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| 03:11.32 | greybeard | heroes actor data appears to be written in xml |
| 03:11.42 | greybeard | '(as opposed to GUI) |
| 03:12.43 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 03:14.19 | greybeard | lots of fun little dev notes |
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| 04:19.16 | greybeard | TerrainData: StormEgyptWorld, StormSnowWorld, StormAshenvale, StormArathi |
| 04:21.02 | greybeard | I have a hunch blizzcon will reveal seasonal map textures |
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| 05:32.46 | Bounty | peow |
| 05:33.09 | TwoDie | he bam bam me bam bam |
| 05:37.47 | Dustin|Home | pew pew pew |
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| 06:14.59 | JademusSreg | ZÃòÃóÃôÃõÃöøºÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÆÆ¡Æ Æ£Æ¢ÇÇǫǪÇǬǿǾÈÈÈÈȫȪÈȬȯȮȱȰɵͦοÏÏÏ´ÎÏÑ ÑºÑ»Ñ¼Ñ½Ñ¾P |
| 06:16.10 | TwoDie | much butts |
| 06:16.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah, there are some great double-round chars. |
| 06:17.43 | TwoDie | as well as these nuts |
| 06:26.09 | JademusSreg | ÄᾧƵ |
| 06:56.36 | Goa | dam, my brain just work like million times better than at afternoon (realized what my code was failing to do last day.)) |
| 06:56.55 | Goa | at morning* |
| 06:57.49 | TwoDie | yo brain, keep up the good work! |
| 06:58.57 | Goa | its pointless to keep up the good work, as the work is just watching cats anyway.... |
| 07:00.09 | TwoDie | :D |
| 07:01.21 | TwoDie | its like cats cats cats |
| 07:01.39 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLoHifu6aM |
| 07:08.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 07:46.38 | TwoDie | sooo http://snag.gy/GCqFS.jpg |
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| 07:51.32 | Rommper | hey |
| 07:52.48 | TwoDie | (10:46:38) TwoDie: sooo http://snag.gy/GCqFS.jpg |
| 07:54.22 | Rommper | cool :D |
| 07:59.15 | Goa | my crazy random 2d model generator: http://pbrd.co/1suukmV |
| 08:00.15 | TwoDie | it really does generated somekind of mess |
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| 08:01.00 | Goa | the green lines are unity's mess, my elegant triangles are the faint blue lines |
| 08:04.37 | TwoDie | yo soooooooo bead meaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 08:05.30 | Goa | after all, its just cat generator which does very abstract cats or fails in itD |
| 08:06.51 | Rommper | at least |
| 08:07.00 | Rommper | finaly we can have cats doesn't look like cats |
| 08:07.12 | Rommper | i mean cats look like cats is boring |
| 08:07.40 | Rommper | but Goa's cat generator finaly solve this problem |
| 08:08.01 | Goa | agree |
| 08:08.18 | Goa | cats 2.0 |
| 08:11.11 | TwoDie | rommper so i guess model is finished or you still need pig in there? |
| 08:11.53 | Rommper | hmm |
| 08:12.14 | Rommper | pigs actualy would give it wibe if you can add one or two :) |
| 08:15.56 | TwoDie | rommper finished: http://snag.gy/3JxV5.jpg |
| 08:16.16 | Rommper | xD |
| 08:16.30 | Rommper | too much minecraft? |
| 08:16.32 | TwoDie | quality work |
| 08:18.39 | TwoDie | sports time |
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| 08:24.22 | NoorulIslaam | heinrich5991 |
| 08:24.39 | NoorulIslaam | Console Spieler sind PC Spielern genetisch unterlegen. |
| 08:30.39 | Rommper | nacht der untoten |
| 09:23.36 | TwoDie | whole hour!!! |
| 09:23.57 | TwoDie | not spent on watching pussy |
| 09:24.16 | TwoDie | pussy, pussy cats |
| 09:24.31 | JademusSreg | Ah, was curious for a moment. |
| 09:24.39 | TwoDie | :d |
| 09:26.00 | Rommper | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKO-ebWS4Ko |
| 09:43.30 | TwoDie | rommper how about this solution? http://snag.gy/6dnDG.jpg |
| 09:44.25 | Rommper | http://rs1img.memecdn.com/photoshop-lvl-over-9000_o_1143031.jpg |
| 09:45.48 | TwoDie | rommper what photoshop? |
| 09:45.48 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/yUCNa.jpg |
| 09:46.45 | Rommper | impressive TwoDie impressive :) |
| 09:46.46 | TwoDie | everything rendered LIVE!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:47.06 | TwoDie | ok im sending it to you |
| 09:47.13 | TwoDie | zolden http://snag.gy/6dnDG.jpg |
| 09:50.21 | Zolden | oh yeah! piggy! go piggy! |
| 09:50.38 | Zolden | oink everything! |
| 09:51.36 | Zolden | TwoDie could you upvote my little thread? http://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/ |
| 09:52.35 | TwoDie | idk my password in reeditsDAsd :/ |
| 09:52.49 | TwoDie | LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLazt |
| 09:52.50 | TwoDie | y\ |
| 09:52.51 | TwoDie | eyer |
| 09:52.53 | TwoDie | yeqrqa |
| 09:52.59 | Zolden | "twod123" |
| 09:53.32 | TwoDie | twodsc2daedgeam |
| 09:53.49 | Zolden | wow, both fockewulf and dogmai posted in that blizzcon thread http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/71195-lot-v-probably-revealed-at-blizzcon/?post=29 |
| 09:54.37 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 09:54.40 | JademusSreg | Anything worth reading? |
| 09:57.49 | TwoDie | zol done |
| 09:57.59 | TwoDie | give my time back to be laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy |
| 10:02.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg nope, nothing you'd not expect |
| 10:03.12 | TwoDie | daed gaem |
| 10:03.31 | Zolden | JademusSreg so, I investigated that "tron light bikes game" situation on google lay, and guess what I found out |
| 10:04.19 | Rommper | that thread is a joke... |
| 10:04.38 | Zolden | gives twod's time back by removing dota installation and setting parenting control to moderate his computer activity |
| 10:05.09 | TwoDie | ;<<<<<<<<< |
| 10:05.33 | TwoDie | life is so cruell |
| 10:06.27 | Zolden | awakes TwoDie from that terrifying "live being lazy" nightmare |
| 10:06.44 | Goa | Zolden my cat generator: http://pbrd.co/1suukmV :D |
| 10:07.51 | Zolden | JademusSreg gameplay didn't change at all from 80s. I tried different search keywords, clicked on "similar games" references, but badly failed finding at least one game, that would be at least as fun as you designed for sc2. All shitty right angles, gapless tails. Shitty 3d graphics - all they have. |
| 10:08.33 | Zolden | Goa nice cat, but mesh look a bit fucked |
| 10:09.43 | Goa | the green lines are the polygoncollider and I dont know why does draw that crossing lines |
| 10:10.11 | Goa | as I only set the sides of object for it |
| 10:15.19 | TwoDie | pieage |
| 10:15.20 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/1GROU.jpg |
| 10:16.44 | Zolden | GO PIGGY!!!! |
| 10:27.42 | Zolden | TwoDie why not simply take wow pig? |
| 10:27.59 | TwoDie | no exporter and shiet |
| 10:28.05 | TwoDie | will use texture from wow |
| 10:28.15 | TwoDie | since have all the texture files in hdd |
| 10:28.43 | TwoDie | those files takes about 20gb |
| 10:28.54 | TwoDie | + 2 versions of wow client |
| 10:29.00 | TwoDie | and its gone |
| 10:29.04 | JademusSreg | Zol, that's hilarious. |
| 10:29.05 | TwoDie | space is gone to shiet |
| 10:30.47 | JademusSreg | HOW TO MMAKE GAEM: MAK ETHE SAM EGAEM |
| 10:31.06 | TwoDie | seems about right |
| 10:31.18 | JademusSreg | That, gentlemen, is how the monies are mmade. |
| 10:31.36 | TwoDie | with a twist.. new menu options and more options |
| 10:31.47 | TwoDie | writing that down already |
| 10:32.29 | JademusSreg | Based on what Zol said about litebike clones, apparently even that is unnecessary. |
| 10:33.34 | Zolden | JademusSreg usually "mkae the same game" operation adds design components, so after some remakes, game evolves good. I find it strange, that nothing evolves about those bikes during 30 years |
| 10:33.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:50.59 | JademusSreg | What hypothesis might one resolve from this information? |
| 10:56.36 | Zolden | JademusSreg first I thought that gameplay elements are copyrighted |
| 10:57.04 | Zolden | take your fucking hands away from bike with a wall-tail! |
| 10:58.39 | Zolden | but maybe people just don't think much out of the box... though, adding gaps and allowing smooth turning doesn't seem too out of boxish |
| 11:02.42 | Zolden | JademusSreg waht abotu that temporal acceleration ability? was it in the original? |
| 11:04.07 | JademusSreg | Well, since I didn't play the original and hadn't even seen one of the movies until a few years ago, I won't assert with certainty, but so far as I am aware, no, the boost was my (rather obvious) addition. |
| 11:06.03 | Zolden | yea, obvious, and a great source of fun, cause allows those hard rapid fights |
| 11:21.19 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/JaonT.jpg |
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| 11:23.26 | Zolden | TwoDie will you create high poly? |
| 11:23.32 | Zolden | to generate normal? |
| 11:24.11 | TwoDie | no? |
| 11:24.20 | TwoDie | will just use that ndo thing |
| 11:24.54 | Zolden | to create normal from texture? |
| 11:24.57 | TwoDie | y |
| 11:25.04 | Zolden | ok, let's see how it wil look |
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| 11:44.26 | TwoDie | zolden http://snag.gy/UK04Y.jpg |
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| 11:59.09 | Zolden | TwoDie nice, but real pigs have bigger ears |
| 12:10.28 | Ahli | is there a way to hide the [Level #] in an ability name? |
| 12:10.43 | Ahli | or a way to alter the range of an ability per unit instance? |
| 12:11.07 | Ahli | (other than leveling up/down to alter the range value) |
| 12:12.12 | TwoDie | zolden http://snag.gy/qRsGP.jpg |
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| 12:44.22 | Ahli | "Alert_TerranCantBuildTooFarFromWater" seems like Terran had to build near water in a sc2 alpha build... |
| 12:45.09 | TwoDie | its more like having in wc3 water layer |
| 12:45.18 | TwoDie | and you would build sea ports |
| 12:56.59 | Zolden | TwoDie great, but those ears |
| 12:57.38 | TwoDie | wut? :s |
| 12:57.44 | TwoDie | they are bigger now a bit |
| 12:58.11 | A1win | google "pig" and you'll see what he means ;p |
| 12:58.41 | Zolden | TwoDie http://nutritie-animale.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Faina-de-Peste-Nutritie-Animale-porc1.jpg |
| 12:59.12 | Zolden | TwoDie http://www.vancouverhumanesociety.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/Piglet.jpg |
| 12:59.17 | Zolden | they are rather like elephants |
| 12:59.34 | Zolden | http://www.vetpoultry.com/~pwiindus/content/vetpoultry/iStock_000016909995Medium.jpg |
| 13:01.59 | TwoDie | bambies |
| 13:05.31 | Goa | Zolden why do you post so much selfies about you here?:) |
| 13:06.40 | Zolden | :) nice one |
| 13:06.49 | TwoDie | tst |
| 13:06.50 | TwoDie | tist |
| 13:06.53 | TwoDie | tits |
| 13:07.21 | TwoDie | helicopters: http://snag.gy/1hsQm.jpg |
| 13:09.54 | Zolden | is pig animated? |
| 13:10.59 | TwoDie | hell no |
| 13:11.02 | TwoDie | no bones either |
| 13:11.12 | TwoDie | will make some simple animations tho |
| 13:11.20 | TwoDie | one will eat always |
| 13:11.35 | TwoDie | other one may have rare animation of walking.. |
| 13:14.58 | Goa | one should have a face that looks like a Blizzard employee's face.... :) |
| 13:16.57 | TwoDie | maybe alternative version |
| 13:17.07 | TwoDie | of a building |
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| 13:22.14 | Zolden | :) |
| 13:27.52 | TwoDie | crash |
| 13:28.00 | TwoDie | time to play games |
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| 14:07.43 | Vindicator | is anyone in here a modeler? i need to know how i would go about putting a 2d sprite sheet into an animating model in 3ds max preferably. basically a flat plane to exist in a game |
| 14:08.14 | Vindicator | trying to help carbot with his game |
| 14:10.15 | Zolden | hmm |
| 14:10.39 | Zolden | wasnt there the main modeller who started it with carbot? |
| 14:10.48 | Vindicator | do you know who that is? |
| 14:11.17 | Zolden | i dont remember, he was here, i already explained everything to him |
| 14:11.21 | Merc | I'd just ask the guy who already did the existing models for carbot, that way you're sure it's done the same way |
| 14:11.32 | Vindicator | he isn't responding is the problem |
| 14:11.41 | Vindicator | to carbot |
| 14:11.43 | Zolden | lol, realy? |
| 14:11.47 | Vindicator | ya |
| 14:11.52 | Vindicator | 2 ppl actually |
| 14:11.52 | Zolden | he fucked carbot? |
| 14:11.58 | Vindicator | 2ppl ya lol |
| 14:12.25 | Zolden | and how come you do it for him now? |
| 14:13.22 | Vindicator | cause i want to help him with his game |
| 14:13.33 | Vindicator | so you know how to do it? |
| 14:14.11 | Zolden | yea |
| 14:14.34 | Zolden | werent there cash involved that carbot accumulated to support that mod creation? Is it like those 2 guys took the money and disappeared? |
| 14:14.52 | Vindicator | no, i don't think there's $$ in it at this point |
| 14:14.56 | Vindicator | maybe later |
| 14:15.47 | Zolden | but I saw that he was doing the cash generating campaing when it all started |
| 14:16.09 | Zolden | so, you have art tools? |
| 14:16.12 | Vindicator | yes |
| 14:16.33 | Zolden | can I see an example of the texture carbot created, where sprites do stuff? |
| 14:16.45 | Ahli | afaIk, Bommes did something in that, but I haven't seen him for ages |
| 14:16.51 | Vindicator | it's a sprite sheet |
| 14:16.56 | Zolden | Ahli yea, Boomes it is |
| 14:17.05 | Zolden | and yea, he disappeared |
| 14:17.12 | Zolden | Vindicator show me, i'm curious |
| 14:17.37 | Vindicator | i can screenshare on skype if that works |
| 14:17.49 | Zolden | btw, there was a link to the gameplay of that mod |
| 14:18.33 | Zolden | skype doesnt work anymore on my pc, it forced update of version that requires sp3+ |
| 14:18.56 | Zolden | just copy-paste the texture to snag.gy |
| 14:19.05 | Zolden | also its alpha layer |
| 14:19.21 | Vindicator | well it's just a spritesheet, different sizes for every unit. carbot didn't make them actually, he just made individual frames and i guess boomes made the sheet with a program |
| 14:19.24 | Zolden | what stage the project at? |
| 14:19.50 | Zolden | so, u have those sheets for all units? |
| 14:20.07 | Vindicator | pretty much the stage that it's at in the video carbot posted on the 24th of sep |
| 14:20.19 | Zolden | may i see that link pls? |
| 14:20.29 | Zolden | i didnt watch |
| 14:22.07 | Vindicator | tbh i'm not comfortable putting his work on the net without permission, i don't see any need to do it other than to satisfy ur curiousity |
| 14:22.50 | Vindicator | i can ask for permission if you really want though, but if there's not a good reason, he'll ask why and i'll be like " well someone wants to see a sprite sheet i guess" |
| 14:23.41 | Vindicator | not trying to be a douche but trying to be respectful to him |
| 14:24.00 | Zolden | u answer: someone who explained to bommes how to do your sprites for the mode at the first place, and who wants to see how they made to explain how to visualize them again |
| 14:24.30 | Zolden | i need to know how to organize animations |
| 14:25.10 | Vindicator | they are all different, like i said, carbot didn't make the sprite sheets, some are horizontal 1x10 images, and others are 5x5 images (so that example would be 25) |
| 14:25.19 | Vindicator | it's just a grid of images like u see in sc2 |
| 14:25.21 | Vindicator | for some stuff |
| 14:26.11 | Zolden | you don't even know what information I need to extract from those sheets, for you it's just "grid of images" |
| 14:26.36 | Zolden | if you want answer, paste the example sheet, i need it to give you the answer |
| 14:27.01 | Vindicator | can we just use an existing sc2 image that is in the same format? |
| 14:27.56 | Zolden | yes, we can, then it doesn't work, cause you didn't share the image |
| 14:29.27 | Vindicator | i just need to know how to accomplish animating a sprite sheet on a plane, i can figure out dimensions based on different sizes of grids, i'll need to do that anyway |
| 14:29.39 | Vindicator | because they are all sorts of different sizes |
| 14:30.11 | Zolden | still not enough information |
| 14:30.20 | Zolden | show me marine sheet |
| 14:30.40 | Zolden | if you want constructive answer, be constructive, not paranoid |
| 14:32.39 | Zolden | ideally, i need a copy of that texture to experiment and find optimal way it works, cause there are many variants |
| 14:37.54 | Vindicator | if i need help with his specifically i'll ask him for permission, he'll be back on monday, in the meantime if you could just show me how to do it with ui_streaming_streamingicon.dds i think i'll be good to go |
| 14:41.49 | Vindicator | and here's the vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAcUr85pvA&list=UU1uug_uZrVmylfPVBLBvitQ |
| 14:42.20 | Zolden | Vindicator just create a plane of 1 polygon |
| 14:43.32 | Zolden | not sure how was it made b4, u can set it full billboard, or some axes billboard, or just vertical or horizontal |
| 14:43.51 | Zolden | some could look better, same may look closer to the bommes variant |
| 14:44.33 | Zolden | then create sc2 material, set mas; and blend mod parameters |
| 14:44.44 | Zolden | *mask |
| 14:44.59 | Zolden | put your texture to diffuse and alpha |
| 14:45.07 | Zolden | in alpha set A channel |
| 14:45.37 | Zolden | then set UV multipliers and offsets, then animate offsets for each animation separately |
| 14:45.40 | Zolden | that's it |
| 14:46.04 | Vindicator | where are the UV multipliers / offsets at? |
| 14:46.12 | Zolden | in the material channels |
| 14:46.29 | Zolden | material -> diffuse channel, for example |
| 14:46.44 | Zolden | there you set texture and do uv stuff |
| 14:47.04 | Vindicator | ok, i'll give it a shot and let you know how it goes, thank you |
| 14:49.35 | Vindicator | were u recommending billboard so it faces the camera or is there more to it than that? |
| 14:50.11 | Zolden | yes, billboard is facing camera behavior |
| 14:50.37 | Zolden | or it can face camera only around z axis, for example |
| 14:55.29 | Zolden | kerrigan in hots: http://i.snag.gy/j7YQ3.jpg |
| 15:00.17 | Vindicator | i see blend and mod as seperate choices, not "blend mod" together, i'm assuming it's just blend ya? |
| 15:02.13 | Zolden | yea |
| 15:02.46 | Zolden | maybe it would work better if you use opacue + alpha cut thing |
| 15:02.54 | Zolden | *opaque |
| 15:03.05 | Zolden | again, matter of experiment |
| 15:03.27 | Vindicator | k |
| 15:13.24 | A1win | mmh wonder how I detect in unity if user touched UI or world space |
| 15:14.50 | A1win | and how to make a button the shape of a circle instead of rectangle |
| 15:17.27 | Zolden | A1win u talking about 4.6? |
| 15:17.40 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:17.49 | Zolden | never used it |
| 15:18.04 | Zolden | but if you asked about old ui, i'd answer |
| 15:18.47 | A1win | https://github.com/senritsu/unitility/blob/master/scripts/RaycastMask.cs |
| 15:18.52 | A1win | need to script it apparently |
| 15:33.36 | TwoDie | batman |
| 15:33.38 | TwoDie | yeah |
| 15:41.32 | Ahli | hmmm, how can I tell a range indicator actor to recreate itself? :< |
| 15:45.23 | TwoDie | send a letter to him |
| 15:45.33 | TwoDie | maybe he will reply on doing so |
| 15:50.53 | Ahli | finds actor message "range update"... |
| 15:53.36 | Ahli | it works if delayed with a timer :D |
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| 15:53.54 | Ahli | so, now I can make range indicators that update properly |
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| 16:04.48 | Zolden | Ahli what do you mean update properly? |
| 16:04.59 | Zolden | like those when you place a turret and it shows range? |
| 16:11.30 | Ahli | if you want to place psi-storm and enter the targeting mode, you can see a range indicator |
| 16:11.44 | Ahli | giving you an idea how far you can cast that ability |
| 16:11.50 | Zolden | at cursor? or at caster? |
| 16:11.57 | Zolden | oh, at caster |
| 16:12.00 | Ahli | a circle around the caster |
| 16:12.07 | Zolden | so, it doesn't move with walking caster? |
| 16:12.31 | Ahli | it moves, the problem was that starbow mod has an optical flare ability to blind units |
| 16:12.44 | Ahli | blind units have a decreased ability range and sight range |
| 16:13.14 | Zolden | so, it must be updated if caster got that negative buff while targeting? |
| 16:13.16 | Ahli | and I was looking for a way to update the ability range changes depending on the buff's enabling/disabling |
| 16:13.28 | Ahli | or the buff ends while targeting, yes |
| 16:13.38 | Ahli | and I found an actor message that does that |
| 16:13.38 | Zolden | and widen again if the buff is gone |
| 16:14.28 | Ahli | http://hastebin.com/osurexibew.xml this actor macro does the job |
| 16:15.04 | Ahli | and the range changes are done via leveling the ability to level 2 (which has a shorter range) |
| 16:15.29 | Ahli | and the level string in the ability name is removed in the text editor |
| 16:15.42 | Ahli | so nobody will notice that then |
| 16:17.28 | Zolden | so, that update doesn't work? |
| 16:20.58 | Ahli | the update works |
| 16:21.34 | Ahli | in a perfect world, blizzard would have added an event with ability level changes -> range update for all range indicators :D |
| 16:21.49 | Ahli | in their generic base actors |
| 16:22.56 | Ahli | but in general it's a weird concept that other units alter a unit's ability level ^^ |
| 16:23.11 | Ahli | while the ability is in targeting mode |
| 16:23.53 | Zolden | it's a normal situation for me |
| 16:24.22 | Zolden | if those mechanics named "levels", doesn't mean they will obly be used for levels outside of targeting mode |
| 16:24.40 | Zolden | could a buff change range of an abil? |
| 16:25.26 | Ahli | no |
| 16:25.39 | Ahli | not directly |
| 16:29.15 | Zolden | Goa A1win Ahli ArcanePariah Dustin|Home TwoDie Merc upvote pls my new thread |
| 16:29.17 | Zolden | http://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/comments/2j1bcg/dev_hallo_spaceboy_space_shoot_em_up_well/ |
| 16:31.35 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/9cdk1.jpg |
| 16:32.11 | Zolden | can you meak pigs have sex to each other? |
| 16:32.58 | TwoDie | yes but then the map that will use the model will be taken down.. with some good chances |
| 16:33.13 | TwoDie | everything is possible |
| 16:33.18 | TwoDie | but since im lazy |
| 16:33.28 | Zolden | but "they're just playing!" |
| 16:33.35 | TwoDie | <.< |
| 16:34.01 | Zolden | there's no special ppl who check every map's every asset and take maps down if anything isn't right |
| 16:34.05 | Zolden | no one gives a shit |
| 16:34.46 | Zolden | i have a cactus penis in homm map |
| 16:34.59 | ArcanePariah | Dustin|Home, any progress on that wonderful script? |
| 16:35.22 | TwoDie | thats exactly the problem zolden.. noone gives a shiet is there is such animation |
| 16:35.28 | ArcanePariah | Also, should we measure progress by how many drinks it takes to complete? |
| 16:36.58 | Zolden | ArcanePariah or how many weed inhales |
| 16:37.18 | ArcanePariah | We already decided that Dustin|Home was going to take the drinking route |
| 16:38.42 | Zolden | what is he, fifteen? to drink and code? |
| 16:39.00 | ArcanePariah | Well, the code he is rewriting is quite drink inducing |
| 16:39.17 | ArcanePariah | Made me think about drinking, it was so bad. |
| 16:39.21 | Zolden | why is he doing such a pity thing as rewriting code? |
| 16:40.04 | ArcanePariah | He volunteered and also, it is an issue that needed to be resolved. Arguably people should spend more time rewriting code then writing new code. |
| 16:40.43 | ArcanePariah | Writing code and expecting it to work right the first time is just as naive as expecting one to write a paper and commit no logic, spelling or grammar mistakes in the first draft. |
| 16:41.32 | Zolden | well, perfect coding style is a fudzi one should climb into all their life |
| 16:41.52 | Zolden | also english language ;/ |
| 16:41.54 | ArcanePariah | Well, there is no perfect coding style. |
| 16:42.51 | Zolden | well, there are criteria like high readability and easy modifiability |
| 16:43.31 | Zolden | and good organization of classes makes life so easy |
| 16:43.35 | ArcanePariah | Correct, but even code that is written to such standards inevitably must be rewritten, simply because the environment the code is running in will inevitably change |
| 16:43.41 | Zolden | like eating chocolate after eating shit |
| 16:44.10 | ArcanePariah | For a simple example, code can be written perfectly fine, but be single threaded. It may then require itself to be rewritten for a multithreaded environment. |
| 16:44.15 | Zolden | oh, so it's not rewriting shitty code into good code, it's rewriting obsolete code |
| 16:44.24 | ArcanePariah | What's the difference? |
| 16:44.34 | Zolden | then it's strange waht you said that one should rewrite code |
| 16:45.00 | ArcanePariah | Code is subject to decay, just like anything else. Perfectly secure code of yesterday may be vulnerable today. |
| 16:45.13 | Zolden | for example shitty code on modern C# using modern API to fucing badass code on modern C# using modern API |
| 16:46.28 | ArcanePariah | That is also the case, and also must be done. I speak of both situations. One is of optimization (better readability, better performance, better modularity), and the other is of maintenence (better security, modern standards, modern interfaces, modern threats) |
| 16:47.05 | ArcanePariah | And both are sadly neglected, leading often to code being rewritten from scratch, with similar bugs often being reimplemented. |
| 16:48.18 | Zolden | well, if (program) interfaces the code deal with change, it's not a question to rewrite |
| 16:48.52 | ArcanePariah | In a a perfect world, properly designed and implemented, such things should never happen. |
| 16:49.44 | ArcanePariah | The interface should not change, the purpose should be to abstract away any underlying changes. Now there may be deprecation and new interfaces created, in which case, you are totally correct, a rewrite is almost a necessity |
| 16:50.31 | Zolden | oh yea, but still there's a question, if rewriting old code is better than writing new one if the meta purpose is gaining the skills of perfect designing and implementation |
| 16:51.38 | Zolden | oh, I have a mapmaking question btw |
| 16:52.06 | Zolden | is it possible to make a footprint be inside different layer, to not block other footprints? |
| 16:52.43 | Zolden | as in unity we define layers for colliders and set who can collide with who |
| 17:21.45 | ArcanePariah | In the Unit, that is already set. You have collision flags, theres about 16 |
| 17:22.21 | ArcanePariah | Also, there is the Overlap index, where if units share the same (0,1,2) they can not occupy the same space |
| 17:22.30 | ArcanePariah | But if they are different, they can occupy the same space |
| 17:23.30 | ArcanePariah | And actually, for collision, there is 32 flags. |
| 17:23.46 | ArcanePariah | 16 for ground, 16 for air |
| 17:24.02 | ArcanePariah | Air uses one radii to determine collision, Ground uses a different one |
| 17:24.32 | ArcanePariah | Air will auto seperate, ground will simply not overlap |
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| 17:54.26 | Rommper | hello |
| 17:54.43 | Rommper | how is the pig business going? :) |
| 17:58.36 | Zolden | ArcanePariah is this about footprints? |
| 17:58.53 | Zolden | I want buildings to share space with footprints |
| 17:59.21 | Zolden | Rommper ugly earless pigs raping eath other in the mouthes, that's how |
| 18:00.01 | Zolden | Rommper upvote pls http://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/comments/2j1bcg/dev_hallo_spaceboy_space_shoot_em_up_well/ |
| 18:00.07 | Rommper | thats how i like it |
| 18:00.21 | Rommper | i don't have reddit |
| 18:01.26 | Zolden | that's one of the reasons you fail with marketing your game when it's ready |
| 18:02.19 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, footprints can have 3 layers, one for pathing, one for placement and one for placement check. So you could have buildings be set to overlap in the placement layer (the buildings will apply whatever flags to where they are placed), and still be set to block pathing |
| 18:02.44 | ArcanePariah | Placement applies the flags to the cells of the footprint, Placement check looks for those flags on the cells in order to place |
| 18:03.19 | ArcanePariah | So I could have a building apply No Build on its footprint, and have another building have No Build be in its placement check, forcing it to be built on top of the first building |
| 18:04.43 | ArcanePariah | And those can be different areas (The Building could require the center be placed on a No Build flagged cell, and then itself apply No Build in a much large area) |
| 18:06.23 | ArcanePariah | This is how creep tumors work |
| 18:06.41 | Zolden | so, can I make a building to require nothing at all to be built at? |
| 18:06.46 | ArcanePariah | They require creep cells, but only a 1x1 |
| 18:06.59 | ArcanePariah | And then expand a footprint of creepcells over like a 8x8 area |
| 18:07.47 | Zolden | for now it's being blocked by other buildings and map edge |
| 18:08.00 | Zolden | i wish those blocks to not block |
| 18:09.24 | Zolden | but it's complicated already, those building require "vespene gayser" kind of stuff to be built on, but have parts outside of the vespene footprint |
| 18:09.37 | Zolden | and that part must have no footprint requirements |
| 18:10.34 | Zolden | also, is it possible map edge to not block building? example: in the right side you can see a building blocked by map edge https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MP0GKf1jWjY/VDqkq2ZIRlI/AAAAAAAAADY/zf7f-zCPXp0/s1600/Untitled.png |
| 18:10.46 | ArcanePariah | All you need to do for building is for the placement check, have one set of flags (you can have up to 4 sets for each footprint), that has all the "Required" flags disabled, and have another set to do the pathing |
| 18:11.23 | Zolden | ok, lemme try |
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| 18:23.22 | Zolden | ArcanePariah so I change those purple dudes to gray dudes and it won't check anything on placement? |
| 18:23.36 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/wUiEk.jpg |
| 18:24.10 | ArcanePariah | I believe so. However, you will want to define the sets |
| 18:24.31 | ArcanePariah | Each set corresponds to the flags to be used for that layer, there are 4 sets |
| 18:24.52 | ArcanePariah | So You can use set 1 flags for Placement, then set 2 for placement check and then a 3rd set for pathing |
| 18:27.57 | Zolden | alright, runned test map, 15 minutes of stun computer |
| 18:37.28 | TwoDie | make 6x6 placement |
| 18:39.09 | Zolden | pig pigxpig pigment |
| 18:40.04 | Rommper | http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18663/Cutscene_Editor_001.jpg |
| 18:40.07 | Rommper | piggies! |
| 18:42.48 | Zolden | ArcanePariah it worked, but placement visualization is fucked now |
| 18:48.51 | Zolden | or it's rather normal, no check - no green tiles |
| 19:00.13 | Zolden | Goa fun: you linked that marketing vid, I watched and made a post on reddit, now downloads are doubled for the puzzle game |
| 19:00.38 | Goa | nice:D |
| 19:02.10 | Zolden | though, downloads are always like 10-20% higher on sundays |
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| 19:06.07 | Zolden | Goa did they publish your game? |
| 19:06.41 | Goa | nope |
| 19:06.53 | Goa | I am not even sure if they will do it next week |
| 19:07.20 | Zolden | anyway, u have time to watch your video, prepare marketing campaing, there's alot of stuff to do |
| 19:07.30 | Zolden | but that must be done |
| 19:08.17 | Goa | dont know |
| 19:08.46 | Goa | I will probably only do marketing with my next gam |
| 19:08.47 | Goa | e |
| 19:09.24 | Zolden | you can try at least, it doesn't cost money, but bring some experience |
| 19:09.31 | Goa | I might be making this game too big |
| 19:09.48 | Zolden | filesize wise? |
| 19:10.59 | Goa | nope |
| 19:11.03 | Goa | programming wise |
| 19:13.01 | Goa | well level designing would be huge burden, but I think I might found a good way to make the whole thing procedural random with nice theme... |
| 19:13.54 | Zolden | yea, go proc gen, otherwise it's too much work |
| 19:15.22 | Goa | did you watch coherence? |
| 19:17.45 | Zolden | not yet, i'm reading these days. But don't worry, I always watch movies you recommended |
| 19:35.45 | Ahli | how can I make a unit basically disabled for 2 seconds while it is using its weapon? atm, you can just always abort attacks and run away with move orders :S |
| 19:37.24 | Zolden | like those channelled abils like ghost aiming nuke? |
| 19:38.09 | Ahli | like an ability, yes, but it's a weapon |
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| 19:42.33 | Zolden | Ahli check if attack abil or weapon itself can be channeled |
| 19:43.39 | Zolden | or let weapon effect apply something to caster to disable him for a sec, as a workaround |
| 19:53.46 | Rommper | make a set effect which contains the damage effect + apply behaviour and apply a hidden 2 sec buff which disable move |
| 19:54.04 | Rommper | and use it as impact effect of the weapon |
| 19:54.29 | Rommper | apply behav set for caster |
| 19:58.21 | Ahli | can't persistent effects channel the unit? |
| 19:58.42 | Ahli | there is channeling and channeled, but both seem to nothing like that |
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| 20:01.47 | Ahli | chanelling just aborts the persistent effect for no reason |
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| 20:03.09 | greybeard | ArcanePariah |
| 20:03.25 | Ahli | channeled aborts it when you move the unit away |
| 20:07.35 | Ahli | what does a behavior's modify movement flag do? |
| 20:08.40 | Rommper | i think you need ability clases disabled: movement |
| 20:08.59 | Ahli | I still want the unit gliding, deaccelerating |
| 20:09.53 | Ahli | I kind of need a "only mind yourself for 2 seconds and then do what you were told" effect :D |
| 20:10.12 | Ahli | disabling kills queued movement commands and commands given during that |
| 20:11.57 | Ahli | "orders uninterruptible" flag seems to work |
| 20:12.34 | greybeard | "and then do what you were told" is the tricky part |
| 20:12.40 | greybeard | I think |
| 20:12.53 | greybeard | heroes has all sorts of useful flags for that... |
| 20:13.08 | greybeard | anyway, one silly solution is to slow down it's timescale :D |
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| 20:30.30 | Zolden | Vindicator so, how is it? |
| 20:30.33 | Zolden | worked? |
| 20:31.27 | Zolden | Ahli chanelling aborts if you move the guy, cause abil requires supporing it til it's done, but there's also a flag that makes channelling unit uncommandable until the abil is sone |
| 20:34.35 | Ahli | yeah, that flag just doesn't work with weapons at all, lol |
| 20:35.18 | Ahli | "channeled" that is, channeling is only working if you let your unit do it which is fine for that, but forcing the unit to do it is /facepalm |
| 20:35.40 | Ahli | not sure if it is a bug or intended to not work with weapons |
| 20:39.59 | Zolden | there are other annoying differences between weapons and abils, like target sorting |
| 22:05.45 | greybeard | HOKAY |
| 22:06.07 | greybeard | we are officially 12.5% done with resistor functions + subfunctions |
| 22:06.20 | greybeard | Slam is completed with all edge cases |
| 22:14.01 | Zolden | what are you even talking about? |
| 22:17.45 | greybeard | the game Im working on |
| 22:18.02 | greybeard | I'm 1/8th done with ability/effect data |
| 22:18.25 | greybeard | and now have a proper workflow set up, so it should go faster from now on |
| 22:31.47 | Zolden | what genre of the game? |
| 22:33.53 | greybeard | hero brawler |
| 22:34.28 | Ahli | hmmm morph ability.cancel does not seem to work :< |
| 22:38.27 | greybeard | silly ahli |
| 22:38.42 | Ahli | why? |
| 22:39.01 | greybeard | morph abilities were created by the devil to seduce your maps into perdition |
| 22:40.22 | Ahli | ah, now I understand, finish just activates when it completes or when it is canceled.... but it's bad that the available messages are cancel, finish and start... |
| 22:48.35 | Ahli | it works with morphfrom terms... seems like cancelling a morph is starting and finishing another morph |
