| 00:00.37 | ArcanePariah | Also, Storm is upgrading not just data, but scripting capability as well |
| 00:00.46 | ArcanePariah | The underlying language is a lot more powerful |
| 00:01.19 | ArcanePariah | I should tell Deaod if he is around, he would probably be intrigued if nothing else |
| 00:11.10 | Zolden | ArcanePariah i will be intrigued if you tell me that it has now fucking classes |
| 00:11.23 | Zolden | i'd be intrigued the most if you tell me it's now C# |
| 00:13.47 | Ahli | there is no way to get the current speed value of a unit, correct? |
| 00:14.40 | Ahli | unit property gives me the current max move speed :X |
| 00:17.17 | ArcanePariah | Movment speed gives wrong thing? |
| 00:18.14 | Zolden | yea, remember it |
| 00:18.57 | Zolden | so u got to do shitty checks/calcs like it's fucking gps navigation |
| 00:21.20 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, not sure about classes really, but you can pass and return funcrefs, arrayrefs and structrefs |
| 00:21.51 | ArcanePariah | For example, this code works in storm: https://pastee.org/tmhz2 |
| 00:23.19 | ArcanePariah | Which, when I attempted to run it in SC2, it did not work, complained about uninitialized funcref |
| 00:23.55 | ArcanePariah | Also, the organization of the storm files suggest the underlying language is more C++ now |
| 00:23.57 | Zolden | good absolutely, but still poor relatively |
| 00:24.00 | ArcanePariah | then C |
| 00:24.13 | ArcanePariah | Because they had header files and all. |
| 00:25.12 | ArcanePariah | Well, they might give us classes, who knows, they are obviously alteringt he engine considerably, because they had 2 large files for testing the basic stuff, like assigning variables and running loops |
| 00:25.20 | ArcanePariah | As if they were testing to make sure that stuff still worked |
| 00:25.26 | ArcanePariah | Looked like regression tests |
| 00:25.54 | Zolden | also need highlight and autocomplete |
| 00:26.12 | ArcanePariah | Err, you mean you want an IDE? |
| 00:26.19 | ArcanePariah | Not sure they ever going to do that |
| 00:26.27 | ArcanePariah | Since even they just use the GUI for doing triggers |
| 00:26.56 | ArcanePariah | (then again, they probably do that because the developer editor has a lot of other tools we don't have) |
| 00:27.17 | Zolden | there's developer editor? |
| 00:27.55 | ArcanePariah | Oh yes, if you dig into the strings, they is all sorts of strings related to stuff only they can do, like change catagories in the editor, add new ones, mass upload files, source control, etc. |
| 00:28.42 | ArcanePariah | The strings are conveniently in a file named "EDITOR_DEVONLY" or something to that effect |
| 00:29.01 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07terrain_improvements * c1298e7 (51 files in 6 directories): [new, +3 commits] |
| 00:29.02 | Repo | c1298e7: Excel mit näheren Angaben zu Balancing und Einheiten hinzugefügt. |
| 00:29.02 | Repo | 6e3c58e: Teständerung |
| 00:29.02 | Repo | de9524c: inital commit |
| 00:29.38 | Zolden | alright, let they have fun with their devonly shit while they can |
| 00:30.54 | ArcanePariah | Some of them might be useful to us, others would not be, like the source control, since that is probably dependent on whatever internal source control system they set up. |
| 00:31.13 | Zolden | for me a key would be useful the most |
| 00:31.22 | Zolden | i'd rape a couple of shitty asses |
| 00:31.54 | Zolden | interesting: how many new players your map has a day? |
| 00:32.39 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07master * 357bffa (10 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Terrain verändert |
| 00:32.47 | ArcanePariah | No idea tbh, it is a more social thing, it has a large learning curve plus its a coop game. A niche to be sure, I expect people to enjoy more casual games or more pvp games |
| 00:33.58 | Ahli | :o colo |
| 00:34.00 | Ahli | r |
| 00:35.21 | Zolden | ok, time to sleap |
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| 00:38.05 | IskatuMesk | Bounty |
| 00:38.12 | IskatuMesk | were you interested in that radioplay thiung |
| 00:38.13 | Bounty | ? |
| 00:38.21 | Bounty | radioplay? |
| 00:38.33 | IskatuMesk | http://www.campaigncreations.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6956 |
| 00:38.45 | IskatuMesk | what I was working on |
| 00:39.54 | Bounty | Not sure what you mean by "interested" |
| 00:40.08 | IskatuMesk | dunno if you wanted to hear it or not |
| 00:40.26 | IskatuMesk | because that's it |
| 00:40.27 | IskatuMesk | it's finished |
| 00:40.45 | IskatuMesk | and unless jademus shows up I probably won't be here much anymore, if at all |
| 00:41.09 | IskatuMesk | I think he just lost interest, so I'll probably be stopping |
| 00:41.27 | Bounty | Any idea where he went? |
| 00:41.31 | IskatuMesk | no clue |
| 00:41.39 | IskatuMesk | I think he moved on to unity |
| 00:41.41 | Vindicator | might be big news this blizzcon. if so, lots of ppl might be back out of nowhere |
| 00:42.03 | IskatuMesk | no one of any interest to me |
| 00:42.17 | Repo | mafarazzo-td-revamped-2014-editi (experimental): 03DNAofDeath 07master * b08e473 (18 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Terrain verändert |
| 00:43.25 | IskatuMesk | he was trying to get the AI to a playable state for me for my campaign. I have one possible thing I can try to do to band-aid it but without his knowledge of the involved systems it's basically urinating into the eye of an anteater |
| 00:43.39 | IskatuMesk | so, given that it's likely to fail, that'll be my last time touching mapping or modding |
| 00:44.10 | IskatuMesk | anyways, there's the radioplay, for anyone that might have been interested |
| 00:44.12 | IskatuMesk | good day |
| 00:46.57 | ArcanePariah | I imagine Jademus is a bit busy with finding work or working along with 3 kids... |
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| 03:00.32 | Wrath | Hey Ahli, are you here? |
| 03:01.57 | Ahli | yes |
| 03:02.05 | Ahli | I shouldn't, but I am |
| 03:02.10 | Wrath | :P |
| 03:02.17 | Wrath | Quick question regarding observer interfaces |
| 03:02.28 | Wrath | I know you can reference players one and two with Left and Right |
| 03:02.32 | Wrath | But what if you have 10 players? |
| 03:03.12 | Ahli | PlayerId val="1" should work since the most recent patch |
| 03:03.40 | Wrath | As an attribute in the layout? |
| 03:03.43 | Ahli | this is regarding images, correct? |
| 03:03.47 | Ahli | or text? |
| 03:03.59 | Wrath | I was thinking more along the lines of the upgrade panel |
| 03:04.21 | Ahli | that should be identical to images |
| 03:04.36 | Ahli | you can always check which fields are existing in an object in the ingame UI editor |
| 03:04.53 | Ahli | the tooltip that was added (after my complaint) shows the ID of that field |
| 03:05.02 | Wrath | Is there a simple way to test as an observer? |
| 03:05.44 | Wrath | I suppose it's probably possible to find it anyways |
| 03:05.47 | Wrath | So nevermind |
| 03:05.51 | Wrath | Awesome, thanks |
| 03:06.09 | Ahli | create a map without human slots and with computer slots. then make it the default mod test map int he editor settings |
| 03:06.26 | Wrath | Ah yeah that makes sense |
| 03:06.32 | Wrath | Thanks |
| 03:06.46 | Ahli | found out by rtschutter :D was awesome to learn that ^^ |
| 03:08.32 | Wrath | Well, thanks. Good night. ^_^ |
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| 03:42.43 | Vindicator | what would cause a unit or structure to be clickable far beyond it's size? i'm increasing the size of the selection circle for a nexus, for example, and then the clickable area for it grows like 5-10x as much as the change i made |
| 03:43.05 | Vindicator | the hit test geometry isn't unusually large either |
| 03:44.32 | Ahli | attached actors with hit test enabled? |
| 03:44.46 | Vindicator | (this map is heavily modified by someone else, so i'm asking what something is that someone could have potentially changed in it to cause this) |
| 03:45.43 | Vindicator | as far as hit test goes, it might have something custom, but i have a hatchery with identical hit test customizations that isn't doing the same thing |
| 04:39.43 | Ahli | how about using actorinfodisplay to debug that? |
| 04:40.10 | Vindicator | is that an actor cheat that goes in the chat? |
| 04:40.29 | Ahli | yes |
| 04:42.24 | Vindicator | http://i.imgur.com/2wHfQel.jpg you'd know what to look at better than me, that's for the gateway, it's doing it too |
| 04:43.09 | Vindicator | never seen that info before, good to know, messed with actor cheats a couple times but not much |
| 04:46.07 | Ahli | check the starcrafts_protoss_structure_damage actor and starcrafts_gateway_selection. those might have the hit test flag enabled |
| 04:46.19 | Vindicator | kk |
| 04:49.37 | Vindicator | yep the damage one did the trick, thanks! |
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| 10:37.39 | Rommper | greetings |
| 10:46.14 | Zolden | twoddings |
| 10:51.54 | Rommper | Zoldenings |
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| 13:10.00 | TwoDie | 1 |
| 13:15.35 | Zolden | two |
| 13:34.52 | Merc | drei |
| 13:42.23 | Zolden | IV |
| 13:43.20 | Ahli | 00000101 |
| 13:51.55 | Goa | 2Ë2+2 |
| 13:52.54 | Merc | http://marriedwithchildren.wikia.com/wiki/Seven |
| 13:55.06 | Zolden | & |
| 14:00.43 | Merc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOlF1eYS9Bo |
| 14:03.01 | Goa | Neon |
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| 15:04.11 | Rommper | how is the pig farm destroying going TwoDie :D |
| 15:05.38 | TwoDie | fucking retarded |
| 15:05.47 | TwoDie | playing dota with fucking retards for life |
| 15:05.53 | TwoDie | fuck life and retards in it |
| 15:06.00 | TwoDie | fuck piss nigga nigga |
| 15:06.09 | TwoDie | hittler never happened |
| 15:08.32 | Rommper | dota is good for one thing |
| 15:08.37 | Rommper | make people upset |
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| 16:30.06 | ArcanePariah | Yoink Boink, bumpity bump |
| 16:30.24 | ArcanePariah | So what crazy problems need solving today? |
| 16:30.35 | ArcanePariah | (Excluding cancer cure and world peace and the usual) |
| 16:31.30 | ArcanePariah | Funny enough, world peace, overpopulation and what not all have solutions already, just people don't like the answer usually :P |
| 16:34.08 | ArcanePariah | ... just looked at wiki section on Actors, no wonder people are confused, there isn't shit there. |
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| 16:56.28 | ArcanePariah | greybeard, Dustin|Home you guys got a moment? |
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| 17:11.25 | greybeard | yar |
| 17:13.02 | ArcanePariah | Go look at the wiki page on Create Persistents and tell me what you think |
| 17:14.16 | greybeard | linkeh |
| 17:14.47 | ArcanePariah | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/Data/Effects/Create_Persistent |
| 17:14.50 | ArcanePariah | Lazy pirates :D |
| 17:15.14 | ArcanePariah | I though pirating was hard work |
| 17:16.07 | Rommper | ArcanePariah i know a crazy problem still awaiting solving :P |
| 17:16.24 | ArcanePariah | yes Rommper I do too, it is called loading :D |
| 17:17.07 | ArcanePariah | Along with time travel and fixing up the wiki, and editing stuff, and lord knows what else. |
| 17:17.23 | ArcanePariah | Btw, did the unloading work as you wanted/expected? |
| 17:17.30 | Rommper | yep |
| 17:17.39 | ArcanePariah | Good |
| 17:18.03 | Rommper | just added one more validator to measure terrain height |
| 17:18.08 | Rommper | so it can't unload into water |
| 17:18.40 | greybeard | looks good |
| 17:19.59 | TwoDie | penis |
| 17:20.22 | ArcanePariah | TwoDie, how do we know a penis looks good? |
| 17:20.48 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, going to add stuff on more effects and Actors, might as well, since my brain = fried from maths |
| 17:21.09 | ArcanePariah | Might do some more obscure things, just because they look like they might be useful |
| 17:21.14 | ArcanePariah | Like Cancel Order |
| 17:21.43 | ArcanePariah | I couldn't by any chance convince anyone here to help? :D |
| 17:23.37 | greybeard | after blizzcon |
| 17:25.24 | ArcanePariah | Why after Blizzcon? :P |
| 17:25.43 | ArcanePariah | More time then? |
| 17:27.11 | greybeard | blizzcon could renew interest in sc2mapping |
| 17:28.24 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, but nothing wrong with doing stuff now, since in theory you should already be writing documentation as you code. |
| 17:28.41 | ArcanePariah | Good practice at written communication, which you WILL have to use in any tech field |
| 17:35.27 | Ahli | so, I made the BW carrier in data only |
| 17:36.02 | Ahli | 31 carriers with interceptors out moving across the map offscreen => 8 FPS improvement from what was there before |
| 17:37.03 | ArcanePariah | Question: What makes the BW carrier different then the current one? Only things I can think of is A) Selectable interceptors and B) Interceptors would only load on a stationary Carrier |
| 17:37.20 | ArcanePariah | Other then that, rest is stat changes |
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| 17:38.59 | Ahli | interceptors don't enter the carrier while it is moving |
| 17:39.15 | Ahli | interceptors follow the carrier closely while it is moving |
| 17:39.35 | Ahli | you can retarget interceptors that are outside the carrier from within leash range |
| 17:40.33 | ArcanePariah | Well, for the retarget part, isn't that just changing one field in the Arm magazine ability? |
| 17:41.34 | ArcanePariah | Unless the field I'm thinking of doesn't do what I think it does |
| 17:41.40 | Ahli | the current carrer loads all interceptors up even if the carrier is moving., it can only retarget within the release range and interceptors have to touch the carrier (without entering) before they fly to the new target |
| 17:42.32 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, is that related to Manage field in the Arm Magazine ability? By default it is set to Recall, would setting it to ignore get your results or did you have to take a different approach? |
| 17:43.18 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Knowledge Base / Store / Domestic Taxes - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/knowledge-base/store/domestic-taxes/ |
| 17:43.18 | Ahli | you mean retarget field? |
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| 17:44.11 | Ahli | hmm, I didn't know that manage dropdown, what does that do? |
| 17:45.00 | ArcanePariah | I don't know, that was my theory, but yes, I missed the retarget flag, I take it that gets the actual behavior you want. |
| 17:45.51 | ArcanePariah | Manage I think deals with how the parent unit treats the units after they are used. Destroy suggests that any ammo unit is sent on a suicide mission and if ever told to return to parent, suicide. |
| 17:46.05 | ArcanePariah | Ignore may be setting the ammo unit to be auto released |
| 17:46.16 | ArcanePariah | Instead of having to use an explicit release magazine effect |
| 17:46.27 | Ahli | oh, and returning interceptors can't be retargeted :S |
| 17:47.35 | ArcanePariah | I wonder, could you use a switch effect of sorts to achieve that anyhow? |
| 17:47.53 | ArcanePariah | Is there any validator to check if the magazine unit is inside its parent? |
| 17:48.25 | Ahli | I assume hidden would be enough to check that |
| 17:48.27 | ArcanePariah | Thinking having some kind of iterate magazine effect that would forcibly order the interceptors to turn around and attack |
| 17:48.37 | ArcanePariah | Even under a recall |
| 17:48.51 | TwoDie | jeeezzzzus |
| 17:49.24 | TwoDie | save us from dota 2 hate and noobs that surrounds us there that picks shit and do shit with it |
| 17:50.36 | Ahli | My retargeting consists out of 2 ability: one for global retargeting that retargets inteceptors or attack-moves the carrier to a point. The retargeting of the interceptors is an ability with the leash range as cast range. It iterates over the magazine and orders all interceptors to attack the target unit. Then the carrier is ordered to attack the target unit, so he goes within release range and releases the loaded interceptors as |
| 17:50.58 | ArcanePariah | Ok, sounds right |
| 17:51.44 | ArcanePariah | TwoDie, can't be helped, I've played DotA 2 for sooo many years. Because of how DotA 2 is balanced, along with the items, the game is very strategic which means premade team + team composition + lane setup dictate 70% of the game. |
| 17:52.30 | greybeard | the real question |
| 17:52.42 | greybeard | is why is my win rate on Garden of Terrror so low? |
| 17:52.46 | ArcanePariah | Also because of items + hard carries, DotA 2 snowballs the most. Fed hard carry in 15 minutes = gg (PL, Ember, Void, TB, Spectre). |
| 17:53.26 | ArcanePariah | I've been on both sides, it has been beyond stupid being fed 2 battle furies as Ember in 15 minutes. It turns into a slaughter fast. |
| 17:54.15 | ArcanePariah | greybeard: Simple, garden is a weird map, where no one knows wtf to do. It hard to tell when to get seeds, merc, push or grab terror. |
| 17:54.16 | Zolden | greybeard cause u noob? |
| 17:54.19 | Ahli | To make interceptors not enter the carrier when it moves, we disable their move ability via a behavior when it is very close to the parent carrier while the carrier is moving and the interceptor has no attack order. To make it look better, we slow the interceptors down near the carrier to a max speed of the carrier's max movement speed. |
| 17:55.13 | ArcanePariah | Ahh very nice, so mix of enumerate area validator and other fun validator tricks? |
| 17:55.15 | greybeard | I think the key might be mercs |
| 17:55.25 | Zolden | Ahli isn't magazine abil have a special mode to make the symbionts/companions/interceptors not enter, but have fun around their master? |
| 17:55.27 | Ahli | the slowing and the noEntry behaviors are added from the carrier to the inteceptor when it was build via effects. Then the validators use target as interceptor and caster as carrier |
| 17:55.30 | greybeard | cuz most of my wins have been as gaz, captain of merc capping |
| 17:55.43 | Ahli | zolden, that uses the offset and that is permanent |
| 17:55.49 | ArcanePariah | Zolden: You can set an ammo unit to be external |
| 17:56.23 | ArcanePariah | greybeard: That is probably it, Gaz rocks on Blackheart, and Cursed Hollow, but isn't as great on Mines or Garden |
| 17:56.33 | Ahli | the only "problem" is that the attack button doesn't glow the whole time when the carrier attacks stuff as it's the global retarget ability |
| 17:56.34 | ArcanePariah | And Gaz is a mixed bag on Shire |
| 17:56.40 | Zolden | is it real external or the difference is only hidden flag and visible model? |
| 17:56.47 | Ahli | really external |
| 17:56.50 | ArcanePariah | Real external |
| 17:56.55 | ArcanePariah | See Brood Lord |
| 17:57.00 | Ahli | you define an offset per ammo slot |
| 17:57.09 | Ahli | where the ammo unit has to move to |
| 17:57.18 | ArcanePariah | Those are the real broodlings, just set to untargetable and invincible |
| 17:57.36 | Zolden | can external ammo unit have the usual intercepter wonder-attack movement style? |
| 17:57.48 | Ahli | wonder attack? |
| 17:57.48 | ArcanePariah | Of course |
| 17:57.56 | Zolden | or wander |
| 17:58.01 | Zolden | they fly here and there |
| 17:58.03 | ArcanePariah | It just a different weapon type Zolden, you have legacy and strafe |
| 17:58.14 | ArcanePariah | Strafe permits the overfly attack pattern |
| 17:58.31 | Ahli | oh, you only tell it to use an angle... gg |
| 17:58.37 | Ahli | no offset :< |
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| 17:59.01 | Ahli | "Ahlino offset :<" |
| 17:59.22 | Ahli | so, no big formation behind the carrier or something |
| 17:59.39 | Ahli | but clustered units around it would be possible :X |
| 18:00.36 | ArcanePariah | Ahil, yes there is offset, Distance is in each ammo unit |
| 18:00.58 | Ahli | oh ok :D |
| 18:01.31 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/StarbowBeta%201.101%20ahli%20-%20dataOnlyCarrier.SC2Mod |
| 18:01.54 | Zolden | Ahli why are you trying to rape usual carrier behaving? |
| 18:02.09 | ArcanePariah | Because it is interesting :D |
| 18:02.18 | Ahli | try that carrier and then try the normal sc2 carrier |
| 18:02.29 | Ahli | this one is > sc2's one |
| 18:03.02 | ArcanePariah | Yes well, Sc1 Carrier was powerful in Sc1, it will still suck in SC2 (assuming you just dropped it straight in) |
| 18:03.15 | ArcanePariah | But since this is starbow, probably just as powerful as before |
| 18:04.22 | Ahli | well, the behavior is important... extending the range via keeping carriers moving, instant retargeting within leash range |
| 18:04.34 | ArcanePariah | For me personally, one of the biggest things that altered everything from Sc1 to sc2 was just the unit pathing, that alone buffed a bunch of units and directly nerfed others. |
| 18:04.49 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, well, in both cases, stimmed marines going to still obliterate them |
| 18:05.06 | Ahli | starbow does stuff to avoid clustering |
| 18:05.27 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, hence my earlier comment. Sc1 balance was highly dependent on crappy pathing to work |
| 18:05.46 | Ahli | crappy pathing seems more interesting than perfect blob pathing |
| 18:05.59 | ArcanePariah | Basically the balance revolved around the complete LACK of control players had as opposed to actual control |
| 18:06.25 | ArcanePariah | You basically couldn't control any number of dragoons above 6 or so, it just... lol |
| 18:06.27 | Ahli | they had control, if they spammed commands :D |
| 18:06.44 | ArcanePariah | even spamming had issues, some units specifically (like goons) were just THAT bad |
| 18:06.53 | Ahli | true :D |
| 18:06.57 | Ahli | but for movement |
| 18:07.08 | Ahli | if they attack, do not touch them for a second else they won't do sh*t ;D |
| 18:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Yep, I remember seeing goons attempt to fire (open their top) like 10 times before actually firing... loool |
| 18:07.52 | Ahli | target died... abort abort abort... ok which unit to fire instead... hmmm |
| 18:08.25 | ArcanePariah | I would argue SC1 wasn't even an rts, it was close to a RTT (Real Time Tactic) game. More akin to later DoW II games (Retribution) |
| 18:08.59 | ArcanePariah | I have to assume that SC1 games rarely reached supply cap, except maybe for zerg |
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| 18:09.36 | ArcanePariah | Hello ThunderLord |
| 18:09.43 | ThunderLord | Yo |
| 18:09.57 | Ahli | hello heroes alpha player :D |
| 18:10.04 | ArcanePariah | What brings you to our little corner of the digital universe :D |
| 18:10.05 | ThunderLord | :D |
| 18:10.17 | ThunderLord | Its been awhile since ive been here lol |
| 18:10.20 | ArcanePariah | Dammit, I wnat to friend you all and play, but region lock for now.... |
| 18:10.25 | ArcanePariah | Grr... |
| 18:10.33 | ThunderLord | I had a question about galaxy scripting kinda |
| 18:10.34 | Zolden | Ahli i can't connect to dropbox, but i think i know what you talking about, carriers must autoattack and move independently |
| 18:11.03 | ArcanePariah | ThunderLord: fire away |
| 18:11.21 | Ahli | zolden, they do that aleady in sc2 just fine |
| 18:11.24 | ArcanePariah | Oh, since you are on the topic, Storm is a bit improved over SC2 in scripting |
| 18:11.34 | ThunderLord | Basically, I have a version of a game done in GUI, that ive been working on, and I want to rollback to a earlier version, because I want to revert alot of the reworks to the game to what they were like... 4 months ago |
| 18:11.50 | ThunderLord | I have both map files |
| 18:11.51 | ThunderLord | problem is |
| 18:12.29 | ThunderLord | Between 4 months ago and now, i have done alot of bug fixing and UI improovements etc... that i dont want to rollback. So im working on a way to combine them without manually doing all the changes again |
| 18:12.30 | ThunderLord | So |
| 18:12.33 | ThunderLord | here is my question |
| 18:12.34 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yea, sc2 pathing is huge hange of gameplay, i remember sc1 stupid zerg attacsk, fuckers were so useless blocking each other on ramps |
| 18:13.17 | ArcanePariah | Ahh ThunderLord I have just the solution for you, it requires some manual work, but not much |
| 18:13.24 | ThunderLord | If I modify a galaxy script somehow (with like a text editor) and load it in to a map, and it is all formatted correctly etc... Will I be able to modify my triggers with the GUI trigger editor? |
| 18:13.35 | ArcanePariah | There is a better solution |
| 18:13.44 | ThunderLord | what would that be? |
| 18:14.28 | ArcanePariah | Create a copy of your map (which ever one is the more up to date with data and what not). |
| 18:14.37 | ArcanePariah | Delete all the triggers in this copy |
| 18:14.59 | ArcanePariah | Then in the copy, go into the over view manager |
| 18:15.42 | ArcanePariah | Create 2 sections, name them whatever you want (bot left corner area). For each section set the file to one of the other map versions |
| 18:16.07 | ArcanePariah | So say, one is Old and one is New |
| 18:16.54 | ArcanePariah | In the map file you link with a given section (say Old goes with the older one), you will want to open the older one and also create a section in that file called Old |
| 18:16.59 | ArcanePariah | They basically need to match |
| 18:17.34 | ThunderLord | hummm |
| 18:17.37 | ThunderLord | lemme check this out |
| 18:17.39 | ArcanePariah | Then in that maps triggers, assign all the triggers you want to keep the section of Old (under element properties) |
| 18:17.50 | ArcanePariah | Triggers/Variables/any element. |
| 18:18.01 | ArcanePariah | Do the same in the other file as well |
| 18:18.03 | ThunderLord | what if i like, modified a trigger |
| 18:18.14 | ThunderLord | so it has the same name, just differant contents |
| 18:18.22 | ThunderLord | And i dont remember what triggers i modified XD |
| 18:19.17 | ThunderLord | I guess i could run it through some type of source control code merger thing, and see where the merge conflicts arise, and then manually work with the overview manager from there |
| 18:19.22 | ArcanePariah | That may be tricky, you may have to reconcile those yourself. You could mark that trigger in both files. What you will do in the end is a merge, which will take the triggers marked in both files and import them into the copy |
| 18:19.37 | ArcanePariah | And this basically is the source control/merging of the sc2 editor |
| 18:19.52 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 18:20.21 | ArcanePariah | Spares you fiddinly with the galaxy script, and also lets you pick and choose which triggers to import |
| 18:20.26 | ThunderLord | I guess what i am trying to do is make a more robust one, by running galaxy script through a differant code merger |
| 18:20.41 | ArcanePariah | Which I imagine is far more convenient then trying to manually combine the 2 |
| 18:20.54 | ThunderLord | I just want to know if, once i run it through a code merger, will my trigger GUI remain in tact |
| 18:20.59 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:21.31 | ArcanePariah | How it works is that when you create stuff in GUI, it creates an XML representation that maps to the galaxy script. With this merge process, it imports/copies both |
| 18:22.07 | ArcanePariah | If you want a working example, you can look at either the TStory map in the campaign or my map NOTD 2 |
| 18:22.22 | ArcanePariah | just search for it on B.net it is unlocked |
| 18:22.58 | ArcanePariah | I use this all the time. |
| 18:23.07 | ArcanePariah | There is one caveat to this |
| 18:23.21 | ThunderLord | yeah im just wondering if like, If i create a galaxy script, if it will create GUI for me (the other way around). Because I dont see anything in galaxy script that determines like, what folder a trigger is in, or what is a function call or what is put in as actual galaxy script (in GUI) |
| 18:23.29 | ArcanePariah | The merging does NOT preserve the GUI organization (folders and order of trigges/variables/etc.) |
| 18:23.44 | ThunderLord | ahhh |
| 18:23.52 | ThunderLord | yeah thats what I was wondering |
| 18:23.53 | ThunderLord | danm |
| 18:23.59 | ArcanePariah | It does not, the GUI creates the XML first, then compiles the script based on that XML |
| 18:24.31 | ThunderLord | I guess reorganizing my triggers in to folders would be better than manually searching through the merge |
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| 18:24.46 | ArcanePariah | The XML has all the flags and what not related to the function (Native, Create thread, type of function, etc.). |
| 18:25.11 | ArcanePariah | When you publish a game locked, all it does is delete the XML file, that is why nothig shows up in the GUI when you open a locked map. |
| 18:25.34 | ArcanePariah | (Also why locked basically does nothing) |
| 18:25.48 | ArcanePariah | Oh and marks it so it doesn't show up in searches via the editor. |
| 18:26.06 | ThunderLord | probably my best bet is to run the script through a code merger, and instead of actually mergeing it just seeing where the merge conflicts are, then using the overview manager import to take the old/new version of each merge conflict depending on what one i decide I need to keep |
| 18:26.25 | ArcanePariah | Also how their code obsfucation option works, it takes the variable and function names and subtitues the XML identifiers for the strings |
| 18:26.39 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 18:26.56 | ArcanePariah | Merging is always a pita, even with normal source control |
| 18:27.06 | ThunderLord | yeah \ : |
| 18:27.32 | ArcanePariah | esp when some people are morons. read a story once where some fool had configure his code editor to turn all tabs into single spaces... Merging that kind of code gets fun.... |
| 18:27.58 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 18:28.34 | ArcanePariah | If someone did that where I worked ever, I would be highly tempted to hack his station and change it back. |
| 18:28.38 | ThunderLord | well luckily the majority of the code in my map was created via GUI, so it should all be formatted the same |
| 18:29.22 | ArcanePariah | It is, and yeah, shouldn't be a huge thing. The generated code from GUi isn't great in terms of optimization but it is readable and more importantly, is safe, it doesn't do anything stupid like forget to initialize variables and use them. |
| 18:30.37 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if Deaod is around |
| 18:31.59 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious if Blizzard makes any further modifications to the Galaxy scripting in Storm |
| 18:38.50 | ArcanePariah | Interseting, it appears Storm has support for diffs and merge of script files |
| 18:39.20 | ArcanePariah | Well... it appears you can select an external program of your choice to do it |
| 18:50.56 | ThunderLord | where are you getting that information? |
| 18:52.17 | ThunderLord | brb |
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| 19:11.38 | TwoDie | TURMURMRUMURMURMURMUMRU |
| 19:30.00 | ArcanePariah | Well, after doing some poking around, there is more going on during map loading then meets the eye |
| 19:30.39 | ArcanePariah | Also, possible explanation of why certain maps take longer to load then others |
| 19:31.31 | ArcanePariah | Apparently you can conditionally preload stuff |
| 20:12.40 | Merc | quickie: |
| 20:12.51 | Merc | I managed to attach a model to another model |
| 20:12.52 | Zolden | adding campaign data increases loading time badly |
| 20:13.05 | Zolden | Merc penis to zealot? |
| 20:13.11 | Merc | but I have no idea how to rotate the attached model so it looks good |
| 20:13.16 | Merc | Zolden two penises |
| 20:13.23 | Zolden | ew, gay |
| 20:14.26 | Merc | they're not touching |
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| 20:15.50 | Merc | seriously though, how do I rotate the attached model without having to rotate the attachment point in 3dsmax? |
| 20:16.01 | Merc | there's gotta be some way |
| 20:17.28 | Vindicator | i'm pretty sure you'd accomplish that with site ops but i'm not sure if they'd go in the events of the actor you're attaching to or if it's the site ops field of the actor you're attaching onto the other thing |
| 20:17.54 | Merc | hmh |
| 20:18.35 | Merc | only seems to be "enable/disable" on the attached actor at least |
| 20:19.42 | Merc | guess I'll just do it the easy way and rotate the attachment point |
| 20:19.49 | Merc | would have been handy to know though |
| 20:22.58 | Zolden | Merc finding the correct site operation is the best way |
| 20:23.43 | Zolden | I remember using Explicit rotation kind of sop |
| 20:24.15 | Merc | on the attached actor? |
| 20:24.33 | Zolden | yea |
| 20:24.59 | Zolden | usually you set SOpAttachPenis sop |
| 20:25.23 | Zolden | just add the correctly configured explicit rotation sop after this |
| 20:25.27 | Merc | yeah I set SOpAttachPenisRight |
| 20:25.44 | Zolden | there you define top and forward vectors, cause it defines the quaternion, and quaternion is nothing but rotation |
| 20:26.02 | Zolden | it was waht I used to use in before HotS era |
| 20:26.06 | Merc | add another Operator you mean? |
| 20:26.16 | Zolden | but I heard there more rotation related sops been added |
| 20:26.41 | Zolden | yess add 2 site ops, the attach to points one, and rotate one |
| 20:26.51 | Merc | http://i.imgur.com/oLnk4c8.png |
| 20:26.54 | Zolden | instead of only attach to point one |
| 20:27.30 | Merc | one of those? |
| 20:27.33 | Zolden | create new actor |
| 20:27.48 | Zolden | find explicit rotation |
| 20:28.04 | Zolden | create it |
| 20:28.27 | Merc | cant find anything called explicit rotation |
| 20:29.01 | Zolden | well, i'm lazy to run the editor, it should be somwehre |
| 20:29.15 | Zolden | there are actor types, actor sub types, right |
| 20:29.15 | Merc | did you see my screenshot |
| 20:29.34 | Merc | or do I need to make another actor for the rotation of my existing actor? |
| 20:29.38 | Merc | that sounds odd |
| 20:30.07 | Zolden | just create new actor, there's no chance you have already created actor that will rotate your model by the exact angle |
| 20:30.51 | Merc | so I need to make another actor just for the rotation of my current model actor |
| 20:31.32 | Zolden | yea |
| 20:31.39 | Merc | jesus |
| 20:31.51 | Zolden | we create alot of actors for any little ipece of shit |
| 20:31.55 | Zolden | it's the editor baby |
| 20:32.10 | Merc | what a fucking piece of shit |
| 20:34.32 | Merc | seems easier to just rotate the attachment point |
| 20:35.35 | Zolden | create actor -> 4 clicks, set it up -> 3 clicks, add it to model actor -> 3 clicks |
| 20:35.40 | Zolden | 10 clicks, 10 seconds |
| 20:35.43 | Zolden | fast |
| 20:35.56 | Zolden | max will load more |
| 20:36.12 | Zolden | also easy to modify |
| 20:36.44 | Zolden | it's just learning shit takes more time, then it's as fast as recognizing a hitler by its moustache shape |
| 20:37.00 | Merc | mmmh |
| 22:23.30 | Ahli | damned, I loaded the patch from SEA |
| 22:25.33 | Ahli | jade, SEA patch changes, find out, go ! |
| 22:32.08 | Vindicator | Merc: Actors are what allow things to exist in the 3d environment, so if you're looking at something or hearing something in the game world, it's got an actor. actor messages tell actors how to manipulate whatever they are letting exist in the 3d world |
| 22:32.37 | Vindicator | if you take a sound for example, you can just play stereo sounds without an actor, but if u want to to exist in the 3d world, the actor is what defines where the sound exists |
| 22:33.01 | Vindicator | just explaining this to give you a general idea of what actors are in case it's confusing or weird to think about them |
| 22:34.10 | Vindicator | an attachment point defines the loaction and facing of something you create on it, but the actor inherits this position and facing and learning how to change it opens the door to further customization vs if you just change |
| 22:34.55 | Vindicator | an attachment point's facing, you still won't know how to change your attached actor's position later on if you want to, maybe not for what you're working on now, but for something else down the road |
| 23:15.52 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2ju18p/bw_carrier_micro_extension_mod_released/ |
| 23:19.17 | Zolden | what "untagged" mean? |
| 23:21.02 | Zolden | Ahli waht made you think bliz may want to add it to lotv? |
| 23:22.20 | Ahli | it's cool and community generates peer pressure |
| 23:22.45 | Ahli | I don't want the current carrier afte playing with my one... =/ |
| 23:34.27 | Zolden | :) |
