| 01:34.03 | IskatuMesk | r u hard |
| 01:50.33 | Dustin|Work | SO HARD |
| 01:53.44 | IskatuMesk | SO HARD |
| 01:53.45 | IskatuMesk | SO LONG |
| 01:57.37 | IskatuMesk | halfway done with csotn. the mantrain is now entering stampede mode |
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| 02:04.44 | Kazimir | Hey JademusSreg, you told me earlier that my model had variant data included that shouldn't be there. Where would I go to find/remove that? |
| 02:05.24 | Kazimir | I'm currently looking at the model in cutscene editor. |
| 02:05.37 | IskatuMesk | hex editor or 3ds max |
| 02:05.45 | IskatuMesk | hex editor if you knew exactly what to remove, that is |
| 02:05.52 | IskatuMesk | (I don't :3) |
| 02:06.18 | IskatuMesk | I don't actually know what "variant data" refers to. Variants are determined through naming conventions and the data editor |
| 02:06.50 | IskatuMesk | but generally if you need to actually edit the model you'll need to use max |
| 02:09.22 | Kazimir | That's more than a little frustrating. It's the only model out of a large set that does this. |
| 02:09.33 | IskatuMesk | what is it doing? |
| 02:10.29 | Kazimir | error igloo instead of showing up in the game window (editor or test), despite showing up fine in data/cutscene |
| 02:10.43 | IskatuMesk | cutscene editor is weird |
| 02:10.44 | Kazimir | aaaand now it's spontaneously working. |
| 02:10.46 | Kazimir | What the fuck. |
| 02:10.51 | Kazimir | I haven't edited anything. |
| 02:10.53 | IskatuMesk | try restarting editor |
| 02:10.57 | Kazimir | I've just restarted the editor about 10 times. |
| 02:11.02 | IskatuMesk | shrug |
| 02:11.06 | IskatuMesk | welcome to blizzard games |
| 02:11.13 | Kazimir | I KNOW. |
| 02:11.17 | IskatuMesk | things just do shit |
| 02:11.21 | IskatuMesk | and shit splatters everywhere |
| 02:11.32 | Kazimir | I've been working with them since SC1 |
| 02:11.37 | IskatuMesk | me too |
| 02:11.45 | IskatuMesk | the shit is still splattering |
| 02:11.49 | Kazimir | This is the first editor that has given me this much shit though. |
| 02:11.50 | IskatuMesk | like an unending scat marathon |
| 02:11.57 | Kazimir | Even the WC3 editor wasn't this annoying. |
| 02:11.59 | IskatuMesk | oh, so you never tried arsenal |
| 02:12.02 | IskatuMesk | or icecc |
| 02:12.09 | IskatuMesk | err, regular ice |
| 02:12.18 | IskatuMesk | well, iscript in general was prone to this kind of what the fuck |
| 02:12.33 | Kazimir | you talking about the alternate editors for SC/BW? |
| 02:12.36 | IskatuMesk | sc1 and invisible sprites chewing the dat memory limits |
| 02:12.40 | IskatuMesk | talking about mods yeah |
| 02:12.45 | Kazimir | Yeah, I worked with those. |
| 02:12.54 | IskatuMesk | arsenal was atrocious |
| 02:13.03 | IskatuMesk | images.dat? open, save. Congrats, now it's corrupt |
| 02:13.09 | Kazimir | Those were at least relatively straightforward in the their technical limitations. |
| 02:13.16 | IskatuMesk | ICE, same thing |
| 02:13.17 | Kazimir | Having a bunch of backups helped. |
| 02:13.21 | IskatuMesk | corrupted everything it touched |
| 02:13.41 | IskatuMesk | then... there's stargraft... tied with CV5 for the worst program I've ever used in my entire life |
| 02:13.42 | Kazimir | With this goddamn thing, you can perform the same action multiple times with different results. |
| 02:13.49 | IskatuMesk | yep |
| 02:13.57 | Kazimir | Add texture to root. Save and quit. |
| 02:14.02 | Kazimir | Restart, add model to root. |
| 02:14.03 | IskatuMesk | it's untested software slapped together at the last weeks of development |
| 02:14.07 | Kazimir | save and quit. |
| 02:14.14 | IskatuMesk | a miracle it works at all |
| 02:14.21 | Kazimir | restart, see everything working, assign to model/actor/etc. |
| 02:14.23 | Kazimir | save and quit. |
| 02:14.28 | Kazimir | restart. It's broken. |
| 02:14.31 | Kazimir | save and quit. |
| 02:14.33 | IskatuMesk | models are particularly fucky |
| 02:14.48 | Kazimir | Restart. Still broken. Repeat 2 more times. Suddenly working. |
| 02:14.54 | IskatuMesk | also, if it uses any textures from sc2 base files, I was told those must be re-imported into the map[ |
| 02:15.14 | IskatuMesk | I had a missile that used a base texture and it would not show up without it being put into the map anyways |
| 02:15.24 | IskatuMesk | that part is REALLY weird |
| 02:15.38 | IskatuMesk | also, with art tools, you MUST make your m3 with "use mopaq paths" |
| 02:15.48 | IskatuMesk | else no one else will see it because it just assumes you want to use your local paths |
| 02:16.09 | IskatuMesk | but you need to use "make dds" to get your textures, because "use mopaq paths" won't generate them, and you can't have both. |
| 02:16.14 | IskatuMesk | also, commit is bugged. |
| 02:16.35 | IskatuMesk | just some forewarnings in case you didn't have enough brain damage |
| 02:16.51 | Kazimir | This is why I took a 6 month break from the editor. |
| 02:17.06 | Kazimir | I was disappointed to find out that the same games that were trending then are still trending now. |
| 02:17.10 | Kazimir | or have REALLY shitty sequels. |
| 02:17.23 | IskatuMesk | still tame compared to sins of a solar empire tbh. sc2 may be more of a mess externally, but literally nothing in sins was designed by anyone who had used a computer before |
| 02:17.30 | IskatuMesk | sans the ui for the particle editor, but not the editor itself |
| 02:17.32 | Kazimir | I hear that. |
| 02:17.43 | Kazimir | I love sins as a single player "half paying attention" game. |
| 02:17.49 | Kazimir | In any other form? Fuck that. |
| 02:17.56 | IskatuMesk | one word. XSI |
| 02:17.58 | IskatuMesk | god damn. |
| 02:18.14 | IskatuMesk | everything surrounding how that game handles its models is like twisting my dick in a chemically sharpened toilet seat |
| 02:18.49 | IskatuMesk | and XSI is abhorrent and whoever thought it would be a good idea to use it for a game should be hung |
| 02:19.54 | IskatuMesk | and have you used their so-called map editor? |
| 02:20.04 | IskatuMesk | that one... that's a real treat. I cannot express it in words |
| 02:20.58 | Kazimir | NOPE. |
| 02:21.08 | IskatuMesk | I did sc1 since 1999. I went through the most disgusting things you can possibly put on a computer. Sins was just about as bad, but coming from someone who claimed to be an actual game developer as opposed to randoms |
| 02:21.10 | Kazimir | I can't NOPE hard enough to express my unwillingness. |
| 02:21.16 | IskatuMesk | hahahaha |
| 02:22.22 | IskatuMesk | galaxyedit's problems largely lay in incompetence and unwillingness to care. annoying, but resolvable given patience. Some things, though, you can't scrub out no matter how hard you try |
| 02:22.46 | IskatuMesk | if the model had association to something it shouldn't, but it doesn't actually use, it will breakl |
| 02:23.42 | IskatuMesk | I had a dummy object in some of my meshes I associated the root bone to so I could rescale them. When I preview to cutscene viewer, that object NEVER appears because it has no sc2 material. But, suddenly, art tools will decide to actually export it - and break the ENTIRE thing - when you actually export it |
| 02:24.07 | Kazimir | -_- |
| 02:24.18 | IskatuMesk | took me about 20 minutes to figure out what was going on |
| 02:24.28 | Kazimir | Is it bad that I'd rather work on a SC2 map with Starforge than this editor? |
| 02:24.33 | IskatuMesk | hahahaha |
| 02:25.23 | IskatuMesk | I came from ages of wonder 2: shadow magic to sc2 in my work |
| 02:25.35 | IskatuMesk | comparatively limited by an extreme amount, but the layout design is incomparable |
| 02:25.43 | Kazimir | Welp, my patience for importing has reached its end (again). Time to play PoE. |
| 02:26.52 | IskatuMesk | generally when porting though you want to run it through 3ds max to sanitize it anyways |
| 02:26.55 | IskatuMesk | just to prevent possible issues |
| 02:27.00 | IskatuMesk | (assuming this is a wow model) |
| 02:27.36 | IskatuMesk | also, normal maps. delicious normal maps |
| 02:29.42 | IskatuMesk | time to pass out finally. have fun |
| 02:41.14 | Bounty | You there Dustin? |
| 02:42.15 | Dustin|Work | Yup |
| 02:42.35 | Bounty | Care to give feedback on logo intro? |
| 02:44.38 | Bounty | Or can you not view anything atm? |
| 02:47.58 | Dustin|Work | Sure |
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| 03:33.53 | JademusSreg | Harro. |
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| 03:49.00 | Dustin|Work | Erro |
| 03:52.15 | JademusSreg | r: <BRB_EXCEPTION> |
| 05:33.36 | JademusSreg | $resume back |
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| 09:02.50 | Rommper | hey |
| 09:04.53 | JademusSreg | Hallo juicy Rommp. =D |
| 09:20.30 | Rommper | yeah first pack of Heart of the Storm mod files uploaded on hiveworkshop |
| 09:20.48 | Rommper | i will need to check hw more often |
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| 09:40.57 | Zolden | Goa to check how much it help, I linked MnM to my android games google groups forums |
| 09:41.14 | Zolden | there's mnm thread too, to make it look valid |
| 09:41.21 | JademusSreg | My animated particles look like poop, haha. |
| 09:41.47 | Goa | Zolden link? |
| 09:41.57 | Zolden | you animated them with changing sprites? |
| 09:42.08 | Zolden | or you animated particle emitter properties? |
| 09:42.29 | Zolden | Goa https://groups.google.com/d/forum/zolden-games |
| 09:42.38 | Zolden | dunno how good this thing as a forum... |
| 09:42.45 | Zolden | feels a bit clumsy |
| 09:43.05 | Goa | I will be using Facebook as forum and for "propaganda" |
| 09:43.28 | Zolden | facebook is also shit as forum |
| 09:43.36 | Goa | I know |
| 09:43.48 | Goa | but at least people use that shit |
| 09:43.54 | JademusSreg | No worries, though; not enough frame slices in the texture, easy to address by generating interpolated frames from phoshop, and custom shaders are obviously required. |
| 09:44.05 | Zolden | you have you forum working, use this, while facebook can be just a common propaganda place, not for massive conversations |
| 09:44.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg are you talking about unity? |
| 09:45.03 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 09:47.26 | Zolden | JademusSreg just a tiny note: if shader has any kind of transparency, gpu performance needs grow proportionally to the amount of pixels invlved in the particle drawing |
| 09:47.56 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 09:50.51 | Zolden | Goa oh, and I finally reached 50 rates as first part of the plan, now waiting verification on that dapwall site, hope they able to bring some players |
| 09:51.05 | Zolden | propaganda is hard ;/ |
| 09:51.37 | Zolden | guess, if I create the super badass addictive, extremely replayable game, will it itself with no additional help, win some popularity |
| 09:58.08 | JademusSreg | Good propaganda isn't all that difficult, be awesome and enjoyable company; don't endeavour to make people do what you want, but rather make yourself the kind of person other people endeavour to do what you want. |
| 10:00.53 | JademusSreg | In turn, people will promote you sincerely, same way people blather about whatever performer, or how grassroots campaigns gain traction. |
| 10:01.23 | Zolden | the problem is rather to reach all interested people |
| 10:01.47 | JademusSreg | That's the point, though. |
| 10:01.51 | Zolden | *potentially interested |
| 10:03.18 | Zolden | for now it's easy as shit: something gives a new app about 1k downloads in 2-3 days, and app is extremely visible in category top of the worldwide agoogle play, it ignites the positive feedback, and thousands of downloads every day keeping the game on top |
| 10:03.48 | Zolden | and if the game is fun, people start to reference it in their social networks |
| 10:03.59 | Zolden | which gives a long term effect |
| 10:04.18 | JademusSreg | One doesn't simply reach that potential with the product, or even with advertising, since good reputation and genuine interest/enjoyment shared by "word-of-mouth" proves more effective at popularizing shit than either. |
| 10:04.52 | Zolden | so, everything is simple: a good game + $100 -> million downloads in a month. Now I only have crappy game and $0, so it feels hard |
| 10:05.33 | Zolden | JademusSreg true, somehow hard ass propaganda does less than simple sincere shit, I feel it now already |
| 10:05.52 | JademusSreg | I'll rephrase: cultivate meaningful friendships and contacts with humans. |
| 10:06.11 | Zolden | but $100 loaded in a site that pays indians for downloads work as well |
| 10:07.55 | Zolden | yea, I was going to create some social network account and honey-friendly way cultivate a huge network of fans who like how nice I am and also my games |
| 10:08.23 | Zolden | but to fill that account with people, one need to do hard asss propaganda or already have a popular product |
| 10:10.14 | JademusSreg | And by extension, you don't need to bait/pay/bribe/browbeat people to spread The Good Word from the Book of Zol if the good will and sincere appreciation for you and your work make them do it for you. Never seen Andrew Hussie forced to advertise Homestuck, not when there's hundreds of thousands of fans writing erotic-comedy fanfiction and posting their troll-persona self-portraits on |
| 10:10.14 | JademusSreg | deviantart. |
| 10:10.56 | Zolden | :) |
| 10:11.42 | JademusSreg | So yeah, make something great, then cultivate the following. |
| 10:12.29 | Zolden | there's a good sign, that my first game is rather ok then suck, cause downloads growing exponentially, even though it's a very early stage of exponent |
| 10:12.57 | Zolden | so, I hope at least gamewise I have something that would work they way you describe |
| 10:13.17 | Zolden | gained +1 optimism |
| 10:13.48 | JademusSreg | Would be more alarmed if a decade of steady releases showed a logrithmic curve in popularity. =D |
| 10:14.52 | JademusSreg | (For an example of this, see The Sixth Sense, then challenge yourself to watch to completion any of Mnight's other movies.) |
| 10:14.58 | Goa | dam, making music for your game is hard |
| 10:15.47 | Zolden | Goa weed is the solution |
| 10:15.58 | Goa | no weed |
| 10:16.01 | Goa | no solution |
| 10:16.17 | Zolden | go get some, it's like getting food if you hungry |
| 10:16.29 | Goa | not really |
| 10:16.31 | Bounty | Pop a Valium or something Goa |
| 10:16.47 | Goa | I would have to travel like 1 hour to my dealer and 1 hour back |
| 10:16.57 | Goa | if he is avaible |
| 10:17.28 | Zolden | music and weed are like darth wader and the force, like popyee and spinach, like that fat mouse from chip and dale and cheese |
| 10:17.30 | Goa | I want to order it like Pizza |
| 10:18.23 | Zolden | Goa in the future you will, I hope, future is bright |
| 10:19.14 | Zolden | friendly dealer with shining enthusiastic eyes flyin on a minicopter around his grattitudeful consumers, and a rainbow around the sky |
| 10:19.46 | Bounty | In the future you will be able to order weed online and have it delivered to your doorstep via a drone. |
| 10:20.41 | Zolden | yea, drones! |
| 10:21.37 | Rommper | then you will be asimilated into the zerg |
| 10:22.20 | Zolden | it's useful to be a zerg sometimes to understand and appreciate how is it to be a protoss |
| 10:22.39 | Bounty | Also, I think you have a drug problem Zolden lol |
| 10:22.40 | Bounty | =P |
| 10:23.44 | Rommper | everyone has drug problem sometimes |
| 10:23.46 | Zolden | Bounty the fact that music helps to compose music is a common fact, it has no relation to me |
| 10:23.53 | Rommper | for example when you are out of it :P |
| 10:23.56 | Zolden | *weed |
| 10:24.21 | Bounty | See Above for examples |
| 10:24.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:24.40 | Zolden | people are designed to be drug addictst, mother nature contols us with inner natural drugs like endorphine, dopamine, serotonine, adrenaline |
| 10:24.43 | Bounty | Like, what if you could totally make music, with music bro? |
| 10:24.49 | Zolden | we're hooked monkeys |
| 10:25.04 | Bounty | Yeah I know |
| 10:25.29 | Zolden | making music with music is like writing books with books, or making games with games, completely insane |
| 10:25.40 | Bounty | Pick your career path and drug of choice |
| 10:25.59 | Zolden | if robots start building other robots who building more robots, it will be the end oh humankinda |
| 10:26.25 | Zolden | yea, like philip dick picked amphetamine and created a brilliant bibliography |
| 10:26.30 | Bounty | Speak for yourself, I will befriend them and never work again. |
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| 10:27.06 | JademusSreg | Yeah, yafukin junkies, with your food and always thirsting for water and navel-gazing burnouts gazing at the smart phones on your navels while playing BurnOut. |
| 10:27.13 | Zolden | oh, believing in robot's friendship, perfect |
| 10:27.14 | JademusSreg | Buncha addicts. |
| 10:27.55 | Bounty | Professor Opium over here ^ |
| 10:28.25 | Bounty | I wonder what Stewox's drug of choice is |
| 10:28.51 | Zolden | he uses informational drugs that affect paranoid mind with great efficiency |
| 10:28.59 | Bounty | Oh |
| 10:29.02 | Bounty | I thought it was meth |
| 10:29.06 | Zolden | as wind affects dry send |
| 10:29.07 | Goa_ | Rommper Once I was at small goa party in Szigetszentmiklos and the police raided it and me stupid I didnt throw away my weed and the police searched my wallet and didnt found the weed in it only the rolling paper:D |
| 10:29.28 | Rommper | tökély :D |
| 10:29.39 | Zolden | Szigetszentmiklos, huh? I thought it's germans who use caricaturically long names |
| 10:30.07 | Bounty | I don't know how you people function, let alone enjoy weed |
| 10:30.07 | Zolden | Goa_ lucky :) |
| 10:30.28 | Goa_ | it come well when police left and nobody had weed:D |
| 10:30.50 | Zolden | lol |
| 10:31.19 | Goa | ofcourse my friends talked to police about how good LSD is.D |
| 10:31.23 | Rommper | Zolden it means Saint Nicholas Island |
| 10:32.02 | Bounty | LSD is great if have a stable brain, from what I've heard at least |
| 10:32.08 | Bounty | if you* |
| 10:32.31 | Goa | yeah |
| 10:32.41 | Bounty | Never tried it and never will lol |
| 10:32.57 | Goa | its quite interesting stuff |
| 10:33.22 | Goa | if you take huge doses you can trip for weeks without knowing about the reality... |
| 10:33.22 | Bounty | If weed can have me debating whether I should get up and take a piss or not for 2 hours, god knows what LSD would do to me |
| 10:33.33 | Goa | dose* |
| 10:33.53 | Rommper | never would take stuffs like those |
| 10:34.22 | Bounty | I WOULD try DMT though, in a very controlled environment. |
| 10:34.22 | Rommper | i only tried two thing: Weed and Salvia Divinorum |
| 10:34.35 | Goa | LSD and mushrooms dont really have any particle use, you just trip out too much to make any real sense... |
| 10:34.36 | Zolden | it makes you another creature, changes the way brain generetes consciousness, your inner world increases in size and complexity, you gain many new abilities, like interpolate things far in future, see music, see pictures in chaos, and other undescribable stuff |
| 10:34.40 | Bounty | At least once before I die |
| 10:34.56 | Goa | Bounty DMT is same shit |
| 10:35.06 | Bounty | No its not lol |
| 10:35.12 | Goa | yeah it is |
| 10:35.20 | Goa | I know quite many who tried |
| 10:35.31 | Bounty | Its the most powerful psychedelic |
| 10:36.34 | Bounty | This is just based on research though |
| 10:36.40 | Goa | yeah |
| 10:36.43 | Bounty | Never knew anyone who did it |
| 10:36.56 | Zolden | yea, dmt is a high end psychodelic |
| 10:36.57 | Goa | and thats why it would be really bad you gone straight for it |
| 10:37.10 | Goa | without trying less powerful psychedelics |
| 10:37.31 | Rommper | Salvia is fun and the main effect last only for a few minutes :) |
| 10:37.41 | Goa | its wide spread these days here |
| 10:37.58 | Bounty | I heard DMT trips are very short as well, but people have reported it felt like years |
| 10:38.00 | Rommper | you can't stop laughing xD |
| 10:38.10 | Zolden | Rommper it's fast, strong, and rather useless, cause doesn't bring euphoria, just affects perception |
| 10:38.13 | Goa | yeah 5-15min Bounty |
| 10:38.33 | Rommper | who cares |
| 10:38.43 | Rommper | euphoria will come from the fun you have with your buddies :D |
| 10:38.56 | Zolden | Bounty there's a dream stage where dmt is emitted in brain, where people see dreams, they can last 1-2 seconds of objective time, but be realy long subjectively |
| 10:39.02 | Rommper | as you tell them what did you see and you are laughing your ass off together |
| 10:39.06 | Bounty | I know Zolden |
| 10:39.16 | Bounty | Rem sleep |
| 10:39.19 | Zolden | so, we take tiny dmt doses every night |
| 10:39.20 | Bounty | yes? |
| 10:39.21 | Goa | Zolden thats bS |
| 10:39.42 | Goa | so many BS things you can read about DMT on the internet which is not true... |
| 10:40.14 | Bounty | I read that pretty much every living thing has the gland that produces it |
| 10:40.22 | Bounty | true? |
| 10:40.34 | Goa | yeah |
| 10:40.44 | Zolden | Goa no, it is not, scientists had scurpulous researches with MRT and rat brain dissection, they found out that dmt does begin expressed in short dream stage and at death, death doses are much higher |
| 10:41.04 | Bounty | Also, this would probably be me if I did DMT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk9H1EJhc5Q |
| 10:41.18 | Bounty | Like a little bitch |
| 10:41.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:41.39 | Goa | Zolden yeah, I have read those and it was BS... |
| 10:43.35 | Zolden | Bounty wow, the bitch tells cool stuf, i want it :) |
| 10:43.54 | Bounty | I enjoyed the ending Zolden |
| 10:43.59 | Bounty | "Nothings real?" |
| 10:44.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:44.05 | Zolden | yea, typical |
| 10:44.29 | Bounty | Typical to think that the real world is not real? |
| 10:44.30 | Zolden | philip dick made a carreer on that |
| 10:44.51 | Zolden | Goa I don't see why it is BS, I read it in places I trust |
| 10:45.21 | Zolden | Bounty I mean any hallucinogens make ppl question the idea of reality |
| 10:45.32 | Bounty | I think it makes sense Zolden, especially with the death aspect of it |
| 10:45.47 | Bounty | Would explain why people see the shit they do when they die and come back |
| 10:46.11 | Rommper | once i felt like i'm out of the universe with Salvia :D And while i was laughing i told people things like dimension jumping is everyones personal right. >< |
| 10:46.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:46.52 | Bounty | Flying through the universe and laughing.... my god |
| 10:47.24 | Bounty | Sounds fun, but I doubt that would be my experience |
| 10:47.45 | Rommper | my friend seen me as a dog xD |
| 10:48.05 | Bounty | Sounds like something from the movie A Scanner Darkly |
| 10:48.09 | Zolden | lol Rommper |
| 10:48.39 | Goa | Zolden I cant find the things I read about it, but basically all the shit that DMT appears in sleep and at death comes from 1 scientist who is highly questionable... |
| 10:48.42 | Bounty | Does DXM count as a psychedelic? |
| 10:49.03 | Zolden | for some people NBA does |
| 10:49.41 | Bounty | https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/ |
| 10:49.44 | Bounty | apparently it does |
| 10:50.05 | Bounty | Almost forgot about when I tried that |
| 10:50.07 | Zolden | a scanner darkly movie is much weaker than the book, even though it made cool as a movie, but it failed to call for the the feelings the book makes you feel |
| 10:50.37 | Bounty | Was watching LOTR and I was transferred into the movie. |
| 10:51.05 | Bounty | Which was fine until shit got dark lol |
| 10:51.20 | Bounty | Should have just put the Rivendale scenes on repeat |
| 10:51.41 | Zolden | yea, elven tits |
| 10:54.36 | Zolden | Goa another hungarian on forum, told ya there's alot of them http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/71100-starcraft-2-art-tools-export-problem/?post=1 |
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| 11:15.19 | Rommper | Hungarians take over starcraft 2 :P |
| 11:19.17 | Zolden | seems so |
| 11:19.31 | Zolden | german gegemony will soon end |
| 11:22.37 | Rommper | Kailniris is hungarian also |
| 11:25.09 | Zolden | sc2 becoming "hungar games" |
| 11:26.16 | Rommper | repopulating glorious sc2mapster clay |
| 11:29.59 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 11:32.23 | TwoDie | so looking into what kind of death anim could be for this temple.. thinking of making something like that generic protoss unit death, with strip going up, and circle to sides spreading on top of something changing with model itself |
| 11:32.35 | TwoDie | like rocks spliting |
| 11:33.30 | Zolden | rocs could just fall down |
| 11:34.05 | Zolden | and the green shit from the boiler spill |
| 11:34.44 | TwoDie | green shit is only when building is working on research or trainin units stuff |
| 11:34.55 | TwoDie | so in stand mode its only blackish |
| 11:44.52 | TwoDie | 1 |
| 11:55.07 | Zolden | maybe use multiple particle emitters and force fields to imitate a magical explosion |
| 11:56.25 | Rommper | rock spliting is good idea |
| 11:56.46 | TwoDie | something like warp gate, or protoss buildings |
| 11:56.59 | TwoDie | death anims |
| 11:57.23 | Goa | Zolden so what is the easiest way to setup audio that can be played by scripts instead of audio emitters on scene. |
| 12:00.07 | Zolden | Goa put AudioSource component on camera, and use audiosorce.playoneshot function, passing there your preloaded clip |
| 12:00.22 | Zolden | it's how I do it |
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| 12:36.14 | TwoDie | fuck |
| 12:36.19 | Zolden | pluck |
| 12:42.39 | Zolden | trees getting yellowier |
| 13:13.21 | TwoDie | penis |
| 13:24.46 | TwoDie | much crash |
| 13:50.12 | TwoDie | phil fish |
| 13:53.06 | Zandose | i have a question. |
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| 13:53.37 | Zandose | but i shall run a test first |
| 13:55.05 | TwoDie | is zoldren is frog? |
| 13:55.13 | TwoDie | icefrog? |
| 13:55.51 | Zolden | penis |
| 13:55.51 | zoldren | penis |
| 13:56.14 | TwoDie | icefrog it is |
| 13:56.22 | Zolden | your penis it is |
| 13:56.47 | TwoDie | my penis is good, unless with talking about boners :/ |
| 13:57.46 | TwoDie | so left 2 rocks to split |
| 13:57.58 | Zolden | i just joined from phone to stil present in the channel i banned at |
| 14:02.51 | zoldren | Ñ
Ñй в ÑÑаве |
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| 14:42.17 | TwoDie | alright |
| 14:42.21 | TwoDie | right |
| 14:42.22 | TwoDie | left |
| 14:42.24 | TwoDie | right right |
| 14:48.47 | Zolden | left left X A B B |
| 14:48.58 | TwoDie | abba |
| 14:48.58 | Zolden | launches icebolt |
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| 14:51.57 | Zolden | TwoDie my russian buddies want to go for kickstarter with their wc3 remake for sc2 with wow models |
| 14:52.39 | Zolden | check http://xgm.guru/p/wcr/waapresent |
| 14:57.34 | Zolden | they want a modeller to create effects and prettify buildings |
| 14:59.38 | Ahli | oh, that looks really good... wonderful UI work done |
| 15:01.06 | TwoDie | cute indeed |
| 15:02.34 | Zolden | yea, they are pretty enthusiastic and pay attention to details, and have a realy tyrant leader |
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| 15:19.01 | TwoDie | right |
| 15:19.02 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJPJhntjeU |
| 15:20.37 | Zolden | NOW EXPLODE THE MOTHERFUCKERS!@!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:23.31 | TwoDie | pew pew |
| 15:23.54 | Zolden | MORE!!!! |
| 15:24.08 | Zolden | explodes a zealot with 3 nuclear explosions |
| 16:17.56 | TwoDie | zolden how to render particles above terrain z pass shit |
| 16:19.44 | Zolden | try to set the same parameter for them |
| 16:19.57 | Zolden | try to switch between add and blend |
| 16:20.10 | Zolden | or try to use alpha cut instead |
| 16:21.07 | TwoDie | depth blend was the problem.. check box |
| 16:36.28 | Zolden | TwoDie how many models do you plan to make for Rommper? |
| 16:38.04 | TwoDie | dont plan much about it. but if im will be able to will try to finish most of those created |
| 16:38.21 | TwoDie | by original creator |
| 16:39.45 | Zolden | who was the original createor? |
| 16:40.20 | Zolden | and why he stopped doing that? |
| 16:40.36 | TwoDie | some kind of stundent (3ds max warns me about usage of models).. maybe friend of his |
| 16:40.45 | TwoDie | busy with shit |
| 16:41.09 | TwoDie | and he doesnt own any of sc2, no clue how to use sc2 tools |
| 16:43.03 | Goa | Zolden I am finally done:D |
| 16:43.12 | Goa | gonna publish next day this shit |
| 16:52.22 | Zolden | gj |
| 16:52.25 | Zolden | and gl |
| 16:52.46 | Zolden | TwoDie how much polys those rocks have? |
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| 16:55.22 | TwoDie | not a fucking clue http://youtu.be/Kc9fRRjj0zY |
| 16:55.38 | Rommper | hey |
| 16:55.52 | TwoDie | rocks have 1600 polys |
| 16:55.57 | Zolden | each? |
| 16:56.03 | TwoDie | in this death animation |
| 16:56.06 | TwoDie | all together |
| 16:56.31 | Zolden | great |
| 16:57.49 | TwoDie | idk what to do with this death animation |
| 16:59.06 | Zolden | it looks ok, no need to overdo |
| 16:59.29 | Rommper | you could do something with the main object inside the circle |
| 16:59.38 | Zolden | I think they need rather all models done then 1/3 models done very cool |
| 17:00.35 | Zolden | main object must simply go underground with some more smoke covering it |
| 17:00.48 | Zolden | crap, i miss doing sc2 effects, so much art and inventiveness |
| 17:01.50 | Rommper | Zolden we need artists :D |
| 17:02.24 | Rommper | so you are welcome to nostalgia with doing sc2 effects :D |
| 17:02.57 | Zolden | but I already have a warcraft remaking team offer, and had to sadly rejected it |
| 17:03.00 | Tomura | how can you miss that. I only miss the times when models only had <1k polys and things were easy ... |
| 17:03.13 | Zolden | cause coding requires more tricks, i like it much more |
| 17:03.15 | Rommper | Zolden which one? :O |
| 17:04.23 | Zolden | Tomura working with particles is fun, minimum efforts, awesome look, clever ideas heavy |
| 17:04.35 | Zolden | Rommper http://xgm.guru/p/wcr/waapresent |
| 17:04.46 | Tomura | well I meant the tools for doing that |
| 17:05.05 | Rommper | oh yeah know them |
| 17:05.14 | Tomura | But I'm more used to cascade which is pretty awesome, since you can add a lot of modules to your particles |
| 17:05.14 | Rommper | they are using edited wow models only |
| 17:05.29 | Rommper | we are in connection for a long time |
| 17:05.40 | Tomura | and I hated how art tools did this stuff |
| 17:06.21 | Rommper | actualy many of their structure models bases are from our team when Hipnos was still around and done those wow sturctures |
| 17:20.25 | Zolden | Rommper I've done some models and effects for them before switching on my map |
| 17:20.49 | Zolden | now they want more, but i've evolved into unity creature |
| 17:20.55 | Zolden | but still some nostalgia |
| 17:21.14 | Zolden | even though particles in unity are alsmot the same as in art tools |
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| 18:38.58 | greybeard | yarrrr |
| 19:42.01 | greybeard | anyone knowledgeable on effect markers? |
| 19:42.36 | greybeard | and/or is it possible to validate the casting unit/player of a behavior |
| 19:45.29 | Zolden | yea, usually caster is casting unit |
| 19:45.40 | Zolden | or source |
| 19:47.29 | greybeard | what I mean is a validator that would only pass if A) unit has behavior and B) if the caster of the behavior was the caster of the validator's effect chain |
| 19:47.37 | greybeard | *target has the behavior |
| 19:49.30 | greybeard | purpose: I have a two-phase ability comprised of a charge + aoe missile, each with their own persistent that creates offset searches. Targets need to only be hit once by either the charge or the 'missile' (no double damage) |
| 19:49.40 | Zolden | yes, i think you can compare source of behavior with caster of behavior |
| 19:50.44 | Zolden | this can be done with markers |
| 19:50.53 | Zolden | it's much easier |
| 19:51.00 | greybeard | I figured as much |
| 19:51.28 | greybeard | but I'm having trouble getting the markers to work between the two persistent effects |
| 19:52.07 | Zolden | sad i don't remmber the details... You need to find Kueken's tutorials and check them, markers explained there |
| 19:52.31 | Zolden | something fireball related |
| 19:52.36 | Zolden | or boomerang |
| 19:52.38 | Zolden | or chainsaw |
| 19:52.42 | greybeard | his example of markers is the same as the raynor commando snipe-- which only works for a single persistent effect tree |
| 19:52.45 | Zolden | use these words as search |
| 19:53.13 | Zolden | can you make a single persistent create two persistents? |
| 19:54.11 | greybeard | assuming you're talking about: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles/ |
| 19:55.31 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:55.42 | Zolden | crap, i feel data-rusty ;/ |
| 19:56.42 | greybeard | I can't use a parent persistent in this case because there's another persistent inbetween that shoots 3 projectiles, which CAN stack :D |
| 19:57.17 | greybeard | logically this should be entirely possible with markers, but I haven't been able to make it happen |
| 19:58.26 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch could help you, he's on fire recently |
| 19:58.31 | Zolden | practicing alot |
| 19:58.41 | Zolden | also, ask on forum, maybe pm kueken |
| 19:58.55 | Zolden | i'm sure there's an easy way to make markers handle this |
| 19:59.02 | ArcanePariah|Sch | greybeard, what are we doing? |
| 19:59.24 | greybeard | I have a two-phase ability comprised of a charge + aoe missile, each with their own persistent that creates offset searches. Targets need to only be hit once by either the charge or the 'missile' (no double damage) |
| 19:59.25 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch read his recent messages |
| 20:00.21 | greybeard | currently, targets are hit once by the overlapping charge searches, and once by the overlapping column aoe searches (hurray, markers!) |
| 20:00.34 | greybeard | but we want it to only be hit once by either effect |
| 20:01.12 | greybeard | I would think this would be as simple as giving both persistent's the same marker link, but sadly this is not the case because markers are crazy |
| 20:02.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Same marker link, need validator to check for marker count < 1 |
| 20:04.05 | greybeard | my understanding of markers is that when you give a persistent an "Id" marker, all of it's children effects will apply a marker to the target, which can then prevent subsequent effects from affecting the target with a No Markers validator on the impact effect |
| 20:04.21 | greybeard | less than 1? |
| 20:04.57 | greybeard | er, right |
| 20:05.15 | Zolden | "no markers" validator |
| 20:06.30 | greybeard | yes, thats what I was using (marker count = 0) |
| 20:08.01 | greybeard | @ArcanePariah, that's what I thought would work, but it does not |
| 20:11.52 | greybeard | http://imgur.com/a/DqjJT |
| 20:17.49 | greybeard | sigh, and then certain marker configurations (link / casting player) appear to work EXCEPT that the marker doesn't get removed once the effect is finished, and thus can only be hit once per game >.> |
| 20:24.30 | IskatuMesk | I'll configure YOUR marker |
| 20:24.49 | IskatuMesk | marker = configured |
| 20:24.58 | ArcanePariah|Sch | greybeard, I would have the marker validator check for marker count = 1 |
| 20:25.40 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Since both persistents are applying markers, the units should get 2 markers. Make it so the effect only occurs if the unit only has 1 marker (ie it has been hit by the other effect already). |
| 20:27.51 | greybeard | we dont want the second effect to occur if it was hit by the first effect |
| 20:28.47 | ArcanePariah|Sch | So set the validator to check for markers of the target of the first effect |
| 20:29.01 | greybeard | aaaand I figured it out |
| 20:29.55 | greybeard | markers aren't additive, the count gets overwritten o.O |
| 20:30.15 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Ahh |
| 20:30.37 | ArcanePariah|Sch | All the better, have one effect apply 2 count, another apply 1, check for the specific count :D |
| 20:31.30 | greybeard | the other issue, is that using any other match flag besides "Id", the marker count does not reset once the effect tree is resolved |
| 20:31.40 | greybeard | for whatever magical blizzard reason |
| 20:31.56 | greybeard | but we can use this to have one of the impact effects set the marker to 0 |
| 20:32.09 | greybeard | and then validate for markers = 0, and not have to use multiple validators |
| 20:35.21 | greybeard | http://i.imgur.com/fCkS9vr.png |
| 20:36.50 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Indeed, and I should write a tutorial on the editor, but it would take me the next 3 months... |
| 20:39.31 | greybeard | oh, wait this broke something else.. |
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| 21:08.59 | Zolden | my cat's too smart to play with red laser point |
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| 21:13.15 | Goa | lazy != smart |
| 21:19.23 | Zolden | well, he enthusiastically hunting real stuff, like a twig |
| 21:21.56 | Zolden | and super enthusiastically hunting a fly |
| 21:22.10 | Zolden | and he tried the red point, but rapidly realized it's a shit |
| 21:24.05 | Kazimir | Switch to a green laser. The problem will sort itself out the first time he catches it. |
| 21:26.25 | Zolden | green lasers are strong, hope i won't grill him :) |
| 21:26.46 | Kazimir | (Thatwasthejoke) |
| 21:27.23 | Zolden | oh :) |
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| 22:15.18 | greybeard | adsjflksadj I want Heroes' effect tree list functions |
| 22:18.38 | Zolden | greybeard found a solution about that markers thing? |
| 22:19.03 | greybeard | I thought I did |
| 22:19.16 | Zolden | and then what happened |
| 22:19.19 | greybeard | but I did not |
| 22:20.05 | greybeard | I think I found the right combination of check boxes, and then changed some things to further testing, and now cannot find the magic combination of check boxes. Is possible that I was wrong that it was working that once |
| 22:20.27 | Zolden | yea, it happens |
| 22:28.17 | Zolden | english question: past tense shit like "she has been fucked", but in plural we use "have" instead, like "they have been fucked"? |
| 22:28.18 | Zolden | right? |
| 22:28.32 | Zolden | or still has? |
| 22:28.39 | greybeard | have |
| 22:28.42 | Zolden | thanks |
| 22:29.28 | Dustin|Home | She got fucked, she was fucked, she has been fucked, she's been fucked |
| 22:29.29 | Zolden | greybeard btw, do you have an android device? |
| 22:29.31 | Dustin|Home | All acceptable |
| 22:29.50 | greybeard | "they has been fucked" is incorrect |
| 22:29.55 | greybeard | and negatory, apple fanboy |
| 22:30.10 | Zolden | i see |
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| 22:53.41 | greybeard | yeah I think I have to redesign this ability |
| 22:54.08 | zoldren | good idea btw |
| 22:54.17 | greybeard | the good news is this is the only ability of it's kind, so no more insanity after this |
| 22:54.22 | zoldren | data is very flexible, use it |
| 23:01.02 | Zolden | JademusSreg strange: all tron bikes games i found on google play using 90' turns and gapless tails |
| 23:01.43 | Zolden | looks like your design is much better than theirs |
| 23:03.30 | IskatuMesk | lol, apple. |
| 23:05.30 | Zolden | poopple |
| 23:05.39 | IskatuMesk | once again through hitler's alleyway |
| 23:06.14 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 23:06.25 | IskatuMesk | wat u do |
| 23:07.57 | Zolden | guess sleeping |
| 23:08.04 | Zolden | titans must sleep too |
| 23:08.17 | Zolden | to generate lightning bolts in their hands |
| 23:08.27 | Zolden | to zap halfling asses then |
| 23:23.01 | Repo | New announcement: Hover - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/hover/ |
