| 00:31.55 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.09 | Dustin|Work | Nice! |
| 00:35.17 | Dustin|Work | Ill be watching blizzcon from my couch |
| 00:45.00 | Ahli | I'll watch it from my desk since I need to take notes |
| 01:04.45 | woodgiraffe | What does one expect of BlizzCon? |
| 01:05.36 | Dustin|Work | Vague info on whats to come |
| 01:05.51 | woodgiraffe | Sounds about right |
| 01:22.07 | Ahli | https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-part-1 |
| 01:25.05 | woodgiraffe | No StarCraft2? meh |
| 01:27.31 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2l9xsb/insightful_podcast_with_rob_pardo_former_game/ |
| 01:27.32 | ArcanePariah | So I'm alive |
| 01:27.50 | ArcanePariah | Sup Ahli, Dustin|Work :D |
| 01:28.04 | ArcanePariah | I too will be watching Blizzcon, but from a computer lab chain at school |
| 01:29.23 | Ahli | chatting with Blizz, acting as a communications channel for someone that gave away his Blizzcon ticket and now wants in again due to surprisingly being in the area during blizzcon |
| 01:29.42 | Ahli | retrieving infos I shouldn't have... the usual |
| 01:30.09 | ArcanePariah | Care to share any of the juicy stuff? |
| 01:30.11 | ArcanePariah | :) |
| 01:30.33 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.31 | ArcanePariah | That's good, she can be there for the arcade chat. A pity we couldn't setup some kind of group video chat, but Tray said bandwidth as basically nil at the center |
| 01:31.53 | Ahli | I could give you a cell phone number of the mother of a famous person in the sc2 community. the mother happens to work for Blizz... |
| 01:32.09 | ArcanePariah | Interesting |
| 01:32.13 | Dustin|Work | Hollaaa |
| 01:32.23 | Ahli | to my information, it is "he" |
| 01:33.39 | Ahli | but ofc, I don't give out that... but it concerns me that I just get that info :X |
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| 01:38.15 | ArcanePariah | In any case, Blizzcon should be interesting |
| 01:38.30 | Dustin|Work | Im looking forward to the not working part :D |
| 01:38.36 | ArcanePariah | Ahahahaha |
| 01:38.44 | Ahli | ;D |
| 01:38.53 | ArcanePariah | The not working, or the drinking or the screaming? |
| 01:38.59 | ArcanePariah | Or all the above? |
| 01:39.00 | Dustin|Work | ALL THE THINGS!! |
| 01:39.10 | ArcanePariah | Outstanding! |
| 01:39.42 | Ahli | SCBW's pathfinding was a problem until 2 weeks before SC1's release :o |
| 01:40.01 | woodgiraffe | Yeah that made me grin too :) |
| 01:40.13 | ArcanePariah | Yeo |
| 01:40.22 | Ahli | I wish I would be at BlizzCon meeting people and drinking with them =/ |
| 01:40.23 | Dustin|Work | Yeah with the Worker pathing hacks lol |
| 01:40.38 | ArcanePariah | Jademus posted the blog where the guy who worked on that went into great detail. |
| 01:40.48 | ArcanePariah | For me, the fact that the carrier was its own code branch makes me lol |
| 01:40.59 | Dustin|Work | ya lolol |
| 02:02.52 | DNAofDeath | *yawn* hello :) |
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| 02:28.39 | Dustin|Work | helloo |
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| 06:36.00 | Goa | http://vimeo.com/110633932 |
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| 12:16.41 | Zolden | they emailed you about your mod's name? |
| 12:17.02 | Zolden | or you heard about the name they plan to use and decided to delete it? |
| 12:17.31 | Merc | they sent me a cease and desist letter |
| 12:22.26 | Zolden | but how did they know about your plans? and why was some shitty wc2 namespace even mattered? and why would you even care about their bullshit? |
| 12:22.38 | Zolden | was that game name announced or you had no idea? |
| 12:22.55 | Zolden | was your mod existing before their game was released? |
| 12:23.44 | Merc | the mod started getting popular on the interwebs |
| 12:26.07 | Zolden | before their game released? |
| 12:26.21 | Zolden | or even before it has been announced? |
| 12:29.31 | Merc | quick google |
| 12:29.36 | Merc | seems it came out 3 years later |
| 12:29.52 | Merc | just enough time for me to be a bit bitter |
| 12:31.35 | Zolden | the game came out 3 years later? |
| 12:31.39 | Zolden | after your mod? |
| 12:32.51 | Merc | mod never came out, it was just halfway there |
| 12:33.06 | Merc | or not a mod, but a "total conversion" as we called it back then |
| 12:33.43 | Zolden | what was the name btw |
| 12:33.56 | Merc | whats with all this digging |
| 12:34.08 | Merc | it's dead and buried |
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| 12:56.14 | Zolden | i was curious, and also had a feeling that that these fuckers stole your name and scared you |
| 12:56.39 | Merc | nah, they just bullied a kid who was making a shitty mod |
| 13:05.51 | Zolden | what will be your new mod's name btw? maybe i'll decide to take it and punch you in the stomach |
| 13:05.59 | Merc | hue hue hue |
| 13:06.10 | Merc | Asscraft |
| 13:06.17 | homoeroticfinear | Zolden |
| 13:06.20 | homoeroticfinear | I would not trsut Ahli. |
| 13:06.24 | homoeroticfinear | His German grammar is very bad |
| 13:09.59 | Merc | talk about holding a grudge |
| 13:10.52 | Zolden | I base my trust on thoughts behind the grammar |
| 13:12.52 | Merc | only german I know is from lewd movies |
| 13:13.02 | Merc | "ich heisse Helga, ich komme, ich komme!" |
| 13:13.20 | Merc | probably terrible grammar. |
| 13:53.05 | Zolden | Goa http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-voters-titling-heavily-toward-legalizing-marijuana-likely-joining-colo-wash/2014/11/04/116e83f8-60fe-11e4-9f3a-7e28799e0549_story.html |
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| 14:04.48 | Goa | NICE |
| 14:06.48 | Goa | Its just matter of centuries and we can too enjoy our shit legally |
| 14:10.57 | Merc | out of context that sounds really bad |
| 14:16.16 | Merc | not that I am judging in any way |
| 14:24.41 | Goa | whats bad? |
| 14:25.03 | Merc | nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy your shit m8 |
| 14:31.44 | Goa | yeah |
| 14:33.37 | Merc | ArcanePariah: only thing that seems to lack with my upgrade system now is to make sure new units are made with the upgrades visible |
| 14:33.49 | Merc | mind giving me some hints later on? |
| 14:38.23 | Merc | other than the need for a validator I'm not sure how to make the unit actor spawn with actors that have a certain model |
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| 15:11.31 | Zolden | that's the problem with using all-knowing arcane for learning instead of working with tutorials. One step aside from the consumed knowledge - and the noob confused and helpless. |
| 15:12.08 | Merc | which tutorial would that be, and is it up to date and not full of broken links? |
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| 15:18.35 | Zolden | none of tutorials are outdated, editor never changed enough to make something inside tutorial not true |
| 15:20.15 | Zolden | it's just either a noob using them, and think, and trying ways, and suffer, and ask questions, and trying again... or simply saying they are outdated, and suffering later, when he need to do something different from what he has been told |
| 15:20.38 | Zolden | DNAofDeath look at merc - that's how you will be suffer |
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| 15:48.00 | Ahli | soooo, I think I found a bug in SCBW :X |
| 15:49.45 | Ahli | carriers only repair interceptors that they've built themselves... adding hangar on preplaced units or via trigger action makes them unrepairable |
| 16:10.20 | Korhonen | Ahli |
| 16:10.34 | Korhonen | I met this German on StarCraft |
| 16:10.36 | Korhonen | on the ladder |
| 16:10.48 | Korhonen | And I was like "Don't you think people who don't use the grammatical gender of mädchen should be executed?" |
| 16:11.12 | Korhonen | ANd he or she was like "Yeah, that's so annoying, it's DAS Mädchen and I'm seeing people all around me treat it like a feminine noun, it ends on fucking -chen, it's neuter." |
| 16:11.14 | Korhonen | Or something like that |
| 16:11.17 | Korhonen | True story. |
| 16:11.31 | Ahli | can't you just go and f*ck yourself? |
| 16:11.47 | Korhonen | It doesn't reach |
| 16:11.48 | Korhonen | regardless. |
| 16:11.57 | Korhonen | I feel you and I share a sporting rivalry and sexual tension. |
| 16:13.03 | Merc | what's with this obsession anyway |
| 16:13.33 | Ahli | :S why is ignore an unknown command? |
| 16:13.39 | Korhonen | lol |
| 16:13.42 | Korhonen | Pro IRC skills |
| 16:13.48 | Korhonen | Merc, I demand perfection in grammar above all else. |
| 16:14.11 | Korhonen | I'm trying to found a political party based on the single issue of capital punishment for bad grammar. |
| 16:14.38 | Merc | but, what's with this obsession |
| 16:15.15 | Korhonen | I don't know. |
| 16:15.17 | Korhonen | Truth be told |
| 16:15.22 | Korhonen | I just like to remind him of his failing. |
| 16:15.31 | Korhonen | I enjoy reminding people of their flaws. |
| 16:15.41 | Merc | everyone has flaws |
| 16:15.57 | Merc | why focus on this one flaw |
| 16:16.19 | Korhonen | Hmm |
| 16:16.21 | Korhonen | I don't know. |
| 16:16.23 | Korhonen | Probably |
| 16:16.30 | Korhonen | because he first insisted that it was ihr and later had to relent |
| 16:16.34 | Korhonen | which makes the victory all the sweeter |
| 16:16.44 | Korhonen | and something worthy or rubbing in ad nauseam again and again and again. |
| 16:16.48 | Merc | so you're revisiting that feeling |
| 16:16.53 | Korhonen | Yes |
| 16:16.55 | Korhonen | that must be it. |
| 16:17.22 | Merc | what makes that victory so sweet though |
| 16:18.01 | Merc | if I didnt know any better I'd say it was because Ahli is no regular guy, and you have a lot of respect for him |
| 16:18.52 | Merc | I've seen this before in teenagers when I was a substitute teacher |
| 16:18.53 | Korhonen | Hmm |
| 16:19.05 | Merc | teacher screws up and they'll never let it go |
| 16:19.19 | Korhonen | Nahh, it was just I once randomly asked him on a forum "Is it true that many Germans incorrectly say das Mädchen und ihr Buch and he said it was correct |
| 16:19.22 | Korhonen | he was one of those awful people |
| 16:19.34 | Korhonen | and then I asserted it wasn't and after a long discussion with my citing multiple sources he relented. |
| 16:19.40 | Ahli | it was in here, not in a forum |
| 16:19.47 | Korhonen | No, it was on teamliquid. |
| 16:19.50 | Korhonen | That is where it started |
| 16:19.54 | Korhonen | And that makes it so sweet |
| 16:19.55 | Ahli | oh right |
| 16:20.03 | Korhonen | that someone first does not admit, but later has no choice. |
| 16:20.08 | Korhonen | And I shall thus forever remind you of your failure. |
| 16:20.14 | Korhonen | The sweet, sweet justice. |
| 16:20.19 | Merc | seems a little bit immature dude |
| 16:20.37 | Ahli | but other people on reddit did that mistake, too and you don't continuously jump on them. |
| 16:20.42 | Korhonen | Ohh, I would love to tie you to a chair and slowly carve your organs out with a chainsaw all the while softly telling you that it's Das Mädchen und sein Buch |
| 16:20.45 | Korhonen | that would be delicious. |
| 16:20.53 | Merc | or have you just not had any victories like that lately |
| 16:20.58 | Korhonen | They admitted it quickly. |
| 16:21.03 | Korhonen | Oh, I do that all the time. |
| 16:21.12 | Korhonen | I still remind people of things after years and years and years. |
| 16:21.26 | Merc | you must be a fun guy to hang with |
| 16:21.49 | Korhonen | I don't "hang" with people. |
| 16:22.00 | Korhonen | But yes, I'm pretty sure almost anyone considers me like the most annoying thing ever. |
| 16:22.12 | Merc | that's a victory in itself |
| 16:22.34 | Ahli | I don't think you should be proud of that... |
| 16:22.58 | Merc | to each their own |
| 16:22.59 | Korhonen | I never said I was proud of it. |
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| 16:23.01 | Korhonen | I don't really care. |
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| 17:05.21 | Ahli | can I force an ammo unit to return to the carrier? |
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| 17:12.30 | greybeard | pings tell you if nova is a clone or notg |
| 17:12.40 | Ahli | does anyone know what the resistant flag does? |
| 17:13.06 | Ahli | that one was added > 1 year ago |
| 17:20.51 | Goa | it resists explanations |
| 17:21.00 | Goa | :) |
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| 17:36.02 | ArcanePariah | Time to answer all questions, in reverse order, of course. |
| 17:36.17 | Merc | :D |
| 17:36.42 | ArcanePariah | Resistant flag, by itself, I do not think does anything, but I have not tested. It however, can be used as a filter for targeting |
| 17:36.59 | ArcanePariah | Since as a flag, it is included in the unit filters. |
| 17:38.48 | ArcanePariah | As for ammo units being forced to return to the carrier, yes, use a Return Magazine effect targeting the ammo units |
| 17:39.39 | ArcanePariah | And in fact, the tooltip for the unit target explicity says just that :D (Use this if you want to force Interceptors to return to the Carrier) |
| 17:40.20 | ArcanePariah | As for ignore being an unknown command, I think IRC uses a different syntax |
| 17:40.40 | Merc | that probably depends on your client |
| 17:40.44 | ArcanePariah | However, for my IRC client it is working |
| 17:40.46 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 17:42.05 | ArcanePariah | As for teaching and people learning on their own, yes, one should learn by failures, but some guidance is also useful. In this case, note that I am not doing anything for anyone, and thus the person must practice what I teach. |
| 17:43.15 | Merc | amazingly more effective to have a teacher than to be your own at least |
| 17:43.28 | Zolden | being your own teacher is optimal |
| 17:43.39 | Merc | depends how awful you are at teaching |
| 17:43.44 | Zolden | teacher may not know the answer, but knows the way to get one |
| 17:43.45 | Ahli | oh, did I miss the effect... |
| 17:49.50 | Ahli | k, works :D now I need to make them not launch able |
| 17:54.44 | DNAofDeath | Arcane was our meeting today? |
| 17:54.51 | DNAofDeath | *is |
| 18:07.24 | Ahli | hmmm, not launchable is difficult... I might even need to try to morph the interceptor to another unit type that the use magazine effect does not refer to... |
| 18:09.01 | Ahli | why isn't there an ammo validator in the use effect =/ |
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| 18:45.50 | Merc | I tried this: <On Terms="UnitBirth; ValidateUnit HasAllianceGroundWeapon3" Target="HumanFootmanSword" Send="ModelSwap HumanFootmanSword3"/> |
| 18:45.54 | Merc | didnt work too well |
| 18:49.44 | Zolden | TwoDie how about this? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/53/70/dg1.gif |
| 18:49.46 | Ahli | do you have a "HumanFootmanSword" actor created? |
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| 18:53.23 | TwoDie | zolden not big fan.. that scribernot model and texture really disapointing |
| 18:53.30 | TwoDie | as it only duplicates 4 times |
| 18:53.33 | TwoDie | and itaitniantiant |
| 18:53.48 | TwoDie | so lacks details and breaking that symetry |
| 18:53.53 | ArcanePariah | Merc, in the Sword actor itself, you want to validate the player, checking for the upgrade. |
| 18:54.06 | ArcanePariah | And then do the model swapping |
| 18:54.53 | ArcanePariah | So it would be more like this : <On Terms"Actor Creation; ValidatePlayer HasAllianceGroundWeapon3" Send = "ModelSwap HumanFootmanSword3"/> |
| 18:55.36 | ArcanePariah | So when the Sword actor is created, it runs the validator, checking if the requirement is fulfilled, if so, swap the model. |
| 18:56.36 | ArcanePariah | Similar logic should be employed in each of the other actors (Shield, Helmet, Sword, etc.) |
| 18:57.59 | ArcanePariah | The idea here is that the model actor should determine if it should swap models, not the unit actor. Unit actor should just attach stuff, and only swap models when upgrades complete. It should not worry abotu models when they are created. |
| 18:59.06 | ArcanePariah | DNAofDeath, yes, I'll be available at 7:30pm my time. |
| 18:59.52 | DNAofDeath | okay, i was sleeping till now so i forget :P |
| 19:00.15 | DNAofDeath | i was a little bit confused xD |
| 19:01.39 | ArcanePariah | All good |
| 19:05.27 | Zolden | is "all good" a kind of euphemism of "allright"? |
| 19:07.01 | Zolden | like "jogging" that is now called "running"? |
| 19:09.07 | TwoDie | squats,, what is that? |
| 19:13.20 | Zolden | same as squirbs i guess |
| 19:14.55 | ArcanePariah | All good = I understand, no harm, no issue, All is good and well. |
| 19:15.31 | ArcanePariah | Meanwhile, my country is either going to actually get shit done or go round 2 of gridlock |
| 19:15.47 | ArcanePariah | Hello greybeard, welcome back. |
| 19:16.28 | Merc | ArcanePariah: I'll give that a try |
| 19:16.49 | Merc | Thought there was a problem with using validateplayer like that though, as in it wouldnt know which player to use or something? |
| 19:16.56 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Merc, we need to talk |
| 19:17.05 | greybeard | yar |
| 19:17.10 | AhliUndSeinBuch | about the German language being defiled as we speak. |
| 19:17.35 | ArcanePariah | No, the actor is still owned only by 1 player, and the actor does keep track of it. |
| 19:17.47 | Merc | alright |
| 19:17.55 | ArcanePariah | In fact, there is an event to detect player change, so you could do stuff if the player were to change. |
| 19:18.07 | Zolden | ArcanePariah waht's grilock? |
| 19:18.37 | ArcanePariah | gridlock = nothing happening due to many things pushing against each other. |
| 19:18.57 | ArcanePariah | In my case, the US national legislature is gridlocked, they barely do shit. |
| 19:19.42 | ArcanePariah | The US is an oddity in that opposing factions can control the executive and legislative branches. Most countries, the executive is selected from the ruling faction of the legislation |
| 19:20.16 | Ahli | is the return magazine's magazine effect not working? |
| 19:20.31 | DNAofDeath | same here xD |
| 19:20.35 | ArcanePariah | The latter is the parliamentary system. Most of the EU uses it, and for that matter, most democracies use it. Except the US. |
| 19:21.19 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, for the which unit, you need to target the ammo units themselves. So you will either need to use a search effect or an iterate magazine effect. |
| 19:21.32 | DNAofDeath | Aracane this system is just slowing the 'getting worse as hell' process... dont mind xD |
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| 19:21.43 | ArcanePariah | Not target the parent unit. |
| 19:21.44 | Merc | most of the EU is not a massive union of states though |
| 19:21.46 | Zolden | ArcanePariah ppl voted for marijuana lagalization in washington DC, hope it will help to improve legislature the wise way |
| 19:22.09 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, that is basically null, our national legislation can override it at will. |
| 19:22.10 | Ahli | I target an interceptor with the return magazine effect. the interceptor returns as expected. I want it to execute a morph, too, but it doesn't attempt to execute that |
| 19:23.41 | ArcanePariah | DNAofDeath, yes, the parliamentary system slows things down, because to get any majority, you often have to form coalitions. Minority parties have much more sway. |
| 19:24.33 | ArcanePariah | Primary issue in the US is our parties get to pick their voters. Since our legislation is elected from districts, but the districts are drawn by the state legislations. |
| 19:25.04 | ArcanePariah | So the state legislation draw them in such a way to guarentee far more national legislators of their party then the numbers suggest. |
| 19:25.13 | ArcanePariah | We call it gerrymandering |
| 19:25.37 | ArcanePariah | Because we have winner take all, any vote past 50% + 1 is worth nothing, and any vote less then that is also worth nothing. |
| 19:25.51 | DNAofDeath | xD |
| 19:25.57 | Merc | gerrymandering, that's how Texas turns out blue in many elections isnt it |
| 19:26.15 | ArcanePariah | So the district are usually rigged 60/40 split to waste as few of your own party, and you make sure your opponet has like 90/10 splits. |
| 19:26.22 | ArcanePariah | Which waste a ton of their votes |
| 19:26.54 | ArcanePariah | Merc, it works for both parties, but yes. Currently, by a straight number vote, the national legislation should be almost evenly split |
| 19:27.14 | ArcanePariah | But because of gerrymandering it is almost 2-1 split instead. |
| 19:27.57 | ArcanePariah | Thankfully, my state (California) got rid of it, we removed the legislation from doing the districts, so now we get far more accuate districts |
| 19:28.17 | ArcanePariah | But California is unique, we are one of the few (only?) states that permits direct democracy |
| 19:28.37 | ArcanePariah | People, if they get enough signatures, can put laws directly to the vote, no legislation needed. |
| 19:31.55 | Merc | scary thing about learning all this new stuff in the editor is that you get those moments where you go "oh crap I should go back and redo everything to make sure it's set up properly now" |
| 19:32.04 | ArcanePariah | Indeed :D |
| 19:32.19 | ArcanePariah | Don't worry, it happens. There were parts of NOTD 1 that I rewrote 2 or 3 times |
| 19:32.44 | DNAofDeath | i wish i could participate in this discussion, but my english is way too bad for political discussions xD (i understand everything u sayd, but im not able to form an answer xDDDDDD) |
| 19:32.44 | Merc | thankfully I've been very strict with how I name my stuff so it shouldnt be too harsh |
| 19:32.52 | Rommper | Do you ppl like old school sci-fi? I mean those old black and white vintage ones? |
| 19:33.00 | ArcanePariah | Really, programming SHOULD be treated like writing a paper, no one would sanely suggest writing a large research paper in one go. |
| 19:33.34 | ArcanePariah | Something else then, that we can work on DNAofDeath, you teach me German, I teach you English :D |
| 19:33.41 | Merc | Rommper: like Gayniggers from Outer Space? |
| 19:33.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Souler (~Souler@171.59.189.109.customer.cdi.no) |
| 19:33.49 | Merc | quality film right there |
| 19:34.01 | DNAofDeath | Merc haha this was the frustrating part in my first days with the editor |
| 19:34.24 | ArcanePariah | Rommper, not as much, but there is one classic black and white I like, Casablanca |
| 19:34.47 | ArcanePariah | Very good movie, some epic quotes in there |
| 19:35.56 | ArcanePariah | DNAofDeath, can you setup permissions so I can commit a branch? I'm going to rewrite a piece of code to demonstrate something. |
| 19:37.11 | DNAofDeath | Arcane i can give you contact to my girlfriend, as you know she studies teching german PLUS she passed to get a english-certificate from cambridge university xD (if you seriously want to learn german :P i dont think i would be good like her xD) |
| 19:37.20 | DNAofDeath | *teaching |
| 19:37.33 | DNAofDeath | ehm, you cannot commit? |
| 19:37.34 | DNAofDeath | 0o |
| 19:37.52 | DNAofDeath | i set up ur permission to "Author" so you should be able to commit |
| 19:38.20 | DNAofDeath | only thing higher than author should be owner |
| 19:38.23 | Rommper | thinking about a map idea with old school sci-fi settings. With sc2 lights you could emulate those old black and white feeling |
| 19:38.33 | Rommper | i* |
| 19:38.49 | ArcanePariah | Ok, I never tried committing yet |
| 19:39.02 | ArcanePariah | Want to check first before trying and possibly screwing something up XD |
| 19:39.22 | DNAofDeath | u can testing it just creating a new branch on the remote-side |
| 19:39.56 | DNAofDeath | dont mind, screwing up a git repo SHOULD be nearly impossible xD |
| 19:43.07 | Merc | can I use ##actorName## in the same way as ##unitName## |
| 19:43.13 | Merc | and is there a list of these expressions somewhere? |
| 19:45.00 | ArcanePariah | Merc, that was what I was going to show you, would you like the lesson now? |
| 19:45.15 | Merc | hue hue |
| 19:45.39 | Merc | well do you have time? I got about 2 hours left here |
| 19:46.57 | ArcanePariah | I do have time. Gimme me a few minutes to sort out this wonderful GIT/Key thingymajig |
| 19:47.04 | Merc | sure |
| 19:47.18 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Ahli, we seriously need to have a head to head conversation about your grammar man. |
| 19:47.44 | Merc | I think he found the ignore function m8 |
| 19:49.54 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Merc, how would I remind him of his failing then? |
| 19:50.09 | Merc | I'm sure you have your ways |
| 19:50.49 | DNAofDeath | oh |
| 19:51.24 | DNAofDeath | my teammate form u-labs was starting saying things like 'master-branch' ewwwww... |
| 19:51.38 | DNAofDeath | i think he didnt get how git should be used xD |
| 19:53.15 | Ahli | https://soundcloud.com/starcraft-ii-official/at-1 third lotv sound teaser |
| 19:54.07 | Merc | that was fast |
| 19:54.18 | Merc | now that was protossy |
| 19:59.23 | ArcanePariah | Hmm DNAofDeath, it isn't accepting my key. I have loaded my private key, but I'm getting access denied when I try to push the branch |
| 19:59.34 | ArcanePariah | Do I need to create the branch first on the remote, then push? |
| 20:00.20 | DNAofDeath | i have to putr my clothey in the dryer, after that i will take a look whats going wrong |
| 20:00.33 | DNAofDeath | *put *clothes |
| 20:02.39 | Merc | oh right laundry |
| 20:07.57 | Merc | heh, got the armor switching working now |
| 20:08.05 | Merc | working kinda funny but working :D |
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| 20:15.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin_Hendricks (~Dustin_He@216.240.30.25) |
| 20:16.10 | ArcanePariah | Sup Dustin_Hendricks, 2 days :D |
| 20:18.02 | Zolden | ArcanePariah will u share your screen through skype with me while watching blizzcon? |
| 20:18.49 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, I will be watching it at school, so should be fast. |
| 20:19.12 | Merc | let's all share ArcanePariah's screen and have a popcorn party |
| 20:19.30 | Zolden | ArcanePariah cool. not going to use this possibility, though. was just curious what u answer |
| 20:19.47 | Merc | now you're missing out on the popcorn party |
| 20:20.14 | Zolden | most of blizzcon is boring except like 1-2 hours |
| 20:20.27 | Zolden | so, records later will be examined |
| 20:22.12 | Ahli | use magazine's ammo unit doesn't work as I want it to work :S I was hoping to be able to specify the unit type launched... |
| 20:22.46 | Dustin_Hendricks | Yay :D |
| 20:22.53 | Dustin_Hendricks | So ready to finish these last 2 work days |
| 20:23.11 | Zolden | Ahli u wanted to create unit instances through magazine to launach them as missiles? |
| 20:23.42 | Ahli | no, I want to prevent a magazine unit from being launched |
| 20:26.41 | ArcanePariah | Ok, DNAofDeath got it working, my keys were just slightly messed up. |
| 20:27.02 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03ArcaneDurandel 07DataOptimzation * 1558070 (68 files in 6 directories): [new, +3 commits] |
| 20:27.02 | Repo | 1558070: Created Poison Tower |
| 20:27.02 | Repo | 587948b: Removed strangely duplicated towers 0o |
| 20:27.02 | Repo | a2a56d9: Removed the annoying Error Message " Properties detected for attach point Ref_TurretZ which does not exist.", Problem was, that there was no longer a Turret attached to static towers, but in the Model "Attachment Properties" had a Turret Attachment on it. |
| 20:27.27 | Zolden | what keys are you talking about\ |
| 20:28.26 | DNAofDeath | xDDD |
| 20:28.31 | DNAofDeath | SSH-Keys |
| 20:28.35 | ArcanePariah | public/private ssh keys, used to doing authentication, so you don't have to use passwords. |
| 20:37.35 | Merc | I think my validators are fucky |
| 20:37.50 | Merc | making all kinds of progress here ArcanePariah |
| 20:38.02 | Merc | mind if I take a raincheck on my lesson? |
| 20:40.34 | Merc | taking that as a yes! |
| 20:40.42 | Zolden | u need snowcheck, u're scandinavian |
| 20:40.56 | Merc | not yet, still only been raining |
| 20:41.01 | Merc | and windy |
| 20:41.28 | Zolden | and fucky |
| 20:41.30 | Zolden | validators |
| 20:41.51 | Merc | like you wouldnt believe |
| 20:41.53 | Merc | remaking now |
| 20:42.47 | ArcanePariah | Sure |
| 20:43.43 | Merc | it's like a bomb exploded in my requirement nodes tab |
| 20:45.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster IskatuMesk (4645ef99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.69.239.153) |
| 20:45.43 | IskatuMesk | hello qt |
| 20:45.45 | IskatuMesk | r u hard |
| 20:45.58 | IskatuMesk | ahli multiplied |
| 20:46.35 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/71900-prevent-use-magazine-from-launching-one-unit-type/ |
| 20:48.00 | IskatuMesk | I'm still trying to figure out how to copy paste stuff without snapping it in half |
| 20:50.47 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Ahli, mein liebling. |
| 20:51.04 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Du hast die schönsten Augenhöhlen der Welt. |
| 20:51.20 | IskatuMesk | buch dich |
| 20:51.31 | IskatuMesk | only tea and crumpets land words I know |
| 20:51.49 | Goa | https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B1tKOUKIAAEOgVd.mp4 |
| 20:52.15 | ArcanePariah | DNAofDeath, if you look at my branch, and run it, you will see something different, yet the same :D |
| 20:52.35 | ArcanePariah | Specifically, look at User Type and the Initialize map trigger |
| 20:54.02 | IskatuMesk | I'll initialize YOUR trigger |
| 20:54.18 | ArcanePariah | Unlikely |
| 20:54.38 | IskatuMesk | a man can do a lot with oil and some iron shavings |
| 20:55.04 | IskatuMesk | now... how shall I turn all of zeratul's black temple green bits into player color glow... |
| 20:56.05 | IskatuMesk | the nonsense of returning those player color glows to protoss better not require importing them into max, else this is going to be anguishing |
| 20:59.04 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03ArcaneDurandel 07DataOptimzation * df0aef1 (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Fixed some text |
| 20:59.59 | IskatuMesk | I'll optimize YOUR data |
| 21:04.37 | ArcanePariah | Be my guest :D |
| 21:04.45 | ArcanePariah | Abathur will take notes |
| 21:05.53 | IskatuMesk | how do you change the player in the cutscene editor |
| 21:06.35 | ArcanePariah | For a given object? I imagine it is part of the object properties |
| 21:07.00 | IskatuMesk | seems just hammering numbers works |
| 21:07.12 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately my color changes were ineffective and this likely means a great deal of pain awaits me |
| 21:08.53 | DNAofDeath | hmmm |
| 21:09.01 | DNAofDeath | im confused |
| 21:10.13 | ArcanePariah | What I did wsa the following: I put all the information about the starting buttons and labels into User Type (the offsets and the heights/widths)> |
| 21:10.28 | ArcanePariah | Then, by doing so, I consolidated the code into a for loop |
| 21:10.57 | ArcanePariah | The loop grabs the first instance of the User Type, and uses the info to create the lable and button |
| 21:11.09 | ArcanePariah | And loops through all the instances |
| 21:11.59 | ArcanePariah | So I've abstracted away the info about them, allowing you to change them without having to change the code. |
| 21:14.00 | greybeard | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtS4Plzhe4 |
| 21:14.08 | greybeard | SCU looks a lot different |
| 21:14.13 | ArcanePariah | Mainly a demo of how user type can make your code more compact/clean |
| 21:14.35 | ArcanePariah | By separating data from logic |
| 21:16.15 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, looks like they've made a lot of progress |
| 21:17.15 | ArcanePariah | Defintely shows what is possible with the SC2 editor. |
| 21:18.09 | IskatuMesk | looks like the average tps to me |
| 21:18.52 | IskatuMesk | and still no real custom assets.... long way for them to go |
| 21:19.23 | IskatuMesk | oh boy. that depth of field bug :( |
| 21:20.20 | greybeard | I saw many custom animations |
| 21:20.32 | IskatuMesk | I see lots of sliding around |
| 21:20.34 | IskatuMesk | and other lazy |
| 21:20.39 | IskatuMesk | also the casual red indicators |
| 21:20.57 | greybeard | and I believe that FoD is intentional >.< |
| 21:21.02 | IskatuMesk | sc2 has a huge amount of potential and nothing on b.ent is going to touch it unfortunately |
| 21:21.27 | IskatuMesk | something like that deserves a latency bypass |
| 21:21.49 | ArcanePariah | Well... we may well get it. Storm already did it |
| 21:22.02 | IskatuMesk | they are probably praying to the god of coffee for it |
| 21:22.45 | ArcanePariah | Assuming our speculation is correct, and the Storm engine changes are merged back with SC2, we will get the low latency people want, because Storm is as low as you can get. |
| 21:23.10 | IskatuMesk | then all you need is local hosting and you're back up to brood war! |
| 21:23.25 | IskatuMesk | then those maps can actually have voice acting and models |
| 21:23.28 | ArcanePariah | Local hosting will probably never happen |
| 21:23.35 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 21:23.47 | IskatuMesk | no probably there, they'll never add it |
| 21:24.05 | greybeard | did we ever get closer to figuring out what they *did* to change heroes latency? |
| 21:24.12 | ArcanePariah | Creates just as many issues as it solves. Not to mention the inherent game balance problems |
| 21:24.58 | ArcanePariah | They said engine optimzation, which is believeable, since from what we saw with the storm data, they were tinkering with stuff to a degree they felt they needed to make sure basic assignment still worked. |
| 21:25.09 | IskatuMesk | game balance would be a null issue |
| 21:25.22 | IskatuMesk | just host ladder on server |
| 21:25.24 | IskatuMesk | problem solved |
| 21:25.36 | ArcanePariah | I mean, testing if a = 5, printout(a) == 5, suggests some pretty basic engine stuff was getting worked over |
| 21:25.57 | greybeard | er, netcode optimization? |
| 21:26.19 | DNAofDeath | nice, my galaxy is not opening anymore |
| 21:26.36 | ArcanePariah | The netcode has to interact/sync with the engine, so I assume both needed work |
| 21:26.54 | DNAofDeath | after 3 secs is hanging up and will not respond anymore |
| 21:27.03 | ArcanePariah | The thing is, law of physics always is going to be a brutal master, and limit what you can do. |
| 21:27.13 | IskatuMesk | I wish I could force the editor to reload assets |
| 21:27.16 | IskatuMesk | instead of restarting it |
| 21:27.25 | ArcanePariah | Need the dev editor to do that |
| 21:27.28 | ArcanePariah | It can do it |
| 21:27.35 | IskatuMesk | send me it :3 |
| 21:28.00 | ArcanePariah | lol, Blizzard has it, I don't, I just know it c an because the data strings for the dev version are still there. |
| 21:28.05 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 21:28.06 | IskatuMesk | too bad |
| 21:28.20 | IskatuMesk | that basic stuff should always be there |
| 21:28.36 | IskatuMesk | it is a real chore to have to keep reloading |
| 21:28.51 | greybeard | it's interesting that they didnt care to optimize latency for sc2 |
| 21:29.48 | IskatuMesk | I am not really sure what is going on here, but the player glow kind of "works", it's just... not working |
| 21:29.52 | Ahli | in sc2 they wanted to have people playing with even conditions regardless of smaller lags/higher pings |
| 21:30.32 | greybeard | is that not the case with heroes? |
| 21:30.57 | Ahli | no, because everyone that played the other games of that genre will notice it and hate it ;D |
| 21:31.13 | IskatuMesk | people put up with dota 2's sluggishness somehow.. |
| 21:31.47 | IskatuMesk | and league definitely also has a forced latency |
| 21:32.08 | IskatuMesk | after playing symphony of the night and metal slug, none of these pc games feel responsive anymore |
| 21:32.17 | greybeard | I meant the different functionality in heroes -- people with less ping will play more responsive? Is there not still a global ms it's just now miniscule? |
| 21:32.31 | greybeard | maybe Im just making words up |
| 21:33.28 | woodgiraffe | SC2 latency not optimized? |
| 21:34.06 | greybeard | http://gfycat.com/RealisticVerifiableHarpseal |
| 21:34.31 | IskatuMesk | damnit where is jademussreg when I need him |
| 21:34.31 | Ahli | if you lag, your inputs are delayed in heroes... if you don't lag, it feels like stuff is basically instantly executed. Btw, playing heroes on US alpha server felt a bit better than sc2, but not as good as playing on EU. |
| 21:35.11 | ArcanePariah | greybeard, in SC2, if you did not have a latency floor, the lower latency player would be able to easily outmicro the other player. Also, SC2 players much faster, mis timing a pull back with marines could lead to wipe. In heroes, the animations/pacing are a bit slower, so if there is a lag mismatch, it won't mean much, especially since its 5v5. |
| 21:35.41 | woodgiraffe | Ahli: well, SC2 is lockstep, I assume Heroes is just hosted server-client |
| 21:35.57 | ArcanePariah | The only time in Heroes where a lag mismatch might mean something is two players both trying to skill shot each other, and both shots will be lethal |
| 21:36.05 | Ahli | yeah, sc2 stops executing if one player lags too much... in heroes he is dropped and needs to reconnect <3 |
| 21:36.09 | ArcanePariah | But that is rare. |
| 21:36.21 | IskatuMesk | heroes sounds way more intelligent |
| 21:36.42 | greybeard | I knew that about heroes-- what I was getting at was are the changes to the heroes engines so intensive to not use the lockstep thing |
| 21:37.06 | IskatuMesk | arcanepariah are you a master of texture changes in sc2 |
| 21:37.06 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, though maybe not. Depends on how it was architechted |
| 21:37.16 | ArcanePariah | No, but I need to learn soon |
| 21:37.24 | IskatuMesk | what steps do I need to go through to give protoss stuff player colored glows back |
| 21:37.28 | Ahli | I would love to read an article from the guys that did that about how they improved it :D |
| 21:37.35 | IskatuMesk | I changed the emissives and alphas but it's not really having a good effect |
| 21:37.38 | greybeard | lol, I understand the rationale between the game design decision between genres, Im just wondering how different the engines have become |
| 21:37.51 | woodgiraffe | That has nothing to do with optimization |
| 21:38.08 | ArcanePariah | It is a design choice to either reconcile player inputs or take them as is. |
| 21:38.32 | ArcanePariah | And also a choice to keep synced state or permit states to catch up or race ahead |
| 21:38.59 | greybeard | (it does if heroes still uses a lockstep networking model that feels more responsive because it has been better optimized) |
| 21:39.28 | ArcanePariah | I don't think it does anymore. As Ahli noted, he now feels variable latency when playing on NA vs EU |
| 21:39.29 | greybeard | right-- I didn't want to discuss design choices. I wanted to talk about technical stuff :P |
| 21:39.44 | IskatuMesk | design is for nerds anyways |
| 21:39.51 | ArcanePariah | I misspoke: I mean tech design choice |
| 21:40.23 | ArcanePariah | It is a fundamental techincal design choice on how to handle multiplayer input and how consistent the game state must remain. |
| 21:40.51 | ArcanePariah | Because, we async game states, the game has to basically lie to you at all times. |
| 21:41.15 | ArcanePariah | valve had an execellent article on the subject, on how hit detection is done for multiplayer fps |
| 21:41.23 | ArcanePariah | FPS* |
| 21:42.12 | ArcanePariah | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking |
| 21:43.47 | ArcanePariah | TL;DR, the server corrects for lag, knowing that whatever you tell it as a client is old, so it must be keeping up with the state from N seconds ago, whatever your lag is. |
| 21:43.58 | ArcanePariah | And for things to work, they have to agree. |
| 21:44.58 | IskatuMesk | halo PC had the best necode of any game I have played |
| 21:45.06 | IskatuMesk | you had to lead by 3-4 player spaces on the best of conditions |
| 21:45.14 | ArcanePariah | Welp, lunch time! |
| 21:45.17 | IskatuMesk | vehicles and shit randomly flipped around and then were driving away |
| 21:45.24 | IskatuMesk | and you could die to immobile objects |
| 21:45.29 | ArcanePariah | Be back later to do further Q and A :D |
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| 21:53.09 | IskatuMesk | blizzard and your hyper descriptive material names... |
| 21:54.34 | IskatuMesk | yep, these will require importing to fix I think. And since the importer breaks more than it fixes... |
| 21:57.06 | Zolden | new ninja turtles moview is shit |
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| 22:04.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster amin_ (ae07bb77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.187.119) |
| 22:04.40 | amin_ | how was spain greybeard |
| 22:05.09 | greybeard | pleasant |
| 22:11.48 | Ahli | "You cannot publish into another author's map cluster" and "You cannot be a cluster and a member of a cluster at the same time." heroes editor + bnet server - error message? |
| 22:13.45 | amin_ | omgosh |
| 22:13.46 | amin_ | its ahli |
| 22:14.23 | Dustin|Work | What, did you find a geroes editor ahli? |
| 22:14.25 | Dustin|Work | heroes |
| 22:15.17 | amin_ | Ahli your diablo map must have taken like a year to make |
| 22:15.44 | Ahli | amin_: or 4 with on and off development |
| 22:15.46 | Dustin|Work | He's been working on it forever :P |
| 22:15.57 | amin_ | 4................................... |
| 22:16.08 | Ahli | adding more stuff, step by step... |
| 22:16.12 | amin_ | jesus |
| 22:16.21 | amin_ | youre a crazy man |
| 22:16.33 | Ahli | can't deny that |
| 22:16.37 | amin_ | some true dedication, nice job |
| 22:17.06 | Ahli | Dustin, in bnet cache :D |
| 22:17.14 | Ahli | 7bdaf5ec8c9e4fdab1797f276e53afd394f641cbea798d47dd8ad54a9e8f56c6.xml |
| 22:17.50 | amin_ | Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to modify my units radius so that it collides closer to the unit, but when i adjust it, the collision does weird stuff, like the ball gets stuck when it collides |
| 22:18.17 | amin_ | i made movement-radius smaller so that it would collide closer, but the ball gets stuck now |
| 22:19.14 | amin_ | unit to unit collision with a ball and another unit |
| 22:20.56 | Ahli | "You cannot be a cluster and a member of a cluster at the same time." o_0 |
| 22:22.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster IcE^ (ice@skalman.tech.dreamhack.se) |
| 22:32.03 | IskatuMesk | you can be my cluster member any time ahli |
| 22:49.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@2a02:908:fd53:5f00:34d1:bafb:e3b6:c5b3) |
| 22:59.17 | Zolden | Ahli you want to be a cluster? |
| 23:00.00 | Ahli | yes, so I can publish files to bnet |
| 23:01.37 | IskatuMesk | a cluster of men |
| 23:01.41 | IskatuMesk | grunting and hollering |
| 23:07.02 | Zolden | Ahli is it heroes editor you're playing with? |
| 23:09.41 | Ahli | no, I only found strings in bnet cache |
| 23:15.05 | IskatuMesk | I would like to free up a terabyte or two... maybe I should just encode this 12 minute XXE and be done with it |
| 23:25.04 | AhliUndSeinBuch | Zolden, I wouldn't trsut what Ahli says. |
| 23:25.09 | AhliUndSeinBuch | His grammar leaves much to be desired. |
| 23:38.43 | Zolden | i build my trust on nickname length |
| 23:38.53 | Zolden | the shorter it is, the more I trust |
| 23:41.24 | IskatuMesk | Zolden do you know an easy way to make all the protoss unit/building glows player color, or will this require importing into max/breaking everything and redoing it all? |
| 23:41.39 | IskatuMesk | just adding the texture information to emissive isn't enough |
| 23:41.44 | IskatuMesk | probably needs material setting changes |
| 23:42.10 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:42.25 | Zolden | sc2println guy can help you |
| 23:42.49 | Zolden | he has a script to turn m3 file to xml and back |
| 23:43.15 | Zolden | there you would need to find material's flag that defines emissive mode as "team color add" instead of "add" |
| 23:44.59 | IskatuMesk | yes, that sounds a lot less painful than redoing it all |
| 23:51.38 | Zolden | it sounds literally 100 times faster |
