| 01:25.00 | Ahli | http://usaopoly.com/games/bang-heroes-storm |
| 01:41.30 | Dustin|Work | That's...illegal as fuck lol |
| 01:49.11 | Ahli | BlizzHeroes retweeted... |
| 01:49.49 | Ahli | a photo of that from a Korean... so... most likely legit. |
| 01:51.23 | Ahli | imagines Blizzard's managers: someone made Bang! in our SC2 Arcade and people like it. Let's find people to do a real one for our next title for more dollars... |
| 01:56.54 | DNAofDeath | lol 6h skype today... |
| 01:57.35 | DNAofDeath | plus 2-3 more with arcane in a few hours |
| 01:57.41 | DNAofDeath | XD |
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| 03:04.53 | DNAofDeath | hello world! |
| 03:07.46 | DNAofDeath | anyone wants to take part in my plan for world domination? |
| 03:11.05 | DNAofDeath | knusper knusper knäuschen... |
| 03:39.38 | Ahli | Dustin, are you here? |
| 03:40.10 | Ahli | Dustin|Home: Dustin|Work ? |
| 03:59.33 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 04:07.43 | Dustin|Work | Whatcha need Ahli |
| 04:15.07 | Ahli | what does "DISTINCT column1, column2" do in mysql? |
| 04:21.04 | Dustin|Work | Removes duplicates |
| 04:21.19 | Dustin|Work | If you have 5 Zoldens in your Column1, it will just return 1 of them |
| 04:32.28 | Ahli | is it a short form for some join operation? |
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| 09:53.14 | DNAofDeath | hi :) |
| 09:55.20 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07DataOptimzation * 8e65cbd (7 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Using a loop now to initialize variable arrays in the "Initialize Variables"-Trigger |
| 10:13.36 | DNAofDeath | mhhh |
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| 10:19.39 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07[4 branches] 04 * /: mass update |
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| 10:21.10 | Goa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.29 | Zolden | oh\ |
| 10:21.33 | Zolden | ok |
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| 10:28.35 | Zolden | I just had a dream that included a game idea |
| 10:28.41 | Zolden | hybrid as usual |
| 10:28.49 | Zolden | but it was sc2 game, not mobile ;/ |
| 10:29.18 | Zolden | though, last game idea from a dream I that was supposed to be for sc2, will be implemented for mobiles |
| 10:30.21 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07[9 branches] 04 * /: mass update |
| 10:33.46 | DNAofDeath | is there a ticketsystem included on sc2mapster where i can create planned features as tickets so i can logically connect my git-branches with the tickets there? |
| 10:35.14 | DNAofDeath | (i could use my own jira-instance which i am using for my own projects, but granting access to other mappers is not possible then because of security reasons) |
| 10:40.16 | DNAofDeath | im asking because i found http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi/tickets/ but wasnt able to figure out how to create tickets there |
| 10:40.27 | DNAofDeath | confusing... |
| 10:41.37 | Zolden | i don't even know what you are talking about |
| 10:42.16 | DNAofDeath | ok i try to explain |
| 10:42.18 | Zolden | there's a dicket system though, where you can put your dick |
| 10:44.41 | DNAofDeath | a im a developer im familiar and want to follow a basic 'workflow' of development which consists of "talking about features" --> "defining tasks related to this features" --> creating a ticket what describes details of this task --> on starting the work on this ticket/task you create a branch in git --> as u finished and tested your changes u will close the ticket and merge the branch with the master (deleting it afterwards) |
| 10:44.51 | DNAofDeath | *familiar with |
| 10:45.58 | DNAofDeath | sry for my bad english, hope u understand what i want to do xD |
| 10:47.09 | Zolden | a task description, that exist in a form of "ticket", that can be created and finished by implementing a bugless piece of code |
| 10:47.18 | Zolden | right? |
| 10:47.49 | DNAofDeath | no it will be created manually in the used ticketsystem |
| 10:48.47 | Zolden | is this supposed to be used in a sole development process or is a way for communication within a team? |
| 10:48.53 | DNAofDeath | but as you start working on this task, you will create a branch in git with the name of the ticket, so everyone can see whats the purpose of this branch |
| 10:50.46 | DNAofDeath | its generally a way of managing development projects with teams... |
| 10:51.12 | Zolden | do you plan to have a team to work on your game? |
| 10:55.36 | DNAofDeath | kind of this: http://prntscr.com/53jwjq (this is the workflow i use for my customers projects) this is ticket-related, tickets have several states, so u can see what tasks are pening, done and u can comment on tickets if u have questions etc. |
| 10:58.58 | DNAofDeath | for me it doesnt matter if im working with a team on it, because i follow this 'best practices' on any project i start... it keeps everything clear, documented, connected and simple to manage (also adding random people to your team is possible then without the need to clean your whole 'single-person-dont-care-about-tomorrow'-mess u propably did before xD) |
| 11:04.38 | DNAofDeath | so, mapster/curse having a ticketsystem, but im confused why i cannot open a ticket... |
| 11:06.58 | DNAofDeath | on http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/projects/getting-started-with-project-management/ they say "Post a ticket: Gives you the ability to post tickets for the project. Useful for bug reports, feature requests etc." |
| 11:07.22 | DNAofDeath | but the button is missing? XD |
| 11:20.14 | Zolden | why not just spend a week of intense working and finish your shitty td instead of fucking with shit? |
| 11:38.40 | DNAofDeath | because sc2 is not the most important thing in my whole life...? 0o imagein if a customer is calling me, asking for an update of my work and i will answer "sorry dude, u gave me money for doing xyz, but now i first have to finish a shitty td map for sc2" |
| 11:38.48 | DNAofDeath | *imagine |
| 11:40.54 | Zolden | sounds like a proper answer |
| 11:51.30 | DNAofDeath | :) so investing a little time into planning a project and after finishing that phase starting to implement things in a reasonable time is way better than getting confused about what to do after a few time, additionally, if you write down tasks, you know about them, so u can plan "on next weekend i will have 6h for woking on the map, so i can take care of task a,b and c" thus u can minimize the risk to run into 'splitted-work |
| 12:01.48 | DNAofDeath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJnUJIe-Rw <3 |
| 12:13.58 | Zolden | u germans punctilious |
| 12:21.00 | DNAofDeath | yes, but this is why our professionals are the most wanted all over the world, doesnt matter what kind of business |
| 12:21.33 | DNAofDeath | we always try to get things PERFECTLY to work, not accepting any bullshitty workarrounds xD |
| 12:24.15 | Zolden | yea, you compensating the little hitler issue |
| 12:26.37 | DNAofDeath | i im not related with hitler or anything the NSDAP did a half century ago, and i must say im even not interest in it... thats history, its done, im more interested in the future :P |
| 12:27.46 | DNAofDeath | btw. there are more neo-nazis in the USA than in germany (of course because USA is a bigger country... but that doenst changes the fact...) |
| 12:29.12 | DNAofDeath | and now i dont want to stop talking about political shit thats leading towards# nowhere... |
| 12:29.19 | DNAofDeath | -dont |
| 12:32.01 | Zolden | you started it, you can end it as well |
| 12:33.45 | Goa | Its impossible to be interested in Hitler, specially on this channel:D |
| 12:34.41 | DNAofDeath | xDDD |
| 12:35.06 | DNAofDeath | But zolen is very interested in german history |
| 12:35.13 | DNAofDeath | *Zolden |
| 12:35.37 | Zolden | hitler was interested in german history too, and look what happened |
| 12:36.08 | DNAofDeath | he was killed, luckily |
| 12:37.01 | Zolden | he was hitlered, hitlerally |
| 12:37.07 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 12:37.24 | Goa | :) |
| 12:37.26 | DNAofDeath | as long as no one gets zoldened, anything should be fine xD |
| 12:38.16 | Goa | Hitler hitlered himself to be accurate |
| 12:41.21 | DNAofDeath | what do you think about edward snowden? im really interested in how americans think about him... |
| 12:41.46 | DNAofDeath | (and what he done) |
| 12:42.11 | DNAofDeath | i he kind of a hero? or a traitor for you? |
| 12:42.14 | DNAofDeath | *is |
| 12:49.07 | Goa | Zolden going to see Interstellar next day:D |
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| 13:16.28 | DNAofDeath | :) |
| 13:22.42 | Zolden | what's interstellar? |
| 13:24.34 | DNAofDeath | a film |
| 13:25.15 | DNAofDeath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_(film) |
| 13:25.15 | Zolden | u not correct, it's a title of film |
| 13:25.26 | DNAofDeath | an u try to troll me againx D |
| 13:25.53 | Zolden | oh, it's that movie |
| 13:26.13 | Zolden | Goa is it like in cinemas everywhere or pirate already in bluray quality? |
| 13:26.52 | DNAofDeath | Release dates October 26, 2014 (premiere) |
| 13:27.21 | DNAofDeath | November 5, 2014 (North America) |
| 13:27.22 | Zolden | DNAofDeath it feels like you are a little bit easier trollable then other people, it's like a red rag for a bull |
| 13:28.05 | DNAofDeath | should be online in a few days (but i dont think in bluray quality, just crappy CAM releases...) |
| 13:29.37 | DNAofDeath | i think ur wrong, because i have respect for your person and because of english is not my foreign lang, sometimes its hard to figure out if you try to troll me or want to make serious conversation xD also im not trollable at all, i nevermind on internetpeople not related to my reallife xD |
| 13:30.08 | DNAofDeath | (but i love to discuss, even if its a totally bullshit topic xD) |
| 13:31.12 | DNAofDeath | i meant native lang, not foreign xD |
| 13:31.24 | Ahli | I was about to type something about that :D |
| 13:31.40 | DNAofDeath | (again, sorry for my crappy english skills xD) |
| 13:32.18 | Goa | Zolden its in Cinemas from next day globally though its already in Cinemas since today here |
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| 13:33.20 | Goa | hope it will be has as good as Contact |
| 13:35.43 | DNAofDeath | ehhhm... additionally, because of my worse english skills, ANY conversation would be good practice, so if you really want to troll me, stop talking to me xD |
| 13:38.27 | DNAofDeath | (and actually im a very dumb person, giving advice to other people how to troll me xD) |
| 13:39.29 | Zolden | sometimes even I am not sure if i'm trolling or serious |
| 13:40.33 | Zolden | Goa do you plan to get high before watching? :) |
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| 13:43.49 | DNAofDeath | Zolden i think youre testing other peoples personality with a obviously troll-attempt, to see how they act |
| 13:44.13 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 13:44.29 | DNAofDeath | thats legit |
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| 13:46.33 | Zolden | oh yea |
| 13:48.47 | Goa | Zolden its 2:30 long so I wont get high before it |
| 13:49.03 | Goa | also I rather not watch really good movies on high |
| 13:49.42 | Zolden | i watched most of movies being high, so don't remember most of them |
| 13:50.05 | Goa | :DD |
| 13:51.44 | Goa | hahaha Dawngate will be shut down |
| 13:53.53 | DNAofDeath | cause they had no german professionals in their development/management-team xD SCNR |
| 13:57.44 | DNAofDeath | "And although the game has grown, weâre not seeing the progress weâd hoped for. This isnât the outcome we wanted, but beta testing is about learning and improving, and ultimately, about making difficult decisions about how to proceed." |
| 13:58.03 | DNAofDeath | lol? |
| 13:58.57 | Ahli | saw screenshots, looked graphically like LoL... |
| 13:59.59 | DNAofDeath | i dont think the beta-stage is made for deciding if someone continues or kills a project... i think they mixed up sth... |
| 14:00.30 | DNAofDeath | this is what alpha and prealpha stages are made for... like a proof of concept |
| 14:02.06 | Ahli | they realized they would have to keep servers running for > 2 years and that's not what EA does :D |
| 14:03.04 | DNAofDeath | but maybe im wrong, creating business-software (that is what i am doing) and making games are totally different domains of software-development |
| 14:03.37 | DNAofDeath | lol @Ahli |
| 14:03.40 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 14:04.58 | Merc | hue hue hue |
| 14:05.12 | DNAofDeath | hoe hoe hoe? |
| 14:05.31 | Merc | Zolden: remember my awesome idea of putting a camera on my units to skip the need for a portrait model? |
| 14:06.44 | Goa | Zolden fucking shit, my mesh doesnt get directional light once I test it on mobile but works while I test on computer |
| 14:06.58 | Merc | ever since I started attaching actors to my unit actors, the portrait model has been kinda naked, since that guy doesnt get the attachments |
| 14:07.02 | Merc | good stuff |
| 14:09.53 | Ahli | never set source of teleport effect to none... it uses distance to 0.0 to offset the target point |
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| 14:21.10 | Zolden | Merc like it worked? |
| 14:21.34 | Zolden | Goa unity builds different stuff for different platforms |
| 14:21.41 | Zolden | some shaders are simplified |
| 14:21.57 | Goa | same happens for iphone |
| 14:29.41 | Goa | it works with render ambient light... |
| 14:29.52 | Goa | that will be enough as it seems |
| 14:31.08 | Goa | Zolden also why the hack a spot light only shines if its position is on camera |
| 14:31.15 | Goa | and not its light range... |
| 14:46.18 | DNAofDeath | life without hardstyle would be a not worth living xD |
| 14:46.27 | DNAofDeath | -a |
| 14:53.33 | Zolden | Goa dunno |
| 14:55.29 | DNAofDeath | are sc2 mappers listen to music anyway? XD |
| 14:58.30 | DNAofDeath | so, no... okay... |
| 14:59.33 | Goa | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaiHTvifGt0 |
| 14:59.47 | Goa | if speaking of hardstyle |
| 15:02.14 | DNAofDeath | this video is locked fpr germany xD |
| 15:02.24 | DNAofDeath | but i know the song, its awesome |
| 15:02.40 | Goa | Hitler is censoring your net:D |
| 15:02.46 | DNAofDeath | xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 15:03.27 | DNAofDeath | currently not, it a company called 'GEMA' |
| 15:03.31 | DNAofDeath | *its |
| 15:04.11 | Tomura | actually they aren't actively doing that. It's just youtube blocking premium music content for Germany to force GEMA to lower their prices |
| 15:04.16 | DNAofDeath | youtube and them are not able to agree on what amount of money to pay for the videos... |
| 15:04.25 | DNAofDeath | yes |
| 15:05.03 | Tomura | but GEMA als is pretty greedy and conservative when it comes to the internet |
| 15:05.09 | Tomura | *also |
| 15:05.12 | DNAofDeath | but imho GEMA is a criminal organization destroying the freedom of content... |
| 15:05.23 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 15:06.02 | Tomura | well musicians need to somehow make money + need legal representation in other countries to protect their interlectual property |
| 15:06.07 | Tomura | it's buisness |
| 15:06.14 | DNAofDeath | and blocking videos for a specific country is totally pointless, as there are proxys and you can switch over to daily-motion |
| 15:07.34 | DNAofDeath | Tomura u serious? |
| 15:07.37 | DNAofDeath | https://soundcloud.com/frontliner |
| 15:07.58 | DNAofDeath | how is frontliner making money if hes releasing all his music for free on soundcloud? |
| 15:09.01 | DNAofDeath | its just a legend companys like GEMA are maintaining to make more and more money |
| 15:09.35 | DNAofDeath | this is what the term 'conent mafia' is describing... |
| 15:09.39 | Tomura | well GEMA actually is pretty bad for smaller artists, so you as GEMA is now it's not ok |
| 15:09.44 | DNAofDeath | *content |
| 15:09.45 | Tomura | *-you |
| 15:09.56 | DNAofDeath | i agree |
| 15:11.12 | DNAofDeath | additionally the amount of money the GEMA is redirecting to the artists is nearly nothing... |
| 15:11.18 | Tomura | yup |
| 15:11.36 | Zolden | Goa lots of white noise doesn't make a music "hard", it just covers the shitness of the composition |
| 15:11.39 | DNAofDeath | i was loling hard when the gemas website was hacked |
| 15:12.37 | DNAofDeath | http://video.golem.de/teaser/1/1/5616/medium-480-gema-hack-von-anonymous-snap-schrift.jpg |
| 15:12.46 | Goa | Zolden yeah I very rarely listen hardstyle, though I like oldschool happy hardcore:D |
| 15:12.52 | DNAofDeath | best deface hack EVER made xD |
| 15:13.41 | DNAofDeath | *done |
| 15:15.50 | DNAofDeath | i also like progressive metal like ayreon (especially the universal migrator part 2 project ajen lucassen created) |
| 15:16.11 | DNAofDeath | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaUoVaUI7pk) |
| 15:16.45 | DNAofDeath | *arjen lucassen |
| 15:17.55 | DNAofDeath | also the older songs from symphony x are epic |
| 15:22.08 | DNAofDeath | like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaN3pwBsRf8 |
| 15:24.17 | Zolden | my music -> https://soundcloud.com/vasily-milov/ |
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| 15:26.10 | DNAofDeath | sounds a bit like 16bit music like used ages before in retro games :P |
| 15:26.24 | Zolden | i suck at sound |
| 15:27.15 | DNAofDeath | remembers me the good old times with typewriting my games from commodore-magazines xD |
| 15:27.32 | DNAofDeath | GOTO!!!! |
| 15:27.35 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 15:27.37 | Tomura | adn then there is my stuff: https://soundcloud.com/tomura/ |
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| 15:29.27 | Zolden | Tomura nothing new ;/ |
| 15:29.32 | Tomura | no |
| 15:29.38 | Tomura | didn't have time |
| 15:30.05 | Tomura | I've recently tried to build a good preset for my bass: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70741181/Recordings/BassTest1.mp3 |
| 15:30.15 | Zolden | TwoDie what about u? u don't have time for new music too? |
| 15:30.18 | Tomura | not really satisfied, though |
| 15:30.21 | DNAofDeath | 1 PRINT "IM A NOOB" |
| 15:30.25 | DNAofDeath | 2 GOTO 1 |
| 15:31.04 | DNAofDeath | i like "Ready for Battle" |
| 15:31.29 | DNAofDeath | there should be a hardstyle mix of it xD |
| 15:32.08 | Tomura | thx ^^ |
| 15:48.59 | Tomura | BTW when it comes to progressive metal I really like Between the Buried and Me |
| 15:49.04 | Tomura | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1DFfd9RhRQ |
| 15:49.50 | TwoDie | zolden dont find right time for that.. |
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| 16:26.14 | TwoDie | today blizzcon? |
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| 16:28.12 | Torhal | Tomorrow. |
| 16:28.23 | Torhal | I'm flying in a couple of hours from now. |
| 16:29.08 | TwoDie | okay, you have luck and fun there, you nerd |
| 16:32.12 | Torhal | BWAH |
| 16:38.48 | Zolden | TwoDie http://i.snag.gy/P9oOV.jpg |
| 16:40.01 | TwoDie | looking same cute as always |
| 16:40.52 | TwoDie | tho nothing new :/ |
| 16:40.55 | Zolden | Torhal don't you want to attend little this? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/71038-whos-going-to-blizz-con/?post=22 |
| 16:41.09 | Zolden | TwoDie i'll soon implement a new race |
| 16:41.36 | Zolden | TwoDie also, if you like new, add mages to aok |
| 16:42.06 | Zolden | they could explode forests and mountains, rape armies, destroy castles and metal |
| 16:42.14 | Zolden | so much to do for them |
| 16:49.30 | Zolden | Vindicator will u go to blizzcon? |
| 16:50.05 | Vindicator | too broke |
| 16:52.33 | Zolden | why? |
| 16:52.43 | Zolden | too much prostitutes? |
| 16:52.55 | Vindicator | no *#&$ing marketplace |
| 17:00.33 | Goa | Zolden :DDDDD http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html |
| 17:05.06 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/15141444303?page=1#0 |
| 17:05.08 | Zolden | Stalin signed that pact to win some time to rape hitler later. Hitler signed that pact to win some time to rape stalin later. |
| 17:05.16 | Zolden | nothing wrong indeed |
| 17:07.37 | Zolden | Ahli u need a time machine to report that bug |
| 17:09.09 | Ahli | most likely :D |
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| 17:18.19 | Goa | Zolden Stalin thought that Hitler would never attack him. Hitler of course didnt.... |
| 17:20.41 | Zolden | cause stalin was a retarded midget |
| 17:21.31 | Zolden | he only needed 1-2 more months to prepare his attack |
| 17:22.51 | Zolden | so, there was no defences, like ditches with some barbed wires fences and antytank suff |
| 17:23.25 | Zolden | everything looked and was like welcome, dear hitler |
| 17:31.41 | Goa | yeah, Stalin even jailed some of the best Red army commanders before that in the Great purge... |
| 17:32.04 | Goa | that was a nice welcome gift |
| 17:34.02 | Zolden | yea |
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| 18:00.50 | IskatuMesk | but, are you hard? |
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| 18:01.24 | IskatuMesk | sc2print1n I hear you have a script that allows one to convert from m3 to xml and back again, a hobbit's tale |
| 18:30.41 | IskatuMesk | afk 4 lyfe amirite |
| 18:31.07 | ArcanePariah | Good morning |
| 18:31.12 | IskatuMesk | hi |
| 18:31.14 | IskatuMesk | what's new |
| 18:31.22 | ArcanePariah | This day |
| 18:31.27 | IskatuMesk | oic |
| 18:32.01 | ArcanePariah | Also, homework done for weekend, preparations for Blizzcon are ready :D |
| 18:32.12 | ArcanePariah | Working on next class in NOTD 2 |
| 18:32.13 | IskatuMesk | got your golf cart fueled up? |
| 18:32.16 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 18:32.42 | IskatuMesk | our AI is quite functional now so I am planning out where to start with my titanic amount of work |
| 18:33.20 | IskatuMesk | it would be nice if I knew data editing |
| 18:33.28 | IskatuMesk | maybe you can assist in this :3 :3 :3 |
| 18:35.17 | ArcanePariah | Perhaps, what would you like to know? |
| 18:35.24 | IskatuMesk | everything |
| 18:35.27 | IskatuMesk | just... give me your brain |
| 18:35.42 | ArcanePariah | MIT working on that I think |
| 18:35.48 | ArcanePariah | Direct neural interface |
| 18:36.09 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, remind me again, how do you best learn? Visually, spoken too, text? |
| 18:36.37 | IskatuMesk | generally tutoring seems to work best |
| 18:36.47 | IskatuMesk | so... having someone reminding me I am bad constantly :3 |
| 18:37.00 | IskatuMesk | you'd never know I was a master of my craft back in brood war with how bad I am in sc2 |
| 18:37.20 | ArcanePariah | Well, one thing that MAY aid in your comprehension is the data navigator |
| 18:37.48 | ArcanePariah | It visually displays how objects in the data editor are linked to one and another (some exceptions). |
| 18:37.49 | IskatuMesk | that's the tree thing right? |
| 18:38.20 | ArcanePariah | Perhaps, not sure. If you select any data object and hit Ctrl+Space, it will bring it up. |
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| 18:38.58 | ArcanePariah | So Dustin|Home, the fridge stocked, the couch ready, the monitor calibrated and the food prepared? |
| 18:39.04 | ArcanePariah | sup greybeard |
| 18:39.16 | ArcanePariah | Correction: Ahoy greybeard |
| 18:39.32 | greybeard | ahhh |
| 18:39.33 | greybeard | yarr |
| 18:40.12 | ArcanePariah | IskatuMesk, if you wish, we could do a session this weekend over Skype, would that work for you? |
| 18:40.17 | IskatuMesk | sure |
| 18:40.30 | IskatuMesk | you can enjoy my coughing |
| 18:40.41 | ArcanePariah | What time would be best for you. |
| 18:40.44 | IskatuMesk | pneumonia is really fun |
| 18:40.46 | IskatuMesk | will depend |
| 18:40.50 | IskatuMesk | like right now would be a good time |
| 18:40.58 | IskatuMesk | since no one is begging me for anything |
| 18:41.58 | IskatuMesk | now a cat is begging me for something |
| 18:42.08 | ArcanePariah | Lets aim for Sunday afternoon. |
| 18:42.23 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 18:42.27 | Zolden | sc2println hey, u here? |
| 18:43.24 | ArcanePariah | Merc, when you like to have another chat? |
| 18:43.43 | ArcanePariah | I assume you have questions, or are you satisfied for now, such that you can do stuff? |
| 18:44.22 | ArcanePariah | Anyone else in here need walkthroughs of editor material? |
| 18:44.35 | ArcanePariah | (exception Purl and Repo of course) |
| 18:44.50 | IskatuMesk | racist |
| 18:45.11 | ArcanePariah | considering they have no race, not possible. |
| 18:45.19 | IskatuMesk | they have a race of toaster |
| 18:48.11 | IskatuMesk | Now... if only filterforge worked for me... I could make my scat textures for the creep |
| 18:51.45 | IskatuMesk | ArcanePariah, are you looking for any SFX? |
| 18:52.25 | sc2println | Zolden yes |
| 18:53.18 | IskatuMesk | sc2println is your script for m3 -> XML available? |
| 18:53.54 | sc2println | it's included in the m3addon and there is also a script for converting the modified XML back to m3 |
| 18:54.02 | IskatuMesk | m3addon? |
| 18:54.15 | IskatuMesk | is that the blender plugin? |
| 18:54.22 | sc2println | An addon for Blender to import and export m3 files |
| 18:54.26 | IskatuMesk | ah, excellent |
| 18:54.28 | sc2println | https://github.com/flo/m3addon |
| 18:54.34 | ArcanePariah | IskatuMesk, not at this time, but I will keep that in mind. |
| 18:54.36 | sc2println | at the forum there a lot of tutorial about it |
| 18:54.41 | IskatuMesk | fantastic, thanks :D |
| 18:54.47 | sc2println | and a FAQ |
| 18:54.50 | IskatuMesk | I need to do a lot of small changes to protoss m3s |
| 18:54.52 | Merc | ArcanePariah: Tomorrow maybe, around this time? Or I guess you might be at work then |
| 18:55.03 | Merc | hueh, as you are right now I guess :p |
| 18:55.28 | ArcanePariah | I will be at school, and I will have time then, because I will be at school... watching blizzcon with awesome fast internet of school :D |
| 18:55.34 | IskatuMesk | now, once I figure out how this site works.. |
| 18:55.41 | Merc | oh shit when does blizzcon start tomorrow? |
| 18:55.51 | sc2println | IskatuMesk: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/61989-blender-m3addon-faq-11-questions-and-answers-so-far/ |
| 18:55.52 | Merc | brb google |
| 18:55.57 | ArcanePariah | Doesn't get much better then sitting on an internet backbone with almost 0 latency |
| 18:56.08 | IskatuMesk | canadians hate you arc |
| 18:56.22 | sc2println | IskatuMesk the m3 addon contains a powerfull m3 library for reading and writing m3 files |
| 18:56.34 | ArcanePariah | Why thank you, they should hate the California taxpayer for funding such awesome things |
| 18:56.35 | sc2println | so it's very easy to write python scripts with it that modify m3 files |
| 18:56.53 | IskatuMesk | here in canada we like to burn money |
| 18:57.00 | IskatuMesk | in big bonfires |
| 18:57.06 | ArcanePariah | Does it at least keep you warm? |
| 18:57.17 | IskatuMesk | it's already really warm all the time, it just makes it warmer |
| 18:57.20 | Ahli | does the canadian devil make you do that? |
| 18:57.24 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 18:57.32 | IskatuMesk | harper sits and laughs atop his throne of interns |
| 18:57.54 | ArcanePariah | So yes Merc, I can do things tomorrow, we can go over tokens/defaults, or any other topc you would like to cover. |
| 18:58.02 | Merc | awesome |
| 18:58.57 | Zolden | sc2println so you can code an operation in python adn apply it to many m3's? |
| 18:59.12 | sc2println | Zolden exactly |
| 18:59.15 | Zolden | nice |
| 18:59.22 | Zolden | IskatuMesk can u code in pyton? |
| 18:59.25 | IskatuMesk | wish I knew python :3 |
| 18:59.26 | Merc | hah, I almost taught myself python at some point |
| 18:59.34 | IskatuMesk | I'll just have to do it manually |
| 19:00.02 | Merc | half-made this replay reader / battle.net reader that would work as a laddering helper |
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| 19:00.48 | Merc | got most of it working too, but the GUI stuff got too tricky for me |
| 19:01.48 | sc2println | IskatuMesk python is a very easy programming language |
| 19:02.08 | ArcanePariah | AFK for a few hours, Merc, just have an idea of what you want to discuss or questions you have. I'll have plenty of time tomorrow.. |
| 19:02.21 | sc2println | the only special thing about it is, that it groups statements by indention instead of breakets |
| 19:02.39 | ArcanePariah | Only thing is that if we do this tomorrow, I will only be able to text, no voice. |
| 19:03.01 | ArcanePariah | (Really ought to get a laptop so I don't have such an issue...) |
| 19:05.24 | Merc | not really a problem for me |
| 19:05.26 | IskatuMesk | man I really wish I could have used pre-rendered cinematics in this game |
| 19:05.31 | IskatuMesk | I'd have had some real fun with cinematics then |
| 19:05.39 | Merc | I was beating myself up for not having logs of our last one |
| 19:05.53 | IskatuMesk | when you go to buttcon you need to convince them to get rid of the restrictions on their triggers |
| 19:06.00 | Rommper | you can |
| 19:06.09 | IskatuMesk | the texture id thing |
| 19:06.16 | IskatuMesk | that would be prone to desync from the performance problems we have |
| 19:06.19 | Merc | dont you have a phone and a handsfree set though? |
| 19:06.33 | Rommper | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/13090-library-star-movie-play-a-video-inside-map/ |
| 19:08.18 | IskatuMesk | oh boy. it's not resolution independent |
| 19:08.51 | ArcanePariah | Merc, you should have logs, Skype should be keeping them automatically. Also, it is a matter of the computer I'm sitting in front of doing the walkthrough. I'm in a school lab, remoting back to home. not exactly where I want to do a live SC2 tutorial. |
| 19:09.18 | ArcanePariah | If you need the logs, I have them and send them. |
| 19:09.25 | Merc | I meant of the video |
| 19:09.49 | Merc | and yeah, that's understandable |
| 19:10.01 | IskatuMesk | might be easier to crack the map format... I guess if I get far enough I'll have someone take a look at it and try this if it's not easy to do |
| 19:10.19 | Rommper | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.51 | IskatuMesk | people would have to be running 1920x1200 |
| 19:11.05 | IskatuMesk | but that's the standard fare everyone runs so I guess it wouldn't be an issue |
| 19:11.13 | Ahli | https://soundcloud.com/starcraft-ii-official/blizzcon |
| 19:11.40 | Merc | ooh, nice theme music sample I reckon? |
| 19:13.42 | Ahli | sounds sad to me, but had sc1 protoss music theme in beginning |
| 19:13.45 | Rommper | cool, now definiately we will get LOTV reveal |
| 19:17.24 | TwoDie | with more uninteresting changes to the game |
| 19:17.44 | ArcanePariah | With more interesting changes to the game* |
| 19:18.05 | TwoDie | game is shit already |
| 19:18.23 | TwoDie | they will add more crap to it to make it more unsatisfactory |
| 19:18.34 | ArcanePariah | *Shrug* All games are shit, then |
| 19:18.48 | TwoDie | and wont tweak and change any balance to the game |
| 19:18.57 | IskatuMesk | I don't think it could really be any more unsatisfactory at this point twodie |
| 19:19.01 | TwoDie | or they will very veigh as alaways |
| 19:19.11 | TwoDie | idk |
| 19:19.27 | TwoDie | they always may found a way to make it worse |
| 19:19.32 | IskatuMesk | true |
| 19:19.40 | ArcanePariah | Sigh... then ignore it then? |
| 19:19.43 | IskatuMesk | that would be an achievement at this point |
| 19:19.56 | IskatuMesk | they still have metzen in the company after all |
| 19:20.05 | TwoDie | yeah like ignoring hitlers aggresion |
| 19:20.08 | TwoDie | before it was too late |
| 19:20.09 | IskatuMesk | I am sure his qualities will shine |
| 19:20.27 | IskatuMesk | it is already too late |
| 19:20.36 | ArcanePariah | lol TwoDie what a game company does has no bearing on 90% of the world population |
| 19:21.11 | IskatuMesk | people live and die by the crank |
| 19:21.19 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious, if you all think Blizzard sucks so much... |
| 19:21.39 | IskatuMesk | "think" |
| 19:21.55 | Ahli | video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY9eunFstiY explanation: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2lhn64/found_a_bug_in_scbw_not_affecting_melee_after_all/cluwvxk?context=3 what the hell, Blizz... |
| 19:22.39 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 19:22.50 | IskatuMesk | there are a lot of bugs in bw very few people know about |
| 19:23.02 | IskatuMesk | and a lot of exploits even fewer know about |
| 19:23.22 | IskatuMesk | for example I know how to fuck up cloaking and nuke dots client-side in a manner that cannot be detected on the servers |
| 19:23.46 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, do remember again, SC1 was coded awfully |
| 19:24.14 | ArcanePariah | Like... yeah... and this is the very people who coded it saying this, they knew it was coded like crap. Such was the way back then. |
| 19:24.20 | IskatuMesk | pretty much all games are coded awfully, sc1 just gets more attention |
| 19:24.43 | ArcanePariah | To a degree, but back then, they simply didn't have the tools to even really do it right |
| 19:24.55 | ArcanePariah | 90% of what we take for granted, they didn't have |
| 19:25.08 | IskatuMesk | sc1 was basically "oh god we gotta redo this game because it's wc1 in space" but they really put their hearts to it and actually made a pretty good product |
| 19:25.20 | IskatuMesk | now it's "gotta make dat profit margin" |
| 19:25.38 | ArcanePariah | Yes, well, they also said, in retrospect, that attitude was stupid as hell |
| 19:25.44 | IskatuMesk | too bad |
| 19:25.49 | ArcanePariah | Because it caused many of the very bugs |
| 19:25.54 | IskatuMesk | that must be why all of them quit |
| 19:25.56 | ArcanePariah | Doing 18 hour coding marathons |
| 19:26.00 | ArcanePariah | is not a good idea |
| 19:26.04 | IskatuMesk | crunch time shenanigans |
| 19:26.30 | IskatuMesk | thing was they wanted to improve it though |
| 19:26.40 | IskatuMesk | so in the end even though it was a buggy mess it turned out really good |
| 19:26.41 | Ahli | maybe, but it's still weird... they could fix it via checking the target unit's visibility when they go over to the next order |
| 19:26.54 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, no they couldn't |
| 19:26.56 | IskatuMesk | kind of like d2 classic |
| 19:27.06 | ArcanePariah | Consider when SC1 was written |
| 19:27.18 | ArcanePariah | Fastest CPU on earth as barely 400 MHz |
| 19:27.32 | IskatuMesk | sc1 was already doing a lot of hacky stuff with the cpu |
| 19:27.36 | ArcanePariah | They did all sorts of hacks to save on cycles |
| 19:29.08 | IskatuMesk | lost vikings will be interesting |
| 19:29.18 | IskatuMesk | and blackthorne |
| 19:29.18 | ArcanePariah | IskatuMesk, dat profit margin, doesn't really mean much. One of the oldest issues of software is the "profits" of this game is the necessary cash to pay for the next one. Hollywood does this all the time, the blockbusters subsidize all the failure and works in progres |
| 19:29.20 | IskatuMesk | when I finally get to them |
| 19:29.46 | IskatuMesk | profit means everything to western companies |
| 19:30.01 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but software is a tad bit different. We have 0 marginal cost. |
| 19:30.05 | IskatuMesk | at the cost of basically everything |
| 19:30.13 | ArcanePariah | All the cost is built into the first copy sold |
| 19:30.45 | ArcanePariah | And also, that is changing, not all companies are like that (though there are too many that are) |
| 19:30.59 | IskatuMesk | those that aren't have to adapt or die generally |
| 19:31.01 | IskatuMesk | see: platinum games |
| 19:31.15 | Zolden | instead of storm key, blizz spammed me with the "buy virtual ticket". What a ridicule! |
| 19:31.25 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 19:31.50 | IskatuMesk | it will change when the mobile and hipster bubbles begin to pop |
| 19:31.57 | IskatuMesk | at least hopefully, for pc |
| 19:32.02 | IskatuMesk | may take like 20 years though |
| 19:32.05 | ArcanePariah | Well, to a degree, yes, because games are expensive. As we discussed before, a programmer, just one, is 60k salaray + benefits, so total cost is around 100k a year |
| 19:33.23 | ArcanePariah | As I've said before, the game world is probably going to implode simply because BOTH sides are being greedy, gamers are being cheapasses, and companies are nickle/diming |
| 19:33.48 | IskatuMesk | well so long as people play farmville and its blizzard offshoots it will do fairly well |
| 19:34.06 | IskatuMesk | it's changing, but not imploding, not yet |
| 19:34.24 | IskatuMesk | all the big disgusting publishers need to drain their investor |
| 19:34.26 | IskatuMesk | first |
| 19:34.32 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, probably will jsut change, once some things mature, both tech and people maturing. |
| 19:34.35 | IskatuMesk | THQ was the first, and it took way too long |
| 19:35.07 | IskatuMesk | for a company that produced and subsidized nearly exclusively garbage they managed to cling to life for a crazy amount of time |
| 19:35.14 | IskatuMesk | and in the end still managed to sell it off and make money |
| 19:35.25 | ArcanePariah | Another key issue is, although games are expensive, entertaininment is too plentiful in this day and age. And all of entertainment is trying to deal with it. |
| 19:35.41 | IskatuMesk | also you have countries like canada actively trying to fight and censor internet |
| 19:35.48 | IskatuMesk | while not directly related, it influences it |
| 19:35.57 | IskatuMesk | the population is largely ignorant of things like bad business practice |
| 19:36.00 | ArcanePariah | Err. THQ did make some good games, though I'll admit, you standards are such, to be not useful. |
| 19:36.12 | IskatuMesk | yes, THQ made """"good"""" games |
| 19:36.53 | IskatuMesk | Pit Fighter and Home Alone were so good |
| 19:36.57 | ArcanePariah | Dawn of War is a good series and I had fun with it |
| 19:37.05 | IskatuMesk | dawn of war was decent until they neutered it |
| 19:37.19 | ArcanePariah | Does that detract from the previous titles? |
| 19:37.27 | IskatuMesk | in the same way sc2 does sc1 |
| 19:37.36 | IskatuMesk | well, moreso I guess |
| 19:37.45 | IskatuMesk | since the expansions and related rebalancing effectively ruined the games |
| 19:38.05 | ArcanePariah | Sure, soulstorm was not as good, but DOW I, Winter Assault and Dark Crusade were fine. |
| 19:38.12 | ArcanePariah | And define ruined? |
| 19:38.45 | IskatuMesk | WA was ok but the second they started throwing caps onto every single unit and trying to rebalance the game with a sledgehammer it went from an ok distraction to being a braindead cookie cutter game like every other rts in the last decade |
| 19:39.19 | IskatuMesk | I can't speak about soulstorm because I haven't really played it much (air units seemed screwy) |
| 19:39.23 | ArcanePariah | I guess that's the divergeance, balance I did not care about. It was fun |
| 19:39.33 | IskatuMesk | you don't care about balance? waat? |
| 19:39.37 | IskatuMesk | I don't know you :( |
| 19:39.48 | ArcanePariah | IF I want balance, I'll go play chess |
| 19:39.53 | IskatuMesk | only being able to build 1-2 of like half the units was dumb |
| 19:40.04 | IskatuMesk | the game was stagnant enough with having no tech tree and the maps all being bloodbath |
| 19:40.08 | ArcanePariah | As opposed to spamming 1 unit? |
| 19:40.19 | IskatuMesk | spamming 1 unit was not really viable |
| 19:40.22 | ArcanePariah | ... |
| 19:40.22 | IskatuMesk | but if you wanted to, sure |
| 19:40.31 | ArcanePariah | before the caps, spam terminators or obliterator = win |
| 19:40.41 | IskatuMesk | nah. I could kill those ez |
| 19:40.46 | ArcanePariah | that was DOWI in a nutshell |
| 19:41.07 | ArcanePariah | And if Dark Crusade didn't have caps, spam relic units = win |
| 19:41.22 | IskatuMesk | lots of solutions to dealing with everything |
| 19:41.28 | IskatuMesk | the game was fairly hard countery |
| 19:41.40 | ArcanePariah | true, there always is, the question is, are people willing to pay? |
| 19:41.40 | IskatuMesk | that and the pathing meant you couldn't really take it seriously |
| 19:41.45 | IskatuMesk | the caps took away what little bit you had |
| 19:41.52 | IskatuMesk | hm? |
| 19:42.19 | ArcanePariah | I can design you a perfect game, it will take 10 years and cost 1 million per copy? Would you go for that? |
| 19:42.31 | IskatuMesk | if it was objectively perfect? perhaps |
| 19:42.44 | IskatuMesk | something good is worth a lot of money |
| 19:42.47 | ArcanePariah | Same way one can design a healthy tasty fast food burrito |
| 19:43.01 | ArcanePariah | IT can be done, but to sell it would require 25 USD per burrito |
| 19:43.10 | ArcanePariah | Which no one would pay |
| 19:43.12 | IskatuMesk | most people aren't like me though |
| 19:43.16 | IskatuMesk | they aren't looking for quality |
| 19:43.19 | IskatuMesk | they just want a cheap thrill |
| 19:43.33 | ArcanePariah | Correction: People want GOOD enough, not perfect |
| 19:43.37 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 19:43.42 | IskatuMesk | not even |
| 19:43.55 | ArcanePariah | If it satisfies them, then it was good enough. |
| 19:43.58 | IskatuMesk | I find most people play things they themselves consider objectively bad simply to waste time |
| 19:44.08 | IskatuMesk | like I said before, people want to waste time, not spend it |
| 19:44.15 | IskatuMesk | that's what mobile games do |
| 19:44.38 | ArcanePariah | Then it was good enough, for them. And of course people want to "waste" time, they want to spend time as THEY see fit, not as others demand they do. |
| 19:44.52 | IskatuMesk | they should stop marring a once respectable industry |
| 19:44.53 | ArcanePariah | But that's a fantasy, so back to reality, we blend the 2 |
| 19:45.01 | IskatuMesk | I would rather they just gas themselves |
| 19:45.24 | ArcanePariah | *Shrug* Unlikely. Unless you get a star trek utopia |
| 19:45.27 | IskatuMesk | I think I prefer Cave's approach |
| 19:45.34 | IskatuMesk | produce high quality content for a niche audience |
| 19:45.45 | IskatuMesk | you know you won't appease the masses, so don't try |
| 19:46.03 | IskatuMesk | games marketed to appease all the casuals will by definition be shallow to anyone with any shred of sentience |
| 19:46.19 | IskatuMesk | problem is, no one *here* wants to do that, because it's not super profitable |
| 19:46.37 | IskatuMesk | they prefer to throw all their eggs in one basket and score some huge revenue instead of taking it personally |
| 19:46.41 | IskatuMesk | that greed |
| 19:46.46 | IskatuMesk | that is what defines modern gaming |
| 19:46.56 | IskatuMesk | I hope that changes, like you said |
| 19:47.35 | IskatuMesk | I guess the closest you get currently is Dwarf Fortress |
| 19:48.05 | IskatuMesk | which is certainly a project I hold in high regards |
| 19:49.17 | IskatuMesk | essentially for games to become large and wide "good" again, the casuals have to vanish, so there is no incentive for developers to take the easy route of milking them |
| 19:50.06 | IskatuMesk | that's been sort of a problem since... the PSX/n64 era |
| 19:50.49 | IskatuMesk | Arcades are a great example |
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| 20:07.11 | Bounty | peow |
| 20:07.16 | IskatuMesk | Bongty |
| 20:07.26 | IskatuMesk | did you kill jademussreg |
| 20:09.46 | Bounty | Its entirely possible. |
| 20:10.01 | IskatuMesk | how could you |
| 20:10.04 | IskatuMesk | he was like a sister to me |
| 20:10.40 | Bounty | I am not sure it is possible to truly destroy JademusSreg |
| 20:10.43 | Bounty | He will return |
| 20:12.20 | Zolden | he's been in longer absences |
| 20:12.23 | Bounty | If our Kickstarter is successful, I will use some of the funds towards a resurrection ritual |
| 20:14.15 | IskatuMesk | Does this m3XML handle hots format m3s? I remember hearing those were different for some reason |
| 20:15.58 | IskatuMesk | (I am not actually sure what is different about the hots format protoss buildings/units) |
| 20:17.35 | Zolden | IskatuMesk yes, it supports |
| 20:17.41 | Zolden | sc2println keeps it upped |
| 20:17.45 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 20:18.32 | sc2println | if you mean heros of the storm you would need some changes I haven't published yet |
| 20:18.42 | IskatuMesk | nah, heat of the swarm |
| 20:18.46 | IskatuMesk | it's throwing me some error for the nexus |
| 20:18.55 | sc2println | what error? |
| 20:19.28 | IskatuMesk | Exception: Expected that MAT_V18.unknownAt41 has always the value [0, 0, 0], but it was |
| 20:19.34 | IskatuMesk | that's all I get |
| 20:21.33 | sc2println | I merged the better-materials branch into master, try again pls with updated version |
| 20:21.42 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 20:21.42 | sc2println | oh wait |
| 20:21.50 | sc2println | I need to push it up first :) |
| 20:21.58 | sc2println | done |
| 20:21.59 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 20:22.00 | sc2println | :) |
| 20:23.15 | IskatuMesk | hmmm. still getting that error |
| 20:23.32 | IskatuMesk | for NexusEx1 |
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| 20:24.02 | sc2println | ok, I will try it too |
| 20:24.17 | IskatuMesk | I am just using Download Zip, not sure if I should download via another method |
| 20:25.22 | Dustin|Work | hola |
| 20:25.29 | IskatuMesk | hola senor |
| 20:26.24 | sc2println | IskatuMesk it's converting fine for me |
| 20:26.28 | IskatuMesk | odd |
| 20:26.34 | IskatuMesk | using the m3toxml.py |
| 20:26.45 | sc2println | did you download the complete zip again? |
| 20:26.49 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 20:27.05 | sc2println | from which link? |
| 20:27.11 | IskatuMesk | https://github.com/flo/m3addon/ |
| 20:27.16 | IskatuMesk | on the right side |
| 20:28.04 | IskatuMesk | do I perhaps need a specific version of python installed |
| 20:29.12 | sc2println | You need python 3, but the error message you get indicates an old m3addon version |
| 20:29.20 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 20:29.43 | sc2println | I just downloaded the m3 addon from the download zip button, which links to https://github.com/flo/m3addon/archive/master.zip |
| 20:29.50 | IskatuMesk | I have 2.7 |
| 20:29.59 | sc2println | and it could convert NexusEx1 |
| 20:30.28 | sc2println | if you don't need python for something else I would recommend to upgrade to 3 |
| 20:30.33 | sc2println | and uninstall 2.7 first |
| 20:30.35 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 20:30.46 | IskatuMesk | yeah I tried it again and it isn't working, I probably need version 3 |
| 20:32.32 | IskatuMesk | 3 specifically or like 3.1/newer? |
| 20:33.25 | sc2println | 3.x |
| 20:33.36 | sc2println | any 3er version will do |
| 20:33.41 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 20:35.38 | IskatuMesk | success |
| 20:40.03 | IskatuMesk | now... to figure out how to change the emissive blend type... |
| 20:47.42 | TwoDie | bend over noW1!1 |
| 20:47.45 | IskatuMesk | alright... I think I changed it... I get an error for converting back, though |
| 20:48.10 | IskatuMesk | Invalid literal for int<> with base 10: '' |
| 20:48.14 | IskatuMesk | I suspect I broke something |
| 20:48.20 | IskatuMesk | or notepad++ broke something |
| 20:50.13 | Zolden | IskatuMesk just create a material with add mode, export as m3, change to team color add, save as another m3, compare them to see what changed (there's also compare m3 script) |
| 20:50.51 | sc2println | there is a script called "./createChangeLog.py" |
| 20:50.52 | IskatuMesk | well I see the one type is 0x2 and the other (which I think is TC add) is 0x4, but just changing that seems to set something on fire |
| 20:51.03 | sc2println | you call it with an m3 file |
| 20:51.10 | sc2println | and whenever that m3 file gets overriden it will print the changes made |
| 20:51.56 | sc2println | I never had that error you had |
| 20:52.06 | IskatuMesk | I am good at that |
| 20:52.11 | IskatuMesk | finding errors no one has seen before :3 |
| 20:52.20 | IskatuMesk | I have a knack for breaking everything |
| 20:52.20 | sc2println | try converting the unmodified version fo the file |
| 20:53.04 | IskatuMesk | it also throws that error |
| 20:53.48 | sc2println | ok, nice I can reproduce it |
| 21:13.55 | sc2println | IskatuMesk should be fixed now |
| 21:14.00 | IskatuMesk | awesome |
| 21:14.13 | sc2println | it was a regression from a recent addition |
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| 21:15.38 | IskatuMesk | yup, it converts now. |
| 21:15.46 | Arcane|School | Nom Nom, Bumptity Bump |
| 21:15.56 | IskatuMesk | bump u |
| 21:16.10 | Arcane|School | <--- has been bumped |
| 21:17.00 | IskatuMesk | haha, my changes definitely had an effect |
| 21:17.20 | IskatuMesk | the swirly bit turns into this gordian knot of colors now :D |
| 21:18.04 | Merc | bump bump bump |
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| 21:18.59 | Merc | so Arcane|School I figured out how to make sure that units that are created come with the updated armor and swords |
| 21:19.18 | Merc | but for some reason they are all created with +1 of the current level |
| 21:19.22 | Merc | it's so weird |
| 21:19.37 | Arcane|School | Sounds like a validator issue |
| 21:19.43 | Merc | it does, doesnt it |
| 21:20.03 | Merc | the validator must be wrong somehow |
| 21:20.04 | Arcane|School | For the requirements, what are you checking? |
| 21:20.08 | Merc | but it loooks right |
| 21:20.21 | Arcane|School | Validator is probably correct, but requirement may be wrong |
| 21:20.30 | Merc | I made new requirements that are all about the upgrades being completed |
| 21:20.44 | Merc | and validators that are linked to those again |
| 21:21.16 | Arcane|School | Ok, for the level 1 requirement, what do you have exactly? |
| 21:21.47 | Merc | show - equals - count upgrade blabla level 1 completed |
| 21:21.59 | Merc | and "constant 0" under that again, which I admit I have no idea what is doing |
| 21:22.20 | Arcane|School | Should be constant of 1 |
| 21:22.27 | Merc | what does it do? |
| 21:22.50 | Arcane|School | You are counting the number of levels that upgrade has complete |
| 21:22.57 | Arcane|School | Upgrades can be repeated |
| 21:23.03 | Merc | oh |
| 21:23.08 | Arcane|School | In the upgrade, there is a field for max level. |
| 21:24.14 | Merc | the level 2 one doesnt really make sense |
| 21:24.32 | Arcane|School | Well, in your case, you created 3 unique upgrades. |
| 21:24.37 | Merc | it goes like this: Use - Count upgrade blabla lvl 1 Completed |
| 21:24.52 | Arcane|School | So each requirement should count the number of times that unique upgrade has been completed |
| 21:24.53 | Arcane|School | Oh |
| 21:24.56 | Arcane|School | I see the issue |
| 21:25.01 | Arcane|School | Did you have an equals node? |
| 21:25.16 | Merc | then: show - and - Not - Count Upgrade blalba level 2 Completed |
| 21:25.30 | Merc | an equals Requirement node? |
| 21:25.38 | Merc | not really sure what any of these things do really |
| 21:25.56 | Arcane|School | Ok, the nodes and what not are simply visual ways to do boolean logic |
| 21:26.14 | Arcane|School | If you want something a bit easier to read/understand, switch from Tree -> Expression |
| 21:26.23 | Arcane|School | It may make more sense there |
| 21:26.43 | Merc | hmh |
| 21:26.44 | Merc | alright |
| 21:26.51 | Merc | what was the difference between Show and Use again btw? |
| 21:27.40 | Arcane|School | Requirements can be used in multiple places. One of those places is on the command card. By having different show and use requirements, you can have buttons appear (Show is true) but not be Usable/Greyed out (Use is false). |
| 21:28.09 | Merc | ah |
| 21:28.16 | Merc | not really relevant to my case then |
| 21:28.36 | Arcane|School | Yes, in most cases, you can just use the use field |
| 21:29.28 | IskatuMesk | hm.. I thought the animated glow on the nexus would just increase the emissive values, but it must be doing something different |
| 21:30.38 | Arcane|School | Now, to explain what you need to do for your case. You want the requirement to be true when the upgrade is completed once. So you have an Equals (==) with nodes of Count Upgrade and Constant. This allows you to compare the number of times the upgrade has been completed with a constant number. Now, the reason you have to use a constant is because, the logic permits one to compare varying data types. For instance, you could h |
| 21:30.44 | Arcane|School | if 2 upgrades were the same level |
| 21:31.18 | Arcane|School | OR other such crazy fun stuff |
| 21:31.41 | Merc | I seem to have fixed the first stage now |
| 21:31.47 | Merc | the rest is still a mess |
| 21:31.59 | Merc | but at least I understand a little bit more of what I am doing now |
| 21:32.01 | Arcane|School | So, you want the shield/sword/etc to swap if the upgrade (GroundArmorLevel1) has been completed onece (Constant 1) |
| 21:32.19 | Arcane|School | So for the Use, you need an Equals, with Count Upgrade and Constant of 1 |
| 21:32.40 | Arcane|School | For each subsequent upgrade, you need a new requirement, and compare that unique upgrade with the same constant |
| 21:33.13 | Arcane|School | Now, this first approach does cause an issue. |
| 21:33.22 | Arcane|School | Once you are doing level 3, all 3 validators are true |
| 21:33.30 | Arcane|School | so I can not predict which one will actually work. |
| 21:33.57 | Arcane|School | What you will have to do is have the swap for level 1 only occur if level 1 upgrade is complete, but level 2 and 3 are NOT complete |
| 21:34.26 | IskatuMesk | it must be scaling up the diffuse... |
| 21:34.28 | Arcane|School | Which, we can cover tomorrow, using boolean logic with combine validators to get what we need. |
| 21:34.44 | Arcane|School | I would suggest reading up on boolean logic, if you don't understand it already |
| 21:34.55 | Merc | ahh so if all three are true |
| 21:35.04 | Merc | then either one will work |
| 21:35.11 | Merc | duh |
| 21:35.30 | Arcane|School | Correct, no guarentee of the order of the messages, so once all 3 are true, the swapping will happen in a totally unpredicatable manner |
| 21:35.40 | Arcane|School | Some will get level 1, some get level 2, some level 3 |
| 21:35.49 | Merc | that makes sense |
| 21:36.05 | Merc | so that's why there's these And Not things in here |
| 21:36.07 | Arcane|School | So you must use Combine validators to narrow the focus |
| 21:36.12 | Arcane|School | Yes |
| 21:36.16 | Arcane|School | That too |
| 21:36.24 | Arcane|School | It can be done in the requirement or in the validators |
| 21:36.36 | Arcane|School | In the case of the requirement, yes, you can check to make sure level 2 and 3 are not done |
| 21:36.43 | Arcane|School | by comparing their counts to 0 |
| 21:36.43 | Merc | can just add "and not level 2" in the level 1 |
| 21:36.52 | Merc | and "and not level 1 and not level 3" in the level 2 |
| 21:36.55 | Merc | should take care of it |
| 21:37.08 | Arcane|School | For level 2 |
| 21:37.17 | Arcane|School | Just make sure lvl 3 is not done |
| 21:37.26 | Arcane|School | No need to check level 1 |
| 21:37.30 | Dustin|Work | Do you have CS:GO Arcane? |
| 21:37.36 | Merc | hmh ok |
| 21:37.37 | Arcane|School | Nope |
| 21:37.57 | Arcane|School | Merc, consider the following: If level 1 is done, but not 2 or 3, then level 1 should happen. |
| 21:38.19 | Arcane|School | If level 2 is done, the level 1 req will fail, and level 1 won't happen already |
| 21:38.28 | Arcane|School | So only need to check level 3 |
| 21:38.38 | Arcane|School | And level 3 can just check level 3 |
| 21:39.01 | Arcane|School | Since if level 3 is done, the first 2 requirements will fail and nothing will happne |
| 21:39.36 | Arcane|School | I know this may be a bit outside SC2, but I may give you some basic info on boolean logic and some tricks to make this easier/simpler |
| 21:39.55 | Arcane|School | There are rules/tricks that allow one to take large boolean expressions and reduce them to more simple ones |
| 21:40.17 | Arcane|School | For example: NOT(NOT A OR NOT B) |
| 21:40.26 | Arcane|School | Complex on the surface |
| 21:40.31 | Arcane|School | Annoying as hell |
| 21:40.41 | Arcane|School | But... all it is equal to is: A AND B |
| 21:40.56 | Merc | man, this is really clunky |
| 21:41.27 | Arcane|School | Yes it can be, the GUI version is clunky, but the expression version can be fast. They tried to make something that papers over the complexity of boolean logic |
| 21:41.54 | Arcane|School | Problem is, it still uses boolean logic, which most people outside a CS major, generally don't go into. |
| 21:42.07 | Arcane|School | Dustin|Work: whats up? |
| 21:42.37 | Merc | the gui version makes a bit of sense to me, somehow helpful at least |
| 21:42.38 | Arcane|School | Btw, the fridge is stocked, the booze is ready, the couch is comfy, the screens setup, and are you ready for the not work day of Blizzcon? |
| 21:42.43 | Merc | the expressions are "????" |
| 21:42.50 | Arcane|School | Ok, stick with GUI then |
| 21:44.09 | Arcane|School | I sadly must be headed off to class. We can discuss this tomorrow. If you have a chance, read the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra. It may not make a ton of sense, but have the concept in mind so I can simplify/explain it, and how it all comes together. |
| 21:45.44 | Merc | wra |
| 21:46.04 | Merc | I'll give it a shot :D |
| 21:56.06 | Dustin|Work | Was just checking, I have a CS:GO server I added WC3 mod too |
| 21:56.09 | Dustin|Work | It's fun as fuuuck |
| 21:56.23 | IskatuMesk | ... a wc3 mod for cs? how does that work? |
| 21:56.56 | Merc | orcs are terrorists? |
| 21:57.13 | IskatuMesk | last I checked go doesn't have custom model support without a lot of silliness |
| 21:57.19 | Dustin|Work | You pick a race, then doing stuff gives you exp, each race has 3 abilitys, usually an activateable one and an activateable ultimate (at level 6). You pick a skill to level up each level and fight like normal |
| 21:57.28 | Dustin|Work | There's also a shop to get custom items |
| 21:57.54 | Dustin|Work | I have it setup so that you level up fresh each map |
| 21:58.00 | Dustin|Work | So it's like a CS:GO Moba lol |
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| 21:58.59 | IskatuMesk | do the bots support it? |
| 22:03.21 | TwoDie | hobbits new trailer is up |
| 22:03.47 | Zolden | TwoDie where |
| 22:05.58 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Fv5StfAxA |
| 22:07.11 | TwoDie | getting overwhelming reviews http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/?ref_=hm_otw_tt |
| 22:08.16 | TwoDie | hmmm may require to see it |
| 22:08.29 | TwoDie | early in the morning for cheap tickets |
| 22:10.30 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:10.32 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:10.48 | Zolden | high with a bag full of cheesburgers |
| 22:10.57 | TwoDie | where all those 3D graphics gone? tomorrow no movies in theather in 3D |
| 22:11.24 | TwoDie | how hight? |
| 22:11.51 | TwoDie | hype is real boys |
| 22:11.59 | Dustin|Work | ya bots get a random race at the start and a random level |
| 22:12.02 | Zolden | that trailer could also be homm trailer |
| 22:13.41 | IskatuMesk | damnit... why is the whole pylon player color... |
| 22:14.49 | TwoDie | get hyped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LbpatVCzqQ |
| 22:15.11 | Zolden | IskatuMesk cause it may have already some map in the emissive layer of the material, and it's bright |
| 22:17.36 | Zolden | one active lesbian lied alot, and her nose has grown long, but she was ok about it |
| 22:32.58 | TwoDie | damn this cat tho |
| 22:33.05 | TwoDie | sleeping on my penis :/ |
| 22:33.25 | TwoDie | will be really late to wake up with such boners |
| 22:34.00 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:35.17 | TwoDie | have to play some sexy game before this pussy will be tiried and will go away |
| 22:37.44 | TwoDie | yay penis freeeeedom |
| 22:43.36 | TwoDie | hard penis all night long |
| 22:43.37 | TwoDie | http://youtu.be/NIOaVdRVL8Y |
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| 22:53.38 | Ahli | is "entertainments" a word? |
| 22:54.01 | Ahli | so, entertainment with an s |
| 22:55.01 | Dustin|Work | I dont think so? |
| 22:55.06 | Dustin|Work | Actually |
| 22:55.35 | Dustin|Work | no I think entertainment is an all encompassing word |
| 22:55.41 | Tomura | no |
| 22:55.41 | IskatuMesk | entertainments is not a word |
| 22:55.41 | Dustin|Work | like Moose |
| 23:02.28 | IskatuMesk | damn this pylon |
| 23:02.34 | Zolden | same as peoples |
| 23:02.41 | Zolden | or childrens |
| 23:05.15 | Tomura | peoples exist, but not as plural for person |
| 23:05.35 | Tomura | in that case "a people" is a ethinic group |
| 23:05.39 | Tomura | *an |
| 23:05.46 | Tomura | *ethnic |
| 23:11.28 | Zolden | so "peoples" mean ethnic groups? |
| 23:30.04 | Tomura | yes |
| 23:35.25 | Zolden | who would ever suppose |
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| 23:54.35 | IskatuMesk | Finally... I can have some damn pink pylons... |
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