| 00:00.18 | Dustin|Work | [ ]Golden Axe.zip2012-05-26 18:17343K |
| 00:00.19 | Dustin|Work | [ ]Golden Axe II.zip2012-05-26 18:17330K |
| 00:00.19 | Dustin|Work | [ ]Golden Axe III.zip2012-05-26 18:16687K |
| 00:00.21 | Dustin|Work | got 3 of em |
| 00:01.45 | Dustin|Work | Would be nice if the emulator would let you load server side files |
| 00:01.50 | Dustin|Work | So you didnt have to download the roms first |
| 00:02.24 | Dustin|Work | But it's easy enough. click the link, click load, pick it from download directory, BAM playing Super Mario Kart |
| 00:05.26 | Zolden | yea, played, fucking nice |
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| 00:46.02 | Kazimir | Evenin folks! |
| 00:47.58 | greybeard | yarg |
| 01:13.22 | Dustin|Work | Hola |
| 01:45.24 | amin | hola |
| 01:46.17 | Dustin|Work | Updated the page with pretty graphics and Show/Hide sections for the roms :) https://dustinhendrickson.com/?view=emulator |
| 03:01.20 | Ahli | can I issue a smart click order via issue order effect? |
| 03:02.32 | Ahli | I've problems with my BW micro carrier... right clicking structures in fog bugs it :< |
| 03:18.33 | Dustin|Work | Haven't really ever tried smart orders |
| 03:20.44 | Ahli | it doesn't look like it's possible in data |
| 03:21.11 | Ahli | well, atm I'm checking if it is enemy or not enemy, then I try to order smart attack or smart move |
| 03:21.14 | nyrkkaaja | Ahli |
| 03:21.19 | nyrkkaaja | I seek to atone for my sins against you. |
| 03:22.34 | Ahli | needs to look up the word atone |
| 03:23.39 | amin | paying someone to fix my function |
| 03:23.46 | amin | anyone up for the job? |
| 03:24.32 | Dustin|Work | If you're around tomorrow amin I'll take a wack at it |
| 03:24.53 | amin | ok |
| 03:25.03 | Dustin|Work | If you wanna email me the map file Ill see what I can do, dustin.hendrickson@gmail.com |
| 03:25.12 | amin | Anyone else feel like trying to make a ball bounce off a wall? |
| 03:25.24 | amin | now, or? |
| 03:25.35 | Dustin|Work | Yeah you can email it now and Ill take a look in the morning |
| 03:25.43 | Dustin|Work | It's my friday today :) |
| 03:25.56 | amin | ah |
| 03:31.05 | amin | Anyone else want to try to fix my function of trying to get the ball to bounce off the wall properly? I'll pay $$ for ur time |
| 03:35.03 | ArcanePariah | Dustin|Work, your work must seriously bore you if you have time to add emulators to your website. What's next? |
| 03:49.28 | Dustin|Work | Lol, I get everything done and Im just sitting here waiting for an inbound call, so I add stupid cool shit to my site ;) |
| 04:13.04 | Ahli | so, with a vision validator, I can now filter out right clicks on invalid units (structures in fog) => right click uses other smart abilities like move and attack which handle stuff properly |
| 04:14.22 | Ahli | but a+click does not work that way... =/ I really need to figure out how to properly order it to attack using smart.... I can find the correct case, but the ordeing isn't working... next attempt: preempt + smart click + smart rally... |
| 04:16.37 | Ahli | yay, smart rally works |
| 04:20.36 | amin | ahli, what are you trying to make? |
| 04:23.01 | Ahli | I'm trying to make right click on structures in the fog work like normal units' right clicks. Also, I'm trying to make a+click of my ability work like the normal a+click. |
| 04:40.54 | Ahli | damned, I've used right click instead of a-click when I thought it would work o0 |
| 04:48.18 | ArcanePariah | Well, Ahli, I'm giving one of your countrymen some good english practice |
| 04:48.54 | ArcanePariah | Been helping him with stuff last few nights over skype, quite an interesting experience |
| 04:49.18 | Ahli | why was it interesting? |
| 04:49.46 | ArcanePariah | Just because I'm walking him through all the complexities of the editor, plus he is a self taught programmer, so we swap stories. |
| 04:50.29 | ArcanePariah | Makes me feel good helping someone overcome and guide him through stuff, so he is able to do what he wants to do (In this case, he is trying to remake an old map) |
| 04:51.03 | ArcanePariah | Also interesting how, with technology, we have bridged space and time, I can help someone clear across the world. |
| 04:52.14 | ArcanePariah | So, interesting. And tiring, and fun, and overall a positive thing. |
| 04:55.06 | Ahli | which old map :D |
| 05:08.54 | amin | thats so cute |
| 05:08.59 | amin | :p |
| 05:12.51 | ArcanePariah | Mafarazzo's TD |
| 05:13.38 | ArcanePariah | amin, sort of cute, but sort of an obligation on my part. I know the editor pretty damm well, and although I'm putting it to good use on my map, if I did not share my knowledge, what use what it be? |
| 05:13.59 | ArcanePariah | Oy Merc, you awake? |
| 05:14.29 | amin | on that note, think you could help me on this god forsaken barrier that ive come about on, ArcanePariah? |
| 05:15.00 | Ahli | arrrrr, it is attacking moving to a point instead of simulating right click.... o0 |
| 05:15.13 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, but it may have to wait, due to a number of prior commitments. If I understand your problem correctly, you are looking to have a unit reflect off a wall? |
| 05:16.28 | amin | Doesn't have to be a "wall", i wouldn't mind using customized shape regions to get the job done and just put up doodads for the visuals as walls, but im trying to use a unit converted from a doodad to achieve this |
| 05:16.36 | amin | either way, i dont know how to do it |
| 05:16.46 | greybeard | amin should just get bounty to do it for him |
| 05:17.01 | greybeard | I believe bounty already has wall bounce code in one of his maps |
| 05:17.13 | ArcanePariah | oy greybeard, you going to be on for next hour or so? |
| 05:17.27 | ArcanePariah | If so, I'll be up for storm stuff in 15 minutes |
| 05:18.09 | amin | Anyone who knows how to do it is welcome to help :3, i mean ive even offered money to someone in compensation for their time; but i just cant find anyone :/ |
| 05:22.00 | greybeard | I would sign on officially if I wasnt leaving for spain early tomorrow |
| 05:22.15 | greybeard | I do like money |
| 05:27.18 | amin | if you like money |
| 05:27.23 | amin | then why not help meh :D |
| 05:27.32 | greybeard | as stated |
| 05:27.34 | greybeard | leaving for spain |
| 05:27.36 | greybeard | tomorrow morning |
| 05:27.40 | amin | oh ok |
| 05:27.40 | greybeard | no work station |
| 05:28.04 | amin | spain should be fun |
| 05:28.12 | amin | cool place |
| 05:29.51 | greybeard | @ArcanePariah yer |
| 05:45.30 | amin | hey greybeard |
| 05:45.47 | amin | do you have bountys contact info such as skype? |
| 05:55.08 | greybeard | hes here almost every night |
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| 08:03.56 | IskatuMesk | mordekaiser numero uno |
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| 08:58.31 | GoodSir | hmm |
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| 12:57.52 | ArcanePariah | Good morning everyone |
| 12:58.18 | ArcanePariah | And good afternoon for other peoples |
| 12:58.27 | ArcanePariah | And good evening for some other peoples |
| 12:58.43 | Merc | good morning to you |
| 12:58.51 | Merc | and good afternoon to me |
| 12:59.06 | Merc | you pumped for our hot skype date? |
| 12:59.34 | ArcanePariah | Sure, we will keep it hand holding only :) |
| 13:00.00 | Merc | what, no bodily fluid exchange at all? |
| 13:00.22 | Merc | goddamn ebola craze |
| 13:07.25 | Bounty | Morning fellers |
| 13:07.45 | Bounty | Skype date? |
| 13:07.55 | Merc | aw yiss |
| 13:08.52 | Bounty | Hopefully it goes better than this http://imgur.com/60ZdzPG |
| 13:09.14 | Bounty | Watcha been up to Merc? Been awhile |
| 13:19.40 | Goa | nice gif |
| 13:20.20 | Bounty | Howdy Goa, how have you been? |
| 13:20.34 | Goa | nothing special |
| 13:20.41 | Bounty | Working on anything? |
| 13:30.16 | Zolden | ArcanePariah that's better |
| 13:31.51 | Zolden | Goa working on creating his 75th game idea |
| 13:32.03 | Goa | :D |
| 13:32.25 | Goa | started working on my like 5th untiy game |
| 13:32.32 | Goa | I think I gonna finish this |
| 13:34.24 | Bounty | Ah, no more SC2 Goa? |
| 13:35.04 | Goa | fuck sc2 shit |
| 13:35.12 | Goa | unity better by light years |
| 13:35.30 | Bounty | Of course |
| 13:36.03 | Bounty | Hopefully if our KS is successful we can reignite SC2 though |
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| 13:56.42 | Ahli | damned, it's not possible to execute a right click on a unit in fog with effects nor triggers... |
| 13:56.54 | Ahli | like structure image in fog |
| 13:57.30 | A1win | they are snapshot actors, probably asynchronous |
| 13:58.07 | A1win | oh right except they can be clicked manually... mmh dunno |
| 13:58.21 | Ahli | but the unit receives a special order... scout position and if that unit exists, attack it, else do next order |
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| 14:06.37 | Merc | still working on my same old stuff Bounty |
| 14:06.45 | Merc | how's unity |
| 14:06.57 | ArcanePariah | I hope that was of use to you Merc, or at least clarified a few things :D |
| 14:07.20 | Merc | it expanded my view at least! |
| 14:07.27 | Merc | many more possibilities |
| 14:07.33 | Merc | = many more questions down the line ofc |
| 14:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Excellent :D |
| 14:07.58 | ArcanePariah | Good, always good that there is more questions, life would be a bore without them :P |
| 14:08.17 | ArcanePariah | I'll be back in a few hours, we can discuss other topics then :D |
| 14:08.30 | Merc | think I'll start writing down notes of what I wonder about when I mess around in the editor now |
| 14:08.46 | Merc | sure, thanks for the lecture |
| 14:09.01 | Merc | (or date) |
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| 15:16.02 | Zolden | huge armies http://i.snag.gy/xrpOs.jpg |
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| 16:02.15 | Zolden | zolden |
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| 16:03.27 | Zolden | TwoDie tried that new album I pm'd? |
| 16:04.21 | TwoDie | i think the "moment" or soemthing like that called is already in previous ones |
| 16:04.28 | TwoDie | havent checked songs itself |
| 16:04.40 | TwoDie | 6h ago just dl them and been outside |
| 16:04.54 | TwoDie | so will do so in next 96 hours |
| 16:06.33 | Zolden | monument? |
| 16:06.39 | Zolden | never heard |
| 16:20.25 | TwoDie | hmmm maybe mistaken with other \artist |
| 16:25.34 | Zolden | i also found a record of their concert in moscow in 2012, and some songs have different interpretation |
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| 16:51.21 | Rommper | how is the pig farm death model going TwoDie? |
| 16:57.26 | Zolden | like in ping floyd song |
| 16:57.33 | Zolden | pigs on the wings |
| 16:58.05 | Rommper | :) |
| 17:07.08 | TwoDie | needs animitions tweaking, some color changes.. and lacking all particle effects |
| 17:12.21 | Zolden | TwoDie add alot of pig blood |
| 17:12.32 | Zolden | there are nice blood textures for particles |
| 17:13.17 | TwoDie | y |
| 17:15.12 | amin | hello hell o |
| 17:16.13 | amin | zolden how long does it usually take to make a simple unit by 3d modelling? |
| 17:20.39 | Merc | pretty sure that depends how you define simple |
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| 17:23.34 | amin | yeah probably |
| 17:24.01 | amin | Merc, do you perhaps know how to make a ball bounce off a wall in sc2 editor? |
| 17:25.03 | Merc | not sure, but the first place I'd look to see how would be the physics part of art tools documentation |
| 17:25.15 | Merc | they got a bit about a bouncing ball there |
| 17:32.19 | Zolden | amin 1-3 days |
| 17:32.30 | Zolden | some simple can be made in a couple of hours |
| 17:33.03 | Zolden | Merc physics are not part of gameplay in art tools |
| 17:33.20 | Zolden | we don't have access to physics body position, it's purely actor |
| 17:50.46 | Ahli | new discovery of today: right clicking a marine on a structure in the fog executes a command that cannot be issued by data nor triggers. Only player input can order that. |
| 17:56.01 | Ahli | *enemy structure |
| 17:56.31 | Ahli | oh well, neutral/allied does the same weird stuff, I guess |
| 17:57.51 | Zolden | what kind of command is that? some special flag on command? |
| 17:59.10 | Rommper | well if you right click on an enemy structure in grey fog, your unit will attack |
| 17:59.17 | Rommper | just like he would seen it |
| 18:00.22 | Ahli | he will walk there until it is revealed that the unit isn't there anymore as it died or moved inbetween. |
| 18:00.35 | Ahli | if it is still there, it will attack |
| 18:01.06 | Ahli | you can't issue that order's behavior using triggers nor data |
| 18:20.08 | ArcanePariah | So I'm back, among the land of the virtually connected |
| 18:20.32 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, kill me now, this grind to lvl 10 for a char is crazy |
| 18:20.50 | Ahli | you only need to grind lvl 5 |
| 18:20.56 | Ahli | for them gold |
| 18:21.01 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but in this case, I do want the master skin |
| 18:21.06 | ArcanePariah | So lvl 10 it is |
| 18:21.12 | ArcanePariah | Otherwise yes |
| 18:21.24 | Ahli | sadly you can't afk-practice your way up anymore |
| 18:21.30 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 18:21.47 | ArcanePariah | But it is also my fav char and also near autowin char |
| 18:21.51 | Ahli | which one? |
| 18:21.52 | ArcanePariah | Arthas is just that good |
| 18:21.56 | Ahli | ah :D |
| 18:22.15 | ArcanePariah | I usually go pure tank and its hilarious how much teams waste trying to kill me |
| 18:22.17 | Ahli | yeah, he is great. tanky and deals damage |
| 18:22.58 | ArcanePariah | Tanky is an understatement. IMO, he is THE tank, simply because if you don't burst/cc him down from 100% to 0, you probably won't kill him at all |
| 18:24.49 | Ahli | http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/arthas#pAHn yup :D |
| 18:27.34 | ArcanePariah | http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/arthas#o0-r |
| 18:27.36 | ArcanePariah | More this |
| 18:29.34 | Ahli | superiority for what? |
| 18:29.58 | ArcanePariah | Ignore towers/core/keeps/mercs |
| 18:30.07 | ArcanePariah | Cna dive at will |
| 18:30.16 | ArcanePariah | Rush towers and use up all their ammo |
| 18:30.56 | Ahli | won't work that well competetively as you would focus on bursting down a single hero -> poison |
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| 18:39.17 | amin | goa |
| 18:39.29 | Goa | hi |
| 18:39.54 | amin | Goa_ do you happen to know how to make a ball bounce off a wall? |
| 18:40.41 | amin | im gona give 10$ to whoever can do this for me lol |
| 18:42.24 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, yes, but I probably will never play competitive. |
| 18:42.38 | TwoDie | zolden |
| 18:43.51 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 18:44.34 | Goa | amin if I remember correctly there is even a function that calculates the angle for such bounce, but I wont open editor |
| 18:45.21 | Goa | Rommper hat nem tuntesz!?:D |
| 18:45.55 | Rommper | most értem haza EgerbÅl szal nem nagyon :P |
| 18:49.25 | Goa | ugy latszik egesz sokan tuntetnek 1bkent |
| 18:53.03 | Rommper | jól teszik |
| 18:53.21 | Rommper | :) |
| 18:54.19 | Zolden | tuntetnek? |
| 18:54.29 | Rommper | protesting |
| 18:54.46 | Rommper | ppl are protesting against internet tax |
| 18:56.30 | ArcanePariah | I imagine. Having your internet bill get multiplied isn't something that would sit well with most |
| 18:56.52 | ArcanePariah | Especially since, IIRC, the tax is so high, it would be far more then the actual internet service |
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| 18:57.31 | Rommper | yep you see it right |
| 18:58.13 | ArcanePariah | Hell, even with my overpriced internet service, the tax would still practically double it. |
| 18:58.35 | ArcanePariah | And that, in a nutshell, is bullshit |
| 18:59.18 | Goa | ArcanePariah they were fast to figure out that they were retarded and said that they will limit it to 2.5 euros per month at max for the people. |
| 18:59.27 | ArcanePariah | LOOOL |
| 18:59.44 | Goa | But I guess everyone knows well, once its in the books they can increase it mush easily any time. |
| 19:00.20 | ArcanePariah | Of course. Sadly, we Americans have perfected that practice of slipping total bullshit in with must pass laws (budget, etc.) |
| 19:00.25 | Goa | I would pay about 4 times more than my internet bill without the limit |
| 19:00.37 | ArcanePariah | ... woow. Yeah, fuck that |
| 19:01.15 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, here in the US, that kind of tax would never fly. All the internet based businesses would explode. |
| 19:01.31 | ArcanePariah | Google/Amazon/Facebook would just go berserk. |
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| 19:02.21 | Goa | well yeah, US's plan to allow isp-s to selectively limit bandwidth is actually far worse than this tax. |
| 19:03.00 | ArcanePariah | True, our limits are stupid. At some point, we will get our heads screwed on straight and breakup most of the telecoms. |
| 19:03.24 | ArcanePariah | That or just do what the fuck we should have done ages ago, declare them a utility and tell them to go pound sand. |
| 19:03.27 | Goa | US need's to break up many US companies |
| 19:03.33 | Goa | starting with Monsanto |
| 19:03.38 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... |
| 19:03.45 | ArcanePariah | They definintely are assholes |
| 19:04.59 | ArcanePariah | But at least I can somewhat avoid them. ISP's, I don't have a choice. I either can pick from ATT (Sucky phone company) or Time Warner Cable (Sucky cable co). And my internet is probably no where near what you can get. |
| 19:05.16 | ArcanePariah | You would probably laugh at my internet speeds |
| 19:06.04 | ArcanePariah | At the moment, I can DL at 24 Mb (bits not byte, yeah...) and upload at 3 Mb |
| 19:06.25 | ArcanePariah | And for that priviliage, pay over 50 USD a month. |
| 19:06.28 | Goa | its similar here, the whole country is broken up between ISP-s and only in the capital city you can choose between more than 1 cable ISP. |
| 19:06.54 | Goa | 5mb down and 0.5 up here |
| 19:07.04 | ArcanePariah | Ouch |
| 19:07.07 | Goa | though the fuckers will soon increase it |
| 19:07.07 | ArcanePariah | :9 |
| 19:07.15 | ArcanePariah | What you getting next? |
| 19:07.23 | Goa | dont know |
| 19:08.23 | Goa | In the capital (which is half km away) I could probably get 50mb down for the same price |
| 19:08.57 | Goa | and probably even better in the central parts of capital |
| 19:12.47 | Repo | New map: Nexus Wars Pro - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/nexus-wars-pro/ |
| 19:15.15 | Goa | ArcanePariah bastard ISP, just searched it in the city where they already upped the net, they provide 30mb down for cheaper price than what I get 5mb for:) |
| 19:15.41 | ArcanePariah | damm |
| 19:26.11 | A1win | I pay 30e for about 1.1 MB down and ~100 kB up, these lines are horrible |
| 19:26.56 | A1win | just before I moved here the student apartment I was in got a 100 Mb / 30 Mb connection, I got to use it for like two months, paid 10e per month for it |
| 19:28.54 | A1win | and this small town I live in has some optical fiber project but obviously they only do it for the rich people :I |
| 19:29.35 | A1win | would have to pay like 1000e for installing it and this is just a rental apartment |
| 19:31.07 | A1win | the saddest part is that I can't stream games with good enough quality ;( |
| 19:31.10 | A1win | otherwise I can manage :P |
| 19:50.44 | ArcanePariah | So editor question of the day. One can define object groups in the terrain editor, for regions, points, unit, etc. Is there any way to access this data in triggers? |
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| 20:17.01 | amin | does anyone know how to make something bounce off of a region? |
| 20:17.49 | A1win | "something"? |
| 20:19.45 | amin | a unit |
| 20:20.02 | Merc | ArcanePariah: tried the ModelSwap thing you showed me, but didnt quite get it to work |
| 20:20.06 | amin | how do you use regions to detect collision |
| 20:20.36 | amin | not sure if "unit enters region" would be the way to go about this |
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| 20:21.14 | Merc | putting an event on the sword actor to make it swap once the upgrade is added shouuuld make that actor display the new model, no? |
| 20:23.30 | ArcanePariah | The event needs to be on the Unit actor (the footman) and not the Sword, because the footman Unit actor is what receives the Unit event |
| 20:23.34 | ArcanePariah | Upgrade event* |
| 20:25.46 | Merc | oh |
| 20:26.06 | Merc | Could I add the sword actor to the upgrade event? |
| 20:26.32 | ArcanePariah | No, because as we saw earlier, the upgrade event is only sent to units. |
| 20:26.51 | Merc | hell, the upgrade event already switches out icons, couldnt it switch model while it's at it? |
| 20:26.56 | Merc | or I guess thats too messy |
| 20:26.58 | ArcanePariah | So you need to get the upgrade event on the unit actor, and have it send a message to the Sword actor. |
| 20:27.10 | ArcanePariah | Messy, plus Icons are synchronous, actors are not. |
| 20:27.21 | Merc | synchronous? |
| 20:27.29 | ArcanePariah | Synchronous = All players see the same thing. Async = Players can see different things |
| 20:27.38 | Merc | oh |
| 20:27.54 | Merc | alright, gonna try making it on the unit actor itself then |
| 20:28.21 | ArcanePariah | Give it another try, if you are still having issues, we can do skype again and I can walk you through it. |
| 20:28.29 | Merc | assuming I need to fill the Target field instead of leaving it blank then |
| 20:28.32 | amin | does anyone know how to do collision detection on regions? |
| 20:28.37 | ArcanePariah | Correct. |
| 20:29.19 | ArcanePariah | amin, in triggers, there is an event called "Unit enters region" Using that you can detect when a unit enters a specific region (you can have multiple events, so you can use one trigger for all the collisions regions. |
| 20:29.40 | ArcanePariah | Once you detect that, you can order the triggering unit to move in a different direction |
| 20:32.36 | Merc | if I get this working I'm gonna have to look into that alias stuff |
| 20:32.43 | Merc | didnt quite catch how you made an alias |
| 20:37.25 | ArcanePariah | When you go to add an alias, instead of selecting one from any of the drop down menus, you go to the Custom option and type it in |
| 20:39.01 | Merc | alright, got the swords updating! |
| 20:39.31 | Merc | but new units being made are obviously not made with updated actors |
| 20:39.45 | Merc | I was hoping to circumvent that with events on the actors themselves |
| 20:40.25 | Merc | more tinkering! |
| 20:41.30 | ArcanePariah | What you can do is the following: Create a new event, using Actor Creation. Then have a term that checks for the upgrade being completed. If so, do the modal swap. |
| 20:41.44 | ArcanePariah | If you want a good example, look at how the protoss units are handled |
| 20:41.55 | ArcanePariah | And how they handle the model swap to their dark versions |
| 20:42.25 | ArcanePariah | Because they too must do the same, upgrade all present units to use the dark models, and have new units use the dark models |
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| 20:56.41 | Merc | as in the zealot and the dark zealot? |
| 20:58.05 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 20:58.14 | ArcanePariah | Or the protoss buildings |
| 20:59.39 | ArcanePariah | IF you look at the Zealot, you will seen event called Unit Birth followed by a term ValidateUnit No DarkProtoss, which is then followed by Model Swap DarkZealot |
| 21:03.56 | Merc | kinda figured I could use a validator to check if the player has a certain upgrade before doing a model attach |
| 21:04.40 | Merc | and then do one for each possible upgrade |
| 21:10.56 | ArcanePariah | That would work, but for the model swap based on upgrade, that can be done on the sword itself. |
| 21:11.23 | ArcanePariah | model swap based on whether the upgrade is done or not* |
| 21:12.24 | amin | is pathing bugged? |
| 21:12.35 | ArcanePariah | Define bugged? |
| 21:12.41 | amin | it doesnt work when i put it in |
| 21:13.04 | amin | let me try resetting my editor |
| 21:13.50 | amin | ye that fixed it |
| 21:14.09 | Merc | so I can set the sword actor to update its model with an event, but the sword has to be attached with an event through the footman actor |
| 21:15.13 | Merc | how do I make sure the sword actor model is updated before the footman updates the actor? |
| 21:19.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, the events are mutually exclusive. One happens when the upgrade happens (on the footman). The other happens when the sword is created and checks for the upgrade. So scenario 1) The footman is created, which creates the sword. Sword checks for upgrade. Sees it isn't there, does nothing. Scenario 2) Footman is already created. Upgrade completes, footman receives upgrade message, sends swap model message to sword. |
| 21:19.02 | ArcanePariah | Scenario 3) Footman is created, which creates Sword. Sword checks for upgrade, upgrade is done, runs swap model |
| 21:21.11 | Merc | alright so when the sword actor is created it will check for upgrades that the footman has |
| 21:21.20 | Merc | alright alright alright |
| 21:21.54 | ArcanePariah | Somewhat, it checks that a player requirement is fulfilled, which happens to check for the upgrade. |
| 21:22.05 | ArcanePariah | Slight pendantry, but details are everything |
| 21:22.50 | Merc | but do you really have to check if the unit has the upgrade, cant you check if the player has it |
| 21:22.58 | Merc | wouldnt that be less messy |
| 21:23.23 | ArcanePariah | I apologize for the ambiguity. You are indeed checking if the player has the upgrade. |
| 21:23.51 | ArcanePariah | But you use Validate Unit because that provides the correct player info to the validator (so it knows which player to check) |
| 21:24.25 | Merc | oh |
| 21:24.49 | Merc | like that, of course |
| 21:25.10 | Merc | I was just figuring it would check the player playing |
| 21:25.31 | ArcanePariah | I'll admit, the system in place is a bit clunky. Blizzard themself created dozens of dummy upgrades that then are linked to validators. The upgrades themselves don't do anything, but they are then used in a requirement, which a validator can then check. |
| 21:25.34 | Merc | and not hte opponent |
| 21:25.59 | Merc | yeah its a bit much to take in |
| 21:26.09 | Merc | cant even get the models to attach atm during unit birth |
| 21:26.17 | ArcanePariah | Nope, because maybe you want your opponent to be the one checked. For example, again, the Dark Protoss. You note in the campaign that their units get swapped out, but your own do not. |
| 21:26.33 | Merc | for some reason this wont work <On Terms="UnitBirth.HumanFootman" Send="AttachModel HumanFootmanSword HumanFootmanSword0"/> |
| 21:27.02 | Rommper | what kind of map do you work on? |
| 21:27.07 | ArcanePariah | I may have been mistaken earlier about specifying the unit. change the birth message to just be UnitBirth |
| 21:27.40 | ArcanePariah | Alternatively, there is an event called "Actor Creation" that occurs when the actor is created |
| 21:27.50 | Merc | want it to be a mod you can apply to maps eventually Rommper |
| 21:28.13 | Rommper | yeah but what is it about? |
| 21:28.25 | Merc | warcraft nonsense |
| 21:28.59 | ArcanePariah | I swear, the moment anyone thinks of a fantasy remotely RTS like game, it is "LETS DO WARCRAFT AGAIN!" :D |
| 21:29.06 | Merc | :D |
| 21:29.25 | ArcanePariah | Then again, Warcraft 3, at the time, was unique in doing the RTS + RPG elements. |
| 21:29.32 | Merc | I'm even worse, I want to mash up warcraft and starcraft |
| 21:29.39 | ArcanePariah | And because of that, made things like DotA even possible |
| 21:29.45 | Merc | remake starcraft with warcraft units |
| 21:29.54 | ArcanePariah | Because honestly, MOBA = RTS + RPG + FPS |
| 21:30.10 | ArcanePariah | Weird strange hybrid of the 3 |
| 21:30.20 | Merc | I'd go as far as calling it an unique genre |
| 21:30.46 | ArcanePariah | I'd agree, simply because it dispenses with what one would consider core aspects of the other 3 |
| 21:30.50 | A1win | it's a unique genre that's made of spare parts of other genres without caring what works the best |
| 21:31.11 | Merc | seems to work pretty well |
| 21:31.13 | ArcanePariah | Which explains perfectly why it is so popular. It isn't trying to be perfect, it is just good enough |
| 21:34.04 | Merc | cant get these buggers to attach on unit birth |
| 21:34.07 | Merc | goddamn |
| 21:34.15 | Merc | is AttachModel the right message? |
| 21:34.32 | ArcanePariah | It is, you may want to use the actor creation event instead |
| 21:35.01 | Merc | since the SOP stuff is in the sword actor, it should attach itself properly anyway?` |
| 21:36.14 | ArcanePariah | Yes, if you used the Attach sop and set the Host to be the unit actor (Host - Subject should be _Unit) |
| 21:36.59 | Merc | uhrr |
| 21:37.59 | Merc | Subject is HumanFootman |
| 21:38.07 | ArcanePariah | That also works |
| 21:38.08 | Merc | not sure what _Unit means |
| 21:38.13 | Merc | guess thats an alias? |
| 21:38.26 | Merc | still havent delved in that stuff yet |
| 21:38.43 | ArcanePariah | Yes, HumanFootman assumes you will never have any other unit use this model. By using _Unit, any unit will able to properly attach it. |
| 21:39.03 | Merc | ah |
| 21:39.11 | Merc | well it will do for now |
| 21:39.28 | Merc | lets see if it works this time |
| 21:39.32 | ArcanePariah | That is key/primary reason to use aliases, because you can not always know in advance just which actor may be used. |
| 21:40.44 | Merc | should make a generic unit as a parent doing all this and use those fancy ## tags |
| 21:42.51 | ArcanePariah | They do :D |
| 21:42.57 | ArcanePariah | GenericUnit |
| 21:43.06 | ArcanePariah | Search for it, you will see a few entries :D |
| 21:43.34 | ArcanePariah | If you notice, for any unit actor you created, the Alias field already has _Unit in it |
| 21:43.41 | Merc | I mean I could make ones that also handle visual weapon upgrades and so on like this |
| 21:43.50 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 21:44.02 | ArcanePariah | At some point we can cover how that is done |
| 21:44.03 | Merc | alright, got the swords to show up again |
| 21:44.11 | Merc | on birth |
| 21:44.15 | Merc | with create instead of model attach |
| 21:44.21 | Merc | dunno why model attach wouldnt work |
| 21:44.45 | Merc | guss it was just being moody |
| 21:55.54 | Merc | geez getting late |
| 21:56.06 | Merc | gonna have to fool aroud more tomorrow |
| 21:56.09 | Merc | thanks for the help ArcanePariah |
| 21:56.17 | Merc | and gn8m8s |
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