IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20141011

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06:52.56TwoDieusa usa usa!!
06:55.59Goawow, this was really good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1jktjDhxU
07:01.11GoaTwoDie America fuck yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8
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07:47.58TwoDiethat good one Goa is in same scenario
07:48.03TwoDieits SOOOOOOO TTRUEEEE
07:48.11Goa:)
07:48.13TwoDieif you use logic behind it
07:48.20TwoDiethe mechanic of the unit
07:48.57TwoDiesadly we are entertained by such low though thing..
07:49.11TwoDieits like watching cats on utube
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07:50.24TwoDieslavery - FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
07:50.31Goalife is like watching cat on youtube
07:51.31TwoDieit is.. fucking pointless and boring if you into boring stuff
08:01.25*** join/#sc2mapster Rommper (bc241652@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.22.82)
08:01.44RommperNO!
08:11.41GoaYES!
08:14.19RommperBATTLEBROTHAARS
08:15.49Rommperfuh de érzem a tegnapi borok ízét xD
08:20.43TwoDiehelll nooooo
08:27.45Goa:)
08:59.13Rommperanyway i got an arcade map idea
08:59.32Rommperwhich doesn't even need custom assets!
09:04.40TwoDieyeah, there are always ideas to make, but better question is it worth spending time on it while having other projects that wants love
09:07.39Rommperactualy this idea can be done quiet easily and fast because about 75% is already in game and the remaining 25% is easy to do. But of course main proj is what important
09:08.34TwoDieso idea may seem really isnt impactful on the arcade scene much
09:08.39Rommperanyway i thought to do a map in the style of the Harvest of Screams
09:09.19Rommper3v3 both side have one terran one zerg one protoss
09:09.28*** join/#sc2mapster Goa_ (~Goa_@91.83.20.197.pool.invitel.hu)
09:10.02Rommperand the three race would react diferently to the storm so they have to help each other in order to win
09:12.50TwoDiewell the execution and complexity is huge factor for success and being replayable
09:12.51Rommperprotoss would go dormant state with shield like in the campaign, zerg unit would slow down and Terran units would slowly loosing hp as they are freeze to death and their mechanics malfunction in cold, but terrans could build heat generators which provide shelter on a small area for you and allies
09:13.24TwoDieso basicly terran is most important
09:13.51Rommperterran most important in map control
09:14.17Rommperzerg in assault in cold
09:14.38Rommperand i'm thinking about what could be provided for protoss
09:16.29Rommperso far they are the weakest
09:16.36Rommperin the plan
09:17.27TwoDieyeah
09:17.31TwoDiea lot of plot holes
09:17.47TwoDieand default sc2 melee gameplay is kinda dull
09:18.42*** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21)
09:19.13Zoldentwodderberg
09:19.33Rommperwhy would melee be dull
09:19.46Rommperpeople play melee a lot
09:20.10Rommperit gives for those people a bit more chalenge
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09:51.09TwoDiedoesnt mean people in arcade play a lot of custom melee maps
10:27.54TwoDiehorse crazy http://youtu.be/Smprb0J621c
10:35.22TwoDieSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
10:35.26TwoDieFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING
10:35.29TwoDieBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING
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10:47.34ZoldenTwoDie go forest!
10:47.58TwoDie:d
10:48.11TwoDiesport it is
10:50.04ZoldenTwoDie go unity!
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15:52.10*** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~Eric@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net)
16:02.39Rommperhi
16:04.04RepoNew map: Swamp City II - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/swamp-city-ii/
16:07.01Zoldenhigh
16:07.31ZoldenRommper how long are you already working on your map, and how long u will until it's ready for release?
16:11.05Rommperits not just one map actualy
16:11.48Rommperso far: warcraft 1 gameplay is finished, its up to the arts and the remaining three map of the campaign atm
16:13.35Rommperwarcraft 2 melee gameplay need a few more thing namely: ship transport  + making the submarines and dragon/gryph riders closer to the original then ofc again its up to arts
16:14.39Rommperwarcraft 3 needs many things yet but working on it steadily
16:18.32Rommpertbh i would happy with a few more member working on it sometimes...
16:22.25Zoldendo you have screenshots from the wc1 one?
16:24.47Rommpernot up to date ones :S
16:25.29Rommpercool
16:25.45Rommperjust got Lothar voice acting atm :D
16:26.01Rommperlets listen
16:28.00Rommpersounds awesome :D
16:30.44Rommperi will do some recent pic Zolden
16:31.06Rommperthou i thinking about doing some form of short video
16:32.17Zoldeni hope you recreate the unique wc1 atmosphere
16:32.22Zoldenit was so good, god
16:32.31Zoldenas a kid I loved that game so much
16:32.50Zoldenthos fucks gathering gold
16:32.54Zoldenand lakes of dirt
16:33.03Zoldenand wolves rided by orcs
16:33.29Zoldeni believe in you Rommper, make it look authentic!
16:33.37Rommperdid you see it Zolden: http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18663/icones_by_hai_ookami-d5l755d.jpg
16:34.05Zoldengood, now what about the terrain
16:36.16Rommperhmm i don't have pics of the swamp terrains made by HolyArk online so can't show that
16:36.38Rommperhttp://www.moddb.com/mods/chronicles-of-azeroth/images/human-campaign-terrain-1-72#imagebox
16:37.00Rommperhere is the gallery look through
16:37.29Rommperthere are so many outdated stuff thou
16:37.38Rommperbetween the pics
16:40.56Zoldenok, show me when it's dated
16:43.04Dustin|Homehola
16:44.34Dustin|HomeI like those icons Rommper
16:45.24RommperOrly can make nice stuffs, its sad that he can progress with the stuffs so slow atm :(
16:53.58ZoldenRommper u mean twod now?
16:54.41RommperOrly is our original artist, he made these icons and bases of those models that TwoDie finished too
16:55.10Zoldencan you force him to do faster?
16:55.21Rommpersadly not
16:55.35Rommperhe is slow because he has no free times atm
16:55.58Rommperworking for a tcg company and have to spawn art after art....
16:56.17ArcanePariahOh Dustin|Home, I have a question, one that I once asked JademusSreg and maybe he is around. What is the difference between doing Run Triggers and setting up Generic Events?
16:56.46ZoldenRommper what's tcg?
16:56.52ArcanePariahRommper, I know the feeling, someone will always be a bottleneck (in my casse, its me)
16:56.57ArcanePariahTCG = Trading Card Game
16:56.59RommperTrading Cart Game
16:57.06ArcanePariahMagic, Yugioh, Pokemon
16:57.19RommperCard*
16:57.30ArcanePariahMagic being the oldest. is Orly by any chance working for Wizards of the Coast?
16:58.30Rommperidk
16:58.47Rommperhe is Brasilian and work on one from Brasil
16:59.06ArcanePariahHmm, well, if he is, wouldn't surprise me that he has to crank out artwork like no tomorrow, they pump out 100+ cards every 2-3 months, though it has changed a bit.
16:59.11ArcanePariahAhh
16:59.25ArcanePariahYeah, TCG's require an insane amount of art
16:59.45ArcanePariahAnd some cards can become quite valuable because of just the art alone
16:59.53Rommperhttp://b-cesar.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=/
16:59.59ArcanePariahSome MTG cards are hundreds of dollars because of unique special art
17:00.05ArcanePariahespcially foil ones
17:00.06Rommperthis is his DA
17:00.23ArcanePariahNice
17:00.41ArcanePariahDA is such an awesome thing, lets artist really get exposure
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17:18.05ZoldenTwoDie where you appeared from?
17:18.52TwoDiebeen outside
17:19.01TwoDieseen some crazy horse stuff
17:19.32TwoDiezolden what you been doing?
17:19.32TwoDie11
17:19.39Zoldeni biked in forest
17:19.44Zoldenvery beautiful
17:19.51Zoldenlike some elven world
17:20.40Zoldenwithout navigation lost in 5 minutes
17:23.15TwoDie<.<
17:24.03TwoDietho its quite fun to be lost and find the way out, and analize on which angles you made wrong decisions
17:24.11Zoldenyea
17:24.26Zoldenforest is nonorthogonal environment
17:26.43ZoldenTwoDie now what? some modelling?
17:26.55TwoDie:D
17:27.00TwoDieso tempting to go doting
17:28.02Zolden:)
17:28.18Zoldenso tempting to play mnm
17:28.42Rommperso tempting to 3dsmax? :D
17:29.34TwoDiegood for you rommper, a successful artist rommper rising!@!
17:30.25Rommperhaha one day maybe
18:09.25Rommperwtf
18:09.46Rommperwhy does my persistent effect wanna work when channeled flag set
18:09.55Rommperi don't want it to be channeled...
18:10.21TwoDiethen dont set channeled
18:11.52Rommperbut then it half work...
18:11.57Rommperand idk why
18:22.30Rommperah maybe found
18:27.08Rommperyep
18:27.14Rommperproblem solved :D
18:29.16Zoldennp
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18:43.04TwoDiehorse crazy http://youtu.be/-KFOFOHiqxM
18:50.10Zolden:)))
18:50.11Zoldenbitches
18:50.37TwoDiewhere?
18:51.40Zoldenin your video
19:09.18*** join/#sc2mapster Dustin|Work (~Dustin_He@216.240.30.25)
19:11.51TwoDieahh shit.. working lazy.. already lost some progress cause not saving..
19:12.19TwoDiefrom laziness
19:16.03Zolden;/
19:19.20GoaZolden http://unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/modules/beginner/marketing-and-pr/zero-budget-marketing
19:21.31Zoldenyea, it's in my tabs already
19:26.28Rommperomg love TaylorMause, Made Mountain King hero from Hots :D
19:27.06Zoldenyea, he's badass
19:28.42Rommperwah
19:28.47Rommpereven with Portrait!
19:30.08TwoDieeven with hats!
19:45.00TwoDieright
19:45.07TwoDieso you have fun girls
20:14.30ArcanePariahSo Dustin|Work, how goes that sadomasochistic script rewrite?
20:16.13ZoldenGoa u watched it? i'm watching it now
20:16.18Zoldeni like her voice
20:16.23GoaI didnt
20:16.34Zoldenit's a pleasure to do
20:16.37GoaI mean I didnt watch it
20:18.51ZoldenA1win maybe you want to watchi it? when u done with the game, u'll have to market it
20:19.12Zoldeni fucking failed two games already, and don't want it happen again
20:19.13Dustin|WorkIt's going Arcane, I've got most of the index page converted to PDO
20:19.20Dustin|WorkThen it's going through the rest of the crap
20:19.34ArcanePariahSo right now it is modernized crap? :D
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20:21.04ArcanePariahI seriously wonder how much money would be saved in terms of time not wasted or server not needing purchasing if simple refactors were done more often.
20:22.12greybeardI must study the Heroes trigger libs
20:22.17greybeardand become one with the nexus
20:22.56ArcanePariahNot going to lie, quite a bit of the trigger libs are either workarounds or temporary hacks for stuff that didn't work in data.
20:23.20greybeardthats what it looks like
20:23.27greybeard*also study all of their data
20:23.44ArcanePariahSo really, the trigger libs are something they will hopefully remove quite a bit once they get it working in data.
20:25.23Dustin|WorkRight :D
20:26.34greybeardwill they though?
20:27.27ArcanePariahLater on they might. The newest SC2 patches still alter stuff about the campaigns and what not
20:30.23A1winhrm, in Unity, UI size changes based on resolution, unlike in SC2... can't figure out how to make a panel's width always be the same in relation to its height, while its height changes based on screen size
20:30.48A1winif I anchor the width to the screen, it will stretch based on screen width, instead of based on screen height
20:31.05A1winand if I anchor it to center, its size is constant
20:36.21ZoldenA1win you can set GUI matrix
20:36.36Zoldenso gui always scales any resolution
20:36.45Zoldenare you using OnGUI() function?
20:37.21A1windon't have any scripts yet
20:38.37ZoldenA1win you just do all GUI stuff for a constant resolution, like 1080x1920, and in OnGIO() function you must set gui matrix, that will scale/offset stuf
20:38.42Zoldenit also can rotate stuff
20:38.52A1winmmh
20:38.55Zoldenwhen you need it, I can paste you that code
20:39.12A1winbut is that for the 4.6 GUI stuff or the old?
20:39.18Zoldenold
20:39.23Zoldennever touched 4.6
20:39.26A1win:x
20:39.44Zoldenbut the same matrix thing can be used for ortho camera
20:39.46A1winjust thinking there must be a built-in system in this
20:39.57Zoldenso if 4.6 is meshes based, and has its own camera, it will work
20:40.01A1winsince all these anchors are so sophisticated
20:40.37Zoldenit is the built in system to fit the resolutions, while you can do ancors within the resolution you've choosen
20:40.49Zoldenthey are not related to each other
20:41.53Zoldenguys, can you see my link already? or it's hidden? http://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/new/
20:41.54A1winhttp://unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/modules/beginner/ui/rect-transform
20:42.15A1wincan see it
20:42.29Zoldenoh, could you please upvote it
20:42.53Zoldenthat marketing video told me to post on reddit, so I did
20:43.31ZoldenRommper Ahli Dustin|Home greybeard Goa ArcanePariah go upvote http://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/new/
20:45.08Goaforget my reddit password
20:45.29Zolden"goa123"
20:46.02Zoldensoon, when apple approve your game, you'll have to post on reddit anyway
20:49.57greybeardNew mind blowing puzzle << unnecessary
20:51.49greybeardsounds like blog spam
20:51.53greybeardless is more
20:52.00Zoldenwhy? (i suck at reddit)
20:52.04Zoldenoh
20:52.05Zoldenok
20:55.24Zoldennice, some upvotes recieved, thanks, guys
20:56.29A1winderp, that video didn't answer the question :I
21:05.51A1winmm seems like this anchoring system can't be used for what I wanted
21:06.43Zoldenwhy don't you invent your own one?
21:07.43A1winwell of course I have to if there's no other way ;p
21:08.05A1winbit weird that they didn't include the option in this system as it's otherwise so powerful
21:11.32A1winohh
21:11.38A1winthere's a Reference Resolution component
21:12.35A1winnow it works exactly like in SC2
21:14.16ZoldenGoa looks like blizzard follow the recommendations from that video with Storm
21:20.51Rommperwhich one?
21:20.52Dustin|WorkWhat recommendations
21:23.02Zoldenthe "marketing for indie gamedevelopers" video http://unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/modules/beginner/marketing-and-pr/zero-budget-marketing
21:23.22Zoldenthat chick knows what she's talking about
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21:34.26IskatuMesksup JademusSreg
21:58.32Dustin|WorkFUUU
21:58.40Dustin|WorkSo i thought the first page was gonna be the worst to convert...
21:58.46Dustin|WorkThen I found this page...
21:59.13Dustin|Workhttps://pastee.org/5f9at
23:07.20ArcanePariahDustin|Work, I highly suggest either stopping or getting a LOT of booze
23:07.47Dustin|WorkGonna have to go the booze route :(
23:08.29ArcanePariahIf it is of any consolation, there does appear to be a fair number of blocks of code that can be rewritten as single lines
23:10.29ArcanePariahBut yes, the logic behind some of that is quite painful to look at.
23:10.46Dustin|WorkYeah :(
23:11.51ArcanePariahMostly the problem is the original code has 0 functions, just one gigantic block of code.
23:12.01ArcanePariahSo it is REALLY hard to tell what the hell is going on
23:12.43ArcanePariahLike, all the checks for parameters from the HTML form should probably be in one function
23:14.36ArcanePariahI assume that once again, first order of business is to modernize the calls, and parametrize the queries?
23:15.43ArcanePariahPersonally would write a small function to handle all those isset checks, so at least it is abstracted to handle any parameter
23:17.39ArcanePariahYou don't by any chance have access to the database and could create stored procedures, can you?
23:27.28Dustin|WorkYa probably not, Just gonna put my head down and re-write the whole page
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