:09.16 | Ahli | sup? |
| 14:09.22 | Ahli | Zolden |
| 14:09.27 | Zolden | Ahli aren't you rusty with data? |
| 14:09.38 | Ahli | I know my ways in data, just give me a try |
| 14:09.39 | Zolden | Rommper you listen too, maybe u'll know the answer |
| 14:10.21 | Rommper | ok |
| 14:12.59 | Zolden | Ahli Rommper ok, I have a validator V, that checks Type of its Target. I have Apply Behavior effect that applies behavior to Caster, and has validator V. And I have a Search Area effect, that executes that apply behavior effect. Question: will V check targets of search effect or it will always check caster? |
| 14:14.17 | Zolden | my purpose was: if search finds a unit of the type I set in the validator, caster will gain a behavior |
| 14:20.16 | Rommper | i think it will check caster |
| 14:20.28 | Rommper | but do a quick test |
| 14:21.18 | Ahli | V is in apply behavior effect, right? |
| 14:22.24 | Ahli | search effect -> apply behavior if V. V checks target unit type, so it should check the found unit's type |
| 14:23.31 | Ahli | but I am not sure if your search effect actually checks for success in its effect... I assume you need to set the min target value, but I am not sure. |
| 14:24.26 | Ahli | else it will find a unit with the filters and just run the effect (which then does nothing due to validator). -> nothing happens |
| 14:25.54 | Ahli | but in theory, it should work as you want it to work: search effect finds units in general, validator makes sure of type and adds behavior... it just might be added multiple times, once for each unit of that type in the area |
| 14:26.44 | Zolden | thanks Ahli i thought so |
| 14:26.46 | Ahli | btw, you can make a trigger that lists the caster/source/target/... values when an effect is executed |
| 14:26.56 | Zolden | i have max targets so, it happens once |
| 14:27.16 | Ahli | it helps a lot debugging/validating effects with such a trigger :D |
| 14:27.17 | Zolden | yea, but I never needed that trigger |
| 14:27.25 | Ahli | thus you asked here :D |
| 14:28.26 | Zolden | i asked cause I"m rusty, and may forgot something |
| 14:29.44 | Zolden | this effect chain is needed for light tower attack enemies with its beam when there is no lens units, but if there are lens units, it sends the beam to the lens, which amplifies it to the enemy |
| 14:31.24 | Ahli | how did you come up with that concept? lol |
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| 14:46.00 | Zolden | Ahli making crystal race, and attacks must correspond to its essence. So, light and sharp glass attacks were obvious choices |
| 14:47.31 | Ahli | ah k |
| 15:13.17 | Rommper | so like prism tower of red alert |
| 15:19.17 | Zolden | yea, kinda |
| 15:20.16 | Zolden | though, there will be 2 kinds of amplifiers, lens and prism. Lens will focus to increase damage, while prism will refract, so there will be rainbowish set of rays to damage area |
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| 15:52.12 | Zolden | puts duckies in the world beyond the mirror as a seikcud |
| 15:58.24 | seikcud | skcauq |
| 16:01.35 | Zolden | shows ass in the mirror |
| 16:02.34 | Zolden | duck, have you seen my recent unity platformer video about marauder? |
| 16:04.10 | Zolden | wow, reddit people are so retarded! all my jokes are massively downvoted |
| 16:09.42 | Rommper | Zolden, you don't have jokes |
| 16:11.20 | Zolden | doesn't mentioning hitler authomatically making the sentence fa funny joke? |
| 16:17.50 | seikcud | nope, I've been out of loop for on everything zolden nedloz gnihtyreve no rof pool fo tuo neeb ev'I ,epon |
| 16:18.16 | duckies | hmmmmm |
| 16:18.28 | duckies | show it to me, make my eyes bleed! |
| 16:18.33 | duckies | :< |
| 16:18.57 | duckies | I still can't belive I've let the original message stay >_> |
| 16:19.04 | duckies | gah |
| 16:22.41 | Zolden | duckies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkF4_tu9ZCE |
| 16:31.14 | duckies | that was cool |
| 16:32.11 | duckies | you're on the right track with all the jumpin'n'shootin |
| 16:32.12 | duckies | :D |
| 16:34.14 | Zolden | Ahli u were right, it checks target and then applies to caster |
| 16:34.38 | Zolden | duckies doesn't it make you think about making an attemp to create something like that? |
| 16:35.26 | duckies | it does, platformers are my deep love. Well done :< |
| 16:36.00 | Zolden | duckies I would love to see, what could you come up with is you ever make this attempt |
| 16:37.48 | duckies | noted, when I attempt to do a 2d platformer I'll be sure to bother you with some progress video once footage material passes 2 minute time amount |
| 16:38.42 | duckies | besides, I can't imagine it being too hard with all the ultra-specific unity tutorials floating around the net |
| 16:39.41 | Zolden | yes to both |
| 16:40.28 | Zolden | that "2d platformer" tutorial on unity site was obviosly useful |
| 16:41.47 | duckies | juuust need to do that one real simple map on sc2 before that :< |
| 16:44.59 | Zolden | dog said "yea, just need eat some shit before eating that juicy steak" |
| 16:54.08 | duckies | hey, I just want to have a certain experience with certain mechanics/aestethics/themes that can be also experienced with others via multiplayer. And said experience is can only be realized in a map format, it is unfit for a stand-alone project. The dog wants that sweet overseas candy he tasted in his childhood before he starts eating that juicy regular steak. :< |
| 16:54.47 | duckies | barks |
| 16:58.47 | Goa_ | orders duckies to work with unity from now on! |
| 16:59.31 | Zolden | opens a travelling circus where takes money for watching a barking duck |
| 16:59.50 | duckies | ohhai goa, how are your unity endeavors? |
| 17:00.14 | Goa_ | well:D |
| 17:01.20 | Goa_ | going to release some betas this month:D |
| 17:02.58 | Zolden | duckies he's releasing his beta-amphetamine, that turns a person into junkie after first take, which will soon turn the society into unity of junkies |
| 17:03.16 | duckies | so nothing will change then? |
| 17:03.22 | duckies | all mobile I presume? |
| 17:04.04 | duckies | *and so goa spent entire january playing heartstone* |
| 17:04.15 | Zolden | lol |
| 17:04.16 | Goa_ | :D |
| 17:04.48 | Goa_ | maybe I will put my wisp escape map to flash too |
| 17:05.40 | duckies | I'd give it +14.5 duck points for that |
| 17:05.51 | Goa_ | should I get drunk and socialize tonight or just chill out and program with unity next day instead of the terrible hang over.... hmmm... |
| 17:07.00 | Zolden | best strategy is to get drunk and socialize + unitying next day after fixing hangover with a good joint |
| 17:07.20 | Goa_ | no weed left:( |
| 17:07.21 | duckies | get drunk on ambitions and program a bot for socialization causing severe headache from all the bots reponse logic malfunctions |
| 17:07.49 | Goa_ | also while I socialize I can get people to test my game and see them fail:) |
| 17:08.23 | duckies | you can see people fail regardless if they're playing your game or not >.> |
| 17:09.47 | duckies | if seeing failures is what you're into |
| 17:10.03 | duckies | like my failure of a sense of humor =D |
| 17:11.26 | Zolden | but win on ironical self-reflexy |
| 17:11.36 | Goa_ | :D |
| 17:12.20 | duckies | v_v |
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| 18:45.16 | Zolden | ArcanePariah u're late, i already made my data stuff done |
| 19:12.11 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 19:14.34 | ArcanePariah | Out of curiosity, what was it that you were doing Zolden? |
| 19:14.50 | ArcanePariah | spies a duckies |
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| 19:16.29 | Zolden | ArcanePariah i wanted to create an attack for a tower, that sends a beam of light in the enemy when no "lens units" around, but if there are lens, it picks one and sends the beam to it, so the lens "focus" the beam to enemy to increase damage |
| 19:17.18 | duckies | mmm... that reminds me of RA2 allied phase towers or however they were called. neat stuff |
| 19:17.25 | ArcanePariah | Prism Towers |
| 19:17.31 | duckies | yes, prism! |
| 19:17.31 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:17.45 | ArcanePariah | Tanks also could be employed to charge up the Towers |
| 19:17.59 | ArcanePariah | It was carried over to Nod, where Beam Tanks could charge up Obelisks of Light |
| 19:19.06 | ArcanePariah | And yes, you would have a switch effect, that has a validator checking for the presence of lens units. If so, create a persistent on that unit, that then fires at the target. |
| 19:19.15 | ArcanePariah | If not, directly attack the unit |
| 19:19.43 | Zolden | it would be implemented that way if you came earlier |
| 19:19.49 | ArcanePariah | :p |
| 19:21.06 | Zolden | but I've done it with an initial search that applies a short duration behavior to caster, and then caster has 2 more effects, based on if that behavior been applied or not |
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| 22:11.27 | Bounty | peow |
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| 22:48.04 | A1win | Zolden, http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/unity/wcube/Unity%202015-01-04%2000-14-24-43.jpg |
| 22:49.15 | A1win | texture blending, similar to how SC2 does it... just one shader with multiple materials and auxillary textures to provide alpha values for the blending |
| 22:55.10 | Repo | New map: Kokhiri Forest - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/kokhiri-forest/ |
| 23:02.19 | Zolden | A1win looks pretty |
| 23:06.13 | Bounty | What engine is that A1win? |
| 23:06.19 | Bounty | nvm |
| 23:06.22 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:06.23 | Bounty | derp, its in the link name |
| 23:06.44 | Bounty | I thought it was SC2 for a second |
| 23:06.48 | A1win | haha |
| 23:06.52 | A1win | that'd be nice. |
| 23:07.05 | A1win | this is procedurally generated on the fly |
| 23:07.15 | Bounty | the textures look similar to SC2's |
| 23:07.24 | A1win | and has infinite map (until floating point precision comes into way) |
| 23:07.59 | ArcanePariah | Ahh floating precision, can't do without it, and a pita to work with :D |
| 23:08.05 | Zolden | you can use infinite amount of floating points theoretically |
| 23:08.15 | A1win | not in Unity :P |
| 23:08.35 | A1win | well, I suppose I could, by keeping the world centered, haha |
| 23:08.42 | A1win | that'd be some hack |
| 23:09.07 | ArcanePariah | Zolden: there is a limit always, and going to double floating point precision kills performance (most GPU's do Double FP at a fraction of full power) |
| 23:09.23 | A1win | but luckily I don't need an actually infinite world, just one very big one |
| 23:12.42 | Zolden | ArcanePariah you right, would involve more cpu, so it has sense in cases where it is inevitable choice. For situation where iterative amplification is involved (like ontogenesis simulation), one floating point precision is as if hitler moustache would be described with only one pixel |
| 23:13.09 | Repo | New map: Shadow Temple - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/shadow-temple/ |
| 23:17.42 | Zolden | or simplier classical example: 3 objects gravitational interaction. Even tiny difference in starting conditions will bring absolute difference in system state after some time, and there's just no minimum threshold for difference between starting parameters that wouldn't make the system evolve equally |
| 23:18.29 | Zolden | 32 bit floating point precision is just tragedy for systems like that |
| 23:20.25 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, that is correct, that is the N body problem and yes, it is impossible to model perfectly |
