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| 01:32.07 | Dustin|Work | Hola ArcanePariah |
| 01:35.48 | ArcanePariah | Hola |
| 01:38.01 | IskatuMesk | HOLA AMIGOS |
| 01:40.05 | IskatuMesk | also sleep lolbye |
| 01:42.47 | Dustin|Work | Might have found the problem with my map, not sure why it just now surfaced after the patch though, gonna do some more testing |
| 01:46.59 | Dustin|Work | Woot that fixed it, apparently I had an extra line of the same code right next to eachother and it ran fine before the patch, but this was causing it to break half the time |
| 01:47.04 | Dustin|Work | Fucking weird, whatever, it's fixed |
| 01:50.17 | Dustin|Work | Hard to test over teamviewer lol |
| 01:56.01 | Dustin|Work | Woot, Zoldens shadow removal worked perfectly |
| 02:36.00 | Kazimir | I RETURN! |
| 02:38.36 | Dustin|Work | Welcome sir |
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| 02:52.00 | Kazimir | By any chance is a forum mod on here? I have a minor request. |
| 02:52.36 | Kazimir | A very old post containing a ton of WC3 and WoW models has broken links. They are easily fixed, but I keep getting asked by other mapsters how to download them. |
| 02:54.47 | Dustin|Work | I dont even know who has access to fix that around here anymore |
| 02:57.04 | Kazimir | well damn. |
| 03:05.43 | Kazimir | I just realized, it was a mod who posted the original thread. |
| 03:05.49 | Kazimir | Last login June. |
| 03:23.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:24.50 | Kazimir | " CActorUnit[Peasant] Model humanmalefarmerwhite_00.m3; Unable to create this model." |
| 03:24.55 | Kazimir | Thanks editor. |
| 03:24.57 | Kazimir | very informative. |
| 03:25.10 | Kazimir | I'm pretty sure I got that from the igloo that is where my unit should be. |
| 03:25.35 | Kazimir | I think I'm done with this map for tonight -_- |
| 03:25.36 | JademusSreg | Sounds simple. |
| 03:25.46 | JademusSreg | How many variations does the model set support? |
| 03:25.55 | Kazimir | It's just one model. |
| 03:25.58 | Kazimir | no variations. |
| 03:26.21 | Dustin|Work | Jade! |
| 03:26.23 | Dustin|Work | Sup buddy |
| 03:27.47 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. =D |
| 03:28.03 | JademusSreg | Kaz, figured, problem is you have variations enabled in the model data. |
| 03:30.22 | JademusSreg | Wat's up Dust? </carrotchew> |
| 03:33.23 | Dustin|Work | Just winding down at work, fixing up some patch related bugs on muh map |
| 03:36.55 | JademusSreg | Woo. Is the new patch worth my attention? |
| 03:48.43 | Dustin|Work | Prob not |
| 04:18.21 | ArcanePariah|Sch | You still around JademusSreg? |
| 04:18.38 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 04:18.49 | ArcanePariah|Sch | How ya doing? |
| 04:20.30 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Have I mentioned being ill is a terrible use of time? |
| 04:20.30 | JademusSreg | Splendidly. I've got a nice calm hive, larvae are resting, and the entire night and most of the following day reserved for Doing Stuff. Plus various illicit supplies in service of that agenda. |
| 04:20.49 | JademusSreg | Ah, what manner of illness? |
| 04:21.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Flu sadly, which is incredibly harsh in its application, very much like a shock and awe campaign against ones body. |
| 04:21.58 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Kept me quite incapcitated for this previous week, which you may have noted by my absence. |
| 04:23.38 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Am currently in recovery, with mostly body cleanup, which involves much violent expulsion of mucus. |
| 04:27.20 | JademusSreg | Coincidentally, I was also mostly preoccupied, so fortunately I registered no absence. =D |
| 04:29.11 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, delightful: http://gamasutra.com/blogs/LindseyHandley/20140930/226640/Lessons_Learned_in_a_Successful_Indie_Game_Kickstarter_Campaign_How_CodeSpells_Raised_120K.php |
| 04:29.59 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Also reviewing the current chaos/action/evolution of world affairs. Amazing how some places are so peaceful in displaying their beliefs/agenda while others are violent and resort to murder. |
| 04:33.07 | JademusSreg | Which instances specifically? |
| 04:39.35 | JademusSreg | Would enjoy understanding the disparity in response to displays of belief. |
| 04:52.46 | ArcanePariah|Sch | The Hong Kong protests vs the latest execution conducted by ISIS |
| 05:02.32 | JademusSreg | Ah, that. The political priority to avoid spectacle contrasted with the self-promoting priority to make spectacle. |
| 05:17.07 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: looking forward to when researchers finally discover that matter and forces (their behavior described by physical laws) are emergent properties of the system in which they are embedded, since it's the first step toward engineering physics itself. |
| 05:17.21 | JademusSreg | *and their behavior |
| 05:20.16 | JademusSreg | Similarly unrelated, baby steps with quasiparticles: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/07/quasiparticles-carry-entanglement-to-near-infinite-speeds/ |
| 05:21.32 | ArcanePariah|Sch | On the subject: http://phys.org/news/2014-10-majorana-fermion-physicists-elusive-particle.html |
| 05:21.48 | JademusSreg | Yupyup. =D |
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| 06:55.13 | TwoDie | "I ordered some early access cider. They gave me an apple and told me they didnt have the budget to go any further" |
| 06:56.08 | Goa | only in USA http://fox4kc.com/2014/10/01/police-teachers-engage-in-threesome-with-16-year-old-student/ |
| 06:57.53 | TwoDie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXJDBp0yW1A |
| 06:58.24 | TwoDie | damn thats sexy |
| 07:07.12 | Goa | nice 1 TwoDie |
| 07:07.47 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 07:09.05 | TwoDie | baamm i raped u! |
| 07:09.10 | Goa | maybe I should name my Unity game something like that.D |
| 07:09.24 | Goa | 10 Reasons why you will hate this game |
| 07:09.33 | Goa | my new game's name |
| 07:10.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:14.55 | Goa | lol |
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| 08:43.35 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
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| 09:06.53 | Rommper | hi |
| 09:07.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:08.08 | Zolden | heygh |
| 09:08.58 | JademusSreg | Determined a tactical RPG deserves my prototyping attention. |
| 09:09.23 | JademusSreg | Also intend to test my particle idea in tandem. |
| 09:11.17 | Zolden | great |
| 09:11.40 | JademusSreg | Somewhat related, 3dsmax has been refusing to install, so I'll need to solve that sometime. |
| 09:12.57 | Zolden | there are many versions of 3d max, you could use any between 2010 and 215 |
| 09:13.02 | Zolden | 2015 |
| 09:13.35 | Zolden | 2011 is probably best, cause it's also Art Tools compartible |
| 09:13.52 | JademusSreg | Don't much care about the Art Tools. =D |
| 09:14.27 | JademusSreg | But yes, I've got 2015, but its failing like a rejected transplant organ. |
| 09:16.18 | Zolden | i've successfully installed 10, 11, 13 and 14 |
| 09:16.31 | Zolden | Goa did u manage to install max 2015? |
| 09:16.42 | Goa | yeah |
| 09:17.41 | JademusSreg | Private chat, tell me about it, if ya please. =D |
| 09:19.00 | Rommper | woah new heroest of the storm skins |
| 09:19.16 | JademusSreg | Haha, skins. |
| 09:19.32 | Zolden | i like chicken skin |
| 09:19.42 | JademusSreg | If I wanted skins, I'd just peel it from someone for free. |
| 09:19.47 | Goa | used this torrent http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9926170/Autodesk_3ds_Max_2015_%28x64%29_-ISO-_%5BMUMBAI-TPB%5D on win 8.1 and had no problem with it. |
| 09:42.06 | JademusSreg | Apparently, I wasn't aware most FFT players set their Calculator-skill characters to autobattle in lieu of determining the optimal action with their own thinkmeat. |
| 09:43.17 | JademusSreg | And in retrospect, I suspect not relying on autobattle AI was perhaps great for my own thinkmeat. |
| 09:47.43 | Zolden | what's FFT? |
| 09:48.38 | JademusSreg | Final Fantasy Tactics, critically acclaimed as the best tactical RPG, and personally acclaimed as the best game EVAR. |
| 09:48.48 | Zolden | oh |
| 09:49.05 | JademusSreg | Apparently it's even been ported to iOS. |
| 09:49.09 | Zolden | how autobattle determines optimal action? |
| 09:50.36 | JademusSreg | Autobattle is a setting the player may apply to characters under player control; instead of requiring player input for every action, autobattle runs the game's unscrupulous AI to your benefit. |
| 09:52.55 | JademusSreg | Well, often to your benefit. The AI is damn good, but has its delightfully exploitable blindspots. Great at making optimal choices based on the current state (tactics) but terrible at planning future action (strategy), and also has no regard for other characters' Reaction skills and similarly gives zero shits about conserving rare loot. |
| 09:56.25 | JademusSreg | So an enemy/Guest/autobattle character will eagerly attack something with a Counter attack Reaction skill (or worse, Hamedo, which triggers an attack interrupt and counter attacks the attacker), or waste time hitting something with Blade Grasp (which with 100 brave can render nearly all physical attacks useless with a 00% hit chance). |
| 09:57.34 | Zolden | can AI evolve based on experience from battles? |
| 09:58.49 | JademusSreg | When I was child, I imagined that it did, but no, it's just well optimized for evaluating the current game state and efficient action. =D |
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| 10:05.49 | JademusSreg | Fondly remember my previous FFT playthrough (as it's the only game I revisit every year or few), modified the game so enemies would have all their abilities and better gear, quite fun. |
| 10:10.36 | JademusSreg | (And not only is FFT's plot-filled story not complete garbage like, er, every other final fantasy game, on the contrary I'd dare say it's good, perhaps even great.) |
| 10:24.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 11:04.47 | JademusSreg | Success. |
| 11:06.16 | Zolden | in what? |
| 11:08.33 | JademusSreg | Would ignite a scandal were I to mention such a thing in public. |
| 11:09.38 | JademusSreg | Bounty, saw this, reminded me of you: http://store.steampowered.com/app/285900/ |
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| 11:32.44 | Goa | Zolden |
| 11:32.55 | Zolden | yea? |
| 11:33.35 | Goa | my flappy bird game shows your best and current score on end screen, if your current is higher than the best than should the best show the current score? (or the previously best one) |
| 11:33.55 | Zolden | yea |
| 11:34.31 | Goa | what yeah? |
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| 11:34.45 | Zolden | but you can keep the previous best in a variable, to note that in "game over" screen, like "dear player, you just have beaten up your previous high score" |
| 11:34.48 | Goa | so it should show the current score as best too |
| 11:35.06 | Zolden | yea, best must be >= current |
| 11:35.25 | Goa | hmm |
| 11:36.05 | Goa | Hmm then I will have best title as new best if the best broken:D |
| 11:40.41 | Zolden | Goa there more flappy birds then i thought |
| 11:40.48 | Zolden | thousands of them |
| 11:41.02 | Goa | yeah |
| 11:43.47 | Zolden | TwoDie guess waht |
| 11:45.37 | TwoDie | no clue |
| 11:46.06 | Zolden | I have been banned on #unity3d-chat for racism |
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| 11:48.37 | IskatuMesk | but are you hard |
| 11:53.07 | TwoDie | lol... wrong group of people to be open about things |
| 11:55.49 | JademusSreg | Flippy Bird, Frenchy Boor, Frankly Bored, Funky Beat, Spoony Bard, Slippy Frog, Scrappy Doo, Fiesty Bum, Floppy Butt, Filthy Cock, Frosty Beer, Flakey Bald, Fuzzy Beard, Flabby Bert, Crappy Turd, Bratty Nerd, Clappy Herp, Floozy Smurf, Happy Dwarf |
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| 11:55.50 | JademusSreg | Really Hard, Fancy Purr, Flossy Tooth, Flutey Band, Lucky Charm, Slutty Guard, Hardly Heard, Farely Coke, Sloppy Chode, Testy Balls, Fluffy Nard, Flashy Boob, Fleshy Light, Crusty Crab, Binary Bool, Smelly Stool |
| 11:55.50 | JademusSreg | Silly game, wordy fun. Harhatr |
| 11:56.44 | JademusSreg | Gosh, could do that silly shit forevar. |
| 11:57.23 | Zolden | Blackcky nigg |
| 11:57.51 | Goa | did you say Hitler too many times? |
| 11:58.16 | Zolden | I defined basketball as a "pack of tall niggs" |
| 11:58.25 | Zolden | but also said hitler many times |
| 11:58.33 | Goa | :D |
| 11:59.49 | Goa | you know, never say niggs to niggs if you arent nigg. |
| 12:01.36 | IskatuMesk | sup jade |
| 12:01.57 | Zolden | I'm fuzzy nigg, getting niggier at summer |
| 12:04.04 | JademusSreg | Drinky Crow, Penny Slot, Horny Beast, Pointy Burr, Fairly New, Fully Nude, Fooly Cool, Flirty Foot, Fudgey Food, Fatty Poot, Rudey 'Tude, Fruity Loop, Dirty Curr, Candy Nerd, Dandy Dude, Nancy Boy... |
| 12:05.09 | IskatuMesk | niggs |
| 12:06.48 | JademusSreg | Learhy Trip, Drippy Nose, Smokey Burn, Furry Perv, Smutty Corn, Foggy Hat, Geeky LARP... |
| 12:07.18 | IskatuMesk | hitler |
| 12:07.27 | JademusSreg | Phew, time to take a break from nonsense for some Doing Stuff. |
| 12:07.30 | Rommper | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqV2n5h7RWs |
| 12:08.20 | Rommper | this is how you behaved Zolden? |
| 12:10.51 | IskatuMesk | watcha doin |
| 12:13.42 | JademusSreg | Research, resource acquisition, looking into available parse/emit solutions for JSON, gotta work out data structures and serialization for a tactical RPG prototype. |
| 12:15.02 | Zolden | spectacticle rpg |
| 12:16.20 | IskatuMesk | resource acquisition is about the only thing I am good at :3 |
| 12:17.28 | IskatuMesk | I'm really at the stage where I just need my two outsourced voices, now |
| 12:18.54 | IskatuMesk | guess I'll start symphony of the night and some other videos while I wait to hear about everything |
| 12:22.05 | JademusSreg | Rather surprised by the lack of JSON solutions for Unity; all the available code/libs I've seen have APIs that look like mouldy garbage from a cadaver butt. |
| 12:22.20 | IskatuMesk | sounds like unity |
| 12:22.52 | JademusSreg | Bad APIs make me wanna flay someone. |
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| 12:28.19 | JademusSreg | Enjoy the entity-component system, great approach, but support for data-driven instancing proves rather lacking. =D |
| 12:29.38 | IskatuMesk | my knee is so fucked up |
| 12:29.41 | IskatuMesk | can hardly get down these stairs |
| 12:29.55 | IskatuMesk | it is a trial just to get coffee |
| 12:31.36 | JademusSreg | Which is to say embedding content parameter sets in the same structure/layer as the transactional logic for that content is dumb, bad, and should be ashamed of itself. |
| 12:31.49 | JademusSreg | Ah yes, thanks, nearly forgot my coffee. |
| 12:32.04 | IskatuMesk | one does not simply forget about coffee |
| 12:32.26 | Zolden | IskatuMesk world is a dangerous place, life is a survival game |
| 12:42.22 | JademusSreg | Poorly designed, at that, if designed at all. |
| 12:58.14 | IskatuMesk | I just use my gameshark |
| 12:58.28 | JademusSreg | Hah, good times. |
| 12:59.51 | JademusSreg | Seems I'll use XML for now, bah. At least it's already available. |
| 13:47.36 | TwoDie | wow what a headache playing that crusader knights... so many variables |
| 13:47.51 | TwoDie | and controls seems a bit off |
| 13:47.56 | JademusSreg | Wat Crusader Knights? |
| 13:52.52 | TwoDie | * crusader knigs 2 |
| 13:52.52 | TwoDie | :s |
| 13:54.44 | TwoDie | need to go play some brain dead game |
| 13:58.21 | Zolden | TwoDie how about to play that 3ds max game? |
| 13:58.53 | TwoDie | yeah, that one works too.. |
| 13:59.01 | Rommper | thats a good game :) |
| 13:59.15 | TwoDie | sadly still want to play that Rome 2 TW.. that borken piece of shit :/ |
| 13:59.23 | TwoDie | those GPRAHICHS!@!!! |
| 13:59.26 | TwoDie | MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN |
| 14:00.03 | Rommper | why? 3ds max is superior :P |
| 14:00.23 | Zolden | you can create your own game of dream, and make it not broken, but twoddidly twod perfect |
| 14:02.11 | TwoDie | yeah.. i can dream about it |
| 14:03.11 | TwoDie | before that i need to feel blood on my face |
| 14:04.01 | JademusSreg | Dunno what Crusader Kings is either. |
| 14:04.01 | JademusSreg | Oooo! |
| 14:04.01 | JademusSreg | Twoddy Twod. |
| 14:04.01 | JademusSreg | The only game flappier than flappy bird. |
| 14:07.06 | TwoDie | Crusader Kings is Grand campaign game were you take control of country and manage politics between characters intrigues and who they fuck. Rise armies, build structures, progress in tech tree between military, economy and culture trees. And much more minor and major factors in the game |
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| 14:16.44 | JademusSreg | Oh yeaaah, sounds familiar, one of those 4X strategy games. |
| 14:17.17 | JademusSreg | I recall a RockPaperShotgun article about a mod for that-or-similar game, a LotR total conversion. |
| 14:17.20 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 14:18.04 | TwoDie | its much more complex. and grid is complex shit there. its regions based, and for units to reach other region has different variable. distance mesuraments and such |
| 14:19.34 | TwoDie | pew pew pew |
| 14:24.13 | JademusSreg | Or I think it was RPS. |
| 14:24.13 | JademusSreg | Nerp, PCGamer by way of RPS link: http://www.pcgamer.com/mod-of-the-week-the-middle-earth-project-for-crusader-kings-ii/ |
| 14:24.13 | JademusSreg | First line: "Do you, Aragorn, son of Arathorn, also known as Strider, from J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, take Shelob, a huge terrifying man-eating spider, as your wedded wife?" |
| 14:24.13 | JademusSreg | Also, hah: http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2014/01/lotr2.jpg |
| 14:31.22 | Goa | Zolden whats you company name?:D |
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| 14:34.49 | Zolden | Zolden, I guess :) |
| 14:43.20 | Goa | need to find one for me |
| 14:43.47 | Zolden | name it "Twod" |
| 14:43.52 | IskatuMesk | man, I don't understand how virtually no modern game is as responsive as symphony of the night... kind of sad that dmc4 was the last |
| 14:44.13 | IskatuMesk | also, lol @ pcgamer |
| 14:44.17 | IskatuMesk | and, lol, RPS |
| 14:47.14 | Goa | Zolden I only need to add music and ads and I am finished with this shit:D |
| 14:48.19 | IskatuMesk | persian pop |
| 14:48.45 | Zolden | Goa u can relax about ads, until game has at least 1k downloads |
| 14:49.28 | Zolden | and music - i have some, but it has rather shitty sound |
| 14:49.59 | Goa | but I want ads |
| 14:50.14 | Goa | I want the trouble of adding it |
| 14:51.32 | Zolden | ok then |
| 14:55.00 | TwoDie | not mine http://puu.sh/bYTos/608599c64e.jpg |
| 14:55.23 | IskatuMesk | dem shadows |
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| 14:56.56 | Zolden | TwoDie is it yours? |
| 14:57.41 | egod | QUESTION: when using that debug windows thing...is there a way to PAUSE the game ?!?! |
| 14:58.01 | TwoDie | zolden its yours |
| 14:59.10 | Zolden | egod QUESTION: why don't you use Unity if you want to make cash on making games? |
| 14:59.28 | egod | fuck off unity |
| 14:59.32 | egod | i know this shit |
| 14:59.32 | IskatuMesk | loool |
| 15:00.05 | egod | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.10 | egod | :) |
| 15:00.13 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 15:00.44 | dooplecane | JademusSreg |
| 15:00.48 | ArcanePariah|Sch | zolden, question, why use Unity if I have 0 plans to make money on games? |
| 15:00.57 | dooplecane | so on another network, my handle is "lord_high_gaynigger" |
| 15:01.00 | dooplecane | What is your opinion on that? |
| 15:01.20 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch to have less limits limiting your inner coder |
| 15:02.02 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Strangely enough, limits are a good thing to writing better code. |
| 15:02.09 | Zolden | dooplecane cia after you for this |
| 15:02.20 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch then asm is for you |
| 15:02.23 | dooplecane | Zolden, HOWEVER SO? |
| 15:02.26 | dooplecane | Sorry, caps. |
| 15:02.52 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Zolden, asm... is no limits lol, so that would fail the limit test |
| 15:03.00 | egod | i never buy any games who was made with unity |
| 15:03.19 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch btw, mobiles are weak at performance, and that is true limit to make better code, becasue it should be performance friendly |
| 15:03.50 | Zolden | egod u can't know it b4 u buy |
| 15:03.52 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Zolden, sure, but I don't need that limit to write good performing code. |
| 15:04.19 | ArcanePariah|Sch | And mobile is not what I would call "weak" for performance |
| 15:04.34 | Zolden | egod and u never know it if guy has pro license and doesn't have "powered by unity" splash |
| 15:04.53 | ArcanePariah|Sch | "Weak" for me would be coding on an standard embedded system with 4kb of flash space and 1kb of memory |
| 15:05.13 | egod | well ok, can you make a porn game with Occulus Rift on unity? do it and get rich |
| 15:05.52 | Tomura | people are already making them |
| 15:06.02 | Zolden | ArcanePariah|Sch they are like nes/amiga/286 era again, cause all so get used to fucking i7's with gigabytes of ram... but i get your point |
| 15:06.36 | Zolden | i can make porn at least for red-cyan glasses :) |
| 15:07.08 | Zolden | people strongly criticise occulus rift as it apeeared suck much more than anyone expected |
| 15:08.02 | Zolden | egod but it's not enough, we need boob touching gloves to touch boobs in wow and in other fantasy tits worlds |
| 15:08.57 | egod | whatever |
| 15:10.30 | egod | is that true Warcraft 3 will work on Bnet 2.0?! |
| 15:10.55 | egod | i guess its rumor |
| 15:11.27 | IskatuMesk | mobile games, lol |
| 15:14.50 | Rommper | it will |
| 15:15.14 | Rommper | already added button files into mpq egod |
| 15:15.48 | Rommper | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4373-Battle-Net-Launcher-Warcraft-III-Beta-Build-Warlords-Bonus-Rolls-Treasure-Room |
| 15:19.48 | TwoDie | nanannanann |
| 15:19.53 | TwoDie | (18:13:10) egod left the room |
| 15:20.17 | Rommper | oh |
| 15:20.39 | Rommper | guess then its remain a rumor for him |
| 15:38.20 | Dustin|Home | Oh nice |
| 15:38.28 | Dustin|Home | They are adding wc3 to the launcher |
| 15:40.42 | Zolden | I guess this launcher thing is related to storm, they want storm to feed all their other games with new players, so they united all games |
| 15:41.20 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Well that plus having so many disparate programs to maintain was getting unwieldly I imagine. |
| 15:46.17 | Dustin|Home | Zolden, the shadow removal worked great, thanks again :D |
| 15:47.44 | Zolden | np dude |
| 15:50.46 | Kazimir|Sleep | what's the name of the pastebin that has SC2 formatting? |
| 15:51.42 | Kazimir|Sleep | *pokes Zolden* |
| 15:52.31 | Zolden | dunno, ask JademusSreg maybe |
| 15:52.47 | Kazimir|Sleep | But...he bites. :-P |
| 15:53.55 | Kazimir|Sleep | Maybe you can answer my question without the need for a paste. I'm trying to redirect a selection (from a neutral building to an identical building owned by the player) |
| 15:54.07 | Kazimir|Sleep | event is the neutral building being selected |
| 15:54.17 | Kazimir|Sleep | action is deselect and select the other building. |
| 15:54.29 | Kazimir|Sleep | for some reason, the second building isn't being selected. |
| 15:54.51 | Kazimir|Sleep | The building IS hidden, so I'm going through step by step |
| 15:55.20 | Kazimir|Sleep | just wanted to check in to see if it has an obvious answer |
| 15:55.38 | Zolden | what you trying to do seems very simple |
| 15:55.53 | Zolden | how do you aquaire the second building? some kind of search? |
| 15:56.10 | Zolden | also, why is it hidden? |
| 15:56.16 | Zolden | maybe hidden shit can't be selected? |
| 15:56.50 | Kazimir|Sleep | the buildings are assigned as variables during initialization |
| 15:57.02 | Kazimir|Sleep | so it's selecting the building as a variable |
| 15:57.11 | Kazimir|Sleep | I'm undoing the hidden stuff right now. |
| 15:57.52 | Zolden | hidden is a property related to stuff being in bunker or in transport |
| 15:57.56 | Kazimir|Sleep | probably can't have something selected without a model. |
| 15:58.15 | Zolden | you can use invisible model |
| 15:58.31 | Kazimir|Sleep | I'm not worried about it being visible. It was a clutter thing. |
| 15:59.16 | Kazimir|Sleep | I can always just conceal that corner of the map |
| 15:59.56 | Kazimir|Sleep | although, the invisible model might be better, yeah. |
| 16:03.39 | Zolden | so, is not-hidden thing can be selected triggerly? |
| 16:03.41 | Kazimir|Sleep | Fixed. Hidden seemed to be the problem. |
| 16:04.02 | Kazimir|Sleep | Alright, this map is progressing in record time. |
| 16:04.26 | Kazimir|Sleep | Time to make a metric fuckton of dialog buttons now :-/ |
| 16:12.36 | Zolden | oh, gl with that, dialogs are a hell |
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| 16:16.56 | Dustin|Home | Kazimir|Sleep, http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 16:17.15 | Kazimir|Sleep | bookmarked. |
| 16:25.47 | Zolden | TwoDie I'm lazier than you |
| 16:27.03 | TwoDie | fuck u |
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| 17:17.00 | JademusSreg | Brak. |
| 17:17.06 | Zolden | flob |
| 17:21.04 | Zolden | Bounty this feels pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Em1leM682Y |
| 17:46.39 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Hello JademusSreg, I have a question on the usage of presets and when they are most appropriate. I do understand they are for making code more readable as well as serve as abstraction. I would like to know if there are any other uses and your thoughts on them overall. |
| 17:54.45 | Rommper | ArcanePariah|Sch can you pls send the unload ability? |
| 17:56.02 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Rommper, you can download it at any time. If you are in the editor go to Open -> Select Battle.net -> Map/Mod Name, type in "Community Mod" and hit Go, it will be the first/only thing that comes up. |
| 17:56.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | It is in a public unlocked mod dependency |
| 17:57.24 | Rommper | oh ok, ty |
| 17:58.01 | ArcanePariah|Sch | That was one of main goals of help you and others out, to make it shareable/easily accessible using the exiting tool/frameworks we are already given. |
| 18:03.01 | Rommper | that load ability is not the finished one right? |
| 18:09.09 | Rommper | oh wait it applies buff |
| 18:21.22 | ArcanePariah|Sch | Load is unfinished correct. |
| 18:40.29 | Zolden | has anyone ever used google groups as a forum? |
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| 19:56.34 | Zolden | Peeeeeeeeee |
| 19:58.04 | Deaod | D |
| 19:58.07 | Dustin|Work | Setting up a CSGO server on my linux box |
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| 20:18.07 | Kazimir|Sleep | I need additional Zerg ground units. I have zergling, hydra, pygalisk, and roach. |
| 20:18.32 | Kazimir|Sleep | I need 2 more ground units, preferably one with range. |
| 20:18.56 | Kazimir|Sleep | As it's a base survival, I don't want to pull the banelings out just yet. |
| 20:20.54 | Kazimir|Sleep | I'm already using changeling model and the feederling. |
| 20:21.03 | Kazimir|Sleep | Maybe broodling... |
| 20:22.18 | Kazimir|Sleep | Broodlings are usually a swarm unit, and I already have pathing issues... |
| 20:22.47 | greybeard | infested terran, lurker, primal zerg, drone, etc |
| 20:23.18 | Kazimir|Sleep | Infested terran is going to be the endless mode, Lurkers need to burrow so don't work for a wave type game |
| 20:23.34 | Zolden | Kazimir|Sleep is pygalisk pig based? |
| 20:23.37 | Kazimir|Sleep | are there any primal strains that aren't just the same archetypes repeated? |
| 20:24.20 | Zolden | u can use wow monsters |
| 20:24.29 | Kazimir | The pygalisks are chargers, and the pygalisk boss destroys trees |
| 20:25.00 | Zolden | sad, pigs would be cool |
| 20:25.33 | Zolden | just check assets->models on mapster |
| 20:25.43 | Kazimir | I have a bunch of thiose |
| 20:25.45 | Zolden | some ppl uploaded nice models, some of them maybe zergish |
| 20:25.47 | Kazimir | worried about resource usage |
| 20:25.56 | Zolden | resource usage? |
| 20:26.19 | Kazimir | custom models are hard on the game compared to vanilla, aren't they? |
| 20:26.58 | Zolden | there's nothing bad about custom models, unless they have huge amount of polygons, which they haven't |
| 20:27.15 | Zolden | one of my games use 100+ custom models, and has high fps |
| 20:30.02 | greybeard | default lurkers require burrow. You can use magic editing to make them above board |
| 20:30.22 | greybeard | ravasaur primal zerg looks nothing like zergling/roach/ultra |
| 20:34.18 | Kazimir | If customs don't have any additional overhead, I'd rather use them for everything |
| 20:34.23 | Kazimir | this is a WC3 map remake |
| 20:34.30 | Kazimir | well, sequel. |
| 20:36.26 | Zolden | Kazimir use custom models, they are performance safe. You can place like 50 marines within one screen and check fps, then place 50 imported pig models and check fps again, compare how heavy the model |
| 20:36.57 | Kazimir | Then the WoW model packs are about to be my best friend. |
| 20:37.05 | Kazimir | I'm going to use SO MANY different trees. |
| 20:37.49 | Zolden | sc2 trees are very heavy, so use wow ones definitely |
| 20:38.13 | Kazimir | I was kind of annoyed that all my trees looked the same. This will make the map look a lot better. |
| 20:39.17 | Zolden | what is your map about? chopping trees? |
| 20:39.26 | Kazimir | Kind of, yes. |
| 20:39.46 | Kazimir | Lumber=Minerals, used for buildings. |
| 20:40.04 | Kazimir | Gold Mines (vespene extractors) = gold, for units. |
| 20:40.21 | Kazimir | clearcutting large portions of the map lets players shape their territory. |
| 20:42.06 | Kazimir | So yeah...trees are kind of a huge part of the map. |
| 20:42.17 | Kazimir | Hell, 1/4 of the map is a randomly generated forest. |
| 20:45.28 | TwoDie | kazimir optimize those numbers of trees to very few |
| 20:45.40 | TwoDie | or lag all day |
| 20:47.09 | Kazimir | Oh my god, every time someone joins a conversation about this map, this happens. The trees have no animations, no hit test, no sounds, and blown up to double size to save unit count. |
| 20:47.55 | Kazimir | I can't get it much lower. |
| 20:56.29 | Dustin|Work | I think Im going to work on a random tier system for my map after I get this csgo server sorted tonight |
| 20:59.51 | Zolden | TwoDie waht do you think about this https://groups.google.com/d/forum/zolden-games |
| 21:02.40 | TwoDie | wow trees or sc2 trees doesnt have may differnace in performance wise. |
| 21:02.51 | TwoDie | it has huge differance in the appearance of those |
| 21:03.24 | TwoDie | wow models are made to be viewed in first person view and they are very old |
| 21:03.32 | TwoDie | using them is huge mistake |
| 21:05.20 | Kazimir | Ok, could both of you (Zolden & TwoDie) explain your stance from a technical standpoint? You apparently don't agree on the impact of using WoW models. |
| 21:05.49 | TwoDie | WoW Tree models are shit vissually. |
| 21:05.52 | TwoDie | thats all |
| 21:06.11 | Kazimir | They are just about as shit as the SC2 ones when you remove all the fancy stuff from them. |
| 21:06.21 | TwoDie | some wow trees surely will take more performance than sc2 ones.. |
| 21:06.54 | TwoDie | zolden there is nothing to think about ur awesome games |
| 21:09.10 | Kazimir | I don't want to be rude, but your statements are so vague as to be unhelpful. Do you actually have any knowledge of performance impact of WoW models over SC2 ones, or are you just hedging with "some" and "surely"? |
| 21:09.29 | Kazimir | Again, trying to communicate, not insult. |
| 21:09.35 | TwoDie | kazimir some wow models are cost more performance than others.. you import them into editor, load cutscene editor and look for polygon, vertex count in statistics of model |
| 21:10.05 | TwoDie | there is huge variables.. |
| 21:10.58 | TwoDie | one group of models have less performance increase consumption other wow models take way too much |
| 21:11.04 | TwoDie | it all depends on the model |
| 21:11.08 | TwoDie | scenery |
| 21:11.17 | TwoDie | that it was designed for |
| 21:11.22 | TwoDie | as i said |
| 21:11.56 | TwoDie | if loading wow model into editor cutscene editor and viewing model stats, compare to sc2 models |
| 21:12.04 | TwoDie | with all those vertex counts |
| 21:12.27 | TwoDie | tho some issues may occur with the amount of textures loaded per model of wow.. |
| 21:12.40 | TwoDie | as wow models uses a lot of materials.. |
| 21:13.07 | TwoDie | tho not sure about there real issues may occur from the amount of image files assigned for the model |
| 21:13.55 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:14.09 | Zolden | Kazimir, what point should I defent with arguments? |
| 21:14.33 | Kazimir | No, he pretty much just covered it. |
| 21:14.59 | Zolden | TwoDie I mean waht do you think about using Google Groups service as a forum for games? |
| 21:15.22 | Zolden | Kazimir so, waht do you think now about using wow models? |
| 21:16.37 | TwoDie | zolden its like using google + for social life |
| 21:16.41 | Kazimir | I'll have to make no assumptions as to the performance of them, and check each individually vs the model they are replacing. |
| 21:17.02 | Zolden | TwoDie do you have alternative service ideas for forums? |
| 21:18.13 | TwoDie | forums? u need forums for what? |
| 21:18.34 | TwoDie | you can always use those shitty ones service that has every preset shiet |
| 21:19.11 | TwoDie | best forums are were people could just spam with shiet for u, with no need to register |
| 21:19.21 | Zolden | I need a link, that would lead to a place where all my games are gathrered. Main purpose to make my mines and magic players play my android games. Secondary purpose is to gather balance information about all games, mostly mnm. |
| 21:19.23 | TwoDie | but since that doesnt happen |
| 21:19.47 | Zolden | i guess they can spam shit for my with their google accs |
| 21:20.01 | Zolden | ok, i'll include that link in the map and see waht happens |
| 21:20.16 | TwoDie | you have to create twitter account, facebook, youtube, reddit, 4chain, google+, friendzone, yahoochat |
| 21:20.17 | Zolden | SOCIAL RELATIONS MOTHERFUCKERS |
| 21:20.38 | Zolden | yea ohuyeyu |
| 21:24.52 | Zolden | modern world is pretty interesting place to live |
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| 21:32.44 | TwoDie | https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/on-the-12th-day-of-codmas |
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| 21:37.21 | Zolden | Kazimir do you have any screenshots of your game? |
| 21:37.29 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 21:37.30 | Kazimir | I can make a few. |
| 21:37.38 | Zolden | snag.gy is a good place to ctrl+v them, btw |
| 21:37.51 | Kazimir | gimme a minute though, I'm in the middle of comparing vertexes for half a dozen trees. |
| 21:37.58 | JademusSreg | Better question: Do you have any moneyshots? |
| 21:38.01 | Kazimir | Agria tree is 165 |
| 21:38.15 | JademusSreg | Wanna see Zeratul's O-face. |
| 21:38.19 | JademusSreg | Errr. |
| 21:38.30 | Zolden | penis |
| 21:38.31 | zoldren | penis |
| 21:39.08 | JademusSreg | More accurately, his Ѿ face. |
| 21:39.16 | Kazimir | Huh, alterac valley trees only have 111 |
| 21:39.25 | Kazimir | and 1 less material |
| 21:39.41 | Kazimir | Found my new baseline tree. |
| 21:40.21 | JademusSreg | Extracted from the new content? |
| 21:40.31 | Zolden | Kazimir number of faces doesn't matter as much as the sahder used. If a shader has alpha cut and shadows cast/recieve properties enabled, it's a hell performance wise |
| 21:40.53 | Kazimir | I'll have to find out where that is, so I can check it. |
| 21:40.57 | Zolden | sc2 standard trees, i'm afraid, have that shit |
| 21:41.19 | JademusSreg | *sadder, shudder, shredder, saddam, satyr |
| 21:42.19 | Kazimir | http://snag.gy/nqwxA.jpg |
| 21:42.41 | Zolden | shader, shamer, flamer, flamethower, command and conquer, green crystals, meth, math, physics, light, light simulation, shader |
| 21:43.18 | Zolden | nice picture, where you stole it? |
| 21:43.21 | Kazimir | http://snag.gy/X4xc5.jpg |
| 21:44.02 | Zolden | lol, archers from my game :) |
| 21:44.08 | Kazimir | well, yeah. |
| 21:44.10 | Kazimir | They are yours. |
| 21:44.21 | Zolden | nope, Triceron's |
| 21:44.30 | Zolden | they have increased tits btw |
| 21:44.33 | Kazimir | lol |
| 21:44.45 | Kazimir | high priority patch right there. |
| 21:44.51 | Zolden | also, they are too dark, I had to increase HDR |
| 21:46.15 | Kazimir | So, what did you want these screenshots for? |
| 21:46.37 | Zolden | was just curious about aesthetics |
| 21:46.54 | Zolden | but everything looks rather standard |
| 21:46.58 | Kazimir | Eh, so far pretty basic. |
| 21:47.04 | Zolden | alright, go on |
| 21:47.42 | Kazimir | I'm aiming for full overhaul to Warcraft-esque. |
| 21:48.07 | Kazimir | but the aesthetic is fairly low priority compared to getting the game working. |
| 21:48.13 | TwoDie | yay my models used |
| 21:48.21 | TwoDie | and editions of wow mdoels |
| 21:49.39 | Kazimir | This actually gives me a chance to ask: Would you prefer to be attributed specifically, or for SC2Mapster's assets to be attributed as a group? |
| 21:50.20 | TwoDie | nananannannananna |
| 21:50.22 | TwoDie | batma |
| 21:50.24 | Kazimir | If I do it as a group, I'm going to put a 4-5 second SC2Mapster animated intro during the blackscreen preload. |
| 21:50.26 | TwoDie | BATMAN |
| 21:50.40 | Zolden | TWODMAN |
| 21:51.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:51.28 | TwoDie | if you mean it as credits thing |
| 21:51.44 | TwoDie | then puting somewhre in 10 clicks away is fine too |
| 21:52.59 | Kazimir | I do indeed mean credits. |
| 21:53.46 | TwoDie | its better to be credit somewhere than nowhere |
| 21:54.53 | Kazimir | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SVB-v0vj50Y |
| 21:55.25 | TwoDie | not even pew pew pew :/ |
| 21:55.44 | Kazimir | It's JUST long enough to keep the player occupied during the forest preload. |
| 21:57.45 | TwoDie | just have few frames of images fliping while loading |
| 21:57.55 | TwoDie | like sex poses and such |
| 21:57.59 | Kazimir | wat. |
| 21:58.02 | TwoDie | get exicited for the game |
| 22:09.39 | TwoDie | nigga |
| 22:09.43 | TwoDie | niga |
| 22:09.47 | Zolden | pigga |
| 22:34.08 | IskatuMesk | nigga |
| 22:34.13 | Kazimir | nigga? |
| 22:34.30 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 22:34.59 | Kazimir | Adding attributions to my map before I forget again. |
| 22:37.34 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 22:43.36 | Kazimir | Having some issues with the text resolution at the top left: |
| 22:43.36 | Kazimir | https://www.dropbox.com/s/91xb1xfg55xwf8m/sc2Mapster_Logo_by_Sc2Mod_libtheora.ogv?dl=0 |
| 22:44.09 | Kazimir | (This is from the site, converted to ogv and modified) |
| 22:56.44 | IskatuMesk | the hell is ogvc |
| 22:56.51 | IskatuMesk | since when does anyone use anything but mkv |
| 22:57.20 | IskatuMesk | looks like compression and aliasing issues |
| 22:57.36 | IskatuMesk | and compression is definitely butchering that badly.. |
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| 22:59.25 | Zolden | what are you talking about? you want to play a video inside your map? |
| 23:00.29 | IskatuMesk | no clue. back to csotn for me |
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| 23:09.34 | A1win | Zolden, what kind of storage/server services does google play support? like can we store user data and such |
| 23:10.46 | Zolden | A1win https://developers.google.com/games/services/ |
| 23:11.42 | A1win | ah, nice |
| 23:11.53 | A1win | more than I suspected but less than I hoped :P |
| 23:12.17 | Zolden | :) |
| 23:12.21 | A1win | no way to have "server side" functions and such? |
| 23:12.43 | A1win | just stored data and connecting clients to each other |
| 23:13.07 | A1win | so no way to prevent cheating without having your own servers where clients connect |
| 23:13.34 | Kazimir | Zolden, I was testing video playback inside the editor for an intro video with credits for people who helped with the map. |
| 23:13.52 | Kazimir | ogv appears to be the default compressed format for SC2 |
| 23:14.11 | Zolden | A1win can't stored data be used for some protection? |
| 23:14.29 | A1win | well, not enough that it'd be worth using |
| 23:14.44 | A1win | since the client could just hack their game and modify the data |
| 23:14.50 | Zolden | Kazimir worked? usually people using cutscenes as video, it's a good quality |
| 23:15.24 | A1win | but well, if someone spends the effort to crack a game of mine, good for them |
| 23:15.39 | Zolden | A1win I"m using a simple trick with saved data, so hacking a number will nullify it if the hacker doesn't have access to the code where the secret is placed |
| 23:16.16 | A1win | can't the hacker look at the binaries and place that data there himself? |
| 23:16.30 | A1win | (potentially) |
| 23:16.35 | Zolden | dunno, i don't know how hackers do their stuff |
| 23:16.39 | A1win | ;x |
| 23:16.54 | A1win | I mean if your "protection" happens client side, all of it is potentially exposed to the user |
| 23:16.57 | Zolden | also, if a hacker do something, it may not affect others, cause he's isolated within his phone |
| 23:17.20 | A1win | well they could modify their game and cheat score on a leaderboard |
| 23:17.25 | A1win | or cheat in a multiplayer game |
| 23:17.30 | Zolden | yea, theoretically he can do it by analysing those binaries, cause it's client side completely |
| 23:18.10 | A1win | mm I'm talking theoretically, just to see what my options are |
| 23:18.32 | A1win | if cheating is possible, it limits me to designs that don't care too much if someone cheats |
| 23:19.05 | Tomura | even the client-server model does not completely prevent cheating |
| 23:19.18 | A1win | yeah, I know ;p |
| 23:19.28 | A1win | would have to stream the entire game |
| 23:19.39 | Zolden | only quantum computers will protect stuff |
| 23:19.43 | A1win | and even then someone could use a screen capture system and make a bot or whatever :P |
| 23:19.59 | Tomura | some also manipulate the memory |
| 23:20.03 | Zolden | lol, streaming the game is sfun |
| 23:20.03 | Tomura | during runtime |
| 23:20.14 | Tomura | or use some sort of proxy where stuff goes through |
| 23:20.21 | A1win | mm |
| 23:20.48 | A1win | any idea how much people actually crack android games? |
| 23:20.55 | Tomura | dunno |
| 23:21.34 | Zolden | A1win there are multiple android developers forum, where stuff has been discussed thoroughly |
| 23:21.57 | A1win | yeah, too lazy to search right now ;x |
| 23:22.24 | Zolden | I think hackers rate is about 1 - 0.1%, successful hackers are bout 0.1 - 0.001% |
| 23:22.51 | Zolden | I can give you the links to the pretty popular forums I know |
| 23:23.07 | Zolden | http://www.androidpit.com/ |
| 23:23.15 | Zolden | http://forum.xda-developers.com/ |
| 23:23.19 | Zolden | http://androidforums.com/ |
| 23:23.33 | Zolden | also unity community u aware of |
| 23:23.57 | Zolden | there you can also do some showcase |
| 23:24.08 | Tomura | what kind of networking model is unity using anyways? |
| 23:24.38 | A1win | well, google play has its own networking API apparently |
| 23:24.43 | Zolden | dunno, never touched |
| 23:24.45 | A1win | unity has some modified version of raknet |
| 23:24.51 | A1win | which is pretty bad I've heard |
| 23:25.03 | A1win | but there are plugins, most cost money though |
| 23:25.41 | Zolden | i know that a guy made a perfect networking asset for unity, its cost about $80, so I'd just use that |
| 23:25.50 | A1win | http://critters.vaporedge.com/ |
| 23:25.53 | A1win | fun simulation game |
| 23:26.02 | A1win | made me want to make one for android |
| 23:26.17 | A1win | thinking a cyberpunk/cyberspace theme where you hire hackers to make profit |
| 23:26.33 | A1win | haven't thought about mechanics yet, though |
| 23:26.46 | A1win | will have to see if I can actually come up with something enjoyable :x |
| 23:26.47 | Zolden | lol |
| 23:26.50 | A1win | haven't made a simulation game before |
| 23:26.54 | Zolden | looks too textish |
| 23:27.03 | Zolden | i want colorful meshes |
| 23:27.18 | A1win | yeah I didn't mean I want to make something that looks like this |
| 23:27.38 | A1win | thinking of a 3D cyberspace "server hub" with streams of data flowing in and out and such |
| 23:30.48 | A1win | pictured cards for hackers and hardware/software etc. |
| 23:31.31 | Zolden | alright, let's see if the link from my sc2 map will boost google play downloads |
| 23:32.00 | A1win | :x is that even allowed? |
| 23:32.11 | A1win | or going "all in" before they notice? ;p |
| 23:32.19 | Zolden | A1win you could silently check if the game hacked, not block hack attempts, just note that they happen, and keep hackers in the separate game world |
| 23:32.34 | Zolden | or even in the faked multiplayer |
| 23:32.44 | A1win | well, if someone is hacking, they could notice that too |
| 23:32.50 | A1win | in the binaries |
| 23:33.05 | A1win | though if they don't know what they're looking for, they might not |
| 23:33.08 | Zolden | it's much harder to notice that program checking hacks, harder than if program trying to prevent them |
| 23:34.16 | A1win | or simply just not show them to other players on leaderboard |
| 23:34.45 | A1win | so they'll need to check someone else's account to notice that they've been detected |
| 23:35.41 | A1win | (talking about a strictly uninteractive game that just has a leaderboard) |
| 23:38.42 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:39.53 | A1win | that way the detection wouldn't even happen on that user's machine, they'd have to logically solve the entire detection system and obey its rules |
| 23:41.08 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:41.17 | A1win | err, except that'd require other users reading every user's data that is shown on the leaderboard |
| 23:44.20 | A1win | mmh, is there a way to get server time or such from google play? |
| 23:44.41 | A1win | so that timed stuff can be done while user is not in-game |
| 23:45.03 | A1win | (without using the user's system clock) |
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